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Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions. It's the Ramsey show where we help people build wealth, do work that they love and create actual, amazing relationships. George Camel, Ramsey personality, host of the George Camel popular YouTube show and co-host of the Super popular smart money happy hour, is my co-host. today. We're back alive and at it as you folks are.
Hey, Have you got the cobwebs blown out from the eggnog? yet? Are you back at it? Are you ready to rock and roll? is a game on?
is there a reset as our cycle? It needs to be broken. My buddy Jocko's got everybody resetting and we're breaking the cycle. So whatever it is, you got to do, there's got to be a thing and you got to do something different. you got to set these New Year's resolutions in process, make a habit happen, and One of the things that we want you to make a habit of is making sure you go ahead and order George's book.
It comes out next week. next week, George. That's crazy, yeah, so you can just, for a couple more days, get all of the pre-sale elements with it, and It's called breaking free from broke, the ultimate guide for more money and less stress. and it's a very millennial cover. But it's only.
it's not just for Millennials. That's right.
I'm 25 to 55, anywhere in there, or a little younger, 15 to 55.. There we go. Well, a lot of people are saying hey, what is the book? I can give to my team that they'll actually listen to this. This is it, But I hope this is the year people break free from broke.
Dave. There's too many people out there and it's not about income. We're having people call in and make 200 grand.
Incomes everywhere and they're drowning in payments. a lot of a lot of people would make a lot of money and spend it all. So this is the year in Congress or something.
I think America's gonna unplug from the matrix this year because they're sick of this toxic money culture of debt and payments and they're stressed out about what's gonna happen in the economy, and I just want to hold a Financial mirror up and go. you're gonna solve this. It's not up to anyone else. That's it.
That's how it's done. So the book comes out next week. if you order the $20 book today, you get about a hundred dollars worth of goodies with it, Including a couple months of every dollar. Oh, that comes with it.
Anyway, that's right, Whether you buy, before or after three months of every dollar premium, the audiobook, which is going to be enhanced with some cool production.
The audio book. it's gonna be the best audio book we've ever done. I love the extra production on it.
Yeah, we got a live event happening the launch week that you'll get access to, as well as a video talk. I did called show me the money. all of you pre-order.
Yeah, so about $100 worth of stuff if you pre-order right now, breaking free from broke. So we'll start the year with a commercial, but we'll keep going. so the deal is that. And I wanted I'm actually gonna carry this over in the next segment, because I just looked up and saw how much time I spent yakking about nothing but the. Sorry about that, guys.
I was one of my New Year's resolutions to not do that. Stop yakking. It's not. no, I can't stop yakking. it's like quiet out here if you do that, but the.
Setting and keeping goals, because the thing we have figured out that is unique at Ramsey, That the rest of the financial world still struggles with, basically, is that personal finance is 80% behavior. It's 20% head knowledge. You really fix the person in your mirror or you're just screwed.
I What you've been doing. you're gonna keep getting what you've been getting and Continuing to do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result is the definition of insanity, And so it is time to break free from the cycle, and that's why we're doing this live stream called that as well, But the but. I want to talk about that in this next segment a minute, And but let's set that up a second, because I don't think any of you want to miss this next segment. It's really deep, Dialing into from a business perspective, treating your life like it's a business. How am I going to?
Set my revenue goals, my expense goals and my profit goals. You know, that's what you do for business. You set a budget, and How am I going to do that in my personal? Situation? because everybody's a little bit introspective this time of year, you know, I got an email from a friend of mine doing dry January, So everybody's gonna try to do something to be a little better version of themselves, right, and I think you should anyway.
Yeah, I mean we have a lot of areas. finance is what we focus on, but now, with dr. John Deloney, here, We're covering mental health goals and relationship goals, and Ken Coleman's got work goals if you want to up your career, And so it's expanded, and you've talked about how you don't want a flat tire in any area of life as well. Well, you, you're great with your finances, but your marriage is on the brink. You've got to excel in all the areas.
Yeah, or you're a great parent, but you're broke all the time. Mmm, you know, that's that ends up, by definition, eventually, not being a great parent, you know, by definition. And so. but if you work all the time and you never see your kids, you got a pile of money, then you, you know, You're again. You're out of balance.
and people talk about life balance, But I don't want to talk about it in that sense, because sometimes that's code. for I want to do, I just want to go over here and not do anything. It can be just like a balance. I want to. I want to kick back and call that life balance.
No, I want you to kick in Once you get it, once you get after it, and whatever the area is that you need to attack, I want you to do it, you know, wholesale and wide open. So, you know, basically, I'm not talking about dreaming. You know dreaming is good. Having a dream is a good thing. being a dreamer Has a negative.
no one wants their kid to marry a dreamer. Yeah. Hey, dad. I'm getting engaged and he's a dreamer. Oh crap, they're gonna live in the basement.
That's code for unemployed. That's code for I'm a, I don't do much, So you don't want to be a dreamer, but having vision is a good thing. I'm having a dream is a good thing, But just only the negative connotation is a dreamer means without action. and so you want to step into action and 41% of Americans make New Year's goals or Resolutions. only 8% end up keeping them.
I don't, I can't believe. it's that high, only 8%. I would, I guess, lower than that. But we're gonna talk about in this next segment exactly how to lay out for any area of your life, How to lay out a goal and How to make it work, and how to stick to it for the rest of this year. So if you've kind of had a oh, I lay, or maybe you're really game on well, I'm gonna give you a little bit a little fine-tuning for that next time, next segment here, and We're gonna lay it out in a way that you're not going to be confused at all about what it takes to win in any given area.
and Bottom line is it takes that your mirror, that person that you have to step up. Mm-hmm.
Well, you teach this in entre leadership a lot, but I love the business analogy going Hey, What if we treated our personal life? Like it was a business like there was really something on the line, because a lot of times when it's just us day, We can let ourselves down all day long. But you can't do that in business and I think we need to have that level of gravity when it comes to our goals.
This year. Yeah, I'm gonna get around to investing someday. But not treat it like it matters, well, you know how to treat it like it really matters, because it does I Mean retiring and eating. Alpo is not a plan, you know retiring and having the. You know the dad-blame Government.
you're living on social insecurity. after working your whole life, You're gonna let the government, which is well known for its ability to handle money, take care of you. That's a dumb plan. That that's a definition of mediocrity, minus about six degrees. so you don't want to do that.
but that's what's gonna happen. if you're on coast mode, you can coast through the society and have a Relatively decent lifestyle high stress. Mm-hmm, but relatively decent lifestyle instead. I would rather just turn on the turn up the heat and let's go get it.
Let's go do something different. all that leads to more peace, more confidence, less stress. That's what this is all about. So
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George Campbell, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. Welcome to the Ramsey show, folks. We're glad you're here. This is a show that actually helps. you want to win at your life.
We started years ago talking about your money. We still talk about money a lot, but we talk about every area of your life. We were talking before the break there about dreams. dreams with work clothes on are called goals, And you better put some work clothes on if you want to get something done.
The. you know, it's funny to me that every time I'm lucky it's usually around the time I'm wearing work clothes My luck tends to happen the more I work. It's just this honest, funny correlation. You know, I get more luck the more I work, and that's pretty simple. the way this is Dreams that put their work clothes on are called goals.
now, a lot of people talk about setting goals, But let me tell you, if you don't set the goal correctly, You have zero chance almost of hitting it, and it has to have. really, there are five components of a properly set goal, and if you dodge any of them, you lower your Probability of hitting it almost to zero. the first three for sure. If you don't do the first three, you're just done. There's not.
there's almost no chance. You're gonna hit it. So I want to lose weight, I want to make more money. I want to.
Have a better career. I want to graduate from college, I want to whatever, so that the first two things a goal has to be is You're. if you say I want to lose weight. You're not going to.
That's not enough. that's a dream. It's fuzzy it. the first two things a goal has to be specific and it has to be measurable. So a goal losing weight is a measurable event.
earning more money is a measurable event. I want to get out of debt. That's a measurable event. Now. We've got to get very, very specific how much?
And by when? that's how. that's another piece of the puzzle here. The third one is time limit. Yeah, when you have those three together, it's magic, because now it's a reality.
