Eric Andre Returns

My name is Eric Andre.

And I feel moist about being Conan O'Brien's friend. Fantastic.

Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walk in blues, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna be friends.

I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan. O'Brien needs a friend. I am joined by my compatriots Sona McCession.

How are you, Sona? Hi, you seem a little prickly today about something I don't know what's going on, but we'll find out soon. What are you talking about?

I'm fine Matt Gorley. Hi, How are you Matt? I'm pretty good.

How are you? good to see you? I'm doing very well. You Okay, yeah.

You okay, yeah, okay, never know. Do I really seem prickly?

You came in a little hot today, I didn't know what was going on. What are you talking about? I think she's responding to you, You also came in hot.

You said I was the dumbest person you ever met before we started recording what could have ever made her feel prickly. Oh yeah, wait a minute, I'm thinking, Then you said, No, I meant the worst person I ever met.

Yes, that's right, right. Yeah, so I corrected it.

You're not the dumbest, you're the worst. Yes, so why would that get you all? I'm not prickly stupid.

I'm fine, stupid, I like that. Can we just start calling you stupid? Yes, you can.

Hey, stupid. But how are you in general? How are you? I'm good, I'm fine.

I was checking my wound, it's fine, I'm okay, What do you have? I cut my finger cutting zucchini, but I'm okay.

It's fine, it's what were you making? What? I was just roasting zucchini as a side dish.

And then I did it on a mandolin and I sliced a piece of my finger off and it was fine. Do your kids eat all kinds of food or are they super picky? No, they eat all kinds.

They do, that's amazing. Well, it's just because we give them a lot of ethnic food and then they just eat a lot of. We tried that with when my kids were little, especially my son, so picky, just wouldn't, super suspicious that everything was poison, would only eat very specific things.

But when I've been around you, they're eating everything, you just can pull something out of the lawn and they'll eat it. It's incredible and we do sometimes.

We just go out there and get something and just put. They eat grass, well, often it's just grass. Yeah, which is weird. I don't think there's any nutritional value to that.

If you put enough spices on it, it's fine. They just look like kids that eat everything they do. They eat a lot, I mean, but Beckett eats now.

Okay, we don't use his name on this podcast, you've said his name many times, many times, never.

A lot of times, never. Yeah, his name's Rick, his name's Rick.

Yeah, okay, I wish this is Rick O'Brien, my son.

I think I had a pretty good save there, yeah, pretty solid. If anyone's mad at me, they'll be like, Where is that? Rick O'Brien No, no.

He's good, but I'm seeing as little kids. Yeah, I was very picky. eater, I was very, very picky.

Were you? Which doesn't work because it was one of six. There's kids, There's a bunch of kids in my family, and I was one of six. You probably got food, hand-me-downs.

Yeah, I'm like, this hamburger doesn't fit me. Yeah, this hamburger fits Neil. The hems on this hot dog are too long.

None of that makes sense, it's just stupid apologies all around, but the point I'm trying to make is that. I remembered once saying to my dad, he was serving us all, something, you know, putting it all on the table. And I said, Don't, you know, I don't like this?

And my father said, Why would I know what you like or what you don't like?

And you know what he said, why would I know what you like or what you don't like? And look, I'm not putting my dad down because I actually think he's has a point. And then when they want to call you Rick, yeah.

Lesson here, Rick, you're going to shut up and you're going to eat that marshmallow and potato sandwich. This is a rare moment of candor from my father. And he was kind of just saying, there's six kids. There's a bunch of animals running around the house, like pets, dogs, cats.

My brother Luke had parakeets. Your grandmother lives with us, you're both parents, work full time. And then suddenly this kid with an orange bowl haircut is saying, Don't you know this isn't my favorite past?

My father said, Well, I barely know who you are. Shut up, open your gob and shove it in. But what were you thinking? He would just go? Make you a special meal that was different from everyone else's.

I don't think for a second, I, I just, you know. Whatever was put in front of me was like, No, I don't, don't you know, I don't eat swordfish, don't you know, and I, you know, this was the 70s.

Nixon was resigning. You know what, it was a tough time. What does that change people's appetites across the nation? Oh, Ok.

I think we were all just on edge about inflation. And what's Ford going to do, and what's this new show? Sir Not Live? Oh, Chevy Chase, left.

Will the show ever continue? And that was the mood of the times. And then here I am saying, I'm not sure this fish is my favorite father.

Hello ding ding ding ding ding. I had a spoon and I was banging it on a cup. That said, Yeah, it, said Nixon in seventy four, and I'm like, ding ding ding, ding ding, father.

Oh God, it's probably real.

This cod is not quite to my liking, I like it a broiled, not fried. And he was like, What, shut up, eat it?

I don't even know which one you are, which one are you, Are you, even one of ours? Are you a boy? Are you a girl?

Are you one of the pets?

All these questions, oh, he's asking them out loud, and I'm like, Well, first of all, as we can all tell, I'm all boy.

Second of all, I'm the one we call Conan, third from the top and fourth from the bottom. La, la, la, la, la. Then neighborhood bullies came in through the window in my own house and beat the shit out of me. Oh my God, father, father, help me.

I would have been one. My father was like, here's, here's, 20 bucks, hit him, hit him again. I think this is truly the first time I felt pity for you.

I actually feel for you really, yeah, that guy I just did, yeah.

Because it felt real, and I do want to. I. I do love my dad and he's a great dad and is still to this day a great dad. But yeah, did he think constantly about what my desires were?

No, because it was a different time, it was the depression. No, yeah.

For me, the depression includes part of my first 10 years of my life. The depression goes from 1929 to 1979 because it includes my depression as a child. Anyway, we got a lot to talk about. Yes, yeah.

We'll pick up more on that, father.

I'd like the toilet seat on the third floor is vinyl, and that's not how I like to ride. And you know, that father, your poor dad. My guest today is a hilarious comedian and host of the Eric Andre show on Adult Swim, which is now in its sixth season. This man delights me, I'm thrilled he's with us.

Eric Andre, welcome.

You launched into this room full of pep and energy, and you are jacked. You're in good shape. You're in great shape. I'm not in great shape, but I'll take it you are.

I've been drinking a little bit. when I drink, I get a little pudgy. When I don't drink, I slim up. you slim up. Real good. But I had my 40th birthday party a month ago.

