India Train Crash, Biden Debt Ceiling Speech, China Tensions

2023-06-03 00:13:48

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A two train derailment in India has killed more than 280 people and injured more than

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900.

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Rescuers spent all day sorting through the wreckage.

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We'll have the latest details.

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I'm Aisha Roscoe.

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And I'm Scott Simon and this is Up First from NPR News.

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President Biden will soon sign a bill to raise the debt ceiling.

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In a speech from the Oval Office yesterday, he praised the deal as a feat of bipartisanship.

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No one got everything they wanted, but the American people got what they needed.

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We averted an economic crisis, an economic collapse.

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Also, the U.S. tests the waters quite literally between China and Taiwan, as the Secretary

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of Defense outlines renewed military interest in the Asian Pacific region.

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Stay with us.

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There is a day of mourning in India following one of the deadliest train disasters there

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in decades.

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Rescuers climbed atop the trains to break open doors and rip through metal with cutting

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torches.

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Journalist Shalu Yadav joins us now from Delhi.

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Thank you so much for being with us, Shalu.

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Good morning, Scott.

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Can you tell us what happened?

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Well, this horrific accident happened late on Friday evening in the eastern state of

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Odisha, in Balasore district.

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That's about 140 miles from Kolkata, when multiple coaches of a passenger train derailed

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before being struck by another passenger train, which in turn derailed as well.

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Now, there's a third train, a freight train, that's believed to be involved in the accident

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as well.

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Visuals on the television and social media show the coaches and the wreckage still lying

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on the railway tracks.

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Dead bodies being carried away from the spot, even as the scale of this tragedy is still

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panning out.

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Now, we have one of the survivors on tape, though unfortunately, we don't have his name.

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He said he woke up from the impact once the train derailed and saw multiple people piled

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on top of one another.

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When he left his carriage, he saw someone had lost their hand, another person had lost

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their leg, and someone else's face was disfigured.

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Officials say the death toll is expected to rise further as more bodies are found.

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The cause of the accident is yet to be ascertained.

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A probe has been ordered and the prime minister held a high-level meeting to review the situation.

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He's visiting the site today.

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Hundreds of people have reported to be injured.

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How are the local authorities in Odisha prepared to handle all the people who need help?

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First, Scott, the authorities as well as the hospitals are completely overwhelmed.

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There have been more than 200 ambulances there taking the injured to the hospitals.

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Those who survive have been looking desperately for their loved ones.

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And locals are rushing in large numbers to donate blood at the hospitals.

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In fact, they had been helping the rescue teams and provided them with supplies of food

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and water overnight.

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The National Disaster Response Force, along with the Rapid Action Force and police forces

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had all been working against the clock as every minute is precious to save lives in

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such situations.

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India's railway network is huge and dozens of accidents happen every year, some of them

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deadly.

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What kind of efforts are going on to try and improve safety?

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Yes, that's right, Scott.

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India's railway network is actually one of the oldest and largest in the world.

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It's always a work in progress.

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And yes, accidents are very common, despite the government investing hundreds of millions

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of dollars to improve the infrastructure.

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The latest accident is believed to be the worst India has seen in the last two decades.

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Now, such mishaps are mostly blame on human error or outdated signaling equipment.

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And we have to ask if there are any political implications from this disaster that might

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occur.

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Well, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been getting a flack on social media for the negligence

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that often causes such tragedies.

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People are asking why the government is spending more on high-speed trains when the older passenger

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trains remain outdated and prone to disasters.

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But politically, such tragedies often bring all parties together to look for solutions

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and immediate relief for victims.

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Even so, there are calls for the resignation of the railway minister, as many are saying

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that he should take responsibility for this tragedy.

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Journalist Shalu Yadav in Delhi, thanks so much for being with us.

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Thank you, Scott.

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President Biden bringing the debt ceiling drama to a close.

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Today he's signing into law a deal to raise the debt limit and avoid economic catastrophe.

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Biden spoke about the compromise in a rare address from the Oval Office last night.

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NPR White House correspondent Asma Khalid was watching.

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She joins me now.

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Welcome.

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Great to be here.

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So, Asma, this was the first time that this president has given a speech from behind the

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Resolute desk in the Oval Office.

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What was the point that he wanted to make last night?

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Well, he emphasized that this was a win for the country, that the U.S. avoided what could

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have become a financial catastrophe.

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And really, Ayesha, it was striking to me that he was rather effusive at moments in

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his praise for the Republican speaker, Kevin McCarthy.

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Biden emphasized this notion of bipartisanship.

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I know bipartisanship is hard and unity is hard, but we can never stop trying because

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a moment like this one, the ones we just faced, where the American economy and the world economy

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is at risk of collapsing, there's no other way.

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You know, Biden campaigned for president in 2020 as a consensus builder, someone who could

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find compromise.

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And that is, in fact, what he has done throughout this debt ceiling debate.

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But I do think there was another message he was trying to send last night, and that was

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more political.

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You know, he highlighted his own political Democratic priorities.

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He spoke about being able to protect things like Medicaid and Social Security and also

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spoke about some of the things he still wants to achieve, like raising taxes on the wealthy.

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We've heard a lot about the debt ceiling over the past few months and how important it is

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to try to avoid default and what the impact would have been.

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So why Biden bother to make these remarks at all?

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Like we already knew this was important, right?

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You know, I think part of this was just a matter of setting the record straight.

