#2083 - Taylor Sheridan
2024-01-04 03:38:52
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What's happening, brother? How you doing, man?
Thanks for doing this, man.
Man, thanks for having me.
Dude, listen, man, I've been a fan of your work for a while. First thing I ever saw that you did was Hell or High Water, but going through the... My friend Andrew Schultz turned me on to Yellowstone. I got a text message from him, once, like, one o'clock in the morning, like, dude, Yellowstone, have you seen it? Like, no, everybody's watching it, should I watch it?
He's like, dude, watch it. So I got into Yellowstone, and it goes like, Yellowstone is fucking great, but 1923 is better. But 1883, holy shit, and on your recommendation, I finished it last night. I was up till 1.30 in the morning, I didn't sleep. I went to bed at like 4, because I was just laying around my house, just thinking about it, just going, what the fuck, man?
I don't think anybody has ever nailed that time period like you did. There's nothing close. There's nothing, even in the fucking ballpark. Nothing.
Well, thanks. You know, the reason I chose to do this for a living,
I was off to my third college. I was going to go flunk out of, and right before I left, I'd read Lonesome Dove, you know, Murtry's book, and then I saw the miniseries with Duvall and Tommy Lee, and I said, I want to do that. I don't know what that is, but that's what I want to do. Wow. So I started as an actor first, because I thought that's what it was, and then I realized I'm not doing that.
I'm not creating a story. And then finally, you know, I got the conus to quit and write my own. But, yeah, 1883 was me. Yellowstone's, the punk rock me. There's a fair amount of – it has no plot, really.
You know, don't take my land. I want your land. Right. And in that, I have a lot of opportunities to poke fun, but also kind of point out different points of views and kind of really study a way of life in a world. But there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it.
It's not surprising that critics hate it, because it's designed for them to hate.
Critics hate what? They hate Yellowstone?
And confound it by its success. Oh, God. They can't get their heads around. why. There's been – New York Times has done multiple, multiple articles where they're doing, like, this essay on how is this shit so popular.
Oh, God. That's so funny. It's so funny that they don't get it.
1883 was me grown up, saying, like, hey, let's take a look back at history. Yeah. Let's look at us and who us is, as far as the Europeans who settled this place. And let's not argue about whether they should or shouldn't have. Let's just look at what the hell they went through to do it.
Critics are less relevant today than at any time in human history. They really are. They're off so much more than they're on. Yeah, agreed. And most people don't buy into it at all.
Like, if you look at the – like, a perfect example is one of Dave Chappelle's specials. The critics score was, like, 3% on Rotten Tomatoes, and then the public score was 97%.
Yeah.
Like, that's all you need to know.
That's all my shows.
Who the fuck are you? Like, who are these people? Who are these people that are critics?
I have a show called Mayor of Kingstown, which is all about literally the decay of an American city. I think it was 21% on Rotten Tomatoes and 94% audience rating. Of course.
And I just don't understand why they're still employed. I mean, what is the purpose that they serve, other than speaking to other completely disconnected, supposedly highbrow people that live in congested urban areas?
Yeah, and I think also that critics – and I don't know why – but they seem to feel a need to judge any project by what it – how is it? looking at the lens through today's new question, morality? How is –? what should we be making movies about? And you can make a shitty movie about something that they support, and they're going to support that movie.
But that's not my job. My job as a storyteller is to pick a world and look through the window and not judge it and go, hey, here's what it was. Yeah. And here's the decision some people made. And, you know, for me, you know, the holy grail as a storyteller is entertain, educate, and enlighten.
Don't give anybody answers. Just lots of questions to think about. That's my job, because I can't stand to pay money and have somebody preach to me their ideas. That's the fastest way to get me out of – that's the reason I hated Forrest Gump, and I don't mean to say that. I'm going to catch all this shit.
But this doddering, fucking idiot is the only guy that can figure out the world. Everybody else around him, he's just going to go on a fucking run across America, and everyone's going to follow him, and that's going to heal the country. I just was like, what is this shit?
Well, I think back then it was just – it was novel because it was – the idea was like the – like it could be so much simpler that this simple guy could figure it out and that we're all so disconnected from the solutions.
The irony is you couldn't make that movie today. Oh, no way. Because someone would be too offended at the portrayal of Forrest's character.
Well, my favorite movie that you can never make today is Tropic Thunder.
Oh.
It's a fucking great movie. I'm so glad they haven't banned it. Like they've done so many books. And Tom Hanks, like if you go and watch his portrayal of Forrest Gump, it's nothing compared to the way they do like that simple Jack character in Tropic Thunder.
And when he says he'd never go full retard, like you, can't even say that word anymore.
No, but if you look at that movie, which was designed to offend but also ridicule us taking ourselves too seriously, that's one of our jobs.
Yes.
It's hey, we're all taking ourselves way too seriously. And if we can make light of this and make jokes about this, then all of a sudden it won't feel so serious and we can be reflective.
Well, what's happened in your business has happened in my business too, the business of comedy. Like comedy movies, are dead. They've essentially killed the genre. All the movies that we grew up loving, like all the movies, like something about Mary and, you know, fucking you go down the line all the way down to Animal House. You can never make any of those movies anymore.
And, and to go one step further, comedians since Lenny Bruce, these guys, men and women whose job it was to push the envelope as far as it can be pushed to help us. look at ourselves. And you think of the greats, like the great comics, Bill Hicks, Eddie Murphy, Sam Kenison. I mean, Robin Williams. And and you look at their, at their acts.
Hell, look at, look at what's her name before she did a talk show, Joan Rivers.
Yeah.
None of their acts would be socially acceptable today. And and I don't know that they were socially acceptable then, but that was their job. Richard Pryor. He couldn't say 90 percent of what he said.
Yeah.
But but you need people to sit there and push those boundaries, because art to one person, defensive to another. But you got to have it. You got to have it all.
Yeah. We say, you know, in the comedy world, we say we're the last line of defense, because this is where the woke meets the wall. The woke meets the wall. with stand up comedy. This you can't have woke comedy.
It sucks. It's impossible. You can't like, always punch up and cater to everybody. And it's like, no, it's. that's not what's funny.
What's funny is the fucking weird things that people do and all of our hypocrisies and all of our contradictions and all the chaos about being a human being. And if you want to never make fun of marginalized groups, or never make fun of protected classes, or never make fun of anybody that's downtrodden or disassociated or disaffected, you can't do that. You can't. That's, that's not stand up comedy. Stand up comedy has to be everything.
It has to be everything that's funny, regardless of whether or not it's socially acceptable to make fun of those things.
