#2026 - Peter Berg

I'm only two episodes deep. I started the third today. It's so fucking good, dude. And it's so disturbing because, it's true. It's an accurate account of how this all happened.

It makes you so uncomfortable to think that there's people in the world that would do what the Sackler family did.

When they first came to me and asked me if I was interested, my buddy Eric Newman, who put the whole thing together, said, do you want to do something about the Sacklers? Do you know who the Sacklers are? And I did. I knew they were the family behind OxyContin. And he said, are you interested?

And I started thinking and I started counting the people I know who've died or whose kids have died because of OxyContin and opioids. And I quickly got off of both fingers. And then I started thinking about some of my heroes, my artistic heroes, Chris Cornell, Tom Petty, and one of my big heroes was Prince. I was a huge, huge Prince fan. I went to school in Minneapolis when he was coming up.

I was an extra in Purple Rain back in the day, First Avenue in Minneapolis. Those three guys. When Prince died, he was legendary for his work ethic and his lifestyle. No alcohol, no swearing, and just incredible work ethic. And the fact that OxyContin got him.

And that really kind of fucked with me. So when they came to me and started talking to me about doing something about the Sacklers, I was like, yeah, I'm all in. And the more I dug into it, the more experts and writers who have been covering this epidemic for so long, the more I learned. I'm not necessarily the biggest conspiracy guy of all time. I do.

If the proof's there, I'm down. But the more I learned about the Sacklers and how they maneuvered what is essentially just heroin in like a little M&M pill, how they were so artful and so good at manipulating the system, I was shocked. And I was all in on Painkiller.

And that's a very, very, very powerful moment.

you're calling it a different thing. And this idea that it's only 1% of the people that have problems with it, those numbers are all lies. They're always lies. They lie about how many people died. They lie about how many people get addicted.

It's all a lie. And if they can keep lying and not face any repercussions, they'll keep lying because they almost have an obligation to their shareholders to do that.

I mean, they were doctors, and they knew how powerful the opioid dosage was. And they knew they were. And what else is crazy is they knew that if they just kept, they would make so much more money by what they call titrating up, right? So, you know, we put you on 10 milligrams of OxyContin because you blew out your back in the gym, and it works for a bit. And then, when it doesn't, we're like, oh, well, we got to kick you up.

So let's put you on 20, and then let's put you on 40.. And they got up to 85 milligrams OxyContins. They called them OxyCoffins. That was the word on the street. And these reps, these cute little reps, these pretty little college graduates who were just looking to make some money, were paid bonuses based on the amount of milligrams in the pill.

So I'm trying to convince you, if I'm a rep and you're a doctor, just to kick it up, doc. Prescribe 20 or 40 or 85 milligrams, and everybody will make some more money. And that was the game that the Sacklers were playing. And, like, you know, I've said, like, I'm down with capitalism. No problem.

Like, make money, do it. And if you just look at the Sacklers, you know, from a capitalistic perspective, and you apply, you know, rules of capitalism, and you're on their grade, they get an A+. They were fucking good at making money. You put, like, that, much morality into the equation, and these are some evil human beings.

See if we can find the settlement.

The day we came out was about 12 days ago. now. The Supreme Court said, hold up. You cannot cut a deal. Wow.

So they're just counting on interest rates to pay that $6 billion. And the deal they had cut said, we'll pay you the six, but there's no more. And you can never come after any more of our money, and you can never come after us for any criminal charges. So they were basically buying their way to safety for a six bill. And that deal was taken.

The Supreme Court just said, hold up, not so fast. We're not going to accept that deal. You may have to pay more, and we may go after you. So now the potential for them to face true bankruptcy and maybe more is on the table.

The response of Purdue, basically is, well, your daughter was a drug addict. Oh, God. Your daughter was a drug addict. I'm so sorry for your loss, but your daughter was a drug addict. Don't blame us.

Hammer the abusers.

Giuliani was one of their main attorneys. Mary Jo White, I don't know if you know who she is. She's a very powerful attorney and others. So there's a lot of fear about being sued. I have my talking points here about what I'm not supposed to say.

