#2007 - Adrienne Iapalucci

I know these chairs are kind of weird, but they're the fucking best chairs that I've ever found for sitting for long hours at a time. I like it. It's called a Capisco and is it Fully? What's the name of the company that makes them? They're the shit.

That makes sense.

These are the best.

I like it. The other one was just like so tall.

Yeah, there's some of these, it's weird because they're the same company or they're the same chair, but I think different people made them and some of them get real low. This one doesn't get very low. Hag is the main company, I guess. Oh, so they've changed like twice.

Yeah, a few people sell it.

That's the shit.

That's how it works.

No one's paying me to say that. They're the shit. What's up, Adrienne?

How you doing? Good to see you. Should I move this closer?

Yeah, right there. Good. You want some coffee?

I just had some coffee.

Last night was really fun.

It was really fun. The club's awesome.

Thank you very much. I'm really excited that we got to meet and I'm really excited that I got to see your standup. Ari Shafir has been singing your praises for so long.

He's the best.

What's funny? He loves you.

I know. When I first met him, I did not like him. I was like, this guy's a dick.

He's a little misunderstood. He can be a dick.

Well, yeah. Even when you text me, I was like, is this Ari playing a joke because he's always doing stuff like that to me?

Does he really?

Yeah.

That's because he loves you.

No, absolutely. I'm always skeptical if something's in his orbit. Right.

He is the guy that dosed Bert Kreischer at his house.

Yes.

Dosed him at his house when he was supposed to be hanging out with his family. He gave him Molly.

At least he did it at his house, in a safe environment, I guess.

I think Bert had the fucking time of his life, he just doesn't want to admit it.

I could see that.

I think, ultimately, it was a really bad thing that Ari did that, but I bet he had a good time.

I'm sure. I mean, yeah, I think it's probably not great for their friendship.

It was terrible for their friendship. The wife was furious at him, and rightly so, rightly so.

Ari does stuff where you're like, hey, that's not cool. Do you know what he did to me?

Oh, my God. What a psycho.

Yeah, I was like, what if I still cared about this guy like that?

What if you just started sending pussy pictures?

Oh, my God. Yeah. I was like, it's on.

Come over. What if it was like, it's on, and you started sending the wildest shit that you have on your hard drive?

Oh, my God. That would be terrible.

I know, and then Ari has it, and then he texts it to you later?

I think that he got in his email and then left. That's the thing. I've had my phone open by him, and he'll write, I love Blackhawk on Twitter. He just does that.

Could you imagine being your ex-fiance and then seeing a response to you in his email?

Yeah.

And then he's reading that and going, what the fuck did I do? Right. He thinks, oh, my God, was I on drugs? Did I black out? I don't remember writing this.

I think at this point, anything that goes crazy, I think, is Ari. So, I think he would also just be like, who is in my office?

Well, that's the benefit of having someone like Ari. You have plausible deniability on tap.

You're just like-.

Fucking Ari. It's Ari. Ari did it. He's such a psycho.

It's Ari. God damn it. Damn it, Ari. He comes across sometimes as a dick because he's probably autistic, but he is a good guy.

He's a great guy. He is. I love that dude, but I don't think he's autistic. I think he just had a hard childhood.

Yeah, but I don't think he... He'll say stuff where you're like, Ari, this is really inappropriate.

He does. He does.

So, that's the only thing where I'm like, he might be on the spectrum. You don't think even the tail end, the beginning?

I think he's such a comedian that he has a really hard time interacting with regular people. Maybe. I think he's so used to the fun of chaos. Ari shit in a Tupperware container and brought it to Skank Fest.

Yeah.

And then opened it up on stage in a crowded room, where people were gagging and throwing up. It was Legion of Skanks, right? It wasn't Skank. Was it Skank Fest? Whatever it was.

Sure, but that's still not as bad as some of the stuff he says.

But that's his level of acceptable behavior. To him, that was a thing that you should do. Right. Right? So, all this other stuff is just funsies.

That's true.

It's just funsies.

When I was on the road with him one time, he took out one of his bloody ass tampons. And he was showing me, I go, don't touch me with that. And he goes, okay. If you ask him not to do something, he will respect that. But if you don't, it's game on.

It might be game on. Yeah.

He'll do whatever. But if you're like, hey, please don't do that. He's like, all right, I'll respect that, because you said that.