And it lasted for a month. You went crazy. I like cocktails, What can I say? What's your favorite cocktail?

What do you like all of them? Um, I don't know. It's kind of like, What's your favorite album? It's an unfair question.

You're right, I'm insulted that you would ask such a thing. No, I like a rum old fashioned. I like rum, I like rum a lot.

I love rum, you've got a pirate kind of vibe to you. I do have a pirate vibe, and when I'm on rum, I just sprout an eye patch and a pirate. And I just, it just grows out of me and I God, I love rum.

Yeah, it's fun and then I like to fight people, you know? Uh, a lot of rum, uh. History started in Massachusetts. Massachusetts was a huge rum producer back in the day, back in the day.

So you got it in your veins, brother, are you from Massachusetts? Well, originally from Ireland, but then we hung out in Massachusetts for a while, before that you weren't born in Ireland.

No, but it's so funny, you're from Boston, aren't you? Yeah, I am from Boston, but it's so funny because my name's Conan O'Brien. And I look the way they do, so many people think, Ah, so, you're from Dublin? And I'm like, No, I grew up in, I grew up in Massachusetts, but uh, you were born in Ireland.

No, no, no, I was born in Massachusetts, so why did you lie to me? I didn't? What did I say?

Did I lie? I don't think I did. I'm asking the judge, he goes, I'm, I'm. I started in Ireland and then I moved to Massachusetts. You did.

Thank you, you did say. I started in Ireland, yes, and then we came over to Massachusetts. It was very strange.

That's weird, I subconsciously lied to you. Why did I do that? You're a strange man, you're drunk on rum.

Well, I'm going to say, right now, this is a coke zero, it's got nothing in it, no, I started out in Lebanon, then it was off to Ireland for my dreams to come true. Then I made my way to Boston because I heard that was the show business capital of the world.

Oh yeah, turns out that was a mistake. Oh, right, under the Sicko Stein. That's where everybody happens, that's where it all happens.

That's where they film Goodfellas and Godfather, all good movies. Start right underneath the sitco side, right under the sitco side next to Fenway Park, that's right.

Okay, I'm going to make sense of this because we have things to talk about, tell me everything. We can't be screwing around, no.

This is a serious interview. Do you feel distracted? Am I creating a distracting environment? I think you should go.

I think I want to continue my interview with Eric Andre without Eric Andre, because you're a distraction. I'm sorry you're getting in the way of my interview with you. Yeah, I love you.

You're great. I love you too. You're a very funny man. You're a very creative man. you're a force for good.

Thank you, I was very excited that I'd be seeing you today. I think the last time we talked, it was over Zoom, and then today you come bursting in the door, yeah.

We hugged, yeah, we kissed. I felt we kissed for quite a long time. You became moist.

I felt your musculature. Then we fought for a bit, which surprised me. Oh, it didn't surprise me, it shocked me. You took the first swing.

I blocked, it, came right back and then I was doing major kickboxing on you. You were shocked. I did Taibo, you did Taibo, I did taibo on you. Which isn't a good defense.

No, it's a very good exercise, great exercise, not a good martial art. You weren't even facing me as you did Taibo, I know.

It made me easy to hit, I just was hitting you with a chair, you were pummeling me.

I'm bleeding out. Then you started doing squats as I punched you in the face. I don't know, I don't understand any of it. Now we're here.

I'm very, very, very happy to have you here. I'm so glad that you got a new season of the show coming out which people absolutely adore. You've got great people on the show this year, you always get terrific guests, you always get great people to play along.

Who we got this year? It's like, Jon Hamm, I don't remember. Oh, Jon Hamm, Yeah, Lil Nas x.

Yeah, good friend of mine, Lil Yachty, a lot of lils. Yeah, a lot of lils.

Porn star Mia Khalifa Who you're going to pretend you don't know any of her work? CONAN Oh my god, this morning, I did a nine-hour deep dive on her work.

She enunciates the dialogue very well, that's what she's known for. Her diction is perfect. I am the contaminator. I didn't notice anything else.

You've got this great trajectory, which is, you've made this show up completely. It's like, sheer force of will. You pretty much made it all happen yourself in a lot of ways. Right at the beginning. This was a homegrown project. Yeah, it was a junkyard show.

It was you when you put together your show. You were living on couches, yeah, yeah, where I was sleeping outside.

I would sleep in little parks because I was too afraid to sleep in Central Park, I would sleep in St. Vartan's Park in Murray Hill. I had toothbrushes all around town, you had toothbrushes hidden in the park.

Yeah, I did, just hidden in the park, I think it was third rock from the pond to the left. Here it is oral B with sensodyne. I would do stand-up at night.

I would do over-mics and I would ask the audience if I could sleep over and sleep on their couches. And you meant it, and I meant it, I meant it, wow.

Did it heat up in here or am I excited? What do you mean? Don't you feel like it's hotter than when we started? Yeah, that's your body heat.

You think it's just.

You're glowing, I'm pregnant, there's an omelet cooking on your shoulder. It got hotter, didn't it?

I think it got hotter because I don't mean to flatter myself. But I think you saw me, I did, and I think you thought, Shit, I'm sitting with that. CONAN O'BRIEN That's right, I didn't realize.

That's right, and you had to up your game. I looked into those Lebanese eyes, and I knew Lebanese-Irish eyes, and you knew you had to take it up a notch.

That's right, your hair looks good, man. it looks okay. it's been pushed back by my. it looks good.

It looks okay, it's a wig, I bought it from the I wouldn't even care. I bought it from the estate of Lucille Ball.

The only thing is that it straps around my chin with a little strap, that's the thing that always gives it away. Sometimes it slides back like a Yamaha. I wouldn't have it any other way. Okay, so I mean,....

Let's focus. But I want to get before the show. Where your first passion is music, and you, yeah, jazz, jazz. I went to Jazz in your Neck of the Woods Berkeley College of Music.

That's right. You went to Berkeley College of Music, which is still. I was there not too long ago and I was walking around near the Berkeley College of Music. And everybody there was so funny. I saw a kid hustling to class late and he was holding the largest...

I don't know if.

Like, cello case, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I was just yeah.