Yeah, well, when you put those three together, math automatically happens. So, you know, let's just use the weight example. a lot of people talking about that this time of year. I want to lose Weight. you won't.
okay, that it's measurable, but it's not specific. Okay, how much do you want to lose? Oh, 30 pounds. Okay, Now, we measurable and specific. now, then, the question is do you want to lose 30 pounds over 10 years, and how many times do you?
want to lose 30 pounds?
That's an important piece of the puzzle. Yeah, so, you know, I want to earn more money. great, how much I want to earn $100,000 this year. Okay. How soon do you want to do it?
now, when you put a time limit on it? And you know what the amount is, Automatically your brain starts doing sixth grade math how much per month? long division, right? So if I want to lose 30 pounds, when I want to do it over three months, I say instantly everyone said that's 10 pounds a month. Instantly you're going.
some of you're even going further and saying that's two and a half pounds a week. And then you start automatically saying what has to be true. That's not true now, and so I'm gonna raise my water intake, lower the bread and sugar intake and.
Increase my aerobic activity to 30 minutes a day. These are magical things that you do. if you're losing weight, right, if I want to earn more money, okay, Well, are you're on commission? Do you need to make more sales? Right?
That's right. How many more calls do you need to make to make the sales? I had a guy tell me one time he said I'm gonna earn a hundred is working for us. He said I'm gonna earn $100,000 this year and I said, no, you're not. He said what do you mean?
You're not gonna pay me. I said no, you. I read the sales reports. You don't make enough calls to make enough sales on Average, with our average order value on that call to make a hundred thousand dollars. And so how many you know, a hundred thousand dollars is eighty, three hundred thirty three dollars a month.
That's twenty one hundred dollars a week. What are you going to do to earn? $2,100 a week? and then you figure that out. then, and what's it take to do that?
and you're willing to do those steps. Boom, you've done the long division. You've done the math, right? You know, a lot of times people call in, they go. Well, you know, I've got $75,000 in debt.
Okay. Well, what do you make? Well, I make $60,000.. Okay, if you pay off $25,000 a year, that's three years. So instantly we're doing.
we're setting goals with you when you call in here for you, But also inspiring you by showing you that you know, If you did roll up your sleeves, earn a little bit more money and lived on less than you make, you could pay off $25,000 a year. That's $2,000 a month. you that for three years you paid off $75,000. you start to do the math and Then the math gives you hope, because you can really do 30 pounds in three months. That's not an unreasonable loss for most people.
now. You shouldn't do that. You would know here I would float away into the ether if I did that just one of my legs would be smaller. But you know, that's all but the. but you know, other people are right.
So everybody's got a different thing, but 30 pounds is.
Doable 30 pounds is. do you have to make the goal reasonable, but you want it to be a little bit scary?
I think it's too easy. We tell you what if you don't write it down. That's the fourth one. It makes it hard to do too. Mm-hmm.
Once you write it out, there's something that happens. the Bible says write the vision and make it plain. It says it in Habakkuk, one of the Old Testament books write the vision and make it plain. So when you write down, I am going to lose 30 pounds 10 pounds a month, 30 pounds in 90 days, 10 pounds a month, 2 and a half pounds a week. Then you step up on the scales and you're up a pound.
You got, you got a baseline, you go All right. Now I got three and a half pounds. I'm screwed. You know, I really got to get out of the cookies here. I mean you just you start to make the adjustments of what you've got to do.
put up the Christmas cookies. There's enough already. I'm talking to myself now, but the arsenal, but the but. I mean I'm gonna look, I'm gonna pay off this debt. if I'm gonna pay off $2,000 a month and you look up and you've only paid off a thousand, well, You're off goal.
and when you write out your debt, snowball, when you write out your budget, which is your monthly goals For money, then you've got it in writing. if you want to earn more, put it in writing and then start talking about what you're Gonna do to cause that to happen, because something has to be different for you to be different. Hello, if you want to be out of debt in your in-debt, something has to be different. So what's gonna be different? Well, I'm selling some crap.
I mean we're amputating the Tahoe here. That that boat that's been sitting out there in the yard that we act like we use and we don't use is gone. I mean, you know, yes, I have a $9,000 riding lawnmower. I'm an idiot. So I'm selling it.
Yes, okay, I mean you're an idiot if you have $9,000 riding lawnmower and and You owe $9,000 on it. Now, if you, if you're a billionaire and you have a $9,000 running and you pay cash and you pay cash, okay, That's an idiotic. but thing to do? people do that. So sacrifices must be made.
Well, something has to change and Generally it feel change always feels like a sacrifice. It may not be as sacrificial as you think it may be. you just look up and you go. Oh, there's $50,000 in my savings account. I owe $35,000 on this stupid butt student loan, and apparently Joe Biden is not coming to the rescue.
Hello, are you just now waking up to that? And so I mean he can't even fight my anyway, but uh, Yeah, so, oh my gosh. Are you just now waking? So if the change could simply be, you're gonna reduce your savings account by $35,000. ready, set, go, And it's still gonna hurt a little bit.
tap out, done, just like that. and The last one is the goals have to be your goal. Mm-hmm.
That's the unexpected one in the mix here.
Well, other people let people set goals for them. My mama always wanted me to be a dentist.
I'm not going to you. my parents told me I stopped wasting money on rent and buy a house.
Yeah, it's a terrible reason to buy a house. Yeah, and and yet they didn't fund any of this suggestion. No, you know, they don't pay your bill. My friend said I should always have a car payment. Yeah, but he ain't paying it.
So, hello, you know. Oh, people are always. people always got opinions about everybody else's stuff, and you know, My dad always want me to be a preacher. I'm not going to your church unless you're talking about God, your dad, God, the father. But other than that, I don't you know.
for people whose earthly father called them into the ministries, They don't make good pastors. Hello, and so, you know, I always, you know, but you need to say So, my wife wants me to lose 30 pounds. That's it. Is that a trick question? No, it's not a trick question.
It won't work until I want to lose 30.. I can't. I could want to do it to please her. Yeah, really? That's really horrible.
That's? that's blissified right there. I mean my wife wants me to earn more money. No, it won't work. My mama always wanted me to.
I don't care what your mama wants. It's time being grown up. If you're 25, your problems are now your problems. You can't blame them on your parents anymore. You're like an adult walking around in like a large body and stuff, and you need to freaking act like it So you can't.
the days of blaming mama and daddy are done. So. that expired exactly now. seven areas We recommend you set goals for, certainly, financial goals, intellectual goals. You're gonna read a book this year.
How many nonfiction books you're gonna read this year? There's a direct correlation between your income and the level of nonfiction books you read. Read a book, family goals How you gonna break that out? spiritual goals, Prayer time, Bible reading, going to church. physical goals.
We talked about losing weight, exercising, run a marathon, career goals, Social goals, you should set goals in these areas and they should be specific. They should be measurable, They should be in writing and they need to be your goals. Not you living someone else's life. Otherwise, it doesn't work. This is the Ramsey show.
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George Campbell, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. Alyssa is with us in Naples, Florida. Hi, Alyssa, welcome to the Ramsey show.
Hi.
Hey, what's up?
Not much, just taking a break in my workday. Okay. How can we help?
so I just got remarried in October and my husband and I, you know, after the wedding, really sat down and took a Good look at our combined finances good, and we definitely made a lot of Debt choices independently and now coming together trying to figure out how we can Tackle that, hopefully, you know, for the new year, planning on, you know, having a kid I already have a nine-year-old daughter and Trying to get those You know figured out so that we're not constantly worried about savings and being able to retire.
It sounds like you need to do all the things that all of us need to do Yeah, feed babies, retire, get out of debt, save money, right?
Right, and part of the thing that that's a little bit Frustrating is, you know, between our combined finances. We're bringing in about 11,500 a month and still feel like we can't. you know, We've only got about three thousand in our savings and not able to really contribute to retirement Or anything like that. So trying to figure out, how much debt do you know?
So student debt, we've got about a hundred and forty thousand.
I'm the mental health therapist. Okay, so I've, I've got, I've got about 90.
he, he has about 40, and that was, you know, from the His parents pushing him to go to college. and so he has debt with no real What other debt? Nothing really to show for it. car payments About 50,000 total in our cars, you know 60 on your cars. Okay.
Mm-hmm. And then we've got a mortgage. That's got about.
240,000.
Okay,
That's as far as debt goes.
Hmm,
Okay, so.