So, again, everything I'm saying is more or less my theory and things that have been backed up by books like Painkiller, by the very talented Barry Meyer, who wrote Investigative Reporter for The Times, who wrote it. But we were told by legal that we had to put disclaimers in front of each episode. And what you're about to see is based on fact. But some of the facts have been changed. And, you know, it's not all true.

We've changed some of the facts. And that didn't really sit right with me, because, yes, we have interpreted things and changed some things. But the reality is the Sacklers did what they did. And I didn't. I thought like just putting a standard disclaimer would be kind of letting them off a bit.

And I was thinking about it. I'm like, well, what if we had a 50-year-old woman sitting? We opened a 50-year-old woman staring at the camera and she reads the disclaimer exactly as legal says. You know, what you see is based on fact. But some of it has been fictionalized.

And then she stops and she says, but what hasn't been fictionalized is that my 22-year-old son, Tommy, and she holds up a picture, died of an Oxycontin overdose.

And that was, you know, the kind of thing that was, I think, very important to me and to all the makers of the show, that, as if we were going to veer from the truth. And we were going to potentially occur the wrath of the Purdue legal. We did it in a way that never let them off the hook.

It's. it's so weird how many people are on it. I had a conversation with a friend of mine about his mom. His mom's 90.. And, you know, she's had health issues.

But could you imagine, when we were kids, if you told me that your friend's mom was on heroin and that we had to get her more heroin and the doctor's not? There's something wrong with her prescription. So what had happened was the pharmacist, the doctor had screwed up and prescribed more pills verbally than he wrote it down on paper. Like he told her, you have to take two a day, you know, and this is supposed to be good for, you know, whatever it is, 30, 60 days. But he wrote the wrong number.

He, instead of like 180, he wrote 90 or something. I don't remember.

Like it gets to the end of the month and she's out of pills. They're calling the doctor and the doctor's like, what's going on? They're like, I don't know what's happening to someone stealing her pills. So there's this fear in the house that someone's stealing the pills. Yeah.

So they figured out. that's not what the case was. The case was there was just a mistake. The doctor inadvertently prescribed more in terms of take three a day every day or two a day every day. But he just didn't give her enough pills to do that.

But it's but imagine your 90 year old mom is Jones. and because that's what's going on. I mean, imagine you like I got a great grandma heroin. Hey, bro, you want to come with me? Do you have your gun?

We're going to get grandma heroin. Like, are you fucking crazy? Imagine that thought. No one would think that that when we were kids, no one would think that was normal. Mike, I got to get my grandma heroin.

She's uncomfortable.

they were sending this stuff out. Your child's having trouble sleeping. Put a little liquid morphine on a blanket and let him suck on it. This was happening like our grandparents were around for this.

These cute girls, would come into your office. You're a doctor in, you know, some Midwestern town. And in comes this beautiful girl with a brochure that says Oxycontin, the one to start with, the one to stay with. And you've never heard of it. So you just start, you know.

And here's the thing about Oxycontin. Have you ever taken an Oxycontin?

Try it. Took it. It was fantastic. Oh, my God. It was like being dropped in a vat of warm honey.

That's how I best describe it. And I'm like, holy shit. Get this away from me. Right? Like, it works.

Heroin works. We've talked to people who have done heroin and they describe the feeling, the actual moment of the high. Okay.

Yes. It's a powerful experience. If you've got horrific pain and you take an Oxycontin or a Fentanyl, it's probably going to make that pain go away. And you're going to feel really good for a little while. Right?

For a little while. And then you're not going to feel so good.

But I could easily see how – and look, the Sacklers knew this. They all knew how powerful that product was. And they knew that. if I put it in you, you're going to feel, as they say, as Richard Sackler says, life is about running away from pain towards pleasure. If you feel pain, that's, right, the human condition is we want to stay away from pain.

Yeah. Anything. to feel no pain and to feel good. Yeah. And so he knew he had this miracle, because any pain, whether it's physical, emotional, psychic pain that you're feeling, this little pill is going to turn that off.