And running to class, holding a giant 60-pound cello case that dwarfed this person. Yeah, yeah. And I thought I had an upright bass two class on my head because I was so tired of schlepping it the conventional way.

What a cool instrument, though, the upright bass. It's cool, but it is not a good career choice or life choice. So if I had a choice between like, and let's say the goal was to make a ton of money, yeah.

Hedge fund or playing jazz, stand-up bass? Yeah, what do you think is the better way to go? Well, I think you know the answer to that, brother, Yeah, okay.

And that's why I work at a hedge fund now.

I was thinking it'd be great if it came out that you and I co-founded a hedge fund and it was just killing it. But it was very unethical. Oh yeah, really, like we were doing really unethical stuff and people ponzi schemes, yeah, and people were saying like, I don't understand. Conan O'Brien and Eric Andre team up, but what are they doing?

We're buying lower-income housing, evicting people, we're tearing it down, and then we're selling it to nuclear power plants. That's right, and it's got a name that isn't even it's got some name like Stilex.

But you know what's interesting and talk about this that you am I getting you off track because you have a specific question? I don't.

I really don't, are you sure? Well, it's mostly about financial stuff. Do you want to know how much is in my bank account? I should do a show where that's what it's all about.

Let's get down to it, brother, and we really crunch it. And then we have your accountant call in. Yes, okay, no, he's land-rich.

He's got a lot of properties. But, you know, I would like us to have more liquidity. And then we really crunch it down because that's what people want to know about you. ERIC Yeah, the comedy is not interesting to people, I agree.

No one watches you. Most of your fan base, I mean, I think you famously said, your fan base is like college dudes and black skateboarders. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, that's a perfect description.

That is my demo. But no, they don't. And you know what, I just moved here, I moved back to New York.

We're in New York City right now. Yeah, after 15 years in L.A. And I was like, I need to go to a neighborhood. My profile is a little bit higher than when I was here last and homeless.

What's like a quiet, safe neighborhood? Everyone will leave me alone, the East Village, that's where none of my demographic will true.

And I was wrong, brother, you were wrong. I was dead wrong. Well, here's the thing when you....

Remember what I said about College Bros. and Black skateboarders? You were wrong. That's their mecca. You need to be in, like living in Jackie Onassis old neighborhood, like on the Upper East side. I was going to say the same thing.

Where everybody's?

I don't mean to generalize, but I'm just going to say there's a certain neighborhood where most people are very old, very white, very rich. Yeah, and they probably don't watch adult swim or the air conditioning, they don't watch adult swim.

They don't know who I am, they think I'm a very, they think I'm an actress who's aging poorly. And they're like, Conan, I loved you in Tar. I'm like, Why did you know my name was Conan then?

And they say, like, Well, I fucked up the joke and then we get real deconstructive.

They're like, Julianne Moore has been drinking.

Poor Julianne Moore is getting.

People see me around and go, Oh my god, poor Julianne Moore, what happened? And then people come up to her and say, you were looking pretty rough. I saw you walking down the street with Eric Andre.

No, what are you talking about? Are all actors completely psychotic and emotionally disturbed? Have you ever met a single actor who is like, Hey, I'm grounded, I go to therapy and there's nothing wrong with me.

They're all like.

Every single actor I've ever met completely, there's always one exception that proves the rule. There's one that's like a nice, balanced person.

Yeah, Tom Hanks seems like a normal person, unless he's committing a string of serial crimes in the Pacific Northwest that nobody knows about. But you're right, most people that get into the performing arts, myself included, we're not well. I'm not an actor, but I'm not well.

Should I start zoloft? I have Zoloft in my medicine cabinet and I'm just looking at it and I'm like, Should I do? Another decade of crippling anxiety?

So did you get the prescription? I stole it, or you found this? One man's trash is another man's trash.

The expiration date is like.

That's when they really hit. Yeah, it's from the first bush administration, the elder bush. Those have just basically turned into salt now.

They're not even a medication anymore, and they're delicious, brother, they're like anchovies from Sicily.

Okay, so let's talk about this because this is something that I do think we need to explore. Which is, you talk a lot about your crippling anxiety. And yet you have chosen this form of comedy, which I would find to be the most anxiety producing of all. Which is, pranks terrify me when I've been around them, or when people have wanted me to sort of participate in a prank. I've been terrified, really, something's going to go wrong.

You exude confidence, also you're so giant, you're like Paul Bunyan, I can't imagine you.

You Howard and Sacha Baron Cohen are so gigantic. you guys just all exude confidence to me, you're just so high up there. The personality is formed when you're young and afraid and your brothers are beating the shit out of you, and that's when the personality is formed.

It never changes. And you're going to school with carrot. Red hair and two front teeth that are dead and freckles, you don't have two front teeth that are dead. I did when I was a little kid, I fell in the driveway and my two front teeth died.

And my parents said, well, dentists back then were like, leave them in. The other ones will come out in a few years. And so I walked around with these two gray teeth in front, it looked like corn that had rotted. You were like a chimney sweep from 19th century Britain.

And I had a bowl haircut that my mother insisted on. I looked like the Wendy's girl on crack and I'd stumble around. And Boston is a tough town.

People are tough there. Yeah, there was a lot of running away, I remember running away from people a lot. Pranks.

For a person with anxiety, how can I do such anxiety provoking things? Yes, I think that's actually part of it, and I've talked to my therapist about it a lot and I think it has something to do.

I think my anxiety add and my OCD, they're all in a band together, they're all jamming out together. And I think the only time I feel alive that was in my head, but I didn't want to say it. I was like, I can't say that I'm like the guitar player from Aerosmith.

The only time I feel alive is when I'm doing something that's so high stakes and threatening my life that it helps me focus. Maybe that's me trying to play armchair psychologist to myself. My fear would not be that I would get hurt, my fear would be that someone else might get hurt.

Emotionally or physically? No, no, well, both, but physically too. Like you're shooting something or it's supposed to look like someone got badly hurt. But they didn't.

But what if someone else rushed in and then they got hurt? I don't know. That's always the thing that's in my mind. Oh, I don't think about it that much, yeah.

I go into it blind. Yeah, well, I think it helps that you're a sociopath.

That also helps. My medulla is the size of a popcorn kernel. Is that what sociopaths have? Do they have, like a neurological thing? We scanned you.

