#1997 - Cameron Hanes

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Hello, Cameron Haynes. God, I'm nervous. Dude, this is the launch day. Shut the fuck up. I'm nervous.

What's it called?

It's called Elk Blood.

Elk Blood. How sick is that?

Cheers, sir.

Thank you. You too. How sick is that, Elk Blood?

It's good, too. We went over, like, man, how many iterations did we go over?

About 20..

Yeah, there was a shitload. We kept tweaking it and, you know, it's kind of the same thing that we did with the Flaming Joe. You've got to get it right. It takes a long time. But those guys, whatever they're doing, whatever fucking alchemy they're doing to make this stuff so delicious.

Yeah, this is good. This is really good. And I just love that it's, well, first it says, Cam Haines and Joe Rogan, Elk Blood. How sick is that?

And it's CBD, so it's got 25 milligrams of CBD. And we're going to do an Ignite version as well. No sugar. Yeah, no sugar. It's got caffeine.

I love them.

We'll bust them out too.

A lot of sugar.

Woo, there's so much sugar. Yeah, that's like. That's cheating.

I know. I was drinking, that. I was like, holy shit, this thing is so good. And then I was like, what's going on here? Then I look and I'm like, oh, that's why.

How many milligrams does it have of sugar? Google. Well, you just go, grab a few for us. Infinity. I love them.

They are so good. I mean, if you're not hung up on sugar like I am.

I'm hung up on it too. Yeah. You should be. You really should be. But it's a wonderful treat.

Yeah, if you reward yourself. So if you, say, if you run a hundred miler. Right. I'm like, I can have it. I can have a good Black Rifle coffee ready to drink with some sugar.

Well, you know, Floyd Mayweather drinks Coca-Cola or Pepsi. I forget which one. But he drinks it, like, he drinks soda, essentially, right after he works out sometimes. And I talked to a nutritionist. He said, actually, like, post-rigorous exercise like that is actually a pretty effective way of dumping glucose back in your body.

I better have one too. But, yeah, no.

But these are fucking awesome too, man. These have too much sugar as well.

No, I know.

They definitely all have too much sugar.

Dan, the fitness man, came and trained with me one time. You know, elk shape. Yeah. Dan's statement. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love his podcast. He's got great YouTube videos too.

He is good. I mean, he's just like. He seems like a great guy. He's a legit. He's just an elk hunter.

Yeah, seems like it.

Doesn't talk shit about me.

Seems like a real good guy.

That makes me like him.

That's a nice thing. A lot of people talk shit about you, Cam Haynes.

I know. But he gave me one of these. And that's where I was like, wait a second. I got a little. Why is this so good?

It's too good. It's too good. What is the milligrams of sugar? You can read this. I can't read this with a light that's dim.

Where is it?

Does it say 16?? 18.. Total sugars. 18 grams. 18, yeah.

That's actually not too bad.

Well, it's not compared to apple juice. I thought it was more. Do you know how much fucking apple juice has in it? Total sugars. My daughter pointed this out to me.

This says 28..

What's the matter? It doesn't say 18?.

That says 28..

It says 18, right? Hold on. Oh, he has good eyes.

Yeah, this says 18..

No, he has crazy vision, dude. He can see weird shit. Like, I dropped my phone once when we were at Tejon Ranch. I dropped it on the ground. And he saw it cracked.

Yeah, but you're three months older than me. Yeah, I'm older.

My eyes are not as good.

In three months, I'll be where you are.

No, no, no, no. You have weird vision. You really do. Like, your vision is extraordinary. And I always wonder.

Well, you know, what I've always done still, but I used to. I've talked about it a few times, but I will run at night and I never wear a light. Like, I'll run on Pisgah, the mountain. I run, and never have a headlight.

Are you trying to get eaten? What are you doing?

Well, I'm not worried about that, but.

Don't people get eaten up there?

In my head, no.

Come on. In Pisgah? I don't think so. Didn't someone in Oregon recently get eaten?

Not that I know of.

There was two people last year that got, got got on the Pacific Northwest.

In Alberta, a woman was killed by a black bear last year.

Yeah, I heard about that one. But wasn't there a couple people that were killed by mountain lions last year? 2018, hiker. Broken neck puncture wounds by cougar.

Speaking of my neck, look at this.

What's going on?

Look at this bling. Look at the bling!

You gotta see each bling!

I've only had this on, this is the second time.

Oh, my god, are you hanging out with rappers?

I know. What's going on? I'm celebrating my JRE appearance. So that was the whole reason why I wore it, just to do that right there. That's adorable.

