2024-03-25 00:58:30
After 25 years at the Late Night desk, Conan realized that the only people at his holiday party are the men and women who work for him. Over the years and despite thousands of interviews, Conan has never made a real and lasting friendship with any of his celebrity guests. So, he started a podcast to do just that. Deeper, unboundedly playful, and free from FCC regulations, Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend is a weekly opportunity for Conan to hang out with the people he enjoys most and perhaps find some real friendship along the way.
Hi, my name is Kristen Wiig.
And I feel warm about being Conan O'Brien's friend.
Okay, Kristen, I think that's just the temperature in the room.
Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walking blues, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are going to be friends.
I can tell that we are going to be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan. O'Brien needs a friend joined by my crew. You guys are my crew.
Do we get a say in this? No, you don't, okay, you're just my crew. We pull off bank heists on the weekend.
Oh, now I'm in, okay, you're the guy in the van who knows everything about software and open the vault. What do I get to do?
Oh yeah, David Hopping is here as well. You're the muscle. Yeah, this is....
I'm really strong, yeah, he said. Lifting pages Yes, whenever we're threatened by lots of security or something, you lift pages of an introduction.
It works every time and toss it to the side. What's happening in the world of our podcast? I understand there's been some chat on the socials and we need to address this.
This is what I'm told. For instance, you'll notice that Sona isn't here today for the intro segment of this episode, but she will be for the interview. And I think you were saying, that can't happen, and I was saying, the audience knows that we record different parts at different times, sometimes we record things a little bit out of sync.
Mostly we don't, but sometimes we do. And you said that this caused a bit of a theory to emerge from someone on the internet who was telling me this. I don't remember who was telling me this, but I think it was on Reddit that there was a discussion going on. About whether we change clothes to make it seem like we do everything linearly and in real time, that the actual forethought of us bringing in costume changes.
And now I love that anyone who listens to this podcast regularly. Thinking that we would put that level of thought or preparation that we would think, wait a minute, this has to match. We're going to be chatting, but then we'll be talking to Kristen Wiig. So you have to put on your Oxford shirt that you were wearing then, and I have to put on my Beekeepers outfit that we were wearing. When we talked to Kristen, No.
No, because this is on YouTube and people can see. But the thing that cracks me up is most of the time you can see that we aren't wearing the same clothes. You know, it's fascinating and so like, David is here with us today, but won't be for the interview and won't be for the third segment. I would like to point out I don't do anything for the podcast, but I do change my clothes multiple times a day.
Like an Elton John, kind of, have you always done that? Yes, I have like nine different outfits, and I have a guy named Scott Cronick who's upstairs and he's. And just for no reason. Even when I'm just here and basically doing clerical stuff, we're not even recording.
We're not.
I have as many as nine changes. Oh my god, yeah, because I'm in show business, I see.
You know, whatever, I wouldn't understand, you wouldn't understand. No, I wouldn't. You know, you've, of course. I know you've been in podcasting for a long time, but you can be a camp counselor.
And then you over here, you're not really in show business. The way I am, I have to constantly be seen as an iconic entertainer. I have Bob Mackie outfits upstairs every now and then, I'll go out to lunch next door, and I'm just suddenly I'm wearing a glittery skirt and a feather boa.
You change at lunch. Yeah, you got anything by Botany? 500? Yes, I do okay.
I should add that part of that theory was that they noticed that us back here we wear the same clothes while you guys are wearing different clothes. Is that right? How did that happen, right? So they were like, Well, it must be, because, look, Adam's wearing the same thing and Eduardo's wearing the same thing and Blaise wearing the same thing, but they're wearing something different.
So why are you guys always wearing the same stuff? Are you guys doing costume change? Maybe you should. I wish I could afford more clothes, oh, for God's sake.
Give him a raise, or fire him so he can get a better paying job. fire him so he can get a better paying job. Oh, here we go, okay?
Here comes Adam is going to join the fray, by the way, wearing the same goddamn sweatshirt he wears every day. Are you like Mr. Rogers? You just have that hanging on a hook here at the studio and you put it on every time?
Why are you wearing that same thing every day? Okay, first of all, I alternate between two hoodies that I keep in my office because it is freezing in the studio and when I'm walking around the halls. So you have two hoodies. Okay, Zuckerberg?
That works for me, and I wear them in here because it's really, really cold and then I take them off when I get out. But I was searching to try to find this Reddit thread and I did find it here. I don't know if you have a better reading voice than I do, but you can see what you have a wonderful. The Chilchums record multiple intros a day and switch outfits to look like they recorded on different days. I was watching the two intros today, where Conan confronts Matt about the Mall Walking podcast.
At the start of the second intro, Conan says Today I learned about Matt's podcast, implying that the two intros are filmed on the same day. However, by looking at the video, we see that their outfits all changed, while the crew remained the same. My theory is that they probably record a lot of intros in a day, which is true. It wouldn't make sense of them to only record 15 minutes a week plus the guest interview anyway.
I have one guess, yeah, that this fan believes. 11 people shot. Kennedy Yeah, yeah, that's the kind of thinking that takes you down that road.
Here's a peek behind the curtain, for instance, today it's planned to go on the Kristen Wiig episode, but we're dressed in the same clothes. If you watch the YouTube clip of the Melinda French Gates interview, because we did that interview today, but we recorded the intro for Kristen Wiig.
And we know that this is today because this is the day you had the small stroke. What do you mean by that?
I also love the idea that we're doing this to commit the perfect murder. That's what this leads me to is that we are shooting things out of sequence and changing outfits. So that later on, when someone says, Oh my God, pick anyone, I'm sorry David, it's going to have to be you, but David's been murdered. We can say, Hey, that day. Look, we have footage of us. That was the day Melinda Gates came in, or that was the day and we're off the hook.
