#2022 - Jeremy Gerber, Phil Gerber, & Josh Henning
2023-08-17 02:45:29
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Okay, and we're up. What's up? Hey, first of all, thanks for coming here. Thanks for everything.
Pleasure, man. Absolutely.
We're very excited. Just introduce yourself. Start with you, Josh.
I'm Josh Henning from The Roadshow Shop.
Phil Gerber. Jeremy Gerber.
And you guys make fucking awesome cars.
Well, thank you.
For a living. What a great job. I mean, what a fucking great job.
Dude, yeah, it is.
You guys get to work on some of the fucking coolest cars that have ever been made. You guys have an incredible gig.
Living the dream, man. That's it. That's what it's all about.
So I drove that 1970 Barracuda and I got here. I said, I don't want to say shit until we get on the air.
Dude, I'm sweating. I've been sweating thinking about it.
That thing is a masterpiece. It's my favorite. That's my favorite car. now. That just went number one.
It beat all of them. Hell yeah, dude. You know, like Edges. You know, the Camaro is amazing. My Nova that I got from Steve Strope is fucking incredible.
But this thing is fucking…. It's also, it's like I have so much history with this car. And I bought this car 20 years ago. And to buy…. Reggie Bush bought it and then he got rid of it.
after a while. He dumped a bunch of money into it too, he was telling me. And then, when my friend Yoel told me he got it back, he called me and he said, I have your Barracuda. I'm like, no. And this is like, you know, I was already thinking that I wanted to get another one.
Like. I wanted to get them…. I only like hot rods that are manuals. That's all I like. I do not like automatic hot rods.
It just feels like something's wrong. When you're driving a classic muscle car, it's like, why am I not shifting? You know? And just what you guys did to that thing is just…. You guys are artists.
I appreciate it, man. It's really amazing.
Dude, we were stoked. Stoked to hear when you found that car. Because you could have built anything, you know? But that damn car was so rad. And to start with it, revamp that sucker, and put our touch on it.
I had a blast doing it, dude, and I'm glad that you're digging it.
I love it. I love it.
That was the whole… Everything on that, all the styling and stuff aside, it was…. The focus was making that fucker work really good. So that you got something fun to drive.
It drives so different than anything else. It's that high-revving, naturally aspirated Mercury engine, which is very different.
It's a wild motor, man. Like the Mopar dudes, not a big fan of it, right? Because it's Chevy-based, but it's a fucking motor. It's an internal combustion engine. It looks like a heavy under the hood.
People have to get over that shit.
There's a bunch of people that are taking V8s, like LS engines, and putting them in the back of Porsches.
Yeah.
And people are like, man, I don't know. They're doing those 964s, air-cooled engines. But, dude, do you know how fun that would be? It's probably lighter than the Porsche engine. It's got way more torque.
Oh, yeah. Way more horsepower. Totally different sound.
I mean, it's upgrades. It doesn't have to fit. It's not like you've got to stick with whatever came in the factory to make it better.
It's hot-rodding.
They've got to let that shit go. They've got to let that shit go. The people who are the worst about it is Ferrari people. Ferrari will sue you.
I know, man. I've heard that.
That is so crazy. If you buy a Ferrari and you paint it weird colors, they'll fucking sue you. Yeah.
Yeah, you see, there's a couple things floating around. You've got that dude, that just, man, he swapped a Honda motor, turbo Honda motor, into an old 308.. Every comment's like, when's the cease and desist letter coming?
Yeah, I wonder if they can do that with classic ones, because I know that there's a bunch of people that have hot-rodded some old GTOs, and they really are incredible.
They're cool, dude. I talk about it all the time. I'm itching to restomod a Testarossa. It's going to happen one of these days.
I don't know why, but I see those cars. Those cars never did it. for me. Really? It looks like junk.
That side thing with the vents, get the fuck out of here. What is that?
It's the generational gap.
No, that was Miami Vice. I was a kid. I remember Miami Vice. Everybody wanted a Testarossa.
I want to do that Lambo LP 2000 or whatever, the Lambo truck, the vintage one.
Oh, the one Mike Tyson had. Mike Tyson had one of those back in the day.
Do those with mid-travel?
You only want to do that because you picture that fucking Doberman sitting in the front seat of that. That's the perfect car for Doberman, Rottweiler. That's your style, for sure.
Yeah, that's the guy with warrants. The guy's got a car like that. The guy's done some shady shit.
You've got to get some of those in your collection.
A Doberman and a Lambo truck. What are you up to? For sure you know how to get ketamine.
Dude, did you rip that Kuda? You drove it here. Yeah, I drove it here. You got a few miles on it? Yeah.
Oh, my God. Dude, it's so different. That engine is just a high-revving engine. I mean, what's the redline on that thing?
You could shift it like 83, 8400..
That's so crazy for a V8.. It's so crazy, and it sounds so different. It sounds like a combination of the Voodoo engine from the Shelby GT350 and an exotic car. It's real weird.
It's got a sweet sound. The Voodoo engines and all those Coyotes are cool, but me even being a car guy, if I'm on the highway and I'm just cruising with my family, and some asshole kid flies by you in one of those with an exhaust system on it, I'm like, what the fuck? Jesus, man. Have a little respect.
I don't think you need an exhaust system on one of those. They sound good when they're straight from the factory. I like that sound. But dudes go crazy with their exhausts. It's not annoying to you?
Yeah, it's like a maturity thing, I think. You want the exhaust tone. Like that car, too, we put that little bypass on it. You can open it up, and it's maybe like 20%, 30% louder, but it's not obnoxious.
It doesn't need to be. That sounds perfect.