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I mean, throughout the debates on the debt ceiling, the president was reluctant to talk

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to reporters about the negotiations.

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And that was in stark contrast to Republicans who were constantly talking to the press.

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The White House has often said that Biden does not like to negotiate in public.

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This speech was, I think, an opportunity for him to, you know, look presidential, seem

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above the fray.

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And it also comes at a time when the 2024 presidential campaign is starting to heat

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up.

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It allows the president to provide some contrast with the Republicans in the field who we saw

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all last week were, you know, quibbling amongst themselves.

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I also think it's a reminder of how he has said he intends to govern, to go back to this

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issue of bipartisanship.

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And it was also, you know, an answer to some on the left who really wanted to see him make

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a bigger case for his own priorities throughout these talks.

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Polling has shown that many people are worried about the economy and don't approve of the

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way Biden has handled it.

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So does this debt ceiling deal help alleviate some of those concerns?

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I mean, that's a great question.

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The president said yesterday that because this deal is in place, the economy can continue

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to soar. You know, if you look at economic data, you saw new jobs numbers yesterday.

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They continue to be rather robust.

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Inflation has been coming down for 10 consecutive months.

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Prices are dropping.

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But at the same time, this debt drama has created questions about whether the country

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is totally in the clear.

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You saw Fitch Rating Service warn yesterday that it could still downgrade the U.S.

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credit rating. And I spoke with the Democratic pollster yesterday, Celinda Lake, who said

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that voters seem to be beginning to feel a bit more positive about the economy, but

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they're still anxious, particularly around prices and inflation.

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And they're nervous about whether or not the stability is, in fact, here to stay.

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She told me that voters need to see these positive economic trends continue for a number

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of more months in order to really feel confident and ultimately for Biden to ultimately

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get the kind of political credit that he is seeking.

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NPR White House correspondent Asma Khalid, thank you so much for this.

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My pleasure.

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Military leaders from around the world are meeting this weekend in Singapore.

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Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was there.

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He challenged China to reopen lines of communication between the two countries'

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militaries. For responsible defense leaders, the right time to talk is any time.

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The right time to talk is every time.

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The right time to talk is now.

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Right as he was talking, the U.S.

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took a step that suggested it isn't just going to play Mr.

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Nice Guy. The U.S.

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sailed a Navy ship through the Taiwan Strait.

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NPR's Emily Fang is in Singapore.

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She's covering the meeting, as you'll tell from all the background noise.

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Emily, thanks so much for being with us.

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Thanks for having me.

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And tell us more, please, about Secretary Austin's speech.

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What did he lay out as U.S.

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priorities in the Asia-Pacific area?

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Well, much of his speech was to show how the U.S.

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military is reorienting itself back to being a maritime power in the Pacific.

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Because remember, the last two decades, the U.S.

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military was primarily in the Middle East.

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But now they're pivoting back to the Asia-Pacific,

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which means it's expanding its military drills with Asian partners and allies.

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Austin talked about sharing new technology with Australia and Japan.

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And one of the big questions is where the U.S.-China

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military relationship is headed, because earlier this week,

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China rejected an invitation from the U.S.

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for their two defense chiefs to speak.

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And China has cut off direct communication channels

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between the two militaries since last summer.

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Now, last night, the British think tank that organizes this summit

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called the Shangri-La Dialogue, they conveniently seated Secretary

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Austin next to China's Defense Minister Li Xiangfu at this dinner we were all at.

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And the two did shake hands.

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They said hi to each other. But that's about it.

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And as you just heard in the intro, Austin said the U.S.

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is ready to talk to China more substantially.

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But at the same time that he was speaking, the U.S.

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Navy and the Canadian Navy, by the way, sailed a warship each

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through the Taiwan Strait near Taiwan, which China claims as its territory.

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And how did China respond?

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Anyway, in particular?

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Well, China's defense minister is yet to speak,

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so we will hear more from him tomorrow.

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But I managed to interview Lieutenant General He Lei.

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He helps head the Chinese Military Academy in Beijing,

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and he dismissed Austin's speech as a gesture for a public show only.

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He says if the two defense chiefs were to meet,

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we need to first get rid of unilateral sanctions.

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The U.S. keeps trying to push back on China's bottom line

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and threaten its core interests.

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So the conditions were just not there for a meeting.

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And Lieutenant General He is referring to the fact that back in 2018,

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the U.S. actually sanctioned the man who just this year became

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China's new defense chief, Li Xiangfu.

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So China wants those sanctions dropped first before they agree to any meeting.

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And they want the U.S.

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to back off militarily in the Asia-Pacific, stop those close exchanges with Taiwan.

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That's the island China claims as its territory.

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But the U.S. has a strong interest to protect.

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And Emily, are those conditions the U.S. could possibly meet?

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I mean, it sounds like they're creating circumstances for more disagreement.

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You're right, because Secretary Austin just laid out

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the significant investments the U.S.

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military is making to buy new weapons, develop new weapons,

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share those with partners in the Asia-Pacific.

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And in his speech, he made clear the U.S.

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is not trying to create an alliance like NATO in the Pacific,

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but China doesn't believe him.

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They're genuinely afraid this is happening.

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And China just doesn't believe the promises or gestures the U.S. has made.

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It's demanding things the U.S.

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is committed to as critical defense strategy, and it's not going to back away from.

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And here's Emily Fang in Singapore.

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Thanks so much. Thanks, Scott.

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And that's up first for Saturday, June 3rd, 2023.

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