#2025 - Dave Smith

Wild. But not unexpected.

he kind of flirted with a mutiny against Vladimir Putin, and then they kind of came to an agreement, and he leaves, you're like, I don't think that guy has very long to live. Vladimir Putin doesn't seem to me to be the type of guy you can try to overthrow and then go, My bad. I think we're cool.

At first, they were spinning it like he was pissed off about the war, but that never really seemed to make sense to me. I think some type of power struggle, and he kind of went for it in a pretty major way, started destroying equipment and moving his forces toward Moscow, and then they reached some agreement and they backed off.

And now a plane went down, so we'll see.

Because what you hear from people that are the true believers in the leftist movement is that Ukraine is winning and that Russia is doomed. We must support Ukraine. And then what you hear from realists, particularly people that have been on the ground, like, it's a slaughter fest. It's horrific. And the ratio of Ukrainian dead to Russian dead is extremely imbalanced.

It's usually not till after the fact. And they do the, like, excess mortality numbers. And then you kind of figure out, like, how many people actually died here. But it does seem, I think, there's no question that Ukraine is doing better than would have been expected. Like, say, in the year 2010,.

if you had said, OK, Russia is going to invade Ukraine, most people thought they would have folded in a couple of weeks and it would have been over. Ukraine has at least put up a fight to this point. And I think that that is because of the fact that, number one, NATO was training the Ukrainian military for years, ever since 2014,, ever since Yanukovych government was overthrown. And, number two, that we've poured an unlimited amount of resources into the war effort. But then that kind of leads to the question of, like, wait, so, but if Russia still wins at the end of this, which it looks like they're going to, short of, like, U.S.

intervention, direct intervention, then what did we accomplish here other than just getting way more people slaughtered and drawing the war out way longer to kind of sacrifice Ukraine in an effort to hurt Russia? And it's crazy that the same people who support this war supported claiming that they really care about the Ukrainians. But, like, if you really cared about them, why would your move be to prolong the conflict and let more of them die? It seems so horrible.

And regardless of, and you're not even looking at the, like, objective data to try to figure out, like, what happened here? How did this get started? I've never heard anyone other than you and a few other people online even discuss the 2014 coup. Yeah.

Right. There's Senator Chris Murphy. He was one of the guys who was very involved in it. And he, like, he went to Ukraine several times during the, when the revolution was first starting. And, but he was kind of the young guy.

Like, it was him and John McCain and Victoria Nuland. and then Chris Murphy was kind of this younger senator. And he just said the quiet part out loud on a C-SPAN interview back then. where he just went, he goes, oh yeah, it was American policy that overthrew Yanukovych. That was our policy that led to him.

Without us, he wouldn't have been overthrown. And so, like, but now, like, they would admit it then. But now, when you talk about it, they're like, oh, no, no, no, that's not helpful to the narrative. So don't mention that we were involved in overthrowing a government that was more pro-Russian and putting in a government that was more pro-West. Because that, that complicates this thing.

It reminds me of, like, there were these, there were these pieces in the 90s where there was, like, mainstream media outlets covering the dynamic of al-Qaeda and terrorism in the Middle East. And they would just, like, bluntly just say, like, oh, they hate us because of our military presence in the Middle East. That's his grievance with us. Just like, you know, that's the news. That's why bin Laden hates us.

No one had, no one was going, they hate us because we're free. Because that just hadn't been said yet, you know. And that wasn't until after 9-11, but then after 9-11, it was, they hate us for our freedom. And now, if you were to make the point that they hate us for our foreign policy, it's like, well, where did you get that from? That's insane.

It's like, but you all admitted that just only a few years ago. You were openly talking about it. And so it's kind of like that. That narrative doesn't help serve the war party. So now that has to be kind of like in the dustbin of history.

That never happened. The conflict started in 2022 when Vladimir Putin invaded. He was totally unprovoked. There was no other reason. It's just that he's a madman.

He's a bad guy. We're a good guy. That's the conflict. That's like how, that's the tunnel vision. You're always supposed to think of war throw.

And that's rarely, if ever, the case. It's always more complicated than that. And then, as soon as you start saying, believe me, from the last two podcasts here, I've heard a lot of people, oh, you're spewing Russian propaganda. You're pro Putin. Because as soon as you start going, well, look, this guy had some legitimate grievances.

We did a lot to provoke him. And that all of a sudden means you're like on their side. Because you're no longer, we're good guys. He's bad guys. I'm like, no, actually, there's a lot of bad guys involved in this conflict.

He was very intimately involved. And this company Burisma, because Ukraine is a very corrupt country. They've always been, still are. This company was like very in bed with the Yanukovych government. And then Yanukovych's government's overthrown.

And there's a new government that comes in. And so they were kind of freaking out. Like, oh, we don't have the government that we're in bed with anymore. And so this was their move to kind of, instead of bribing the new Ukrainian government, they just went right to the source and bribed, you know, decided, oh, here, we'll put the vice president's son on our board. Give him a huge check.

And then that kind of like protects us against the threat, perhaps, of this new government cracking down on us. Because they're not going to want to piss off who the real puppet master is, which is D.C. Like, as always. Because, like, we're the world empire, you know. And that's the thing that's so crazy about the war in Ukraine is hearing all of these people in, like, the corporate press and the political class, talk about how Vladimir Putin's an imperialist.

And he's a war criminal. And you're like, you're just the biggest hypocrite in the history of the universe to be someone who supports the American regime and say, Vladimir Putin, how dare you invade a sovereign country? How dare you violate international law? You're killing innocent people, you know. I mean, to anyone outside of, like, the American bubble, it's just so absurd on its face.

You know, we just got done backing the Saudis in a war of genocide in Yemen for eight years. Now we're going to turn around and they're all humanitarians now for the poor people of Ukraine? Like, it doesn't pass the basic smell test.

And to have a sitting president. say that out loud, like, you know, hey, what am I going to do? He's just, like, kind of put it out there.

And you're like, but you're the commander in chief, dude. Like, you're supposed to be able to say no.

Because then, look, proof. He was a Russian spy. So they kind of boxed him in. I think they manipulated him. And they lied to him about a lot of the stuff.

I mean, there were articles written about how they had misled him, about the number of troops still remaining in Syria. When he tried to, he wanted to end that war several different times. I think that they, it seemed like they really convinced him that Assad had been gassing his own people. And that convinced Trump to bomb Syria a couple times. I don't know exactly what the conversations were like.

I do know that if he really wanted to be the guy who was ending all of the wars. And he wanted to be the guy who wasn't giving in to the military industrial complex. It makes no sense for him to have people like Lindsey Graham in his ear. It made no sense for him to make Mike Pompeo his secretary of state. It made no sense to have these guys like Mattis and all of the, like, he put the war party into all of these positions.

And then he's like, man, they're undermining me at every turn. And you're like, well, yeah, that's, you should have put better people in.

How much research do you need to do on each individual to find out where their ties are? And, like, how do you know who to put in what position?

Which they clearly are, and many have admitted at this point that they were. I'd be really interested to hear what he has to say about that.