I met Ari when he was a door guy at the comedy store. We became friends when he was just really just starting out. I don't think he'd been doing comedy more than a year.

What did you think of him as a new comic?

He was funny. I knew he was really smart.

Yeah.

And he was just fun to be around. He was a fun kid. He was like, you know, I knew after a while what was going on. But he is like recently, divorced from religion. Right.

I wonder what he was like. He was great. No, no, no. Before, when he was like religious.

What a mind fuck to do to a kid. It's such a mind fuck. Because you're saying you absolutely know that this is how everything went down. Right. And there's no way that could be real.

Yeah. I mean, I went to Catholic school my whole life and I just never believed any of that stuff.

I believed in it. Until I was six.

Yeah.

In first grade. Okay, six. I had one teacher, Sister Mary Josephine. She was such a cunt.

I bet.

She was so mean. She was so mean that I knew as a little boy, there's no way this could be connected to God.

No. They're so mean.

I was like, this is an evil lady who would threaten you. If you didn't do something, you were going to have to sleep on a nail in the closet. You'd have to stay home. You're never going to get to see your parents again. She would yell stuff like that.

Can you imagine that existing today?

Oh my God. It probably does. It probably does in some very unusual religious circumstances.

Well, I was in elementary school. It was like some teachers, and then it was some nuns and some priests. So it was a mix.

Yeah. So my sister got lucky. She loved her teacher. My teacher. She taught me everything I needed to know.

About religion?

I was like, there's no way. What, not about the religion, just a possibility that someone like that exists.

Yeah.

Because everyone was nice to me. I was five, six years old, whatever I was. My parents were nice to me. My grandparents were nice to me. Everyone was nice to me.

Yeah.

It was weird because it was like a really good thing. It was like a really good thing because when I was like five years old, my parents were breaking up and I was like, you know, when you're young and you're insecure, you're like, oh my God, like there's no stability in the world. And I started thinking about God and I started like really getting into God. It's like a five year old. It's crazy.

But it makes sense.

Yeah. You're looking for someone to look after you. Someone who makes sense of this. Sure. Because if, like the parents in your life, if the chaos in your life, you're like, there's gotta be something, maybe it's God.

Yeah. We had a priest, maybe Father Joe, I don't know. He came in, we were about seventh grade and people were talking about like if their dogs die and they go to heaven. And he was like, they don't. And we went ballistic.

Oh, my God.

We were just like so angry and mad. Like he had to leave the room.

First of all, bitch, how do you know?

They don't know anything. But I'm just saying, it's like, just be like, yeah, of course.

Yeah. Yeah. Why wouldn't you say that?

No. He never even was like, well, maybe. He was like, no, they do not go to heaven.

Because then you'd be trapped with this. animals have souls too, thing. Then you can never eat meat again.

Right. So it's like just say that. Does cows go to heaven? Yeah. They all go to heaven.

Imagine if you had to go to heaven and confront every chicken you ever ate.

I mean, I would just probably ignore them. Like you do on like trolls on the internet. You're just like, all right, I get it. You're mad. I said something that pissed you off.

In the next dimension, if reality was flopped and everything that you ate gets to eat you.

I mean, I think you're just like, this is my fate. Like. what am I going to do?

It would suck.

It would, but you'd be dead so quick.

It really is crazy. If you think about, like your whole life from the time you're a baby to now. How many animals have you eaten?

Probably a lot. And the thing is, I like, I don't feel bad eating the ugly animals. Like chickens, are not particularly cute, but like cows, are so cute.

They can be very cute.

So are pigs.

Yeah. Pigs can be really cute.

So that's the one thing where you're like, oh, I love all these videos on Instagram, but I'm still going to eat steak.

Isn't it interesting that wild pigs aren't cute at all?

No.

They're not even a little cute. They're ferocious looking.

Yeah. So those are the ones that you want to eat. The ugly ones.

Yeah. My agent said the same thing to me.

To eat the ugly ones?

Yeah. She's just like, I don't mind if you hunt, but you should hunt pigs because they're ugly.

Not the babies. The babies are so cute.

They are. But yeah, even wild pig babies are cute. Isn't that interesting? Like what's that? like evolution?

Sure. Like lions, don't care about hunting something.

But what do you, is that for us? It must be for us.

It's just for us.

Because it's the only thing it works on.

Yeah. I think it's just for us.