And I think that we need to. It's healing to laugh, right? It's healing to. And, by the way, if we're going to talk about race relations, who are some of the people that help push that, who help people understand how you felt on? how in the world, when I'm 14 years old, am I supposed to know how it feels to be African-American in L.A.?
How am I going to know that growing up in a small town in Texas? But then you see a comic who's from South Central L.A. make jokes about me, make jokes about living there. And you get some understanding of it. Yeah, you have some empathy.
You have some, some knowledge.
Well, we're in a weird time where everybody has a say and I don't think everybody should be able to talk. It's like I mean, everybody should be able to talk. But through social media that gets just broadcast in mass to the world and you get these groups of people that they huddle up in these fucking echo chambers. This episode is brought to you by Circuit of the Americas. It's almost time for racing here in Austin, Texas, with the United States Grand Prix taking place this October 18th to 20th.
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I think we have what's happening right now, and it's privilege. It's from a coddled, this is the wealthiest nation, society in the history of civilization.
And people are so coddled that they have confused feelings with rights. And your feelings being hurt is a violation of your rights, and it's not. You do not have a right to never be offended.
It's worse than that. They've confused hurting your feelings with violence. They literally could say words or violence.
Disagreeing with someone is violence.
You've never seen real violence, then. You're talking nonsense. Somebody said something once, and I've repeated it many times, but it's a great thing to say. The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Even if the worst thing that's ever happened to you, you got a flat tire.
Oh, my God. If you had a bunch of shit happening and you get a flat tire, like, I guess I got to change my tire. It's no big deal. But if you're living this fucking sheltered life, and the worst thing that's ever happened is you're a dude in a dress and someone misgenders you. You know, like, oh, my God, this is violence.
Like, no, this is not violence. You're a fucking guy in a dress, and it's confusing, man. It's fucking confusing. If you want me to call you a girl, I'll call you a girl. But this is confusing.
This is fucking confusing. This is not violence.
The other thing is, they'll say now, if you disagree with someone, you're phobic. Yeah. When a phobia is an irrational fear of something.
Right.
So disagreeing is not an irrational fear. It's disagreement. Right. And we've reached a point to where people won't, they can't even have a conversation because someone's going to sit there and scream. As soon as you hear violence or you hear, then the conversation's over.
Right.
You're racist. You're transphobic. You're homophobic. Whatever you are, conversation's over. They've minimalized everything.
They've marginalized your position. It's interesting. It's terrible. for comedy movies, though. It's really fun.
for comedy, though. For stand-up comedy, it's actually fun.
Are they running with it?
Oh, my God, we're having a great time. It's like what my friend Ari said at best. He said, this is a really great time for comedy, because comedy's dangerous again. Because comedy didn't used to be dangerous a long time. There's a lot of shock comics that were kind of, they were saying things just to be shocking, you know.
And I certainly did that earlier in my career. And now, like, if you have a position to defend, if you're going to go out on a limb, you're going to make fun of something that's dangerous. You've got to have that shit tight. It's got to be good. It's got to be roarious.
Huge laughs. It has to be something where people go, oh, shit, I can't. Like, Dave Chappelle's the best example of that. When he goes after something, whatever it is, it's just so goddamn funny that, even though it's supposed to be something you're not supposed to talk about, it's so good that everybody has to back off, except the critics, of course.
But what makes Chappelle so good and so funny is he's going to say things that, from a point of view, is true. Like, it's rooted in some logic. Yeah. And he's smarter than about anyone who's going to oppose him. And he's thought through his position so completely.
He can defend it. You can disagree with it.
Yeah.
But you can't say he doesn't have an opinion and it's not grounded in facts or at least well thought out ideas.
Yeah, he's hammering that shit out every night, too. He's a fascinating guy. The way he's doing it. He literally will fly into a city. He doesn't even book shows.
He flies into cities and just shows up at clubs and goes on after the show's over. Really? Yeah. Or pops in in the middle of a show. Like, he's done it to me before.
I was in Denver once and he just showed up. I got off stage and I went into the green room and I go, what's up? What are you doing, man? He goes, oh, hey, Joe. And I go, what are you doing here, man?
And he goes, I knew you was in town. I thought I'd stop by. I go, you want to go up? He goes, should I? I go, fuck, yeah.
So I literally went out and stopped the audience. Everyone's leaving. The show was over. They were already paying their tab, going home. And I go, yell at everybody on the stairs.
Tell them to come back. Dave Chappelle's here. And the whole audience came back in. And that's how he works things out. So he just goes around and just fucks around and then slowly hammers these bits out until he gets them to this bulletproof form.
And then he puts them out on a special. Wow. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun time for stand-up comedy.
But it's literally the only thing that you can do without a committee. Because if you're going to do a movie, you're going to have to have actors. You're going to have to have writers. You're going to have to have executives, studio heads, all this shit. There's a lot of people that have their say in what's happening, or at least have a conversation about it.
There's no conversation. With stand-up, it's literally just you. It's one person. How do I make fun of this? What is my angle on this?
And then you work it out. You put it together. And then you present it in front of people. And if they laugh, it's good. And if they don't laugh, it's not good.
And you've got to figure out how to make it work.
Now, that's about the ballsiest art form. It's just pure. Pure all along.
Yeah, it's pure. I love it. And my club out here, what I also love is we make everybody put their phones in a bag. So, instead of fucking, taking pictures of everything and filming everything, just be there. Just be there.
Put that goddamn thing away. The phone's locked up in a yonder bag. The phone's off. Just experience a human moment. Have a good time.
I know a couple of guys that went to your club last night. They called me. I'm driving up today. They said, have you been to his club? I said, not yet.
They said, and they're from L.A., an agent from L.A. He said, they say things in there. you can't say in L.A.
Comedy.
I said, was it funny? He said, it was hilarious. Funniest thing I've ever seen. Every one of them.
Yeah. Well, that's what it's supposed to be. And Louis C.K. said, we built an Alamo. That's what he said.
He said, essentially, because you've built the comedy Alamo. He goes, we're in a war with the cyber world. And he goes, and you built us an Alamo. Wow. Yeah.
But when I came out here, and there wasn't really a comedy club, and all these other comedians were moving out here, because this was the only place we could do stand-up. It was during the pandemic. Right. It was like all the pieces fell together perfectly. It was like the universe opened up door after door, at every step.
And then, all of a sudden, we're here. And there was like 15 of us. And we're working in these little rock and roll clubs and EDM clubs. And we're doing sold-out shows. And the rest of the country is completely shut down.
You can't even do stand-up indoors. And they all heard about Austin, that we're all out here. And then Ron White's like, you've got to open up a club. And so I was like, okay. Let's open up a fucking club.
And then we bought this building and started. We actually had a building that we bought before. that was owned by a cult. Really? Yeah.
