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Welcome to pardon my take. Today is Wednesday, November 29th, and the Bears might be back Pft.

Did it now? I'm biased. I was watching the bears, but did it become? Was it so bad? It became fun at any point? It was fun because you.

He threw the pass when it counted, so Justin Fields has to be happy about that. But I saw I was addicted to just looking at Justin Fields passing charts after the game. And it was just green dots directly to the side, nothing across the middle whatsoever. They say that they're, you know, they have confidence in him as a quarterback, you should let him throw the ball to the middle of the field. Yes, once in a while.

Yes, and some.

They won, I think you're happy they won, I'm happy they won. Because the Bears might finally be done, like in the total tank off and start actually playing some decent football.

They're four and four in their last eight, their defense looks awesome. MonTeZ Sweat. For the people who laughed at that trade, I think it's just it was just general like knee jerk reaction.

Cause the Chase Claypool thing, uh, the defense is flying around, playing great, the offense has dudes, D.J. Moore is awesome, Cole Commit is good, I don't. We can talk about Justin Fields and what that means. But for the first time in a very long time. I am optimistic about the Chicago Bears and where they're headed because I think you can build off of what they've done defensively.

And Ryan polls brought in. Like Jermaine Edmonds and, uh, T.J. Edwards and all these guys that are playing well. And, you know, a really good draft pick with Darnell, right? I don't know what's going to happen with eber flus. I think he should still be fired. But I am for the first time in a long time, like, Hey, the bears actually have. We're no longer just like a million pieces away, we're a few pieces away from being a good football team.

Yeah, the defense is quarterback might be one of the defense is really, really.

Yes, they kind of unleashed it at the end, just just enough to make it count. Um, I agree, I agree that, uh, sweat is an impact maker on defense.

I told you he was better than Chase Young. No, you were not one of those people.

You don't know what the price is going to be. Ryan Pulls was aggressive, he got a he got a impact player that's going to be very good and signed him long-term. What I don't want to have happen.

I still, I still want Josh Dobbs around. I don't. I'm not going to forget what Josh Dobbs did for America this season. Taking just dog shit Cardinals games and making them entertaining for us. That time where he filled in for Kirk Cousins on like, two days or not? Kirk Cousins, um, backup backup, came in on like two days notice. Didn't know the receivers names. I. I am willing to overlook a bad game or two from Josh Dobbs and just trust the process with him and just know that. Yeah, he's probably not a long-term situational starter for anybody, but Josh Dobbs still has a place in this NFL and he's good enough to play, yeah.

H.e.

You think you know everything, you just play free football so you get so after you think you know everything, then you get bad and then you get good again. Once you do actually know everything. We need to find them good again. We need to just keep him playing football in the NFL.

Now you have the Packers and Rams breathing down their throat. Great loss for the for the Lions, though. Great loss for the Lions. Uh, Lions have to play the Bears next week after the bi-week. I was just the Eberfluss, his first divisional win.

It was it took 30 weeks, 30 regular season weeks for, uh, the Eberfluss polls combo to make good on their guarantee. Ryan Pulls, in his introductory press conference, said We're going to take the North and we're never going to give it back. This is the start, this is the start.

I know people will shit on me for being optimistic here, but I, I really do feel like the first time like I can see everything that Polls is doing. And the defense, building on the defense. And having, like, having a true number one wide receiver, having a true number one tight end, having a really good Darnell, right. Like it, it does still all come down to what they want to do with Justin Fields, and I could be, I guess I'm open to whatever the next coach, hopefully the next coach decides. Because I've talked myself into maybe doing Marvin Harrison and offensive lineman, and seeing if you could get Justin Fields to take another step forward. Or if the new coach comes in and says we need a quarterback, all right, draft your quarterback.

But they have, uh, again, it comes back to the fact that for the first time in a long time, the bears don't feel they're like three or four guys.

Decide on his option at the end of next year, decide on it, and then, um, yeah, see what you can get for him. And then I think the new coach is going to probably want to go in a different direction. I also was very happy for.

And then the defense bowed up and, uh, they were able to win the game. I at the very weird to think, like, is the first time in a year and a half where I'm like, Yeah, I'm actually happy. Because for for culture wise, I know the tanking helps the draft pick, but at some point you have to win so that you just can start to shed the loser culture. You know, it'd be great, though.

Yeah, so you got to hit this guy on this route and then that's going to give him a better chance to return for six. And see how, how well you can execute on your intentionally bad plays, that's next level shit. I don't think the N.FL is ready for it yet. If at the very end of the game was your butthole just like a little bit tight? When they start kick, when they start throwing the ball back and forth, back and forth.

Oh yeah, until they threw the flag for illegal forward pass. I just I was thinking, like, kind of, like, when we watched the Jets on Black Friday, this could happen to the Bears. Yeah, it's going to happen to a team.

It could happen to the bears. I usually, I don't get nervous.

They got to about midfield. But yeah, I'm, I know people are going to be like, what the fuck? Why are you being optimistic? I'm I'm optimistic about the Bears for the first time in a long time.

I can see that the pieces are starting to come into place and Ryan Pulls doing a good job. He's brought in some good free agents, trades, all that stuff. They also look like they're happy.

I really want him to just be demoted to D.C. I don't think he is a really good defensive coordinator. He's doing stuff that Alan Williams never dreamt of doing like he is. He's coaching this defense to be there significantly better. Uh, the last whatever month and a half, but yeah, that's my only, that's my only concern. It's really comes down to this.

The Bears have all the options in front of them, I can see all the pieces. I'm very optimistic. Now. It's you have to execute and make the right decisions, which we all know that could.

It was a really bad game the Bear should have won by, like, 21. You have a right to be optimistic about the future. But for most of America watching that, it was bad. It was so bad that Troy just started laughing in the fourth quarter.