That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, that's when you can wear bling. When someone gives it to you.

What I was going to say was. That's cool.

If you went out and bought that for yourself, it's a little questionable. Right? Unless you're like a Machine Gun Kelly type person. A very flamboyant, like a rapper or some rock star. You can get one and rock it hard.

No, my vision. I can't.

I wear old man shoes. People make fun of my shoes.

I know, you should be wearing these fuckers.

I would wear those.

But listen, so my vision is the bling with a bearskin jacket.

Mmm, I like it. A bear that you killed. Yeah. Yeah, everybody's got to shut the fuck up if you actually killed a bear.

Yeah.

I ate him too. We ate his pepperoni. Dude, we're eating bear pepperoni. It's delicious. It's very, very good.

So good.

Shout out to whoever processed that for you. Whatever butcher did that for you.

This is in Cottage Grove, Oregon. And Gates. Yeah. Gates Family Tradition Meats.

There's a bunch of those folks out there that are, it's like they're the unsung heroes of the wild game world.

That is so good. And that's bear. Oh, yeah. And people are like, oh, you can eat bear?

Summer sausage. I've had bear summer sausage. It was delicious. You know who's the best for talking about all this stuff? Because, you know, you know Jesse Griffiths?

Well, I mean, imagine what he could do with bear. Oh, yeah. If he did that magic with duck.

What Jen Rivett can do with bear. I know. She makes those bear roasts in the Traeger and cooks them for like fucking 16 hours.

I wanted to bring, so I had that ham. Yeah. I sent you a picture of. because my goal was, I thought, oh, maybe we can cook this, because I thought you're going to have a Traeger here at the studio.

We did. We do actually. It's just not hooked up to the ceiling yet.

Right. I mean, so I'm like, oh, we could marinate this thing. And so I had Jen send me her marinating recipe. You know, it's got brown sugar. It's got all the shit in it.

Yeah. And they know how to make shit delicious.

So Trace did all that and got it. But of course, you don't have a Traeger. So I'm like, well, I'll bring some bear pepperoni. And I was. I was asking because everybody they're so concerned about trichinosis.

He got sick after we warned everybody forever. It's the craziest thing. It's almost like he wanted to get it.

Yeah. He manifested it.

Because he always said that he wanted to get scratched by a grizzly. Just scratched. He just wanted to fuck a tattoo. Sounds good. I want claws across the chest, you know.

Right.

And he goes, all that shit's out the window. Fuck that.

Had the come to Jesus moment.

100%. come to Jesus. moment. An 11 foot bear that's claimed an elk that you shot and you don't know about it. And you're eating lunch, sitting around in his territory.

Well, what I was going to say was, so. I asked Gates, Tanner's, he's a young kid just kicking ass. Does such a great job with your wild game meat. But I said, what's the process for making pepperoni? Because people are nervous about cooking and trichinosis.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. And so there's no worry. No worry of trichinosis. Right. And it just tastes amazing.

It's good. What's weird is, and this is a little known fact. When the settlers were making their way across America, they would kill bear for meat and they would kill deer for the hides. And that was their preferred food was bear. Because it was closer to beef.

Oh, I didn't know that.

That's why, yeah. That's where that term came from.

Yeah. I learned so much on this podcast.

I've got a lot of useless information bouncing around in my head. But that's a fascinating one. Like, I wonder what shifted where they stopped eating bear. And then, all of a sudden, bear became a teddy bear, and bear became your friend, and bear became a yogi. And bear became only you can prevent forest fires.

I saw that. That thing comes boiling out of there. Intense. Oh, my God.

Pull that up, Jamie. We have to see it, because it's so scary. They're so scary.

Do we have a Pull It Up, Jamie shirt?

I think Jamie has one. Oh, good. Jamie, you have Pull It Up, Jamie shirts, right? I think so. Is it on Pull It Up, Jamie.com?

Your merch, dude. You've got to get your merch going.

Young Jamie.com. Look at this video.

Oh, my God.

Very smart, revving that engine. I know. Very smart. Oh, man. That is a very, very smart move.

Yeah, they are. They're monsters.

They are the killers of the forest. Yeah. That's all they do.

Hey, you know what? This is a point. You had the Alaska bone people up, remember? Remember that video where they had the brown bear and the muskox? You watched that, right?

Yes.

Killing the calves? Yeah. I just had a study sent to me, but they had a radio caller. Maybe you guys talked about this. I can't remember, but a radio caller on Grizzlies up there.