Alyssa, looking at these numbers. Let's ignore the mortgage for now and focus on the consumer debt. You've got about a hundred ninety or so in consumer debt, And you guys are bringing home what a hundred thirty hundred forty grand? Mm-hmm. And so this becomes a great math equation.
where we go? How much margin can we create every month to throw at that smallest debt? That's all. we're focused No saving, no investing. We're not eating out.
We've got to make some sacrifices here. How quickly could you pay off, you know, could you throw three, four or five thousand dollars a month at the smallest debt?
What's I think? for me, it's the fear. with my daughter Making sure that we have enough, because with me, with me being self-employed in him doing construction and things like that, I get worried about catastrophic expenses, you know what I'm worried about.
You make a hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year and you're freaking broke. That's what I'm worried about. I think you need to be worried about that. You're driving cars. You can't afford.
you have a lifestyle. That's absolutely asinine.
Mm-hmm.
And that's nothing to do with a nine-year-old. what, what does she need? that's thousands of dollars a month worth.
When you say I need to take care of her.
It's more. it's more just in case.
Yeah, you know, yeah, there's no bet, but you're not doing anything about it. You got $3,000.. So that's a complete red herring. That's absolutely, you're not. you're doing nothing about that except creating anxiety, Right.
Yeah, so it's time. It's time for a penchant for action, some urgency here and say, okay, the more dramatic We, more dramatic we change our life, the more dramatically we change our life, the more Sacrificially we change our life, The the faster this is going to turn around and we're gonna have a pile of cash, won't be out of debt. Yes, the more you just goof around with it, because here's the deal. you guys, just you guys have no idea where this money goes Right, and so we're gonna get you on a detailed written budget. So here's the thing.
What kind of mental, mental, health, professional, what kind of work do you do?
I'm sorry, I do counseling like therapy, depression, anxiety, stuff like that. Okay.
All right, and so what you do is is there's some parallels to what we do. So you can use, you can be physician, heal that self. Okay, right, so, Because here's the thing you are an objective observer to someone's misbehavior. Right, and you look at that and go hey, you ought to try this, because the way you've been doing it not working. You know this yelling and screaming at your wife.
not working, you know this zero activity, sitting in a dark room, adding your to your depression. So you need sunlight and vitamin D and activity. So you need to get an exercise and be in sunlight helps with depression. Am I wrong?
Yeah, so you sent you send somebody because you're in a, but they're sitting in the dark room. They don't see it. So what I want to do here is I just want you to say, okay, if I hired you, you're a smart person. if I hired you, Even though you're not a financial professional, It's because the stuff we're dealing with here is sixth grade math. If I hired you to look at this and say you come in objectively and you look at this family, They make a hundred and thirty hundred forty thousand dollars a year.
They have three thousand dollars to their name, They have sixty thousand dollars in car debt and they have student loans have been hanging around so long. They think they're a pet. They feel stuck. You could objectively look in from the outside, like you do every day, and look at this the way George and I are looking at Right now going. these people need to tighten things up.
They need to sell a car or two. They're not going on vacation because they're broke, because they're in. if they're sick and tired of being sick and tired, you'll change Your right process and if, because you, if you look at this objectively from the outside, I can see in a three minute radio conversation with you, I I can see forty or fifty thousand dollars a year here that you could throw at this and you'd be out of debt in No time, but it's gonna mean you're driving different cars. You're not going on vacation, You're not eating out and it's not gonna be comfortable for a while until you set some new grooves in your brain.
Yeah, So we definitely already Decided on completely cutting out vacations, okay, Huge conversations, you know, with family of like, oh, you know, even like big family crews, and just saying, sorry, we can't do it.
You're gonna learn to say no a lot.
Yeah, You can say yes. the way we say it is, you live like no one else, so that later you can live and give like No one else. So if I were Prescribing to you from the outside, looking in the way I'm asking you to do for yourself, I could look at these numbers and say these people have a really tough two and a half years ahead of them, So that they have an awesome life the rest of their life. Yeah, and it's worth it, and it works, because it is just math, It's just sixth grade math, but it has to do with controlling my the, the angry little boy or a little girl that lives inside of each of us, and Making that little person who throws a fit on the cereal island once fruity pebbles. No, no, because that little kid he rises up.
I want a new car. I deserve. I mean, I have a degree. I have a master's degree. I deserve a good car.
No, you don't, you're freaking bro.
You deserve freedom, not this life of stress, and the math does give me hope in this situation.
Oh, yeah, make 11, 5. the beautiful story about your beautiful part, about your story is Alyssa. you, you have the income, and the parallel would be if you were sitting with a patient who is Master's degreed in something you. they have the intellect to adjust their mental behaviors, To adjust their mental health with behavior shifts that you with directions you can give them. they have the capacity.
Mm-hmm. You didn't call me up. make it $30,000 with these numbers. Thank God, You call me up making a hundred and thirty thousand dollars these numbers. Yeah, so you can do this, and the correlation is very simple the deeper you cut, The more sacrificial and weird you are.
and it's gonna feel very strange for the first 90 days, And then it'll get to be a normal rhythm. But the deeper you cut, the faster you're out. by the way, that works for all of you. the deeper you cut, the faster you're out. and I'm up rip the band-aid off, guy.
Yeah, this, pull it off one hair at a time thing. No, thank you.
That's a lot of pain. That's why you like to amputate the Tahoe. Just do the big stuff, knock it out.
It's a stupid car. I'll get another stupid car. There's more time. I got a lot of stupid cars now and you know, but I didn't used to. I mean, it's a stupid car.
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George Campbell, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. Luke is in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Where they are crying this morning. Hey, Luke, welcome to the Ramsey show.
Not too many to use to clean up this morning. on my end. How's everything going?
Better than I deserve. Oh, My goodness. Tell me how we can help today.
Yes, sir, Get a plan together on possibly buying a house, Not necessarily a set time frame. being a girl currently, that kind of has her stopwatch clicking on me and I don't want to go through the whole running process if I don't have to. So we're just kind of wanting to get y'all's opinion on that.
Mmm, so you've got a girlfriend. she's wanting you to propose. you're wanting to buy a house. There's a lot going on here and you're wondering when is the time to buy a house?
Yes, sir, how old are you? I'm 24. when will you get married?
Probably in the next year and a half or so.
You got any money I.
currently have about 53,000. No, no, you're gonna get upset with me, but uh, in a second account, I'm not upset with you.
I'm happy. you're 24 years old, got 50 grand.
That's fair. That's, that's your stud, man. You're gonna say but I have a hundred thousand in debt. You got any debt.
No, sir. Currently, I'm living with the parents and I've been blessed that they have given me that opportunity. That's incredible.
I'll just stack up as much cash as you can and until this wedding and we'll cash flow it, and Then we'll talk about buying a house, but I wouldn't do it before you guys are married. No, I wouldn't. she's gonna want a different house than you, the one you picked out.
Okay,
yeah, so Ideal is, you guys pile up as much cash as you can and somewhere around a year after the wedding you're purchasing Okay, that's ideal. The reason that's ideal is it gives you enough time of being married folk to make a better decision together, Because you'll make a better decision after you've been married a year than you will one after you've been married one week. Okay, and you know, because you will have learned to work together on other things as well during that year. That first year of marriage is very interesting. So, um, you know, you just take that time, get to know her.
She gets to know you. and the way we always joke about it Is we say it takes about a year to know how far away from your mother-in-law to buy? Yeah, you know, that's about. that's about the measure. so, um, but that it you know, there's some truth in that joke.
that's why it's funny, but the Yeah, that's, that's what we look at. and and but that means you're gonna be like 26 years old, which is okay with me. It also means you're probably gonna have $100,000.. Yes, sir, which is okay with me. Love it.
Does she have any debt?
Not that I'm aware of. she comes from pretty well off Family. that doesn't mean a thing. Oh, I know it doesn't mean a thing. But from what I've heard, Like she does.
Okay, okay,
That just might delay it if she did, but it sounds like you guys are both gonna get married completely debt-free, with a pile Of money in the bank, which is the best case scenario. before you start talking about put a ring on.
This finger is an engagement. You need to know everything about her financial life and she needs to know everything about yours.
Yes, sir. Now one follow-up question. Um, what do you suggest I do? Because obviously $53,000 sitting in the bank is not doing me any good. I mean, it's doing me a lot of good.