And you're going to feel like you've been dropped into a vat of warm honey for a little while. And then that honey starts to turn into battery acid and it starts to, like, burn.

Because what would a demon do? If you were a demonic entity and you wanted to steal lives and souls, would you just go around just pulling people out of their house with a pitchfork and being, like, obvious about it? Or would you do it through a really evil, sociopathic person who decides that they're just going to manipulate this system and ruin countless lives? I mean, how many people have been affected by this? I don't know what the numbers are.

Do you?

Although I don't know what the full Ukraine body count numbers are.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's like heroin was reserved for the people that were just not coming back. You know, every now and then someone would do cocaine or something like that.

And if, you know, you had a wild friend, he knew how to get mushrooms. But heroin, nobody was like, yeah, let's go try heroin. Like, but now, when you look at those numbers from the introduction of OxyContin into now, how many people have died from that compound? It's fucking insane.

Yeah. And, you know, as a father, one of my biggest, biggest fears was, God forbid, my child should ever experience addiction, because I've seen what that does to a parent. Yeah. To have to ride that chaotic roller coaster of childhood drug addiction and try everything you can to keep your kids safe and find that this pill has taken a hold of their soul, like you said, like a demon. And, you know, sometimes death is almost preferred.

Yeah. That's what's so fucked up.

And then you've got, like, people try to buy, like, street Xanax that has fentanyl in it. Yeah. Or street cocaine has fentanyl. We lost a bunch of comics in LA recently.

It's in the news all the time. Athletes, singers, you know, someone fucks up and takes the wrong dose and they're dead. And I believe what happened with Tom Petty was he got off stage, and I think he had some sort of an injury, and he got a pill from one of the guys who was, like, a sound guy.

Wow.

And the other, I think, big part of the story that surprised me was the FDA, right? The FDA's role in opioid approvals. And in the case of OxyContin, you know, we think about, like, the FDA as this big, giant, bureaucratic organization. And, you know, you think we were talking about stem cells a little bit earlier. Yeah.

That if you want to get an approval for a drug, you know, well, okay, you've got to send it to the FDA. And it's going to be reviewed by this massive board of scientists and experts. And they're going to make a determination after careful analysis, right? That's not how it works. And in the case of OxyContin, the whole approval process came down to this one guy.

This guy named Curtis Wright. And Curtis Wright, when Purdue Pharma needed the FDA to approve, they'd spent $30 million developing this drug. The whole business of drug developing is fascinating. But they were all in, and they needed this drug to keep the company alive. They needed the FDA to approve it.

And this guy was like, I can't approve this. This is heroin in a pill. No. And they kept trying to get him to approve it, and they kept trying to get it. And they started trying to, like, pump his ego up.

They started writing articles with him. They started trying to, you know, schmooze him and charm him. He wouldn't approve it. Finally, and no one knows the facts, they took him to a hotel on the East Coast. Purdue Pharma took Curtis Wright of the FDA, spent a couple of days in this hotel room.

They came out of the hotel room with an approval, with the language, OxyContin, quote, is believed to be non-addictive. Is believed. If you think about that language, it had never been used in an approval process before, ever. Made no sense. Is believed.

Not is not, but is believed to not be addictive. A year later, he leaves the FDA, where he's making probably 50 grand a year. Where does he go work?

Purdue Pharma. For 400 plus thousand dollars a year. They bought the approval.

All of it. Like jet water sports. Whether they spray your house down with sandblasting. Like just the crazy. And we wrote it like this just Faustian orgy of absolute decadence.

And the lawyers called. And they're like, are you fucking kidding? We can't do this. So we just shut the door. Oh, wow.

I think it's episode three, that that's it. But he took a job. I mean, like I was saying earlier, I'm not big on, you know, conspiracies. Maybe, maybe not. I heard you were talking about, you know, Kennedy being potentially killed by the CIA.

I don't know.