I didn't know if there was an HOA or something, so I was trying to make sure you had that option.
Yeah, I try to be respectful.
It's weird driving that, though, and then getting back in another LS V8-powered car, and you're shifting so much earlier, and then you jump in that, trying to mentally stay in at another 3,000 RPMs. It comes alive at 5,000 and just rips.
It's just very different, but it's got plenty of low-end torque to be fun right off the line. But it's just like when you get on the highway, first of all, the handling, the thing. I wanted to ask you this. Because you guys remapped how the transmission works and the tunnel, and then you put the rear transaxle, does that shift the weight more to the back?
That car ends up being like perfect 50-50.. So, with a big monster V8 in front of it, the car still, you know, it's a little more exotic because it's balanced.
That's what I was thinking when I was driving it. I'm like, God, this thing is so balanced. It's so sorted.
It's just like super predictable, and it feels like a sports car, doesn't it?
The exact opposite feeling of the old car. The old 70 had that giant Hemi in the front, and it was like really front-end, heavy. Oh, yeah. And you could feel it. You could feel it around turns.
You could feel it everywhere. It was like, yikes! It had solid rear axle. It didn't have the widest tires in the world. And it was just like, oh, sketch.
Big old boat anchor. That's why everybody that chimes in, they're like, man, it should have had a big old 426 Hemi with a four-barrel on it. You're like, dude, what the fuck? Shut your mouth.
Shut your mouth. If I gave you that car, you'd shake your pants. It's the most incredible car of all time. Like, shut up.
You drove the Camaro yesterday, you were talking about. Yes. So it's interesting, back-to-back two days, jumping out of the Camaro. The Camaro is way more sketchy.
The Camaro is like, if you're taking a right turn, you give it a little juice, you're going to kick out. It's so powerful at the low end. It's got that, just wants to go. You've got to be very careful with the throttle in the Camaro.
Yeah, you've got to respect the Camaro a lot more than this one.
This one just lets you feel where the balance is. You know where the limitations are. It's giving you more information, it seems like. The Camaro is just like a bar brawler. The Camaro is like some crazy dude who comes into a bar and he's doing coke and he just wants to start smashing shit.
That's what it's like. It handles great. For one of those cars, for a 69, you don't get a 69 Camaro that handles better. It handles amazing. But it's so rowdy.
What is that, like 850 horsepower?
Yeah, 850 horsepower. It's the supercharger, man. The torque is like, wham! It's like a light switch.
It's fun.
You can whine that fucker out, though. I mean, it'll shoot pretty straight. It's a fun car to drive.
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Just enjoy it at seven. Don't get that bitch up to nine or ten. Don't do it.
Swap a pulley on it. I had the privilege of flogging that thing and making sure it was sorted, but that fucker is rowdy compared to the Kuda.
It's a very different feeling, but they're both equally enjoyable in different ways.
I've sang the praises of those cars so many times, but there's just something about that era of cars that is the greatest achievement in automotive history. In terms of what it emotes from people, the kind of passion that people have for those things.
Yeah. Sometimes it's too much passion, though. If you like flying under the radar. Oh, yeah. Obviously, for you, yeah, it creates a lot of conversation.
Yeah. And for me, I'm like, you know, you drive something like that just to fill it up with gas, and you're everybody's best friend. Everybody's got something to say. Yeah. Those old pickup, 70s pickup trucks, too?
Same fucking situation. Oh, yeah.
People who love those old pickup trucks, that's like a very specific breed of person. Yeah. Those C10s. It is.
You know, it is, and it isn't, because it transcends just the C10 dudes, because chicks love those. Dude, C10s?
Oh, yeah.
Square body, Chevys? Man, if you're a single dude and you're trying to roll some broads, man, get a fucking square body.
There's guys out there right now taking notes. I'm like, okay.
So, you sure? You sure about this? Solid sales, bitch. Yeah. So, the year range, what do we got?
73 to 79?.
That's what we're doing. Yeah, those Legend series or whatever.
Is anybody redoing the OJ Bronco?
It's getting there. It seems like that's starting.
It's old enough now that that's a classic, right?
It is. It's shifting, man, because the generation is changing, and people are doing more of those. We just did an 87 Grant National, and it's getting into that era. You're going to break into the early 90s.
Yeah.
We did a chassis for one, and we had it in our shop. I wanted to do one, slam that bitch on a chassis, license plate, juice, and of course.
Do you guys know Mark Curry, Hanging with Mr. Cooper? Remember that show? Yeah. Mark Curry's a car nut, too.
He's a stand-up comic, and he had this beautiful OJ Bronco. It was really dope. Pretty sure it was a Bronco. And a fucking tree fell on it.
He had the Bronco in his show, I remember. He had the Bronco in his show, too. Did he? His TV show. I think he would drive that.
Yeah, so look at this. Oh. Yeah. A fucking tree fell on his truck and crushed it.
Man, poor guy.
Yeah, I think it totaled it. Yeah, it looks like it. See if you can get photos of it, because it's a massive tree that fell on his. Look at the size of the fucking tree that fell on his Bronco.
It was a dope Bronco, though. He had it completely redone. It was a total sleeper. There's Mark. Mark's, the shit.
Super cool dude. Really, really funny. stand-up, too. Have you ever seen him live? I've never seen it.
He's really funny. Really funny. But, you know, he made like a ton of money off of hanging with Mr. Cooper. He's just chilling, having a good time, enjoying himself.
But just luckily he wasn't in that thing. That's how our governor got paralyzed.
The tree? The tree fell.
Is that what happened? I was wondering what happened.
He was jogging. Jogging around a lake.