And there's some listener out there with a bare apartment. Yarn, yes, red yarn, and calendar dates and pictures of our costumes, right?
And it's happening.
Don't you think, though, that all the files have dates and times? Like if they really wanted to find my murderer?
No, they won't go that far. Yeah, can I just say, David? they gave up so quick? David, don't take this personally.
I'm about to take it personally. No, don't.
But they're going to bag you, tag you, ship you back home, and there will not be much of an investigation. You know what I mean, sure, countless young people like you come to the big city. I will invest.
Your dreams don't work out and then you're just shipped home. Yeah, true crime, David's murder, somebody did say.
You had a stroke? Yeah, are you okay, buddy? There's something in the air I am worried about.
I can't touch. The only thing that surprises me about this is that they change outfits for a mostly audio medium, so people are buying into this. Yeah, it's not true.
No, but I guess me saying it's not true only makes it. It stokes the conspiracy, it stokes the conspiracy theory. That's great, though.
Let's let this conspiracy build and rise. Also, what I do applaud is people paying that much attention. I mean, I do appreciate that our fans are really paying attention. If we had uniforms, this wouldn't be a problem, that's right.
Hey, I want uniforms and I will pay for the uniforms. If someone can make this happen. I was supposed to do. Matt's going to design them, I want us to wear.
And again, the inspiration for this came from Jack White and Third Man Records, where, you know, Jack has everyone in his entourage wearing these cool outfits. And I'm like, that's what we need. Okay, we need everyone at Team Coco Conoco, whatever we call this thing now.
I forget there's so many entities that at Conan, Inc. I want everybody wearing a similar outfit, except for me, and I want to wear Admiral's epaulettes, just Admiral's epaulettes.
Just Admiral's epaulettes. Let's just say, Okay, next week we're not recording, I'll get on this.
Good, oh, that's just. But why aren't we recording next week? Conspiracy theory? Oh, that's right.
Because we don't have a costume, because Conan's in the Pacific Northwest, committing some insane crimes, committering everyone's got it.
Oh my god.
All right, all right, enough of our tomfoolery and skedaddlery. My guest today is a hilarious actress, comedian and writer, you know, from Saturday Night Live, Bridesmaids and Barb and Star.
Go to Vista del Mar. She now stars in the new Apple TV Plus series Palm Royale. I am beyond thrilled.
Kristen Wiig welcome.
I am so happy that you're here. Oh, thanks, because I remember when you got cast on SNL and absolutely adoring you. And thinking like, this is the. I think this is like the funniest person I've seen. Yeah, and I say that this will not air.
Period.
Period, we're going to find a way to block it. To all the other SNL people I've talked to, so they never hear that, but you're just so insanely funny and I met you.
We had you on the show and I was just one time and we didn't get to really connect again. And so, if nothing else, when I found out that you were going to come in today, I was just thought, this is my chance to tell you just how blown away I am by you.
Thank you.
As a performer, singer, songwriter, dancer, I'm just making up things you don't probably do.
I do those things.
You're a dancer.
I mean, no, I used to dance, I've danced.
Yes.
You do a character Gilly, and Gilly has an intro number and does a dance to it. And I love good physical comedy, and it's one of my favorite things when you break into, first of all, I think, all characters.
Michael the other day and we worked together at SNL and we were talking about, Yeah, I like him fine. But we thought that we were talking about. A sketch that we wrote for Tom Hanks called Mr. Short Term Memory.
And how we insisted this is like 1988, that no, that it has to have a theme song, and I remembered Lauren was like, No, it doesn't need sketches, don't have theme song openings, and we said, No, it has to. And we had a whole animated opening where Tom Hanks's character gets hit by a pair sitting under a pear tree.
Wait, it was animated.
It was like, Yeah, he's like, sitting under, you know? It's Mr. Short term memory. He never should have sat under that pear tree. now he has no memory, but he'll never know. And you'll love it.
Whatever, he'll frustrate you. So because he's Mr. Short term anyway, we wrote this whole theme song.
And I always thought, I think it should be a law that all sketch characters have a ridiculous theme song that wastes time.
It's a good way to get rid of the nerves, I got to say.
Well, that's a great.
Yeah, because you're like dancing and shaking, and then you're like, OK, I don't know, because it's obviously a very nerve wracking job.
Yeah, it is a nerve wracking job. You wouldn't know it looking at your performances, but I remember you doing the Ghillie dance. And the dance incorporates maybe nine different, very distinct moves that probably aren't supposed to all go together. Probably not so funny.
Thank you.
It's so funny.
That means a lot coming from you, Conan.
Well, I appreciate that, but I just I was your your body of work on SNL alone, just not even getting into your other tremendous work is crazy. You're so prolific and then to hear you say, Well, it gets out the nerves. And I think it is nice for people listening, and probably revelatory that they hear.
Kristen Wiig has nerves.
Oh my God, yes, I think if you, I would be worried about myself if I didn't, especially with SNL because it's live. Yeah, you feel like you want to throw up every show, you know, I mean, the good, I always say, the good thing is because you have dress rehearsal, so you kind of know what sort of works.
But you know, there could be things that work and dress. And then you're like, waiting for the some sort of giggle, and then it's silent during air. That happens, that happens all the time.
A false positive.
Oh, there's nothing worse is.
Well, actually, in medicine, it's a very good thing, sometimes you're not dying, so sometimes it works out. But a false positive in comedy.
And what would happen? Sometimes it's it's rare, but something can really do well at dress. Usually doesn't happen. But it's a different crowd and then what happens is they do the air show.
In the air show, sometimes, that's when all the executives got their friends in. Lauren has some pals there. Just a lot of people are coming in, and so there are different crowd, maybe a little more entitled.
Maybe they've seen the show a bunch.
