#2123 - Gary Clark Jr.

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Yeah, it would be a relief if I got a chance to chill out. I just kind of mixed it, mastered it, mastered it again. It took a little while. I was supposed to go on vacation. I was going to take a trip and go chill out and think about it.

Those breaks are important, right? Those just vacation breaks, just shut your brain off breaks.

Yeah, I really wanted that one.

I really, really wanted it.

I needed it. I just wanted to go, be by myself. Just camp out in the woods by myself. Oh, really? Yeah, just be completely solo.

Sometimes you've got to force the plan and all those other people. Yeah, absolutely. You have a lot of people to make happy.

Absolutely, but I'm also excited to do it. Sometimes, if I get too comfortable, I get comfortable just being comfortable. Right, and then nothing gets made. Yeah, I kind of like to get out there, get the nerves going, blood going a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's a little bit of a vacation from the creative process of making it, right? Because the process of making it, you were, I know, you were locked up.

Yeah.

You lock yourself up. You do it. When you do it, you go all in.

Well, I think I still care about this shit. You can tell. I really care.

If there's anything that I've ever learned, it's that you do what you like to do. It doesn't matter what the trend of the business is. Just fucking, do what you like to do. You like albums, make a fucking album.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. And so, yeah, that's what I did. I mean, I was locked in. A lot of it was by choice, too, you know?

Yeah.

You know? So that's what I did, kind of to a fault. My wife was like, you've got to get out of there.

But the end is beautiful.

Thanks, dude.

The end result is beautiful.

Thank you.

There's so many layers to the music, man. I got it last night. They sent me a link, but then the link needed a passcode, and I couldn't get a passcode. And then last night, they sent me the link. So while I was writing last night, when I came from the store, I listened to the whole album.

Awesome.

Man, there's so many. The music, the sounds, like right off the bat, there's so many layers.

Yeah.

It's like, you know, it's very—you could tell there's so much thought into it.

There's a lot of smoke in the air. Yeah. A lot of mezcal. A lot of vino flowing. Yeah, it was just—and there was nobody saying—you know, usually, for me, people expect a certain thing, you know?

To me, that is so crazy that anybody is around you that gives you that kind of advice.

Well, it's folks that are in the business. And, you know, I guess people—I've been told that I'm not—I'm a hard act to put on a shelf. You don't know where to put me. So they don't know how to market or sell. This confused kid who plays power chords and listens to Nirvana, who also loves Snoop Dogg and Dr.

You're Gary Clark Jr.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's it. Exactly, exactly. But it's a weird time, you know? Like, just people want to be able to call you something.

Mm-hmm.

Like, unapologetically. Stevie Wonder. Yeah. You know, that's also why I like hanging out with you motherfuckers, because y'all just be trying shit. You know where the wall is when you hit that motherfucker and go, oh!

Well, the thing about our thing is we have to do it in front of people.

Yeah, right.

So it's me, stoned, in front of a computer, going, oh, this is so crazy. Write shit out, put it on my phone, and then going, all right, let's see. Let's see what other people—see how it comes to life. But you can create all kinds of magic alone. That's a different thing.

Well, I might think it's magic, and you never know.

I think it's magic.

Until the thing drops. So we'll see what happens. But, yeah, I feel good about it. Thanks for listening, man.

Oh, my pleasure. I appreciate it. You know I'm a fan, dude. I Don't Know Your Thing kicks off our fucking night almost every night at the Mothership.

Woo!

We get in that green room. We get in that green room, we want to get things popping. That's—I Don't Know Your Thing is a fucking—that's a work of art. That's a classic.

This is kind of a rude—.

It's awesome. Fuck y'all, I'm here.

Yeah. But congrats on one year, man.

Thank you.

One year.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's awesome.

Flew by. Yeah. Feels like we just opened.

Y'all been doing it, man. Word on the street. Y'all are taking over. It's game-changing.

It's fun. For real. We got so many guys moved here now.

Oh, I know. They're my neighbors now. Way out in the country.

Well, that's the smart way to live, man. I tell everybody. I go, attack it from the outside. Like Tony Hinchcliffe, he likes living in the city. I'm like, that's great.

Yeah.

You know, those are like the things that I would think about. I'd like just that quiet. Just quiet. And then get into the crazy. And then get back to the quiet.

It's a choice. Yeah.

The way you're doing. it is perfect. Live in the country. Just relax. When you get outside and drink a cup of coffee on your porch, man, you're just chilling.

I've become such a fucking nerd, bro.

