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Welcome to part of my take. Today is Friday, January 19th and we have the divisional round boys. Before we do that, though, we should talk a little coaching news, yeah.
Because Mike McCarthy is staying, Mike Tomlin is staying, Nick Sirianni is potentially staying, probably staying.
Probably.
Maybe, and we don't know what's going to happen by tomorrow. But I am again tracking Arthur Blank's private jet. It's landing in Boston, Massachusetts, right now. Oh, Belichick.
Falcons Collision course. Wow, I think it's happening, it is happening.
It might have already happened by.
The time this comes out, I would say, you want to break the news, hank, you want to say it.
No, oh, okay, could have been the first. Give it to Leroy, yeah.
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Yeah, Mike McCarthy, though, staying. Did you just kill my dog?
No, oh yeah, you killed Blake. I was remembering, What are you, Max? Yeah, I guess I might have.
My bad, let's go team by team. Mike McCarthy is staying. Yes, and you actually saw a bunch people.
Greg Olson turns out he was right. Someone wanted Mike McCarthy. It just happened.
To be Jerry Jones still wanted Mike McCarthy. Jerry Jones fell all over himself, fell all over himself to rehire Mike McCarthy for another year.
Yes, and it's not out of this world to have a coach in Dallas going into their last year because Jason Garrett did it. Yep, what happened with him afterwards? He got fired.
He's on NBC, he's torturing us, he's on the cock. So Mike McCarthy not going to be fired this year? As a Commanders fan, I said that it makes me very happy that Mike's coming back.
And I know that they absolutely demolished the commanders. In the regular season, I know that Mike McCarthy is a very good regular season coach. But when you play against really good teams in the playoffs, you're going to have to win three games, maybe four games to win a Superbowl and every game. Even the games that the Cowboys win have those small moments in them where you're like, if they're playing against a better team, that gets taken advantage of. So all I'm saying is, much like you with Aaron Rodgers, when the Cowboys lose, that's my Superbowl, yep.
Which I really, truly enjoy, and I'm glad that I'm going to get to enjoy that for the next year.
Yeah, so Mike McCarthy is a good coach in the relative term that, like, what three straight years, 12 and five, he obviously has a Superbowl. People were doing the resume thing where it's like, Yeah, why wouldn't you fire Mike McCarthy like he, you know? Or you got to keep a guy like that around because he's he's done good things in Dallas.
Obviously they haven't gone deep in the playoffs. People were also pointing out like, look at Andy Reed before they started winning Superbowls in Kansas City. Where it's like 12 and four, 10 and six, 11 and five. Everyone said he was a choke artist. The only issue with that is Patrick Mahomes showed up, I don't think Patrick.
Mahomes is showing up in Dallas. You have dak, Yeah, Dak is actually like, kind of like McNabb in.
That sense, right, where he's like a good quarterback, right? But it's like these two guys together in the pressure situations. Will it, will it falter?
I so initially I was like, That's stupid. They're bringing Mike McCarthy back, and I'm. I don't have the smartest brain and I can be swayed very easily. And I was Jake Ferguson tweeting out the video of Mike McCarthy dancing with the big chain to 50 cent. Many men, I was like, Yup.
Okay, Mike McCarthy, this is a good, this is a good rehire, yeah, cause it's that was like that was a video.
I was like, these guys obviously love them. And again, if you put if, you put pretty much any video with 50 cent.
Many men, I'm going to be like, Damn, that was bad-ass. Yeah, it is. It gets your blood going and you see a player. Did you watch it?
Yeah, I have seen that before and it was cool, it is cool, it's a cool, cool look for Mike. Uh, if you're Mike McCarthy, it's good that you're coming back for another year.
It's good to have another job, good to not be fired. Also, the narrative every single week with Mike McCarthy is going to be for another year. How fired is this guy? yeah.
He's been fired for like two and a half years already. Well, he could also just pick up some.
More hobbies and become even the busier cat in Texas. He's already the busiest. Yeah, start.
Learning how to do a Rubik's cube? Yeah, start learning a card tricks. I'm happy because it.
Gives us one more chance to bet against Mike McCarthy in the playoffs. Yeah, it's good. So just put a reminder in Jake, we'll just do that and we'll be happy. And then next year he'll probably be fired.
And that doesn't diminish that he's a pretty good coach, but I just don't trust.
Everything, I'm not sure. I like this new, kinder, gentler. JeRry JoNes Yeah, like being so accepting.
Although, although he kept Jason Garrett around for a very long time, sometimes I think he likes.
To do that, to torture them, right? It's like, working for me is more of a punishment than me.
Firing you, yeah. How long was Jason Garrett the coach for the Cowboys? Because you think of Jerry Jones, you think of the like Jimmy Johnson, we got to move on, like.
I'm the boss, like, like, what six years? Or I think it was way more than that. It was one 12 11 through 19 10.
Years, 10 years, 10 years, so that's 20 software updates, eight years too many. Yeah, like that.
