The Sunday Story: How to Save the Everglades

2024-03-03 00:28:05

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I'm Aisha Roscoe, and this is a Sunday Story.

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The Everglades?

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You've probably heard of it.

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That massive wilderness of wetlands on the southern tip of Florida.

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It's home to the largest mangrove ecosystem in the Western Hemisphere, and it's a sanctuary

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for over three dozen endangered and threatened species.

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It's also the water supply for about 9 million Floridians.

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The Everglades is a crucial ecosystem, and it's in crisis.

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Climate change, pollution, agriculture, and rapid development are causing potentially

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irreversible damage.

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Almost 25 years ago, the state of Florida and the federal government struck an extraordinary

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deal to save the Everglades.

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But from the moment it passed, the problems began.

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The plan's been crippled by years of trade-offs and backroom dealing and rising costs, with

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little to show for the billions spent.

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Meanwhile, South Florida is thirsty.

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The population keeps growing, the climate keeps changing, and the Everglades keep dying.

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Today I'm talking with environment reporter Jenny Stiletovich from South Florida's WLRN

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radio station.

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Jenny has a new podcast series out called Bright Lit Place that tells the dramatic story

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of the Everglades, what's been done to the ecosystem, and what needs to happen to save

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it.

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Stay with us.

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We're back with the Sunday Story, here with WLRN environment reporter Jenny Stiletovich

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talking about the Everglades.

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Jenny, for people who've never been to South Florida, what are we talking about?

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What are the Everglades?

1Speaker 1
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So the Everglades really are this huge wetland system that covers basically all of South

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Florida.

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And within the wetland are these different areas.

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There's swamps, you still have mangrove forests, four-story tall mangroves down at the southern

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end.

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The biggest feature of the Everglades is probably the river of grass, 40 miles wide and 100

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miles long.

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And if you think of a river, a shallow river, that's literally what it is, but filled with

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sawgrass.

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It looks like a sea of sawgrass, but if you were to wade out into it, it would be shallow

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water moving very, very slowly from north to south and out into Florida Bay.

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There's also all of this wildlife.

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Can you talk about that?

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So when you go into the Everglades, you encounter just this variety of wild and exotic and flamboyant

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wildlife.

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There are panthers in the Everglades.

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There are flamingos in the Everglades and bonneted bats with ears that are literally

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like bonnets.

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They're the largest bats in North America.

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There are lots of snakes.

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There's butterflies that you can't find anyplace else on the earth.

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They're fluorescent blue.

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In the sawgrass, the wading birds that come and roost there are some of the weirdest that

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you've ever seen.

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There are things called wood storks.

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They're often nicknamed the preacher's bird because when they're on the ground, they wrap

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themselves in their wings that are black on the outside, but when they take off, they're

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white underneath.

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There are roseate spoonbills that have these bills that are shaped like spoons so that

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they can hunt for fish.

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They use the bills to swish back and forth in the water.

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Swallowtails that are as big as your hand.

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Warblers that are migrating, flock to the mangroves, so you'll be inside the mangroves

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and you'll just hear this chorus of warblers singing all around you and so it's just a

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menagerie.

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I mean, that sounds like really incredible biodiversity and like a really unique ecosystem.

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Does the Everglades play a role in the larger environment?

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On a planet-wide global scale, we're on the Atlantic Flyway for migrating birds that fly

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up from the bottom of South America to the Arctic.

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And in terms of climate change, the marshes and the peat soil below them along with the

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mangrove forests are huge carbon sinks.

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They are like America's Amazon.

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For the Florida ecosystem, it is hugely important in terms of water supply in South Florida.

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Like modern South Florida would not exist without the Everglades because those marshes

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that I keep talking about essentially filter water in a shallow drinking aquifer that supplies

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water to about 9 million Floridians.

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So during the wet season, the Everglades basically helps keep the rest of South Florida dry.

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It holds a ton of water that might otherwise flood neighborhoods and cities.

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And then during the dry season, when you actually needed water supply, those marshes were there

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to give us that water supply.

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Really it was this perfect balance between the wet and the dry season and the things

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that you needed to happen in the wet season, which is sawgrass marshes absorbing water.

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That's what they did and all that water would flow down the river of grass and it wouldn't

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just like flow straight, but it would also flow out the side and areas where there were

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depressions in these coastal ridges.

2Speaker 2
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So is it kind of like a bowl, but a shallow bowl?

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Is that like the water?

1Speaker 1
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It's exactly that.

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Yeah.

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You essentially would get fresh water flowing all offshore around Florida and that's what

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helped create, you know, really beautiful beaches and these estuaries.

