JRE MMA Show #142 with Matt Serra, Din Thomas & John Rallo
2023-07-05 03:15:55
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We're up, we're up. Boys, what's happening? What a beautiful moment to get you guys together in a room.
This is awesome.
This is badass.
This is fucking awesome. I've known all you guys for fucking ever. I've known you the longest. I've known you for at least 20 years.
2001,, I believe. Wow.
I remember you were sleeping in your dojo. He had a bucket, like a thing to piss in. Because he drank so much water, so he had his jug next to his bed. He's like, I'm tired, I don't want to get up.
I don't want to get up and go to the bathroom.
I gotta piss.
I just piss right there and go back to sleep.
I lived in my first storefront academy in East Meadow, my hometown, and Joe and Eddie Bravo were in town. for some reason. I think you were doing a gig or something.
Yeah, I was doing a gig, and you came and picked us up.
Really?
Yeah, we took the train, and he picked us up at the train station, took us to his academy. It was awesome.
Yeah, the Hicksville train station. It was literally, not to make everybody feel old, it was 21 years ago. I was 28.. You know why I remember? Because I was going to fight BJ Penn at Mohegan Sun.
So I'm like, are you going? You're like, oh, I got this gig. And you came, you trained at my place, and I showed you the basement. I'll never forget what you said to me down there. And I think I said it the last time I was here.
I go, yo, man, this is where I sleep. This is where I stay. And you looked at it, and you go, dude, you live like a fucking Spartan.
Yeah.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
Well, you were living that life. I mean, and I think that's what you have to do to be elite at MMA when you're starting out, especially back then. You had to be all in. All in. All in.
And you're a coach of high-level people. You could speak to this.
Yeah, but, I mean, I've also lived that life too. Back in 2001,. I mean, I fought BJ in 2001.. So, I mean, I know what it's like to live in the car. I still do it sometimes now.
Do you sleep in your car?
Sometimes.
Just for old time's sake?
I'll be on the road. so much, man, that sometimes I don't even know where I'm going.
Wow.
I'll be on the road so much, I'm like, God.
Dean Thomas got a lot of jobs these days.
Yeah.
You know what it was? I remember talking to you, and you said, man, I work a lot because I know what it's like to be poor.
Yeah.
So, like, that's why I work.
Yeah, I stay ahead. I don't ever want to think about money. I don't think about money, but the way to not think about money is to make enough, so you don't have to think about it.
Exactly.
And I met you around the same time, because I met you and Eddie as well through jujitsu.
Yes.
You guys were on the underground back in the day.
And we were trying to find a place to watch the fights.
In Baltimore.
Yeah, I had a gig. Yep. So, Eddie went to your place. Was it Pride?
Yeah, we went. Was it Pride or was it the UFC? It was UFC. He actually fought, because I remember you saying, because we both thought he beat BJ, even though you didn't get the decision. And you were at the Improv, I believe, in Baltimore at the time.
Oh, wow.
And then we hit, like, ESPN Zone for dinner. Yeah. And I've got to be friends with you guys ever since.
Yeah, Roll and I have had some fun on the road, man. We've been to a lot of gigs together. Absolutely. Yeah. It's just, like, those friendships that you make in the early days, they're kind of special.
Because, like, we were there, you know, when the UFC in 2001 was a different thing, man.
Completely.
Different animal.
It was so fringe.
Yeah.
And you always felt like, I just, personally, I always felt like it was going to be over any second. Yeah. I remember being like, all right, look, I'll take this next fight at this price, because this is going to be fucking down. It's going to end soon. And I'll tell my kids that one time I fought in a cage.
It used to be this sport where we fought in a cage. It looked like the end was coming at any moment. It really did. Before that, the fight with Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner.
You know what's really crazy? Eddie Bravo and I used to have this conversation. We would be like, because I met Eddie in, like, 1998.. I met him at, I think I either met him at John Jocks, but I saw him at John Jocks. He was there with Ricky Rocket.
Like, Ricky Rocket from Poison is a legit black belt under John Jock Machado.
No kidding.
Ricky Rocket, he's real. He trained. I heard that. Undercover. You know what I mean?
Just a regular dude. Goes into classes. Legit. Like, real guy. So, anyway, Eddie was there with him as a spectator.
And, like, this is, like, 1998.. And we would say, you know what this sport needs? Some crazy billionaires. To just invest all this money in it. Because we know how exciting it is.
But the world didn't know. This is, you know, this is 98.. This is, like, Dan Henderson's first fight. Carlos Newton. I remember.
Back in those days. Remember Carlos Newton? A lot of people forgot how good that fucking dude was.
I still talk to him. Because he's on the commission, the committee that the ABC commission has for fighters. And I'm on that commission with Carlos Newton.
Nice.
He's a beast.
What is he doing now?
Like, real estate or construction or something?
He's doing okay.