So he's kind of interim in 2010 and then 11 through 19, nine years. How do you feel, Hank?
As a Cowboys fan, I don't know how people can support this team. I don't know how you can, you know, have the regular students they've had and the playoff performances they've had. Capped off by one of the stinkiest stinkers ever thrown in the history of football. Like that was as bad a performance as you can imagine. That everyone was leaving, you know, with maybe 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter, like maybe even before, it was never close. And it's just like, how do you root for them? In the regular season, knowing that, like you have to win in the playoffs and regular season, success means nothing?
It doesn't translate. Dak is fucking horrible, like Mike McCarthy. They were showing the videos where he was consoling Judy or not, Judy. Um, Cd lamb, Cd lamb. On the sideline, like in the first quarter, as if there was major tension between him and Dak. I said, if they keep them around, I'm done with the Cowboys.
I'm done with the Cowboys, so you lost the fan today? You're asking like, how can they keep this guy around if he's not about, like, what Cowboys football should be about, which is winning playoff games? Jason Garrett was two and three in the playoffs.
So, and before that, they had one of those Tony's fault, though. Before that day, I didn't want to play off game in a long ass time. Long as so the Cowboys, they don't win playoff games, they get to the play. Yeah, it's in their DNA at this point.
It's not the nineties anymore, yeah, but there's so many good co I just.
How can you, as an owner, watch that performance and be like, we're right there? Maybe he's just.
Yeah, maybe Jerry's just like getting old, and he's you get older. You just don't want to have to deal with. Like interviewing new people and talking, learning someone's new name.
There's so many coaches out there you might be getting too much perspective on the world. I was to get older. You're like, you start to realize what's important, that's interpersonal relationships, friendships, what you're going to leave behind as your legacy.
I think Jerry Jones is now entering that stage where he he doesn't want to make any new enemies.
It is pretty shocking if you had asked us on Sunday or no, uh, Tuesday. After the Cowboys, or after the divisional round or the wildcard round was over, would the Steelers, Eagles and Cowboys all keep, keep their coaches? No chance. You said, yes, one of the three would have been.
Gone, yeah, especially considering this is the best free agent coaching class maybe ever, yeah.
So Mike McCarthy stays in Dallas, Mike Tomlin staying in Pittsburgh. He said. He's going to bring in quarterback competition, he's going to change some things or and get a new offensive coordinator. Uh, he's also Mike Tomlin. I feel like the way the Steelers operate. Um, he was on the hot seat for like, one single day because now he's back and he probably will sign an extension.
This summer, yeah. And it turns out that Mike Tomlin was just upset about the loss, right? So when he was asked the question, he just didn't want to address that.
That is kind of Mike Tomlin in a nutshell. Yeah, it was like, Okay, that's not important, so I'm not even going to address it, I'm going to walk away.
Uh, but yeah, he's going to be back, probably, probably stay the head coach for another 10 years in Pittsburgh. I would imagine, although Vrabel would have been nice, I think we both wanted Vrabel to get that job if it was open.
Um, but yeah, Tomlin is. He's proven that he can, he can do a lot of good work in Pittsburgh, maybe without a superstar.
Quarterback Which is hard to do. Yeah. And and we also do have to take a step back. Because, um, we root for bad franchises, the coaching carousel, the revolving door, is always going. Um, it probably is correct for some of these franchises. Specifically the steelers, where it's like, yeah, they have a way and they're going to keep doing their way. And over time, it has worked. And like, Yeah, our reaction is different than how the steelers operate, which is probably a.
Good thing because we're very dumb. Yeah, when something goes bad with our teams, it never gets fixed. No, the instant fix button is fired, the coach.
Yeah, there's no. There's no chance that you can have some of these guys that we've had over the years and be like, let's give them another year, right? See how they do.
It's like, if things go bad.
It's not getting any better, right? And we're talking about three playoff teams. Yeah, so.
It might get better in Pittsburgh, it might get better in Dallas, might get better in Philadelphia.
Maybe, maybe so that's the last one. Nick Sirianni Possibly stay Max.
There's no report one way or the other right now. Well, the report was that Nick that, uh, Jeffrey, Lurie and Howie Rosen basically tasked Nick Sirianni with coming to them. With a list of coordinators that he thinks are good for the team and like that, so, so, the initial thought is, well, if a coach is looking for coordinators, he's probably kept his job. Then the report came out.
Well, this same exact thing happened with Doug Peterson when he got fired. Jeff, Uh, Jeff. Lurie and Howie, Rosen said. Come to us with a list they were. it was not an adequate list for them and they fired Doug Peterson. So that is what Max is hoping for the Nick Sirianni.
Can't get anyone to pick up the phone for him? Yeah, basically, Lurie is asking.
NICK SIRIANNI Like, bring me a list, a presentation of guys that you think will make you suck less. As a head coach, I actually think it's something different, I.