This is what is always weird to me. We have these things that are in our head, like acceptable narratives of animals that you're allowed to kill. You're allowed to kill fish. People. fish.

Well, and you go to the zoo, you see a bear. Yeah, they're cool. It's not doing shit. It's just laying there. Yeah.

You see circus bears. Right.

They're harmless. Yeah. Why would somebody want to kill one of these things? But then you go into the wild and you see, like where I was just bear hunting last week in Alberta. These bear come in.

They have that much sensitivity on the ground. I bet it makes sense.

Because I saw the smaller sow like trying to stomp, and I'm like, it just makes sense that that was going on because they would knew that, they knew that the bear I killed was coming long before they could see him.

So a bear the size of the bear you killed is like a tyrant. Yeah. He kills all the babies. He kills whatever he can get ahold of. He kills younger bears.

Right.

That's what's.

If, if, aside. Yeah.

There's so much of that that they and cannibalize. Like if a bear gets shot by a hunter and you get to it, there's a possibility that other bears are eating it already.

Right. Yeah.

That's a real good possibility.

That happens often.

It happens often.

If you have to leave it overnight.

Yes.

There's a chance. it's going to be eaten.

Which is fucking wild. But that's the world. It's not a world of Yogi. No. And this is a crazy idea of this animal that people have, which is make, what makes people take selfies with them and do all this crazy shit that they do at like Yellowstone, those wackadoos that get in front of bison.

That was probably not September then, because they weren't rutting.

No, they weren't rutting. No, no. It was the summertime, but it was, it was still, it was totally alien behavior.

Right.

Like completely domesticated. Yeah. And just imagine what it was like when they reintroduced wolves into that area.

Oh God. Bloodbath.

Because this is, this is the animal that you're dealing. You're forcing an animal to be reintegrated with the most ferocious death.

Right.

So you think there's too many of them. You think it's imbalanced. You think they shouldn't have killed off the wolves. Okay. Well, now what?

We're just out here hanging out.

No, the occasional mountain lion, whatever, whatever. But an occasional mountain lion is nothing like a pack of wolves.

No. No.

The pack of wolves makes a whole lot more wolves and they all stay together and they hunt together.

They got a process for killing. They got it down. They got it down.

They got some sort of telepathy or something going on.

You've seen where they communicate, where one wolf will tire out, the next wolf will fill in. Yeah. Like a little relay team. Yeah. Wearing out one animal.

But they go on rampages sometimes.

You flip that switch on. Yeah. They're killing everything.

Yeah. They're not like native Americans. They only want to like kill what they use.

I'm using every piece of this animal.

Yeah. No, they're not like that. They don't have any, they don't have any idea of conservationism. Their idea is to just kill everything that's in front of them. And there was a, what was it recently?

Yeah.

Just went on a rampage.

I remember seeing that, yeah.

Just, I don't know what happened or how they, like got so many of them, but.

It happens with livestock all the time.

Yeah. Well, can you see if you can find it? It was like surplus killing. I believe it was in Wyoming, if I remember correctly. But they were shocked.

Right.

They just went on a rampage. They weren't hungry.

That, I mean, that's what they're born to do.

Yeah. Yeah. Wolf pack slaughters 19 elk in rare surplus killing. So this was in 2016..

It's not rare, though. I mean, so even, even that word rare.

Yeah. Well,

who's saying rare?

Well, I think it's rare. they get that many. I wonder what the circumstances were where they could kill that many. Yeah. There's, there's a photo of all the elk lined up.

That was right above.

It's horrible. Yeah. Look at that. That's crazy.

Yeah. I just don't, I don't, I'm not, I'm not convinced that it's rare. I think it's rare that we find out about it.

How many wolves did that? That's what I want to know. I don't know. I want to know how many wolves, if there was 19,, what, you got 50 wolves up there? You got a hundred wolves?

I don't, I,

they have a good accounting of how many wolves are up there.

Oh, it says nine wolves.

Nine wolves.

Yeah. I was going to say, I don't think it would take that many to do that. That's incredible. Because those are all, see, it's 17 calves. So that's, that's kind of the point with that muskox video.

And two adults. Yeah. 17 calves and two adults. Wow.

I mean, they, they can't run like a full grown, what muskox or elk or anything else. So they're, they're pretty much just ripe for the picking. That's, bear, even black bear will follow elk around when they know it's calving season. Right. When the calf is born, they'll kill it.