You're sitting there, but I feel like I could use it elsewhere, you know finance Some kind of account with a financial manager of some sort. I don't think I'd get fancy.
You might do a high-yield savings account which might pay you in this current world. What three or four percent, something like that, instead of a half a percent of the bank? I don't know what the banks paying you, But talk to that bank about a high-yield savings account if they don't have one shop around and five one.
What are those paying that you're yeah, I'm, I got one. That's about five percent right now, but you can easily find one that are in the four range.
Yeah, four and five is, but I really don't. I'm not gonna try to get rich on this money, I just don't want to lose it and I want to. I want to be wise with it, which is what you're asking. Yeah, I don't want you pay a half a percent or something silly sitting in checking.
But yeah, I got to your time horizon. You don't want to go investing in the market and all of a sudden your account dip 20% because of a bad year.
Yeah, you're not going to buy a house because of the amount of money this account makes. You're gonna buy a house because of how wise you are putting money into this account. the savings rate for sure. That's where. that's where this money's coming from Johnson Rock Hill, South Carolina.
Hey, John. Welcome to the Ramsey show. Hey there. Thank you so much for having me better than how great man. How can we help?
All right, so my question is I'm on baby step number two. just kind of started following y'all stuff and I'm super stoked about it. My wife and I are teachers and we are set to have some loans forgiven, not through the public service loan Program, because I have learned through y'all that that is not a good route to go. But our state, South Carolina, will forgive loans for teaching in high areas of need. Wife is special ed teacher and I teach at a school with like low-income students.
Yeah, at what rate do they forgive it?
So I actually don't forgive it. They pay it.
Yes. Yes, So my mine can be. they will forgive up to five thousand after five years of teaching, five thousand dollars in five years.
Yes, that's nothing. Okay. What's the other one?
So they will forgive Seventeen thousand five hundred of my wife's after five.
Okay, so that's $5,000 a year? No, no, it's not five years. You said I'll eat. neither one of these were screwing with. y'all need to just get out of debt.
Just go ahead, because total we have sixty four thousand. Yeah, but twenty two, five of that is. you're waiting five years on.
$22,000. now, I don't. I want you to have a life.
Yeah, and you won't be locked in.
Forgive, like $10,000 a year, and none of the ones you're doing do that. So that's why I was asking how it worked. But um, no, that's not. that's not generous enough for me to be wanting to stay in debt and also to have the golden handcuffs. You may decide to change the direction of your teaching career, and you don't want a lousy thousand dollars a year motivating you on that.
Right. So follow up with that. I'll be to the point. I only have one year left until I could get that 5,000.
Well, that makes a difference. Okay? Yeah, I'll take it then if it's one year. I thought we were starting ready set. go today.
What about your wife? What about your wife? How long to the 17-5?.
Yes, sir. She has three years left. So that is a little more touching go.
I'm. I'm probably okay with both of those, now that you changed my time horizon.
Um, would you guys stay in those careers, in those areas? He just wasn't on the time here.
He will so take the five grand, but her three year. I will.
The. the question is with her special ed is just a very difficult field. Yeah, very strange. Your support is is not where it needs to be, and we have a one-year-old and one on the way, So her ability to stay in the field, we're not really sure with that. So yeah, I'm leaning towards like hey.
Should we just pay it off? I'm with that. I'm with that, all right, here's the other thing you could do and this is what I was going to recommend at the close of the call is Go ahead and set a separate savings account up with that amount of money in it, Mm-hmm to where you have paid it off. It's in your debt snowball, But you're holding the money and then the day she decides I want to be with my babies instead of the strain of strain of this job Boom, you pull a trigger right to check and it's done.
Okay, that's, that's, that's very smart. Okay, that takes a pressure off of her to stay in the job.
Past when she should, With little babies and then. but your five is gonna be here in 20 minutes. I mean right, right, you know, I'm at the foot. if you want to set that aside to until the five hits, it can, but It just gives you an extra bump towards your baby step. three, emergency fund then, because you still got what 40 grand left after, even after.
Both are would be forgiven.
Yeah, pretty much, unfortunately, but we both have masters in teaching and so, yeah, what's your household income? Household income is Teaching. the salaries is 105, and then I work in the summer. So it's about 115. altogether good for you.
Okay, good.
Very cool. Well, I mean you're gonna be okay, you're gonna be fine. It's just a matter of Kind of analyzing the. You know where the squeeze meets the juice, right? Mmm.
Yes, and yeah that I. So always, if even if there's a forgiveness program we go along with, we say set the money aside in savings, Which keeps, takes away the golden handcuffs. That's the big thing you want to do there. So good question, man, Good question. You sound like you're a good dad, a good husband.
proud of you. Keep it up. Happy New Year. This is the Ramsey show.
Live From the headquarters of Ramsey solutions, it's the Ramsey show where we help people build wealth, Do work that they love and create actual, amazing relationships. George Campbell, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. open phones at triple eight, eight, two, five, five, Two, two, five. thank you for joining us and Happy New Year to you. Dalton is with us in Indianapolis to start this hour.
Hi Dalton, welcome to the Ramsey show.
Hello, thank you for having me. Sure. What's up? So, about a year ago, Soon after I got my first job. I invested into an IUL due to talking to my parents financial advisor, and Since after having to kind of see some of your work and I saw I Want the videos you guys talking about it and I kind of look into it myself I kind of decided I would like to get out of this.
However, the problem is, is there the surrender charge? So I have about. I've been invested since last November and I have about like $1,300 invested. but if I were to try, I can't transfer it into anything else and if I try to leave it, I'd be left with $400 and The surrender charge isn't good away and feel like another 10 years and I've had to keep investing. So I'm not sure what to do about this.
Well, it sounds like you've lost $1,100 to me.
Yeah, and yeah, make note that this guy screwed you, Mm-hmm. putting you into this product. I mean put you in a product that the only way you avoid surrender charges is 10 years. Mm-hmm. Oh, man, how old are you?
21 good lord.
Man, I'm sorry, This is we file this one under stupid tax and we've all paid our version of it. But I hate that you have to deal with this and lose that 1100.
But it's not. the only other option is continue to pay the money and lose even more.
Yeah, what are you getting into this thing?
It's 150 a month. Whoo. What do you make? Um 22,000 a year. Oh, my gosh.
What do you do for a living? Dalton? I'm a diesel technician. Okay.
Well, um, As painful as it is and I'm hurting with you right now and I'm kind of angry at This character for putting you in this thing As painful as it is, I would stop Now and let me just tell you that here's an interesting story. I was 22 and a guy that was in the Fraternity that my wife had been. the little sister to the fraternity came to our house with Northwestern mutual, Sold me a whole life policy and I've got a finance degree. I should know better, Mm-hmm, and oddly enough, Dalton, that was a long time ago, But it was a hundred and fifty a month, and when I discovered like you have about a year in That I had to stop that I'd been screwed, Then I canceled it, and you know how much of my cash value I got zero. I lost about the same amount you're gonna lose, and I was 22 years old, But that doesn't mean that I would.
you know, it's staying in. it would have just been worse.
Yeah, you're gonna pay 1800 this year. just paying into that thing.
The bad news for Northwestern mutual in my case is is that I've gotten to tell this story now For 40 years about how they screwed me. They lost a lot of customers. Yeah, you know, It's cost them a lot more than the little bit of money They got out of me, and I've gotten almost as much satisfaction as the money they got out of me. So it was worth it. Yeah, but you're not gonna get that opportunity.
I doubt. as a diesel mechanic, You might. you might tell some other decent mechanics not to get new business with this particular guy. But yeah, I'm sorry, Dalton, it, but the actual, Actual, proper, correct thing to do is just if you have a hole in your pocket, sew up the hole, don't keep putting money in it.
Yep. Yeah, that's kind of why I figured. but um, you know, I just wanna make sure there was another option.
But you know, and don't be mad at your mom and dad. They don't know any better. The financial advisor should know better. But a financial advisor that sells universal life is not a financial advisor. a financial advisor The sells universal index is an insurance agent.
They're not a financial advisor.
Yeah, that's what I kind of started to learn, because my parents also are invested to him, and I found out what he had them On is also another life insurance product. So I think he just you know, he doesn't. yeah, he doesn't really do investments.