And like, and we're like, we're just fifth grade kids trying to, like, you know, learn about George Washington or whatever. And she's like, do you understand the ballistics? don't line up? And it's all she would talk about. So we'd come home and my, all we would talk about with our parents.

and our parents would like call the school and be like, like, is this woman, like this teacher? Like, what's she insane? Like, why are my kids only learning about the magic bullet?

It's wild things happen, especially when you're 22.. But when the problem with that bullet is, first of all, they found it on the gurney. Like how fucking convenient. Second of all, I believe there's more fragments, metal fragments that were in Connelly's wrist than are missing from this bullet. Right.

And the bullet looks pristine. It looks like a bullet that you shot through water. Anybody that shoots things with guns knows that when bullets hit bones, they distort. That's, that's part of, unless it's a steel jacketed, you know, like armor piercing round. That's what it looked like.

I mean, that's just bonkers.

I think for sure he knew what was going on. He seemed to have been some sort of an operative. He went back and forth to Russia. There's a lot, but that conspiracy, it's like, I don't know. We're talking 1963..

I don't, you know, but there's conspiracies today that are real. And this Sackler family is one of the best examples of one that was enormously successful. And worked on multiple levels. And this story about getting this regulator to approve it by putting him in a hotel for two weeks. How the fuck is that not illegal?

Like, how is that not illegal?

And they like, they kind of went after him. Oh, wow. And I was like, they're like, what do you say? What do you have to say about the show? What do you think?

And he like got in his car and wouldn't talk. And then they just interviewed the local police chief for this town in New Hampshire. Who said, well, we had no idea that this guy's living in our town. I want to take him on a tour of our morgue and our cemeteries and show him, show him. I think you'll find Curtis Wright if you look him up.

That'll get us the approval. And you're good. We're going to make you good. And here we are.

Right. So think about it. You own Purdue Pharma. You either buy or control medical journals that write favorable articles about your products, about your drugs. So in the case of OxyContin, there was a small, small, like almost, a letter to the editor written about OxyContin being less than 1% addictive.

In a medical journal, which sounds like official and like, okay, well, damn, Joe is in the medical journal. Right. Let's go. But these are controlled by drug companies. And they're not legit.

It's fake news. It's real fake news. And it's all part of the ecosystem of selling drugs. And these are the big drug dealers. Like we talk about Chapo or Pablo Escobar.

You know, Eric Newman, my buddy, who was the exec producer on this, he produced Narcos and went deep on Pablo Escobar. And he's like, when he, when he first said you want to do this, he's like, these are the real drug dealers. Like these are the drug dealers putting up the real numbers. And they're the drug dealers who put their name on museums like the Metropolitan, the Guggenheim, the Louvre in Paris. These are like, these are the big time hard-hitting drug dealers.

It's a massive wing. And you go in there, it says the Sackler Wing. And you go in there and there's parents running around with their kids. The last time I was there, I saw a guy get on his hands and knees and propose. And it's just this happy, joyful room built on Oxycontin.

And two, three months ago, they took the name down. They finally took the name down.

It was a fascinating story that Nobel was the inventor of dynamite. It's almost like an Oppenheimer situation. I didn't know that. And the story is that someone ran a false obituary. They thought he died.

And they called him a merchant of death. The great merchant of death is gone. This guy, Nobel, who invented dynamite. And at that moment he realized, fuck, this is how I'm going to be known. This is going to be my legacy, the merchant of death.

He took a huge chunk of his fortune and started the Nobel Peace Prize. So when you hear the name Nobel, you don't think about dynamite, right? He invented dynamite. Hand grenades and howitzer rounds and munitions. That was all Nobel.

Now you're just like, oh, my God, Barack Obama just won. Dalai Lama just won. Martin Luther King won. This guy made it off of dynamite.

Let's donate to multiple medical schools. Get our names on medical schools all around the country. Let's throw our name up on the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Guggenheim,

the Louvre in Paris. They were putting their names on anything they could. There was a bridge in London that one of the Sacklers, the Sackler Bridge, like just anything to take your eye off the ball. And so to me, whether they end up paying $6 billion or $16 billion, yeah, that's real. That's deserved money.