Great, good for the bears. I'm happy for the bears. I'm happy that I think you guys are actually ahead of us. I'm I miscalculated that because the first tiebreaker is not head to head.

No, it's a tiebreaker play. Strength of schedule, yes, so you guys are ahead of us by just a little bit. Who do you have on Sunday?

Uh, we're by week, by week. Okay, yeah, we're. We have the dolphins, so we're going to.

However, look at us if.

I used, uh, our good friend.

We're four and eight, why not playoffs this year? four and four in the last eight. You're in the hunt, yeah.

I don't think playoffs this year, I don't think that's going to happen. You're in the hunt, I'm just trying to talk you into it. Also, I, I. I told my son that we won the game and he was actually very excited.

So taking maybe not. And then he got me back by asking him to listen to Taylor Swift on the car ride to school. He's got good taste, I think he's, I think he's doing.

All right, uh, good news for the Vikings. Justin Jefferson is back, right? It didn't he get, Did I get? I got a shifter notification about him.

Oh, I might've missed that one. This was his last week to be on the IR.

He's, he's activated, okay, and then also, uh, Aaron Rogers said that anyone who says that he made up his injury can go fuck themselves. Okay, yeah.

I do that several times a day. So any other N.FL stuff before we talk about college ball, yeah, Bryce Young got.

Sounds like he's he's trying to get out in front of the story. That Frank Reich is probably going to say, Uh, which is I want? He's going to say, I want C.J. Stroud, that's. That's a classic former coach move. But, um, Tepper made sure to say several times, it was unanimous, we all agreed on this. Do you remember that? I think it was in, um, I think it was an Independence day when they decide to nuke the United States. Because all the aliens where the president was like, I need everybody to be unanimous about this because this is what I want to do.

And I don't want somebody to go into the press later. I think that's what Tepper was saying during the draft process. Like, we have to be all in on Bryce Young, so you tell me that you're all in right now? Frank Yeah.

Frank was like, Sir, Yes, sir, I'm all in the UM, so we, we should say.

Uh, but yeah, he is off the hot seat because he said. He reported that Frank Wright's seat was on fire. And we said that if he doesn't get fired on Monday, then Kunkel's on the hot seat. Yeah, Kunkel, you're, you're on the cool throne, cool throne, for sure.

Yeah, but David Tepper is, I mean, he, he's so quickly become the worst owner.

I don't know, I mean, the bears owner. Yeah, although they're like, but they're not, they're a cartoon supervillain.

There's a problem, there's a lot of owners that, yeah, like, you're like, Hey, could you do maybe a more higher? The right people? He's like, I'm going to just fix all these problems by micromanaging and firing people. I'm going to run the team myself.

He's getting money from, uh, Mr. Ersay, as well as Mr. Tepper right now. I heard a little rumor, Max, maybe you can address this.

Frank REIch Who do you used to be the, uh, offensive coordinator for Eagles? Yeah, what about him going? is he coming home? I would, well, another set of eyes, right?

Who could forget? Yeah, so he, uh, he is their interim. I'm gonna have to decide if he can get a little dead dead coach bounce for them. I, I kind of.

I actually, I was lucky enough to have dinner with him in Cabo on Valentine's Day this year. I don't know if I told you guys that, what? Yeah, he, well, he was sitting at the table directly next to mine at the resort.

His How do I say this diplomatically? Um, his wife really likes Pinot Grigio a lot, a whole lot. Who doesn't, yeah.

A lot, damn vacationing with billionaires. She had a great time, yeah.

Uh, yeah, he, I'm not on any flight. What happened after? Oh, you know, we all went back to.

He's like, I'm just going to do the same thing I've done all my life, cause that's why I'm rich. It's like, Well, the N.FL.

Exactly.

Yeah, I think it moved to three earlier, so I think it jumped up to three. I. I still think that the 49ers might win this game. But this is actually giving Sirianni all the ammunition that he could ever need. He's perpetually looking for a way to call himself an underdog, as most coaches are, but this is like, this is gold for him.

Yeah, he's going to be blasting rocky.

I bet them at minus one on Sunday night. You, you, you're. You just keep making up lines. you just keep making up lines. I'll show you my bet you want to see my bet slip here.

Minus one When was it at minus one? Hey, come here, come here, yeah.

I know you believe it, but come look and confirm. So that Max, yet again, yet again loser Max and his loser excuses can fucking shut up. Look at that, right, there is that not minus one, that's minus one.

All right, fine, you just, you're just a bird's hater now, you know what it is, you're upset that you didn't, that you didn't place your future earlier. Because you had this whole plan that the Eagles are going to lose all these games, my plan is still going to work.

My plan is still going to work. We're going to lose all these games during this gauntlet. And then you were going to hop on and it's not going to play. It's still going to work, it's still going to work.

Right, that's what it is. Of course, it is. No duh, no duh.

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We do talk with Herbie about a lot of it, uh, one thing we didn't talk to him about, though. I I actually think this might be the worst loss for a fan base ever in Ohio state. Okay, so hear me out.

They had an opportunity on Saturday to essentially erase three years of Michigan football and go like back to when Ohio State. I think they. I think there was a stretch from 2003 or whatever to 2021 where they had won every single time, except for like two. If they had won on Saturday, they could have all gone around and said, The only reason you beat us was cause you cheated, and the minute you couldn't cheat anymore. All the all. The normalcy has been restored in the world and we're better than you, and it's just a blip on the radar, you cheaters.

Now Michigan would their backup, you know, with their interim head coach Sharon Moore, who called a great game. Gets to be like, you guys, you guys cried, you bitched, you moaned. You started investigations and we still just ran.