Think it's give me a list of guys who still think that you're good. Because if you're going to be an offensive or defensive coordinator for the Eagles, you're tying your your future to Nick Sirianni. So it's a kind of a up test where it's like, how good of the coaches think that you're still good.
You know, it's, it's genius. Can you get anybody? Would the entire coaching staff be better with you, or would it be better with a new guy that's bringing in his guy, right? Like, if, if, if, Nick?
Sirianni comes to to the owner and and Howie Rosen with the names like Luke Getsy and Matt Patricia. Yeah, and they're like, Wait, what isn't that showing that you don't have that much?
Faith in your head coach, though, saying like, we don't, we don't really trust you. Show us the guys that you can bring in, that will fix you, yeah.
But I really do think it's like, how many?
People in the NFL still think that you're good. That's the list. Because if if Nick Sirianni calls you up, you're making the calculation, like, is this guy dead already? Should I, should I hitch my wagon to him? I like this move.
This is actually kind of a genius move. It's going to be a list of guys who think that Nick Sirianni is still a good coach. That's all it.
Is, Well, I mean, it's also a roster, like, what do you mean? Like Curt? Like Cliff? Kingsbury is looking at the Bears because Caleb Williams is coming in, right?
Right, there's coordinators out there that could look at that Eagles offense and be like, of course, I would love to, I would.
Love this job because of that personnel, but it's always a nerve wracking thing. If you're a coordinator. To be like, am I stepping into a job that I will be gone from in a year?
No matter what happens, yeah, yes, but I think that has just as much to do with the personnel.
That it does, you know, what I would do if I were Nick Sirianni? I would put down a list of guys. The top guys out there, like Ben Johnson, told me that he would leave the Lions to come here as an offensive coordinator. I was wondering and then hope that they don't call those references.
Can he go to like those people have to be in to come if he comes with that name, ideally.
You would want guys that are currently employed. No, it has to be, it has to be a list of names that Nick Sirianni has actually talked to to say that there would be interested in coming.
I don't want to hear interested, like, they're coming, like, if, if, if I. If he goes to Laurie and puts those names down, he's not allowed to. He's not allowed to be like, all right, you keep your job and then him to go back to Laurie and be like, Oh, nevermind, doesn't want.
To come anymore, it would have to be guys that are like quarterbacks, coaches, cause I don't think you could talk to an offensive coordinator that's currently under contract. Play callers.
Yeah, like play callers, because Brian Johnson's a good quarterback coach.
Not a good play caller, just get big Dom to run the defense. So do you think that he's going to?
Get fired.
If I had a gun to my head, I would say, No, I don't think he's brutal for you, but I don't.
Think it's for you, I think you guys, cause you said you weren't going to watch an easy must fire.
Can't keep? Oh, good question, Hank. Um, I wait. there's too many, too many questions. Must fire? Can't keep?
I thought I would say, let's see, let's see how the cards play out. Must fire, can't.
Keep It's a very important question that you have to answer. Yes, it is must fire can't keep. Which one is it?
It can't keep, oh, that's bad for you, it's the ownership, yeah, and but you also you. If you can't keep someone, you could also be like, Maybe I can keep it.
If you must fire, you don't really change from must fire. yeah, so you should have said must fire you.
Know, but I? But no, no, no, no, no, because obviously I'm like, if he comes with some exciting coordinator, he's back in exciting coordinator names like coordinator Merchant.
Yeah, he needs, he needs to find, like, the best coordinators. I just think he's so corny, like, right? And so, if this is an office space and you're sitting down in the office, you say, Nick, what? what would you say? It is you do here all day? Does he, just like, leaf through?
Motivational book No. He probably would say, What do you? What do you think Rocky did all day?
I, I want that up the step, I want that there to be a press conference he's going to bring.
Like a frozen meat truck into training camp next year. Be like, beat the fuck out of these ribs.
Yeah, here's a log, but pretend we're fighting the Russians. The the vets seemed like they.
They backed them. So, I mean, who's that? Jalen hurts? Jalen hurts? Has not really.
But like Fletcher, Cox, like Ryder, who's the most important person going forward on the Eagles?
Jalen hurts, for sure. Fletcher Cox, I think he said, That's a clown question, bro, right, he?
Pulled the Bryce Harper on him? Something like that? Yeah, Jason Kelsey also was. Well, he's not.
Going to be on the team anymore, he might be, he doesn't really care, he'll probably be in like.
You know, he'll probably be in the front office or something, he'll be, he'll be attached, he.
Pulled a great move yesterday. If you guys are going through McDonald's drive-thru, I would take Kelsey as my head coach. He gave an autographed jersey to his favorite drive-thru worker. How?
How mad would you guys be if you were retiring and didn't get to reveal it on the podcast?
Well, he did, he's going to, he said. He's not retiring yet, he hasn't made the decision. But that was a Yeah, it's because he wants to do it on the podcast. We would never save.