Yeah, he's alive.
I like when I see guys make it through. okay. Because, I mean, now I talk about this with Dean a lot. When we're on the road with Dana doing the show. I go, I've got survivor's guilt.
I'm like, look, I don't fucking. There's a lot of guys now that the sport's, like, 30 years old. There's, like, casualties in the game now. Whether it's their health. Whether they get done with the sport.
And, I mean, Phil Barone's in a Mexican prison right now. War machine. I mean, he's the best.
Right, right, right.
There's some people making very bad choices. But, I don't know, man. It's upsetting to me when I see people all fucked up and we're sitting there hanging out having a good time.
You know, it's hard when people forget, too, about. the early days were not that popular. So, they forget about some spectacular performances. They forget about some amazing. When Carlos Newton tapped out Pat Miletic with a bulldog choke.
Oh, yeah. Remember, that was the first time? I've never seen anybody do that.
No, that was, yeah, that was something else.
I fought on that court. Do you remember that fucking, there's a photo of him and he is straight.
And Pat's face is like.
See if you can find the photo of Carlos Newton, look at his photo. Look, oh my God.
Yeah, man.
Oh my God. There's, like, another one, two of it, like, more from the back. But, either way, like, what a perfect picture. I mean, that is so nasty.
He was a fluent fighter. He was very.
He was like the first one, right?
Look at his fucking arm.
Jesus Christ. He was one of the very best grapplers. in the early days of the UFC. He pulled off some wild shit. Phenomenal jiu-jitsu.
Remember. he got Matt Hughes in that triangle. And Matt slammed him and KO'd him. They both went to sleep.
And then Matt just woke up first.
And he's like, I won, I won.
He was surprised.
Amazing.
It's funny looking at all these pictures and everything, you know, pre-USADA. Oh, yeah. I know.
Let's talk.
Let's talk, man, Sarah.
Let's talk.
Listen, and by the way, this is me at 49 on TOT. Okay, so I'm not competing now on anything. I never competed, did anything, ever. So, I remember, like, I liked some guys back then. But, fuck, man.
Like, Randy Couture, the natural.
Really?
The natural? Can we get a different nickname?
But I like Randy. I like the expendables and shit.
But, you know, I mean, of all the nicknames. Oh, shit. Can I have a little more of that?
Yeah, you want espresso?
I'm an espresso freak.
You want espresso?
Oh, no, I'll have coffee. I'll have coffee.
We'll get you some espresso.
It is what it is.
Do we get four espressos?
Yeah, you guys are awesome. Like, you look at, it's different when you look at the Pride guys, because they were almost encouraging that shit.
They were encouraging it.
Straight up.
One of Andy's guys went over there and they literally told him to gain weight.
Yeah, yeah. They wanted that whole freak show and watching the biggest guys kill each other.
Yeah.
I wonder, like, I know I fought BJ. I know I believe him when he says he was natural. But I wonder how many dudes I fought that were actually on something.
I think BJ was 100% natural.
I believe him. I believe him 100%.
And also, there's no change in his physique ever. BJ was all about whether or not BJ was fully dedicated. The fully dedicated BJ was a terrifying force.
To me, I still believe he's the greatest lightweight of all time.
I think you can make a real good argument that the prime BJ, when he beat Diego Sanchez, I would put that up against anybody ever.
Yeah, Diego, Sanchez, Shirk, all those guys.
I'm not saying Khabib couldn't beat him, because Khabib was a motherfucker. I mean, I don't think we really can appreciate how much of a motherfucker he is until after he's long gone, you go by him. Like that. Edson Barboza fight. Right.
He put that 1,000-yard stare in Edson Barboza early in that fight.
Yeah.
Where he was like, oh, my God. Like, this motherfucker. Like, I don't know if he—he might be able to do that to everybody. I don't know.
It seemed that way, but BJ was on a different level.
He was on an insane level.
Like, the prime BJ was on a different level.
And he had legs. There's his 1,000-yard stare. He had—BJ had legs that were like arms.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I heard he could put his legs behind his head without using his hands.
And he stretches them. It's not like, it's just totally natural. Right. He was telling me all these crazy things he does with bands. You know, where he stretches himself with bands.
He does, like, hardcore—yeah, hardcore stretching shit.
Isn't it wild that even the most flexible motherfucker is, if you get them in the crucifix, it doesn't matter if they can suck their own dick, they're still getting fucked up. Like, when you've got a guy—when you've got a guy—BJ Penn.
When you ever see—when you ever see BJ Penn.
The guy's jumping out of pools and shit. And, like, Matt Hughes, gets him here in the crucifix.
Yeah. It doesn't matter.
You can put your legs behind your head. He should have used his legs to fucking block the fucking—you know. Do some Wing Chun with your legs. He was—the crucifix fucks you up. I get Gi or no Gi.