And you had a built-in one saying like, Okay, it was all. It was all done, like cloak and dagger shit behind the scenes. You can't beat us man on man. SharON MoORE I think here's a here's a take, Sharon Moore by being like a a step head coach that only visits on weekends. He was actually in a better position than Ryan Day was because more he can, like, let his freak flag fly and doesn't really have to worry about. Okay, well, I've got, I have to be a Michigan head coach that beats Ohio State.

He's just there, like, kind of keeping the seat warm for Jim when he comes back. Although he might be the guy in next year. He could go for it, he could go for it when he wanted to. He made some really aggressive calls. And Ohio State, Ryan Day, I don't think Ohio State played a bad game at all.

I thought Ohio State played a pretty good game, it was just a good game of football and the funniest part of the game. I don't know if you caught this. I'm a bit of a fly boy, so I saw during the the fly over before the game, you see the plane that they flew over.

It looked like it was a Delta Airlines flight. It was not your standard B2, F 22, F 18, F 16. I can keep going, but it was a. It was a Poseidon, and a Poseidon is a spy airplane. It's a dedicated spy espionage surveillance airplane that they flew over the stadium. That has to be the most expensive troll of all time.

Yes, right, Michigan can do it, and they can do it. Even Ross probably just wrote the check and it worked. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh was in there.

Yeah, I put them in some fatigue, strap a parachute on them.

That was a skins game in football, they basically could have won three games in one. Yeah, and now actively, yeah. And Ryan Day?

Uh, I agree with you. Ohio State wasn't, It wasn't like the last two years where Michigan was like. We're just more physical than you, were tougher than you, we kicked the shit out of you. This was a very even game. It just came down to Ryan Day being a little too conservative. In a couple moments. That cut like the end of half when he was like, Hey, let's have our kicker.

Who's never kicked this far in a rivalry game? In cold weather? Try the longest kick ever. Instead of trying to get a few more yards. Did he make the first one, though?

He did I think which I think.

Uh, yeah, it was. It was weird at the end of the half. I I. If I were the kicker, I would definitely take that shot. uh, but it worked. I assume the kicker works.

People forget that, like, there's studies out there that have shown that. On long field goals, I assume the kicker is actually like, you can prove that it's 5 10 better, depending on the kicker, obviously. But um, I want to stand up real quick. For the big house on a. The big House gets slandered sometimes because of the way it's designed, yeah.

It's, it's, it's great for this game, it gets loud for this game. It was so fucking good I was expecting. Like, I've. I've watched many games played at Michigan before, and, um, I've never thought to myself. It's actually not that loud on the field, it always seems loud on the field to me.

I just think that it could be even louder, there's no like disrespect to it, it's very, very loud, but you could do a whole lot.

Cause you walk in like basically halfway up, so it's like sunken, so you walk when you walk in, you're walking in on the on the street level. You're, you're like 70 rows up or whatever it is. So it's very cool, but yeah, the the way it's set up is the sound kind of escapes. But that game, yeah, it was so loud and going on the field after it was a great college football. Saturday. We had the iron Bowl, which was just insane, which we talked to Herbie about.

Uh, the one thing we didn't talk about, the Apple Cup was awesome. And Kalen DeBoer, that fourth down call, where he did the trick play on his own, like 20. The balls on that, like through your entire season, is on the line right there. And he's like, Yeah, this is when I got this play, which was like it was like a fake handoff, uh, pitch outside that went for like 40 yards. It was that was a great game. And and in Washington, they are kind of like TCU last year.

They just.

It's bad, it's almost like SEC level on that game day. They're like at each other's throats. Um, so I am glad when they extended five years, I think so.

Yeah, so that at least they got something right. Yeah, with the with all the realignment, like, yeah, keep some of these traditions. Also, we had our first arch manning sighting in Texas.

They beat the fuck out of Texas tech. Yes, they. It was a whomping. I forget how many they won by, I think they were up by 50 at the time.

57, 57, 57, one by 50. Arch Manning gets in, I think at the end of the third quarters when they put them in the game. And I have a take about Arch Manning, Are you ready for this? because you have to have a take about Arch Manning?

I think I figured out what mine's going to be early. Um, I think Arch Manning might be too good of a quarterback. I don't think that there are receivers out there that are good enough to play with Arch Manning. He had two touchdown passes, I think it was on his first drive.

Um, there were just fucking laser beams right on their hands, bounced off their hands. It reminds you, good of a ball. Yeah, too good of a ball, I don't think.

Maybe maybe Josh McDaniel's offensive genius, who's just too advanced for the modern day NFL. Yeah, maybe he could figure out a way to get arch manning quarterback the future. But you remember when we were watching March, Madness and Marquise Noel? He's throwing those passes between his legs behind the surprising his guys, surprising his guys. The ball was going out of bounds.

I think I think Arch is up to those kinds of tricks, I think he's too good at playing.

Arch Manning Let's get them in the game. Yeah, um, all right. So we have a lot more college football talk.

Don't be upset that we're not doing everything, cause we're going to get through all the playoff and everything. With Kirk Herb Street. Uh, it's been. That was a great Saturday, that was just a great college football Saturday, where it's just all these rivalry games. Chaos everywhere, and we still haven't had the big chaos, which maybe happens as Championship Saturday.

Like, it just hasn't. It feels like we're always right there and we haven't had the oh man, like now everything's flipped up. I'm rooting for chaos. Yeah, I love it. I'm rooting for them to have to admit that games don't matter, which is what they're going to admit.

I think games matter, but I think they're going to. I want them to have to, just like put in Alabama over Texas and then the whole farce of it be like, games don't matter. No one should schedule anyone. Yeah, so we talked to Herbie.

Cardell Jones Then they'll get in, but if you're a Seminole fan like I, I'm sorry.

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It's holiday cheer, all right, hank, my hot seat is sports illustrated. Oh, yeah, I had that.