Something for the podcast? I respect that, I respect that game. Oh, of course, yeah.
That's.
A day one podcast guy move Yeah, it's still upsetting. You wait to announce your girlfriend on the podcast, you break up with your coach on the podcast, that sort of thing.
Yeah, that would be getting broken up with if. If Nick Sirianni made Jason Kelsey retire, it's just basically saying, I don't want to, I don't want to play for this guy anymore, I want Jason Kelsey to be.
The head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles Oh, okay, yeah, I like that leader of men.
Leader of Men Leader of Men Pete Briscoe has completely changed Max's outlook. He's just he's just been walking around, being like, we need a leader of men. I love that you had the.
The wrongest guy on the show this year? And you're like, Yeah, you know what he's right about that.
No something about those words. I'm like, you know, what is it? The leader, leader of men?
Or.
Is it the men that you like? I like the men. Nick Sirianni might actually be a perfect college.
Coach his corny shit would work, yeah, cause those guys can leave after a couple of years.
Yeah, oh, Max down bad. Okay, we're going to get into the games. All protein bars generally.
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COM Okay, Saturday Texans going to Baltimore. maybe some weather, maybe some cold weather. The Baltimore Ravens have to win this game. We had a narrative going on.
Okay, yeah, this is the game big time narrative, right?
If he doesn't win this game, then that's going to, that's going to follow him around for the rest of his career. It's this.
Specific game I understand that, you know, Lamar needs to win a Super Bowl to get in that next level, but this specific game. Because, you know, if you play the Bills or Chiefs next round, that's a coin flip game, anything can happen. You're a 10 point favorite, nine and a half point favorite at home against the Houston Texans. Rookie head coach, rookie QB. You have to win this game if you're the.
Baltimore Ravens Yeah, I said that I was going to stop doubting C.J. Stroud. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to doubt C.J. Stroud until he gives me a reason to. So, um, I I think.
The Ravens, I don't know, I don't want to say that they're in trouble, but they've had two weeks off, right? So is this too much rest because week 18 they didn't play any of their starters?
And then last week, obviously, they had the bye week. John Harbaugh, though, too much rest, he's.
Been biohacking with the trip to London? Maybe he biohacked this week, I don't know how biohacked the two weeks in a row. I don't know how he would do it, but maybe he did it.
Yeah, so I've no reason.
To doubt. C.J. Stroud Uh, so I'm not going to, Uh, we've got D'Amico Ryan's and there was a clip of him. Did you see the clip from the Browns game? Where he was talking to his linebacker? And he was saying, Hey, the quarterback, when he moves to this side, slide right in front of his receiver, yeah. And then there was a clip that they edited in of of D'Amico back when he played undercutting his guy against Joe Flacco.
Yup, and then his linebacker steps in pick six to the house. I'm not going to doubt D'Amico, I'm not going to doubt C.J. Stroud. I. Still, the Ravens are a better team all around, but I don't know the the the Texans have lightning in a bottle right now.
And, uh, I, I kind of I'm leaning towards them, okay, at least against the spread.
I am going to doubt them, well, I'm not going to doubt C.J. Stroud, but I'm going to more. Stamp and approval of the Baltimore Ravens and the style of football they play and their entire team. Cause it's not, you know, Lamar has receivers. Now, Mark Andrews is going to be back.
Dalvin Cook.
Watch out playoff Dalvin. Yeah, playoff D is back.
Is Mark Andrews actually playing? I know?
He practiced questionable, but it likely has been great. So, you know, it might be. We're going to wait another week with Mark Andrews. The Ravens defense, though, is what I'm betting on in this game. And, uh, I'll read you a quote from Patrick Queen, and I'll then tell the context behind it.
He said We play a brand of football that people don't want to play. Everybody wants to be out here being cute, playing basketball and grass and stuff, and we are not. With all that you can do, all that stuff, we're just going to hit you in the mouth.
Every play, honestly, we couldn't care less about all the pretty stuff you do, gimmick stuff. You'll have to line up and play football, you still have to get touched. So that's our mindset. That's how we want to come out and just hit people in the mouth.
So that's Patrick Queen's quote. When was that Patrick Queen quote from? After the 49ers game, the Ravens played, the 49ers kicked the shit out of them.
The Ravens played, the dolphins, kicked the shit out of them. Bobby Slowick Where did he come from? San Fran?
KylE ShanAhAN Yeah, I think the Ravens defense.
Going to kick the shit out of them. Do you think that I would not say that the Texans offense is?
Candy ass or gimmicky, it's not, but there's some concepts that are the same. And I think that the Ravens defense what they can do to confuse people. You know they have they, they move safeties around, you know, they get pressure with four, they get pressure with blitzes. I just I think the Ravens defense is a Ravens defense statement game. Take Lamar out of it.
I think there's a Ravens defense statement game that this is a different defense than what the Texans have been playing. And yeah, the Browns had a very good defense this year, but they sucked on Saturday. Uh, last Saturday, and they, they did. They weren't great on the road, but the string of defenses the Texans have played, I think this is a totally different piece. You know who who's?