Like think about it like a little wolf puppy. They're so adorable. So adorable. And it's adorable to us.

Oh yeah. Those things are gross.

Disgusting. So it's adorable to us, little wolf puppy.

Yeah.

So that we don't kill it, so we can grow up to be able to kill us.

Yeah. It's a trick. I think that we, just like, are reasoning and thinking about it. But, like there's people, that would probably kill it still.

Oh yeah. For sure. But it's a trick. But it's an interesting one. Because it really, I think it only works on us.

No. But they do love their like offspring. Sure. But all animals do. All animals do.

But for us, when we see other things, babies. Yes. We think they're cute.

Yes.

Like we go, oh my God. We want to protect it.

Otters are really cute.

Puppies. Puppies are the most adorable thing of all time. They are. Look at those little guys.

They are cute. Hey. Hey, little wolf puppy. But I also realize that they would kill me.

They're so different than dogs. It's so interesting. They're so different than dogs. And they look kind of like dogs until you get them around dogs.

Yeah. I mean, they're cute, but they're not as cute as like a husky.

I was at a dog park once when a guy brought in a wolf.

Are they legal?

Yeah. You can have a wolf.

In a dog park?

Yeah. You can have like a seven, eighth timber wolf as a pet. Yeah. I had a friend who had a couple of them. And one of them even got out and killed a bunch of sheep.

Yeah. I don't think you should have them as pets.

So I'm at the dog park. And this fucking dude comes in with a wolf. And it was the wildest thing. Where every dog was like, What the fuck? Do you know what that is?

That's like their Jesus.

In his presence. Well, that's their monster.

Yeah.

Wolves eat dogs.

Was your dog there? Yes. Did you take your dog out?

Oh, I got the right, the fuck out of there. Yeah.

So I live in the Bronx and there's always like, people have pit bulls and dogs. And like some of them are really nice. And some of them they just walk off the leash. So this one day I had a boxer and this pit bull got loose. I was with my ex-boyfriend at the time.

He jumped on the car to get away from the dog? Yes. And left your puppy?

Yes. But I think that's also maybe culturally. Like he was black and I think like that's a whole thing where he's just not raised the same with dogs and stuff. I don't know. He just jumped on the car and I just held my dog.

Oh, my God. Did you see that? Someone did that to someone.

Welcome back.

In Manhattan. What? In Central Park. Someone stabbed, two dogs got in a fight and the guy stabbed someone else's dog.

I mean, was he killing the dog?

I don't know. I think his dog bit the other dog was what the woman who's, I don't know the details. I probably shouldn't say it. So it's new details. And shocking, deadly stabbing of a dog in Central Park.

Fuck that guy. I hate seeing dogs off the leash.

One of his dogs tried to bite my little dog and he tried to tell me that it's okay and I tried to talk sense into him, Brian told News 4.. He and the man started to argue as his dogs attacked Ellie. I kicked one of the dogs off my dog at one point, Brian said, but then he took out a knife and started carving and my dog growled, he stuck him and I was helpless. at that time. Brian said he took a photo of the man as he walked away below.

His dog bit the dog. That guy would be fucking dead. That's why I can't have a gun. because there's so many people I would kill.

I don't know if those are pit bulls.

They look like American bulldogs. No, American bulldogs are.

actually larger than pit bulls. American bulldogs are big. Those look more like, they do make these little bullies. You ever seen those bullies?

That's what my mom's dog is. It's like low to the ground, but like that, it's jacked.

I think those aren't like, the really scary pit bulls, believe it or not, are not the ones that look like the scary pit bulls, I mean those are scary too, but the really scary ones are the smaller ones, because those are the ones that are really raised for dog fighting. Brian Cowling got one of those once. He had one as a pet. It was a real problem and it looked like a regular dog. It looked like a regular dog.

That's what my mom has.

Those little things, they're weird fucking breeding choices that people have made to make these little tiny pit bulls, but I don't think those are aggressive.

Because another dog got loose and attacked her, so she's scared now of everything. That would drive me nuts. if I was that guy. I would do terrible things to his dogs.

It's to him. The dogs are just being dogs.

I know, but put them on a leash. That's the problem.

I know what you're saying.

Oh yeah, if you could kill him, then do it.

That's the thing about taking dogs in public, you never know.

I thought you were talking about this video.

Oh, this was horrible. Yeah, that was horrible. Yeah, the guy didn't have control of his dogs and they were attacking this woman.