Tragic.

They got called out for it, deleted all the articles and then released a statement on X, closing all the comments. So they basically were like, we hired a third party website, we didn't know what they were doing. We have a process, we were in the middle of checking this out when this came to light.

And so we've taken them down, trying to take no blame for it. But it was clear that they just tried to outsource everything to AI. This makes me question everything now, yeah.

Uh, I, you know what their business model was for the last, like three years. It was basically like, look at this funny tweet. So they would just like, find a funny tweet from like a player. And then the headline would be like, you won't believe what Shaq just tweeted, and then it would just be a screenshot of the tweet. And I'm pretty sure all.

She's awful. That was actually my first moment where I was like, everyone who's getting upset about AI? No, no, no, they said. AI sucks. nothing to worry about AI.

I think Ai might've. it would be funny if AI is only body that had ever caught with sports illustrated. Yeah, like we if you told yourself, if you told a like, 13 year old, pft and big cat. When you're sitting on the shitter reading Rick Riley back page, you're future's going to be scary. Sports illustrated is going to be run by robots, like, that's it.

Do you think there's no AI? No, there's no AI, that's, that's stupid enough. The same discussions that we have, how would they get it? how would they?

Matrix and Terminator all one movie. Okay, we're getting very close to the like the AI is here. Everyone thinks it's bad, but the second that it fixed itself and gets good.

Are they like having the first ones? But like, there's, there's a. It's a big fucking world out there. I feel like this is one of those debates that happens on Twitter. And we have to take a like, a step back and be like, whoa, we're way too online, like, who cares?

Only comparable thing I can think of is when Coach K brought 80 plus former players to Cameron for his last game and lost to Carolina. And then apologized to the crowd and said they would finish the season strong and then they lost again in the final four. Yeah, I like that, that is really the only thing comparable, I liked it.

I think I might change his hurt or injured board to just how like shows since Big Cats shoehorned Coach K into it, he said. Jay Caspian King I saw a tweet that was very funny that I retweeted. I basically said that that was PFT's fault, yeah.

Okay, um, my other hot seat, not AI. I think I got a computer virus, so if you get any emails or anything, whoa, what happened? I was? You can't just be like, Oh, blah, blah, blah.

I got a computer virus pft. What's your hot seat? how'd you get it? Hank? I was downloading a, I was making a uh, editing a video, and I was downloading a song from YouTube YouTube to Mp3 classic.

Yup, uh. And I got hit with the fake download button. oh, it opened up, and then I wasn't paying attention to it. I got an allow or decline screen for like, I thought it was to get the download, so I clicked Allow. But it was for push notifications from this hack website.

And then I just got a million push, Oh, no clouds hack this is hack hank, you're, you're officially a boomer now.

Oh no, I did this exact same thing last week that I just kept getting all the push notifications. But I just like, went into my settings and turned it off and I haven't noticed. I probably didn't do anything. The. There is nothing scarier than that moment when you do the one click too many, and then you basically tell yourself that if you can, just x out fast enough.

I did two clicks too many pizza, I should be fine. Uh, we'll see, though. So just something to keep in mind, we have to keep an eye on you now.

I was trying to make a highlight.

Uh, the from surviving Barstow. When I went five or six, when you're shooting, uh, I made it. It's out there, uh, great.

Who? who's out of that, the most of this company, who's got what, who's gotten fished, scammed?

Jerry No. Who? Erica? Oh, yeah.

Erica does get scammed left and right, so we get texts from fake Erica's all the time. C-suite life, yeah, but this also means you might be getting old.

Like, we're the, we're the young whippersnappers that are gotta come in and look at your computer and be like, let's fix this real quick for you. I don't think I've ever gotten hacked. There's beans, there's beans in the computer. It's been, it's, you know, I'm just I'm just preemptively saying it, just in case.

He said he thinks, I'm fine. You ever see that video? Which one? The guy puts a, he just puts, he has a desktop and he just puts like five cans of beans in his desktop. And then he hires a geek squad guy to come check it out and the guy opens it up.

He's like, there's beans in here, He's like, What do you mean, there's beans in the computer?

That's the sun, the fucking sun. Aaron Rodgers Uh, oh yeah, like, like the tweet about sunscreen.

We have a different view now. Let's go. Yes, that parent sucks on that butthole. Just get to get the tank.

You just say that also like a Ruth Conda, Yeah, that's not a real conversation. No way no one talks to their kids like that.

Why would a four-year-old stop? I mean, you know better, why do other people use sunscreen? No, my son has probably asked that, like, I don't want to put on sunscreen.

I'm like, Well, you got it.

So I'm just going to say, hot seat the PGA Tour. Oh, because Tiger Woods says that he's going to come back and play one event per month next year. Love it, The Tiger's back in the news.

I hope he does, I hope he does. What's that, Hank? Wouldn't the PGA like that be the best? No, because Tiger's.

But the tour will be thrilled. The hot seat's the other player.

The PGA Tour roster is on the hot seat.

My cool throne is Darren Revelle. Oh, because Darren Revelle left the action Network, so now that he's gone, left or fired, I don't know.

Inviguous. Now that he's gone, now, he can do fun stuff like, Come on, part of my take, which is great. He's going back to sports business full-time. Oh no, so he's going to be at another competitor. Damn it.

Damn it, so we can't have him on the show. Fuck, I don't know where he's going. I was hoping that Darren would be able to come on the show now that he no longer worked at the Action Network well.

Okay, so where's?

That's true. Well, for Darren, it is he will be working at. It's like Narnia.

Most likely, he just walks in and he just looks through. And there's waterfalls and there's prices on people wearing ray-bans. And how much did they?

I appreciate that we're just saying that Revelle will not be able to come on, part of my take, but that's all right.

That'd be great. I like him now, he gave me this job, kind of his existence.