There's a documentary on the cult called Holy Hell. You should watch it. It's pretty crazy. This guy came from West Hollywood. And right after Waco, when the cult awareness network started cracking down all these cults, after Waco burned down and the feds killed everybody, they moved out to Austin.
The cult member, the cult leader, changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater so he could dance in front of his followers. And that was the theater I bought. Just started clubbing. Wow. Yeah.
So my cousins were the federal marshals in Waco. Oh, wow. And they had told the ATF. They said, we were just there three days ago. Like, they can be whatever they are, but they're permitted up.
And they were driving down I-35.. And he looked up and saw these three choppers. And he knew exactly what was going on. And by the time he got to the Koresh compound, those guys had already been killed.
But he knew David. And he went up to the, oh, maybe it was a week or two later. I can't remember how long they held up in there. But he said, let me just go talk to Koresh and see if I can get any of these women and kids out. And he did.
And he walked up, knocked on the front door, and took like 30 of them out. Wow. Before they just torched that place.
Yeah, they did torch that place. And they denied doing it, too. There's video footage of the tank.
The tank driving right, oh, what does?
Driving in and shooting flames into the buildings. And they just fucking lit everybody on fire. Yeah. Fuck you. I don't even know what started it.
No, it was like one fed showed up. And then they got shot at. Or something happened.
Well, I know four were killed in the first, when they went to hit that place. I think like nine got shot. I know we can pull it all up and look.
Yeah.
You know, at that time, there was this big panic about militias. You know, because at the same time, you got Ruby Ridge happened right around the same time.
Right.
You had all these. And the FBI was just getting kind of, or ATF, kind of, getting spanked in spots. And they were trying to clean up their image or prevent whatever. And that was their mission du jour, was like get rid of all these militias. And, you know, surprising little overreach on the governments.
Little overreach. But also, like every cult, starts the same way. Seems like a good idea. We're going to do things right. We're going to, what's wrong with society?
Let's fix it. Let's all commune together.
Well, they all start like this. First, you need a, like a Jim Morrison adjacent, looking. Right. Wannabe rock star actor. Yes.
Right. Who's so wildly narcissistic and yet charming that he can convince some shit like, I need your wife. Yes. But I need you here to do the garden. Yes.
And then he becomes his own God. And he's going to pick a date where all this shit's going to go wrong. The world's going to end and I'm going to show you salvation. That day's going to pass. And then we need another problem until they wing that out and get a bunch of machine guns.
The guy out here, his name was Jaime Gomez. And he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. That was the guy who started. So how do you think that worked out? So one guy in like 2000 or the early 2000s sent out, he left the cult and sent out a mass email that was like, hey, this guy's been hypnotized me and fucking me for the last 10 years.
And then everybody was like, I thought it was just me. That's the guy. But when he was young, when he got old.
See what I say, look like a model.
When he was young, he was beautiful. He was beautiful. He had like a chiseled body. He was a yoga instructor. I think that's how he started.
He was an actor. He was in Rosemary's Baby. He was like an extra in Rosemary's Baby. But when he started the cult, it really just kind of started out as a yoga class. And he was very charismatic and convinced these people that there was a different way to live.
And just like that, I'm sure you've seen Wild, Wild Country. No. You've never seen that? No. Oh, my God, it's fucking amazing.
It's a Netflix series about this cult that took over a town in Oregon. Yes, I do know what that is. Yeah, and they poisoned everyone in the town. They shipped in homeless people so that they could vote. So they took homeless people and they brought them into the cult so that they would be a part of the community and they could vote.
And then they just took over the fucking town. And then, once they did that, they kicked the homeless people out. And it's a wild documentary series.
If I wrote that screenplay, people would say that it's ridiculous.
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of those.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
There's a lot of those. Well, that's the craziest thing about 1883 is that you don't have to do any dramatic embellishment. There doesn't have to be any fucking with the truth. That is literally what went down. Those people literally came here.
You were telling me on the phone that what percentage of the people that made the trek across couldn't even speak English?
You know, something like 40%.
And, of course, what our government was doing was we needed people for a multitude of reasons. after the Civil War. So many of the workforce had been killed. You know, at one point, something million soldiers died that we know of. We don't know how many other civilians.
So we needed people. We needed people to settle the West, because Manifest Destiny basically said, hey, you know, there's all this land we bought from whoever. we bought it from, France, I guess, Louisiana, Persia.
And we can't settle it because every time we try, the Lakota or the Comanche kick the shit out of us. So we should send a bunch of Central Europeans and Eastern Europeans over there and let them get in the middle of it. And so in all of these and you can, you can look up. if you were to put it into the computer, you can pull up all of these pamphlets. they would put out in ads, they would put out in newspapers in Romania and Norway.
Obviously, Ireland did it everywhere. Germany and said, come free land. Yeah, come, get your free land. And when I started researching it, you know, there were people that would come from areas where it was against the law to swim. They were not allowed to swim.
Wow. There were. no one knew how to swim.
It was against the law to swim.
It was against the law to swim.
What the fuck?
That seems so insane. What seems so insane with what really struck me. I mean, I did a lot of thinking about that show last night. Like it ended. I did my binge.
I ended the binge at like two o'clock in the morning. And, you know, at nighttime, I do some of my most fucked up thinking because everyone is asleep in my house. It's just me. And I generally do most of my writing when everyone's asleep. And I was just thinking, that's 140 years ago.
That's nothing. I'm 56 years old. when I was in high school. It was in 1983.. So that was 100 years ago.
I was a sophomore in high school. So I was. 100 years is nothing. 100 years before that, you make your way across the country on a fucking wagon and you get free land. 100 years.
That's so short a period of time. It's so hard for us to really appreciate how recent that is. And how fucking insane the change in this country over such a short period of time has been.
Meteoric.
Meteoric.
I just read something in the last day or two that, and I'm going to get it wrong, but 1937 is closer to 1984 than 2023 is to 84 or something like that. Yeah. And if you think about the gap between 1984, 2023, and then what 84 was like, I was alive, you were alive, to. now. It doesn't seem like that dramatic a change.
Obviously, there is internet, but you still had cars. You had phones. You couldn't take them with you, but you had them.
But 1937, we haven't even, we haven't even made penicillin yet.
Right. That's just 40 years. Trench warfare. Yeah. Yeah.
World War I.
No, these, these, they came over here. They didn't speak the language. They knew nothing about the land. Knew nothing about the water. Had, no, it did.
By the way, you can be rest assured. It did not say in that advertisement in the Romanian times, there's other people who already lived there who will kill you when you show up. It didn't mention any of that. They didn't hear about the Indians until they got to Galveston, and, you know, they're buying their supplies. You need a gun?
Well, what do you need a gun? Well, the Indians. The who? What are you talking about? Who are Indians?