That's why your dogs need to be on a leash. You're not in the mountains. There's a guy that used to have three German Shepherds who walked them all off the leash in the Bronx.

Right, but why is that dog attacking people? Why is that dog just attacking a lady? for no reason? Maybe they're trained? Yeah, what is going on?

Or if you rescue them and you don't know where they're from?

God damn it, that's scary.

That's very scary.

That's terrifying shit. Such a fucked up way to go.

Also, that's so weird that that guy came into the park with a wolf. It's like, what are you doing?

It was a long time ago.

Those dogs should be out in the wild.

Yeah, and this guy had them in a yard.

It's kind of crazy. That's not where they should be. These dogs are wild. They should be out.

It's also kind of crazy to fix them.

I bet they're still pretty aggressive.

They're not the same. They're definitely not the same. I get it that you don't want them to have puppies, but you should just be in control of your dog.

And have them in the park with other dogs that have no fighting chance against it if it goes nuts.

Well, that case, that guy had it supposedly as a pet. I just think people get pets. sometimes. It's like you don't have to really know what you're doing to get a German Shepherd. You can get a police dog, German Shepherd, like a really aggressive, very smart thinking, almost like a predator of people.

I think in Manhattan had an alligator. You get these little animals where they're cute and then it gets to be humongous and you're like, this is a real problem.

I think a dude in the Bronx had a tiger.

Sure. I see that happening. In his fucking house.

This guy had a tiger at his house. Yeah, people are nuts.

Imagine telling a girl at a club you have a baby tiger. Even if you don't want to fuck this guy, you're like, I do want to see this baby tiger.

Where was this? This is his alligator, found in New York City Lake. Oh my God. In Brooklyn. So what do you think happened there?

It was probably a pet and it got too big, and somebody was like, I don't know what to do with this, and he put it in this park in the water.

That's the story of Florida.

Foxes, pumas,

everything.

Maybe that's what you need to be hunting them.

Yeah, well, they are doing that. What's crazy is in California, python skin is illegal.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah, there we go.

A $425 cut tiger.

living in a Harlem apartment. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah, that's part of the story. I mean, imagine showing up to that and you're like, I'm out of here.

Oh, my God.

I'm not getting paid enough for this.

I think they're the most beautiful animals.

They're beautiful. But like, what are you doing in a tiny studio apartment with a tiger?

It's an insane person. It's like some dude who met some dude who knows a guy who can get you a tiger.

Of course.

Do you know there's more tigers in Texas in private collections than there are in all of the wild of the world?

Are they just like in their private backyards and stuff? Tiger world. I mean, when they attack people, I'm like, yeah, I get it. You're caging this animal that should be in the wild.

Yeah. Texas is very strange when it comes to wildlife. You can kind of own anything.

This is like-.

Get you a zebra.

Just fucking nuts. here. Anything goes.

Get you a zebra, Adrian.

I want a baby zebra. Not when it gets big. Once it gets big, I'm going to put it in that lake with that alligator. I don't care. Fend for yourself.

Yeah, there's apparently like a couple thousand more tigers in Texas than there are in the wild.

Did you ever watch Tiger King? Oh, yeah. I mean, just like such trash. It's so great.

Not so secretly hoping that Trump would pardon him.

Yeah. Do you like- This guy has, like, probably a third level education. Well- He's just trying to make money.

Talk those straight guys into fucking him. Show respect.

Yeah, but I feel like rich people can get away with that. It's like why women- Right. Hot women fuck ugly dudes that are rich. You're like, well, hopefully they'll buy me something. You think that works with guys?

I guess with some guys. But everything- It's like what works on everybody, you know? Because, like some things don't work on some people, but they work on other people.

I think money always works on everyone.

Sure, but like some people, are really dumb. Like some people, you can get them with a pretty simple cult.

Oh, yeah.

Not even that good, you know?

Did you just post on Craigslist that you're starting a new religion? Yeah. I've thought about doing it and seeing who would show up.

People would show up.

I know, it would be crazy. Loyalists.

I was the first. I was with Adrienne when she became awoken.

In the beginning. That'd be so crazy.

You could start a cult. 100% you could start a cult.

I would do that and then just start a landscaping business, and that would be what I'd tell that my religion is. Just cleaning people's yards and stuff. Oh my God.