And that's, it's one of these things, like, this is why, when the Trump supporters, who say that they stole the election, believe that the election machines were rigged or that there was ballot stuffing. It's like, even if they're not right about that, which I don't know, I mean, I've never seen compelling evidence that that is the case. But it's kind of like, I use the example of like, if you're like, if you're cheating on your wife, and then she's like, you know, like, you're cheating on her. And then she's like, I know. Friday, when you were out, I know you were cheating on me.

And you weren't that Friday cheating on her. Like, even though she's wrong, she's really right. Like, she might be wrong about that specific day, but she knows, she knows you're, like, they know this whole thing is illegitimate. Like, you stole it. And they really did.

They really did. I mean, they suppressed the October bombshell that would have very likely tipped the election in Trump's favor. And tried to make it seem again that Russia was, you know, stealing our elections, which another, you know, is another major factor in the whole Russia-Ukraine conflict. That, first of all, what an insane provocation of Russia it was for the last six years to have not just people in the corporate press, but, like, the head, the former head of the CIA. You know, like, on TV every day saying Russia attacked our democracy.

They interfered in our election. And were, and then also claiming that they were in a partnership with Donald Trump to steal it from Hillary Clinton. And I heard senators and congressmen and every media pundit, people from the FBI, the CIA, constantly saying on TV that this was an act of war by Russia. That Russia, they would say it's worse than Pearl Harbor, what they did. And so if you're, from the Russian perspective, you're sitting there and you see the most war-hungry country in the world.

The country that in the last 20 years has fought seven wars, you know, led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, destroyed nations. And they're out there saying you just committed an act of war against us. I mean, like, that's quite an aggressive posture, particularly when they all knew it was bullshit. They all knew from the very beginning. And so you had all of that, and then they tried to do it again in 2020, claimed this was a Russian operation, to, you know, interfere in the election.

And meanwhile, all of it was actually a U.S. intelligence agency's operation to interfere in the election, just from the other side.

It's all easily proven. And there's nothing.

And he gets to stand up there and say, hey, look, all of these intelligence officials, they tell them they're backing up my story, that this laptop is Russian disinformation. And I don't know exactly what it is now, but I remember there were. they had like opinion polls on this after the Mueller investigation. And it's still an enormously high percentage of Democratic voters believe that Trump and Russia were in. Trump and Putin were involved in a conspiracy to steal the election.

They still believe it to this day because they heard Trump, Russia collusion every day, nonstop. And that is a huge part of why they support this war in Ukraine, because they think we're fighting the country who overthrew our democracy and gave us Donald Trump for four years. It's all just complete bullshit. But they believe it.

I don't know. You know, I don't know. So I'll just you do it and let me know. You know, we do this all the time with everything. And so most people have busy lives.

They're working. They've got kids to take care of. They've got a family. If the guy in the suit on CNN says it, well, I'm kind of trusting him to be the expert here. And he knows.

And the problem is that, like the guy who fixed my water heater, I don't believe is a corrupt, lying piece of shit. But the people on CNN are. And that's the major problem here. It's like you, just you can't trust them.

Just look what they did to Tucker Carlson, who was the number one guy on television. And whatever feathers he ruffled, whatever people he pissed off, I don't believe he's openly discussed it yet, because he's probably got some sort of a lawsuit going on. They removed him because he was a problem. The way he was discussing things was a problem.

And you're the number one guy in podcasting. Like you guys, how are you guys viewed as controversial? But like CNN is talking to an audience of like 200000 people and letting you know, you know, people are very skeptical of these guys. And like, no, they're not. These are the.

these are the most popular figures. And it's because people can at least smell that you're not bullshitting them. the way these guys are. Right. And that was that was always.

one of the things that I really appreciated about Tucker was that he would break with the Republican Party and have a completely different view from them. He would break with everyone else on the network, which is like that's so unheard of today in MSNBC. If you look down the whole lineup at CNN, if you look down the whole lineup, you cannot point to one host who has a drastically different opinion on an issue that matters than the hour before them and the hour before that. Right. But if you look at, like, you know, the daytime at Fox News, where they were on the war in Ukraine versus where Tucker was, or where they were on lockdowns versus where Tucker was, is night and day difference.

They knew what they were doing. There's that clip, by the way, before any of this is, before Donald Trump ever took office. Do you ever see the Chuck Schumer Six Ways to Sunday?

there are these moments where kind of like these rare moments of honesty from the kind of leaders of the regime. Yeah. And this one comes because Rachel Maddow asks him like an impromptu thing. And she says that she leads that. So, but this is just so.

you know, this is Donald Trump has been elected, but he hasn't. he hasn't been. he's a president elect here. So it's after the election, but he's not president yet. So this was about him tweeting something here.

But he's, he's taking these shots, this antagonism, this taunting to the intelligence community. You take on the intelligence community. They have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you. So even for a practical, supposedly hard nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were?

I don't know. But I, from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them. So, and what happened right before? that is that Rachel Maddow goes, she goes, all right, I'm sorry to put you on the spot here. But Donald Trump just tweeted this thing about the intelligence community.

Any thoughts on that? So it's not like he was prepared for this. His the most powerful senator in America. His initial gut reaction was like, well, dude, you're taking on the intelligence. I mean, you want to go up against the CIA?

You think you're going to win that fight? Like they're going to get you. And this was already after they had already been. they were spying on his campaign. They had already kind of begun framing him for this whole, this whole Russia thing, which was always nonsense.

And that started with, you know, the Steele dossier and all that stuff. And then they were spying on Carter Page, who was like a pretty low level adviser in Donald Trump's campaign. And the allegation was that the Russians had offered him a huge stake in, like, one of their biggest energy companies. If he could get Donald Trump to remove all of the sanctions that we had at the time on Russia, which, on the face of it, made no sense because he's like a low level adviser on the campaign.

They all knew it was like that. And all of it, almost all of it, was ended up being disproven. So when they went to Carter, but just to understand, like the idea of trying to bribe a low level adviser on a campaign to then somehow take over the administration once he got, it'd be like on the level of if someone was like, we're going to bribe the door guy at the mothership to make sure that the Joe Rogan experience only talks about these subjects. And you're like, I mean, even though there's a loose connection between you and the guy who works at the mothership, the idea that he would ever then be able to come in and take over the show and control, it just made no sense. But we now know that the CIA told the FBI that Carter Page was a good guy, that he was a CIA informant.

So they told the FBI, they're like, no, no, no, he's not a spy. He's one of ours. So just lay off. And then the FBI lied about that on the FISA application. And this was the only guy who went down for the frame job.

was this one FBI lawyer for misrepresenting what the CIA said. But basically he, they said that he was approached by Russians and that he was approached by a group of Russians to see if he would turn and work for them. And the CIA were like, yes, he was. And he came right back to us and told us about it. And then, when they were putting in the application for the FISA warrant, the FBI said he was approached by these Russians and the CIA confirmed it.

So they said that the CIA confirmed that he was approached by these guys, but they left out the part that the CIA said, and he came right back to us and told us about it. So that one guy was the only guy who got charged.