I go for that all the time. Training. And, yeah, I know I can't—yeah, and I know I can't hit them, but there's a lot of ways you could transfer—transition into Camorras, arm locks, different things. But it's such a good thing to get used to, because they can't do dick. DC might not—I don't know how great his jiu-jitsu is, but, I mean, look, he gets guys in the crucifix.
They're fucking done.
The crucifix is—there was one guy at John Jock's who specialized in the crucifix,
because it's such a terrible place to be.
Yeah, it is.
You can't use your arms, and you're like, ahh. It's such a horrible place.
And you get punched in the face, and you're like trying to block with that one little hand.
With MMA, it's so much worse. It's the elbows from that position.
Oh, my God. Punches. When I was fighting Matt—when I was getting ready to fight Matt Hughes, I was having people start me from there, and that's why the only fight I ever in my career had to pull out of was our first time. I was supposed to meet Matt Hughes. And that literally broke my heart, because I was talking such shit, and I would never talk shit.
I always talk shit knowing that I'm going to meet this guy in a cage, you know what I mean? Because they say, you know what I mean? So I was calling the guy, you know, every other day I'm calling the guy a dick. But I know we're meeting, and I had to pull out of the fight. And part of the reason why I had to pull out of the fight is because I was getting older at the time, and I was still training like a younger guy.
So I was starting in the crucifix with my buddy Craig, who was like a fucking big, strong motherfucker. And then I'd get out. After five minutes, I would do duck under, suplex, duck under. Then I cooled off. Remember Matt Arroyo?
Remember Matt Arroyo?
Yeah.
He was visiting. So he asked me to show a move. I cooled down. And, dude, I fucking blew my back out just showing something. I went to show something.
I guess I was so fucking— Tired. Yeah, because I was training so physical, not as smart. So I had to pull out of the fight. But the point was—.
What happened to your back?
L4 and L5, I had herniated discs. Oh, Jesus. So I tried to stay in the—I tried to not pull out of the fight. So fucking—I went to a chiropractor. And I will never go to a motherfucking chiropractor again.
He took out this Tonka toy thing. And he goes, you see, your spine is—you gotta—and I go, dude, I don't know what you're doing. And I go, but just could you do something for me? He goes, everybody thinks they have a herniated disc. Because meanwhile, I'm sitting—I'm thinking about it.
I'm sitting the way I was sitting. I was like, not straight. I go, dude, something's not right here. He goes, everybody thinks it's a herniation, but it's a lot of times it's yada, yada. He put me on a thing.
He put me upside down on one of those—.
Yeah. Inversions. Yes.
And then he was with someone else. And then I'm with my wife. And then he goes, okay. Like, almost like I'm a fucking turkey. I flip him over.
You could turn him back over. When he turned—I guess everything was coming back down on my stuff. when he turned me back over. I was fucking—ah! I'm fucking screaming like something's sticking in me.
And then he charged me 50 bucks.
Do you know how—do you know when they call themselves doctors? Do you know how much time they spend in medical school? Zero.
How many? Zero.
Zero time in medical school. It's fucking—. Do you know how it was invented? How? Thank you, by the way.
Pull up the article, chiropractors are bullshit.
Joe, I have chiropractors at home that know, I know you, and they're like, hey man, why is he beating up on a chiropractor?
It's the origin of it. Look, whether or not—I'm not disputing that people get relief from being manipulated. Because I think there's something to the deep tissue aspect of it. There's probably something even to being out of alignment in certain conditions. You know, and a lot of that could be because of little injuries, and things are tight.
And that's why deep tissue massage and roughing is very effective. But the origins of the medical art, it came from a guy who was a magnetic healer who came up with this idea he's going to cure all illnesses by manipulating your spine. And the speculation is he was murdered by his son, who was a con man. And his son then fucking takes it everywhere.
And I don't know— Wait a minute.
Yeah.
Pull up the article. Pull up that article again. Because it's like, when you read it, you're like, what? Is this real? So, you know, I always thought it was a doctor.
But it's not. It's not a doctor.
It's this thing that, like, you, may find relief from. You may find relief from being manipulated. And I think there's guys out there that are really good at, like, they use other stuff with different techniques. with it. They're basically doing physical therapy.
But the knowledge and philosophy given me by—. Okay, here it is. Palmer held seances to contact a dead physician named Jim Atkinson. He said that those seances helped him develop chiropractic, as he wrote in his 1914 book, The Chiropractor. The knowledge and philosophy given me by Dr.
Jim Atkinson, an intelligent spiritual being, together with explanations of pneumonia phenomenon, rather. Phenomena, principles resolved from causes, effects, powers, laws, and utility, appealed to my reason. The method by which I obtained an explanation of certain physical phenomena from an intelligence in the spiritual world is known in biblical language as inspiration. In a great measure, the chiropractor's adjuster was written under such spiritual promptings. So this guy came up with this from a seance.