But I think the bigger issue is the name, the evisceration of the name is in deep process right now.

I can't imagine the Sacklers going to jail. But I think worse than jail is the fact that the name is now done. Yeah. And that hurts, because this, this was a family that was all about the legacy.

You're in a small town in New Hampshire. And then they find you when the series comes out.

Right. Like we all do that. Like, I mean, we justify our, our, our behaviors, but we don't engage in behavior like that. But we, whatever we do, we justify it. And I wonder how much it hurts.

You know, like, we tried to contact Richard Sackler several times during the early. He used to live here in Austin and we couldn't find him. He has a house here in Austin still. But how, how it feels. You know, there's never been a moment where there's been any kind of accountability, where, you know, Richard Sackler comes out and says, OK, OK, look, I am really fucking sorry.

Let's just start with that. I am so sorry that this has happened. I'm so sorry for the pain, like, and I can't undo it. But I want to first acknowledge that. I'm sorry.

I made some really bad decisions. I thought I thought I was helping people. I wasn't. I didn't. There was never been.

And I think that's where the anger comes from. So much of it.

You've lost so much and you've lost so much money. Your reputation is destroyed. And if you look at there's like a 12 hour disposition, deposition, Sackler, that that we recreate some of in the show. And the guy is just an ice brick, like he offers nothing. There's no humanity there.

And obviously his lawyers were advising him. Yes. And he can't say a lot. But you want to.

But I have to believe that they didn't intend for that. Then the ball got rolling. Then the money started coming in. Then it all got completely out of control. And by the time they realized how bad it was, they couldn't apologize, obviously.

And, and they they were. they were boxed in by legal advice. But somewhere you're looking for some indication of like, look, ma'am, I am so sorry your son died. Not, not, I'm sorry, your son died, but your son was a drug addict. An instant deflection.

Right. That's just right. That's rough. That's rough.

They do not care if other people are hurt. They don't do not care about people's feelings. They only care about themselves. There are people like that out there in the world. They're amongst us.

And I don't know what the number is. I think it's like one percent or something. Is it something like that? Or is that schizophrenics? I think sociopaths is probably even higher than that.

Like, and some of it is gotta be, because how you were treated when you were young. Some of it has got to be nurture. Yeah. But I wonder how much of its nature. I wonder how much is?

your wires are crossed wrong. And you just don't give a fuck about other people. It's totally possible. I mean, you look at like Jeffrey Dahmer. His parents seem to be normal.

They didn't seem to abuse him. He didn't have like some horrific childhood where he was, you know, tortured. It's like what makes a person like that? I don't fucking know, man. But when you see it, it's so confusing.

Like that Sackler guy in your show. It's like when you're watching him say what he says, like, how does a person like this exist?

Real but extreme version of that. Right. But like how many times do you kind of come across someone who's who's maybe not killing people or engaged in a lethal career. But you're like, whoa, that dude doesn't seem reachable. I don't.

I don't know what's going on there. Like, I'm trying to have some sort of human connection. But this dude is just like, you know, and I've met many people generally who organize their lives strictly around making money. Like money is money is the prize. Money is the art.

And I kind of I'm like. Hello. Yeah.

But it chilled me. I can, Bush. Look, this is Bush, too. And he's like, I looked into his eyes and I didn't see a soul.

he said, I thought I saw a soul. In 95, Bush later regretted saying this. Yes. How about that?

He just said he's regretted it, according to. I was not able to get a sense of his soul. I did not see the relentless ambition when I looked into Putin. Look, Putin in the eye 27 years ago. But then I was not able to get a sense of his soul.

OK.

And I've gone there twice for film promotions. And the people were so nice. The food was fantastic. The architecture. I mean, walking through Red Square.

I loved it. I loved the culture.

And it's too bad.

And the architecture in Russia is so different than anywhere else. The Moscow architecture is so beautiful. And so unique. Uniquely Russian. You know, it's really fantastic stuff.