He's never been charged with inciting an insurrection, because they know they can't get him on those charges. So what they're getting him on is all these like novel legal theories. Well, it's not very clear that he violated the statute, but if we interpret it this way, we could make the argument for the first time ever that this was actually a violation of law. It's all like they're grasping at straws. And it's very clearly like they've weaponized the legal system against this guy.

It's not a coincidence that all of these indictments are coming down right now. Like, why, why was the January 6th thing? Why would any of this be coming down right now? Right. All those other people?

in January 6th, they got charged and arrested immediately.

And she kind of glossed over that and was saying something in the lines of, don't you think that you saying that the government lied to us about 9-11 supports baseless conspiracy theories? You know, like supports the idea that the government orchestrated. When you want to put on the full tinfoil hat with the fucking chin strap, you say the government organized and designed 9-11.. There was bombs in the building. They knew it was all happening.

They detonated Tower 7.. Like, oh, you got to go full hat. And so she's trying to bring him into full conspiracy tinfoil hat. And he is going, no, that's not what I said. And he said something that's factual.

And she just sort of like pretended it didn't get said. I mean, that's a real fucking issue. They lied about whether or not Saudi Arabia was involved.

Continued, like, funding and doing business with the same government that had high-level people involved in the attack. And they knew it and suppressed that from the American people. because it would have been, you know, if you put yourself back in that time, it would have been such an outrage if Americans had known. And, in fact, one of the first things George W. Bush did immediately after 9-11, even when all the flights were grounded, was get high-level Saudis out of the country, fly them out of the country.

And this is all factual. Like, this happened. It's not disputed.

The left narrative is anybody who questions 9-11 is a nutter. And you're a nutter. And you're trying to run for president. And he does a very good job of. she repeats the question, he repeats the answer.

She repeats the question, he repeats the answer. And she's trying to catch him in this. And it's like, see if you can find that. So I'm looking it up. And what I'm seeing online is that the story has turned a little bit.

That The Atlantic has posted audio from the interview. Ah, he was asking for that audio. Yes, they released it. And it says The Atlantic did not put any words in his mouth. I'm trying to find the audio so we can play it, but it's behind a page.

So he was saying that they put words in his mouth? Yes. But then what I'm also seeing then in the Daily Beast article is that despite them releasing the audio, it says Ramaswamy's campaign somehow declared victory.

So I guess they're saying he said it, but his team is also saying it's still been taken out of context.

Because the things that – it's interesting.

We'll figure this out.

Why is it not giving you any volume? Well, it's not the interview yet. It's not? It's just her talking. Oh, I see.

Absolutely.

Terrorists – the kind of tactics used by terrorists. If we find that there are hundreds of our own in the ranks of the day that they were – I mean, look – Well, there's a difference between entrapment and a difference between a law enforcement agent identifying it. I think it is legitimate to say how many police –, how many federal agents were on the planes that hit the Twin Towers? Like, I think we want – maybe the answer is zero. Probably a zero, for all.

I know, right? I have no reason to think it was anything other than zero. But if we're doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9-11, we have a 9-11 commission, absolutely, that should be an answer. the public knows the answer to.

Okay. Vivek, did nothing wrong.

And he's saying if you're claiming this was an act of terrorism, just like that was an act of terrorism, then okay. Let's have a commission. Let's have a report. Let's know how many federal agents there were. And so far – by the way, it's crazy, they try to spin this.

I want to hear what she has to say about this.

Herself. He was, in fact, quoted accurately. In an email to CNN after that audio was published, his spokesperson said, The audio clearly demonstrates that Vivek was taken badly out of context, and even this small snippet proves that. We continue to encourage The Atlantic to release more of the recording rather than their carefully selected snippet, so that the full context and reality is exposed. I should note, that spokesperson did not explain how he was supposedly taken out of context.

The reality is that Vivek Ramaswamy is running to be president of the United States. He will be on that debate stage tomorrow night. And he says this is a central message to his campaign.

It's clearly out of context. Otherwise, they would have released the entire recording.

He said, like, it seems like entrapment. Like, that's kind of what it seems like, and we have a right to ask these questions. Yeah, Vivek's a very sharp guy. I had him on my podcast. He's a very impressive guy.

Very smart. And, look, he's just 100 percent right here.

Look, Ray, the FBI director, was asked, and one of the other top-level Justice Department people were both asked, when testifying before Congress, whether there were any federal agents or assets involved in January 6.. And they both said no comment. They both said we cannot talk about ongoing investigations. So the only time this was actually asked to high-level people, they didn't shoot us a no. They didn't say no, absolutely not.

wouldn't you want to have federal agents out there? Wouldn't that be a smart thing to do?

And I think Vivek is 1,000% right to, like, say we should be demanding the answers to this. That's all. Like, I think that's a completely reasonable take. And, you know, CNN, they do this thing where, as soon as you start, like, inquiring about these things, they try to smear you as, like, this is, you know, you're some type of conspiracy nut or something like that. And the funny thing about it is that, like, look, we all know that elites conspire.

And, you know, intelligence agencies conspire. And they've carried out tons of operations throughout the years. We know that. So why is it so unreasonable to question whether, like, what exactly, are they doing right now? It's not nothing.

You know what I mean?

And I believe it was in Dallas. Is that where it was from? Do you remember that story?

And it's going to blow up. And he does that. And then they arrest him. But you told him to do it. You got him to do it.

You talked him into doing it.

And he's like, no, I don't want to do anything like that. No, this is crazy. And then they keep pushing him and pushing him. And they finally get this guy. So they created the event to begin with.

There was no threat that this was going to happen until you guys, like, lured this really sad, in most cases not very bright guys into doing this thing and then arrest them.

The purpose of it was to kind of paint this picture of the anti-lockdowners as being these violent threat, and so that this would then hurt Donald Trump in his election campaign. So it's not just, like, that. they were just doing this. It's, like, they were doing this with a political, like, motivation. This is what's so, like, this is the thing that's so creepy and what so many people are waking up to.

Look, man, this is the reason why that North Richmond song blew up so big. Because so many people today, and it's kind of what's exciting about the current moment. It's also a little bit scary. But that so many people are just kind of waking up to how corrupt this whole thing is. And you're like, oh, it's all fake.

Do you remember the one we just mentioned, where Tucker Carlson said he had a source that had read all of the Kennedy files? This is when he said the CIA killed Kennedy. And he goes, and then we asked him point blank, was the CIA involved in the assassination of Jack Kennedy? And the guy's response was, he goes, yes, it's all fake. The country isn't what we thought it was.

And I remember just thinking that was, like, a powerful, like, just to say, it's all fake. I think more and more people are waking up to that. Like, these people on CNN all day, you know, they act so, like, they have this air of, like, moral superiority and concern about, well, listen, this could lead to dangerous conspiracy theories. This is dangerous for our democracy. What about these downtrodden people or whatever?

And then, meanwhile, you're like, but you guys have no interest in finding Epstein's client list, really? Like, how are you not talking about that? every day, man? Like, every day. Like, you're telling me, we found out that there was a ring of, like, a child rape ring, with the most powerful people all involved in it.