He learned it from a ghost.
He learned it from a ghost. And then the idea behind it, though, is that you could fix all these different problems that people have by adjusting them. Like, all kinds of wild shit.
They thought they could do it. See what he said, that they thought they could do with it, because it's kind of nutty. When you read, like, the stuff that he was saying he could fix.
Man, I just think it feels good, like, when you crack your knuckles, it feels good.
I think also getting pushed on and rubbed and adjusted, it's good for you. It feels good. It's like, when I get deep tissue massages, these motherfuckers, they dig in there with their elbows, and they're kind of cracking shit and moving. There's a lot of tension, and you can alleviate that. I'm not saying that being adjusted or any of these things these people do doesn't offer people help.
I'm sure it does. Don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day, where did that come from? And why are you calling it that? If you want to call it physical maintenance, you're literally attaching something that actually works to something.
that's really crazy. The origins of this are bonkers.
Why don't masseuses call themselves doctors? It's a similar thing.
It's a similar thing if you have a really good deep tissue massager, because it's like a disrespectful thing to a medical professional.
Right, and it makes you question the credibility of everything that they're doing.
Exactly. But they do help people. That's the thing. But you've got to admit what it actually is, and maybe you should probably take a look at the origins of it. See if you want to be attached to that.
Shit, man. They didn't do a dick for me, but I went to a...
They didn't do a dick for me, either. That's how I found out about all this. Oh, yeah? Yeah, man. I had a bulging disc in my fucking neck, and I went to a guy for a year who was telling me, No, it's just, you know, this is a muscle injury, and he's like, push down on my head.
And he was saying, does it hurt? when I do that? I go, no. He's like, then you don't have a bulging disc. Like, how ridiculous is that?
Yeah, how do you know? I finally went to a real doctor, and he gave me an MRI, and it's like, yeah, you've got a bulging disc.
He didn't even touch your head?
He didn't even touch my head. And then they did Regenikine on it. That's that shit that Dana went to Germany to go get. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Peyton Manning went, Kobe Bryant went over there.
And it's your own blood. It's like a PRP thing, but they add a bunch of stuff to it, and that fixed it in two weeks.
What about that fucking Final Destination, Dana? What the fuck did he do when he got that fucking test when he's like, oh, I'm going to die in 10 years?
What is that? He went keto.
What test was that that he took when he goes?
Oh, yeah, he told me about this guy.
The 10X guy? Somebody said that he's going to fucking, what did they say? That he's going to probably die in 10 years?
Something like that.
He's going to probably die in 10 years. But I believe that because Dana was just like, he doesn't sleep. He's always going. I could call Dana and have a two-hour conversation with him at two in the morning. He's an animal.
He don't sleep.
He's an animal. He's just like always doing stuff. He's always involved. He's always got deals. He's always working on fights.
He fucking loves this shit.
It's in my contract that if he leaves, I leave.
Really?
I'm like, I don't want to do this for anybody else.
He obviously loves it because he does not have to do it.
No, dude, he loves it. I'm telling you right now. You call him at any given time and say, Jan Blachowicz, Alex Baheda. Holy shit.
Yeah.
And we're going, oh my God, what the fuck is that going to be like? Bro, what is that going to be like, by the way?
What is that going to be like? Wait, say it again now?
Jan Blachowicz is fighting Alex Baheda.
Depends where it goes.
Well, here's the thing. I think that it's going to be a little... I think Jan's going to... I think Izzy's harder to get down than Alex. And I think Jan's going to get him down.
And I don't think he's getting up. I don't think so either. Did Izzy get up every time he got taken down?
Well, not in the later rounds. Jan Blachowicz can grapple. He can grapple.
If it's on the feet, I still think, you know, Baheda gets him, but on the ground, I don't see how he can get up.
What? Dude, you...
Look at that left hook on him.
Blachowicz is very high level on the feet. I mean, he's very high level. And he's got this wild thing that he'll do. He'll go shin to shin with you. He'll kick your fucking shins.
Like, he's the only guy that I ever see that consistently does that.
And, dude, look at that move.
Blachowicz, if he gets you down, man, and we saw how bad Alex looked on the ground. Against Izzy, who looked just as, almost as bad.
He did not look good.
I would say that he never anticipated that from Izzy, and he anticipated a straight-up kickboxing match, because that's most of Izzy's fights. He never tries to take it with that.
Right, for sure.
You could have said he made a mistake in that regard.
I mean, but there's just certain natural movements that you do if you are competent on the ground. Like, your legs are, you know, your body's round, and you're using your legs. I mean, he was pretty like a... He was like a board.
It was very low level. But, you know what?
He's sneaky. He's the sneakiest calf kicker in the history of calf kicks. His shit is so high level, and you don't realize it. It was even better in the second fight. He's got this way of lifting that front leg, and then no hip switch at all.