It's just such a. I mean, I remember Charles Barkley was hosting and I wrote a sketch with Jillian Bell and it was for the writers room. It got the best reaction I've ever had in the history of the time that I was there. I mean, like, people were clapping, we're like, Oh, this is going to be a really great sketch.
And when I tell you when we went to dress and you know when, like, the first joke comes out and like, that's the sketch. So if they're not going to laugh at that, you've got about. It. Feels like 18 minutes of like silence. It was so silent and I was just looking at other people in the sketch, like Andy and Bill.
They're like looking at me, laughing like this is going. So it was just absolutely silent. I couldn't even predict that that was going to happen. But it's good also because then it kind of like, keeps you on your toes.
You don't expect certain things, but the way that it bombed was just for the books.
I wrote a sketch. Same thing for Phil Hartman, this is way back in the day. And he played this character, Mace, who was really tough and talked really fast, and he was Mace. And he had done it at the groundlings.
And it was this used to be good. Whoever the host was, and I don't remember. But the male host gets put in a prison cell with him, and the male host is whoever it was. Has Mace as his cellmate, and Mace comes on is so tough and hard.
And you're not gonna make it, buddy boy, it's me. I'm the king of this. And then, you know, the way in those cells are just an exposed toilet.
It comes time they're both there for a while, and then it's clear that Mace has to use the toilet. But he's embarrassed about using it in front of the other guy in this very shy, human way, and he's like putting little pieces of toilet paper down.
He's trying to do it when the other guy's back is turned, and whenever the guy turns back, he goes like, you keep looking the other way, buddy boy. And it was just all about this, very common. That's so funny to me, no?
And so we did this thing that we read it at, read through, and like Tile was coming off the ceiling. People were laughing so hard and it's over, and the applause and people coming up.
And you know, Lauren actually making eye contact and I'll give you a gold coin, you know, and you're just feeling amazing. And then dress rehearsal and it starts. And then there's the first thing, which is the whole sketch, where you realize that Mace wants to use the toilet. The toughest guy in the world.
And silence. And I remember I had called everybody. You know, you're going to have a sketch? Oh, of course, I did. of course, I did because I'm a writer.
And I'm like, tune in, because you all thought I didn't have it. Well, you're going to see a sketch tonight with Phil Hartman called me, you know, watch this. And then just absolute silence and then that thing where they say the last line, Well, that's the way it goes.
Long pause, then the band. Doon doon, doon, doon doon doon doon doon doon, doon, doon doon. And no applause, and then you don't even have to go in to the room.
You know, it's never going to make air. You want to do an autopsy afterwards and find out.
Like, what, why did it work there? And not? Maybe there's something about seeing it as opposed to just reading.
Also, as you know, I just gave it up at a certain point and said, there's magic to this, Sometimes the magic is there, sometimes it's not. I give up, I can't explain it.
There's no reason.
Yeah, well, that's probably why. A little bit of the nerves, too, because you know, you don't know what the audience is, if they're in a good mood, or.
But also it's interesting to me. Like, you know, I don't care who you are or what your track record is, you are always potentially 10 seconds away from the worst humiliation of your life.
And I almost feel like, the more you've done it, then I don't know, you're kind of like, Well, I'm due for something.
You know, what fascinated me about you is that you were not someone who was aggressively doing improv and trying to act when you were a kid, right?
No, I wasn't really in my atmosphere at all. There was no talk of like, do you want to go to, like a theater? It just wasn't. Nobody was doing that where I lived.
That's how that's for me too, yeah.
And it was, it just wasn't a thing. And I would always look at like, you know, I'm dating myself, you know? Like a teen beat or a bop, whatever, that bop was a bop, and it's just been bop.
Tiger beat, Tiger beat, Bop, There was a bop, there was like those magazines, and it just looked so far away.
And like, Oh, you have to, like, live in California, and that's just like a different planet. I just didn't even think about it. I think deep down, I always dreamed about it, but I thought, doesn't everybody? I don't know.
Exactly, it just wasn't something I.
I relate 1000 to what you're saying, which is I'm thinking about this and I'm doing some shtick in the mirror. Yeah, by myself. Were you reading Tiger Beat as well? I was reading.
He was reading Bop.
I was writing letters to Scott Baio.
Dear Scott Baio, such a tchotchke crush.
Didn't we all? I still write them?
But I, uh, I, I just. It wasn't in my world and I think what the internet has done. You can be in the tiniest little spot in Kansas and you can do something funny. And it can get a lot of positive feedback and I think that's terrific. Before that, there were people like me long before you. When I was a kid. Doing shtick in front of the mirror and takes and absorbing stuff on television and in movies, that I saw doing it in front of the mirror. But then thinking, Yes, this is what all sad little boys do.
And then I got to go to soccer practice.
Yeah, well, I didn't get to, or I don't know, no soccer for me art club.
My paleontology club.
Hello fellows, anyone.
Uh.
But yeah, there was no, there was nothing, you know, you just.
I mean, I did like little, you know, I was like a munchkin and the wizard of Oz, you know, in the back. Just because my friends are doing it. But it wasn't, you know?
But it's not like you could put that on a resume, so I tried.
Number one.
When I first came to L.A. and you needed a resume, I'm like, Well, maybe I should write this on here.
So you did? Another thing we have in common is I graduate college and I come out to L.A. I immediately tried to get into the groundlings, into an acting class, and that's where I met the world of people improvisers, and in 1985, I would tell people, Yeah, I want to do improv.
And most people didn't know what I was talking about.
I wouldn't have, yeah, I didn't even know what it was. When I came out here, someone was like, you got to go to the groundlings.
I think you'd like that. And I'd never seen improv before. And then I remember my first show, Jennifer Coolidge was in it, Mike Hitchcock and they did improv. And I was like, Oh, I want to, I think I want to do that, I want to try that.