You have Mexican eagles in your backyard?

I'm just sitting out there with a crazy zoom lens. I'm just quiet, stalking them.

So you got one of those big, crazy nature lenses?

I'm that guy. Oh, wow. I think I might quit music and try and get a gig doing that. Really? I'd get off doing that.

Wow, what a cool looking bird.

Yeah, man. He's got a two pair or something on. Yeah, yeah.

Crested caraca.

Yeah, yeah.

Is that how you say it?

Caracara?

Caracara.

Caraca.

Caracara?

Mexican eagle. What a fucking beautiful animal. Yeah, yeah. You have those in your yard?

Yeah, there's a family of like three of them. They swoop down and hang out all the time.

I had a hawk try to sweep in on my chickens the other day. The chickens in the backyard, and all of a sudden the chickens start going, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Flopping their wings and running around. I look at them and it's this hawk circling.

You got to watch out for those motherfuckers. I saw a hawk swoop up a kid and I didn't think about that when I moved down to the, this is on video or something. I don't know if this was fake.

It's probably an eagle.

Yeah. Yeah, but I was like, I didn't even think about having to look out for that in the country, because the hawk came down and swooped up or swooped down and got one of my chickens right in front of my boy. He was like five at the time. He's like, what is that? I was like, woo.

That's how it goes down in the real world.

Exactly.

Not this weird thing that we've constructed to insulate ourselves from it.

And think that we're the most powerful. I mean, when you sit out there and you see a hawk swoop down and grab another, you know, sizable animal and just take off with it. You're like, okay, you know, okay. You know, it's not that safe. I mean, I walk around out there on my property and there's been a couple of times where I've almost stepped on a rattlesnake.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

Fishing line?

She was all excited. Daddy, I got a snake. I was like, yo.

Right, right.

You know, reeling in Godmouse. Wow. Like nothing.

Yeah. I didn't know. they bought on the line like that. Like, they'll attack bait?

I didn't know that either.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, come, get some of that. if you want to step out of the city, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

I love it, though.

Yeah, I do too. I love getting into the madness. You know, I don't want to hate on it. I mean, I love wandering in. I love wandering around downtown with the camera, popping into certain spots.

Well, it's a good balance of different things. And if you want to go see like live, shit, like this town is so good for that, man. There's so much live performance going on. There's so much comedy. There's so much music.

Yeah, it's great. I like seeing the musicians watching the comics and the comics watching the musicians. I like that. I love watching music because I have no talent.

I love watching a thing where I have no talent in. I've never played anything, so I watch and I'm just like, you're doing magic up there. Like, look at these guys doing magic.

I brought a guitar for you, and at least we're going to teach you how to play an E chord before I get out of here.

Okay, I'll try. Yeah? I'll try it. I've never even tried it.

Well, that's the problem.

Is that the problem? No, the problem is, here's the problem.

Okay.

I know my brain.

Oh.

And I have a dangerous brain. I can't, my brain can't get interested in things, because then it's all in. And then it's like, fuck eating. Let's do this all day. So I've learned through all my years how to keep that wolf in a cage and not to let it out.

Obsessed.

Wow. Obsessed with his club speed. He's got a fucking killer drive too.

You like set up to the whole sensor thing, and. I don't have all that yet. It's coming. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've watched it get you, though. That's what's interesting. Like when we first met, you were not into golf. Like how many years ago did you get into golf?

When we got here.

When we got to Austin. Yeah, yeah. So four years ago. So in four years, he's become a stone cold junkie. Gotcha.

I also call a lot of people that, whatever the pandemic did, the golf bug went around. It was the only thing you could do then. That's not what I was playing. Right. But yeah.

It seems to me like it's one of those things that once you do it and you do it and you start getting better at it, you just fucking love it. And then everybody becomes an addict. I know very few people who dabble in golf. You know, a lot of people, they'll play pool a little bit here and then, but they don't get like fully addicted. Golf.

I don't get that. I'm scared of that too. I get that now. You know, understanding your own brain. I don't gamble.

Yeah. Yeah. You are, you are, whatever the fuck you want to be.

I'm obsessed.

Yeah. I don't like people telling you what to do. That drives me nuts. When I hear people are telling you what to do and tell about giving you advice on music, just shut the fuck up. Everybody.

Well, yeah. Right. I did it. You sell it. But you know, the thing is, is that it's, it's, it's not people telling me what to do.

Right.

So I'm translating it as people tell me what to do. That is what it is, though. Suggestions.