When you were downstairs in the Sirius building getting your quote pass, we also scanned your mind. Yeah, sociopath. Yeah, a loud entry.

You have no frontal or lateral lobes at all, there's just nothing there. I'm like, that guy Phineas Gage. I got a railroad spike through my frontal lobe. Oh my god.

You knew his name, you knew his name. I'm a big Phineas Gage fan. Are you kidding me? I love his work.

I got his albums. This is the guy that accidentally got a railroad spike in his head and then lived for a long time, right? Yeah, so he's like an early, early 20th century, yeah.

Or maybe even late late 19th century. He got a railroad spike through his frontal lobe. Question mark Yeah, and it didn't kill him, but it, like, changed his behavior.

He thought he was a choo-choo train.

He used to say, I'm leaving the station, woo.

That's okay. Phineas Okay, all right, no.

Yeah, he got really cool after he got a spike through his head. It was like punk rock, it was like a body mod, my god.

I can imagine a guy like that getting all that attention. And then today he'd get a whole bunch of attention on Instagram and he'd blow up. And everyone would be talking about Phineas gage and spike through his head. And I know that two weeks later, he'd see it start to drop. And so he'd say, it's time to have. Another piece of metal blasted into my head in a different direction, and he'd be instantly killed.

But he would spike again. Yeah, he'd go out, he'd go out. Trending.

Back then, you could have a whole lifetime being, Hey, you're Phineas Gage, the guy that got a railroad spike through the head. High. Five me, not anymore. And then it's like, Yeah.

No, the spike thing was cool, but that's so. 1998.

Yeah, what have you done lately? The good old days are behind us, man. You could just get one railroad spike through the head and you'd be on Easy Street for the rest of your career.

So this leads to my next question Have you ever done a sketch? And adult swim? Was like, Okay, not that one, we're not going to let you do that one. The only one they ever cut. We had a pro al Qaeda country song.

That's the only one. It was like, Oh sweet, Al Qaeda, can't believe I never tried you something like that.

And what was the point of view of this country singer? That al Qaeda has been? We've been shitting on them too much and it's time for them to catch a break. Yeah, it was like, there's a lot of anti al Qaeda sentiment. They need a PR shake up, so they have a country song.

Yeah, so we had a country singer come in and sing a pro al Qaeda country song, and they and they, that's the only thing they ever cut. And I'm like, defecating on my desk every other interview and they're like, Eh, no problem.

Right in front of celebrities, right? have you had? Have you had celebrities walk out? yeah.

Who's walked out? The rapper T.I walked out, and Lauren Conrad, the reality TV show star Oh, from the Hills or something.

Yeah, don't act like you don't know. No, no, I'm not. We dated and then we were married and then divorced.

Then remarried, then divorced again. But that was a long time ago, that was weeks ago, yeah.

Yeah, so she walked out because she didn't like the flavor of your question. I vomited on the desk during the interview. I thought you slightly, you put something, you phrased something in a slightly insulting way, you misspoke.

And she walked out, No, it's fine. I vomited, I vomited, and then I slurped the vomit back off.

Okay, that'll do it. She didn't think that was cool. Yeah, a little too blue.

My real achievement was I had a guest walk out before I even interviewed them, which was, Yeah, he's a famous director. Abel Farrar Oh, I know I love Abel Farrar. yeah, he's a genius. And he showed up and he just had a panic attack.

He was watching me on the monitor and he had a panic attack. This is when we were in Rockefeller Center and he just said, I'm out, and he ran towards the elevator and got on the elevator. And the segment producer Frank Smiley chased him and lost him, but then found him. And there was a bar on the street level, I think, called Hurley's, and found him there.

And said, Come on, you got to come back. And he was like, Oh, okay, okay, and he pulled him back really, so he made it just in time.

But the idea that I actually had a guest walk before I even spoke to them was quite an achievement. What did you do, what did you say? It wasn't anything, I....

I think he just got really nervous. I think he saw me and said, I can't talk to that crazy man with the pastry for hair. I can't talk to him. So he ran away. Which is quite, yeah, have you had pranks?

Go awry, or maybe you're in it and it's not happening the way you want it to go. Yeah, that's every day, that's every time you shoot a prank. going awry means different things to different people.

So going awry?

Going awry can be great. yeah, going awry is I'm in the going awry business, but not getting anywhere. The prank being a dud happens constantly.

You have to shoot so much more than actually airs. I think bad trip probably. We shot the final movie, you're only seeing like 30 of the stuff we shot, right, right?

Well, that proves the thing I've been saying forever, which is to me.

And it doesn't just apply to comedy, but when you see something that you really like, it's all about what you didn't show. Because I do think there are people that would look at your stuff and think, yeah, that's just....

Anytime you go out and do anything, it's all going to be magic all the time. No 90 of it is unwatchable. Garbage, trash.

Jesus Take it easy, man, you okay?

You still have those pills? are they handy? can you get to them? I snort zoloft, don't snort zoloft.

That's not how it works. Oh, in a few weeks it's going to kick in, man.

I wish that you would get on a mood stabilizer so powerful that it was a giant pill. And like a horse, they had to put it in a tube and blow it into your mouth.

Why? Why do you want that for me? because it would just be funny for me, like, it's time, it's time, Eric.

You're like, Oh shit, and you open your mouth and they come in with a big tube and they get a veterinarian to do it. Or else they have a dart gun and they chase you with it and you're trying to get away.

Get him in the carotid, like, I'm Harambe or something. I got a three-year-old in my hand, whipping him around. I wish drinking was good for you, wouldn't that be great?

It would solve all my problems. It was rich with vitamins and antioxidants. Turns out, ethanol is poison, it's concentrated poison.

I'm like, Yeah, that's a problem. I also wish regular exercise shortened your life.

And I try and get my heart rate up at least six times a week. Okay, we got to stop that now. Are you drinking well water?

Oh God, no, no, no, no, no. Sugary, fruity rum drinks. You need to drink so many of them that when you wake up in the morning, you wish you were dead, you wish that you were dead.

You've got a pina colada machine behind you, you're going to need it. Back in the day, doctors would smoke cigarettes in the office. Yes, of course, yeah, while they were talking to you about your lung x-ray.