And you're not just demanding every day that we get to the bottom of this? And, in fact, we know that that one ABC reporter had the story suppressed. when she first broke the Epstein story, right? She was on the hot mic talking about it. And, like, so you're like, well, where do you get off?

Like, acting like you're the –. yeah, this is how the media works. You get quoted, and then we quote you. And then we show you. That's how the media works.

Like, this air of superiority. Like, you've been caught red-handed on so many different things. You lied us into every freaking war in the last 20 years. You suppressed the Epstein story. You bullshitted about the Hunter Biden story.

You're all now even admitting it. Even they're admitting it now. Oh, yeah, well, it turns out there is a whole real corrupt thing to be investigated here about the Bidens. And it's like – but then they still turn around and have this, like, well, we're the news, and that's what happens. And then they're very concerned with, you know, you spreading misinformation or something.

I still am. But it was really weird that after he said that, for the next few days, everybody in the corporate press is talking about COVID again.

And so, like, what are we even talking about here? But they're trying to push another round of boosters. They're already – I saw there was a Pfizer spokesman on CNN the other day. This is why you really need to get this latest booster. And they say, does this booster protect against the newest variant?

And he said, it looks like it does.

It looks like it does. Okay.

It'll definitely – and now it's just like, looks good. Shoot another one, man. What are the effects of taking eight mRNA vaccines in two years? I don't know. Looks good.

Take it. That's where they're at.

Like, when they initially rolled it out, they got up to, I think, somewhere in the neighborhood of, like, 75 percent of the adult population got it. This was with a lot of coercion, you know, not just, like, people just got it. It's like a lot of people had their jobs threatened if they didn't get it and had pressure from family and stuff like that. And then, if you look at the boost – the rate, the first booster, it was, like, half of that. And then the next round of boosters, it was, like, way lower than that.

So most of the American people maybe did get the original double jab, but they have not been buying into this, like, booster regime of, like, I got to keep getting more and more.

It showed that the more jabs you got, the more likely you were to get COVID, which is so crazy.

Biden was saying it. Who knows? Who knows what's in there?

It's just like the thing with Al Qaeda. Oh, that's gone. All that stuff we were admitting five minutes ago, you're a crazy person if you say that now, because now there's the new agenda. And this is how the propaganda goes from that. I will say, man, I think that if they're going to do this, like if they're going to bring back like mask mandates, if businesses are doing this, I think like the thing that happened with Budweiser or with Bud Light, when they put that Dylan fella on the can, like.

we need that times ten. Like. I completely support people's right to stop drinking Bud Light if they don't like what's on the can, you know? You don't have to have a cultural thing forced on you that you don't agree with, but like, there's got to be some type of response where, like, if you're bringing back mask mandates, we're boycotting your business. Like we're just not, we're not fucking with people who are going to try to force this all down our throat again, because it's insane.

And it's like at a certain point, it's got to stop. Like, dude, first off, the cloth. masks don't even work and all the studies indicate that it doesn't even slow the spread or anything.

And this is just insane. Like if you're very sick and you're concerned about COVID, then all right, fine. You can, like, kind of isolate yourself, but let the rest of people like live a life and go back to all this insanity again.

It's really weird. It's weird how that happens. So you like, you know, you get people that act like prison guards, you know, that like, they're, they're a little special because they can catch you doing the thing that you shouldn't be doing, that everybody should be fighting back against.

Like there's this authority figure and then people just comply and they just follow it and they just follow orders. And like, that's, there's an element of that. obviously. I mean, they demonstrated that in the experiment, but then it's like, it's almost more like the Stanford prison experiments. That's really more the complete picture that, like everyone, gets into their little role and they actually really enjoy it.

And that's how authoritarian regimes actually like come to be and continue themselves. is that it's not just that like, Oh, you know, like, um, you know, Hitler said, we're supposed to hate the Jews, and I'm not going to say no to him. So I guess we got to hate the Jews. It's more like those people get really into hating the Jews. They're the ones who did that.

You know what I mean? And like, it's kind of like, that's the real sick thing when your neighbor, it just little things, man. I remember, um, in like April of 2020, going to visit my mother and being in her apartment building and her, like one of the neighbors, this kind of like busybody, uh, older lady like, came right up to us and she goes visiting, and without masks. Really? And you're like, lady, like.

go back down the hall. Like I'm bringing my kids to see their grandmother, and I'm not, not doing that because you're weird. Like. go away. Like, I mean, I didn't say it exactly like that.

And I said, I think I just said something like, I go, yeah, you don't want to get too close to us. You know, like social distance, right? Like, okay. But it's, it's crazy. Like people would get into that and like, somehow you could be demonized for the crime of bringing little kids to see their grandmother.

You know what I mean? Like. there's something really creepy about that.

There's like, you don't transmit COVID outside, unless you're like right on top of each other. And also, and I know it was, who was it? Oh, John blinking on the, I'll remember in a second, but there was a major study that came out that also showed that there was no correlation in the lockdown, in the areas that locked down versus areas that didn't lock down and just did nothing. They had almost no effect whatsoever on the virus, because it's like, it's an upper respiratory virus. It spreads, you know, you kind of can't really stop that from happening.

And the best thing to fight against it has always been, this has now been proven empirically, but would have been easy for anyone to figure out before is natural immunity. That's the best. That's the best protection you have is if you can get COVID and get over it.

it was like a 1% death rate, I think on the, on the original, the original strand of COVID. And that 1% is obviously largely driven by old, sick people. That's where most of the death is coming from.

But it's almost like you give a pass for all of these things. Like, do you remember that? Like, Oh, yeah.

Like they made, like they made a Cuomo, the hero governor. Yeah. And every day he's on TV. And what did he want? a fucking Emmy or whatever for it?

Yeah. Like that. They wouldn't even pretend. there's a journalistic integrity issue with having the brother of the governor sit down and just congratulate him every day. Well, we're in the middle of the biggest crisis.

That's what you do to like hold power accountable. You let him sit down with his brother every day. I can't believe. even as corrupt as I know, like all the corporate press, like institutions are, I can't believe there wasn't someone there who goes, this is too much of the appearance of like, we're not even pretending. Let's have someone else interview him every day.

Let Don Lemon do the Andrew Cuomo stuff, you know?

what, what is it that like, where he became a liability? Because there was, there was a lot of people that were saying like, that guy could be the big guy to challenge Trump.

Like he was being propped up like the next guy. And then they were like, we're pulling the floor out from underneath this guy. Just like that. That was, it was crazy during COVID. how many of those things happened where, like, you know, they'd go like with very little time in between, they'd go from being like, okay, like you can't leave your house.

You were like, they were like demonizing kids who were on the beach, you know, being like, look how reckless these kids are being. They're out on the beach with their friends, you know, MSNBC is like, this guy's not wearing a mask, you know, like demonizing anyone who went outside. And then it was like, well, if you're protesting for black lives matter, that's totally cool. You guys can all do it. Huge groups go for it.

No problem. And I was like, dude, but yesterday you told me to give up my life and like put everything on, but now, if it's for this cause, it's okay. Or like the way they were, we were at 5. PM. Everyone was applauding for the nurses.