It's as much as they can do, as much as they can tell Gary Clark Jr. how to make music, they're going to give it a shot. Well, you know, you know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just annoying. Existing comedy too.

I was in a conversation the other day in New York talking about a set list. You should put this in this order. Do this. And I was like, you know what? Y'all talk about it.

Shut the fuck up. Telling you how to do a set list.

Oh, it's funny. It's a funky, it's a funky business. You know,

they're all like that, Gary.

Yeah.

They're all like that. TV was like that. When I was on news radio, it was maddening, because here you have this guy, Paul Sims, this brilliant writer from the Larry Sanders show. All these amazing cast members. It's incredible writing staff.

Stay out of this. Yeah.

But they can't help themselves. Yeah. And you have to listen to them, because they're the executives. They're the people that have the money. Right.

And you love doing the art. Exactly. You know?

So it's this weird relationship. Mm-hmm. You know, that's one of the best things about comedy is you don't really have that relationship with anybody anymore. We used to have it with TV, but now it's all gone.

Yeah. You guys can do whatever you want. Yeah. I was telling a couple of guys, when I show up to the comedy spot, you know, you guys are nice enough to give me free drinks. And so I take advantage.

It's fun, especially at that place. Because that place is, you know, made for us, by us.

Yeah, sure.

It's all ours. We're the only ones who own it. It's amazing. Nobody owns it, but us. It's like everybody else has to listen to us.

Yeah.

So the rules are now, like I go in the green room, well, what do you guys think? And everybody just starts giving out opinions. I think this, I think that. I'm like, okay, we'll do it that way. That's cool.

That's amazing.

So because of that, I would be able to just have it like a real safe haven. It really is like a mothership. Yeah. Because everybody there goes and travels and does the road, but they come back home to home base. Yeah.

That's how you build a community.

Yeah.

That's a prime example.

Yeah. And it's just like everybody who comes here is looking for that too. And so then, when they get it and they realize, oh, this is real. Yeah. Like this is real.

It really is. It's just people who just love the shit.

Yeah. It's just fans, just comedy fans, who just have all kinds of different jobs, all kinds of different things they do with their life. And they just want to come out and have a good time.

It's awesome.

Yeah. And it's just, it's magical.

It's very cool.

That's, for me, the absolute best thing that came out of the pandemic. Number one, moving here. Number two, being able to set that place up.

Yeah. Well, I mean, as a fan, I think that's one of the best things that come out of the pandemic too. So here's cheers to you, man. Thank you. One year.

Thank you, sir.

Yes, indeed.

Yeah. It's exciting. We thought about doing one somewhere else, but I was like, you know what we really should do when we should do one for like the summer in Montana? Just find some fucked up town in Montana, have people fly into it, just do a mothership in Montana.

Montana would be amazing. I love Montana.

Montana's amazing.

Montana would, yeah, that would blow up, dude.

Yeah. Tony's like, don't fucking do it. Don't go to, I'm not going to Montana. I'm like, come on. And Duncan was like, I'll get a house in Montana.

Let's go.

Montana's beautiful. Duncan's, thinking about doing mushrooms in the fields, staring at the stars.

I'm with Duncan on that. I'm with that a hundred percent. So yeah, that'd be cool. You thinking about expanding?

Possibly. Just, that was the only thought. Like just buy some land in Montana, some weird town, Montana, just put a mothership up.

Drop the mothership in the middle there.

See who comes.

It'd get interesting, man. Montana's, it's got some funky, cool folks out there.

It does. But you also have a lot of people that travel. That's what's interesting too. That's one of the things we found out about this spot. It's not just like people in Austin that are coming to these shows.

It's become a destination.

Yeah. It's about us. Yeah, if you could do that to a small, funky town in Montana, if you only have like 120 seats, you could get a lot done.

Make it better. Yeah. Huh. Well, I'll be there. I'll be out there trying to learn how to fly fish.

Fly fish is kind of fucked up because they let those fish go most of the time.

Which is a little weird. The hippie in me gets that.

I get that too. But the hippie in me says, well, why catch them? then? The hippie in me is like, well, you're just fucking with these fish. Yeah.

Yeah. That wild feel. I'm guilty. I'm guilty.

Me too. I've done it. I've done catch and release. Especially bass fishing. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I got a little spot out of my house and we catch and release every now and then. We'll fillet them up, catfish or whatever, fry them up, stuff like that. But for the most part, it's just hang with my kids and learn how to, you know, be patient. Kind of teach them how to just chill out.