I mean, but it's, like, the political aspect of it. It's so terrifying, man, that we're, like, this close to a nuclear war. God damn, it scares the fuck out of me. Yes, sir. And I always wonder if the same sort of decision-making apparatus that exists in pushing through OxyContin also exists in pushing through wars, also exists in pushing through just things that, like, morally, we would all say these are terrible, terrible things.

We should all agree on this. And to be able to convince large groups of people to engage with them, because you're the leader.

And they're amazing. Like, you know, it never ceases to amaze me that, like, many of our greatest creative accomplishments, are these weapons systems, right? Like, you've been on an aircraft carrier before? Yes. Or, you know, witnessed the awe and spectacle of those planes, right?

It's incredible. And we were filming on a carrier in Pearl Harbor, and the subs kept coming in and out. And they're these massive, sleek—they look, like, you know, sharks, and they're cruising slow, and they dock in.

And they're just awesome, and they're massive, and they're full of people. And it's just all, like, the most, like, technical, high-tech shit you've ever seen in your life. And they're like, this is the navigation room. This is where we control the sub. And they're showing me the equipment.

I'm like, how much does this equipment cost? And they're like, well, we can't really tell you, but it's between $50 and $100 million for this area of the sub. And then they take me past the nuclear reactors, where there's armed guys guarding the nuclear reactors because they're propelled by nukes. And I'm like, well, how much does it—we can't tell you, right? And then they get you into the torpedo rooms where there's these massive torpedoes, dozens of them.

And you're like, how much do these things cost? Ah, we can't tell you. We can't tell you. Then they take you to the fucking missile room where there's 10 missiles, okay? Missiles that have nuclear warheads that can go on them, right?

Sir, how much do these cost? Well, we can't tell you that. Then you start looking up the prices, right? And you figure for a nuclear missile with the warhead and the guidance system and all the propulsion, you've got to be looking at least $30 million. That's my guess.

What do you think? a nuclear missile, armed and loaded costs? I have no idea. I'm going to say $30 million minimum.

Say it's $500 million worth of missiles. on one sub. I'm looking. I can see eight subs docked in Pearl Harbor. So now there's 10 times eight.

There's 80 missiles in my visual at 500 a missile. And these are just the subs I can see. So I'm thinking, well, wait a minute. If one of these subs fires one missile, we're fucked. We're done.

The world is probably over. One missile goes. We've got at least 80 of them. that I can see. How many people are making money off of this game?

Where's the money going that we have to keep putting? loading these submarines with nuclear missiles? One of which is going to get it done. That's not, then, including all the missiles that are in the silos. Right.

All the missiles that are flying 24-7 in planes and bombs like we are loaded up. Good. Right. We got enough. Yet we keep making more.

And this is, you know, like Purdue Pharma. These companies. And now it's all turning into like AI-controlled drones. Right. That are going to be like the new forefront of the weapon systems, where all the money is going to go.

But I was thinking, like, what would happen if you took two of these subs and took them offline and built, I don't know, schools? What would happen? Would we threat? Would our national security be threatened? I don't know.

Would our country be better off? I don't know. All the money. All the money is going into the military. And that's, I support the military.

You know, I've done multiple films about our troops. And I understand. I've been to Iraq with the SEAL platoon. I know, you know, I've had a front row seat to the reality of what these men and women are going through. This kind of spending, it seems to me to be a bit reckless.

It's the same kind of thing. Like there's decisions that get made specifically because of money. That's really scary for us, because we want to think that if we have a leader, we trust someone to be a leader. We have this thought in our head that this is our chief, right? This is the best warrior.

This is the wisest person that's lived the longest and the best to govern us. We would never want to believe that someone that he appoints and that's in that chain involved in running all these people. He's making decisions that will absolutely cost lives and souls. People will be destroyed, but they're making these decisions because of money.

and you decide that you want to reduce spending in the military. So say there's a jet program, F-35, or some massive jet program that's costing a shitload of money and you want to try and slow it down. What they do is they build different parts of the aircraft in different states. So there might be 30 states that are all contributing to making one weapon system. So if you try and dismantle it, you've got the representatives from 30 different states saying you can't do it.