But now, if that nurse won't get vaccinated, fire, you know, like screw, you're like, Whoa, right. Especially hero just became, like nurses that already had.

Yeah. It was a nutty time, man. Very. And it still is. It still is.

I mean, this stuff, this stuff with Trump, you know, he's, uh, tomorrow supposed to, uh, turn himself in, in Georgia. And I'm not sure exactly. I was reading about it, uh, yesterday, and it's not exactly clear, I guess, cause the deal hasn't been made, but it was something like, uh, like a $200,000 bond is what they were saying. And then, um, I, it looks like he's going to have to actually go into the jail. So they're going to, I think they're going to book them.

I think that means mugshots, um, which is, which is, I think, something that they're going for. I think they like the optics of that a lot. Um,

Like, you can't defend yourself publicly. You can't speak about the case, and they're allowed to do this. They go, we'll throw you in jail if you speak about it. Um, it's kind of like this weird system where, once they agree, they kind of have the right to keep you in jail until your trial legally. and so, if they release you, they can say, well, these are the conditions and it can kind of be anything, you know?

Um, but the idea that you could say, well, okay, you can't defend yourself publicly, you know, you can't post on truth, social or Twitter or whatever about this, is such a weird thing. If you believe in liberty at all, it's a weird thing because liberty is kind of predicated on the presumption of innocence. Like if you're not, if you don't have the presumption of innocence, then there's no such thing as freedom. I mean, you could say we have freedom, but if I accuse you of something, you're guilty, right? Then you don't have any freedom.

So we're supposedly in it. We're innocent until proven guilty. So Trump's innocent of these charges. and yet they can still tell you you're not allowed to post this. You're not allowed to say this, but what's particularly interesting in this case is that it's just smells a lot like election interference, because from the political standpoint, if this is the biggest national story of a presidential race and Joe Biden can say whatever he wants about it, or the Democrats can say whatever they want about it, but Trump isn't allowed to defend himself, like he's not allowed to comment on it at all.

That seems like you're rigging the system.

A judge could interpret as an effort to intimidate co-defendants or witnesses or otherwise obstruct the administration of justice.

And one of them was, and I shit you not, you can go read the report. One of the 10 instances was that he kept referring to the, it as a witch hunt. So like the fact that he kept saying, this is bullshit. Like I'm not, I'm not involved in a conspiracy with Russia. And, and everybody knows that that was him potentially obstructing the investigation.

Wow. So it's like, if you, if I say you murdered somebody and you go, that's absolute bullshit. I didn't murder anybody. And you're like, you're right. You didn't, but you just obstructed justice.

Wow. Like, how insane is that? It's so crazy. You're right. We did make that up about the murder thing.

But when you said you didn't murder anybody, you know, they said firing Comey was one of them because he fired the FBI, the director of the FBI who was investigating him at the time. But then Comey said that he told Trump he wasn't investigating him. So now maybe Trump figured that out, but he had told the president he wasn't investigating him, even though he was, and Trump fired him.

So the first time they meet, Comey presents him with the steel dossier. And he goes, you know, just wanted to let you know, we have all of this, uh, information and all the stuff, the P, the, the, you know, and all that being involved with Russia and all of this. And Trump's response to this, um, at least according to, uh, Bob Woodward, um, was, uh, was, he goes, take everything you need. You have access to all my campaign files, everything. If there's any connection to Russia here, I want to know about it as much as you do.

So investigate me, which he did not have to do, which, right away, should have really suggested that, that there was nothing to this, but I don't know exactly what the details of that meeting were, but to me, what it read like was, you know, uh, like what J J Edgar Hoover was the long time, you know, head of the FBI, what he used to do was like, uh, so JFK, uh, you know, wins the presidency. Uh, Bobby Kennedy, RFK jr's father is the, is the attorney general. He, uh, he comes into a meeting with, uh, with J Edgar Hoover, and J Edgar Hoover goes, Hey, listen, just want to keep you up to date on some, uh, intelligence. I have these pictures of all of the chicks who your brother's sleeping with. So here you go.

Here's just the intelligence. Just so you know, um, I have all of the information about all the affairs he's having, and don't worry, I have backups, you know?

And then that firing, Comey, is what set off the whole thing. um, you know, but, like, like I said earlier, they had been already investigating them, knowing this was bullshit from the very beginning of, since the campaign. And, uh, Andrew, uh, McCabe, who was the deputy, uh, the deputy FBI director, uh, at the time. So James, uh, uh, so, after they fired, um, the FBI director, he said this on a 60 minutes interview. He said that basically they all sat around, all the top people at the justice department, and they considered invoking the 25th amendment, which is, you know, getting enough of the cabinet to declare that the president is unfit to serve and removing him, and that that's what they wanted to do.

And he said that they basically realized they couldn't get enough of the cabinet. Like they couldn't get enough people to agree to that. And so they, they settled on Mueller. They settled on setting up a special, uh, investigator. And so that was, that's how they got to the whole investigation.

And all of these different things, you know, Buzzfeed publishes, uh, the, the steel dossier. They're all citing it and they're all talking about it. And then, I don't know if you remember this at the very end, it's like the last month, uh, Buzzfeed had these two reporters who ran a story that said that they had been shown proof. That, uh, Donald Trump instructed, uh, Cohen, his attorney, to lie before Congress. And this is a clear crime.

And this is going to lead with indictments of Donald Trump. He's going to be walking away in handcuffs. The sitting president of the United States of America is about to be indicted. And Mueller's team put out a statement. And they said, that is, this is not true.

And that is, we have not found that in our investigation. So they were willing at that point, toward the very end. Um, yes, this was, uh, the, the Mueller report found that Trump did not direct Michael Cohen to lie. But more importantly than that is that they, they came, they came out before the report was out and said, Hey, listen, everyone's speculating about this kind of like control expectations. Cause that's not going to happen.

We didn't find any evidence of that yet. They allowed for two plus years, every pundit in the world to speculate about whether the sitting president of the United States had committed high treason. And he never came out and said, Hey guys, that's not where our, where our investigation is pointed at all. Like, cool it with that. He let everybody say that through the midterm elections and just through the first two plus years of Trump's administration, just let that hang over him.

Even though, clearly, he never had any evidence pointing in that direction at all, which is insane. It's like it was like the biggest story in the history of the United States of America. If it was true that the sitting president is actually a Russian agent, right? Like, there's nothing bigger than that ever. But the actual story is almost as big, which is that the intelligence agencies framed the sitting president for treason and they all got away with it.

They don't know the science of it, but they know, like corruption rush. It's just like this kind of thing on an instinctual level. Like, and I think there was something to that, like with occupy wall street, like, yeah, sure. If you went down there and you talk to the average kid there and ask them like about economics or something, he might give you some ridiculous answer. Right.

But they knew those big banks being bailed out was corrupted. shit, you know? And I think there's something about that. Like people just know, they're like, this whole system is bullshit. Yeah.

And they're right.