And then I just like, signed up, but I had no. I knew sketch, obviously from SNL, but improv, I didn't even know that was a thing.
Yeah, that's where I met Lisa Kudrow, that's where I met these just so many incredibly talented people. And I thought, Okay, this is. This is proof to me. I love getting up on that stage.
It's a really small stage.
Yeah.
It's an equity waiver. Theater 99 C. But it's where. I mean, as I said, Phil Hartman came from there. Paul Rubens, I mean, the list of people. Will Ferrell, you know, he left the groundings and was never heard from again.
But I mean, the list is, I can't even begin to list it. It's insane how many people.
It changed that place, changed my life, for sure.
Yeah.
So you're up there, you're doing the groundlings, and you're, are you working a regular day job while you're doing that? What are you doing?
I had many, many a day job, my favorite was I worked in a like a floral design studio, I did like floral arrangements, mm-hmm.
Um, oh my God. I was a server, I worked at Universal Studios in the executive dining room.
Oh, I used to work there and eat in that. Well, not the executive one.
Yeah, like the the the the the the the nicer one where the yeah.
I couldn't get in that place.
But it's funny because I see people and I'm like, Hey, I waited on you.
That's so funny. So I have I had this conversation the other day where I, I. I mean, I I think I do it just because this is how my mom taught me to be. And I'm, and which is I really try to be nice to anyone who's serving me. But also way in the back of my mind is they will be in control of show business in three years. And you don't, you know what I mean? They're just. And so many people have later come up to me and said, Yeah, I when I was, when I, when Jennifer Garner waited on me.
Oh, how cool.
When she was, and this is years after, she became a star.
She just had a terrible gambling addiction. And no, she people are like Jennifer Garner, No. There was a place where you could get brunch on the Upper West Side. And I was doing the late night show. And she said, I came in once and she said I was nice and everything. But then I then started to read the paper.
It's like, No, we really need that table. And she remembered this years later, and I was so embarrassed, like you never know.
You never know.
Who's going to be there?
I know I love that job, that was a good job.
Which one?
The Universal, I liked it, it was like 11 to one, you had regular tables, you got to see like, exciting people.
And my best friend worked there.
What's funny is when you're on, you're on and you're absolutely stupendous. But I bet I'm just guessing that when you were waiting on people, you weren't giving them any hint that that comedy was on the horizon. For you. Is that fair?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I was trying to be very professional in my job. But, you know, occasionally I would say like, dumb things and walk away and be like, What am I doing? Because it was like I was waiting on huge people and I would get nervous, but there wasn't really room for. I don't know.
I'm not. I didn't really like, yuck it up.
Well, no, what I'm saying is during a one of my fallow periods as a writer and I didn't have any work. I took a job at a temp agency and I was just like typing up documents and filing things and worked there for like, a month. And at the end, I said, Well, I actually my my job started up again, so I'm going to go back. And she said, What are you doing? I said, I'm a I'm a comedy writer, and she said, You're a comedy writer.
And she wasn't being mean, No, I just said, I'm quiet, I'm efficient. I don't, you know, because I, I just thought I had this weird ability to put that away.
I am the exact same. I am not the person at a dinner party that will like, tell this big, elaborate, funny story. I just kind of, I'm kind of quiet, and there have been people who were surprised that that's what I did, yeah.
But, you know, I talk about this a lot. There are people in comedy who are fairly perpetually on. I sadly know that I am one, much to the irritation of those around me. But like, you've been out with me in the world, Sona, and you will attest that. I know I'll freely do 20 minutes of shtick for anybody if they so desire.
You saying that boss didn't know that you were a comedy writer, is I? I don't even know how you would go a month without doing bits at any sort of work environment, heavily medicated. Okay, that makes sense.
But you were back in the bathroom doing him in the mirror.
Yeah, exactly. He's been in the bathroom for 40 minutes, He's laughing a lot, I hear a lot of laughing and giggling. My wife to this day says she'll sometimes hear like she goes to bed a little before me, but sometimes she doesn't fall right asleep and she'll hear me in the bathroom.
And I'm like, Now she hear you.
I'll get you.
See what the fuck you did like six things today that should all be out of your system. That's just rude that you might even just wake her up, not that it's just weird.
Oh, come on.
Shaker.
She wears giant earmuffs. Yeah, hey, wake up, I just thought of a new guy, he's called Wake you up, guy.
He wakes people up who were sound asleep.
But some of my favorite people and you are on this list yourself. Steve Martin. They when it's time to go, they go and they're flawless and they're great. And then if someone you know invites them to a party, they think, Well, you know this guy, or, you know, Kristen shows, you know. And and it's like, Well, no, that's not who I am, yeah.
I've had people interview me that are disappointed. No, I'm being serious. Like when I was on SNL, I remember there were a couple interviews I was also. It was the beginning.
You know, I was nervous and I hadn't done a lot of interviews and stuff. And I think they were kind of like, huh, like, I don't know if they expected me to, like, talk in voices or like, yes, but I'm also nervous. And, you know, I don't know. I think people were like, she's not that funny.
Well, the other thing is, what's insane is that what you do? Sometimes? I think people believe that. Well, if you're a plumber, you can just come and you can fix the plumbing. Oh, yeah. And they think, oh, we'll get a comedian to come and he'll just do the comedy thing. And then everyone's going to love that. And then we'll move on to the really serious funeral service.
And and I'm always asking a million questions like, how big is the room, who's at this thing? And then I have to try and tailor it to what is this situation? And sometimes it's just no, there shouldn't be any comedy here, it's not.
And I also often think that an interview format like one of my favorite people growing up. Peter Sellers just brilliant, brilliant, and then I'm so fascinated with him, and I've read all these books on Peter Sellers. And all the information that comes back is he was devastatingly funny when he's in a movie, or when he's doing his performances on the Goon Show, or whatever he was doing. And then he was just sort of blinking and looking around the room when he was at a party.