It's crazy.
Can I just say I'm glad I'm out of the game before they fucking put in these damn calf kicks?
I don't want that shit.
I'm glad I fucking...
I never took one kick in my calf.
I'll tell you what. My last fight in the UFC, I fought Josh Neer, and he inadvertently kicked me in the calf. I thought my leg was broke. Wow. I was just pulling guard at that point.
I didn't know what a calf kick... I thought he was just trying to kick my leg. He just happened to hit the calf, and I was done.
Josh Neer is another bad motherfucker that people forgot. They called the dentist. That dude was awesome.
Man, there's a lot of guys that people.
call Bruce Lytle. I want them to be known, man. Eve Edwards.
Eve Edwards is in his prime. When he knocked out Josh Thompson, I was saying that Eve Edwards is the best 155-pounder alive, but there wasn't a UFC championship for that back then.
I was there when he knocked out Masvidal, too, because I had a guy on there. It was Bodog, actually, in New Jersey. He head kicked, Masvidal.
No, no, no. You got it backwards.
It was a huge victory for Masvidal.
About to make a real enemy there with that one, fucker.
Switched that one up entirely.
Remember the time I backfisted Shoney?
Shoney Carter!
I was there for that one, too. Shoney Carter was awesome. Yeah, this is it right here.
Boom!
Got me, right? Beautiful.
I've been thinking it's the other way around.
Even back then, look at... Even back then, that dude's hilarious. That was hilarious.
Nick Diaz on Anderson Page.
I fought Eve Edwards right after 9-11..
It was September 28th, UFC 33..
That's when me and you beat each other.
You fought Fabio on EHA!
Where the fuck is that guy now?
I don't know.
How many arm bars did that guy have?
He had a lot of arm bars. He was just grabbing the guy's arms and just throwing his legs around.
I tell you, put it on him, though. Put them hands on him, boy!
I remember.
He had those corn rolls at the time. They weren't even corn. He just cut them in.
It was his haircut. He had lines cut.
You beat the shit out of him, Dean Thomas.
We both had our initial fights in the UFC. We both had hype, and we both fucked that up. You lost to BJ.
I remember that.
I lost to Shoney Carter.
It was at the end of September. It was right after 9-11.. I went out with Ray Longo. His wife didn't let him get on a plane. It was a weird time.
It was a ghost town. It was fucking crazy. I fought Eve Edwards, who was a better striker than Shoney. It was a crazy night.
I was just having a conversation with the people about the Gracie documentary, and we were talking about, right after September 11th, when Tito fought, Matty Shanko.
I was in the audience. Really? That was before I worked for the UFC again.
Wait, you were there?
Yeah, I was at that event. Me and Eddie Bravo.
We fought on this, Dean.
This was when they had their first big event in the UFC in Vegas. I wanted to be there for it. I was like, God, we gotta go. I became friends with Dana through that, and that's how I started doing commentary. Really?
Yeah, because I thought I was the first fighter of the night that night against Fabiano Iha.
Wow.
You know what's funny, man? I don't know if you're going to remember this, but it's fitting, since I gave you a new t-shirt. How we first started getting the talk, it was after I beat Kelly Delante. It was on a prelim. I remember that.
Yeah, I ended up getting a triangle on him. It was on a prelim, but they showed it right before the main event, so it got a lot of views.
I interviewed you, and you weren't doing the commentary yet, but you did say, it was something along the lines of, people. think the ground is boring, you need more stuff like, he gave me a nice shout out, that jungle jiu-jitsu that Matt Serra did. I was like, oh man, this is fucking fantastic. There's a girl, this girl, Paula, that I was friends with, she's like, you should send him a shirt for that or something. I go, how do I find him?
You know I'm half fucking special.
So, Paula, thank you, Paula, she sent the t-shirt to Joe, and you ended up calling the academy. I swear, did you call the academy to thank me or some shit? And I got on the phone with you and I was all excited.
That's the old days. People didn't text back then.
You called to say thanks for the shirt.
Bro, nobody texted back then. In 2001, it didn't exist.
There was no texting,
we called each other. We called each other. Yeah, you called people.
Yeah, I remember that.
We're the last generation. And most of the time it was on a real phone. A real phone.
What's bad now is like, I never checked my email, and now I never check my voice messages at all. I'm a fucking hermit, you know that. I just check my text messages. So I never checked my voicemail,
and that's it, man.
I live in my own little world.
That's bad.
I didn't think he was going to come out here and interrupt Matt's piece. You just can't interrupt his piece.
I just go to my school, and I go home, and now, since the pandemic had some blessings, because I used to have to go to the city to hang out with, and I do UFC Unfiltered, with Jimmy. Jimmy's coming out. Jimmy's doing your show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's doing the club.
I love Jimmy.
I love him too.