Listen, Lund also described the kill to CNN as sport killing. Although the consensus among biologists and wildlife officials is that wolves do not hunt for sport, but sometimes kill more than they can eat at one point, especially in winter, when frigid temperatures preserve the killed prey for later consumption. You know what I bet, though? I bet they can't help themselves when they see calves. No.

The switch is on.

Yeah. It's like a kitten with a ball of yarn. Roll, a ball of yarn in front of a kitten. They, just, if they see babies like baby moose, baby deer, baby elk. Time to kill.

Somebody else said that too, that they didn't know. animals kill just for the fun of it. I'm, like, you, ever seen a house cat? Bro,

house cats kill literally billions of animals a year.

Yeah.

Or feral cats, really. Right. Mostly outdoor. I mean, it's all, it's, I bet a lot of the killing is done by actual feral cats, but a lot of it is done by people's pets.

You've seen pets that bring back a bird or a mouse and just lay it down there. Oh yeah.

I had a cat, she was the sweetest, fluffiest thing, and she would bring back a bird, like she did some awesome thing. She wanted me to see it. Mm-hmm. And she's just a ball of love. at any other time.

It's natural instinct.

a mouse death. Death.

Natural, you know,

they play with them.

You know what's weird is like, so, Marshall. Yeah. You see dogs, they see a squirrel outside, they're automatically in hunt mode. I don't know if, is Marshall? Oh,

dude, he killed two last week. Right. He's been on a rampage, so now it's fucked up.

The nicest, fluffiest, sweetest dog.

A bundle of love. He's all love, but he wants to fuck up squirrels. And also turtles. So we have to keep, protect the turtles from him now. So now I have to wander around my fucking yard looking for turtles.

He kills them.

He kills them. Yeah, he fucked one of his teeth up, biting the shit out of his turtle shell. I'm like, bro, like, what are you doing? Where's the real Marshall? Where's my buddy?

Does he try to get there? He's trying to kill them. They go in, does he just crush the whole shell?

He's trying to fucking chew at them while they're in there.

Man, Marshall.

Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah. It was horrible. He's done it to a couple of them now. So now, when we go outside, we have to look for turtles first.

Oh.

Yeah.

So, I mean, it's just animal instinct.

It's just animal instinct. And it's a sad one. Because it's like, I kind of, I think turtles are cool. I don't want the turtle babies to get fucked up on my dog.

I remember, I'm still kind of traumatized by this. I was driving back from scouting for elk and driving along this Mohawk River road and a turtle was crossing the road. I didn't, and I hit it with. the, just ran over it. Smush.

This is why I think we have this relationship with turtles. Because they've never done anything to us. The worst thing that's ever happened to us, yeah, but only if you fuck with them. They don't come for you. No.

I had a turtle. Turtle, pretty low maintenance as a pet. Like, I had a little tiny one when I was a kid.

I had a few of them and they will fuck up some goldfish. Yeah. Let me tell you something. Whoa, look at the size of that thing. See, that's a snapping turtle.

That would kill somebody.

That would bite your fucking hand right off your wrist. Yeah, it would. Snap. Look at that monster.

See, that one's-.

Look at the scales on that thing. my God.

That thing's coming for Marshall.

That thing doesn't even look like a real thing. No, I don't think they hunt. But my dog's so dumb, he'd probably try to bite it.

Look at his nose. His nose looks like weird.

That looks like something right out of Dune. There are pig-nosed turtles.

Yeah. I don't know,

but that- What is the biggest snapping turtle?

That's pretty intense.

Wouldn't you think? Yeah. That looks like a demon. That totally looks like a demon.

That's what orcs look like, right?

Yeah, that looks like- I was just going to say Lord of the Rings.

They could make a movie with that thing.

That totally looks like it belongs in Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at that fucking face. Look at its eyes.

I'm glad I didn't hit that with my truck.

Dude, there's something about reptile eyes that scare the shit out of you.

Yeah, you know, so- Look at those eyeballs. They say like with snakes, if their eyes are like a slit, like,

Really?

The problem is you got to get that close to see their eyes. Oh, dude. So, like, you said, your eyes aren't very good?

My eyes aren't very good. I'm not going to be able to tell.

You take one right in the face.

Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. A friend of mine sent me videos of her garage. She's like, are these bad? And there's two fucking coral snakes making their way through the garage. I'm like, those are real bad.

Right.

Yeah, don't fuck with them.

I mean-.

Because coral snakes are weird. Because they don't have the head. Like when you see the head of a rattlesnake, you see that diamond-shaped head, and you're like, oh, that thing's poisonous.