Darren Revelle can come on this show if he honestly answers all questions about Northwestern.

You want over three, over three, three plus.

He had a little bit of self-awareness when he did tweet. Yeah, so he gets points for that, but yeah, Revelle. If you want to answer all questions about Patrick Fitzgerald and over three pieces of memorabilia to PFT. And you guys have to pledge that you're not going to prank him like last time.

Oh yeah, PfT totally pranked him by doing the shake my hand and then no, when you got you guys called him up, right?

No, he did download too slow, and Darren's like, I don't like that. No, I'm saying, when he called in and you hung up on him. Esports.

We used to call him a lot, Oh yeah, yeah, esports minute, Yeah, that's right. You're like, Darren, what's up?

And he started talking, you're like, Sorry, loser, and you hung up on him right away. The entire interview is going to be a prank, should we call him right now?

Yeah, let's give him a call, let's ask him where his next place is, and I'm just going to hang up on him.

Hello, hey Darren, it's big cat. From, Pardon my take, we were wondering if you had any comment about your next move in sports business. Is this being taped? This is being taped?

Um.

I hung up, that was mean.

That was so mean.

I don't know, I think it was mean.

Or keeping him on the line and making fun of him. I don't know, I don't know.

But Corey Perry has been released and there's some rumors going around the internet. Who knows what happened? But I'll just say this, the Blackhawks should do a better job of making sure they protect Conor Bedard at all costs. And he's your franchise player. Maybe just do a press conference and explain what happened.

They've got a lot of ammo.

That's my official statement, put it out, okay?

Here's my official statement. Corey Perry did something bad, it had nothing to do with anything else. Protect Conor Bedard at all costs, but that is not related to the Corey Perry thing.

Doesn't vape? yeah, for the last three days. okay, doesn't smoke weed.

Doesn't get vaxxed, doesn't watch porn, lifts weights weekly. Yeah, prioritizes sleep.

No, yes, eats lots of steak and eggs. Yeah, yeah.

Doesn't drink tap water? I don't, I drink body armor doesn't.

Use air pods? I don't, I don't, either. Would choose a podcast over music, yeah.

Yeah, that's odd. Every day. Hank you work at a podcast, hank, you work at a podcast factory.

That's what we do. We come in here and we turn on the engines and we make podcasts, right? But then I'm not going to listen to competitors, I don't want to give them downloads.

No, we listen to our own show. We self-scout. we should do a bi-week next year. Yeah, we're self-scout.

Of course, Hank says, Yeah, yeah, of course, Hank says, Yeah. We did a bi-week and we self-scouted and did all we had new plays and everything. Cooks with butter, G Tallow and Evo.

Yeah, of course everybody does, doesn't eat and drink out of plastic.

Nope, not anymore. Utilizes cold plunging in the sauna, gets daily sunlight and grounding. Knows birth control is poison.

Uses natural remedies when sick, has some type of daily spiritual practice, isn't stuck in a soul-sucking nine-to-five, has hobbies and passions in his life. I'm betting like 40 on those.

Yeah, that's pretty good, yeah, so that's, that's the ideal man.

Mac Jones is a grounding king.

That was he was trying to throw to somebody.

Fine, we're tanking, so he's great.

Okay, fine, just don't know that you can't make jokes like that when you're using a reference. Yeah, no, no.

It was a joke, topical, it was topical, it was topical. They did play Monday night football, okay?

Jake, your hot seat, cool throat. Yeah, it's funny, guys, we're just talking about this because my hot seat is Bill Belichick. Oh uh, Rex Ryan.

On Get Up on ESPN, he went off, I don't know on Belichick. Oh wait, no, this is new, this is new.

This is new. Yeah, we thought it was the Alex Smith thing. No, no, no, okay.

All right, this is from yesterday. Yep, uh, he said, Can I just say this Bill Belichick, please stop, just name your dang starter.

It doesn't matter, they both stink like, we care about your team, your team stinks. Oh, fighting words for a guy actually actually accurate.

Yeah, and this is a green. He wasn't there. He has Covid, hope he gets well soon.

Oh no, so uh yeah, people still greeny, yeah, green.

We're still getting Covid. I can see Thomas smokes, yeah, I can see Jake. Do they go and test on some cocoa?

Yes, I don't know, that's news to me, but yeah, do you think there's someone who's like, living in in, like New York City right now that has?

Yes, the pop tarts this.

Yeah, he just fucking just put a little salt on them, he actually already has a bunch of salt after this.

He was mean to me, I like Bloopy, I just think that he would be very. I do not like, I just want to eat them, no?

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Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. It is Kirk Herbstreet. We're going to talk some college football, you obviously see him every Saturday morning, college game day.

You see him calling the biggest game every Saturday night, you also see him on Thursday night football calling NFL, so maybe we'll mix in a little NFL here. But Herbie, let's start big picture. This is maybe the most exciting Championship weekend we've had because we have four teams that are undefeated. I don't think that's ever happened this late in the season.

Um, let's let's just dive right into the college football playoff and what you see in terms of the past, every team has. Uh, if everyone holds serve, let's say the favorites win. So Oregon beats Washington. I'd say the committee probably has it easy that they can just put in all four or three undefeated in Oregon, correct?

Um Florida state.

So they're in because they're in a power five. I just, I don't do that. Um, I, I'm really big on the best four teams now. It's subjective, like, what, who you guys think, who I think who?

Other people think I don't have a dog and fight here. If Oregon wins and they're a one loss team and they beat Washington on Friday night, I can't not put Oregon in. I think they're one of the best teams, I think they have been all year.

