Sudanese Refugees, Texas's Floating Border Barrier, Georgia Election Case

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War in Sudan has forced as many as a million people to flee to neighboring countries.

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Our co-host Michelle Martin is witnessing a humanitarian disaster.

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From Chad, she shares refugees' stories.

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I'm Steve Inskeep with Leila Fadl, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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A federal judge rejected Texas's floating border barrier, which the state claimed it

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needed to prevent illegal migration into the state.

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Governor Greg Abbott says he will appeal.

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Is this headed to the Supreme Court?

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And state prosecutors in the Georgia election conspiracy case say they want all 19 defendants

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to stand trial next month.

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The judge says not so fast.

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It just seems a bit unrealistic to think that we can handle all 19 and 40-something days.

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What's the timeline for the Georgia-Rico case?

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The annual United Nations General Assembly in New York is about to begin.

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Yeah, world leaders gather in New York City.

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It's like a giant cocktail party where everybody is the head of a country.

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Some will take the occasion to make statements on world events.

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The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations is making her statement a few days in advance.

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Linda Thomas-Greenfield is thousands of miles away from New York.

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She traveled to the border of Sudan to call attention to the roughly one million people

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who have fled a war there.

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Joining us this morning from Chad's capital, Jemena, is our co-host, Michelle Martin.

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Good morning, Michelle.

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Good morning, Leila.

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So you and your team are on a trip with the ambassador.

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What makes this issue so important to her?

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Why is she making this trip?

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Well, Leila, I think she would say that this is important to the world.

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But as a career diplomat, she's seen this kind of mass exodus before.

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And she had very strong words about the level of suffering that people are experiencing.

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She said that there are days in life that you know will haunt you.

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And this was one of them.

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And yesterday, you were near the Sudanese border with the ambassador in a place where

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Sudanese refugees come across.

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What did you see?

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Well, Leila, first, I just want to help people understand the scale of this.

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I mean, we've been using these numbers, like nearly 400,000 people have crossed since April.

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OK.

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Hard to wrap your mind around that many people leaving their homes and everything they own

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in that short of time and gathering in one place with, you know, what they can carry

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along with all their family members.

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Second, the obvious suffering.

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The medical NGO Doctors Without Borders has set up a field hospital and there are severely

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malnourished children there.

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The two week to nurse, two week to cry.

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You know, we've seen this before, but it's still shocking.

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And then third, just the stories from the people themselves.

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I mean, we were able to speak with a number of people who were staying at the camp.

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But their stories were very similar and very disturbing.

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They describe being caught in the middle of fighting, being attacked in their homes.

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I just want to just play a little bit from a conversation we had with one man surrounded

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by his large family.

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His name is Salah Ahmed Omer.

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And he told us why he felt he had to leave.

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They enter our home by gun and frighten the women.

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And even I have this daughter.

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This is sensitive issue.

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So I have to talk it in separate side.

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So you heard him say there that this is a sensitive issue and I don't, basically he's

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saying I don't want to talk about this in front of everybody.

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But the ambassador spoke privately with a number of women about what they experienced.

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We were not privy to that.

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And I will say that there are credible allegations of sexual violence.

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And these are one of the factors that led the U.S. to impose sanctions and visa restrictions

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on two high ranking figures in one of the militia groups that's involved in the fighting

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in Sudan.

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So last month the U.S. during its U.N. Security Council presidency for the first time hosted

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a briefing on Sudan.

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Now this trip.

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Is this the way the U.S. is working to keep this humanitarian disaster, this conflict

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at the forefront of the international community?

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Yeah, Leila, the ambassador has been very explicit about this.

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I mean, she has said that there just has not been enough attention paid to this disaster.

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You cannot but notice that this trip is taking place at the very same time that the U.S.

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Secretary of State is in Kyiv.

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And I think that there is a concern, stated or unstated, that other issues are pushing

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this from the spotlight.

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The argument here is that the international community, there is a reason the U.S. has

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multiple diplomats, but she did express concern that this issue isn't getting the attention

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it deserves.

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She says the U.S. is going to do its part, but that this issue requires the attention

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of the international community to help alleviate the suffering of the refugees, but also to

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stop the fighting that has caused them to flee their homes to begin with.

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Our co-host, Michelle Martin, reporting from Chad.

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Thank you for this important work, Michelle.

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Leila, thank you.

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A federal judge in Austin ruled that Texas' controversial floating border barrier violates

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federal law and must be removed from the Rio Grande.

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The judge says the United States controls the border of the United States and a state

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has no business enacting its own policy.

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That's a setback for Texas Governor Greg Abbott.

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His administration set up the barrier made of giant buoys and saw blades to stop people

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from swimming across.

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Joining us now is NPR's Joel Rose, who covers immigration.

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Good morning, Joel.

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Good morning, Leila.

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So tell us more about what the federal judge ruled.

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Sure.

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So Senior District Judge David Ezra in Austin ruled against Texas and Governor Greg Abbott,

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who had approved this 1,000-foot barrier in the river between the city of Eagle Pass,

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Texas, and Mexico.

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The judge found that Texas needed permission from the federal government to put the barrier

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in the river.

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Ezra was appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan.

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Nonetheless, he agreed with the Biden administration's argument here that the barrier interferes

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with public safety and navigation of the river.

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The judge granted a preliminary injunction in the case.

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He ordered Texas to move the buoy barrier to the shore by September 15th and not to

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place any more barriers in the river while this case plays out.