Rooting the hardest for the Texas this weekend. The S2 Cognition Test. People, yes, the ones that said that C.J. Stroud couldn't process things quickly, yes.
I'll, I'll quickly flip back to that. I'll be like, I should have trusted the science if the Texans fail on the road. But yeah, something about C.J. Stroud, I don't know, he's wise beyond his years, he's incredible.
The defense for the Ravens is concerning. It's a really fucking good defense and they do hit you in the mouth. But I don't think that the Texas offense is gimmicky. I don't think that it's, I don't think it's based on tricks. They don't run that many, like, No, they don't, but it's just.
It's I just think that this defense is going to. I think they're going to swarm them, I think they're going to confuse them. I think they're going to do a lot of stuff that. Like, again, this is like, the Texas have been incredible and C.J. Stroud is incredible. I've said at many times, I mean, best rookie season ever.
And there's like four quarterbacks I'd rather have over him, right this second. I just think this Ravens defense statement statement game for the Ravens defense, maybe bad weather statement game Weather forecast for this weekend in.
Baltimore, Uh, 27 as the high, and it's going to be winds of up to 17 miles per hour. Run the football, Lamar's going to run a lot. Also might fuck with the Texans kicking game because everyone always talks about three or not three rivers. But Heinz Field, whatever it's called now being the hardest place to kick, Baltimore, very, very hard to kick to unless you kicked.
There all the time. Yeah, yeah, um, anyone else like anything in this game? Lamar over.
Russian I like that, I like, uh. Odell, over 50 receiving yards is paying out two to one because their Stingley is going to probably match up against Safe Flowers. And last week, the Browns, I think they, uh, they stayed away from, uh, their number one receiver, Cooper, I think 80 of the time. So I like, I like the balls going to Odell this weekend.
Yeah, uh, all right. Do you have nerd nuggets? I do great for the Houston Texans last week.
Quarterback C.J. Stroud passed Justin Herbert for the second most passing yards. Oh oh, for the second most passing yards ever by a rookie, including post-season. Stroud now only trails Andrew Luck for the record and can break it by throwing for 303 yards on Saturday. Okay, meanwhile, for the Ravens, do do, do do nerd nugget of the week.
Okay, Ravens head coach John Harbaugh has a chance to lead the Ravens to their fourth AFC Championship game during his tenure, all of which came between 2008 and 2012. John and his brother Jim, formerly of the 49ers, are the only head coaches in NFL history to advance to three conference title games in their first.
Five years as N.F.L. head coaches, that's pretty cool. Good for the Harbaugh's. Yeah, Jim did it in his first three.
I have a bird nugget. okay, bird nugget for the Ravens of the week. Did you know that ravens can mimic the sound of toilet flushing? Oh, yeah.
I didn't know. That's pretty cool. I almost want to get a raven and just have it do the toilet flush. If they lose, that's an easy layup joke. Yeah, it is.
Yeah, or if Lamar has to sprint to the bathroom, also a highly.
Respected mind that I take a lot of info from, said that playing in a dome versus playing outside, different game, different game. A hundred percent. That was Benjamin Mintz.
Yep, he told me that.
It's fact, it's fact, it is fact. There was, I think, they asked Todd Bowles that this weekend about going up to Detroit. They're like, How are you preparing for the weather?
He's like.
Well, it's inside. And then, of course, like every story that ever happens online, then we had a bunch of people being like, it's fucked up. People are making fun of this reporter, she probably isn't covering this. Be just shut up.
It's a fucking, it's a funny clip, she thought the.
Lines were playing outside. Leave it, that's it. I think we can laugh about that, yeah.
Just chill.
It's okay, we can just have a moment and then move on. No one's crucifying her, no one's saying anything bad, just it was a funny moment.
Todd Bowles handled it well. Uh, okay, next game Packers at 49ers, I'm also going to take the 49ers in this game. I I feel like we fall for it every year, where it's like the one seat you don't see play.
And then some team has a big upset because they're a lower seed and you're like, Well, they just want to play off game, they're so hot.
They're pretty good, niners are also pretty good. So the Packers game against the, Uh, the Cowboys was very similar to the 49ers game again, also against the Cowboys, correct?
So you think that they might match up? Uh, I think the 49ers defense is much, much better than the Cowboys in terms of, like the dudes that they have. Yup, minus Mike Parsons, obviously in Cowboys, they've got some good cornerbacks, but they're getting Eric Armstead back, yup.
So you've got Chase Young, you've got Joey Bosa, and you've got Eric Armstead rushing the passer. I think that's going to be a.
Nightmare for Green Bay. I also think the bigger difference between the Cowboys and the 49ers when playing against the Packers is the Cowboys couldn't run the ball all year. And like, they just couldn't they. Tony Pollard had a disappointing year. They were never able to get a good ground game. Guess what the 49ers can do?