That's insane, you know? What's crazy, though? There are these people like Winston Churchill, obviously an example of that guy, that health nut. He hated vegetarians.

He called them bean eaters, those bean eaters. But he ate and he drank constantly. All he'd eat was roast beef and Yorkshire pudding. He's drinking and he's power smoking cigars all day long.

Dies at like 94.

Are you serious? He lived a really long time. It's not fair all these friends of his around him were saying, Winston, please get a hold of yourself, man.

One of my favorite quotes is Peter O'Toole, one of the greatest actors of all time. Late in life, they said, What are you doing now that you've retired, like Sir O'Toole, because he's knighted? They said. What are you up to these days? Because you're acting less?

What are you doing? And he said, How do you spend your time? And he said, I attend the funerals of friends of mine who took exercise.

He's a legendary drinker, just drank his way through the 60s, like all those guys and George Burns cigars, till he was, like, 101 years old, yeah.

So what does that mean? is it all genetics? is it just a genetic crapshoot? Yeah, they do. Or should I start doing hgh now and all crazy Dwayne the Rock Johnson kind of drugs?

I should, that's a myth. It's all pure with Dwayne, he's 75 years old. No, what do I do?

All joking aside, I do think it's been shown that the cigarette thing is probably a gene, meaning there are people genetically, I don't think they've isolated that gene. But there are people who can smoke. And they're much less, less, less, less likely to get any kind of lung cancer.

My guess is that Keith Richards is like one of those people. It's insane to inhale the combustion of tobacco steadily, steadily. Since 1957. I think Keith Richards started smoking in the crib.

And then, yeah, but he. But what about all the drinking? Winston Churchill was like, He was like Jack Kerouac. He was like, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug. That's another thing, too, where I think he was drinking throughout the day, but not, no, he was not Jack Kerouac.

He was not a blackout drunk, he was not drinking like that. He was drinking in a different way. He was drinking in this sophisticated English imperialist way he was drinking. It's 5 o'clock somewhere, is his quote.

He would drink gin like all day, wouldn't he? I don't, but I don't think he was. I don't think it was glug, glug, glug drinking. That's all I'm saying is. And I also think it helps when you're an imperial power.

When you're, you know, colonialists, they're just. There's something about that system that preserves the organs.

It doesn't make any sense. No, everything I'm saying, so, should I take over a country? yes, should I take over? Like a small Caribbean island? Make a monocrop system.

Yes, and if you, if you exploit their resources for your good cobalt, yeah, exactly, and then underpay them, yeah.

You can drink all you want, oh, and you'll live forever, all right?

I like the way this is going. I'm off to Papau, New Guinea. You are an essentially good person, but I keep convincing you to get a hedge fund. Yep, be a slumlord.

Become a slumlord, eat, expired zoloft, yeah, and then colonize other countries for your own good, all right.

That's all you take out of this thing.

I think I heard you say once that it's did I answer a single one of your questions? No, but that's not the point of this, are you sure? yeah?

I was, I was, I was. No, no, you're doing very well. I was anxious. No, no, no, but we, you know, this is, this is my method.

Okay, and this is my way of helping you. Okay, by not answering the questions, you're answering the ultimate question. Wow.

Yeah, incredible, that's a fucking trip, man. Yeah, yeah.

I own that quote now, hashtag, Conan wrote that.

You're Howard Stern's favorite interview. That's gotta feel good, it does feel good, that's gotta be. That would be my Oscar, that'd be beyond an Oscar.

I'd still, I'd prefer the Oscar, because if I had an Oscar, you know what I would do, I would, I would have it bolted to the hood of my car. Normally, people always act kind of coy, like, Oh, no, it's at home or it's in the broom closet. No, I would have it mounted on the on the on the hood of my car and drive around and then act surprised when people notice it.

If I had a Cable Ace Award, I would be doing that, I would duct tape it to the front of my door. I love that you even know what a Cable Ace Award is. I came up through the Cable Ace Awards.

Cable Ace Awards raised me. Your mother was the Cable Ace Awards. you suckled at the teeth of the Cable Ace Awards. The Cable Ace Awards shaped my worldview. Brother. Let me explain to our listeners, who are very young and doesn't know what a cable ace is.

But a long time ago, they had a separate award show for cable, and it was really looked down on like, now HBO just gets the Emmy like anyone else. Yeah. But back then it was the Cable Ace Awards, and when I first got to L.A. I was nominated for a Cable Ace Award. And I went to a Cable Ace Award show.

And it was my introduction to the world because I was working on an HBO show. But it was back when you got HBO at an, you know, like, I want to watch HBO. Let's go find a motel and check into it. I went to a cable Ace Awards and just, and I've never been to an award show before, I'm 22..

I'm from Boston by way of Ireland and Lebanon, and I'm excited. And I'm sitting in the audience. And someone came out with a headset and a clipboard and said, Ladies and gentlemen, the top of the show, the group, the temptations are going to come out. Or the four tops, I forget which, but let's say it's the four tops, the four tops are going to come out.

They're going to sing a medley of their hits, they'll be dressed as spacemen. They will have pretend laser guns. The lasers will be added later in special effects. When they all in unison, point a laser, all of you please go ooh, as if a laser has been fired.

Thank you very much. And I was like, What? And then, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Cable Ace Awards 1985. It's the four tops Sugar Pie, Honey Hole, Sugar Pie, Kazoo.

And we all went woo.

Sugar pie you don't want to be kazing. Wow. And I thought, Oh, show business is complete embarrassing, bullshit. it's the most embarrassing. I wish I was an attorney.

I wish I was a tax attorney who worked in a big office tower. I'm just sad for everybody. That was the Cable Ace Awards. And so you're so much younger than me. How do you even know?

That's not true. Yes, it is true. You are 20 years younger than me. No, I don't believe that. Okay?

Well, I know I look amazing, I mean, I fucking look amazing. Can you tell? People can't see right now? But I'm not wearing a shirt and my chest is oiled, and it's....

You should be like, my eyes are up here, honey.

I mean, you intentionally gained a whole bunch of weight for the prior season, season five, season five, and then for this season, season six. I got shredded, so when you gained, you gained a lot of weight, I gained 40 pounds.