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And within those, you just get this variety of wildlife and fish and miles and miles of

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seagrass meadows that are basically the nurseries for a lot of wildlife.

2Speaker 2
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Well, I would imagine though that the Everglades have probably changed a lot in the last century

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and I would imagine that has to do a lot with human beings.

1Speaker 1
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For sure.

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So the Everglades before modern South Florida arrived covered about 4,000 square miles and

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now they're down to about half that size.

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Florida became a state in 1847 and just a few years later, you know, the leaders of

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this new state said, how are we going to create an economy?

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Well, let's drain the Everglades and turn them into farm fields.

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Starting in the late 1800s, early settlers came in and started draining parts of the

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Everglades and they built these canals to control water during the rainy season that

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started drying up the river of grass, which they thought was a good thing at the time.

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So all that drainage essentially wiped out half the Everglades, turned it into farm fields.

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It was hugely successful because that peat soil was so mucky and rich that you could

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grow anything there and it became the winter breadbasket for the U.S.

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Was there also pollution from the farming?

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Yes.

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So all those farm fields that grew up around the Everglades use fertilizer and one of the

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common ingredients in fertilizer is phosphorus.

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So when you started growing all that sugarcane and all those other crops, it started to pollute

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the Everglades with this, with phosphorus.

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The Everglades, however, thrives with very little phosphorus.

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That's why you get these sparse sawgrass marshes.

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That sparse grass allows water to flow.

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That kind of grass does not need a lot of phosphorus.

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When you get too much of it, it spurs too much plant growth and it allows other plants

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that need phosphorus to grow to come in and take over this area.

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So you started seeing other plants come in and start choking the river of grass.

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One of the most damaging plants is cattails.

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They're a native plant, but they grow in parts of the state where phosphorus occurs naturally.

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When you get cattails, bulrush, other kinds of marsh grasses moving in, it stops up the

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water flow.

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So I guess all of this meddling from flood control projects, water diversion, what does

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this mean for the way that Everglades function naturally?

1Speaker 1
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What that did was ruin basically the infrastructure that nature built that provided a natural

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flood control and drinking water supply.

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So South Florida, parts that used to be wet were now dry and dry parts were wet.

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You essentially get a breakdown of this natural system that filtered and stored water and

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instead everything is being drained to make way for farm fields and cities.

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And the consequences of that were these freshwater marshes, the estuaries and bays and the fishing

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grounds also got screwed up.

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They were too salty.

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They weren't getting enough fresh water.

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And without that fresh water, you get seagrass meadows dying and the nurseries where bonefish

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and tarpon and some of the sport fish that draw people from all over the world were going

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away.

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All of these cascading environmental effects, but I would imagine that there are also lives

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and livelihoods that are at stake here.

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There's two people I met that I wanted to tell you about who just in their lifetimes

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have seen the Everglades transform dramatically.

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There's an island over here with a lot of trees and it's high and when the water's high

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it never goes underwater.

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Michael Frank is one of the guys I wanted to tell you about.

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He's a member of the Miccosukee tribe.

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Historically the tribe lived on what are called these tree islands which rise out of the river

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of grass.

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They were formed by sediment piling up and tree roots over thousands of years.

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Michael was born and raised on a tree island called Highland and he told me he remembers

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being able to spear fish in the marshes because the water was so clear.

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The Miccosukee even have a special name for the Everglades.

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Kahelit.

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Kahelit means a bright lit place.

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It's like shining.

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Look at that.

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Kahelit.

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Look at it.

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It's shining.

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The water from the sun.

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Hayalit.

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Say hayalit.

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Hayalit means light.

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It's lit up.

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You can see all the way to the bottom.

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And you will see sometimes even torpins, even fish that's in the bay, they would swim all

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the way.

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Yeah, we used a spear to giggle fish, right?

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You see a big old torpin, oh man, I'm going to have a big dinner.

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Boom.

1Speaker 1
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Your spear was gone.

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Anything that could migrate their way in the canals, they made it out into the Everglades

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because it was crystal clear.

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I went out on the water with another person who remembers the good old days of fishing.

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He's a second generation fishing captain, Tim Klein.

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Like the most famous bonefish spots in our backyard is what we call downtown, Shell Key,

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Ligden Viaduct.

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So he took me out on some of the flats in Florida Bay.

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These were once world-class fishing grounds covered with different kinds of sport fish.

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Records were set here, but now those fish are going away.

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You know, like 70% of the grass is gone.

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And that's where, you know, the bonefish fed and stuff.

2Speaker 2
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We need a change.

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So we need to, we just need water.