Does a tree fall on you while you're jogging?
Dude, what are the odds? What are the odds? Yeah. They do fall, though. You know, when you're hunting and you're in an area with a lot of deadfall and it's windy, if you hear crack, that's something you have to be very considerate of.
You have to really consider it. Because if you hear a tree falling and it's anywhere near you, you could get got. You have to really pay attention if you're in a place where trees fall. It's super, super, super rare to be there when a tree falls. But when you go through the woods, you see fallen trees all the time.
They do happen. And if you are there when that, I mean, you could just zig when you should have zagged.
If that happens to me, I hope it takes me out, dude. Because I hate, I would not want to tell that story. Like, if I'm limping around.
I hope it grazes me.
I hope it grazes you. And people are like, dude, what happened? Fucking tree fell on me. Came out of nowhere. Yeah.
Well, Abbott's pulled it off. He's the governor. He's a great guy, too. And, you know, that's what happened to him. It's a crazy story.
Just, guy was like super fit, running around a lake.
That's nuts.
That's wild. Yeah. Fucking wild.
That's like we always talk, no disrespect to anybody, but getting hit by a train.
That's always blown my mind.
Because they're not, they don't sneak up on you.
They do, though. Because they're moving so fast, you miscalculate how much time it takes to get out of the way. You really do. You see them, you see them coming, they're coming towards you. You don't, you don't understand what that means.
Like, if you think you can run across a highway because you see the car down there, no, you can't. No, you can't. That car's going 80 miles an hour. It's going to fucking smash into you. It's just a bad, and it's also like, for whatever reason, sometimes people stop on tracks.
It's the craziest thing. Their car stalls, they get stopped on tracks. Or they try to beat the train, and they get, that's what happened to Matt Hughes.
Yeah, the train.
Yeah, I mean. Trains are fucking, it's amazing.
It's an adrenaline thing, too. You know, we were out ripping those scooters, those little rental fucking electric scooters. And Sean was a buddy of mine. He fucking throttles down on this thing. I'm like, dude, don't do that.
Oh, yeah. Right in front of the train. It looked like something out of a movie. Oh, God damn it. Like, if we had fireworks going off in the background, it would have been.
I forgot all about that. Yeah. I had a concussion. That's weird.
I forgot about it. And you're trusting some fucking rental scooter.
Right.
Like, what are the odds that that thing's not beat to shit?
Hey, driving around Austin yesterday.
After we drove them.
Those things, just, they leave them wherever, huh?
Ever. You have a nap, you just find one, pick it up, start riding.
Oh, you're in the middle of the road. Like, yesterday. we were driving around, they're just fucking everywhere.
It's a great way for people to get around, though. If you like, look, Austin is a great walking around city. There's a lot of places, just like where my club is on 6th Street. They shut the street down on the weekends. And it's just for people walking around.
It's amazing. It's fucking cool. A group of those. Just everybody just wandering around, going to bars. It's really nice.
Prime for a bachelorette party on about six or seven of those scooters.
Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, they're always happening.
I've seen them get KO'd.
They're always happening. And they're in those petty cabs. They're always in the back. Yeah!
Those scooters should be regulated here. We're lucky to have Josh with us today, because Josh had himself a fucking violent wreck on one of those in Louisville? Yeah. Oh, man.
Helmet? Oh, no helmet.
No helmet.
Head bang? Yeah.
Like a bouncy ball. We're all doing stupid shit.
Yeah, off the concrete.
Oh, boy.
Pull out my phone, I'm navigating, we're trying to find a bar. I'm in the lead, and pull out my phone and just kind of stand there, and then got a tank slapper, and...
Oh, fuck.
Honestly, my pride is hurt. Oh. Way worse.
Yeah, it's not recoverable.
When you get older, falling becomes way more dangerous.
That's what we said.
You know? I used to fall when I was a kid. It was like a normal thing, like, fall off your bike. Now you fall off your bike, like, Jesus.
Yeah. Checking everything. Yeah. You used to be able to, like, roll. Now it's just you hit and splat.
Yeah. You just hit awkward. And then things click.
Why is it clicking?
Why is my neck clicking? I'm just thinking about cracked bones and shit. Yeah, don't ride scooters, bro.
Come on, we need you. He learned his lesson.
We need you out there making awesome cars.
That's right.
I saw that Grand National. you guys did. That's another car. that I appreciate, but I don't get it. I put that in the Testarossa category.
To me, it's like, that's a sedan. That's like a regular sedan. Like, there's nothing special about it. I don't like it.
So I've never been into those cars either. I've always hated the G-Bodies. Not a fan at all, but that's a car that's so fucking violently fast and badass to drive.
Oh, I'm sure.
And it's got, like, a menacing, it kind of made me a believer in them, because it's got, like, this menacing. look about it. Because it's, like you said, it's like a sedan. Yeah. You look at it, and it was an average-ass looking car.
But it kind of made me a believer. I turned the corner on the G-Bodies a little bit.
Yeah, a little bit, but it's not the best shape. Those years, what is that, like, 87 or something like that? 87, yeah. Those years sucked. It did.
Those years sucked. Even the greatest stuff that anybody made during those years sucked.
When's a Mustang coming? You got to do a Mustang, don't you?
I do have to do a Mustang. Look at that thing.
Yeah, it's pretty dope. As far as those cars go, it's dope. But it's just, they're not the best-looking cars. Like, if you're going to, I don't know, if you're going to commit to a car.
You like some shape and some—.
I like the old—.
I like the ones when people were taking acid and making great music.
Yeah. That's the cars.
Those are the cars.