Well, you're going to find out.
Yeah, that was a part of Empire of the Summer Moon. You know, that these folks had just established these homesteads and had no idea. And the Comanches would show up and just slaughter them. They had no idea. They had no idea that there was even a concern, and they had to figure it out along the way.
Yeah. And the, you know, and you read it in that book. And from a military standpoint, it's such a, just an impressive achievement that Nakona decided he was going to raid all the way to Galveston. And he marched through, burned Austin, went all the way to Galveston. Everybody got on their boats, went out on their boats and watched him burn Galveston.
Then they went in and looted all the stores and found these parasols. You know, you could sit there and block the sun. And the Comanche thought, that's the freaking smartest thing. I wish we'd had fabric to do that with. So all the Braves took these parachutes.
And when they rode off, there's thousands of Comanche warriors with parasols of all these different colors. Blocks, getting the sun off their shoulders.
Running away with umbrellas. Yeah. That's insane.
But what a terrifying visual.
Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I had no idea until I read Empire of the Summer Moon. And then the author come in. What is his name again? S.G.
Gwen? Is that it? Great, great fucking guy. And he found out when he moved to Texas. He moved here and then was researching Texas history.
S.G. Gwen. S.G. Gwen. And when he moved here and he was researching Texas, then he was like, oh, my God.
How do I not know about all this? How do I not know what this happened? How do I not know about the Texas Rangers and how they were established and why they needed them? What went down?
Yeah. It was the Wild West.
Yeah. Well, it's one of the reasons why Texas is such a crazy place. It's like this is kind of the last stand.
Yeah. And Texas was its own nation, for, you know, 14 years, 13 years. And it's still, you know, that independence is still pretty embedded in it.
Did they want to put it back on the ballot?
Every year.
This experiment hasn't worked.
Yeah. Well, what's crazy is when you think about the United States only being established in 1776 and how recent that is in human history. But the idea of a new country being established today seems insane. Like there's no way. Impossible.
No, it's not.
You know, part of Oregon wants to secede and join Idaho. There's a section up there around Humboldt County and up in that area in California, they want the same thing. And it's understandable because you have people who, you know, you take the eastern half of Oregon, virtually all of them are in some form of agriculture.
Right.
Right. They're ranching or they're farming, or they're doing something. Same with that part of Northern California. You're in timber, you're growing something, whether it's weed or whether it's whatever, you're doing something agricultural. And then you come to these big urban centers and where people do not understand where their food comes from.
Right.
I read an article. This is when I lived in L.A. as an actor. And there was some uproar. Some cheerleader had gone hunting and killed a deer or something.
And the picture made it in the paper or somehow made it somewhere. And there was this massive people went nuts.
And I'm flipping through the paper and I'm reading the letters to the editor. That's kind of there in the front. And they were all about this girl. And there's a picture of her. And one of them said that all hunters should be killed.
How dare they go out and kill that animal? Why can't they just go get their food at the grocery store where it's made?
No, someone got mad enough to write that letter and wrote it and re-read it and sent it. And then it was printed, not from a sense of irony, from the paper, I doubt. And I remember thinking, God, people don't even know where it comes from. They have no idea what it takes to put food on a table. Any kind of food.
I don't care if you're vegan or not.
It's all been given to you and all you have to do is work and then spend your money.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I've had conversations with people while they're eating meat, saying I can never hunt. Like, I don't know how you do it. Like, what are you talking about? You're eating meat.
You just hired a supermarket, hitman. Yeah.
You just exported the execution.
Yeah.
We're so detached. And that was why it was fascinating to watch this massive uptick during the pandemic, where the food supply got cut off for a while. And it was very weird. And a lot of people got into hunting. A lot of people got interested in it.
And there was a big uptick.
Or started to want to take some responsibility, some kind of control measure.
Grow food.
Whether they get chickens in their backyard. Whether they come to a ranch. And there's plenty of places where you can buy it direct to consumer. You know, when that hit me.
Yeah.
I've got three steers and two deer in the freezer. You know. I've got 60 chickens. I've got a greenhouse. I didn't.
Yeah.
I didn't miss a beat.
Yeah, well, that's the way to live. If you could. Yeah. But most people are like, well, not everybody can live that way. Right.
Figure out how you can.
Yeah, you can.
You can.
I did it in LA.
Did you? I did.
For five years, I went.
Everything I ate was wild caught. Or it was grown. I bought it from the farm. If it was a vegetable or fruit. And in LA, it really wasn't that hard to do.
Farmer's markets and stuff like that.
Farmer's markets for. Heck, you could even get. You know, you could go get wild caught fish at the farmer's market. Right. You could go get.
What farm grew this? Well, there's your kale or whatever you want. It's all right there. Like it was actually not that difficult. And I'd come back to Texas and hunt for a weekend.
And that was by, you know, go shoot three deer. And that's a year's worth of food. Right. Three animals for a year.
Yeah. Yeah. That's the best case scenario, if you can pull that off. But most people are just so disconnected from it. And so connected to the urban world where no one's growing anything.
Everything has to be brought in by trucks. I was reading this story. It's a book called Dissolving Illusions. And it's all about the introduction of vaccines. And it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century.
And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in. In these urban cities before cars. Because there was no buses. So how are you getting food? How are you getting vegetables?
How are you getting all these things into these cities? These people lived with terrible nutrition. Basically starved to death. Living in places where there's outhouses that were shared by thousands of people. Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings.
They're all breathing congested air. Everyone's getting diseases. There's no drugs to treat them. No antibiotics to treat them. And everyone's fucked.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's been that way, by the way, for 1,200 years. As soon as massive urban areas, as soon as they sprouted up. I mean, look at the plague. Yeah. That's what that is.
That's where it comes from.
That's a flea-borne illness that you get because you're living in such close proximity to rats.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
And why are there so many rats? Well, because there's that much vermin and filth and waste for them to feast on.
Yeah. I mean, it's nature's way of balancing things out. Nature's like, well, this is a fucking problem. Whatever you guys are doing here is not the way to do it. So have fun with this.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's also, with the Native Americans, you look at the Comanche, you look at any of them, it was the disease. Mm-hmm. From the first pilgrims. Mm-hmm. All these things that Europeans brought over.
I mean, it just decimated. I think cholera killed 60% of the Comanche.
Yeah. They said that 90% of the people killed in North America were killed by diseases. 90% of the Native Americans.
Yeah.
Yeah. And that story hasn't been told properly. And that's what I really appreciated about 1883.. It's like, you talked about, I mean, this was like the end of the Native American Empire, essentially. This was when there was still a little bit of Buffalo left.