Well, and it's pretty clear that, I mean, they're pissed, their tail's going off, they look fucking mean,

big fangs. They, let me know. You're like, okay. There's some consequences involved in getting close to me.

Yeah, and it's very evident.

Yeah, very evident. They don't want to die. Right. That's all it is. They don't want to die.

I don't think so, no.

They have them out here, man. They're fucking beautiful. They're this, like, multicolored. Look, how cool they look.

Yeah, those do look cool.

But you look at the head, it's not that fucking triangular thing that you're scared of.

But look, that eye's round, though. Uh-oh, there goes my theory.

There's a slit, though. There's a slit up and down. See the up and down slit?

Yeah. Yeah.

What is it about, like, nature and creating some animals that are just extraordinarily beautiful?

God, see those...

And then pigs.

I know.

Pigs get the short end of the stick.

My eye theory is thrown out the window, though, so scratch that.

Did I tell you what my agent said to me? What? My agent loves animals. She's a wonderful lady. She loves animals.

Gay.

I was like, Jesus Christ.

See, that's a problem.

That's discrimination. It is. In the animal kingdom, nobody wants you to hunt a tiger. They're gorgeous. Theory's not off.

Thin, black, vertical pupils. Yeah. Mmm.

Okay. So it's up and down.

You've got to see the pupil. So you've got to see the pupil. That's the problem.

Oh, you can't get that.

That's what you should be doing. I guess I was right, but this is going to be tough to find out.

I ran over a rattlesnake once, and I didn't know it was a rattlesnake until I was mid-leap over it. It was in the middle of the road. Oh. My dogs ran over it, too. Oh, God.

Yeah, that trail.

So we're running down that trail, and we run over this thing that looks like a branch in the road. Yeah. Like a kind of thick branch in the road. And as I'm over it, I realize it's a fucking huge rattlesnake. Oh, man.

By rattlesnakes.

They don't give a fuck.

So what happens?

You've got to take them to the fucking hospital. They have to get antivenom. Their head swells up like a balloon, and they're sick for a few days, and then they bounce out of it. But they can... It's funny.

They can pull you, though, like water skiing.

Yeah, but I don't have them on a leash.

Oh, I see.

Yeah. I don't like to run with dogs on a leash. I like them to be free. Right. Like Marshall's the best, because you don't have to worry about him.

He stays right with you?

Oh, yeah. He always comes and checks on you, too. Oh, back and forth. He'll get ahead of you and then come back. Everything, good, Dad?

Yeah.

He's the best. He's the best with that.

He's amazing.

He's a fun dog, but not if you're a squirrel. Yeah. Not. if you're a squirrel. Or a turtle.

I think didn't... See, here's why I was nervous coming on, because that reminded me of Theo Vaughn said something about, like, Suzanne Somers. That got you guys...

What's Suzanne Somers?

I think, like, a golden retriever running, like, with flowing hair.

Wasn't that? Oh, right. Her hair was like that.

Yeah, so, then that got you guys on the Thighmaster. But anyway, so, yeah, like Marshall, Suzanne Somers running towards you is what I envisioned.

Yeah, but trying to eat you out of your shell. Like, what the fuck?

Oh, but the point was I'm pretty nervous because I'm like, how can... I can't follow up Theo Vaughn who...

Well, there's been a couple of people on since, Theo, right? Yeah, so you're all right.

Don't worry. And then before that...

Go ahead.

It was Jelly Roll. Yeah. Like, I feel like this podcast, your platform is made for people like Jelly Roll because it's like... But you do.

It's made for everybody.

No, but, like, he's like...

I told you fucking no. That's why you're here.

He's like this incredible talent that, like, everybody, should know about but hasn't until lately. Right. And so, to me, I'm like, this is why you created this thing, you know, to have people that deserve... just have this immense ability and deserve to have a spotlight shown on them.

Yeah, but that's not why I created it. I created it just to do it. I know, but... Because it was fun, but along the way, it became that, but it also has to be everybody else that I want to talk to, too.

All-inclusive. Yeah. You're inclusive and diverse.

Everybody. It's like, I don't... You know, I know it's a platform, but I don't think of it like that. I just think of it as like, who do I want to talk to?

You know?

That guy's awesome. Jelly Roll is awesome. He's a great story, too. Fucked up, has a 15-year-old, gets arrested, all his time in prison, comes out, and he's got the voice of an angel.

Oh, I mean, I'm addicted to his...

And isn't he a great guy?

...to his music.