They can run the fucking foot, they can run the fucking football, and they can also, even if they're not running it in a handoff. They could do swing passes and screen passes, and Christian McCaffrey can run all over me, you know, he's probably he's had what three weeks off now because he didn't play in that last week game or two weeks off.
So he's going to be healthy. Yeah, I think the Niners are going to take it to him. Yeah, I also love the over in this game.
It's my nuclear missile whale play.
Did you know the history between Lafleur? And you have Sean McVay, who was, I guess, kind of referring to Lafleur as his older brother, even though Sean McVay was his boss? Back in 2017, when they were on the Rams, they got into a fight after practice. I think there were 10 and one at the time. They got into a fight, spilled over into the coach's office, they started screaming at each other.
Lafleur said, Fire me, just fucking fire me, and McVay said, I'm not going to fire you. I quit. So McVay said that he was going to quit because Lafleur wanted Sean McVay to fire him, and then Lafleur had to tell Sean McVay No, don't quit.
Don't quit. So. Then shot, then LaFleur rehired Sean McVay in that fight, and then he became what we all know of Sean McVay today, okay?
So they've got obviously a lot of history. Um, we're going to get this.
WeeK Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan? Uh, this was Sean McVay and Matt Lafleur and Matt Lafleur.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is like, they've got. We're going to get the fucking graphic this weekend of the Kyle Shanahan coaching for you, which has somehow crept to include Chris Forrester, the offensive line coach in San Francisco. He's the yeah, Chris Forrester was the guy that snorted all that coke on that video, and then he's been rock dudes.
Aren't allowed to have fun anymore, I think he snorted Coke and then sent the video to like a hooker to impress her. I don't know what was going on. That's impressive, dude's rock moment.
But, uh, yeah, he's been, he's been successfully rehabbed to the point where he's now included on the graphic with Bobby Slowick. And, uh, you've got a lot. Just the graphic keeps getting bigger, it gets bigger, it gets bigger.
All the time, and I hate it. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's. It's haunting for you. I understand, because they really just show it all the time, yeah.
All the time, um, so you just take the.
Packers I am going to take the niners on this. Okay, yeah, yeah.
I just and the packers.
Like the Niners do have the Packers number, they've beaten them, I think, three times in the playoffs in the last four or five years. Yeah, great, they're, they're my Lord and savior.
They are the protector, they're the night's watch. I need the pack like I won't be nervous if the Packers somehow win this game.
It's threat level. Midnight. Is that? It's like, what the fuck is happening? And I Jordan Love is really, really, goddamn good. He's going to have to be perfect to win this game.
He was perfect last week, he was perfect last week. If he does that again, then they could absolutely win this game. I'm not, but I just I think that the Niners are going to play with a lead. I think they're going to play their bully ball kind of.
You know, lean on people. If they play with a lead, I think they can win. But their run defense has really good stats this year. That's only because they always play with the lead, right? So teams only get. Aaron Jones is good.
They get like 50 yards rushing against the Niners because guess what, you're down by like 17 points in the first quarter. Is Jair?
Alexander going to play, he's doubtful, I saw, so we don't know, yeah.
Yeah, okay, uh, nerd nugget.
After last week's humongous performance three touchdowns, Packers running back Aaron Jones is now the franchise leader in rushing touchdowns in the post-season. With seven of them. He's also now tied with Devonta Adams with eight total post-season touchdowns. And one more on Saturday night would put him at number two in franchise history. That's surprising to me that that he's.
Their franchise leader with seven. You said, rushing, yeah, in rushing touchdowns, considering how many times I've been to the playoffs. But they always had, like, a revolving Eddie Lacey.
Guys, Eddie Lacey China China food.
He's the best he was, he was the best. Just didn't I know you want me to lose weight?
Not going to lose weight, yeah, for the Niners, sorry.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, yeah, oh, we couldn't. yeah, go ahead.
This season, 49, is running back Christian McCaffrey led the NFL with 1,459 rushing yards. He became the first player since 1995 and only the fourth since 1970 to lead the NFL in rushing. After every single week of an entire.
Season start to finish. Did you know that? He also finished with 2023 all purpose yards, and he's the first player to ever finish with the same number of yards as the year. You're joking, I swear to God.
That's an incredible stat. Can you believe that shit? Like all the years, all the year I thought of it, I just I sat down in my head. I mentally added up every week of his yards because I keep track of that internally.
And then I was like, Wait, what year is it? that's it that might be.
The stat of the year, I think it's Saturday, the year of the year, the year, the other three.
Running backs to lead after each week Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton and O.J. Simpson. Oh, okay.
MurD Nugget of the Week Yeah, good company, minus one. Uh, okay.
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, the box. Going to the Lions I'm nervous for the Lions because I was thinking about a narrative wise, the Lions have had a dream season yet. All the, all the energy and everything going beating Stafford.