I know. When is a fish going to bite?

Yeah.

When is a fish going to bite?

When you shut the fuck up. Yeah. Chill out. You know. But yeah.

Yeah. That's the thing is like when people say that they get bored, I'm like, how can you be bored? There's so many things to do. There's so many things to do in this life.

Absolutely.

There's so many things to get interested in. You know, how can you be bored? To me, it's like, my problem is the total opposite. I just can't have more things that I'm interested in.

Yeah. I like.

Yeah.

You know, just weird shit.

Well, it's something about learning a new thing that excites a part of your mind that doesn't get excited any other way.

Sure.

Because once you already know how to do something, then you're just kind of practicing that thing that you already do and you're very comfortable with it. It's a normal thing that you do. But when there's a new thing, it's like, what? How does this work? What's this lens?

shit. Yeah,

right. And they're like, okay, what is the aperture? What does that mean? Like, what's exposure time? How much, what is it?

Yeah.

But there's so many layers to that, too. Like, there's people that, like my friend John Dudley, I'll talk to him about that. I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about. Right. He's talking about torque lean, and, you know, torque setting bows and like, what?

I've got a, my brother-in-law is really into bow. I think I hit you up. And I was, when I was over there in Australia, he was like, hit up Joe and ask him what kind of bow he's using. Yeah. But yeah, he's really into that.

Really? Yeah.

My mom, my mom, I'm gonna put you, I'm gonna put you out there. My mom doesn't mind being in a smoky room. She started playing drums and she's into archery now. So. Wow.

Playing drums and shooting bows and arrows. Fuck yeah.

Yeah, it's really badass.

That's badass. Wow. Yeah, archery is an addictive thing too, because at the moment when you're aiming at the target and you're at full draw, it's impossible to think of anything else. It requires so much concentration that the world goes away, and you have this like, insanely narrow focus. The insanely narrow focus is the place where you want that arrow to go.

Yeah.

My only time to think about other bullshit is while I'm walking over to the target and get my arrows.

Yeah, yeah.

Pulling the arrows out and then back to what I was doing.

Start sprinting to that motherfucker.

Yeah. If I could just keep firing to our... Never have to go, get the arrows. Yeah. There would be no thinking at all.

I get that. I can kind of relate that to playing guitar. in a way. You can't... In order to...

Yeah.

You know? And you know which shots are better than the others. You know which chords are played stronger than the others. You know which notes are going to sting. You know what I mean?

I think that's a lot of things in life. I think there's a lot of things in life that people gravitate towards, because I think there's a great value in having a thing that takes the rest of the world away. That thing could be golf. Look at this for Jamie. It could be anything.

I think so. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My name would have been... I would have had a lot longer rap sheet if I hadn't found guitar at a young age, I think.

So many people out there. Yeah, if I hadn't found martial arts,

God damn.

I have no idea what would have happened to me. It was the only thing that I had ever done that made me feel like I wasn't a loser. I was like, all of a sudden, I found a thing that I know that I can do. And if I just go all in. So that's why I have this problem with getting addicted to things.

Did you have a good experience off the bat? Did you notice that you were a winner immediately?

Not immediately, but pretty quickly.

I had an aptitude for it.

I understood it. I understood distance. I understood how to hit things hard. And then it was the exciting thing about it. There's moving targets.

Yeah, that's why I haven't signed up yet.

It's worth doing it just for fun, though. Sure. And that's another thing. When you're doing that, if you're sparring or if you're doing jiu-jitsu training, you're not thinking about anything else. You cannot think about anything else.

Yeah, that makes sense. Man, I wish I had grown into my body while playing basketball, because I'm 6'4 and a whole waste of space. I have no skills. I have a 15-foot jumper that I'm pretty confident in, but I have no handles. I'm like, you know, it's a waste.

40-year-old reality. Yeah, man.

Like, damn. I didn't – yeah, that wasn't my forte. But, hey, you can't be everything.

No, you cannot be everything. You'll be nothing.

I agree.

Yeah, it's not. You got to pick lanes. Sure. You can have a couple lanes, but you can't have too many. And each lane will take away from the resources that that other lane has available.

I agree. I agree.

People, though, don't have to do that, don't understand it. Like, sometimes people come to me with, like, business stuff, and I'm like, this is not – I can't talk right now. Yeah. I've got shit going on.

Sure.

I'm busy. Yeah. Let's talk about this when it's absolutely necessary and never a minute before. That part.

Yeah, say it again loud for the ones that didn't have the volume up.