He just sells insurance. Yeah, he makes a lot of money on it, too, Like he made as much as you lost on this deal this year. Yeah, that's the other thing.
I talk about this, Dave. in my new book breaking free from broke, I have a whole chapter on investing traps and I took a lot of time on the Permanent life insurance section because too many young people are falling for this. It's you know, come back around, back around.
It's got, you know, the tick-tock idiots and have stepped up in a really hammer in this stuff.
Well, they call themselves Dave tax-free wealth strategists. That's what they don't call themselves financial advisors anymore, because it's it's cooler to call yourself a wealth strategist.
Here's the. here's the dumb butt part of that. Okay, Tax-free Wealth strategist. now, let me tell you how you get tax-free money out of a permanent life insurance policy Number one. you pay into it for years and years and years, 150, but I'm on past this thing.
He's got no value. He's got no cash value. right now, after a year of paying in 150, Just what we've been telling you for years. They keep it all. once you get past that, you finally build up a little bit of Horrible pocket change.
this poor returns, and you got two thousand dollars in there. You keep doing it for your whole stupid life, and that would be a stupid life. and you got 50,000 bucks in there, you know, you get your 50,000 bucks out tax-free, Or borrow it. Well, guess what? if you go the bank and borrow $10,000, it's tax-free.
Borrowed money never is taxed. It's dumber in hell, but it's not tax. It sounds cooler. Oh, my god, free in front of it. That's unbelievable.
Yeah, of course, it's tax-free, you idiot, Not you, thank you, not you, Dalton, but they know her. yeah, Dalton, but the Guy, I'm a tax-free wealth strategist. Well, of course you are the way you get your money out. you borrow your own stupid money out of this policy and you pay them Interest, of course, it's tax-free. Borrowed money has never got taxes on it.
That's dumb. Don't poke holes in their genius strategy, Dave. It's a cheat. There's a bunch of GMO. tax-free wealth.
This is the. I have. a hot take for every investor a hot day. go down the bank and borrow 15,000 bucks. That's tax-free.
Here's what I say I said permanent life insurance as a wealth building tool is a legal scam peddled by insurance agents posing as financial advisors. It gives them fat commissions and locks you into a lifetime of stupid tax. Dalton is exhibit a and luckily he's getting out. Hey, he's a. he'd be.
Dave did it before, it was cool. Now it's trendy on tick-tock. That's why it still makes me mad. Oh my goodness.
Of course the guy the fraternity bro, right makes it even work. You know, how long he was in the business About 20 minutes after he sold our policy. He was gone because that's 80% of those agents are out of the business in one year. so much turn 80%.
Well, they must lose their soul in the first three months.
Well, that's all that they don't lose their soul until they sold all their family and friends. There we go. And then, when they try to sell it to individuals who are actually using their brain instead of the relationship to make the sale, Then they find out they lost their soul. That's what happens, and they get out of the business. they run out of steam.
But the business is set up to the industry, set up to milk your your sphere of influence. So they put you in there as a greenie. They milk your sphere of influence, your natural, and they tell you go after your friends and young people and college students. serve your natural Market, oh gosh, with a tax-free wealth strategy. Shoot, brilliant.
Just shoot me. This is the Ramsey show.
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George Campbell, Ramsey personality, is my co-host today. Deanne is in Atlanta, Georgia. Hi, Deanne. Welcome to the Ramsey show. I.
Hey, what's up?
So my husband was laid off yesterday on New Year's Day. Oh Yeah, happy new year.
Hey, he is. he was a direct operation. so he was right under the owner for a luxury landscaping and hardscaping Company that works in Buckhead. They work on commercial homes and all kinds of stuff. So the business owner Basically has lost his behind and is dissolving everything, and we kind of have the opportunity to Not purchase the business from him.
Get the equipment, purchase the equipment for him from him, what he for, what he owes on it, and then He will give us his client book freely and he's been very open, like wants to. so he's closing up shop. He's closing shop and there's a lot of money left to be made on the book scheduled and he's washing his hands of it. So my question is like how? what's a lot of going out?
Um, Right now they probably have two to three months on the books and I think there's about $250,000 on the table. give or take on, the table being gross revenues, not counting expenses.
Right, correct. What will those? what will those jobs? net you any idea? I Don't know your husband's ops manager.
You gotta know his margins.
Yes. Yes. What would it cost for you to buy all the equipment?
so One machine he owes 30,000 worth 60. another he owes about 30,000.. It's worth 60. and then he has another machine. It's brand new, It's worth 30.
in it. He owes about 30.
Okay, what do you guys are having money?
We have about 30 to 40, 35 to 40 in cash just hidden away. we have 16 in the bank and.
We still owe 11,000 on his truck, his personal truck.
Do you have to buy all of the equipment for this deal to happen?
Would he give you the client book anyways?
He bought two, about the 230 over 60s and leave the 30 over 30 for him.
Yeah, he, he will give us the client book. No matter what. he's very, he's very encouraging and will be very helpful. He's very sad about the situation, you know, but I just gave up. He just gave up.
Yes, he did. He just gave up. Why did he lose his butt if there's all this money laying there? You know, I from an outsider's perspective? Honestly, I don't know, but they all drive Porsches.
They have a big old house in Buckhead and it just looks he's selling his house. He's found bankruptcy. It's just All not good.
Okay, Well, there's a lot going on here. number one let me stop with the last statement. if he files personal bankruptcy and Tractor number one is, he owes 30,000 on it and it's worth 60,000.. He can't sell it to you.
Okay, His plan was, he told my husband this week to take all the equipment that is owed on back to, Like the tractor company, and give it back to him and just say here, you know, I'm done, it doesn't matter.
Anything. if you buy it from the tractor company, that's fine. But here's the thing. anything that happens within 90 days of him filing bankruptcy That was an asset can be undone by the bankruptcy court. Oh Okay, it's called a preference period And you're not allowed to give one credit or preference over another.
So, for instance, those voluntary repossessions your husband takes the equipment over there, turns it in. That dealer is not going to turn around and sell it to your husband the next day. that $60,000 tractor for 30,000.
right.
and if your husband buys it for 30,000 and it's worth 60, the bankruptcy courts going to come in and say we could have got more than 30 for that tractor and Given it to the creditors Okay, and they're going to take it away from you.
Yeah, that's not good. No so.
This guy. he doesn't. If he is, if he, if he files bankruptcy 90 days from now, you'd be safe, Okay, but if he, if he files bankruptcy immediately, which it sounds like this guy's very.
Emotional impulsive, yeah, And it's probably gonna file soon because he's in freakout mode.
Yeah, he, yeah. Yeah, probably. Yeah.
ouch.
Okay,
What I would do, what I would do is do what he said to do and See if you can talk the dealer into selling it to you as you take the keys over there. Okay, but you need to turn it back into them and then, If it's been repoed, and what the bankruptcy court would then have to do. I'm not a lawyer, But I deal with this crap all the time. the bankruptcy court would have to come in, the trustee of the bankruptcy would have to come in and come to the dealer and say That repossession that you did. you've got to undo it, which they usually won't do that.
But they would undo an individual transaction that benefited Your husband versus the creditor. Okay, you see what I'm saying. Yeah, so here's our strategy. Okay. I mean I got, I got caught, I got down in the weeds there for a minute.
But yeah, the book of business you sound like you are excited about it is your husband. Yes, okay. You think he can take it and run it. So in that case, what I would do is the first thing you need to do is do an autopsy, and you really do need To know what the crap went wrong. Right, why this book of business is not worth hanging around for?
Okay, what, what is wrong? What is this guy doing? you doing cocaine? I mean, what's the deal? what happened here?
You know, I got to know if it's the business model that's broken. You don't need the book of business of a broken business model, Right. No, thank you. yes, I'll take the book of business if I can figure out what caused it. and if the book of business is clean and I can still cut the deals with those guys and they can, I can still make that profit.
I'll step into that and go do it, and then I would buy one or maybe two of these pieces of equipment with cash. Okay, if you can get them for 30,000 and they're worth 60.
So that's more cash than we have. so that was you have. no, you only have 30, you've got 40 and 8 and 16, right, Right. Yes. What do you guys?
what do you make?
Well, he did make about 80,000 a year and we pay, and I make. We paid off all of our debt. good, except the one truck, except the truck. Yes, I.