And he always carried a little camera with him because he was interested in cameras, He would explain his camera to a great length. But you didn't, you know, people wanted Inspector Clouseau at the party, and he's not going to do that, yeah.
Unless he's highly paid.
Right, exactly.
That's what you want to do is you want to be paid. So SNL obviously was like, such a it must have been so clear to you that that's where you belonged.
For me, it was where I, where I wanted to be and where I love the puzzles you have to put together at that show. You know, like, when it's that meeting between dress and air and you have to, like, take off a minute of your sketch. I love that, like trying to figure things out and what jokes can go. And I don't know, I love that, sort of like, I don't know how my brain works. Yeah, that stuff, yeah.
And that, and just like the writers there, when I was there in the cast, I was so lucky. And I don't know. I just felt like, didn't feel like work in a way. But I knew when I got there, I was like, I'm going to be here for seven years, I didn't want to go longer than that. I don't know why.
I just kind of felt like when you get there, you know, you kind of feel like you're walking into someone else's living room. Like everyone else knows each other so well.
Yes, it's high school, it's a big, it's a scary high school, and I'm not putting it down. No, no, no.
Because I sometimes when I talk about SNL, sometimes people misinterpret it and say it was frightening, terrifying in some ways. And also I kind of wouldn't change a thing, yeah.
It's not like anyone was mean, everyone was so nice, but it's like you're going to a new school and everyone's been there forever. As soon as I got there, I was like, the moment I feel totally comfortable here is when I have to go. Because I feel there's something about the energy of that place and what you need to produce and how you need to, like, always be. I don't know people watching on that Sunday that you're off, I don't know.
I just felt like there's something about that place where you just need to be a little uncomfortable, that makes sense.
Yes, it does. There's that old analogy that I think is so perfectly true. Which is the oyster, you know, you need a little bit of sand in the oyster to make the pearl, you need the irritant. And I just think many times in life I've been uncomfortable and not and nervous, and something really good came out.
And again, that's when you're really proud of yourself and you're like, Wow, I did that and right, and thank God, it's over. That was very hard for me to leave.
But well, I mean, just, I mean, it's ridiculous to even try to go through all the characters. But do you have a favorite? I mean, I know you've mentioned before, but is there someone who really speaks to you? I mean, there's so many.
I mean, the first time I saw Denise prosthetic forehead and doll hands, I told you I loved, I mean, I love Gilly, but her dance and Penelope and.
I feel like my favorite one, honestly, was someone I did an update, not even a ton of time, but her name was Aunt Linda.
Yes, Aunt Linda.
She was.
The eye rolling alone.
Yes, because she was based on someone that was on a plane.
And remember, back in the day, they would show there'd be one screen and they'd be like, the movie starting, and then you'd have to put your head. It would just start at that time.
You didn't get your own personal.
You didn't get your own one and it was the matrix, and she was so confused, the matrix, the matrix on a plane.
She was just like, what she's like, why is it flying? She was like, Oh, she was so loud.
And I was like listening to her and writing down things she was saying.
She's like, Now we're flying.
Like, she was so upset and confused and it just made me laugh. And so I did that at the groundlings, which also made it feel better. When I got it on SNL and we tried it the way that I wrote it at the groundlings, but it didn't work in a scene because.
No, no, it was so smart.
It just didn't work because Lauren was like, I think people would be walking away from you constantly, it didn't work.
Putting her at the update desk, yeah, and her job my favorite thing. It's sort of akin a bit to. I'm a wealthy society woman and I want someone to set up my home beautifully for the big party. I've hired the three stooges and three idiots who have no qualifications, show up with saws and hammers and smash the whole house.
What I love is they hired you to review films. Yes, and it's perfect because you have nothing but disdain. You don't seem to understand the movies, no?
You just want to make a wisecrack, and it's just absolutely hilarious. Also, it looked like it's you kind of had to that. All the different takes that you would do, the sarcastic, the sarcastic takes that you would do.
And I think the ones that you can have a little more fun with, and it is kind of different every time, are always more fun, I think. Than the ones that are like, very rigid in how they react to stuff, I don't know.
If your character has one. I remember at the groundlings there was just this pressure. When I was there, you could see every student thought they had to have a catchphrase.
Oh, really.
Well, that was just a phase, and I think it was all because John Lovitz had blown up as the liar on SNL. And that's the ticket, you know? And having a catchphrase and Dana Blend blew up as church lady. Of course, there was a lot more to those characters, but their catchphrases were really huge.
Wasn't that special?
And so I just remember characters coming in, you know, trying out scenes, and everybody was like, Yeah, that's a flapjack I'd buy.
Looking right out to the audience.
Right out to the audience, and then they'd say it like, two more times. And I just. Lisa Kudrow used to get mad at me because she said. You sit there at rehearsal and people are trying to stuff out and you have your head in your hands.
And she said, They can fucking see you, and I'm like, I'm sorry, that's a flapjack I could buy.
Was that a real one?
No, I know there was someone, so you could use it if you want. I know I was like, So you're writing it down?
People had tics like they, you know, slap their thigh, cough twice. And so it just looked like a Tourette's convention for a while there. But one thing that I liked so much about the work that you did at SNL, and then again you brought that to Bridesmaids, is you can go so quiet, you can be so small, and it's perfect. I think it's one of the reasons I get drawn in.
You're not trying to blow me off the roof with your comedy a lot of times. And you can go big, but you also can go very small. And then, you know, and then that was. One of the things I thought that made Bridesmaids so special was how quiet things could be doing that kind of comedy. It's like this little porcelain comedy.
That's beautiful, I don't know, I was just great.
Thank you for saying that.