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Now, Texas Governor Abbott has repeatedly argued that this floating barrier is necessary

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for Texas to defend itself.

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What did the judge say about that?

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Yeah, I mean, there's an argument here that we've been hearing a lot from Republicans,

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that the border states, including Texas, are facing a, quote, invasion, unquote, of illegal

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immigration and drug smuggling at the border.

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And that, therefore, the states are justified in taking on a bigger role in immigration

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and border enforcement, which traditionally has been solely a federal responsibility.

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Lawyers for the state of Texas made a version of that case in court, where it is still a

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fairly novel argument to try.

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Judge Ezra did not buy it.

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I mean, he said pointedly that this is a political question for the federal political branches

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to sort out, not the kind of claim that federal courts can decide.

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Joel, what did Governor Abbott say after this ruling?

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Abbott immediately said that the state will appeal.

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He called the ruling incorrect, said Texas is rightfully stepping up to do the job the

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Biden administration should have been doing all along.

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You know, and he vowed to continue what Abbott calls Operation Lone Star.

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The governor says this is about securing the border.

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His critics have called it a reckless political stunt.

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They're concerned that this floating barrier may have contributed to injuries and even

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drowning deaths in the river.

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And this is just one of Abbott's efforts at the border, right?

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How does this one element fit in with the rest?

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Yeah, this is part of a multibillion dollar effort that includes sending thousands of

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Texas National Guard troops to the border, putting up miles of razor wire, and also busing

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newly arrived migrants all over the country to New York and other cities that are struggling

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to house them.

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Abbott has really been trying for years now to paint the Biden administration as soft

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on illegal immigration and to describe the border as dangerous and out of control, when

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in reality, the vast majority of these migrants are fleeing from violence and poverty and

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turning themselves in to the border patrol to seek asylum.

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Abbott's critics would say all this effort has not really discouraged migration or drug

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smuggling.

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The vast majority of illicit drugs like fentanyl are smuggled through official ports of entry,

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virtually none carried by migrants who are waiting, you know, through the river in Eagle

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Pass.

3Speaker 3
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And really briefly, what's next?

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, this is likely headed for the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has frequently

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sided with Texas and other legal challenges, and maybe from there on to the Supreme Court.

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NPR's Joel Rose, thank you so much.

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You bet.

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At least two of the defendants in the Georgia election interference case will go to trial

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next month.

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That's after a hearing televised live yesterday in Fulton County Superior Court.

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It offered a glimpse into how complex this case is likely to be.

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Prosecutors say they expect that any trial would take four months, and they would expect

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to call some 150 witnesses.

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Georgia Public Broadcasting's Stephen Fowler was there for the Atlanta hearing and joins

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us now.

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Good morning, Stephen.

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Hey there.

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So tell us what this hearing was and what we learned from it.

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So two defendants, Kenneth Chesbrough and Sidney Powell, both wanted speedy trials and

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to be tried by themselves.

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Lawyers argued their alleged crimes were different from each other and hearing about the other's

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case could sway the jury.

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Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee disagreed and said both go to trial October 23rd.

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As for the other 17 defendants, he seemed skeptical that all of the rest of them, including

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former President Donald Trump, could be tried in about six weeks' time, citing a flurry

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of motions and other legal questions raised.

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If we compress our timeline to 40-something days, our ability to even be able to really

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weigh those and think through these issues again, it just seems a bit unrealistic to

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think that we can handle all 19 and 40-something days.

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We do expect more clarity in the next few days from McAfee about the trial scheduling

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for others and from a federal judge deciding if any cases go there.

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As we mentioned earlier, prosecutors said they'd plan for a four-month trial and 150

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witnesses.

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Seems like a lot.

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What stands out to you about that?

5Speaker 5
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Well, the DA's office still argues, Layla, that all 19 people should go to trial together

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at the end of October.

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But they also say that four-month, 150-witness timeline would apply no matter how many different

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ways you slice it, no matter how many different trials there are, how many different ways

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people are split up.

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Due to the sprawling nature of this alleged conspiracy, here's Will Wooten with the DA's office.

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The state's position is that whether we have one trial or 19 trials, the evidence is exactly

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the same.

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The number of witnesses is the same.

5Speaker 5
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Basically, they say this racketeering case is a multi-pronged effort to undo Trump's

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election defeat, and you've got to show jurors every single piece of the puzzle to show how

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specific pieces might be against the law.

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Also, Layla, the timeline doesn't include jury selection.

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It's important to note just a few floors away in the Fulton County Courthouse, there's another

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RICO case against Young Thug, the rapper, and others that's seen their jury selection

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process take about eight months, and they still don't have a single juror seated.

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A really complicated case.

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Let's talk about another aspect of this hearing.

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We're hearing from inside yesterday's hearing, which is because it was streamed live on TV

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and on the judge's YouTube page.

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How notable is that?

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For one, it allows more than just a handful of journalists and legal observers to tune in.

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This indictment centers around things like phone calls, and has victims and poll workers

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that were allegedly harassed, and so seeing and hearing this testimony and the lawyers

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in their own words is definitely going to have a bigger impact.

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Now, this Georgia state court decision differs from the other three Trump indictments where

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cameras aren't allowed, so think of it this way.

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The access plus potential timing could very well mean much of the country gets reacquainted

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to steps that Trump and others took to overturn the 2020 election about the same time they

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decide if they want to send him back to the White House or not.

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Stephen Fowler of Georgia Public Broadcasting.

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Thanks, Stephen.

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Thank you.

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And that's Up First for Thursday, September 7th.

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