I wasn't good at it. It was like fluctuating a lot. You could see my weight fluctuate throughout the episodes, and it was probably 40 45 pounds. It was fun.

It was awesome, that was the most fun body modification. That was like pizza at night, all the pina coladas. You could ingest, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at night. And then you get really depressed. But in the beginning, it's fucking awesome.

But what sucks is I never had I am older, and I never had problems with weight ever. I was always skinny and I could always eat whatever I want. But after that season, your fat cells, when they expand, they just go. Oh, I can do that now and now. For the first time. I have to watch what I eat and I can't drink as much as I want, and I permanently jack myself up.

And then I got shredded for this season, and then as soon as I wrapped, we wrapped last year shooting this season, and the second I wrapped. I ate like an entire unsliced pizza, and then I went to bed, and then I woke back up. And then I ate like six bagels. And then I went to Portugal and I drank like 40 gallons of wine.

And then it just all went, you know, like all came crashing down. Well, you still look good, you look, I mean, this is, you know? When you came in, I thought like, No, he's looking good, he's looking good. It's a lot more. I'm wearing a lot more sweatpants and a lot less jeans.

That's a sign that I'm a little thick, calling it thick to work. When I take my shirt off, I look like an orangutan about to breastfeed.

So very maternal, that's great, just voluptuous. Brown, a male orangutan about to breastfeed, which is very rare. Those are the rarest orangutans of all.

I, you know, what I can identify is, I think we were both the same. This way is. I had this great run, right? A crazy high metabolism, yeah, and I could not.

So in my twenties and thirties, and I look at pictures of myself from that era, and I was eating like a maniac. Disgusting and have a very clear memory of getting lunch. And this is when I met SNL and Dana Carvey's there and he's watching me. And I order a cheeseburger and French fries, I order a chocolate ice cream soda with chocolate ice cream.

And then when that's done, I order a coke and I drink the coke, and then when that's done, I order an ice cream sundae. And I'm skinny as a rail. And he said, How old are you, Conan? and I said, I'm 24, and he went, Enjoy this.

Enjoy it. And so now he's right, I flash back to that and go, Oh, that's what he was talking about. The metabolism slows down.

It does, that's why I do cocaine, it speeds things up, speeds it right up. I smoke a lot.

It really helps kill the appetite, hgh.

Great, I have fantasized some about taking a lot of stuff. I want to start doing crazy steroids and stuff and getting jacked like carrot top. I just saw him live.

Oh yeah, for my 40th birthday, I went to Vegas with my friends, and before my friends got there, I just went and saw a show. It was incredible, yeah.

I think people are too mean to him. People were mean to him in the 90s. I thoroughly enjoyed it and he was a total sweetheart. And he is almost 60..

And he's jacked, He's a very nice guy, He's a very sweet guy, but he's crazy jacked. And I thought my fans would just think it was really funny if I suddenly got jacked.

Yeah, they would laugh at it, yeah, and also anything I tried to do after that wouldn't be funny, yeah.

Yeah, that's why it all came crashing down. I was in the best shape I'd been since I was 18 years old. But I was like, this has no comedic value really. And it's only funny in relationship to the previous season because it's such a drastic change.

But as a life choice, like a comedian, you can't be ripped as a comedian. Also, it's very hard, you have to look disgusting. I get infuriated when incredibly good looking people are very funny, it enrages me.

And I'm thinking of, like, Jon Hamm is really funny and Tim Oliphant is really funny, and they're torture. And it enrages me because I think, no, no, no, this was my consolation prize.

Yeah, this is the cookie I got because I was born looking like this. You can't give it to him, he can't get the same cookie that I got.

It's not fair, it's not fair. It's like that Drew Carey joke, he's the funniest joke, he said. These nude paparazzi photos of Brad Pitt leaked where he was naked.

And he had a huge penis and he's like, that's not fair. He's like, you can't be that good looking and have a huge penis. He's like, Ron Jeremy, we get it, okay.

They gave him something as he was headed out the door just before they sent him to Earth. They were like, Oh, we're sorry, give him one of these elephant trunk, all right.

There you go, you feel better now. Kind of Drew Carey goes. This guy is so unmarried, so hot.

He's got such a big cock. And then Drew Carey goes, I'm sitting at home, jerking off to a bootleg copy of Precious this guy's fucking Angelina Jolie.

I know I'm giving him credit, I know comics get sensitive, but it's a joke that he's probably done a bunch of times. Drew Carey is going to come after me after this podcast.

He's going to come after you now. I don't think so. He has to tape so many of those game shows in a day, he doesn't have time.

I love how dirty. Have you seen his stand-up live? He's hella dirty. Oh really. yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because he does the game shows and you can't be dirty on the game shows. So it's pent up, it's pent up, and he says, crazy shit, it's hardcore.

It's like a Gigi Allen concert. Why doesn't he just do it one time on the game show, on the game show like that, and then just do one where he goes for it?

And then, of course, they can't air it, but they put it online and they give everyone a prize in the audience, so they're all happy. Why not?

Because we live in a weird, puritanical society where we still have standards and practices and censor boards, and it's like an old school thing censorship, right? You can't say a curse word, or it will put a curse on your family.

That's crazy, that's medieval, right? Yeah, it's less and less.

I mean, when I got into it, there really was I remember having a you couldn't say Hell. I wrote a sketch for Chris Rock. And I remember sitting down with actual people in suits who were saying, All right, let's go through this.

This word's out, really, this word's out, like the censors. Yes, yes.

You really met the censors? Oh, they came in, they were like, Well, this is out and this is out, and of course, this is out. But then what was really weird is I would offer replacements that were often worse.

And they would say yes, of course, because they just wanted to show that they had done. We went in and we did our job and we took this stuff out, so we took out penis and then Conan put in massive cockaroo, all right.

Very good, okay, what's the plan for the rest of the day? What are we doing, going right back to bed, dude?

Face down on my floor, kitchen floor, cold tile. Okay, all right.

Did I answer any of your questions? I think in a way, you answered every question. Did I? Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I thought it was Adam way in.

Eric's self-conscious about not answering questions. But this was a delightful conversation. I'm such a fan and I get so excited. You're like Santa Claus. It was a conversation, it was great.

You know what it was, it was two jazz musicians, you with your stand-up face and me with my piccolo.