There were still, you know, they were moving Indians to reservations. Then the Indians that were out, they were resisting it. And it's just, and then these people were trying to make their way in this fucking wagon train across the country. What percentage of those people died? That were trying to do that?
I mean, I don't know that there's any. Anywhere along the Oregon Trail, you can drive along, or, you know, there's markers just everywhere. Everywhere. And especially the further up you get into Wyoming and the further you start getting through, like the Lander, Cutoff and South Pass, then they're just. And that's the ones that, you know, that got a marker.
Yeah. So it's, how do you know? Right. You know, the handcart, the Mormon church brought a lot of people out and they didn't have a lot of money, enough money to give them full wagons, even though that's what they promised. So they made these hand carts that people would pull from wherever they took off, from somewhere in Ohio to try and get to Utah.
And so these people pulled them by hand. They'd put their wife and their gear, their kids or whatever, and then they'd pull them. These two wheeled carts, like chariots without a horse. And, you know, one winter they left too late and got caught in the winter. And the whole trick was if you didn't make it to the certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th, you were not going to make it.
You were going to get caught in the pass and you were going to die. And something like 25,000 people died in one year.
Just mind numbing statistics.
Insane. Yeah. Insane. And it's so interesting that the early films on the West, they never covered that. The early films in the West were like these really sort of shallow surface films that were fun movies, you know, Cowboys versus Indians, Spaghetti Westerns and that kind of stuff.
But no one had any sort of real understanding of what actually went down.
No, you didn't. The notion of getting free land that you could go farm with, by the way, nothing. You're going to go somewhere with nothing. Like there's no stores. You have to make everything.
You have to figure it all out on your own. Who would choose that? Not a successful blacksmith, not somebody that's got a nice, comfortable home in Maryland or wherever. And why? Why would you do that?
You have to have no other option. Right. Right. All the people that came over, from whatever European nation they came from, they didn't come for an adventure. Right.
They came because they were fucking starving. My family came over from Ireland because of the potato famine. They didn't want to. They had to.
Right.
They were dying. So they had to come. So that's why everyone came. Desperation. Desperation is what settled the West, fueled by a manifest destiny, which was a cruel, very cruel, insidious idea that a bunch of politicians had.
that says, hey, we can either send the army out there and just go to war. And we've been doing that. And we've been getting shit handed to us, because the Lakota were, until the repeating rifle came around, the Lakota and the Comanche, the Arapaho, even the Southerners, we did not have their skill level on a horse. Their arrows were actually more effective than our single shot muskets. Like they were a superior army and stayed that way.
It wasn't until we started sacking villages, when the Braves were gone, when their soldiers were gone, when that dirty shit started, then it started turning the tide. And then when we killed the food source, that was the end of it.
Yeah. Which is part of the wiping out of the Buffalo. Yeah. I mean, it was a commodity, for sure, but it was also, there was a concerted effort to cut off their food source.
It was, but it was also, you know, there was a demand.
The Buffalo tongue was the number one delicacy in New York City.
Isn't that crazy? The tongue.
The tongue.
Which nobody wants anymore.
I don't know. And then they sold all the Buffalo skins to France and they made giant, massive, silly robes.
Well, at one point in time, the richest man, one of the richest men in the world was, he dealt in beaver pelts.
Yeah, I don't doubt it.
There was fucking beaver everywhere. They wiped out most of the beaver in this country.
Yeah. You know, but they've come back.
Yeah, they've come back, but not nearly to where they were.
No, but they've come back. It's pretty, I mean, it's pretty impressive how much they've come back. And it's a pretty keystone species. So wherever they are, you know, they build enough dams and they create a pond that creates a wetland.
Have you ever eaten beaver? No. It's good.
That's what I hear. Steve Rinella cooked it. It was a delicacy.
Yeah. The tail, the tail's disgusting. We ate the tail. It's just all fat. They just were starving and they needed fat.
Maybe we didn't cook it right, but Rinella cooked it as best he could. But we, he made like a pot roast out of the beaver hams. Yeah. It was very good. It was like really good beef.
It was delicious. It was surprisingly good. Like, not like, oh, I could eat this, but like, I want more. It was fucking great. It was really good.
Really? Yeah.
No, I think the most exotic thing I ever ate and it wasn't, it was kind of a similar, I'm eating what they're serving situation on this ranch outside of Stanford, Texas. And they, they, we barbecued up a bunch of armadillo.
How was that?
I was so fricking, hungry. It seemed good to me. I, you know, this is well before I knew they had leprosy. I checked everything. I'm good.
I'm 40 years in and I'm fine.
Is there a temperature you have to kill leprosy at? We cook the food too? Like trichinosis?
Well, look, when you smoke the, you smoke it for like 12 hours. So I think anything.
Just kills everything. What is this? What does armadillo taste like?
It kind of tastes like pork.
Really? Yeah. Like javelina, then?
Yeah.
Yeah. Which just tastes a lot. Well, they even look like pork.
Yeah. Well, they are pork.
They're a peccary. Yeah. Right. It's like a cousin of pig.
Yeah. Somewhere. Yeah. And they're crossbred, I think, with the feral hogs a bunch.
Oh, have they really?
I think.
I think. I shot one last year and it turned into chorizo. It's edible.
Yeah.
It's not great. Yeah. But it's edible.
The feral hog, I'm not, you don't want to eat those feral hogs.
I've eaten a lot of feral hogs. Yeah. I shot one at Tejon, turned into sausage. It's good.
Yeah. Those things are a problem. I mean, they are.
They're a real problem out here.
Oh my gosh. And the destruction that they reap on the ecosystem. I mean, that's the reason the bobwhite quail population has just plummeted. Rattlesnakes have stopped rattling.
Because of the hogs? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. One of the first things that happened when I moved out here is Ted Nugent invited me to shoot hogs from a helicopter.
I was like, I guess I'm in Texas.
Welcome.
Come shoot hogs out of a helicopter. They're just gunning them down. Have you ever seen Aporkalypse Now?
No, but is that, is that with the Tannerite?
No, Aporkalypse Now is Ted Nugent and this guy that calls himself Pig Man, who has a show on one of the sportsman's channel, the outdoor channel. They shot like 250 plus pigs in an afternoon and they all did it out of helicopters. And it's like, da, da, da, da. It's fucking, it's insane. And you watch it like, how is this legal?
I guess it's legal because you have to do it that way. They, they, they have so many pigs. Like here it is. This is Aporkalypse Now.
It's all slow-mos of headshots. That's Pig Man. I don't want to put a number on it. I'm having a hell of a time.
I got guys scattered everywhere. All on dead dicks, gunning them, loading them in Rangers, taking them. Oh, a lot of people.
That's the other thing, the Hunters for the Hungry.
Yeah, they're really good.