1Speaker 1
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Some way or another, we need water in our bay before it dies again.

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And I should say, the idea of losing these fishing grounds is a really big deal here

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in South Florida.

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You know, fishing is hugely important, not just economically, but culturally.

2Speaker 2
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So all of this is happening because humans are trying to control the water.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah.

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This idea of really controlling and taming nature, I mean, it's something that America

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was built on.

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But when the U.S. government came in and was doing all this dredging and flooding the tree

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islands out, you know, Michael Frank was six years old when Highland went underwater.

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What, three, four feet underwater?

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And while that work was going on, Michael Frank's family and the rest of the tribe that

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lived out there on the tree islands, they were forced to move to higher ground.

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They told my grandfather and grandmother, if that day ever come, your island goes underwater,

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we'll come and build up your camp.

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But they never came and built the camps up.

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That was one of many broken promises.

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You know, the government didn't do anything to protect the islands.

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So what that meant was that Michael Frank's family, along with other members of the Miccosukee

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tribe, had to move to the Tamiami Trail.

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The trail is the highway that was built in the 20s to connect both Florida's coasts.

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But that move really changed the tribe.

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They'd lost not just their homeland, but their hunting grounds.

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And so a lot of people were living along the highway, basically selling trinkets to tourists

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traveling the highway.

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They eventually got reservation land to the north, but they're still fighting to recover

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these ancestral tree islands that are basically being washed away by floodwater and water

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that's kept too high.

2Speaker 2
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I mean, it sounds very bad.

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The Native Americans have been displaced.

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The birds, the mammals, the coastal fisheries are all suffering these huge declines.

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The land has been cut up, drained, flooded, just a mess.

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But it wasn't supposed to be like this, right?

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There was supposed to be a solution.

1Speaker 1
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Right.

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So in 2000, Congress passed what's known as the Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Plan.

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And at the time, it was hailed as this huge win for the environment.

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It had strong bipartisan support.

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And it was also the largest hydrologic restoration plan ever undertaken in the U.S.

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It was supposed to be a model that could have helped us figure out how to deal with some

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of the impacts from climate change.

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But it was going to be expensive.

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It was expected to cost $8 billion and would probably take a couple of decades to finish.

2Speaker 2
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So a couple of decades from the year 2000, that seems like this should be wrapping up

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right about now then, right?

1Speaker 1
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Yes, if things had gone according to plan.

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But that's not the way it worked out.

2Speaker 2
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When we come back, what happened to that big plan to save the Everglades?

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Stay with us.

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We're back talking to Jenny Steletovich, host of the podcast Bright Lit Place about the Everglades.

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So Congress passed this massive plan to restore the Everglades.

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I'm sure there were signing ceremonies and all this press conferences and what have you.

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So what happened?

1Speaker 1
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Well, the solution on paper seemed pretty simple.

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The scientists said they knew exactly what needed to happen.

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The formula for restoration isn't hard from the ecological perspective.

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They just needed to get the water flowing again.

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But that turned out to be a complicated thing to do.

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You have to maintain all these other things and you can't affect anybody and you can't

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have any other consequence.

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That's hard.

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This is hydrologist Tom Van Lant.

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When I spoke to him, he was really frustrated by the people aspect of restoration.

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There are so many stakeholders, landowners, companies, government agencies.

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There are all these interests in the Everglades and you know, it will be impossible to get

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water back into the Everglades without affecting the stakeholders.

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So what all this means is right after the Everglades restoration plan came into law,

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the problems started.

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The first was with Congress itself.

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The restoration plan was bipartisan, but then gridlock set into Congress right after it

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was passed.

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It was also just a rough blueprint for what needed to be done.

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So it included dozens of projects.

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It was like 50 main projects and 68 components within those 50 projects.

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And part of the plan said that as you're going along, if cost escalates too much, you have

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to bring it back to us and have it reauthorized.

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This was actually a pretty standard way to get things done in the past, but you know,

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after it was passed in 2000, the projects didn't get authorized for another seven years.

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And that was just a small group of projects.

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And then it took another seven years to get another small group of projects passed.

2Speaker 2
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So it seems like things are falling behind schedule.

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Yes.

1Speaker 1
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And at the same time, South Florida was having yet another one of its building booms, which

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made things even more complicated.

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I spoke to Julie Hill Gabriel, who's an attorney with Audubon.

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She was working in South Florida, you know, in the early 2000s when restoration was still

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fairly new.

2Speaker 2
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You have what is pegged as the world's largest ecosystem restoration effort that had really

1Speaker 1
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just begun.