It's just such a weird thing, cults. Because there's, it seems to be like a natural pattern of behavior that people have where they're willing to believe fucking total nonsense, as long as everybody in the group believes total nonsense.

Sure. It's also wanting to like belong to something. Yep. You know, especially if you feel like an outcast. Yeah.

And there's some that are good at it. Like Scientology's good at it.

I think at the root of every cult there is a guy that wants to fuck everyone. So, like that's Generally. Generally. Most of those cults start out where, like you, have to fuck me, and that's how you get like to this higher level.

or... Or the Heaven's Gate guy. You have to cut your balls off.

Remember that guy? I do, but I don't remember cutting your balls off.

Everybody had to castrate themselves.

Was he castrated? also? I think he was.

He might have done it to himself and got people to do it. It was. um, it was a weird one. They all wore the same Nikes and they all.

killed themselves.

because, like they thought that the spaceship was coming to take them, they had to kill themselves.

What's crazy is. I watched that documentary and I was bored by it.

Well, it was. it's weird, right? Because it's like. it's so dumb. You're like who's buying into this?

I just remember watching it and being very bored by it. I was bored by this guy that started a cult and got everyone to kill themselves.

I loved Wild Wild Country. Did you see that one?

Yes. Is that the one where they're going through a drive-thru?

That's the one where the Indian guru. he set up shop in this town in Oregon. They took over the whole town.

Oh, yes.

Yeah. And they started busting in homeless people so they could vote out everybody.

That's a good angle.

It was amazing. But then it was really sad, because those homeless people had a sense of purpose for the first time in their life. And some of them were like I'm fucking all in. These are my people. And they were fucking doing hard work and they were really like they felt.

UFO cult apparently.

Well, let me hear him talk. A while ago.

when I said that the big surprise could come that spacecrafts could come in by the thousands, maybe come in ships.

In March 1997..

That music. I'm out.

It's so creepy. Well, that's editorialized. Right? That's someone else, like putting something. But this is part of some history channel thing, I think.

Did you hear about the sanctum cult stuff today with Hunter Biden?

What is that?

I'm obsessed with Hunter Biden.

The story I saw was that the leader of this LA sex club that cost $75,000 a year was kicked out of the club because he shared that Hunter Biden was once a member. And all he shared was like a social media post. that said I kicked him out because he was weird. But then they kicked him out of the club because, like you're not allowed to talk about the club. The fight club.

Fight club. I fucked up. I had a chance to get Hunter Biden on the podcast.

in the very beginning. I think you can. I can't. Wait for him to get back on crack.

I can get him back on crack.

Do it. That's when you get him back.

Yeah, I'll try it for the first time.

Well, I hear my friend did crack and he's like it's amazing.

Well, it's cocaine. It's freebasing cocaine. Dr. Carl Hart, who's a brilliant guy, who's a legitimate academic but also is a drug user, and he's like. there's no difference.

I can see that. Yeah.

It's like the real thing. that's different is the policy, because it's the most racist policy in the history.

of the drug war.

They're like if you get busted with cocaine, it's one thing. If you get busted with crack, you get a crazy sentence.

Yes.

Like way, way, way more.

It's just racist.

Well, it's not just racist. It's like when you really go into the origins of, you're aware of the freeway Rick Ross story?

No.

Rick Ross, not the rapper, but the real. Rick Ross was a drug dealer in south central LA.

and he couldn't.

even read and he was making millions and millions of dollars. He was like a star tennis player and figured out how to make money doing it. Just a smart, smooth dude who knew how to move cocaine, but he didn't know he was moving it for the CIA.

Oh.

He didn't know he was moving it to fund the Contras vs. the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

Interesting.

So this is a whole Oliver North thing. So they lock him up. He learns how to read in jail and becomes a lawyer and then realizes they got him on. you know, three strikes. but it can't be three strikes in one crime.

Right.

So he got out.

That's crazy.

Crazy.

But like look what they did for him. He learned to read. He became a lawyer. Do you know what I mean? Like, what a fucking great story that is.

He was an awesome guy too, and that, but that's where crack was coming from. I mean it was our own fucking government.

Oh yeah.

It was. it was rogue. I should be real clear about this. Probably rogue outlaw entities in our own government. It's not like our government approves that.

Didn't Reagan like put crack into the community pretty much?

Reagan did it himself. He went in the middle of the night like Santa Claus.

No way.