Yeah, you had these, like, colorful characters that were designers that set dudes' name. It was just a fucking nut, dude. And remember with the crazy clothes and—.
Oh, yeah.
Shit,
crazy GM designer.
Had the red suit all the time.
For sure they did drugs.
Tons of drugs.
Here's why you can tell. It drops off radically after the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970.. So in 1970, they made everything Schedule 1.. They turned mushrooms, LSD, everything became Schedule 1.. And the purpose of it— Look at this fucking crazy dude.
That's the guy who designed everything? He's an animal. Look at him. You know that dude was doing drugs.
Dude, world famous, famous guy.
So when they made it in 1970, from 70 on, the cars started sucking. Yeah. Like, literally. Like, it's, like, right. when everything became illegal, the cars just fell apart.
You get, like, a couple of good 71s. Like, the 71 Barracuda's dope.
Like, carryover cars.
Yeah, but you get into, like, the 70 Camaros, and you're like, what did you do? Like, what did you do? It's like, it's okay. But, like, but you had perfection. Like, what did you do?
That's a funky one to think. Because there's 70 Camaro, guys, you know, and I could see, like, there's something about them. that's all right. But to veer away from such an iconic design. Yeah, the 69 was, it's one of the baddest-ass cars ever made.
Yeah. And to just drop that. Not even, like, evolve it a little bit. They, like, threw it up.
And then you get into, like, the 80s, and you're like, what is that?
Yeah. With the Irox.
Like, what is that? What have you done? What have you done? What are you guys doing? Do something.
You guys are on the wrong drugs.
Well, I think cocaine came in and played a part of it, you know? His fucking design is awesome!
Send it!
We did a 79 Camaro, white one. And it's, like, white T-tops, did it for a guy out of Pennsylvania, and we call it the cocaine cruiser. It's got that. look, you know? But, yeah, the design, it kind of went out the fucking window.
I think, like, AMX, AMC, AMX, I'll bet you that entire product line was, like, an acid trip, I feel like.
Right. Yeah, we had some wild ones. Javelins and shit.
Even the way they were, I mean, besides just the drugs, I mean, there's stories about Bill Mitchell. I mean, he was supposedly, now this is a story, as you heard, they were paying prostitutes out of petty cash from General Motors. Of course they were. Like, on a weekly basis.
What did they do, pay them in gold bullions?
But they lived a life, like...
It was kind of a rock star lifestyle.
I mean, there's stories about them getting drunk and taking, like, a horse-drawn carriage in New York City and driving it, like, through the Waldorf Astoria. And, I mean, shit like that back in the day, they're... It's a crazier mentality and they were getting away with a lot more shit that I think trickled down to the company.
I think they trickled down to the design. Yes. They were rock and roll guys. They made rock and roll cars, man. They really did.
Like, those... You go back and look at, like, a 1969 Mustang, like, whatever you were on back then, you fucking nailed it.
Yeah, you did.
Like, there was nothing like that before. that. You know, if you go to, like, the 19... The difference between the 1950s cars and the 1960s cars is crazy. Because if you think about the difference between a 2013 car and a 2023 car, not much fucking difference.
You're right. Even Mustangs and things like that, they look great. 13,, you know, 10 years ago. They look great now. But it's, like, they don't look that much different that you go, that's an old car.
But 50s to 60s, like, that's when the drugs kicked in. And that's 100%. They started making the Corvette, like, the 67-plus Corvette. They just had this fucking shape to it. You know, they just went ham.
Dude, that's a good observation. I've never really put two and two together on that. Because, yeah, the 50s stuff's so, like, civilized and, like, professional. And then it, yeah, definitely...
These guys got fucked up and they made some amazing art. And that's really what it is. And what you guys do is take that art and update it. That's what I love. I love, like, first of all, I love the craftsmanship and just the skill that you guys have.
And the engineering that's involved. And I just really, really appreciate all that goes into that. But it's also art. Like, you guys are making art with old art. You take these rusted, old, fucked-up cars.
Oh, yeah.
And you strip them all down. Put a completely new chassis. Put everything in, so it works like a modern car. And you get the best of both worlds. You get that look that those cars had was just magical.
Whatever they were... Whatever in the design element of those cars, it's just magical.
Dude, that's the key to those. Because everybody loves muscle cars. But, you know, people look at them like... You get some dude who's, like, 45, 50 years old, right? He made himself a bunch of cash.
And he says, that looks cool. I want to have it. He has no fucking idea that when he buys a 70 Cuda, it's a massive pile of shit to drive. Like a bone stock car. You have no idea.
Because you look at it, you think it's cool. It's fast. It was fast. It's not. It's got the iconic big motor and rumble.
My mom had a 1971 when I was growing up. That's when I became infatuated with Cudas. Really? Yeah, it was with a 340 automatic.
That's a crazy car for your mom to have. Your mom must have been pretty fucking cool.
She was pretty cool. But it was, like, the shape of that car just intoxicated me. Just as a kid. And I was always, like... Hers was, like, kind of boring looking.
It was kind of a copper bronze color. It was kind of boring. Stock. And I was like, man, one day. One day.
That was, like, the car in my head. Always was, like, 70, 71.. I like both of them. There's something about the 70 with the individual headlights. It just makes it a little...
It stands out. But that fucking grill in the 71 is pretty wild, too.
Yeah, I like the taillights on the 70, too. It's a good looking car, man. It's easy when you start with one of those. We've done a handful of Cudas. Because those cars are just good looking to begin with.
And you don't really have to touch the body on them. You know, you talk about, like, making art. That car is, like, art to begin with. Yeah.
Well, I think Dodge did the very best job of doing that retro version of the Challenger. They did. I think that all those cars that, to me, look a lot like an old... Yeah. Dope, modern car.