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And at the same time, the land that is currently still available in the Everglades is being

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targeted to be drained.

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So we're going to initiate the world's largest effort to restore wetlands while at the same

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time we're filling in and destroying the wetlands that were made.

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She was, as you can hear, understandably really frustrated that the restoration plan didn't

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seem to have any teeth.

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And that made Audubon's work, which is to advocate to get restoration done, unnecessarily

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difficult.

2Speaker 2
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We had some projects that were initially designed to use certain footprints of land, and then

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local governments were approving that land to be developed for new communities or businesses.

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And so we kept having to change some of the project designs based on what was actually

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available.

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So Congress had passed its big plans, but local governments are meanwhile approving

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land to be developed.

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Did the state of Florida not have a plan to set land aside to be restored?

1Speaker 1
18:16.86 – 18:19.04

No. And that was part of the problem.

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Those original architects of the restoration plan, they worried that if the state was allowed

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to seize the land, you know, the plan wouldn't get passed and it wouldn't get the support

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it needed.

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So they relied on willing sellers, and a lot of the land that they needed for projects

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was privately owned farmland and mostly sugarcane fields.

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In 2008, U.S. Sugar briefly agreed to sell most of their holdings to the state.

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And that could have changed restoration for good and altered the course of history.

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But that deal fell apart, and they have mostly opposed selling land going forward.

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The U.S. Sugar program, which guarantees the price of domestic sugar, also provides huge

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incentives for farmers to stay in business.

2Speaker 2
19:02.86 – 19:09.88

OK, so I'm guessing with all these delays, that costs are also increasing.

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Yes.

1Speaker 1
19:10.70 – 19:12.42

The price just went up and up.

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And today, restoring the Everglades is expected to cost 23 billion dollars.

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So that's three times the original price.

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And it's just like this vicious cycle, because prices going up causes further delays.

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Since, as I mentioned before, it was written into the plan that if costs change, then

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projects have to be reauthorized by Congress.

2Speaker 2
19:33.46 – 19:36.70

I mean, this all sounds very familiar.

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I mean, when you think of these giant public works projects is that they drag on and on.

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And then they get more and more expensive.

1Speaker 1
19:44.94 – 19:47.22

Yeah, there's the bureaucracy aspect.

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But then environmentally speaking, certain problems are as daunting as ever.

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You know, when we look at water that's supposed to go into the Everglades, the pollution

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levels are still too high.

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And that's despite valiant restoration efforts to reduce the pollution and get it under

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control. So we talked about the phosphorus problem and sugar farming, and the state of

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Florida has already spent more than a billion dollars trying to clean that water by

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building these massive treatment marshes.

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But they're not working.

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So I took a trip on an airboat to one of the treatment marshes to see what was going on

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with Eric Crawford.

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He's a wetlands ecologist and he oversees the vegetation that they grow in the marshes

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to try and suck up all the phosphorus pollution.

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You want to do a little gentle loop into the marsh, some of the birds and plants, and

2Speaker 2
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then we can stop.

1Speaker 1
20:40.60 – 20:44.90

At first glance, it's weird because it's a treatment marsh, but it looks like another

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sort of beautiful slice of the Everglades.

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Yeah, you didn't think you'd enjoy sitting in the middle of an industrial wastewater

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treatment facility, but that's where we are.

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There's birds all over, there's American lotuses, these big platter sized plants growing

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on the water, and there's also a ton of alligators and snakes.

2Speaker 2
21:05.80 – 21:12.00

Oh, OK. Well, I mean, with the snakes and the alligators, I will leave that to you.

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I'm sure it was you made it out all right because I'm talking to you.

1Speaker 1
21:16.22 – 21:20.92

Thankfully, they put airboats when people are in the water to keep an eye out for the

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snakes and alligators with rifles.

2Speaker 2
21:24.66 – 21:28.82

Well, and what did Crawford tell you about this facility?

1Speaker 1
21:29.34 – 21:34.26

Yes. So as beautiful as the treatment marshes are, while we were out on the airboat,

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Crawford also showed me signs of how the treatment isn't working as well as it needs

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to. We're getting closer to the front end of the system here, and you can see there's a

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lot of nutrients.

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We have all this algae growing in the marsh.

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Here is the problem.

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While they're beautiful and they are working hard, they are still not getting water clean

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enough. Scientists have said that to put water back in the Everglades, the phosphorus has

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to be at these really low levels of 13 parts per billion.

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That is like one drop in a 10,000 gallon swimming pool.

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And the marshes have succeeded at taking out tons and tons of phosphorus.