Yeah, eventually we could talk about this, but not now.

Seriously, man.

They'll try to talk to you about important shit right before a show. This is so crazy that you're doing this. Like, you don't even understand what you're doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Really. Yeah, that's one of my biggest issues with doing shows, and there's, like, some sort of, you know, business element involved. Because, you know, when you're out just on the road with your touring crew or whatever, there's not those conversations.

And they're just selfish.

Yeah.

You're a captive audience.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, man, get the fuck up.

I finally got you alone. I want to talk to you about this cryptocurrency. Yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thanks.

It is kind of weird. It's just, you know. Well, it's all these different personalities who are interacting with each other. You know, you have the creative personality and you have all the business people and the people that are support team. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's north and north.

Yeah. That's why people get real suspicious. if an artist gets real business oriented. Starts opening up a bunch of businesses and gets all business-y. People are like, oh, what are you doing?

Yeah, right? Yeah.

That's what I like about you, dummy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I like about you. I like that. you don't know anything.

I like that. you're out there just being wild. Yeah. Have a good fucking time. Have a bunch of people that do that.

That's the scary part. When they start saying, don't worry about that. Just be an artist. I'm like, nah, motherfucker. I'm going to be at your office tomorrow, early in the morning.

Yeah, well, that's true. That's a story as old as time. Artists have been ripped off. Yeah. They didn't even know they were getting ripped off.

Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely true.

The worst one is when someone has a legit manager, and then their friend is like, bro, I could be your fucking manager.

Yeah, absolutely.

And so many guys go that way. You know, Mike's managing me now.

I got a new manager.

That's my wife. My wife's managing me. I'm like, what? What are you doing? Get a professional.

Absolutely, man. All that, bro, shit, you know, that, you know, things start to get funny. Yeah. That relationship starts to get funny. But yeah.

That's how dudes develop entourages. That's a wild one.

Man, speaking of entourages, I had to just tell my dad is going crazy.

Oh, no.

I love my pops, but, I mean, he shows up to my shows, and this dude all of a sudden is sitting courtside at Spurs games. He shows up to my shows with, like, 30 folks, 30 deep. He's got a table at the Moody Theater. He's living his best life. He's just squatted up around town.

That's awesome.

Yeah, that's good. He's having a good time.

Just having fun.

Yeah, enjoying it. Yeah. You know, he's definitely enjoying having a kid who's known around town.

Yeah.

That's good.

Oh, man, he must be so proud.

Yeah, he's getting a little bit ridiculous.

Entourage.

Hitting me up. Hey, man, can you get me into this spot? How many people you got? Oh, just a couple.

When Dave Rolls, when Dave Chappelle came to the mothership, he came with three SUVs.

Where did they come from? How do you fit anywhere?

Oh, man, he's got family. He's got friends. He's got fellow comedians, musicians. Like, he just travels with people. He loves it.

I get that. Yeah. I understand that.

He has it managed well. He has good people with him. He knows what he's doing. But it's like the way he's got it set up is pretty fun. It's all just.

Yeah, I was around for that. I was around. Yeah, we actually, yeah. Yeah, I was definitely around for some of those fun times. It's good hanging with that crew.

Yeah, that's a dude, that's an entourage. Yeah. That's an entourage.

I get that.

Yeah.

I get that. But, yeah, I could never be that guy. I like to roll solo. I like to just kind of be on my own. I can make my own decisions.

No, it's probably smart, because it gives you time to think. I think the problem with Dave is he's so famous he can't be alone.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He can't just show up somewhere. All of a sudden. he won't be alone. There will be a giant crowd of people. Oh, my gosh, Dave Chappelle.

Absolutely. I can't believe. you're real. I get that.

Bro, can I take a picture with you?

I get the every now and then dude who plays guitar. It's like, man, I've been watching you since I was a kid. Or the really drunk older lady who wants to kiss on me while I'm hanging out waiting for some to-go food or whatever. That's kind of my interaction.

That's good. That's a good level of interaction. Yes. At a certain level, like a Dave Chappelle level, I think it becomes unmanageable. I was having a conversation with Cat Williams about that.

Yeah.

You got too famous.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He has to have an entourage.

Yeah, I mean, I get that. I get that. That's a perspective that I don't know anything about. Yeah. I'm just speaking from a dude, a small community of music.

It's perfect.

Yeah. It's pretty good. The way you ask, perfect. I know. It's good.

At the same time.