It's an amazing program. Yeah, they shoot an incredible amount of these pigs and then feed them to people. And it is good, man. There's a guy out here named Jesse Griffiths who owns a great restaurant called Dai Due in Austin. And he runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt.
He teaches them first how to shoot rifles, then how to hunt. Then they hunt hogs, teaches them how to butcher them and cook them. And he's an amazing chef. And this guy, I mean, if you think that wild hogs taste like shit, talk to this guy.
Because he'll knock it out.
Oh my God, oh my God. Some of the best meals I've ever eaten in my life. He cooked diver duck, which everybody says are disgusting.
Like a scalp.
I've only had it once from him. Because they say that diver ducks eat all the shit that's at the bottom, all the muck that's at the bottom. And most people say they taste disgusting. He cooked it, it was one of the best foods I've ever eaten in my life. Really?
Yeah. He just knows how to do it right. He's like, it's not that these things taste bad. It's just people don't have the knowledge of how to prepare them correctly.
Well, if you think about it, you know, you can go to any gun store or pawn shop and buy a 30-year-old Remington 700 with a scope on it for $400.. Box of bullets is going to cost you $30.. License is going to cost you $35.. You can go shoot a hog. You can go shoot a deer, which someone's got to manage them.
The ecosystem's demolished, so there's nothing else doing it. So they're just going to overpopulate and disease. And you can create a year's worth of meat for 600 bucks.
Yeah. It's incredible.
And then the next year you cut it down to 300.. And then the next year you cut it down to 150..
Yeah. And it's fun.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's a fun thing to do. Yeah. And it's very satisfying.
You're taking responsibility for your own food.
Yeah. And still, there's people that think there's something wrong with that. But that's how disconnected society is.
Well, look, I think one of the most absurd positions anyone can take is they're a vegan for an ethical reason. It's preposterous. You could do it for a medical reason, even though I don't know what that reason would be, but maybe you can't process meat, you can't process proteins like that. But to do it for an ethical reason is absurd. And the reason I say that is I have plowed a field.
It is carnage. It is 12 feet of carnage. And every single plant that you eat is going to be tilled into the ground in some capacity. So you're going to kill everything when you plow that field.
There's that famous conversation that Kevin Costner has and yells to him.
I wrote, that's why I wrote it. Yeah. Because people have to understand, you have to take ownership.
That same thing, Ted Nugent has said this on this podcast. He said, if you want to kill the most things, become a vegan.
Yeah, 100%.
If you're thinking about individual life, if you don't think that one life equals one life, if you think that small things aren't as valuable as large things, that's a totally different discussion. And that's a weird discussion. But if you think that all life is sacred, well, what about the lives of the ground, nesting birds, fawns? What about the lives of rodents, insects? All those things are getting demolished.
The average organic avocado farm in central California is going to kill on average around 19,000 ground squirrels a year.
That's not counting the billions of bees, because they're going to bring the bees up from Brazil to pollinate the trees and then they're going to fucking die. They're not sending them back anywhere. They're not keeping them. No, they're gone. They're going to spray with some organic, which is probably just like compressed cayenne pepper.
They're going to spray the trees. They're going to kill every bug, every plant, everything. All you got to do is drive I-5 through the San Joaquin Valley and you won't see. You'll see plenty of almonds. You'll see plenty of all these different groves.
You won't see any birds. You won't see anything else. They fucking kill them all.
Yeah, that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow that think they're doing something that's ethically correct.
Well, if you look anywhere in the ecosystem, take man out of it.
Virtually everything is living at the expense of another organism, to the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass. The tree grows up. This little sapling grows up over the grass. It's killing the grass. The grass grows up before the weeds, kills the weeds, kills the flowers, kills.
this. Everything is in competition with everything else. There is not a vegan fish. There's not a vegetarian fish. Every single fish, every frog, they are, they're eating, they're eating another organism to survive.
Every one of them. And that's what we did for as long as, whenever we split from apes, that's what we did. Apes still do it. They talk about, oh, they eat fruit. They eat fruit until they get ahold of those little fricking panzer monkeys.
Yeah. Then they go to town, those chimpanzees.
They didn't even know about that until that David Attenborough documentary. Yeah. You ever see that one? Yeah. Where they're eating the monkeys in the trees.
If you ever wonder where our violent streak comes from. Oh yeah. Watch chimpanzees.
Yeah. Have you seen Chimp Nation? No. That's another great Netflix series. Yeah.
Fuck. Incredible. They kill each other. And I asked the guy, I go, how often do they kill monkeys? He goes, we really didn't show how many times they killed monkeys, because they do it so often.
Oh yeah.
I mean, it's literally their preferred food. Yeah.
They kill monkeys. They're going to eat the leaves and the fruits and everything until they need that protein.
Yeah. They eat the fruit because it's easy.
Yeah.
But if they can find monkeys, they go after monkeys. Yeah. And they eat them alive. They just start chewing on them. Yeah.
There's a video of this monkey. He's like screaming while this chimp is eating him from the hips down. Just, rawr. You see his little face and just looks so much like us. To watch him just get eaten alive by a chimp who also looks a lot like us.
It's just so fucked.
Yeah.
That's the real nature. That's not vegan nature. That's not this bullshit, utopian, artificial paradise that people have created in their mind that they're doing if they're eating vegan. It's just not true. Unless you're growing all of your own food in your yard, unless you have a contained environment where you're composting and using mulch and you're making sure that everything that you grow, you're picking it yourself, you're just fencing it off to keep squirrels from eating it.
If that's not the case, you're involved in murder.
But even then, even then, you don't think you're going to have a. what happens when the grasshoppers come.
Right.
And they'll get through that fence.
Oh yeah. And they'll devastate your crops. You're going to have to kill the grasshoppers.
You're going to kill the grasshoppers and what are you going to do when the squirrel gets in? You can't fence off your trees.
Yeah.
So what are you going to do? Well, you're either going to give away a lot of your crop, which you're not going to want to do, or you're going to come up with a way to, or you're going to run the squirrel off. Okay, well then, you just killed it because you ran it out of its habitat. So it just dies a slower death.
Yeah.
So you don't, we don't get to exist without another organism fueling our existence. Period.
I know. It's such a hard thing for people to accept.
Well, I think it's because they're so dissociated. You know, I talked about it in Wind River at the very end, when he's given the speech to, I don't know if you've seen that one or not.
I didn't.
Okay. Um, so he, he, this guy, it takes place in the wilds of Wyoming. Um, and there's a young woman who's an FBI investigator and she comes and she, she's investigating the death of a native American woman, uh, culminates in a big gunfight and she gets wounded, but she doesn't, she doesn't die. He visits her in the hospital, Jeremy Renner's character, who's from this area. And he says, you know, luck doesn't live in the wilderness.