Quit my job working in the banking industry. Okay, so you, let me stop you. then you got 16 and you said you had 40. other Yes, 41 or something 40 in cash, 40.. Okay, so you got 56.
All right, you get one piece of equipment, you pay off the truck and the rest of it's your starter emergency fund.
Mm-hmm. Can you pull off the projects with that?
You can rip the equipment. go rent equipment.
Okay, yes, we could rent the equipment.
Yeah, rip the cash flow, the rest of the equipment. you do not let that dealer talk you into financing that equipment. Okay, don't go back in debt. It's not worth it. You'll get this and if this, if this business works, it will cash flow enough to buy equipment for cash.
I So just take your time, buy your equipment. take that which which of the two thirty Thousand-dollar worth 60s is the best deal and the best piece of equipment? take that one. If the dealer will tell it, sell it to you for 30. when you take it over there and turn it in on his former boss's behalf.
Okay, if they won't, if they try to jack it up Above the loan, then no, don't do it and do not buy it from your former boss. buy it from the dealer after repo. Okay, because the bankruptcy court will come take it from you.
Okay,
It's like, but it's like buying stolen goods from a fenced operation, kind of Gosh, even if you didn't know they're stolen. you're screwed when they could police come. Yeah, we don't want that. Yeah, that's where you're gonna end up. It's called a preference period in bankruptcy.
You can look it up. You'll see what I'm talking about. But yeah, I would buy, I'd spend 30 on this and I'd pay off my truck and I'd have a little bit of cash. And let's get going. Let's get going, resurrect this business.
That sounds fun. She's got her head around it. Oh, absolutely. That's what was giving me a lot of hope. I have hope for this.
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Thank you. How are you better than I deserve? What's up?
Hi, so me and my husband, We are on babysit to. we're almost done. We have about 12,000 left on our car and my husband keeps trying to convince me that we should trade it in Because we have, I guess, equity in it right now. And so we have 12,000 left. I, Kelly, bluebooked our car.
It's around 22,000. he is thinking we should upgrade to a bigger vehicle. So this value of the new vehicle would be 25,000, so about 3,000 more. And so I just wanted to see your opinion. I refuse to go to a lot because I don't, you know, want to make a bad decision.
So we have about six months left projected until we pay it off, and he just thinks we should Trade it right now and we're going to pay it off regardless this year. So that's kind of his mindset. I just want to get your opinion.
How old are you guys?
And we're 29, 28 and we've done this stupid 10 years of car payments and I'm so over it. But he just thinks we should upgrade to the biggest one, which is the Yukon. right now We have a GMC Acadia. So he's running the more. Why do you need to?
why do you need to upgrade?
His Reasoning, or I you know, the big reason would just be more room. We have four kids and So there's really no trunk space. so
It's. I know it's silly, but you do know they have large SUVs that are cheaper than 20, don't you?
Yes, does he?
Yes, he does so. part of the problem is we are not on baby step to you are mm-hmm? he's not.
Yeah, he's wanting to stay into debt. it sounds like he's trading in one car payment for a slightly bigger car payment.
Yeah, like his. his like view is because I told him, you know, You know, Billy Randy does it is we cash flow and then we trade it in and then we pay the difference, And he's like, well, why don't we just do that now and then pay it off? All that went, but I'm like, no, He's like, it's just three thousand more and I'm like, well, that's just well.
The dealer's not going to give you 22 for you traded in. No, that's true, too.
But but let's just stay with the concept for a second. The concept, though, is he's willing to be in. he's willing to continue to borrow money To get what he wants When he wants it.
Yes, you got a fifth kid in the family. You didn't even know it.
So I don't think the car is the issue. I think the car is revealing the issue that you all are not on the same page.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
And if I'm you, that's what's disturbing.
Mm-hmm.
Because here's what you would really do. if you want a bigger car, you would.
Buy an $18,000 one Instead of a $25,000 one, and that would get you out of debt faster and you'd have a bigger car.
Correct.
Correct. Yeah,
So, I think we have a discussion. I think the two of you need to have a discussion about the fact that the way you feel about debt and the way you feel when he acts this irresponsibly and Contrary to what you believe and how you want how you you thought we were, you know, it sounds like this, honey, I thought we were agreed, that we were getting out of debt and staying out of debt, and now you're coming in here and Extending the time that we're in debt to buy something that we obviously can't afford. Why didn't you come in here and suggest we buy something 18,000 That is larger? Because there's $18,000 SUVs out there? agreed, Agreed.
Yeah, and why didn't you bring that in? and then we'd had something to talk about, because I guess it's out of debt faster and We get a larger car. but instead You're scaring the crap out of me that I'm gonna have to struggle with you The rest of our lives on this money issue. This is really scary for me and you ought to bring that up to him that way. Okay, because you don't really.
you know, you laughed, but you don't really want to be married to a little boy. You want to be married to a man that's walking along beside you?
Yeah, shared goals, and it's not cute That you're the mommy. It's not fun for you. It's why I ask how old you guys are, because I was a little bit thinking you were a lot younger, honestly, Like you were 22 or something, and he still hadn't grown up, you know. But um, but maybe he's 29. and but you know, no, I would not go along with this.
I would not go to the dealership. I will not sign this. I don't believe in it. You're scaring the crap out of me, but the car is not the problem. The problem is that you would bring this in here, knowing how that's gonna make me feel That you disrespect me on that level.
If I'm you, that's how I'm feeling. Yeah, I'd be like, you know, let's pretend Sharon Ramsey came in and suggested we borrowed money. Can you imagine how that would go?
You know, I mean it's I'd get pay-per-view tickets to see. yeah, that would be a hillbilly knockdown. Oh my gosh, Unbelievable, that'd be a one of those fights, right? But I mean obviously we we've had those fights long ago when I'm married. we got past them.
But I want you. I'm really concerned that you use this opportunity that to get the two of you on the same page, more than I'm concerned about the car transaction.
and.
Maybe bringing up, we could buy one for 18.. Why didn't you bring me? that is a good way to start talking about it, But, most of all, if I were you, I would talk about how it makes you feel when he.
You know how it makes you scared That you know, he's gonna mess up everything after you guys have worked so hard to get it cleaned up. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, it's just. at least he didn't come in and go. I want to borrow $60,000 and buy a brand new something, you know, he didn't say that.
So he's still thinking he's never lining, still think he's gonna get paid off in a year. But but you know, that means he's kind of like a two, you know, on a scale of one to ten, right? He's not. he didn't go to it. He didn't take it all away.
We'll make the problem slightly worse. Yeah, Yeah, but but but the big problem is is that that's a slippery slope. I mean once you stick your toe in that water, the vortex will suck you in, you know, It's just like it's hard. to go on the lot of a car dealer and not leave without a car is dangerous. Yeah, because they're fabulous cars and they're even a sale, even if the salesman sucks.
the cars are fabulous.
So, looking at these new features and you're like, oh man, we've got a lot more room.
These little kids are on top of each other. I'm having, to you know, The one benefit, though, of having them on top of each other, as you can discipline them all at once. That's easier. Just you can reach them all.
That might be a that's the parenting style babies to do back in. I did. I grew up in the day when your mother would.
Reach across the backseat and you could not find a way. Oh, you could not get away. There was no escaping. There was no dodging. It's hard to do in the Yukon.
It was within. it was within reach. I'm just saying, well, some of them have automatics that do that. now, automatic moms. Is that a thing?
I'm kidding. That's a feature moms would pay for. I would pay for it as a grandparent. But there you go, just zap you in the seat if you're misbehaving. just a little zip, zip, zip.
There you go.
Oh, so yeah, The key here is either sell the car Private and you'll. she'd have 10k left after that and they'd save up and pay for a car with cash, or wait, pay it off, Then they can sell it on upgrade with cash either way. Well, if you want to reduce the debt, okay.
She said she owes 12.. It's worth 22. And if you sold it for 22 and you bought something for 18, you would only owe eight Mm-hmm, you know, and you pay that off in less than a year. Yeah, but that does. that's not really the strategy.
The reason for bringing that up is to point out That he didn't bother to go that direction. It was going. if he had gone that direction. I'd actually may be gone with him. You know, say sure.
Yeah, you want to move up in car and down in debt? That's a plan. up in size, but not in value. Yep, Actually, move down in value, going down in debt, but up in size. Yeah, I'm for that.