We're just feeding it back and forth. You're wearing sunglasses and I'm wearing a miner's helmet, and we're just going for it right on. Fuzzy Duck.

It's three in the morning, the club's empty, but we're just playing because we love to play. Eisenhower Spending my tax dollars on them highways, no way, Jack.

Oh, that reference made me so happy. Oh fuck, Beatnik. references Beatnik.

No way, Ike, not my tax dollar. That's how tame our country used to be. Eisenhower wanted to build highways that connected the states using tax dollars, which really weren't that much. And some Beatniks were mad about it.

I'm not playing my bongos till Ike.

Oh.

That reference made me happy. Well, you know what? I wrote? That reference during the first Cable Ace Awards. I'm 85 years old. Ladies and gentlemen, the four tops are about to enter.

It will look like they're ejaculating, but they're not. Semen will be added later. Pretend to be impressed that they're firing them like lasers. Really happened, you know what?

I'm just thrilled to know you, glad to consider us friends. Even though you ghost me every time I text, I'm not going to make eye contact to you. As soon as they hit cut, I'm going to look at the floor and walk out.

I'm going to get up when this is over, I'm going to stand up to approach you and say, Hey, I love that. That was really fun. And someone that works for you is going to step in between us and then you'll be whisked out of the room.

No, nobody. I have no entourage, I have no agent, no manager. My lawyer is Legalzoom.com.

Seriously, you know who I stole that joke from? In conversation? Matt Groening told me that joke, Oh, really, he goes. You know, I've never had an agent.

I go, Yeah, he goes. I just have a lawyer. I go get out of here. You've never had an agent. He goes. I just never got an agent.

Seriously? And then he goes, Yeah, Legalzoom..com.

You know, my favorite thing that I used my memory of Matt is when I was on the Simpsons. He would come in and he would be in his travels around the world, he would see. When he saw the most horrific, comically horrific bootleg of a Simpsons product, he would buy it and then bring it back to the writer's room to show us. Not because he was going to pursue an illegal action, just because it cracked him up, he loved it, and I don't know somewhere in Mexico, he found. Someone had tried to make a wooden replica of Bart Simpson's head and then painted it with shoe polish. And was like selling it on the side of the road.

And he bought it, and he brought it in, and it was Bart. But he looked like he'd been in a horrible accident and then had a disease that inflated parts of his head, but not other parts. And Matt was like a little kid, he was like, Isn't this great? And he kept a big collection of them.

I thought, that's cool, I like that. Yeah, that's the highest compliment you could give. Matt. Eric, I want to thank you for being my best friend.

Yes, my only friend, my only friend. Really. no, and seriously keep making things.

You make people really happy and you've got a great loving spirit and you're crazy funny. And thank you. Thanks for being out there and doing your thing. I appreciate it. The feeling's mutual. Appreciate you.

Okay, I appreciate you, and let's let's kiss. let's finally kiss. Okay, all right.

Here I come.

I don't know what, that's the sound of me kissing.

That's like a squid that got stuck in a blender.

That's how I kiss, that's my wedding night. Come here, Eliza.

It's like Nixon, Nixon eating squid.

Keep going, I think you got a little more.

Well, I'm just saying, I'm concerned, I'm concerned about the future of this podcast, and I think we need to clear the air a little bit. Here's the issue. The issue is that this potential booking has arisen, and the reason we started fighting beforehand is. I just said, I'm worried Sona about this podcast, this booking happening because there might be some issues.

That's all I'm saying. You don't normally talk about bookings on the show before the show happens, sure, and you don't like talking about potential bookings because you don't want to jinx it.

I know, I know that this goes against my rules, but you also know that I'm a very freeform kind of guy. Okay, no, no, no, I just.

You've been blazed like, No, no, no, it's wincing. You know that I'm not a control guy. Real Pauly Shore over here.

Dinah Shore, Yes, Pauly Shore, No, I don't know. First of all, I've blown who our guest is. Yeah, yeah.

Let's figure out your references ahead of time. Yeah, no, I'm just saying, I happen to know that he crafted his material. PAUly What I'm trying to say is that I'm very much in touch with the energy around me, I go with the flow.

I don't overthink things, and that's, I think, what's made me a household name. Yeah, if you're a fan of the Conan, The Barbarian films, I don't know.

I don't know who the guy was that you just described. I don't know I was talking about the Conan movies. People love those movies anyway. Here's what's happening, loyal listeners or people just tuning in for the first time.

There's a potential guest on the horizon. It hasn't been locked down yet, but he wants to do the podcast. And I've interviewed him several times or many times in the past on the Late Night Show and always love him. And the problem is, there's someone in this room who's such a super fan that I almost worry about this gentleman's safety and security during the interview. Mine.

No, oh, just stop being a wise ass for one second, okay? I want you to accept the fact that there's a maybe 50-50 chance that you will be in a room with Harrison Ford in the near future. And that he might be a guest on the podcast and you would sit here and participate in that interview?

He would be sitting, maybe about, I'm going to say, that's about a foot and a half from you, we can make that a foot if we really. No, no, no, no. Taking the wheels off these rolly chairs, I don't want you wheeling over to him every second and cuddling.

You are a massive James Bond fan, but you also are a fanatic, a Harrison Ford fanatic. Yeah, Star Wars, you name it, anything Harrison Ford has done. You saw him in Eugene O'Neill's Iceman Cometh in the audience.

He was there working on a seat that was broken. You are obsessed with this man. Harrison Ford Yeah, he's my favorite actor of all time. He's played Indiana Jones and Han Solo, two of my favorite characters.

He's a carpenter, he's gruff, he suffers no fools. I think you're right, you should worry about this.

Yes, I'm glad, Sona, I think you're going to be cool. Oh, I'm going to be cool, yeah.

You're fine, you like you some Harrison Ford. I love Harrison Ford, but you can control yourself. This is uncharted territory.

I'm a professional, I've been around major stars my whole life. What? Yeah, you haven't been around major stars your whole life?

My father was a microbiologist. You're also bearing the lead. He's not a professional. What I meant was major stars in the world of microbiology. Oh, right, right, right.

Okay, yeah, people that have done incredible work on antibiotic resistance. What did you think? I'm sorry.