Like, you could see, driving that 15, 20 years from now. It would be cool.
Dude, they're very cool. My problem with them is we've always been around the muscle cars. So, you're used to the proportions of, like, I've had 70 Challengers. And you're used to those proportions. And when you see that car next to it, it's like...
I don't know. It's like the big dumb kid in gym class when you were a kid. It's just, like, a little overgrown. You know what I mean?
Why did they do that? Why did they make them bigger?
All the shit's so much bigger.
It's just the wheelbase, the platform, you know. All the safety requirements they have to have.
The HVAC system in a new modern car or whatever is as big as your entire dash interior of, like, that 70 Cuda. You pull out the HVAC system under the dash of one of those new ones. That's why, from the steering wheel all the way to the outside of the firewall, I mean, you're talking, like, three fucking feet. Really? It's just the amount of shit they pack into those new cars.
It's fucking nuts.
The horsepower and the performance is pretty mind-blowing on that stuff. Like, if you think, everybody raves about, like, the muscle car era. But if you stop and think, like, dude, you could go into the dealership right now and buy a thousand horsepower car. A car that runs nine second quarter miles.
Jamie just got a brand new Tesla Plaid.
And I don't know if you've driven one of those.
But, look, I love muscle cars. But that car makes every car feel stupid. That's what I've heard. Stupid. I mean stupid.
It goes zero to 60 in two seconds. It flies. It goes so fast. It's like it's time traveling. Like, it moves into positions that no other car can do it.
And somehow it does it silently. so you don't feel like a douche bag. Like, you're like... And getting in front of somebody, you just go...
And you're gone.
How wild is it, Jamie?
I mean, I barely drove it yesterday. I took it in the back and was just like, oh, my God, this is a little...
Okay, hold on.
I think it's 1,100 horsepower.
Is it controllable or does it just go by itself? It's dialed.
It's so dialed in. There's never wheelspin. I mean, when you take off, there's no wheelspin. It's all completely electronically managed. The base of the thing is all batteries.
So the weight is low. So it's got an amazing center of gravity. 1,020 horsepower.
Oh, back to your point.
1.9 seconds, zero to 60.. Bro, it's preposterous.
I know. It's tough when you talk about that, to, like, make the argument against electric cars. Because, dude, the performance is nuts.
I drove the fucking Cuda here today, though. I didn't drive the Tesla. It's a different experience. Like, I'm not trying to go. I'm not racing anybody.
I'm just going to work. You know, like, it's the feeling.
It's the auxiliary experience. Oh, my God. A little bit of vibration, the noise. You're connected to the car, right? You feel like you're the one operating the car.
There's a few things in life that people wish they had that are actually worth getting. And muscle cars are one of them.
100%.
There's just one.
Dude, modify muscle cars, though.
It's like what you guys do.
There's a lot of things that people wish they had. And when you have it, it's like. my first nice apartment that I ever had was in North Hollywood. When I first moved to California and I was on TV shows, I was like, wow, I got a nice apartment. This is crazy.
This is my own place. It had a loft. It had a pool table. And I was sitting in front of my TV, and I realized. I go, oh, this is just a house.
Like, it's just like every other house. It's the same feeling I had when I was in a shitty apartment. It's just your place. You go to your place. You chill.
It's the same feeling. So all that extra money you paid for these big, giant houses and all the crazy shit, you think you're going to get that same amount of juice from like, wow, what an amazing feeling being in this house. But it's just your house. You just have that same feeling. Oh, I'm in my house.
Oh, I'm opening my refrigerator. I'm going to have breakfast. It's the same feeling. It's not the same feeling with cars. When you are in one of the – I drive the Tesla to work.
It's quiet. It's great. I listen to books on tape. I'm cruising along. It makes no sound.
It's very relaxing and peaceful. But when I drive, like, the Camaro to work, it's like I'm in a fucking Doors video.
You know? It's like –.
It's a trip. I'm on a Disney ride. I'm in a Disney ride.
Are you jamming out to any music in there, or do you just listen to the motor?
I jammed out to music until I was halfway here, and I'm like, I didn't want to hear the music anymore. I just wanted to hear the engine. You know, there's both things. Like, I have a Porsche, a 1993 RS America. It's the rawest car I have.
It's not fast at all. It only has, like, 300 horsepower. It has no power steering. It has no air conditioning. It has no radio.
It has no nothing. And it weighs, like, you know, it's like, I don't know, 2,000-something pounds. It weighs nothing. And it's so fun. I'll bet.
It's so different than any other experience, and it's not the fastest. It's the slowest car I have, for sure. It's not that fast. But it's every mile per hour, everything you're fucking feeling in your ass and in your hands, and it's this raspy, air-cooled,
maaaaaaah, maaaaaaah.
You don't have to be going fast. It's just the feeling you're getting. You're on a ride.
It requires all of you. All of you. It's like a motorcycle.
You're connected. You're making everything happen. You're the one controlling it. There's no computers. There's no traction control.
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It's just like, and they say it's even more so if you get to like these 1970 ones. When they take, when they do, like. Chris Harris did that once. He took a 19,. I think it was a 1970 or 71 911T.
See, if you can find that video. It's like Chris Harris, my perfect sports car. And so he took this 911T and he brought it to this guy who makes race cars. And he had him fit it with a roll cage and, you know, ramp up the engine and tune the suspension. And there's a video of him driving around the British countryside in this green 1970s Porsche.
And it's fucking amazing. It's what everybody loves about driving. just in one video. This guy who's an automotive enthusiast, he can kind of get any car he wants. I mean, Chris Harris is like the premier auto journalist of our time.