Well, I really, I don't know that it means anything, I've never really been in a movie, it does.
It does.
It means a lot, very poetic little porcelain, I know well it is, it's. I just think that many people can come from a situation like the groundlings or SNL and think that you win when you go really big all the time.
I just loved it as a fan of yours that you're able to do that.
Thanks.
Not all the time we have, oh, okay, there's nowhere to go after that.
I don't know what to say.
Well, I want to say one thing that is about improv. Okay, yeah, I'm wondering if you agree with this. There's so many people who say to me, improv is such a scary thing.
I prefer improv. There's no preparation, you just show up on the day.
Well, that's the thing. There's no exactly. You can't say the line wrong.
Exactly.
And sometimes you can get.
Yeah, it kind of depends on what it is. But when I'm watching improv, I get more nervous because I'm like, what are they going to say, right? or what would I say? Or oh, God?
And fear for the person.
But when you're doing it, exactly? But when you're doing it, you're like, Oh, I'm just responding. I'm just as long as I know who the character is, I'm just kind of talking.
Yeah, there's something very I don't know, just liberating about it. I love when they tell me....
And you don't have to prepare, it's just you just go. That's the best part, there's no memorizing.
I was curious, Did you do target lady at groundlings? or was that something you came up with? Yes, I did. Oh, you did, yes.
Yes, those, I think, were the only two that I did there that got on the show.
Did you ever get any kind of money from Target? No? Conan? Because I've been working on a character called Exxon Mobile Guy.
I know.
You've got a thing.
It's like United Airlines, it's like, what do we use?
Look at me, I'm Lamborghini guy. Hey, I'm Lamborghini guy, Sona. Has there been any call from the Lamborghini people? Yes, cease and desist.
Hey, I'm Lamborghini.
Hey, I'm a Porsche man.
What?
It's a German car. Why are you Italian? I don't know, I didn't think about it.
That's the hook.
Hey baby, I'm Sam Rolex.
What?
Yeah, Sam, his name is Sam Rolex. I wear a Rolex. These are characters.
I'm just thinking.
That you've been working on for a long time.
Yes.
And I thought I was doing something wrong. Clearly, you hit it with target lady, and I'm going to, I'm Bill Ozempic, you know?
Bill Sam.
Oh, you don't think I'm good at coming up with good, funny first names? I think Sam, it's funny.
It's funny because it's Sam.
I regret working with you on this whole thing. I really thought we would just click together and make an amazing commercial that would make me a lot of money. Thank you, I bet you didn't think you'd be apologizing when you came here to talk to me.
You have to see me. Apologize to Conan for not earning him more money.
Well, we won't give it away, but I was going to bring up your guys because you guys live in a similar neighborhood, similar environments, but we won't say.
We're on Catalina Island, that's right, yes.
Oh my God, today was rough getting here.
I'm still seasick. I bought you a seaplane. Oh, I sold it.
Immediately.
Yeah, he doesn't pay us, he pays us in planes, which I thought was very...
What kind of planes? Conan? What kind of planes?
Don't you like your three-winged 1917 plane? Oh, I love it, I fly it all the time.
Sam plane.
My name's Sam. Plane. There we go, there it is. This is good stuff. It's just plane, it's not a company, it's just a plane.
I never said I was a good writer, I just managed to be a writer.
When you left SNL, it was.
I don't know, it was like everybody took a moment. It was such a nice send-off. But I think that your plan was to do seven years really, really superbly and then get out on a high note. And because you did that, you had this glorious send-off.
Colin Jost wrote that and didn't even think it was going to make it. We were rushing, we didn't know for sure, and it was, yeah. It's a moment I'll never forget.
It took me, I think, a year, maybe, to watch it.
I understand that.
Yeah, it was very hard, but it was the most beautiful way to go. I mean, it meant so much to me that we did it.
But also all those stars participating, I know Mick Jagger was there.
It was crazy.
Mick Jagger sang You Off With Ruby Tuesday.
And Dave Grohl, who was the musical guest on my very first show, right? which I thought was kind of cool.
Steve Martin, Jon Hamm.
And arcade fire was.
Right, arcade fire.
I didn't memorize it.
Okay.
But I just.
I understand that it's bittersweet to leave that experience, but if you're going to do it, that's the way to do it.
It was hard, I couldn't watch the show for a while after I left because it's such an adjustment. As you know, when you're there, it's not just like this job you left, it's the building that you spend 20 hours a day in.
You've had the best experiences, you've laughed, you've cried, it's your family, and you're just there, just physically, like many hours of the day.
And saying goodbye to Lauren was really hard. It was just it was, Yeah, it's your life.
I did a couple of seasons at SNL and then I leave and I go to the Simpsons, then I come back for late night. And do that for 16 years, so if you add it up, it was 20 years in that building.
Yeah.
And then I'm out here in L.A. for a while, and then that was like two years or something. Some time passed, not too long, I was going to go on Howard Stern and I came back to New York.
And I walked up by Rockefeller Center and I was hit by every emotion you can have. And I'm very Irish and very proud of the fact that I don't experience emotions or acknowledge them, or I can sublimate them. So much that I only realized later on that it came out of my sweat or something you smell sad.
But I passed that building and I had every feeling that I had of ecstasy, sadness, terror, love. Everything came back, and it was almost too powerful. And then I went right in to talk to Howard Stern and he's chatting with me.
And it all.
I just he was like, my therapist and that's what we talked about and....
Also because knowing that it hasn't changed, there's something else about leaving a job, and maybe those people aren't there anymore. That building's gone, but everything is the same and you go back now.
It's like, it's the same doors, it's the same paint, it's the same, it's the same, and the crew is mostly the same.
So I think knowing that it's still existing is like, I don't know. Pulls on you a little more.