It was like an incredible moment. Sprinkles came back. We found that out on Sunday night. Uh, and then the box, like, as a franchise, they've obviously won two Superbowls, no disrespect to the box, but like the box to come in and steal, it would just be.
It would be very sad, it'd be heartbreaking, yeah, especially if the Packers win. And then you could have, you could have hosted the NFC Championship game.
Um, I liked the quote from Dan Campbell this week, he said to those fans that had her back. You deserve this. For the doubters, stay off our train, it's too late for you.
Love that he's not opening up the bandwagon, the bandwagon is shut, and it's the tree he just loves. Train metaphors. He started out off, uh, hard knocks with that a couple of years ago, when it was like Metallica lyrics.
Yeah, yeah, they're fucking trained right now. I think they're going to roll over the box. I think the box past defense on the road is one of the worst in the league.
And the line got a lot of guys healthier, though now the line, the lines passing offense is one of the best in the league. At home, they're going to blitz, and the moon is right, too. Don't forget.
Oh, it is, I believe it makes you feel confident. I believe it's a waxing gibbous this week. Yeah, I think the lines are three in one in that type.
Of Moon. I'm rooting for the Lions to beat the box, but I'm nervous that the way the lines play football with their secondary, it feels like every team can always get back in the game.
Can I give you a an addition that they're making this week that you might not be thinking about? Okay, James Houston Oh, James Houston was very good when he was playing last year. Uh, he's been injured.
He's been out, he's back, I think he's going to be ready to go. Okay, I think that's. That could make a difference because you watch how good their pass rush was last week against Matt Stafford.
Yup, and there was a lot of emotion, definitely in the building. They wanted to hit Matt Stafford around. Um, I think getting him back, they're going to get after Baker.
He's not the most mobile right now, cause he's still a little dinged up. I have a, uh, a prop stat.
For everyone out there, uh, from my guys at Sports Info Solutions. The Lions defense allowed, uh, the third most completions and fourth most yards to the slot receiver position. Okay, Chris Godwin, maybe look at him, okay?
That's a, I mean, if you're looking for, if you're looking for some props, I'm always looking for an angle. Yeah, look for value. ChrIS GoDWIN Uh, it does lead the Bucks in terms of a reception, yards targets from the slot.
I just want Detroit to win this game. I do too, I do too very badly. I'm just I. There's something that makes me nervous about, just like I feel like most Lions games have gone the similar way. Where it's like, they look really good in the first half and then they just kind of hold on. So that's why the six and a half makes you nervous.
Maybe, like, I think the lines are going to win.
I don't know about the six and a half, maybe Lions first half, take that bet, yeah.
I don't hate that. Probably a winning bet of arrest advantage for the Lions. They get an extra day and they don't have to travel. Yeah, hmm.
Okay, maybe we do that. What are you thinking? Detroit Grit, Detroit, now are you hopping on the Lions?
Because people Lions fans might be like, Hey, isn't this the Cowboys fan? Because then it would maybe blow up. No again, uh?
You know, for the for the uninformed. My original Cowboys fandom came from a future. My Future is a season War. The Dolphins and the Cowboys. Those are my regular season futures that.
I had was fraudulent teams in the world. But wait, you, you rooted for the Cowboys last season?
Because of the future, that's how this whole thing started, which is how I preface this.
Cause, remember he last year he put a future on on the Cowboys, cause he was like Tom Brady is.
Washed. So the Cowboys are going to beat him. Nope, that was not true, I put it long before the playoff matchup.
However, uh, it's tough to find really good value. Uh, you know, this late in the playoffs. But my big brain thought I cooked up something smart. I parlayed to an NFC team with Celtics win the championship, and I parlayed an AFC team, oh, Celtics win a championship, oh those two teams. Spicy lions bills, Oh, cause that's the, that's the, that's the matchup.
I want to see in the Superbowl just for, just for the vibes, that would be an incredible match I've.
Been thinking about that. I want both those teams to win somehow, but I don't think I want to see.
Them play each other. But again, remember, we would get to dunk on everyone for the I know there's, there's that factor to it. Yeah, like we had, we had the Superbowl before, everyone else, yeah.
And Jared? I love Jared. I'm so happy for Jared. Yeah, I want to, I want to see the Lions keep going. Uh, I want to talk to Detroit Don again.
Now the question is like, imagine a podcast?
With, Uh, Ed and Alicia Detroit Don super fan, that would be, that would be, we wouldn't even.
Have to get guests with Superbowl and sprinkles four of them together. Yeah, now here's something I've been tossing around and I don't want to get ahead of myself. But if the Lions somehow win this game and then they go to San Francisco, so let's assume that the Niners win the lines. When we're just again, nothing set, just hypothetical.
Do you think that we should try to get Detroit Don and Super Fan here for a stream with a dump button, but toss it around, I would love to see.
Their reaction? We'll be with a delay, with a delay. Do you think I feel like they probably have a bar that they go to every weekend for every game? No, they strike me as a living room.