And he chooses to have this one little tiny, lightweight, stripped down car that he has built. See, if you found it. Check this out. Give me some volume. I need volume.
That's not it. That's the Singer DLS. That's the nasty car too. The one below it. The one below it.
No, not Singer. Chris Harris 911.. Put, like, my perfect sports car. 911, my perfect sports car.
That era of 911, I mean, it's very similar to the muscle car vibe.
Yes. That's it right there. The second one down. Remember the green 911?? That one.
So this is a car that Chris, just, like, you know, had built over time.
Which is pretty cool.
Let it go right there.
Then we got completely carried away with the engine spec. And I stomped my feet like a child until Richard found a later G50 gearbox and altered the rear torsion tubes to make it fit. And the engine is 3.4 liters of hand-built sexiness. And it has about 320 horsepower. And the car weighs under 1,000 kilograms.
And when we drove it side-by-side with my then-new BMW M3, the Porsche was quicker. The chassis is probably the trickiest bit of all on this car. I didn't just want an RS replica, so we went for the look of an ST. Which, for those of you less geeky than me on the subject of old 911s, is a car from 1971 with wider arches than an RS and no ducktail spoiler. So we have eight and nine-inch wheels.
The nines are rare and stupidly expensive, but they do look the business. And that also means we have more mechanical grip and a wider track. And we needed some trick dampers to deal with that. The internals of the ones fitted to this car are very similar to the stuff fitted to Sebastien Loeb's.
That's what I'm talking about.
The joint is to dampers what Gordon Ramsey is to Rose Lamb. They cost a horrendous amount of money, but are well worth it.
Why do they sound so much smarter than we do?
That's why we use them for infomercials. Dummies buy things from people with British accents.
Way more eloquent.
ShamWow.
The ShamWow guy was American, though, right? He was a wild boy, right? Didn't he get bit, a hooker or something like that?
Is that what he did?
Biting a hooker.
I never would have guessed. He seemed like a straight shooter.
I think he did that ShamWow, got that ShamWow money and started doing ShamWow money things.
That's an American success story right there.
I think he's dead.
Is he dead?
The ShamWow guy alive? Really? Congratulations, sir.
Didn't the OxyClean guy have a coke problem and kill himself?
The OxyClean guy?
Billy Mays.
I'm still trying to get past the biting a hooker. Was that just the problem with the negotiation on the front end?
It depends on what drugs he's, on, what the hooker did. Who knows? Who knows what happened? I don't know the story. Very unfortunate for all involved.
But yeah, the Billy Mays guy, he was doing a lot of blowing. He had a heart attack or something, right? Is that what he died from, Jamie?
Not quite like that, but I don't want to get into it.
You don't want to get into it?
I'm friends with his son.
Oh, that's right. I'm sorry, Jamie.
Sorry for bringing that up.
Sorry, buddy. Anyway, who doesn't like to party? Look, James Gandolfini, one of my favorite actors of all time. That's how he went. Partied a little too hard.
Blew the ticker.
Leave it all on the field.
Not that it matters. That's one of my all-time favorite fucking shows.
Oh, my God. Gandolfini was the first guy that you rooted for. that was a murderer. He was the hero. He murdered Christopher Moltisanti in the Cadillac.
Spoiler alert. I mean, he was the first real, I think, on TV, the first real anti-hero. If you really think about it. Was there anybody before him? Jamie, can you think of anybody?
I'd be like 94, 95..
The Sopranos was later than that, I believe. Yeah, the early 2000s. I think it was early 2000s. I remember thinking when I was watching, okay, this is totally different than anything ever. Because they can do anything.
That intro, that score at the beginning, all that.
It was so annoying being Italian then, because everybody wanted to talk like they were in the mob. All the dumbest Italian guys on the East Coast, like, hey, that's our fucking thing, this is our thing. Shut your mouth. Everybody wanted to be on the mob. It's like people moving to Montana because they saw Yellowstone.
It's like the same shit.
It's enticing, man. Fuck, I watch it. I want to be a rancher. You got to do rancher stuff. You got to get up at fucking 3 in the morning and feed the cattle.
That's a real work.
You get into shootouts.
How are they getting into so many murders?
Blown up buildings, all kinds of cool shit.
You're in their shoulder deep in a fucking cow, trying to pull out the calf and doing all that shit.
I don't think people realize it's not just all about distress, like leather boots and cool jackets. There's some fucking work there.
Backbreaking work, yeah. There's this amazing scene where this old cowboy is talking to this young guy and he's saying, you're doing art for no audience. Like when you're out there. You're doing art for no audience. It's like, if you really love that, that is what it is.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. Yeah. We're doing it. We're plastering it all over Instagram and the Internet and YouTube and trying to get everybody to see it.
We're not doing art for an audience. It's interesting, though, because it is kind of what that is. There's something about cattle wrangling and all that stuff that somehow or another speaks to human beings, because I think we evolved doing that. I think tending to the land, and I think farmers have that sort of same feel too. There's something about that that's just natural with human beings.
There's a natural human reward system that's involved with cultivating your own food and being involved in a farm. that I think it just centers people in a very unusual way, because I think it's like your body is designed for a certain amount of that.
I think it's a good thing, even if it's glamorizing it in an unrealistic light, and it does make people go and say they sell their business and they go out there and they're going to become a rancher, and then they fail. But at least it is pushing some people to get back to that wilderness living. I think it's a good thing.
Most people aren't cut out for it. I know.
I'll bet there's a lot of people. Remember that movie with Pauly Shore? Was it Son-in-Law? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll bet there's so much of that going on out there in Montana.