But it's like, I'd say like, you know, like if you were bit by a, like a venomous snake and like whatever the, the like antidote or something is like at the top of a really steep hill, and you're like, okay, well, the answer is we have to get that and inject it in you. But then the real problem becomes like, okay, but how, how the hell do we get up this hell? So, like, the answer is that all these agencies need to be abolished. The answer is that, like you need a drastic reduction in the size and scope of government. You need to, like abolish all of these three letter organizations and just start over, start over with the bill of rights and the declaration of independence and the constitution.

That would be like, that would be about as close to perfect as you could get. However,

And I, I think that my guess on this is that, like the only plausible way to do this is that you need, like a mass populist movement. You need, and it can't be like, we got 45% of the country who's fed up with this government. It's gotta be like, we got 85% of the country and we're all together on all of this. And then you need elites. Like.

you need the elites who will actually like put their power and influence and wealth behind this kind of, you know, type of movement to try to look. I mean, what, what really has to happen is that, and I think to some degree, this is what happened with Elon Musk taking over Twitter. You know, there's that, that type of thing where you have a real elite, like a natural elite to somebody who wasn't just like picked, didn't just win an election, but like built something insane, you know? Um, I think at least it seems to me, I don't know Elon Musk at all, but it seems to me like he had a real belief that he's like, um, he's like, we're going to destroy this country. Like if we don't have kind of some type of free speech platform, we're going to, we're going to, this is going to be our demise.

And I think you need enough powerful people to realize that, like, you want to keep this thing together, man, because you're doing great. Like this isn't good for you if this whole country falls apart and we're dangerous, like we're getting dangerously close to that point. And look, man, when it comes down to it, it's like the, the reason why America is the most successful country that's ever existed is because it, it was the freest country. And that's the beautiful thing. Like freedom is not only the most like moral, uh, system, but it's also like leads to the most prosperity.

At least the most harmony, like it's what civilized behavior is, right? Like. the essence of civilized behavior is essentially the non-aggression principle. The idea that, like you, respect people and their property, and you don't, you know what I mean? Like you're not allowed to just be a violent animal.

You have to be nonviolent and try to persuade people and trade with them. That's how, that's how civilization is built. And America was the best at that. You know, we were the best at that restraining government, having free markets and the individual liberty. And we need to move back toward that, or we're going to die.

against people that have this desire for self-preservation and they have their own jobs and they have their position of power that they don't want to relinquish. because what would they do now? What would they, what do they do now? You take everyone that's in. all.

these intelligence agencies, like you're no longer needed. But what about the people that are needed? And what about the tasks that they do that are important? What about the legitimate eyes on terrorism? What about the legitimate, you know, intelligence?

they're gathering about real dangers to the United States? What do you do about that?

Take this money and go, you know? Um, I would be open to something like that. You know, for some people, I do think others should be, uh, criminally prosecuted, but I think that, uh, there certainly is like a role for like intelligence gathering. There certainly has to be a role for national defense. Um, now, I think, in an ideal world, it would all be kind of like a voluntary, private type system, but in practical terms, I think that look like we, it's not as if, before the CIA was created, that was just like the president was, just like, we have no intelligence.

We don't, we're just flying completely blind, you know? And like what it was created to be was essentially like a newspaper for the president. Like you're supposed to basically deliver, here's the news the president needs to know, like the real important news. And what it's become is like a paramilitary organization that starts wars and colored revolutions all around the world, lies the American people into conflict, spies on, on our political leaders and, and presidential campaigns and all of this stuff. And you're like, yeah, this just became something it wasn't ever supposed to be.

It was never supposed to be this thing, that now, and now you're really the guys who are in control. I think, since Kennedy, that's kind of been true that, like, that's really who's running the show here. And you can't go on with that. You know what I mean? Like that has to just be scrapped.

Now, you know, by the way, if anyone from the CIA is listening, I'm no threat to ever actually do. So. we're totally cool. Totally cool. Um,

Um, but like, I care about helping poor people and I don't think you should be a bigot. You know what I mean? Like. I have like those kind of leftist impulses, but it's just like, I feel, like most of like progressives and leftists, they, they want to have a very powerful government that does those things. And my realization is that you can never have this very powerful government without all the corruption that comes along with it.

Like you kind of essentially want power to not corrupt, but it's going to, it's just inevitable. And, you know, when you, you have, I mean, I, I don't know even the exact numbers right now. I think during COVID, I think we topped off at $7 trillion in total federal spending. You have an organization that spends $7 trillion. It's like, that is so much power that of course, everybody's going to be fighting for.

who gets to wield that power. And there's kind of, it's like the Lord of the Rings thing. Like the only answer here is kind of like to throw it away. You know, it's not that the good guy gets it. That's not the answer.

And I think that's kind of the essence of leftism. Well, what if the good guy could get it? And then we use that power to just give everybody healthcare and stuff, you know? And you're like, it's a nice idea, but let me put that ring on you. And I'm not claiming I could wear that ring either.

I'd become evil too. You know, that's even like the most, the nicest, you know, like well-meaning, democratic, socialist type people, who, some of them I like personally, you know, like I, like Ben Burgess. I think he's a good dude, but I wouldn't trust him with that much power. You know what I mean? Like I don't, there's not one of them who I think would actually be able to wield it.

Right. You know,

S, one of his list of grievances. And, um, so the UN report, uh, said that they,

Well, hold on, play it, bring it back a little. Cause I missed her question.

We have heard that a half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died when, when in, in Hiroshima. And, and, you know, is the price worth it? I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it.

It's just like a crazy thing to just say, like she goes, 500,000 kids have died. Is the price worth it? And you go, yeah, we think so. But I mean, she did preface it, but it's tough, tough choice. But yeah, yeah, we do.

And this was always kind of like my thing. And this is what Ron Paul, there's, like what I, I first got introduced to Ron Paul. It was that moment with Giuliani in 2007, when they were having that debate. And his basic argument was just like, look, if we're at war with these terrorists, then we need at least understand what's going on here. And like, put yourself in their perspective, from, in their shoes, you know, how would you feel?

And like, imagine someone was talking like this about your kids, right? You know what I mean? Like. we've decided that price is worth it. I think my response to that might be like, well, I've decided this price is worth it.

now. You know, like I like, and, and, and again, it's just like the thing with Vladimir Putin. It's just like, it doesn't mean like, obviously, that, that doesn't mean nine 11 was okay. You know what I mean? Like.

that doesn't mean like terrorism is okay. It's okay that they killed innocent people. It's just like, if you want to understand what's going on here, you have to be able to like, put yourself in the, in the perspective, ask yourself the question, how would we feel if this was done to us? Right. And that's kind of, that was my central point with all of the stuff with, with the war in Ukraine.

So I just go like, okay, you know, you're saying Vladimir Putin wasn't provoked, but like, what, if, you know, what, if the Warsaw pact, uh, never, uh, dissolved and the USSR was still going. And then they moved their military alliance all the way up through Britain, uh, Britain, and then into Canada, you know? And then, um, they went over and, you know, backed a violent coup who overthrew the pro U S government in Canada and put in a pro Russian government. And then we're talking about, you know, expanding the military alliance more. And they started putting weapons in Canada.