Because I'm not there, right? And there's part of I can't speak for you. But there's part of me, a tyrannical tyrant in my brain that's thinking it all should have stopped when I left.
Oh God, they should have taken the building down. What's the point of going on? No, I understand that's very sad. But Egyptian pharaohs had the same idea.
And.
But I remembered.
I mean, when I took over the late night show for Letterman, Letterman in his first year, one night said to Paul, Can you believe they're over there doing our show? And I remembered at the time thinking, Oh, he's, I like, that was his apartment.
Yeah, and now I'm in it and he still feels like it's his apartment and these new kids are in there, breaking stuff, and that's how it can feel.
Sometimes a little bit is just you make it so much your own and then you have to leave. And then, of course, other people move in and do things differently but brilliantly, and that's how it is. Just keep moving.
Keep moving people.
That's your new character.
Yeah.
Keep moving.
Keep moving people.
With Porsche, okay, that's better.
That's actually a great little.
Keep moving with Porsche. I will share, I won't share.
Well, we could do the commercials together.
Okay, but would we split the money? how would the split be?
I mean, I would assume 50-50.
But are you having other thoughts?
Matt and I are here too. No, no, no, you're not really here, We're not here. No, I don't see you this eye....
I have glaucoma in my right eye, so I don't have peripheral vision, but I see you perfectly. I just, I'm going to say, you've had more experience in film, you're arguably the bigger deal.
So I would accept a 70-30 with you getting the 70.
I mean, you're a big deal.
I think you're a big deal. I'll just I'll drive.
I want to talk about the latest project because I got to watch.
I've watched the first episode.
Oh, good.
Of Pomeroy, and it was.
I was watching it with David Hopping, who's the assistant who filled in for Sona. He's done a brilliant job, took over, really took over.
I don't even.
I did okay, no, no, no, I trained him. The point here is not about you, Sona.
The point is, I saw the first show an insane cast, absolutely brilliant cast.
Yes, yes.
And I mean, it's madness. You've got Laura Dern, Allison Janney, Carol Burnett, Ricky Martin, who's great.
Oh my gosh, they're all, yeah.
The first thing that struck me is this thing. You're fantastic as always, and it's like, it's like, of course, but what's amazing is the look of it, too. It takes place in 1969..
Yeah, and it, I don't know what they did, but it's got this saturated retro color to it that is fantastic. I mean, I haven't seen a show look like that.
It just.
It's got, it's almost like a confection.
Yeah, yeah, and our production designer, John Carlos, was just like, I don't even his attention to detail he would like....
There would be a fish tank and he would specifically pick the color of the fish to go in the fish tank to match. The room. Like everything. And he worked with Alex Freeberg, our costume designer. So....
The costumes are.
The costumes are incredible, but they work together as far as what kind of room they were. I mean, everyone does that, but really down to patterns and details and what kind of chair they're sitting on.
I mean, it was like, I've never seen anything like that.
I think it's.
Why it works is that you have the performers are all so good that they can overcome how stunning it is to look at, meaning I think a lesser performers would get lost in. I mean, I was watching it and I was noticing that. Allison....
There's a scene where Allison Janney is talking and her sunglasses, which are so vintage 1969 and so big. And you would love it, Matt, because it's all this very cool period stuff. And her glasses match are very loud but beautifully match her insane 1969 outfit, and then it all blends in with all this color.
That's happening in the background, and I noticed myself thinking every now and then when something's just produced so well. I think, man, these people know what they're doing.
They really do.
Because I always came from even the lesser child of an SNL, which was, let's crank out one of these a night. And so put a bear head on him from the bear head room. And I mean, it was very we didn't light things, I mean, we did the best we could, but it was vaudeville every night.
And get it.
And then so what? I'm always blown away when I watch things, I've never been in the world of them. Using a light meter to measure exactly how my face is going to look the best, because no one gives a shit.
But there's so many people like props, just looking around any of the sets and just seeing all the little things and why? That's part of this person's character. I don't even think the camera even sees this stuff. But every day we would just walk onto set. And then the actors, of course, would come and you'd see what they were wearing. And it was like, you know, five minutes of just talking about that.
It would be hard not to steal some of those outfits. No, no, so no, oh, this from the admitted shopper.
I didn't steal anything.
I don't steal, I ask.
How come you can't say that as yourself? You were doing a character well because...?
I've never committed larceny. Well, just say it as yourself.
I mean, I shoplifted when I was a kid, but I would never steal as an adult.
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the episodes.
And like Mindy, Cohn is in it, and Julia Duffy, who is hilarious. Josh Lucas, Leslie Bibb. Yes, we got very lucky.
I have a hard time believing you wouldn't have fun, even though you get nervous. This just looks like you would have a really good time.
We had the best time. Yeah, yeah, that cast, it was just every day. I mean, it was a long shoot because it's 10 episodes.
They're an hour each, so it was like six and a half months, I think, shooting, but yeah, it was great.
And not a bad location to be shooting in. Oh yeah.
Good old L.A. It was amazing to be able to go home after work. Was a dream, yeah.
What's the worst location you've been in? do you have? Does it come to mind?
The worst?
Oh, that's tough, I've kind of liked everywhere I've gone, it's pretty good, yeah.
I would think I've always wanted to do.
I mean, I think Adam Sandler's a genius because he's made two thirds of his movies in his like, favorite beach in Maui. Yeah, and it doesn't matter, it can be the story of Abraham Lincoln.
It's Lincoln like, Well, I might go to Washington to be president, but first, I got to get this coconut open.
So smart.
He knows what he's doing.
He does.
Well, congratulations on Pomeroyal and Kristen. It is just a super honor to talk to you because you're off the charts talented. Thank you one of those people who I watch you. And I think I don't understand how she can do this so consistently well, but I'm very happy that you're out there doing it.