It lives in the city, you know, whether or not, uh, your car is the one that gets car jacked. Whether, you know, someone, someone's on their cell phone when you're walking through the crosswalk. Uh, that's luck. But out here you survive or you surrender. You know, wolves don't kill unlucky deer.
They kill the weak ones.
Yeah. And that's, that's the reality. That's the reality of our life.
When you can walk from your condo to Erewhon and buy your $19 almond butter and never ask yourself, I can tell you, I can tell you exactly right now, how much water it takes in a state with no water to make one almond. Right. It takes three gallons.
Yeah.
So, if you want to amort it out, one almond takes three gallons. And how many almonds does one almond tree have? 10,000.. We'll do the math.
It's nuts.
Do the math. Nothing comes without, there is an expense.
Nothing makes me crack up more than the stop oil people when they're blocking the highway with clothes made with oil. Like they have rubber.
This is, this is one of my like, drive me.
It's fucking insane.
I'm making, I'm making a TV show about this. Are you? Right now. Yeah. Called Landman with Billy Bob Thornton.
Oh, wow. About the oil industry and about energy.
I love Billy Bob Thornton.
That's a gangster.
I love that dude.
Gangster.
He's great. Yeah.
It doesn't give a fuck. Does not give a fuck.
And he was great in 1883 too.
Oh yeah.
He's great. I love that dude.
Showed up for one day. He goes, what am I doing? Doing this. Great.
Just perfect. Wicked. Yeah.
Wicked. That's, that's when I decided. I got something for you.
Nice.
There's something we can do. But people don't understand, you know, they're mandating all these electric vehicles in California. 75% of California's electricity comes from fossil fuels. About 15% comes from wind and alternative energy. And then they still get a little from nuclear.
I don't know why everyone got off nuclear. That was like.
That's the best thing for the environment. Believe it or not.
We are. I spoke, when I was researching Landman, I reached out to some guys on, MIT has a climate change board. They've got a bunch of scientists that are, you know, all they're doing is trying to figure out what is our next energy source? Like, what is a reliable energy source that's clean? And cold.
fusion is pretty much the thing that they've all penned is. this is going to be the deal.
But they think we're 30 to 40 years from having it to where it can even generate enough power. Right now, for the first time ever, they were able to create electricity with a through cold fusion that created more electricity than it took to create it. Like, so they just net zeroed it. So how long before they can make enough of it? They can make it efficient enough that someone can charge us for it.
And it's still affordable to us. How far off? And then the infrastructure.
What is? what's the method of cold fusion? Like, I don't even know how it's done.
I mean, it's the same.
It's similar to that. Google, like, how is cold? Because I know there was a cold fusion thing a few years ago, but they decided that it wasn't. They couldn't repeat it. But I didn't know that they've actually pulled it off now.
It's essentially you're splitting an atom, but you're not. You're not. You're splitting it in a manner that doesn't seem to create the waste. And I think that's the reason they're backing off nuclear. They know something about the waste that they don't want to tell us.
Well, it lasts forever. It lasts forever. And you dig holes in the ground. You've got to cement it in there. Like, there's spots in Nevada where they have these, like, fucking trenches filled with nuclear waste.
Yeah.
But there's also emerging technologies about converting nuclear waste into batteries. There was something about that. There was some sort of technique that they were developing that was going to be able to take all that stuff and convert it into batteries. But we have, like, a reasonable fear of radiation, obviously, because it's, you know, we know, like, Chernobyl's fucked. It's going to be fucked forever.
Fukushima's fucked. It's fucked forever. It's fucked for as long as there's ever been people alive, it'll be fucked three, four, five times that. in the future. It'll be fucked.
And then we also know that, you know, they haven't been real forthcoming, with some of the dangers of it. Like the depleted uranium rounds they used during the Iraq war. And all these soldiers came back and they had Gulf War syndrome. And that was, their babies were born, all fucked up and no one wanted to take responsibility for it. But there's been some documentaries done on it.
And I think the consensus is that a lot of those cases were probably due to the depleted uranium rounds they used. Because apparently those fucking things are just lethal. They just go right through tanks. Yeah. Like depleted uranium rounds.
Other shit. But the problem is then these fucking soldiers would go to the battlefield where all this stuff had gone down. And they're breathing in. And they're taking, they're absorbing all this fucking radiation. And they weren't warned.
Well, look at all the, look at all the, in the 50s, when people used to go to Vegas and sit on the roof and watch nuclear testing. I had a professor in college that was one of those guys. And got like umpteen kind of fucking different cancers.
Wasn't that the story about John Wayne? Yeah. John Wayne was impaired.
Well, John Ford, all of them died of cancer because they kept shooting in Monument Valley, where they were fucking setting all these things up.
Exactly. But did anybody like definitively connect John Wayne and his cancer to that? Because I think I had read something about many people that worked on those films also got similar cancer. But I mean John Wayne looked like he smoked cigarettes and drank a lot too.
I heard the guy smoked five packs a day.
Yeah, he looked like a guy who was partying a little bit.
He was on like his second pig's heart. He'd had like eight different organ transplants in the late 60s. He was actually kind of a tank that he survived all this. Did he really have a pig heart? Yes.
They really did that with him? No.
Yeah. I think I made a joke about it on the Oscars.
They've actually successfully transplanted pig hearts?
Yeah. I mean have him. How did I not know this?
I know they've done it with a friend of mine that has another person's heart. Yeah. He had a heart attack and a heart transplant. Pig valve. Pig valves.
Same shit. Oh, I knew they were doing that. Yeah. They do artificial valves. My friend Everlast from House of Pain.
Yeah. He can take a microphone and put it to his chest and you can hear his fake valve going like tick, tick, tick.
Really?
Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. He does it. You're like yo. You got a fucking machine inside you, keeping you alive.
Does it run on the energy of his own body?
It's a valve, right? So I guess it runs as the heart pumps. It opens and closes, just like the biological valve that you're born with. But his is artificial.
Wow.
Yeah, I think it's, I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think it's titanium or something like that. Like something very durable. I know they're using titanium for other body parts. They're using it for articulating neck discs. So when people get bulging discs that turn to herniating discs and then they get degradation where it's pinching on the nerves, they have two options.
oftentimes. They'll either fuse you, which could be fucking horrible. Or now they'll give you an alternative, which is an articulating disc. And guys have had those, like Algerian Sterling, had one of those done and then went on to defend the Bantamweight title in the UFC. Really?
And defended it more than anybody and just fucking dominated people. Yeah. Until he lost to Sean O'Malley. He was like, I think he defended the Bantamweight title more than anybody and he won the title. And then, after he won the title, he got kneed in the head during the title fight.