You know what I mean? They'd be like, what would we think about that?

If you're going to understand what's going on, that it's not all, you can't only look at things from the perspective of your country. I'd like to look at things from the perspective of people outside.

You had RFK on, on here, like blew up the internet. It's just interesting that now they're kind of recognizing, oh, well, there's this whole other way that people are getting information. And I just, I don't know how anyone could argue that just objectively, it's so much. If the goal is to like tell people your ideas and to educate people about what's going on, it's so much better to have like a hours long discussion than to go do a seven minute segment on CNN. It's kind of ridiculous to ever think you could talk about any like complex idea that way.

And, and there's lots of shows like this. You know, I was, I was watching, um, uh, the other day I watched, um, uh, Crystal and Sagar. Um, what's their show? It's breaking points now, right? Or is that the old one?

No, it's breaking points. That watch, they had a Chris Matthews on. You did see it?

And, and the one that was the most interesting to me was to get a guy like Chris Matthews, who was really one of the staples of Cape cable news throughout this whole kind of, you know, the last, whatever, 15, 20 years, maybe even more than that. Um, and to ask him like, look, you clearly are like a big critic of the populist movements that have arose. Like he was a big critic of Bernie Sanders, a big critic of Donald Trump, you know, there's like, but do you see any failures on, on your part that led to this? Like, do you, do you get why people are so upset with the establishment, Democrats and Republicans? And he seemed to have like no answer to it.

And that's just, it's, it's one of those things where, like, I think, so many people in that game, in the corporate press world, it's like, you know, they like, whatever they'd be like criticizing you or someone like that. And you're like, but do you guys ever just sit and like, ask yourselves, well, why is it that the people abandoned you and went over to this other, you know, like in this completely other direction? that wouldn't you? at some point, I remember Tucker Carlson said this once, I think it was in his book, a ship of fools, but he was like, like, if your wife leaves you for like a guy, you know what I mean? Like your wife leaves you for some guy, like at first you, yeah, you're like, screw her, you know, or whatever.

But like, at some point you might like reflect on that and go like, well, what happened there? Like, what did I do? that, you know, like she wanted to leave, like, you know what I mean? And like, there seems like there's none of that with them. And it's, it's fairly easy to figure out, which is like what we've been talking about.

It's like, oh yeah, the system was so incredibly corrupt and it was screwing over regular people.

You can't stop it to go, take a piss. Like what?

You're in remote locations and there's several people talking over each other and everyone's just trying to get a big sound bite. Yeah. And then you cut to commercial and like, what did you do?

Like, that's not really getting at what happened here. Like, why is it that this guy's anti-establishment message was so popular? It resonated so much with tens of millions of Americans. And then, and I think you can, if you just look at just the 21st century alone and you look at, kind of like, the elites that are in charge of society, every society is going to have elites. That's just the way things work.

You may not like that, but that's just the way things work. Every sector has elites, everything. That's how human beings are. but what have the elites like, given the American people in the 21st century? It's like, okay, well, we got like, we got nine 11..

We got, um, uh, we got two 20 year catastrophe wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Um, we got. that all culminated in the worst financial crisis in a hundred years, in, in 2008,, you know, in response to that. So the federal reserve, another organization that should be abolished, but they do a good job of keeping a data. So they, according to the federal reserve, it was like between 2007 and 2010,, the, uh, um, the average American lost 40% of their net worth, 40% of their net worth evaporated.

And if you can just like, imagine, um, imagine what it's like if you're like, you got, you know, like you got two kids and you're making like 70 grand a year, something like that. Just kind of like the average person, you lose 40% of your net worth. You're like, I mean, it's terrifying. You know what I mean? And so, and then the response to that from Barack Obama, when he got in was what they called the Obama recovery.

But the Obama recovery was basically created by lowering interest rates to zero and jacking up government spending to the highest levels that it had ever been. And so they have a recovery on paper, but who really benefits from an environment where you have crazy high government spending and 0% interest rates are, well, the 0% interest rates benefit the wall, uh, the wall street speculators, because now everyone's got to speculate in order to make any money on their money. You can't just save your money because you're making nothing. So you have to kind of gamble it in the wall street casino. So wall street gets filthy rich off this.

And then the high government spending, it's like everyone connected to DC made a ton of money. So it was great for them, but for the rust belt, it wasn't great. And that's why, that's why so many of those same areas that voted for Obama went for Trump. So he was talking about bringing their jobs back. and like, you know what I mean?

And it's like, you, you put yourself in the perspective of these people who, like, I don't know, like, like his son died in Iraq. You know what I mean? Or maybe one of his kids came back a mess from this war that they now admit. We never should have fought to begin with. It was all bullshit.

You know what I mean? You're a, um, you're, you lost your job in a way to. now you have some crappier job than you've ever had before. You know what I mean? Maybe you got another kid who's like addicted to opioids or something like that.

Cause there's a whole epidemic of that going on. And like, then this guy came in and told you he's, he cares about you. He's going to win for you. It's big billionaire motherfucker. So I'm going to win, bring your jobs back.

It's like, it's not such a mystery why they went for that guy and why they rejected the entire corporate media, who had been basically lying to them, for, you know, for the last 20 years. Yeah. And then, like, there was never, just like, there was, almost like crystal was like asking Chris Matthews, do you have a moment? Can you think about this at all? Yeah.

And he was just completely like shut off to, even like entertaining what failures of the establishment might have led to this new populist moment that we live in today.

It's not like the government did something that really made everything wonderful. It was terrible. And in the midst of that, what the, what the government really did in its response was give crumbs to people while giving trillions to, like big corporations and big banks. So, objectively, that's what happened. The trillions and trillions of dollars that they, they spent that year, the vast majority of it went to big business.

So this idea that like that, and of course, you know, she can talk about the, the, the spending and how, like, okay, you can save the spending. Well, it helped for the people who got the money. And it's like, yes. And then they had to feel the inflation from all of that.

I, I think the, the COVID response of anything should have been to, you know, I'd say abolish the income tax. You know, there you go.

And then he's like,

And then, like, it won't, there won't be so much attraction for conspiracy theorists, which, I will admit, sometimes get pretty nutty. And you're like, yeah, I don't think you can really prove any of that. Um, but you, I understand why, when the government is so corrupt and they lie so much and they screw over average Americans so much, it, it leads to an environment where conspiracy is spread. Yeah. And people, a lot of really legitimate conspiracies that really are conspiracies.

Now, you know, I mean, it's pretty clear that there was that, I mean, we have the emails, like we know, like Fauci conspired to kill the lab leak story. Like they conspired to kill the Hunter Biden story. These are conspiracies. And so, you know, again, it's like my, you know, analogy of like, it's like, uh, if, if, uh, I heard Sam Harris said, uh, recently on a podcast that he said something, um, he goes, and he was being critical of you. and, uh, RFK, I think, and, uh, Brett, uh, Weinstein.