Oh, yeah. Billings and shit like that. Well, there's something going on in Wyoming.
Jeffree Star, who's this famous YouTuber, who is like, are they transgender, or is he gay? He's very flamboyant, very fun, but he's involved in some dispute with his neighbor. He said his neighbor tried to kill him, run him off the road, and I don't know what the fuck is going on, but he's making Instagram videos about it. Can you imagine some rancher and Jeffree Star moves next door?
Have you seen it? Toad parties! He wouldn't exactly fit in.
But maybe he would. Maybe they're open-minded. I don't know what's going on, so I can't really comment.
You think he's going down to Tractor Supply and buying a couple bags of feed?
It'd be fun.
Some Carhartts.
Who knows? Yeah, Carhartts. I don't think so. I don't think he's right.
Running around the field with Lululemon on. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing, but it's like. RuPaul bought a fucking ranch, too. RuPaul bought some giant ranch in Wyoming.
Lives on a ranch.
How many people out there have been in that industry? They've been in Montana, they've been in Wyoming their whole lives, and they're making a fortune off of selling ranching supply. All this stuff that they say, for these people that come in, they've just moved. Like, I'm starting a ranch. What do I need?
I'm going to set you up. So what you're going to need is...
Ranch starter kits.
Can you imagine starting a ranch from scratch?
What?
What are you going to do? Do you know how to do this? Are you crazy? The chicken's going to die.
How many cows do I need?
Several.
A whole mess of them. That would actually be a fun reality show. Didn't Jeremy Clark do that? Did he do something like that? Didn't Jeremy Clark start a farm?
I believe he did. I think he did it for a television show. And the same kind of deal. Yeah, it's got to be all-encompassing. Like, you'd be exhausted.
Yeah, Clarkson's Farm. Yeah.
Episode 1 surviving.
Dude, it's all changing. Everything's changing in this country because they're moving. I mean, Austin's a good example.
It's Texas.
Yeah.
It's just badass. Fucking cowboy stuff. Now it's...
Well, Austin was always very blue. Austin's always been like this blue spot in a red state. And it's always been very progressive. And one of the funniest things that I've ever seen that's pretty accurate was a T-shirt that said, Keep Austin Weird and Surrounded. It's like, she needs the balance.
You need the balance. Because if you're in a place like San Francisco or L.A., there's no fucking balance. There's no Republicans on the outside. Even the progressives here are so much more reasonable than the progressives in L.A. because they encounter rational opposition to their ideas all the time.
And that stuff only works in urban environments. Progressive ideology and the policies they push with homelessness and crime and defunding the police, that shit only works. And it doesn't work. It doesn't work at all. But you can only get away with it in urban environments.
Of course.
In the country, no one's buying any of that. It's just like, people work too hard. It's like, if you want to get by, if you're fucking in a rural area, no one's interested in that nonsense yourself. Fuck, no. So the beautiful thing about Texas is, Austin.
is this, like, small city. There's only like a million plus people. Not that many, right? And then there's another million on the outside. And then outside of it is just Texas.
Outside of is Bucky's and fireworks.
Dude, that's what I'm talking about.
Gun stores. It's like, it's ranches. It's like, that keeps Austin balanced. Where they don't get too off the rails. They don't go to Portland.
I'm going to ask you about the homeless stuff. We were here, what, two years ago?
Yeah.
And it was really, really getting, it was height of, you know, pandemic stuff and all that. But, man, last night going around, it's way different.
Yeah, they cleaned it up. They did it in a very intelligent way. They acquired hotels and they bought buildings and housed people. And they have a bunch of different programs they do to try to help people get back on their feet. And they discourage camping.
They won't let people camp. You just can't camp under the bridges. They clean up your shit. They'll take you out of there. They'll let you know that there's resources available for you.
But the real problem in all these cases is mental illness. That's the real problem. Mental illness and drug addiction. And both of those things kind of go hand in hand. And a lot of those folks are, like, badly, badly addicted to drugs.
And they can't sustain themselves. And they can't support themselves. And I don't think encouraging them to just camp out everywhere, like they do in San Francisco. And they actually give them money for doing that. That doesn't help anybody.
It's not helping them. It's not helping your community. It's terrible. And everybody knows it.
You don't think that enabling them and giving them, like, needles and stuff like California does is beneficial?
I think they should give them everybody's money. All the money. If they were rich, they'd have no problems. Just give them all a million dollars. Come on.
I mean, all the money we're spending in Ukraine is only, like, 2,000 homeless people. They could afford that.
Dude, I don't know. I don't know if it kills your problems. Look at fucking ShamWowGuy, you know? Different problems.
Different problems.
Amplifies it, maybe.
Yeah, I mean, if you just gave them money, it wouldn't help. You. really, I don't know what to do. I mean, I think that, like, when a person is that fucked, when their mind is that fucked and they're that far gone in terms of life, they have no hope, and they're just covered in filth and they're living in a tent, it's like taking that person and rebuilding them is a massive project. It's probably going to take as much time to make them normal as it took for them to get that fucked up.
So you think about, like, childhood abuse, sexual abuse, violence, detention, juvenile system. They've gone through jail. They've gone through so many different things. They have no hope that life is eventually going to be awesome. When you wake up, you go to an awesome job.
You guys have a cool place. You work with cool people. You make awesome shit. That feels good. That's, like, a good feeling.
Oh, yeah. These guys never have good feelings unless they're getting high, and that's the scary thing. So, like, you, get them out of that, and then they're going to be depressed. They have nothing going on. They're 43 years old.