We've got a factory that's making the guidance system. We've got a factory that's arming the ordnance on the missiles. We're doing the landing gear. And the weapons are now part of the economy and they can't be divorced from it. And the spending just goes on.

I get it. OK, fine. Let's do it. It's just a lot of money, you know, and I can't help but think like who's making money.

One hundred and twenty two billion more than CBO's 2021 estimate for the 2021 to 2030 period.

Sorry, guys, we underestimated by one hundred and twenty two billion B61 nuke.

that's to be at thirty seven hundred nukes. Let's round it off to three thousand five hundred. Imagine three thousand five hundred nuclear missiles launching through the air. The horrors of that. One of those is eighty three Hiroshima bombs.

Three Hiroshima bombs. That's like. this is the issue. Like, holy. Yeah.

A sub that runs on a nuclear reactor.

Yeah. Makes sense.

This is crazy that they develop a nuclear powered underwater weapon that is designed to deliver.

That is wild. Wild. To be that young. You're holding a machine gun on a nuclear powered tank.

You run that. Like. we talk about power, like what we think of power. And, you know, that's a crazy job. Dana White has a tough job.

I know they work. I mean, but do you remember? there was a Russian one that went down? There was a nuclear sub that went down. And that's where the term can neither confirm nor deny.

That's when it was because they had to answer. So they had to have an answer. It's like, is this going on? You guys retrieving a nuclear sub from Russia? So, because they had to answer, I don't think they have to answer now, but they had to come up with a phrase.

Can neither confirm nor deny. Yeah. What was that about? Which sub was that? I think they allegedly recovered it, which is crazy.

So we have the ability to recover a nuclear sub at the bottom of the ocean. What the hell, man?

That was beautiful. That was like the most elite team training and discipline and structure I'd ever seen. So, on a human level, what I observed with a group like the SEALs was such an incredibly advanced form of team behavior. Then, when you get into this stuff, have you ever seen an Apache helicopter up close? No.

So these pilots for Apache helicopters, we use some in Lone, they're wearing, they're like, these helicopters pull up and they're just incredible looking pieces of equipment. And these 22 year old kids are flying them and they've got a helmet with a mask and they call it slaving the ship to the goggles. So they, they, they activate the goggles so that wherever they turn, the helicopter turns. And where they're, they've got eye sensors. So where their eyes go, the guns go, right?

So you look at it, you kill it. And we're, they're giving us these demonstrations and they're flying them all around the set. And I'm like, okay, I've seen the pyramids. I've seen the Notre Dame Cathedral in France. I've, I've seen a lot of Van.

Gogh's. They're beautiful. I saw the Mona Lisa. That was great. Seeing this fucking helicopter turning as the guy's head turns with the weapon systems.

I'm like, who's building cooler shit than this? Like, like, yes, it wins. It wins. It is our greatest achievement. These weapons of death.

They're incredible.

Infinite universe. I'm sorry, infinite universe.

Smoke some 5-MeO and you'll go out there, right? Right. And like, yes, it's out there. The government, keeping it secret and being that capable to find it and keep it secret, I don't know.

I took mushrooms with my friend Mike Gregorio and we tried to get on Area 51 one day and we drove up there.

And we're like, oh, fuck. Okay, good. Like, this is kind of what we thought might happen. And sure enough, guys get out, military dudes with guns. And they're looking at us like, okay, you guys are on mushrooms, right?

We've seen this. We've seen this. Turn around. It's so common. Turn around.

That's hilarious.

They had to acknowledge the existence – or it might have been Bush, rather. They had to acknowledge the existence of Area 51 in order to expand the forbidden zone. Yeah. Because they had a forbidden zone, but they did not acknowledge it.

Whether or not these things were UFOs or whether it's top-secret shit they're working on. Obviously, the stealth bomber came from that program.