Um, if Georgia wins, if Michigan wins, if Florida State wins, if Oregon wins, if Texas wins, we got it. We got a serious dilemma. Um, I'm, you know, that committee. No matter what they do is wrong, no matter who they put in, they're going to be wrong. But I just don't. I'm not a big fan. If you think Florida State's one of the best teams with, then that's no problem, but I'm just not big on. They're undefeated.

So we have to put them in. Um, if you think they're still one of the best four, then let's put them in. I was not.

Uh, but we're we're talking about college football here, and we're talking about some pretty large media conglomerates that are thinking about ratings as well. And if you think that they're going to do the right thing. Over putting in a bigger brand name with a more, I guess, well, Florida State would be a big brand name. But. But minus their starting quarterback, that's a big deal. For ratings, it seems to me, like the more I think about it, the more they would go towards Texas. Just simply for the ratings factor, I'm putting on my my college football playoff rigged hat and saying, they want, they do want ratings.

They're trying to make money, I so I think.

I can promise you, if you look at the ratings, that doesn't hold up. Um, if we were doing it, if ESPN was involved on ratings, it would be Georgia and Michigan. Forget, you know, if Alabama loses, it's fine, put them in Ohio State.

Yeah, Ohio State, that's what they would do. This is more of the committee isolated wherever they are in Texas. Trying to figure out. Listen, the ratings are okay, they're not.

NFL ratings, they're good, but there's really not much of a bump when you put in these big brands versus not. It's re, it's really not even. That's more of a conspiracy theory on Twitter than it is reality. I promise you, it's not a reality thing at all.

ESPN is not on the phone, saying we really need Georgia. Like, it's just it's not, it's not real, so you guys can think that, but I can promise you, it's not what's real is. And calling all these games.

Now last year we had Ohio State, Georgia, we had TCU Michigan. Those games were great. They came down to the wire. You know what the I said this to Pat the other day, you know what? The average margin of victory has been since 2014, when this thing started, the playoffs have stopped.

The average margin of victory has been 19.

So as a guy who calls these games, I don't want to do the right thing. If you talk to Bill Hancock, and we had lots of meetings about this, they're not supposed to do the right thing, they're supposed to. Their job is put the best four teams in the playoff. Now again, it's subjective.

Who you think and I think of the best four are different, and that's fine, but that's what that group is supposed to do, not. What do we think about ratings? That's bullshit.

Put the fucking best four teams in the game.

I want to see the best four teams, but can we at least agree that the Games should matter? And that's really what it comes down to for the state for state being an undefeated team. And then the Texas Alabama problem that people are throwing out there, that, I listen, a lot of this stuff is probably going to get figured out. Like we, we spent a lot of time hand-wringing all this stuff. And then we'll probably wake up on Sunday morning. And Georgia would have won, and Michigan won, and maybe Florida State wins, maybe Oregon or Washington, maybe it's all four undefeated teams.

It's not even an issue, but I really do believe that the games have to matter. So if it's a Texas Alabama issue, the game head to head has to matter. And that has to be like. Otherwise, what's the point of?

Holy Cow. And we're almost just assuming Georgia is going to win. That's still Nick Saban with a quarterback and Jalen Milrow who can make plays with his feet. I mean, you never know, right?

And it's still Alabama defense, I mean. And this is not Georgia over the last two years, where they have like three or four or five first rounders all over the field. They're a great team, but it's not so so that game could be competitive, absolutely.

And if Alabama were to win, I don't even I can't even imagine where we are. Because just let's just say that if Alabama wins and Michigan wins, and Oregon or Washington wins, and Florida State wins, and Texas wins. And all those things are not like pie in the sky like that, those things are probably pretty practical. Everything else. I just said, Yeah.

What the hell do you do? Let's just sit and work it out. Michigan is a lock. Yep, right?

Pac 12 is a lock, Pac 12 should be sitting there with one loss. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, you're right.

You're right.

I would think, I mean, you could make the argument.

Like, and unfortunately, that would. I think Oregon's one of the top four, best four teams, but I think that that would probably be what they would do. I just can't have them in no sec final four, you know, what's really, really sad here is?

How can you not say George is one of the best four teams?

If Alabama wins, the committee might just have to.

The game was phenomenal on Saturday, Michigan, Ohio State. Tell us how you're feeling about Ryan Day and what you think Buckeye fans are are thinking going forward because Ryan Day has a phenomenal coach. I think he's, I think it's something like 39 and O against big 10 teams not named Michigan. I think he's 40 and three overall in the Big 10. Does Ryan Day have a Michigan problem?

Because it felt like going into this game, they they, they built their team back up. To be as tough as Michigan the last two years, Michigan was tougher this year. Ohio State had some nastiness to them, they had some to them. But Ryan Day had one or two chances in that game where he got a little conservative and he didn't coach.

He didn't have the wrinkles that you need to win that type of game and was saying, like, we'll just go out there and we'll play our game and hope we win. Do you think he has a problem going forward with Michigan and the fan base? I think there, I think, there's two.

So I think there's the both of those things can be true. This game is cyclical, that the pressure that they weigh teams get in the other team's head. Ohio State lived in Michigan's head for a number of years, with Trestle and Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh to his credit. At one point they were ready to fire him, and now that he's completely turned this thing around.

And I think now there is there. I would say this, like, if I were Ryan Day and I were looking at, Okay, we put everything into this, we got to get tougher. I've, I've always felt that when Ohio State is tougher. That they're the recruiting that they have done from the end of the Urban Meyer era to now. They recruit nationally. They go to Florida, they go to Georgia, they go to North Carolina, they go to Texas, they go to California.

If you look at the Ohio state roster, they're not a ton of Ohio guys and I. I. I would suggest maybe looking at that aspect of the roster and finding more Ohio guys that qualify to be on the Ohio state roster. To make them appreciate what this game really means. Because you can put slogans up, you can do a fourth quarter drill, this is the Michigan drill, you can do all the things.