It's like people call up and say, you know, we owe $12,000 on our car. It's worth $12,000 Or $10,000 or whatever, or you know? But it's a. you know, we have a, you know A tiny little Honda or something, and we've got like two kids on the way. What are we gonna do?
Well, you can move to a $12,000 Van. it's a break-even scenario, but don't go further in debt. people use all these events to justify more further in debt.
It's so easy to justify going into debt, especially cars. Well David's, for the safety and reliability.
No, it's not. it's for you. It's for you. It's for you. little boy, little girl.
I want my truck.
That's how. that's how they sound. I want my tall here. my truck Sounds like that. I want my truck, my twat.
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Hi, Samuel, welcome to the Ramsey show. How are you doing better than I deserve? What's up?
I just have a quick question. my family, my parents, are in a financial ruin And I want to. I want to help them out, and so I just I need some help. I guess how old are you? 18?
What do you make?
37 a year.
What's the situation with your mom and dad, huh?
Well, my dad has been jobless for since we moved from Madison on four years ago, but Their plan was to, for summer, take us out I'm not camper and travel the United States and stuff, but my mom got stage four cancer. so he's been taking care of her for four years, and it's She's Like hospice and stuff, so I'm the only one that is currently working And I'm trying to help them as much as I can and I'm actually debating on getting a second job. That's one of the main reasons. I'm calling you.
So you're 37, 5 is supporting and he's taking care of your mom while she's on hospice.
Yes, but I'm getting a second job, so I'm probably pulling like $100 a week because I Got a bunch. I got money saved and savings and stuff like that, but I'm not paying their bills. I'm just paying for their gas and the phone bills like.
No, I'm living by myself, yes, but I'm still paying their part of their. you're paying for the what Their Wi-Fi, the phone bill, some of the propane. How are they eating if your dad's not working? My dad's living off his Roth IRA at 50 years old.
How much is in the wrong? I?
Bet he did not disclose, But it's bad.
What's the plan one once the Roth money runs out?
God only knows I mean I'm, I'm setting up. I have about $1,500 in investments, and I just opened up a Roth IRA Because my company that I work for doesn't get you to my 401k.
Tom 21,. so what, what, what hours do you work now?
Third shift, so I work a 7 to 7, 7 p to 7, a Yeah, 7 p.m.. 7 a.m.. Yep.
All right, and I'm cutting those. and can I be brutal for just a second, cuz? you're an awful situation, honey, I'm at my heart's aching for you. Yeah, how long is the doc say your mom's got?
Well, They just told her that she they can do no more like she's untreatable.
She's a tumor the size of a basketball. Yeah, and the hospice is saying she's got how long.
Don't know. she's just on a bunch of. she's on a morphine and that's other.
This is a matter. This is a matter of days and maybe a couple of weeks, am I wrong?
You know, I mean they gave her a month to live. that was four years ago, and by the grace of God, He's kept her alive, so We're just. I mean we're living on hopes and prayers right now, But I want to help them as much as my dream. I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to be mean.
I'm not trying to break your hopes or prayers, or not. I'm not messing up your miracle, okay? Yeah, I'm all in for that stuff, but um, if that, if the miracle doesn't come, It doesn't sound like she's in very good shape to me.
No, she's got. she has major edema, though. She can barely walk. um, she's swollen and My. the main reason I'm calling you now.
have any brothers or sister? Yeah, but I don't really talk to them because they do other things.
No other families helping.
All my grandparents are. my grandparents are taking care of my mom, while my dad is, uh, Doing like side side stuff, just getting X like he's Jobless, but he's got a friend that saw hires him for like a seasonal work. So but that just got done. so all that money went towards paying off the camper in the truck, but now he has nothing until He takes back his army, opens up his Roth IRA again.
Okay, um, your, your dad is able to work then, when your grandparents are there, And if you're able, I would prefer you to spend some of your day taking care of your mom and your dad to be working, And your dad needs to say and your dad needs to sell his camper.
That's um, that is. the main thing that I want to get to is that he's still living on the dream of Going with my mom and all of us and traveling the country, and that's holding him back.
You know, you don't even talk to your brothers sisters. You're not traveling the country with him, Oh, yeah, and your mom's not leaving with hospice in a camper.
He needs to grieve this dream and move forward with reality. somebody's gonna have to help your dad out, hon.
You working more is not the answer. I think your dad has got to make some changes And if you can help him to make those changes, and I don't know how you do that at 18 years old It's a big burden. That's what we pray for. I I don't. I Don't think you working and throwing another $300 a week at this is fixing it.
your dad's got to make some moves and I'm I'm so sorry you're facing this on what a horrible thing to have to go through when you're 18.. This is the Ramsey show.
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Welcome to the Ramsey show.
Hey, Dave, Watch some of your videos and stuff, some of your YouTube things, and I've put myself into.
Some major issues Started about three years ago, I guess, when I medically had to leave my job And it took me about a year and a half to even get Social Security disability going on. I am retired. I am retired military And I'm drawing military disability also, but I've had to borrow from some very high-tech, high-interest loan places in order to survive.
For the longest time and now I can't get out of the cycle because I can't get a consolidation loan to pay off all of them and Refigure my cash flow.
So, what is your military disability income?
Let's see.
Okay, so.
Military retirement. I bring home about nineteen hundred a month.
Social Security. I bring home about twenty four hundred and.
Disability is thirty nine.
Okay, on top of that.
Yeah,
All right, so you've got to make you got a. you got a two hundred dollars a month coming in.
Yeah, Yeah, the problem is with car payment and all my loans and Rent and bills and everything. I am showing out about 88.
How old are you? I'm 60. what's the nature of your disability?
A bad knees, bad back PTSD.
And the PTSD is what what cost the last job.
Mmm, no, the knees are back is what cost the last job. Okay, okay, Because I just I physically cannot work anymore. I can't sit for any long period of time. I can't Lay down for any long periods of time. I can't stand for any long periods of time.
You know, I just my back is completely shot. I have massive trauma in my back and my knees and The military is basically deemed me unemployable Because of physical restraints. I'm not supposed to pick up more than 10 to 15 pounds at a time. Yeah.
Are you? are you married? Yeah, what does she make?
Uh, she has a. She does a consulting business for a Company and but she doesn't really make anything. everything she makes she puts right back into it for right now.
And she really doesn't make a whole lot because she just got started with the company.
Doesn't sound like a good deal. Oh, nope. I'm pretty much having to cover everything.
And I'm sorry for the last two years, I'm sorry for the mission, you know, thank you for your service and, Or an incredible price you paid. Um, you know the I've spent the last two years Trying to rebuild my credit. You know, well, you don't need credit. credit is your problem. Um, what?
how much debt do you have?
All together.
Cars, credit cards and.
High interest loans, and how much do you owe on your? how much do you owe on credit cards?
Probably about eight. What do you own your cars? The one car that I owe on.
Is still got about 22 on it. Okay, and.
What? what is the other debt?
The high interest loans, okay, and how much of those?
If I were to pay them out completely.
We're looking at about 25 K. Okay. All right. You have a hundred K coming in, All right, and.
So I think the challenge is is that the two of you need to do two things. one is, you need to sit down together And get on a detailed, written budget. We're gonna put you into Financial Peace University and into every dollar, the world's best budgeting app. But I'm gonna pay for it as my gift to you to say. Thank you for your service.
Okay?
Okay, and but you make $100,000 a year, man. Yep. Okay, you can't work because of your physical condition. So you have zero need for a $22,000 car.
That's the life's car, you know, it's gone. shouldn't make any money. we're selling it. We're getting a cheap car. What are you doing?
What do you got?
2015 verse a note that's paid off. Okay, we need to get her something that's paid off.
Cuz, y'all are broke and you're out of control, and you're gonna have to do some radical things to get in control. And that's the two of you sitting down together. She needs to get a job that actually pays money, and then the two of you can make the hundred thousand you got coming in and the money that she actually makes and Get rid of a car payment, and then you can clear this up in less than a year. You don't have anything here. That's not doable, But you've just.
all this stuff has happened to you and the trauma Of this whole situation is caused you guys to get paralyzed and you're just not dealing with it. But you've got the math to deal with it. The math is there.
$4,000 $4,000 a month and you're debt-free in a year if you keep the car.