It was kind of a bad deal. Like he won the title by disqualification. So a lot of people hated him and they discredited him. Then he got this operation, had this disc replaced his neck. And then they had the rematch and he fucking dominated the dude.
Really?
With a fake disc in his neck. So it really was fucking him up. The children of John Wayne, Susan Hayward and Dick Powell fear that Fallout killed their parents. From 1980.. Wow.
1980.. 220 cast members. It says 91 that contracted cancer. Wow. Oh my God.
And this is pre-internet kids.
And that's at that point too, 1980..
Right. But you got to think, this is like, it was difficult to track down this kind of information back then. And then to put it out on People Magazine. That's pretty wild. It was because of where they were doing St.
George.
Only 137 miles from atomic testing range at Yucca Flat, Nevada. Yeah, they just blew shit up out there. Have you ever seen the map? There's a video of the map of the United States. It's actually a map of the world, but a lot of map of the United States.
And it shows all the nuclear tests that are happening all around the world. Like when they first did it. Like it shows the Trinity bomb. Boom. And then it's like, boom.
Boom, boom. Boom, boom. And then it gets into the 50s. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Watch this.
Go to the first one. This goes on for 15 minutes. I know, but it's amazing. We don't have to watch the full 15 minutes. Can you like triple speed or something?
Doesn't it do that? We did it the other day, right? Playback speed, normal. Yeah. Okay.
So just watch a little bit of this. So the first one goes off. Boom, boom. They're doing them in the ocean.
Because that's great for the fish.
It also at the top, will tell you who's doing them. So, like the first couple, are us. Five of them. So we're five in. now.
It's the United States. Eight United States. We're like, I'm not sure if it works. Let's keep doing it. These are all in the ocean, by the way.
So far the ones we've seen. Now Russia starts popping off. Oh, shit. Russia's got one. Boom.
They did a test. And we're like, oh, bitch. We're going to have to do some more tests. Now, you guys think you got a nuclear bomb, motherfucker? We got 500,000 of them.
16, 17.. Now, by this time, in 1951, the United States has 24. And Russia has three. This is 1952.. I mean, now the United States has 39..
Now, look at this. We go up to 45, like quick. And then Russia goes to eight. They're trying to keep up.
Australia snuck some in there.
Oh, did they really? Look at that. They got three.
Or Great Britain did. They just decided to set it off in Australia.
Yeah. That's probably what they did. Look at this. The United States has got 66. now.
We're just popping off. So now these are all happening in Nevada. You're seeing them all pop off in the United States. So far, at least, in that same area, which has got to be Nevada. See there?
Look, they're all popping off in that same area. It's all one. We just nuked one spot of the country, and then we let gambling in. That was 40 in like a year.
Oh, my God. It's so insane. We talk about all these things. So it's at 139..
Yeah, right here. October 1956, we're at 87.. Oh, that's so insane. And no one could tell them no. Here's the thing.
It's like they are literally the people running the world back then. And by March of 58, we're at 121.. Oh, how nuts.
So we're setting off thermonuclear weapons. And pretty soon, you're probably some hydrogen bombs.
67,. we're at 510.. Jesus Christ.
And we talk about things. That's so insane. We talk about things that warm the planet.
Yeah, that did. a lot of warming, for sure.
We literally nuked it. No one's mentioned the half a thousand nuclear bombs we set off. Here's the question.
I know that the fallout from like meltdowns, when reactors meltdown, that's pretty significant. That's a big deal. But how much of a big deal is the fallout from bombs going off? Like? there's people that live in Fukushima now, right, or Nagasaki right now, right?
They live in Japan, in the areas that got hit. They live in Hiroshima. It's like it's okay there now. So how long is it? Like those areas where they did the test, like?
what's it like now? Is it fucked? Is it?
I did read at one point, I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having, just like in Chernobyl, that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and those areas.
And I don't know if they're still having those issues three generations later.
My question was like, was this right after the bombs? Were the people that survived, did they get all that horrible radiation?
I think it came in waves. I think there was a lot of cancers in like the three to five years afterwards. And then again in 10, 15, we could probably look it up. But it was a continuous.
The Russia count jumps really fast here. in one month. It did like 60 or so in one little area. And it looks like July, no, yeah, September of 61.. Did you see that?
60 bombs went off. That's the dude, that's Khrushchev. That's the dude who banged his fucking shoe on the desk. Remember? He said, we will bury.
you. See, find that.
You want to think how scary things are now? You want to think of what it was like in the 1960s, when Khrushchev is banging his fucking, his heel on the. Let me hear it, because the fucking tone of his voice. It's a beat to the rhythmic shoes off. Oh, they made a song out of it.
Of course. That's hilarious. That was a scary fucking time. And those are people that had lost millions and millions and millions of soldiers in World War II.
Oh, yeah. 20 million Russians died? Yes.
Something like that.
We live on Earth, not by the grace of God. No, sir, by your grace, by the strength and intelligence of the great people of the Soviet Union and all the peoples which are fighting for their independence.
You will not be able to smother the voice of the peoples, the voice of truth which rings aloud, and will go on ringing. Death and destruction to colonial servitude. Away with it.
We must bury it, and deeper the better.
He didn't bang his shoe. So when does he bang his shoe?
It didn't appear in the coverage, but that other video I had definitely showed him banging his shoe. Oh, so they edited it out. Yeah, maybe they were like, that was a little intense. Let's calm that guy down. Let's get him a vodka.
So, yeah, here he is banging his shoe. He's banging a bunch of stuff. That's like a gavel or something. I think that's a shoe.
Yeah, I think that's all theater. It is all theater, but it's a terrifying theater because they're actually killing people.
The way that they're controlling their own people is by threatening. They're basically saying the United States is threatening our existence.
Uh huh.
Yeah. And that's the exact same thing that the American government said about the Soviet Union. And that's all that those nuclear testings were. It's a dick measuring. It's just like, look what we could do.
That's where communism goes, kids. It seems like a great idea. It seems like we should all share money. We shouldn't be so materialistic. And if we just pooled all our money together, everybody would have enough.
We wouldn't have to worry about anything. And then the government just tells you what your job is.
I just want someone to show me an example of it working.
It doesn't work.
Just show me one.
It works in small groups. If you can get a small group of bad motherfuckers, you could be communists.
You could make the argument that the Plains Indian tribes were communists. You could make that argument.
Right. Right. Right. Because they didn't understand possessions. They would just.
Everything. And so I'll take the Lakota, for example. Everything was predicated. Your wealth was basically how many horses you had. And those horses you stole from another nation, another tribe.
The Lakota would steal from the Pawnee. They would steal from the Crow. Everybody stole from the Crow.
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