Right, exactly. I think I've kind of fucked myself. I was like, I should have gone like the Gorillaz route or like Daft Punk or something like that, where you're in a mask. You know what I mean? You could just show up anywhere.

That's true, right? Gorillaz can just hide. KISS had that forever.

Sure.

I remember when KISS took their makeup off. Everybody was like.

What year was that?

Like the 80s, I think.

Yeah.

I think it was the 80s. It was KISS unmasked.

I couldn't imagine.

Oh, my God. They used to be able to go around town. So they would go out and they would like, I remember Gene Simmons was dating Cher. And he would go out, but he put a bandana on, like during COVID times.

Oh, right.

Yeah. We almost got a picture of him. So it was like half blurry pictures of someone's side of their face with their hand up. That's all you got of KISS forever.

That's cool. I kind of miss those days of that mystique.

Comic for it.

Is that really great?

Yeah. See how he's wearing the bandana? That's how he used to go around town. He used to wear a bandana. You know how ridiculous that is?

Oh, damn.

They didn't get the love they deserved because people had already thought it was corny to have makeup on. for some reason. They didn't have real hit records. Their songs didn't play on the radio that much. If they played on the radio, it was rare.

You don't think so? Well, I kind of grew up KISS being a household name already.

Yeah, well, they were huge. They sold millions of records. They sold out arenas, but they weren't getting love on the radio. It was just fans. And there was a thing that people would be embarrassed to be a KISS fan.

That doesn't even seem like a thing now at all.

Now it's not. But you have to realize in the 1980s, it was a thing. Right. Yeah, people would mock you if you're in KISS.

Damn.

And then they became cool again. They became cool again somewhere in the 90s, when they started going on tour, again with makeup.

Right.

So they were going to do like one last final tour, they decided, but that was bullshit. They just kept going.

Everyone does a last tour. So last, last, last, last.

That's those marketing guys. I'll tell you what, Gary. Yeah. This is your final tour. This is what we're going to say.

Yeah, we're going to melt the shit out of it.

People are going to love it. to go see the last time. Gary's going to become a photographer.

We're going to have to respect his wishes.

But this is his last tour. Gary, don't quit. Don't go into pictures.

Don't go.

But it's just. So. KISS came back in the 90s, and I went to see them with Kevin James. Me and Kevin James went to KISS. when they came back.

Was that in Hollywood?

I think it was. I think it was in L.A. I think we saw them in L.A. It was incredible. It was incredible.

Man, those guys really turned rock and roll into entertainment. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was every single aspect of the show, from the costumes to the pyro, the timing, the crazy antics to just, I mean, and then selling it.

They had a one-hour-long TV show. I don't know. Where it was like a movie, like a made-for-TV movie. It was KISS and the Phantom of the Park.

I don't know.

And in the middle of it, like three-quarters of the way into the show, the fucking power went on. at my house. I was like, no.

How long were you waiting for this thing?

Well, when you were a KISS fan, first of all, you had to find out from the newspaper. How did you even know? Or you had to read the TV guide. What? KISS has got a movie?

So they're out here whooping ass? Fighting crime or what?

They were superheroes. They became superheroes for a while.

I did not know this. They are serious.

And they've got guns. This is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous. Oh, it was so ridiculous. It was one of the dumbest movies that's ever been made.

My favorite shit to watch is the dumbest shit.

This is so dumb, it might have been made by the Chinese. They might have done it to subvert American institutions. They might have done it to try to ruin young minds. And just lower the standards of what is acceptable to the point where they can invade.

I mean, that's a power move, for sure.

That's what they're doing right now.

That's a power move.

That's what they're doing right now with TikTok.

Man.

I firmly believe that. Russia and China are just fucking us sideways.

I'll tell you right now, man. I've been having conversations about music and sharing music. The way to be young. It's TikTok. It's the way to get everybody to this crazy, fucked up, weird place.

Well, it's something that people are not designed to manage. They don't know how to manage it. They don't know what that experience is. It's new to the human anatomy. To have something that you're staring at.

Yeah, absolutely. I've noticed that it changed me when we were sitting down for a little while. Because I was just in my phone. That was the only way that I was getting information. I wasn't hanging out with people.

It changes your anxiety levels.

That's what I realized. It changed my anxiety levels. I was not sleeping. I was drinking a lot more than I normally would. Just because I was overthinking shit.

That was COVID, too. The isolation. I'm not saying that this is what they did. But if you wanted to do that. If you wanted to turn a population into a bunch of cowards.

I know.

Right back to Google.

I know.