You can have a clock up in the Woody Hayes facility, do all those things. But the reality is, when we watched the game, it feels like the Michigan team plays as a group. Where they play like with a chip on their shoulder and they're mad at the world and they play with, like, like, something to prove. And in the last three years, that has been more than what Ohio State has brought to the table in that game.

And right now, that United Front is more powerful than than what Ohio State has, so and we. Even with that being said, they had the ball late, they had a chance, they moved the ball into Michigan territory, and you got to give Michigan all the credit in the world. They made the plays that they.

Maybe naturally, that'll happen and they'll be like, Yeah, I hate those guys. Or you could just like, stage a fake kidnapping of Brutus and be like, Michigan did it. Let's go get these sons of bitches back.

That's what I would do as head coach personally in the. I think it was the first quarter of the game, the touchdown, great throw, tremendous throw between two Ohio State Buckeye defenders. Was it a touchdown? Because I feel like this is going to be a play that we're going to, we're going to argue about for the next 20 years. Which I love, I love that about college football fan bases. But in your opinion, touchdown or turnover?

Tough one there, if.

So, with that being said, it's hard. It's very easy to sit there and just say, Well, you're an Ohio State guy. I really, honestly, I don't care. I mean, if it's a touchdown, it's a touchdown, if it's not, it's not.

But I just think, yeah, it was a critical moment in the game. But they reviewed it. I can't remember, did they say confirmed or did they say stands?

Whoever it ended up in whoever's arms, I think the Ohio State player took it away from him. You could easily have said it could have been a turnover there that Ohio State would have had.

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That's pound 529 from your cell phone. that's ForthePeople..com PMT or Poundlaw pound 529 from your cell. This is a paid advertisement. I know that you're a Heisman voter and so big cat. And I are undecided about who we're going to be voting for for our hypothetical Heisman vote. So we'll just go off whoever you think should win the Heisman Trophy this year?

So whatever you say, we're going to blindly follow that. Who do you have winning the Heisman Trophy? Well, I have. Jaden Daniels. Oh, okay, yeah, you're right.

That's weird. I took a future on him a couple weeks ago, me too. It was highly leveraged. What'd you get?

I'm going to watch Bo Nix against Washington and Penix that game, if Bo Nix goes off, you know, you could maybe be in jeopardy there. And the other thing that's in wild card is some of these older voters, you got voters. There's over a thousand guys that vote on this thing, some people have already voted right.

And the fact that LSU has three losses. There are people that are like, I will not vote for a person that has, they're just. It's like an old school way of voting, but there are people that won't vote for a guy that had three losses. How often do you go back and look at the Heisman? It almost always is a quarterback or a superstar of a team that's in the top three or four of the country. It's just like, who's the MVP of that team?

Bo Nix, there you go. Like, it's normally that, but in my opinion, it should go to the most dynamic playmaker and that that player has been Jane Daniels.

Up to this point, Bo Nix has a chance Friday in the Pac-12 Championship and we'll, we'll see what he does.

Listen, when you watch all the games, I know that LSU is not going to be in the college football playoffs, they're not in the SEC Championship. They their defense gave up 55 points to Ole Miss. Like that, that can't be held against Jaden Daniels, he has been so phenomenal.

And I, I do like to do the game of like if you. If you flopped players, like if Bo Nix was on LSU, how many wins would they? Would they have three, four losses? If Jaden Daniels is on Oregon, I don't know, I just think Jaden Daniels has shouldn't get dinged for his defense being historically bad.

Because the guys he's, he's like one of the best running backs in the country and he's playing quarterback. I mean, he's averaging almost eight yards of carry and he does stuff that's, and he's not just a runner. I mean, he's had a big year throwing the football. He's going to be a great NFL player. With the way the N.FL game is trending to more of almost like a dual threat ability.

Jaden Daniels is made for this new N.FL cause he can, he can really throw the football well, so I think he's. He's a dynamic guy, he's had Heisman moments all year. We'll see.

I think it'll be a fascinating race, though, between those two.

They tried to go back and then he threw it and I'm like, what is what's happening?

There's just they're just not going to win this game. So that that, to me, that's what made the moment just like, what the hell just happened? What is it about the iron bowl that gives us these moments? You know that that's what I think blew everybody away.

Was, you know, two? I had the, you know, the the National Championship throw. But plays leading up to that, it was like, Oh boy, they're going to lose. And then he hits Devante Smith and you're like, Oh my gosh, one of those great moments for Alabama. Yeah, I would have probably lost it the way Fowler and I did when we were watching.

I mean, I was, I would, we were literally. We're 30 seconds from going on air and I we have a A like a quad box. So while you're calling games, I'm watching games as I'm calling a game. So you know, we. There's other games going on, I want to see what's going on in those games, you know, when we go to a break.

So we have our quad box still with the earlier games at three 30 games. So I'm I'm like hitting Fowler, showing him like the replay of Miller, going across the line and bringing it back. And he's like, and the producer's like, guys, we got to, we got to get ready and he's like, all right, watch the last play and then there's a time out.

I'm like, he's like, he's like, Herbie, we're like, a minute away. I got to do, we got to watch this play, so we're watching it, and then the play happened. And I was, I mean, we just like you guys, I don't know where you were.

You probably lost your mind. I mean, it was the.

You just, you feel so bad for that guy. Because in that, in that rivalry, as much as Milrow and Alabama will forever be remembered. That poor guy, I don't know if he's going to go into the portal, I don't know what he's, but their fans are relentless. And he just he. It's like he couldn't, he didn't find the ball, he never saw the football thrown, and then he loses the receiver.

And by the time he reacted, the guy, of course, Bond, goes up and makes that play, but.

Yeah, one of the worst game-winning drives ever.