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But what they're not able to do is get the phosphorus levels down to those tiny, tiny

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levels. The other thing is these marshes also have to do double duty and act as storm

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water marshes when hurricanes or tropical storms come through.

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So then they have to stop treating the water and trying to clean it.

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Instead, they have to offer flood control.

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And that's a completely different operation that then the structures open up and the

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water moves. But then we have to be ready to switch back to the trickle.

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Let's let's go for water quality performance.

2Speaker 2
22:45.64 – 22:48.08

And now it's switch modes.

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You don't get two different teams.

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You get one. You get one piece of land to do both.

1Speaker 1
22:54.20 – 22:58.04

Whenever there's a big storm or hurricane, which, as it happens, is getting more common

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with climate change, all this polluted stormwater runoff gets channeled into them.

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So the treatment marshes are not able to do the job that they were originally intended to

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do, which is to get the water clean enough to send into the Everglades.

2Speaker 2
23:10.74 – 23:16.80

I mean, it seems like they're they're asking too much of these treatment marshes.

1Speaker 1
23:17.08 – 23:23.22

Yeah. Yeah. There's now a 2025 court deadline that requires the water coming out of the

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marshes to meet the pollution limit.

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But scientists say that it is unlikely that that we're going to meet that deadline.

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There's one team of scientists that says another 30,000 acres of treatment marshes are

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going to be needed to meet those goals.

2Speaker 2
23:37.34 – 23:45.14

Yeah. OK, so to recap, basically, Congress set the plan, but hasn't funded the projects

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on time. The water needs to be cleaned and more marshes need to be created.

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That's not happening.

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Meanwhile, more and more development is happening on land that should go back to be

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restored. And on top of that, the ag industry continues to use fertilizers that are

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polluting the water.

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So none of it is working the way it should, essentially.

1Speaker 1
24:09.48 – 24:14.06

Right. So so it's all these problems, a series of problems, and it winds up being like

2Speaker 2
24:14.06 – 24:20.40

whack-a-mole. From everything that you're saying, it sounds like restoring the

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Everglades is kind of an impossible promise.

1Speaker 1
24:24.42 – 24:28.26

I mean, it may be that there are folks who think that that'll never get done.

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But, you know, it turns out that the hammer in all this restoration has has been the

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courts. I mean, they're the ones that can force both governments, the state and the

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federal government, to do things.

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And it's thanks to federal laws like the Clean Water Act that we have this 2025

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deadline for the pollution limits.

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And really, that could help determine how restoration moves forward.

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Because so far, nobody is willing to make the really hard choices that are needed to

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save the Everglades.

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The ag industry, you know, continues to get the water it needs.

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Cities have gotten their water plus flood control and they still get to keep growing.

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And despite all the promises, restoration never seems to be the priority.

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We are now asking the Everglades to do the same job that it did a century ago on half

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the footprint. It's not succeeding and it's dying at the same time.

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And you can see that in every corner of the Everglades, whether it's the tree islands

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where the Miccosukee once lived or algae blooms that are fouling Lake Okeechobee or

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the fishing grounds where Tim Kline was once a trophy winning guide.

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The Everglades is this national treasure, but we're not treating it that way.

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That requires sacrifice.

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And so far, no one is willing to make those sacrifices.

2Speaker 2
25:44.40 – 25:53.10

After all these years of reporting, do you have like one lasting image of the

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Everglades that stays with you, that makes you feel why this place is so important?

1Speaker 1
26:00.98 – 26:06.34

You know, I've thought about that a lot lately and it's almost more than an image.

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It's the sound. South Florida is noisy and busy.

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The high rises and the highways and the traffic jams and the Everglades, no matter

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what part you're in, it's like walking into sometimes nothingness because it is

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wide open, quiet space.

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So you really get the sense of the end of the world.

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You know, we are a peninsula.

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We are literally the the end of North America.

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I mean, I kind of close my eyes and I could like visually see these steps down from

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the sawgrass marshes down into to the mangrove forests.

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It's like you're in this green cathedral and you hear birds and bird song echoing

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through these forests. And you just don't have that kind of solace anyplace else, or

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at least for me.

2Speaker 2
26:57.84 – 27:03.76

Well, thank you so much for all of your reporting and your work on such an

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important topic.

1Speaker 1
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Thank you so much for including the podcast.

2Speaker 2
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That was Jenny Stiletovic, her podcast about the Everglades and its restoration is

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called Bright Lit Place.

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This episode was produced by Justine Yan, our editor is Jenny Schmidt.

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The Sunday Story team includes Andrew Mambo and Liana Simstrom.

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Irene Noguchi is our executive producer.

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