Look at the amount of money that people make on just drugs that everyone agrees that, listen, I don't take Adderall, but I 100% support your right to take Adderall. Sure. I hear it's awesome. And people who take it they can't shut the fuck up about it.

Yeah, it's like me and my friend used to take Snacker too. I think it's the same thing. We would like do everything in the office. Everyone would love when we took it.

But guess what, kids? That's a drug. Yeah. That's a drug. Absolutely.

I mean doctors prescribe so much stuff.

Tell the doctors to sell coke.

Why not?

Oh, my god really?

Yeah, because I wanted it to fly. he's like I'm not doing it. He's like they're really cracking down right now, so you can't have any.

Well, the thing about benzodiazepine is it's very difficult to kick. Very difficult physiologically. It's one of the only drugs like alcohol that'll kill you if you just go cold turkey sometimes. Yeah. Some people just get wrecked by that stuff.

Well, my friend that was doing crack was also doing Xanax. so and he was like his doctor just made him go, I guess cold turkey. but he had been doing so much that when he stopped he went ballistic. Oh my god. Yeah.

It's supposed to be horrible.

It is horrible.

Horrible with withdrawals, especially when people go crazy and they're eating it all day long.

Oh yeah, he was taking it all day.

I had a buddy that was a comic and was like just having anxiety attacks. Just couldn't fucking control it and start taking Xanax, and it all went away. And then, all of a sudden it was fun again. It was weird.

It was like. Anxiety is terrible.

It was terrible. And I know it was. His health deteriorated after. He was drinking while he was doing it, which you're not supposed to do, which a lot of people do do. Sure.

Yeah. I've taken Xanax. if I went to Australia and I took it and I slept most of the flight. Yeah. It just knocked you out.

I would imagine it's a good move for a 16 hour flight. But is the come down bad.

You're exhausted. You're like so tired the rest of that day. You're like you're done. There's nothing you could do. That's why I would only take it if I like was flying.

Right. Yeah. I would. That would make me think that if you took it before you went on stage, that wouldn't be good either.

No, it's like a real downer.

I think he was doing that, though.

I'm amazed why people like like do so much drugs and drink and go on stage.

Well. I wonder, though, like how it's interacting with whatever individual's level of anxiety. Right. Like, we all assume that people have the same anxiety. But my level of anxiety differs throughout the day.

Yeah.

So. I don't have a lot of anxiety, but if someone had a lot of anxiety like like we, I don't even know what that feels like. Like. if Xanax is the only thing that takes them out of that, like, give them some fucking Xanax.

It's just for me. it makes me like a zombie. That's why I really can't take it.

I just wish there was something that had that sort of an effect, but wasn't like so ferociously addictive. I mean. Probably mushrooms.

I don't know. I bet that. I'm scared to do any of those drugs.

Microdosing. Scared. Why.

I don't know. I reacted so badly. When I was. I did an edible when I was at Moon Tower, like last year. And I never done it before and I was like the worst experience.

How many milligrams.

I don't remember. It was like in a bag that they gave you and my friend was like this is she was like? no, it was like from a company, though. She was like. this is very weak.

People never age in.

that movie. He's like, I guess he sees like a little girl and he has this roommate, the Russell Crowe. Oh, the Russell Crowe. Yeah. So.

Well, that's a big dose. it sounds like, I think, someone. the problem with those edibles I used to have a bit about is that they're not consistent. They're not making the same place. they make Tylenol.

Sure.

How many people have to fucking die before you realize you're not going to stop people from doing coke with the Just Say No campaign. So what are you going to do. Why don't you let reputable companies sell that and sell pure versions of it and tell them what the fucking dose is? it's going to kill you. Let people know what's going on and then make it so that you have to be 21 years old when you're going to buy it and educate people like we're going to open up the country to legal drug sales, because if you don't, all you're doing is arming the outlaws.

that's unregulated.

and that's, and it's right south across our border. The Mexican cartels are fucking killing it. and they're not killing it because Just Say No, worked. They're killing it because we don't have legal drugs. So they sell illegal drugs.

Remember that professor that was doing heroin recreationally?

Dr. Carl Hart. I love that dude. He's been on the podcast a few times. Yeah.

I just feel like once I did that I'd be like well, let's do this like a good idea tomorrow. Like I don't know that I would stop. That's a problem with addiction. Like it's just like that guy can do it, but like.