Yeah, I know, But that's the problem is, I don't you know.
Well, you got a coming in. do that. if I do that.
You know, then do I so? do I stop paying on stuff and just snowball it?
We're gonna pay off one at a time or I'm gonna pay off one of these high-interest loans. how many different loans are there?
Mm-hmm. I don't know. off the top of my head. There's a lot, but there's, you know, there's.
Amount, smallest, the largest, and take out $4,000 of them this month and take out $4,000 of next month. That's $8,000 of the 25.
Right, but that's the problem. I don't have. I mean you have eighty eight hundred dollars.
But that's what I'm saying. So do I take.
For do I just stop paying on minimums and you attack these? but you you're. you can do this. You can do this.
I think selling the car is gonna help out. freeing up that payment will give you a little bit at margin to start this.
Process, you know, and you've got to do a written game plan for your money. you write down $8,800 at the top of the page or eighty two hundred dollars at the top of the page, and then you work down into this. You should have. there should be margin in this. It should not all be gone.
Those interest rates. There's not enough, not enough debt here to cause that. Hang on. We're gonna get you signed up for everything as our gift.
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Slash Ramsey. today's question comes from Lauren in New Hampshire. She asks do your parents debts pass on to you after they die? things like credit cards or failed business debt? The age-old question.
So the question is is any of this debt in your name? It sounds like no, so let's assume that there's no debt in the child's name. parent passes away. They have credit card debt, failed business debt. My understanding is that this would come from their estate before anything gets paid out in the form of inheritance.
If your dad lives in an apartment and owns nothing and has $20,000 in credit card debt in his name, It does not pass to you. Credit card company will simply not get paid. He by. he died a pauper. He took the real money.
It does not pass to you. now. security owns a house That's worth a hundred thousand dollars and he has twenty thousand dollars in credit card debt and he dies. The credit card company will get paid out of the value of the house before you get a distribution. So the house is sold $100,000.
20,000 goes a credit card company. You're gonna get 80 if you're the only heir. that would be the way it works. So you're right. the estate would stand good for the debts, but when you die, what you own Stands good for what you owe.
debt does not pass Generationally in the United States, but it does come out of you. What would have been your inheritance if there is an inheritance now?
Have you seen creditors try to come after the family for debts?
Illegally, unethically and illegally. Yes, and people get scared and go. Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah, they.
they'll have some one of these debt buyers that buys stuff at pennies on the dollar and they'll buy, you know, a bazillion dollars worth of debt. and then they just start calling everybody in sight and They call you up and they go, your debt, your dad, You owe this because your dad, and just see if they can intimidate you into paying it. You know your dad died and they try to get you to pay it for your dad, you know, and You owe this and you're like, oh, we're gonna put it on your credit. They'll threaten you and lie and all that. Some of them are really really unscrupulous.
There was a real movement by the Federal Trade Commission a few years ago to shut a bunch of that down. There's, you know. another batch of things they find in the debt is, let's say, someone filed bankruptcy and the debt was discharged in bankruptcy Court, so you don't know it anymore, Legally at all, it was clear. They'll still try to collect it. just intimidate you.
It's well, I'm of you know, it didn't? it didn't. your bankruptcy didn't clear this. So we won't put it on your credit and we're gonna sue you and we're gonna see your wages, and they start yelling at you on the phone. and people, you know, people that are, You know, I don't know that that aren't mean and nasty like me, though They'll cave and give them a bunch of money, you know, and so, yeah, it happens all the time.
But, but it's not, it's, that's an illegal, unethical practice. So don't fall for it. Yeah, don't fall for it. But the point is not. you know, Lauren, you don't owe money.
if your mom and dad die with a bunch of debt, You don't owe their debt, but it will come out of the sale of their assets before you get an inheritance. That's the thing to remember. Ravi is in Austin, Texas. Hi, Ravi. How are you?
Good. How are you doing Dave? Better than I deserve. What's up?
So I have no debt on my name. there were some debt. I cleared it out last year. The only thing we have is our mortgage, which currently is at three hundred fifty thousand dollars. I Have a stable job.
I earn around hundred fifty thousand dollars from a job. I have a wife and two sons and I have two hundred thousand dollars in a savings account. I Cannot figure out if I should enlist in a real estate and then create a passive income, or are there other better options? that I should go for I?
Don't know if you'll like my answer, But if you filter this through the Ramsey baby steps, Which people have followed to become baby steps millionaires, you would be at what we call baby steps four, five and six. So invest 15% of your income or saving for the kids, college and any extra money. We're gonna throw at the mortgage principle.
So we have found that one of the keys to building wealth long term is to get a paid-for house in the mix.
And it's not. the one of the keys to building wealth long term is not Keep a two hundred or three hundred fifty thousand dollar mortgage while I go do real estate. that I learned on tick-tock.
Gotcha, that didn't come up. that never comes up. when we interview millionaires, What always comes up is we dump money in our 401k, our Roth IRAs, and we paid off our house. And I've got eight hundred thousand bucks in my 401k and my house is worth six hundred thousand dollars and it's paid for. and I'm fifty, Three years old.
That's a typical millionaire. And so eight hundred and six hundred is 1.4 million dollar net worth, right? That's, that's a typical millionaire. So we're always going to lead you first to be debt-free, which you've done. Congratulations.
Great job. Second, to have an emergency fund, that baby step. three of three to six months of expenses. and then exactly what George told you four, five and six. It's 15% of your income, which is just out of your hundred and fifty income.
going into retirement, say Starting kids, college funds. You can do that out of your 150 as well, which leaves the 200. I'm assuming you have other money other than just the 200, and I'm going to pay off my home as fast as I possibly can, then, and With you, I think, in your situation.
You're gonna have a paid-for home in two or three years and then you can invest even more and you can save up in a broker to count your max out retirement.
Incredible man, Robbie, what I did when I, when I followed that a thousand years ago. Yeah, I am, I'm still blown away to this day, and I know the math, I know compound interest, I know what it looks like, But I'm. I took an old house payment and rounded it up five hundred bucks when I paid off the house And I put that amount of money Into a separate mutual fund. and how fast that one mutual fund was a million dollars, blows me away to this day. I look back and I go that stink, and that was a breakthrough, You know.
and so That's why I know the math works, as I actually lived it and walked in it.
The key wasn't you leveraged at the key was you your savings rate. your income was freed up because you didn't have any payments.
I didn't pay off the house and then spend the house payment. I paid off the house payment and took the house payment plus some and invested that plus, invested more. But that one account just not having a house payment Mmm, how fast that one account became a million dollars in mutual funds was blows my mind. That's amazing. It's just amazing, a cool goal to have.
you take like 3,000 bucks a month. That's $36,000 a year going in. How come past that blows up? I mean, you're talking about five, six, seven years. It just blows up.
It's crazy. So yeah, but we don't think about investing three, four thousand dollars a month.
We don't think about what we're trying to do 17 things at once. Well, it's usually a problem exactly Amanda's in Phoenix.
Hi, Amanda. Welcome to the Ramsey show.
Hi, Dave. Thank you so much for having me. Sure. What's up? Hey, so, um, first of all, I just want to briefly thank you for everything that you do.
It's so important. I remember listening to your show when I was 12 years old on the radio, and Yeah, it's now I'm 25.. So I wasn't really taught much about finances growing up. I kind of have to teach myself, worked at the bank for years since I was 18, and so got married young Right, for six years. We're finally on the same page of like hey, finances are really important and we're realizing we kind of suck at Managing it.
So, um, we've gotten ourselves into a little bit of debt. I am feeling overwhelmed. I feel like I'm kind of in over my head with it. I'm just wondering where to start. we've got about 30,000 in auto loans, 7,000 in or more, like 10,000 credit card debt, but that's it.
We don't have a house. We're trying to save up for one, trying to get a savings. I just want to know where to start. how much in savings?
Ah, we've got about 500 right now. Oh, nothing. Yeah, and how much is your household income?
It is between 75 and 95 a year now, so we're in a good place to start doing that. How old are you guys? 25, okay. Oh, you said that earlier? I'm sorry.
Okay. Yeah, no, you're okay, All right.
So if we're gonna focus on one thing at a time and filter this through the baby steps, your next step would be baby step $1,000 in the starter emergency fund. you'll have that next paycheck, right?
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