Because if he's full of shit, oh my God, what a great story. This guy's pulled the wool over people's eyes for 30 years. Right. Because he told the story in, like, 1989 was the first time he told it. So it's more than 30 years.

But he's also – he has, like, real knowledge of the area. He has real knowledge of Los Alamos Labs, where they tried to say that he never worked there, but then they found him on the employee roster. from the time. He went in there. People knew him.

Like, it seems like the guy really was a propulsion specialist. And they really did try to get some off-the-fucking-beaten-path scientists. Like, let's take – because they have to get fresh eyes on these things, allegedly, every few years. They bring in – but everyone's sworn to secrecy, and it's very compartmentalized. So the metallurgy guys are not allowed to talk to the propulsion guys.

The propulsion – no one gets together and goes, what the fuck is this? Like, they can't have a group of – so they exist in a team form, and it just doesn't work that way. They need more people. And he said no one was able to figure out anything about it other than there's some sort of a reactor that worked on some new element. It was theoretical back then, but now they know it's a real element.

It might be that we – the government and the military and the contractors don't want any of our enemies to know that they have some fucking bonker shit that can go literally, like, the speed of light.

But across the street, or actually across this river from where Oppenheimer lived, is now the current Los Alamos Research Laboratory. Pull up a picture of that one if you want to see something mind-blowing. It's bigger than UCLA campus. It's this massive research facility in Los Alamos, which, and you can't see half of it. It's supposedly a giant chunk of it is underground.

It's completely armed. We would drive. There's a road. That road. at the top there is an access road that we would drive every day to go up.

There's a ski mountain above it. So for some reason they let you drive fairly close, but it's all Homeland Security protecting it, super fortified and armed, and it's in the middle of fucking nowhere. And this was birthed from, yeah, you can see where it is, right? It's in the middle of nowhere.

It's nuclear maintenance. It's alien dissection. It is like, forget Area 51.. This place was like, so, if we're inventing shit, this is the kind of place we're inventing it. And we went out a couple of days to these, there's some restaurants and bars in the town of Los Alamos.

And I'm like, if I'm China, I'm just hiring, I'm hiring hot girls, getting them to turn and putting them as bartenders or cocktail waitresses. Because all the scientists from Los Alamos just go there after work and get drunk. That's where everything's going down. Wow. Like you've got it like.

But like, this is, all, was all started by Oppenheimer. Wow. Every, the whole.

I'm working on another. Our wives have no idea what's going on. We're going out and building the bomb all day and coming home and just like drinking. They all drank. And like, I think there was like a lot of wife swapping and weird shit going on too.

They were just partying and building fucking nuclear bombs. Jesus. And now you go out there and see what this, and it's just like, I just want to know what are we doing? How much does it cost? And who's in charge?

And Los Alamos now. So, so, if there is those systems, in my mind, if there was an alien ship found the government wanted, they're going to take it to Los Alamos. That's where they're going to take it. That's where they're going to dissect it. And whatever's going on out.

there is some deep and real shit.

1902 is around when they credit them for flying.

That's when they got the patent.

I'll double check.

There's film of it. So it has to be. When did they invent film? There's some stuff from the 1800s. But it's rough.

what else do they-?

Self-flown, the way Elon's trying to get self-driving vehicles. This is the plan. Great article yesterday. And that's where it's going. And if Orville Wright could see that-.

Like AI is going to be fighting our wars. And like, you know, when-.

Yeah. I get fucking so terrified when I watch those Boston Dynamic videos of those robots that they're inventing.

You ever been to campus at MIT? Yes. Fucking cool, right? Yeah.

We got to film on the campus. We're the first film, Patriot's Day, because one of the MIT cops was killed by the Marathon Bombers. They killed him after the bombing. And so they wanted to honor him, and they let us film there. And they took us down to the robotics wing and showed us a robot cheetah that they had invented, that was sprinting up and down the halls and jumping over little obstacles.

And I'm like, what?

to Hiroshima in terms of aircraft. 50 years, that technology, that was what they were doing with the cheetah. Oh, this one. Is that MIT?

Wow, that fucker.