Right.

that sounds awful.

Sounds like it sucks to have a cold for a few days, but then you're not addicted to heroin anymore.

But then if you just keep doing heroin, you just keep feeling better.

Well also you got to realize like sick. for like, what does sick mean. Like if you're sick and you've been doing heroin a lot and so you're malnourished and your immune system is dead, and you know you're, you're very little sleep and you're just all fucked up and poor, and then you get withdrawals and you get really sick. that could fucking kill you, depending upon your health.

Depending on how healthy of a heroin person you are. Yeah. Like, I wonder if he calls in sick and everyone's like he's doing heroin.

People do heroin recreationally and they have for a long time. There was this buddy of mine who was a longshoreman in Boston and he worked with this guy, who would buy a bag of heroin at lunch every day and he would go in his truck and he would shoot up.

That seems like a lot of heroin.

Well, I mean I don't know how much you know he did at a time, but he, this guy, was functional. He said he would go in his car, he would shoot up. Everybody knew what he was doing. He would go in his car and shoot up and he would sit in his car for his hour lunch break and then go back to work. No problems.

Insane.

Insane.

I mean with Xanax, I want to fall asleep.

It's. it's a weird thing that I met a guy who was a pool player once. He was a, like a very prominent, like top level pool player where he'd gamble for a lot of money. And we're at a pool hall in White Plains, New York. This guy they call him Buffalo Bill was one of his nicknames.

That's not legal.

He has no nerves. There's no nerves. He's not feeling any pressure at all. He's just playing perfect. And everybody watches like, holy shit.

I did. Not that it shouldn't have been legal, but I'm saying, if you're opposed, if you're playing him and you're like against him, I'd be like, he can't do heroin. That just enhances his performance.

You're talking about pool. in the pool world. Everybody does drugs. Really? There's a lot.

Yeah. I don't know about the.

Amphetamines were like the choice pill for people. when they gambled like 20 hours in a row. They would just take amphetamines and keep gambling.

I just think like I would be scared to do that. Addiction is so rampant in my family. Like my biological father was a drug user. My uncle was a hell's angel. He was on drugs and stuff.

Yeah, I hear you. I don't know if drug addiction is. I think some of it's got to be physical. Some of it's got to be genetic. It's got to be.

Definitely.

It becomes like learned behavior. It's, you know, release. at the end of the day. Give me a fucking beer. Yeah.

Driving drunk. Oh, yeah. Just like losing your family. Fights. Like there's so many, yeah.

Yeah, all that. All that. I mean, how many lives have been lost to drugs that you could buy legally? Like booze. Sure.

Yeah, of course.

I like it. I like a little drink every now and then. I don't think it's like, but the idea that we're protecting people by keeping some drugs illegal, I just, I think what we're doing is we're making a nanny state that we can't get out of. And we've gotten ourselves into this box, this nanny state box.

Maybe down the line. it will be legal. Who knows?

It's going to be. Because it's legal now in certain states.

So where do you get it from?

Yeah, that's a good point. You know, I don't know if they're specific about that. And I don't know if there's like legal distributions. I know they have legal marijuana. Right.

I don't know. Don't you feel like a lot of people are doing coke? Like on both sides?

I think so. I mean, I know. so. I know. a lot of people are doing coke.

So it's like, I don't know. I feel like both sides do everything.

Yeah. But I think psychedelics more like, well, not anymore. I used to say psychedelics more likely to be tried by the left. But God damn, there's a lot of soldiers that have had great benefit with psychedelics. And they've shared those experiences with a lot of other soldiers.

But even something like gambling that's legal could still ruin your life.

Yeah, it can. Yeah. And I support it.

Yeah, my dad was a gambler. Let's go. We had nothing.

God, isn't that crazy?

Oh, yeah. It's crazy. My dad was like just emotionally unavailable.

Just always wanted to gamble?

Always wanted to gamble. We used to go to the OTB as kids. We went there so often, the lady behind the thing had my school picture up. That's how often we went there. Oh my God.

It gets anybody.

No, I know.

It can get anybody. Did you see Uncut Gems?

No. It's fucking amazing. Is it?

Yeah, it's Adam Sandler plays, a gambling addict.

Oh, I'll watch it.

And you will get such anxiety while you're watching. You'll be like, oh Jesus, fucking Christ. What are you doing? What are you doing? It's so good.

Is he like a rich gambler in it?