Jimmy, like little Jimmy Bird. Me and Jimmy became very close.
You don't go to New York for it anymore. Oh, okay, okay, the pandemic.
Nothing changes. So I used to have to go to the city because I do UFC Unfiltered with Jimmy, and I always felt like I was winning because it's a decent paying gig. It's a fun time with Jimmy. I go in after rush hour. I come out before it, but then, since the pandemic, man, now I just get a green screen in my fucking room.
So now I can be at my school. I do the 7 a.m.,
and I sit back, watch my kids strangle people. So I'm at the school twice as much, and I do my podcast still. The only time I really leave is the house, otherwise, is the fights, cornering people, and hanging out with Dean Thomas and looking for a fight.
Don't you think there's something missing when you're doing a podcast with someone that they're not in the room with you?
Oh, man, don't rock the boat.
I'm having a good time. I'm having a good time. No,
don't get me wrong. It's true. No, you're right. It's true.
We have a good time.
There goes my 7 a.m. class.
No, no, no, no.
I love hanging out with Jimmy in the room, but we have a good time on the show, don't we, on Zoom?
Yeah, I come on every once in a while.
And I'm able to be, because sometimes, when I go to the city.
I'm like, oh, man. Oh, well.
Wait a minute, wait a minute. You're the guy with the real job.
What do you mean?
You're running an academy. How is that a job?
That's what I'm talking about. Set up a little fucking studio in your town.
Jimmy does the Sirius radio. Not Sirius radio.
Fucking Uber and get alcohol.
Yeah, right?
We should do that. Get on a train.
We should do that shit. So it's near his house.
Oh, he does that every day?
He does that fucking like five days a week, the Jim and Sam show.
Oh, I didn't know it was every day.
Oh, so it's just like Opie and Anthony.
It's like Opie and Anthony. It's Jim and Sam. So he's got that gig going. I'm sure that place fucking pays really good. So, you know, I didn't mind taking the hit going to the city, but now I do, since it's a fucking shithole in there.
now. I used to hang out in there,
but I haven't been in there too much. I haven't been in there since that much, but I know it's shitty for my friends that live there. And from what I've seen, it's, you know, I used to be, how about this? I used to be able to go on with old school headphones kind of like this, you know, have my right, you know, I used to train in the morning. I used to get my head straight and I'd go there and just whistle.
I'm not going, now. I'm going to be there like fucking Kurt Russell and that motherfucker.
Chilling, walking the fucking, you have to be on guard. It's fucking nasty, dude. The couple of times I've been in there, it is what it is, but I think you get a sense of what it's like there. now. It's not, you just got to have your guard up.
And I did not feel, and I never lower my sword, but I didn't have to feel like I was so on edge. You see shit all the time on the fucking subway,
on the internet. You know, the guy got choked to death on the subway there.
I'm hearing all these different stories in that.
Yeah, well.
Did the guy get choked to death? Is that what happened?
Yeah, definitely. This is what happened.
The guy was threatening people on a train.
The guy, I don't know, there was a Marine. He put him in a chokehold. I don't know how long he held it for. I don't know how well he's trained. So this is the thing.
The people at home, when they put a chokehold on,
it stops the blood flow. It doesn't stop the air. But if you stop the blood flow for 15 minutes, the motherfucker's not coming back. So I don't know what happened, how long he kept it on and whatnot. But the guy who did have the chokehold on him had a fucking arrest warrant out for punching a fucking 60-something-year-old lady in the face.
He had like 40-something. Oh, he had 40-something arrests.
No, this wasn't your, you know,
upstanding citizen.
You know, when this guy tried to restrain him, too, so everybody felt threatened.
But this is what was weird. They made it a race thing, too. And the problem was to do that, they had to omit the fact that the other guy helping him was black. So there's a black guy that's helping him hold him down, and the guy's got his arm around this dude.
And most of the people on the subway came out in defense of this guy, said, you know, thank you for helping to protect him.
Unless you were there.
There's also a problem with people that are that fucked up. Like, that guy might have been high as shit on fentanyl. He might have been ready to die anyway. You know, and if you get in a scramble with that dude and then all of a sudden you got him in a headlock, you might have a fucking heart attack and die.
And I feel bad for the dude, because I know if it was me, I'm choking the motherfucker out. And I don't care. You know what I'm saying?
That's scary.
Because I'm choking the motherfucker out, because I'm trained to do that.
The only thing that I couldn't, only because I wasn't there, is how long did he hold it on for?
That's the only thing. And none of us have seen a video.
If I seen a video of him putting to sleep and the guy just didn't wake up, it's like, all right, well, maybe the guy shouldn't be fucking attacking people, punching 60-something-year-old women in the face and whatever. You know what I mean?
Remember the guy that choked to death for selling loose cigarettes?
Remember that?
What was that guy's name?
I forgot.