Oh, his music is amazing.

Because it's real. It's like, you know, you feel that soul or that... Life experiences. Not tragedy, but it's like, there's so much emotion in it. Yeah.

You can't fake that kind of authenticity. Like, what that guy is is authentic. Yeah. You know? That need a favor, I only talk to God when I need a favor.

I only talk to God when I need a favor. Goddamn.

Unblissing.

And I only pray when I ain't got a prayer.

God, I need a favor.

I know amazing grace, but I ain't been living them words. Swear. I spent more Sundays drunk off my ass than I have in church.

Hardcover King James.

only been saving dust on the nightstand. And I don't know what to say by the time I fold my hands. I only talk to God when I need a favor. And I only pray when I ain't got a prayer. So who the hell am I, who the hell am I to expect a savior?

Goddamn, that guy's good.

I mean, to me, the reason that song... Goosebumps. I think most people can relate to that.

What's his voice, too?

That's real. You got the raspy.

That's a real dude. There's some people that just have a real voice. When they sing, you just go like, Goddamn.

Yeah, there's just no denying that talent.

Always. When you're injured, you always appreciate being healthy. When you're sick, you always appreciate being healthy.

And it's just like, oh, I took it for granted. God, I'll never take it for granted again. I've done this. I know. that's why that song is so powerful to me, because that's me.

Yeah. It's everybody. It's every human being. It's human nature. But that kind of guy, you got to cherish, those kind of people.

It was months ago, I kept watching his video. There's one he had. It's called Son of a Sinner. But then he had another one. Now, for some reason, I can't even remember what it is.

Yeah, I've seen it.

Save Me. It's incredible. Same thing. Yeah, it's incredible. I was like, this guy is fucking amazing.

Yeah, he's a freak talent. Yeah, look at this. And this dude was, you know, dude was in jail, you know?

I mean, look at, I can see pain in his eyes.

This is what made him, right? This song? Yeah, I think so. I think this video too.

I mean, can't you see pain in his eyes? Yeah.

Me from myself.

Living in hell.

They say my lifestyle.

Is bad for my health. It's the only thing That seems to help.

All of this drinking.

This smoking, This hopeless, But feel like it's all that I need. Something inside of me is broken. I hold on to anything.

That sets me free. I'm a lost cause.

Baby, don't waste your time on me. I'm so damaged beyond repair. Life has shattered My hopes and my dreams.

I'm a lost cause. Baby, don't waste your time on me.

I'm so damaged beyond repair.

Life has shattered.

My hopes and my dreams.

Damn.

So, does everybody put themselves in that story?

Yeah, I think everybody does. I think that's the beautiful thing about a great songwriter and a great singer. There's something about someone who writes their own songs too. There's something about when you're trusting them with your thoughts. It's like you're riding along on the song, on the lyrics, on the music.

To me, when I think of that, I think of church. When I think of those experiences, like you just said. Because in church, that's kind of the magic of church. You sing the hymns.

Did you ever see the video of Biden in the black church?

Oh my God. Except for him. Did you ever see it? He wasn't really in that moment, was he? He was in his own moment.

He didn't know what to do.

And supposedly he grew up in a black church.

Of course he did. In the 1800s.

How can you not feel that music?

That's kind of crazy. Are presidents allowed to fucking get into it? Obama would.

I would love it.

100% Obama would have had a great time and everybody would have enjoyed it.

You see Obama.

Trump would have tried. He would have did a little clapping.

Obama would have did a little something. He could fit in with whoever he was around. If he met athletes, he'd be like the half hug shit. Like an athlete would to another athlete. The bro hug.

What do you got? We got a Trump one. Is there Trump at a black church? There must be Trump at a black church. Let me see him dancing around.

That's Michelle Obama right there, isn't it?

No.

Omarosa.

It might be Omarosa. That's who it is.

That's who it is. I knew, I recognized.

You knew, you recognized her. Omarosa was on Fear Factor.

No. Yeah. Really? Yeah. How'd she do?

I don't remember. I think she did okay. I was like. this is an ambitious lady. Yeah.

She had goals.

A lot of horsepower behind those thoughts. A lot of goals.

Yeah.

A lot of fucking.

Didn't they?

A lot of belief in herself.

That turned into like a.

Yeah. There she is. Bam. Oh, yeah. Look at that.

Yeah. Look at you. Geez, dude. The cargo pants.

This is looking slick, right? I like that look.

Oh, those cargo pants were dominating that picture.

I've always been a mess.

But.

Yeah.