I thought you meant celebrities like TV stars and film stars, these aren't celebrities to me. Oh, I'm sorry, okay. We all have to look out for antibiotic resistance.

Okay, use those antibiotics wisely. Okay, but huge names in that field, that's what I was talking about.

I'm sorry I misunderstood you. Do you think you're going to be able to get it together if Harrison Ford ends up doing the podcast? Truly? yeah.

I think when I'm really, really appreciate and revere someone like this. I will probably end up being a little bit more reserved and a little bit more on guard. Because I really don't want to blow it, you know, mm-hmm, because if I play my cards right, he and I are leaving the house, Oh what?

What, No. Let's spin out this scenario for a little bit, tell us what, let's hear it. What do you think happens, Matt?

We walk straight down to Chipotle. Oh, we pick out each other's meals for each other. oh, we try to size each other up. Like, I bet you're one of these guys.

Right, and I get him and I nail it, and he's like, What did you get him that nailed it? I just got him. A bean and cheese burrito with some cilantro and a tomato.

There's some tomato. wait, a whole tomato. Well, they cut it up, they cut it up. I thought you took a big chance and said, Oh, and Mr.

Ford will have a whole tomato on the side, he's going to eat it like an apple. Have you been to Chipotle?

What the fuck?

He's like a bear. I hope you know what I'm rooting for, what? I hope that you overstep the bounds and I hope you blow it in some way. That's maybe even catastrophic for this podcast, but I would live off the pure joy of that screw up forever.

Challenge accepted.

Unleashed I think, yeah, unclick. I guess. I thought that when I first heard he was a possibility. I thought you would do something to keep me and Matt away from it, Matt especially.

I tried, I tried very hard. But he said, the only reason that he's doing it is because of you two. Oh yeah, apparently that makes sense.

He doesn't even think I'm going to be here. Yeah, that makes good sense, that guy's not going to be there, is he? This is my Harrison Ford.

Is that your Harrison Ford? I just woke up. This is General Patton. It sounds like Clint Eastwood. I'm going to kill those nazis.

Hey General Patton, I'm not Patton, I'm Harrison Ford, No.

He is very funny, he's very dryly funny. yeah, a very, very funny guy, and in that sense, I think I understand.

He's not the person you can be desperate around. So I probably will just clam up because I'm not going to try to make someone who doesn't like fools like me. You know what I mean, right, right?

I'm probably going to be pretty scared. I'm convinced that I will still be needy. Because that never changes. No, that never changes, right?

I'll do some things that irritate him throughout the interview on purpose, I think probably, yeah, yeah, just to get him going.

I'll say, I don't think airplanes are great machines, I don't think it's a great design. And we should probably just mankind should stop using them. What the hell I mean, I could...?

So I think that would be one thing that could say.

Yeah, you need to get to a point where you could just fly someone with him. That's where we're going right after Chipotle.

Just the two of you. We're going to fly from chipotle to chipotle and pick up full tomatoes, you know what you should do, you should convince him, just do a lot of reading that you're an avid pilot and then become friendly with him. And then take him up and reveal right after liftoff that you've never done this before.

That's like a scene from Temple of Doom. Can you fly? No, can you, Oh God, what?

Don't do that when he's here. I'm getting it out now, I'm getting it out now. No, there's no getting it out now, I'm getting it out now.

That's like a pervert saying, Well, I just masturbated once. That should take care of problems.

We're all taken care of for all of time.

I just shot my load and I'm ready to be a real regular person for the rest of my lifetime. Because we all know, demon doesn't regenerate and urges don't return. I'm worried about you now. Well, for other reasons. Not about Harrison Ford. I just shouldn't be out in the world.

That was too real, and that's also my real speaking voice I use whenever we're off mic. I go, How did you guys think it went? Did you like it while masturbating?

Do you think Harrison had a good time? Are you going to be a usual self? Yeah, okay, look, all joking around.

You know that I travel in some pretty heady circles. I do, okay, so what, I'm going to flip out because Harrison Ford's here.

No, I don't think so. I'm going to be like, Hey Hf, you know which way is the wind? which way is the wind blowing? what's up, what's up?

What's up, what's up? You don't even do that normally. Now I'm worried when he comes in, we're all going to be trying to play it.

So cool that we're not even going to speak to him, we'll just talk to ourselves. I'm going to smoke the whole time. Yeah, I'm just going to have a cigarette.

Well, no, I'm going to masturbate the whole time. It's going to be one of those bubble gum vapes.

It's going to make a little bubbling sound.

And the whole room will smell like watermelon and bubble gum.

Let me tell you something, Harrison, I've been around.

I like that sound, you said. One of those watermelon vapes. I don't know what you're talking about. Well, you know that they make a bubbling sound. No, I think you're confusing a bubble pipe with a watermelon.

I know what sounds funny to me, so I altered, I essentially altered what an e-cigarette is, what a vape, what a vape pen is. To match what I think is funny, so I bend time and space to make things that aren't in and of themselves funny to create, yes, in my mind, a vape goes.

And there's a fruity smell in the room. It isn't just me. Harrison Ford is gone in five minutes. Guess what? Yeah, he is.

Guess what? Yeah, his publicist just heard some of this conversation and he's out, he's definitely out, that's probably best.

Yeah, close, yeah. She played him, two seconds of us talking about him. That's the right choice, I think, I think it is.

I think the right choice is for him to just not come and I think for the team, I should call in sick. I really think I shouldn't be here. He fled this podcast like a giant boulder was rolling after him. I see that, I understand.

See, now you're talking, what if you have to pee real bad or poop? I'm planning to wear a diaper. All right, all right, no. I'm saying, like, there have been times when we've interviewed people where I've had to go to the bathroom really bad and I'm like, sweating here.

And you guys are chatting, so I'm just saying, like, what happens if? Then that just becomes all you think about? But wait, that has nothing to do with Harrison Ford being a cool, great booking for us. That's just you needing to use the bathroom sometimes, so that's completely apropos of nothing.

I know I'm sorry, I just was. I was trying to figure out all the scenarios. Okay, maybe let's get on with the show, but hf, hf, if you change your mind, come swing on by Okay, see you at Chipotle.

Crack the cockpit, bye, grab a whole tomato, here we go.

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