You should be allowed to to take it as far as you can get it before you get tackled. Credit to Milrow, he also. He looked off the defense too, so he was like his. His head was pointed at the center of the field. He went to the right a little bit.

He was here and then I.

You're probably actually, you're probably right that way, you double everybody. Yeah, the QB spy, it's like, What is the QB spy doing there? That person might as well not be on the field at all.

Right, you're right, cause he's not going to take.

Bring five, yeah, bring five, make him, force him to get the ball out fast, bring five or six.

And I know it's risky because maybe you're leaving some man coverage out there. Then people say, What the hell are you doing? Blitzing? So you know, if you give one up, you're always going to be wrong, you know?

The dog is right next to him. Ben is the star of the show. Ben's the most famous dog in the world right now. he's super famous.

He's the best, he's such a good dog that he even went up to Max, who hates dogs and is terrified of dogs. Hey Ben, how's it going? Good boy? Look at him.

He's just.

And.

Um, he takes care of business, post breakfast, so then we're good till right right around noon, noon, one ish, feed him again around two. And then when we've been on the road, I've always gone outside the stadium, usually around like five, 30. Okay, take care, take care of the second round.

And then he's good until.

We know.

Cause I didn't want him to get do what you're describing. So I said, Hey, man, can I get a bag? I said, if he drops a deuce here on the swamp, it's going to be everywhere. I got to pick it up. I don't want cause.

I was terrified that he was going to do that right on the 40 yard line, right by the Gator midfield. I thought he might do it, but we got out of there unscathed and he took care of it. At the FBO after the game, you just almost have to be waiting to catch that.

We talked about Ben's schedule, he said. There's been some times where he's been outside with Ben before the games. For about 30 minutes, just walking him back and forth across the same strip of grass, like, Hey man, please just take a piss so I can just get you on this field right now. Yeah, and since we've been on the road way.

And then Ryan takes him back in and into the production room and just kind of hangs out and I take him. It's been great to take him on the field pregame, I'll take him out there. And players are kicking. You know, it's when the specialists are out there, the teams are just coming out, the players come over full uniform, they're petting them. And then he'll go back to the bus during the beginning of the game. And then he'll come into the booth, usually around halftime, and just hangs out in the booth right around our feet.

You know, Fowler has been cool about it and then and then we head out right after the game. But yeah, he's been awesome, he's great at the hotels, he's spoiled, right?

Really, yeah, he's the goodest boy he really is, he's.

Like all these games matter, so Oregon State? If they could have caught a win against Washington or Oregon down the stretch, they could have been in. Like, Do you, you? You agree that the college football playoff, the 12 team playoff, is going to make the regular season even more fun? And yeah, there'll be some weird wrinkles, like Michigan, Ohio State would be weird. But they're still playing for a one seed and a, you know, a home playoff game in a bye. But you're, I would assume that you're, you're all in on the 12 team playoff, right, yeah?

I like getting more teams in, I think.

So imagine Ohio State, Michigan, this Saturday playing in the Big 10 Championship. I think that wrinkle to me is is going to be odd and going to take some time to get used to. Michigan deserves credit, they just beat Ohio State, they shouldn't have to a week later now go have to play them again, you know, in Indianapolis.

So that that, to me, I'm not necessarily a massive fan of. And I think at the top, you know? Like Ohio State, I think the AP maybe dropped Ohio State, wherever they were down to six. So you lose in this case, if that's what the committee has them find the final ranking, they lose. A buy, you know? So instead of getting the buys, the top four team. Now you're hosting a first round matchup, so is that a. Is that a massive penalty for losing to Michigan with everything on the line this year and losing and now you're see you next year?

Now, next year, it's going to be well depending. I guess. If you lose to them again, would you drop all the way out? Would you go from six to 13? I don't know, but I do think I'm just looking at the poll, right? You got Ole Miss at 11..

You got Penn State at 10, Missouri at nine, Oklahoma is there at 12, you know, LSU with Jane Daniels is at 13, Arizona is at 14. They're another fun team, they're really good, yeah.

Those debates are going to now there's just an argument, it's just going to slide down to that 11 12, 13 14 debate. Just like you have, I guess, with March madness. You know when teams argue who should be in and who should be out, so there's always going to be arguments. I just I think the regular season can't lose its importance, and really the Conference Championship other than the SEC. Because I don't know if you guys ever been to that.

That is the typically the best atmosphere of the entire year, because that region that still matters as much, if not more, than the National Championship. So like this Saturday, if you guys are free, should go down to Atlanta and watch Alabama and Georgia in that dome. Because if you go to Indy and watch Michigan and Iowa, it just it's just not the same. I'm sure you've been to Wisconsin there.

Iowa, Iowa, being like in a 12 team playoff, Iowa, you know, obviously that Minnesota game. They got screwed, but like that, I was one of my favorite teams in college football. Even though their arrival Wisconsin. Just because it makes people so angry that they keep winning these games the way they're winning them, it drives people crazy. They're like the bears, right, yeah.

I.

Their offense is more about let's work the clock. Yeah, not get a score, let's just work the clock and maybe we'll score. The defense gives us a short field. Yeah, that's. That's got to be their plan Saturday against J..J.

McCarthy.

So that has to be a new record.

Plus 170, plus 200.

Yeah, they play the money line, it's a lock. I made a nice, nice shot.

We'll have that on our system, our tech system that we're going to invent with.

So if if hypothetically, Iowa had beaten Minnesota, if they didn't have that that bogus, fair catch call and then Iowa beats Michigan, does Iowa get into the playoff? But see that?

I would just go back to, Are they? Are they one of the best for that? That's what I would say. Yeah, and I see his Big 10 champs.

They would probably get in, yeah, defenses. The problem is that the way.

They make everyone so upset. It's great. Yeah, they do. they do. People get worked up.