It was a terrible story. Eric Gardner. Terrible story. But there was all these people that were saying that's not a chokehold. And I was like, fuck you, that's not a chokehold.
Let me do that to you. You don't even know what you're talking about. That cop had that dude's head.
and he had that shit cinched down.
He's getting choked.
And this is the best case of it. Stopping someone who's been assaulting people. The fact that the guy died fucking sucks. And we can't speak to it because I don't know. Is there a video of the actual choking?
If there's a video out there, and not that you want to see the guy die, but it's crucial to know.
whether he's guilty or not.
How long did the guy hold on to the choke? Because if he did hold on to the choke for a couple of minutes, you don't do that.
Yeah, he might not know that.
Just because he's a Marine and he knows how to do that, fucking everybody knows. Oh, okay, there's a photo of him. Well, 100%, it's choking him.
Yeah, there's the photo,
but now it's kind of shitty technique.
But look at his right arm. Look, he's goofy with his hand. So it's not good technique. It's okay. I saw the guy you interviewed.
He claimed this guy was talking through it. He said he used it more to restrain him,
than to do UFC palm on the head. It does work, but that's not what a black belt does. That's not a serious guy.
Hey, you know what kind of scared me recently, not to be a dick, and I love Michael Bisping, and who else did it? Marvin Vittori. But fuck, man, guys, when you want to do the re-enactment, and I love Michael Bisping, I get along with him very well. They put Steve-O and someone else to sleep recently.
Do you mind if I do this to Dean Thomas? No way do I mind. No, no, no.
I'm not saying exactly who you are,
but just when you're doing the proper re-enactment,
I want the elbow underneath the point of the chin.
That way. I know I'm on the carotid arteries. I'm not going to do it, but now, if I just slightly go to compress. What the fuck, man? I don't know.
I feel like if it's on the windpipe, I'm looking at this thing like,
I'm going to crush his fucking throat.
Look at the amount of pressure. he's putting all of his weight behind him. Look what he's doing, and he's still holding it.
But his forearm was on his windpipe. And, Mikey, I love Mikey. I love Mike, I do. But guys, come on, man, fuck.
He leaned into it. I know. He got all of his weight behind it. I would never do that to somebody.
You want a V on the neck. That's not a V.
He's doing a number four on his neck. Dude, it should be a V on the neck. That didn't hurt you when I was doing it?
No, no.
And you'll be sleeping in under 10 fucking milliseconds.
I don't like that. So if you're going to choke out radio DJs, do it properly.
Align your elbow with the chin.
There's a lot of those DJs that get choked out.
I mean, goddamn, I don't know. I was looking at it. like, dude, I'm a jiu-jitsu guy.
Like guys, I mean, yeah, you'll put him out, but fuck.
You're eating soup for a fucking week, that guy. Anyway, that just bothers me.
I hear you.
It's a good thing to talk about.
Why do people want to get choked out like that, too? Why do they want to go to sleep?
They have this infatuation, right? Maybe we're fighters, and I want to see what it feels like.
Oh, you know what the worst one is? Steve-O with Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy choked him to sleep and then dropped him. And he bounced off his fucking head on the theater floor.
Oh, no.
Tim Kennedy gives a fuck. Tim Kennedy's a wild boy. That's a special person. Look at this. He chokes him to sleep.
Holy shit.
But again, look where the elbow placement.
His feet are dangling.
This was on his show.
I bet you. he told him to fucking drop him.
I think the elbow placement was better.
when I saw it the second time.
Yeah, I think he did tell him to drop him, and Tim's like, okay, I'll drop you.
He's got his feet dangling.
Really bad, though. First of all, the guy hits his head on the floor, too. You could die. That's what I'm talking about, that part. The choking out.
Why would people do that?
He's crazy. He wants that to happen.
I know, but why would Tim Kennedy put himself in that position? Because if he dies, he's responsible for that.
That's a real thing.
That's why I don't choke nobody out like that.
That's a real thing.
It's not easy, but that fucking idiot, when I was in Vegas, easy, right hand at his fucking chin. I was looking at him like Robocop, where I saw the chin right there, but then he's taking his shirt off, and I'm just like, ah, you little fucker. Ah, you little fucker. My kids were right there.
That's so much better.
I hit him, his head, hit the floor, I'm fucked.
The way you did. it was kind of beautiful to show everybody, look, this is a fucking... And he's laughing.
It was beautiful.
I use that all the time as a fucking... I'm no salesman, but I tell people, and I mean it, though. I really do mean it. I don't point to any of my fights with the guys I fought. I fought some killers and stuff.
I tell people to look up that, and it's not for bragging rights. It's not.
It happens. Look at you laughing.
He's talking shit to him.
Every time you're holding his wrist, it's like you're doing a seminar.