They've never had a job. Like, how do you fix that? But you don't fix it by just letting them camp out somewhere. I mean, I don't know what the solution is, because at a certain point in time, it's, like, it's so hard to turn people around, and they have to want to turn around. So, like, it has to be in them that they somehow or another want to do better, because some people don't want to do better.
They just want to stay high. You know, they're just like, I feel better when I'm high. I just rather stay high, and they just do heroin.
Just get caught in that rut.
You got a lot of huge megachurches out there that aren't doing nothing for them.
Yeah.
You got tens of thousands of people in arenas, and, I mean, they're not doing shit.
I don't think they can do anything.
But they're not doing anything.
They're not doing anything, but I don't think they can do anything. I don't know what you can do. Other than what they've done in Austin, but Austin is a small—like, I had the mayor on, Stephen Adler, and we talked about it. And one of the things that he said was, like, it's my goal, before I leave office, to put a handle on this homeless thing. If I don't do that, I've failed.
And I think he did it. But the thing that he said was, we can do it because we only have somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000 homeless people. He goes, Los Angeles is unmanageable. They have, like, 100,000 homeless people. When you get to that point, have you ever seen Skid Row in downtown L.A.?
Never in person.
It's insane. I saw it in person in the early 2000s, before the pandemic, and it was nuts. then. Like, I couldn't believe it. And it was engineered.
They used to take people when they would arrest them and dump them off on Skid Row. They'd take people and bring them there. Like, they literally set up these homeless shelters, and they set up these food banks, and they set up— And these people just live on the street. It's a zombie movie. It's so crazy when you go down there.
And when I— Have you seen this? What is this?
This is saying that there's up to 10,000 people now homeless in Austin.
10,000?.
Yeah, 1% of the population. What? That's according to the city of Austin's own count.
Holy shit. Is this new?
Yeah. I mean, they moved them out of the downtown area and under the bridges, and they all live out in the parks now, apparently.
Oh, in, like, state parks?
Not even state parks. Like, city of the city parks. This is Zilker Park, I think. What? Yeah.
Wow.
That's crazy, man. I didn't know that. So they just got it out of view? Is that what they did? Yeah, I believe.
so. So what it is is, like, there's different people that have to patrol, that? It might be different than the cops that are patrolling people on the streets?
168 different camps across the city.
Wow.
Wow.
Often hidden from public view in the woods.
For sure.
Dude, it's kind of like, you know, sweeping the floor.
Okay, take everything I said back.
Under the rug there a little bit.
They just got it off the streets.
Just blew the lid off of that one.
They just got it off the streets, and now there's campments.
Back when your mom said, clean the room. Oh, yeah. I did a great job.
Yeah, right under the rug. All under the bed.
So are those all marks on the map that are homeless encampments?
Yeah, as of, uh, published February 26.. I think it's as of June.
And so they think there's 10,000 people? Is this, like, some New York Post exaggeration?
I don't know.
But that's what the Austin City thinks?
Yeah, City of Austin.
What do we know about homelessness in Austin? Wow. So if that's the case, then when the mayor was on, which was a couple of years ago, the number's gone up by 8,000 people?
There's another crazy story. I was looking while you guys were talking, that Mayfair Hotel in L.A. Yeah. Remember, that's come up in a bunch of documentaries and all that stuff? They just paid, the city paid $11.5 million in damages because they used that and what they called Project Roomkey, which got a bunch of people off the street into housing.
But immediately, drug use, damages in the hallways, violence, all sorts of stuff. Now the city wants to buy that building for, like, 83 million.
Oh, wow. And do what? House homeless people and just let it stay being a shithole?
You're telling me they gave them a free room and they destroyed it.
Yeah. They're a little, you know, self-destructive. They're not in the best state of mind.
Yeah. I don't know how we got on that subject. Yeah.
You said something about Buc-ee's. Have you seen the Buc-ee's? They're making a shit. No, they're building one in Mexico, but it's not a Buc-ee's.
It's a knock-off?
Yeah, they got them cease and desist and all that shit, and they're still building it.
Did you see what they did with In-N-Out? Uh-uh. In Mexico, they have, it's not In-N-Out, it's like In-Nee-Out, something like that. Just tweak it a little bit. It's the same logo, it's the same look.
Yeah, so it's not called In-N-Out. What is it called?
There you go. So this is, this is in Cuyacán, Mexico. In-I-N-Out. In-I-N-Out. It looks exactly like In-N-Out.
When you go there, the burgers are all the same, the trays are the same, animal style, the whole thing's the same. They just stole the menu, they stole the way it looks, and they barely changed the name.
Gotta applaud their effort there.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like they're making Ferraris. It's a fucking cheeseburger, you know? You can make a cheeseburger exactly like that cheeseburger.
Yeah, but you could also come up with your own name.
Or you could just say, fuck you, I live in Mexico.
Ride the coattails.
Yeah, what they could do is just eventually change the name. Oh, Buc-Tooth, Super Mercado. Look, they got the fucking gopher on it and everything. Same as the Buc-ee's guy.
It's not quite as big as the Texas version.
Yeah, it's a little downsized.
Buc-ee's is an impressive establishment, though.
It's a Walmart. You go in there, you're like, what is this? This is insane. Is that a gas station?
You'd go broke at the beef jerky bar. You'd go to the beef jerky buffet.
Yeah, it's preposterous.
I mean, you gotta try a little bit of everything.
Yeah, it's a ridiculous place. It's so Texas. That's why I talk about it on stage, because it's so fucking Texas. It's so ridiculous.
Speaking of on stage, fucking last night, dude, thank you. It was phenomenal.
Thank you. Glad you guys had a good time.
Phenomenal time.
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