Thank you.
And I would like to tell you, I think you're one of the best in what you do, and when, I don't know. When I heard I was coming on here, I got very excited because you are such a comedic genius to so many people and I just think you're amazing. Oh boy, I'm going to keep that in there.
Here's the thing it'll keep me up at night, one of the best. Oh God, all I need to do is find one little seed.
You know, it's not just one of the best portia.
She also said to so many people, she didn't say herself.
All right, Kristen, thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Let's do some voicemails, let's do a voicemail. What was wrong with the first one? Because we're not doing more than one, okay?
Both of them sounded horrible. Can the doctor also check Coralie? I keep begging a neurologist to diagnose me, and then I think while they're here, they can check out Coralie. Yes, voicemail it is.
Let's have at it. Eduardo. Hi Conan. My name is Rebecca and I live in Worcester, Massachusetts, which I know you're very familiar with, right? I actually am listening to you right now.
And I paused the episode because I got so excited. You said that your new podcast facility has a birthing center in it. And I am 34 weeks pregnant, so I'm due on March 15th, which is about five weeks away. So I didn't know if maybe since you are a doula, I could be the first person to give birth in your new facility. Thanks for considering that.
Bye-bye. Well, I have a lot to say. First of all, congratulations Rebecca, and my greetings to everyone in Worcester, Massachusetts. That is the town in sort of south central Massachusetts, where pretty much my entire family is from, on both sides.
And I still have a lot of family in Worcester, and so many of my father, uncles all went to Holy Cross College, so Worcester looms large in my memory and in my heart. REBEcCa When I said that there was a birthing center here at the Larchmont Studios, I was lying. There isn't an actual birthing center.
I apologize. I think I got off on one of my crazy riffs or tangents, maybe I was talking in an aspirational way. Do you recall me saying we had a birthing center? It was with Kelly Cuoco.
Yeah, and who said we had a birthing center? Was it myself? No, maybe it was Matt. Well, it doesn't matter.
But this recording studio used to be at OBGY, wasn't it? No, no, we were just making a joke on Kelly Cuoco. No, no, no, it was just an office.
It was a place where people met and did business. I'm talking before Jane Club. Wait a minute, this is interesting. Adam Sachs is getting on, Mike.
Adam tell us all those stories when we got the space. Immediately before us was the Jane Club, which was a co-working space for working moms. Kind of like a wework for working moms. There was a childcare area where working moms could bring their kids. But before that, I think it was owned, my understanding, owned by an Obgyn who worked obviously crazy hours around the clock. And so this actual studio before we moved in here was shaped, like, if you remember, it was octagonal in shape.
It had padded walls and they wanted it to be soundproofed and black and quiet, so that when the doctor came home, she could sleep at any time. Oh, it wasn't for pregnant women. No, no, no, it was a personal home.
It was for the doctor, the obgyn, to be able to sleep because she kept strange hours. Got it? But either way, I think there was a very nurturing energy in this room and we've carried that forward. Can't any room be a birthing room?
Do you really need the sterile stuff? Can it just? Uh, excuse me? We just consult 180 years of proven medical history. Let's see Dr.
LISTER Yeah, um, no, you need a sterile environment. But, you know, I mean, what about, like, there's a lot of women who just can't wait till they get to the hospital. We can be that kind of space. Do you want to give birth in an area that reminds you of giving birth in, like a hotel lobby?
You can come here where nothing is sterile. So what you're basically saying is someone should make a plan to come here and have a baby in an unsterile environment. Yeah, I mean, if that's how we're going to do it. REBECCA Listen, first of all, I'm thinking of you and this birth that's coming on March 15th. But you should definitely not have your baby. Here at our Larchmont facility, it is not a sterile environment.
And in fact, boy are we slobs. I mean, there is right, no, what? It's very nice and neat here.
There's a kitchen right here. But also, Erica Brown runs a very tight ship. If she sees you, leave a glass, and it doesn't matter if it's you or anybody, she'll make you pick it up. That's true, but I'm constantly knocking food out of your hands.
So there's probably crumbs everywhere there are, and maybe stop so people could have babies here.
That's finally a good reason for me not to knock food, thank you out of a grown woman and mother of two's hands. Yes, thank you. You know, it's something that we could look into because we do have, well, no, we're pretty much using every room here.
Now, I don't think there's a space in this facility that we could convert into a birthing room. But how would you feel about being a doula? Because I think Rebecca mentioned that you, I'm cool with that, you know?
So you could be there, present at birth, helping women deliver. Listen, I was quite present and involved in the birth of both of my children. I think I'm a natural doula. I did shriek the whole time and I had to be physically restrained by orderlies.
But other than that, I think I'd be a fine doula. Terrible, what are you talking about? I'd be cracking them jokes and doing bits, oh, and delivering the baby as a character.
Yeah, I'm an old gold miner, that's part of it. But also you're very squeamish about female bodies, and you know, you're just kind of so repressed. That you'd be like, Do I have to look at your vagina when it comes out? I wouldn't be near the vagina.
Just where the baby comes out, what?
Do you know how it works? The stork shoot? Yeah, there's a door. What door?
Where's the door upper middle back?
I blacked out for both babies and then that's what they told me later on, that's what happened. It's a mahogany door, and it's got a little, it's drawn on and magic marked.
Yeah, it's got a little knocker and door opens, and the baby walks out wearing a top hat and says, Let the life begin.
Oh, I actually don't have the heart to break it to you. Let's go with that. Yeah, I think that's a better story. I'm sticking with it.
Okay, anyway, any birth that involves a mahogany door between the shoulder blades I'm fine with, but I'm not getting near any vagina.
That's not happening, Rebecca. That's not happening, Rebecca.
Anyway, Rebecca, thinking of you and your new arrival and very happy for you. peace out.
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