This is what I really like, though, about Brazilian jiu-jitsu is... Well, this is how it started, though. Because they came in like weekend at Bernie's. So he's putting glasses on her and shit. So at first it was kind of funny.
I'm like, look at this. Look at this, she's done. She's done.
Good lord.
So you've got to understand...
Where is this? This is in Vegas?
This is at the Red Rock Casino, where the Fatina brothers own this.
And right now he's... See, what happened was... I'm with my wife and my kids. It's July 4th, because the next day I was going into the Hall of Fame. And this fat fuck...
Oh, you're just subduing him? All right, get off him. Yeah, dude, are you going to fucking control him? At that point, nothing happened. I was waiting for this guy to grab my balls or something.
You know what I mean?
The next day I was going into...
Does he try to swing at you when he gets up?
No, now he's saying he wants to press charge.
So what happened was...
You're going to charge him.
with embarrassing him.
It was the day before I was going to go into the Hall of Fame, and my wife's like, oh, we had family there in Vegas for me getting inducted in. So she goes, oh, you want to go down to the strip to see the fireworks? And I'm like, listen,
we're going to have a party and then we'll celebrate tomorrow. So sure enough, we're at the Red Rock Casino, which is so cool. I love that place.
Great place.
There's a bowling alley. in there, there's a movie theater. You know, I love the movies. And so me and my wife, my kids, and my sister and her kid were there. So we're at the cafe, and then you see them two walk in,
throwing shit at the fucking, the waiters. And I go to my wife, I go, we got to get the fuck out of here. I go, because I just know if something goes near me, it gets thrown in all directions. I just know I got to get out of here because it's not good. Sure enough, my waiter was bringing me my check, and the guy got up.
He got up like this. Instinctively, I got up. And then he turned right to me. And this is what I tell my students.
I don't look like John Rallo.
John Rallo gets up. So I don't look like a pussy. The guy looked at me and goes, you got a fucking problem? And so I'm already angled. I'm not going to be on WorldStarHipHop.
I'm already angled.
So then he fucking takes that fucking shirt off, and nothing's going to get better after that. So I stepped in around the waist, put him down. The whole place is clapping at that point.
And I go, film this.
Because I know what's going to happen. I know he's going to say, UFC guys beating him up. So that's her. My sister filmed that. She's also the one with the big mouth.
Yeah, that's right. That's not my wife.
So then I gave him a little lesson, and then security ended up coming.
And at one point,
I'm telling him to calm down, and I look up and I see my nine, my Maria, my middle child.
You know, terrified, kind of. So at one point I look up at her with the same tone, and I'm like, oh no, it's okay. It sounds like I'm talking to him,
but I was talking to my kid.
But afterwards with that, I sent a video to Dana, and I go, hey, tell Lorenzo to get better security in his motherfucker.
But I tell the students to look at that. The guys that are coming in, if they're unsure of jiu-jitsu for them, I go, look.
We all know this. It's a drunk white belt. It's not like I'm fucking, hey, look what I did, everybody.
But to the untrained eye, it's kind of cool. Jiu-jitsu is like a superpower. It really is, man.
That is such a much,
I was going to say,
it's such a much better result than the Joe Schilling one.
Oh, man.
Let's show that. This is the worst case scenario.
I thought you could use Muay Thai as a wrestling boxer.
This is one of the beautiful things about jiu-jitsu. We're talking from the perspective of a jiu-jitsu champion, UFC champion, and a Muay Thai champion. Watch how Joe Schilling handles this, dude. This is one of the most horrific videos that any drunk douchebag should ever see. They should show you in drunk douchebag school.
This can happen to you. So he bumps into him, and then the guy says, hey.
All he had to do, all that dude had to do was flinch at him, and Joe hit the switch.
This is crazy. This guy just looks like a yuppie douchebag.
He's probably getting on his fucking nerves.
He had been annoying everybody at the bar.
He looks like a dick.
Look at this.
You know what I'm happy about? I heard he got off. okay. I heard he got off. Yeah, he got off.
Did he really get off?
That's the last stop. If I move to Florida, the fucking empire is on the way out.
When I move to Florida.
Joe Schilling is a savage, man.
He's so quiet,
but man, that guy's switch will turn in a minute.
Well, you know what? He's a great guy. He's nice to him. He's the best guy you could ever be friends with. But that's the wrong dude to flinch on.
Oh my God.
That's the way it should be, though.
That was totally unnecessary. That guy did not have to do that to him. The whole thing was provoked. He's a dick.
He deserved it.
He learned a lesson.
That's the universe. Those are videos for everybody to see, too. Kids should see that and go, oh yeah.
It's Darwinism.
When you're an asshole like that, you dumb, you get knocked out.
Or you get eaten.
Back in the day, that's how it was. If you talk shit, you got hit.
That's why I got off Twitter. I haven't been on Twitter. My life is better. I don't even know what goes on there. That's what I'm saying.
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