And he said, uh, like he goes, well, these guys are over here talking about how bad the MRNA vaccine is, how bad COVID restrictions are. But I'm trying to sail where I understand that, like we're losing trust in these institutions, but we also need institutions that we can trust. And I, uh, my thing is almost, it's like the analogy of the, if you're cheating on your wife and your wife catches you cheating on her, and then you go, um, you know, your response is like, you know, the real problem here is that there's not trust in this marriage and we need a marriage with trust. And it's like, yeah,

That's why there's no trust. Right. Like, it's not like. I'm fine with the, uh, the theoretical argument that, like we need institutions. We can trust, like, yeah, that'd be great.

That'd be great. If, during a pandemic, there were a bunch of medical experts who could get us accurate information, be honest and, and spread that information around. And so sure. But the problem isn't that we just don't trust them. The problem is that they're lying and we caught them red handed.

And then that led to a bunch of people going like, well, how long have they been lying? You know, they're lying about this. When were they honest? And then the more you look into it, you're like, Oh shit. They were always lying.

They've been lying for a really long time. And so to turn around and then blame that on the, you know, the problem here is just that we don't have trust. Like, no, that's actually a solution. That's a step in the right direction. If you don't trust these motherfuckers.

but it's, you know, it's, it's interesting. You learn a lot about who people really are, how things really work, you know, how much, uh, it's like, uh, like a stress test, kind of, you know, I have a bit about this, um, in my new special, by the way, which was just released yesterday on YouTube, go check it out, please. Um, uh, but it's like, it's like COVID was like a stress test, you know, like you throw a crisis at something and you see what, like, you see how strong it really is. What's the constitution here. And it exposed a lot.

We go, Ooh, we had some weaknesses. Yeah.

It's, it's only a pandemic of the unvaccinated, you know, but like, but like just regular people, like online, like Fauci, ain't saying that anymore. Even he knows, like we've abandoned that talking point, but then people, you hear it enough and they, and they believe it. And that's one of the things with all this stuff. It's part of how propaganda works. I guess, like the big lie type deal, that if you just repeat something often enough, it does stick with a lot of people.

Oh, there's a, there's a certain percentage who it's just like, yeah, but I heard that a lot. So there must be something to it.

and I, it's just the amount of responses I get where people who are agreeing with me, but they go, they'll say things like, they're like, this guy is such an idiot. And you're like,

You know like wrong and stupid are not synonymous, right? Like there's. there are two very different things, and it's interesting. Michael Malice has that line. where he goes, He goes.

it's much easier to train a smart dog Mm-hmm. So like. the idea is almost like. sometimes even being very intelligent Makes you more susceptible to propaganda like. it's easier to kind of like train this the intelligent.

And if you say that this thing is incorrect, Then you failed and you're wrong, and you're, you're not as good as you. so you try to find a way where you were good and you try to find a way where you can kind of manipulate language and maybe even, Maybe even fucking change the information. like, let's imagine if the information was different. Yeah, let's imagine If 10% of the people die, yeah, but but they didn't, yeah.

But what is? it's like they're getting that from insurance companies, right? Where they're they're. they're trying to make an assessment of like what's going on, and there's a lot of people that are very nervous about This. because what is what is the increase in all-cause mortality right now?

I think it's like, you know 1859 or whatever the fuck it is. There's some very bizarre Injuries. Yeah, and I've heard Neil deGrasse Tyson trying to say well, a lot of people were drinking during the pandemic. like, Really? Was there another thing that happened to right?

that may be really crazy. Imagine if so many people started drinking. there was a 40% increase in all-cause mortality. Wouldn't there be? like shows about Alcoholism?

like, ladies and gentlemen, like, look at what's happening to our country. There's a 40% in. imagine. There was no pandemic, There's no vaccination. imagine all of a sudden a 40% increase in all-cause mortality and Then you just kind of casually say well,

You're telling me that's the starting point. is that can't be part of the conversation, trying to ignore this thing.

there are. clearly, there have been a large number of people who have been injured by the vaccine. and Then, when you look at that and you go, look, and you guys, your position, the entire establishment position, was, Everyone should get it. Yeah, everyone should get it. when there were clearly cases where you really don't have an argument, You know, like a healthy young person who's already had kovat, There's just no argument that they should take, on whatever that risk is, for something that won't even prevent them from getting kovat again.

Right, there's no argument for that, but you enforce that on them. you know, you enforce like. I know. um, I knew this. uh, this kid who's I like in grad school and he Got double vaccinated because they were gonna kick him out of school if he didn't.

and then he got kovat and then, a month later, But they insisted he get a booster Like there's. no, there is no expert on the planet who can give me a compelling scientific at You know reason why that made any sense at all, while you were doing anything other than to this 26 year old kid, making him Take on serious risk, nothing better. and you and you insisted on this. So now, like, it's just crazy that you can't even acknowledge that, like, yeah, We did give people that like very, in many cases, very bad medical advice that had the potential to lead to them being injured.

Maybe get some more with the vaccine, you know.

I recovered. I'm in a better position than you now and you're telling me to do what you did, right?

you should be a good guy and join our team. Yeah, you know, and I had smart people that I respect. tell me I should get vaccinated after I got over kovat. I'm like, are you not paying attention? to any of this?

Like what? why we? why you give me that advice? first of all? Imagine if someone got something and they got sick and they got over it, and then saying you can't do it that way, You should do it another way and you have to do it our way and you got over it very quickly.

if you can't take vitamin D, you know what I mean? Like, but all it was there.

There was no scientific evidence to like argue that they never even tested it.

I didn't believe that that was accurate, But then he actually sent me the real paperwork and you read it and you go wow, That's really what it was. there was two people that died in the placebo group. one person died in the vaccinated group and Two is a hundred percent more than one. Yep. So that's how it's a hundred percent effective and stopping death.

It was in like his, his newsletter that he writes, which was very interesting to me, kind of like demonstrated the whole like we're trusting The institutions, as so he was at um, I don't know, I think he's in his, his 50s. so he was at a Doctor's appointment. He said, and his doctor was like, oh, you know, cuz your age or whatever, you can get the the shingles vaccine now. So I'd recommend you get it. It's 87% effective against shingles.

and he was basically saying, any time before the last three years I would have just gone. Okay, you know, I trust, I trust my doctor. Okay. Sure. I don't want to get shingles, So I better take this vaccine, but now he goes, I'm forced to go.

Well, how did you come up with this number? Is it like the ridiculous way you came up with the kovat vaccine number? So, like, no, I'm not gonna take that, because now I have to go and actually look into this and and that's kind of, I think, where a Lot of people are like, that's where I am. Yeah, that I would have always assumed that, like, I don't know if my doctor's telling me this he's done his research. He wouldn't just be telling me this without having looked into it.

He knows better than me about this field. So I'll say now, I never trusted the CDC, or you know what I mean? Like, I always knew government entities were corrupt, but I figured my local doctor would kind of like not just recommend something to me, and That was a big thing that kovat exposed that, oh even that guy. Well, and I got an arguments with my kids pediatrician over this, But I had clearly done more research than he had. like, I knew.

shit that he didn't know. and he's recommending this to my kids, you know, um, which was insane.