Set up guys. So I wouldn't want to mess with it, I would offer it, but I would not want to mess.
With it, also with those guys, it's like, what's in it for them? I mean, it'd be great stream.
Content But this is how many runs do you get? It actually would be mean, cause you'd have to like, Yeah, you're right, you're right. I w. I want to be with them.
If they win, I do, I like watching them lose, and then they would blame us if they lost. So yeah, we might have to send, maybe send.
Mincy to do some field reporting with them in Detroit. You want to get their reactions, but they should be in there, they should be allowed to be in their element. All right, I'm.
Happy we talked it out. You're absolutely right. Yeah, cause if they were on the live stream.
Chances are, I mean, the 49ers would be favored by quite a bit that weekend. So you likely to be inviting them to broadcast and live stream their own funeral. Which people?
Love to see Max, he's died about a hundred times. Yeah, he's a star, I love it.
Keeps coming back.
Yeah, who are you rooting for in the playoffs, Max?
Um, I'm Lions all the way. Yeah, Corey has also asked me to not do that. No, the opposite, he wants me to be like his emotional support.
Are you going to get into Honolulu blue jumpsuit?
No, I said, I, I, I have one for you. I thought he's dressed up as a lion. I have a jumpsuit.
You can wear on Sunday. I don't, I don't like this, I don't like this at all. Why are we trying?
To beat you like respect, like, you know they're the better team, I want the team that beat us.
There's a real fuckload of Lions fans out there that are like, keep Max away from our team. The real thing, Dan Campbell said. He doesn't want you what he's.
Dan Campbell said, He doesn't want you, he said. He said, Stay off our train, it's too late for you.
But I'm not like a real fan, I. The real thing is, I need the Niners to lose and there's no way.
The Bucks can beat the niners. I really need the niners. Oh, I know, I really need the niners to lose. This is great.
We need the Niners to win. No, I really need the PFT, we need the Niners. Because he basically is saying that last year was such a fluke because Brock Purdy got hurt. So if the Niners go to the Super Bowl, it literally eliminates it, eliminates all the Eagles success.
And then, except for one little piece, Nick Sirianni still there. We need the Niners to win. Oh my God, you shouldn't have said that out loud, you know? It'd be great, though.
Yes, like, if brock, if brock, Purdy has a minor injury, right? Let's say there's something small happens minor ankle injury. Can't play in most of the game and the 49ers beat the fuck out of the Packers.
And then next next round, they beat the fuck out of whoever and they go to the Super Bowl.
Without Brock Purdy, that would be good for me. Yeah, that'd be good for him, cause he would be.
Like, we were that good, yeah, then they would be like, all right, what's your argument, what's?
Your argument last year, if you just did it this year, I just thought, I, I go back to saying you.
Should not root for the Lions. No, he needs. We need the 49ers to win and and win big, and so that way we can be like, retroactively, the 49ers should have been in the Super Bowl against the.
Chiefs got it, yeah, stay away, stay far away.
DETROIT Keep this man, keep this man far away.
From your children, you guys gave me life. I love this, I'm I, I'm going to be Niner's Dan.
This is great, I have so much new, newfound life. Love for football. Niner's Dan rolling up they.
Should have been back to back champs. You said we, you, you. We haven't played the interview yet, but you said we should be supporting our boys in 2024. You never support your boys, we don't.
Want you supporting our boys? Yeah, well, Joe Flacco is our boy, you're not our boy. And also rooting for the Eagles last year.
I was rooting for the Eagles last year. Spoiler alert But in.
The interview There's a lot of South Philly guys around Flacco that doubt them. We need you to also doubt people to give them motivation. Yeah, have you ever thought about that? Maybe you're just such a powerful force that having you root against somebody gives them so much to overcome.
I didn't.
See this angle with the Niners, and now that he said it out loud, it's fucking on the Niners.
Are a wagon and that'd be a double win for you because max the Packers losing. Oh yeah, well.
It's already rooting for the Niners, but I'm saying like, I'm rooting for them to get to the Superbowl now. Because I want, I want it to be erased. That's double misery, we need to make it. He's going to deal with 49ers fans being like you never would have beaten us.
We got to make it.
So that, uh, when the Niners eventually win, they use Max in their in their postgame. You like to?
Do with Floria. Yes, yes, yes. And if he doesn't say anything, we can just do the AI.
We'll do ai.
Max So you're saying that if the Niners play the Lions in the in the conference Championship?
You're going to be rooting for the Niners, I'm saying that I don't want you rooting for.
Either team, in that case, I'll be rooting for whichever team wins. I'm rooting for the Lions, I'm rooting for whichever team ends up winning that way.
We're going to root out a.
Winner We're going to root the, uh, the over on that game. well, we're going to root for our.
Personal friends to just crush it have the games of their lives. Uh, all right, wait.
Did we do Nerd Nugget? Not only have the Buccaneers won a bunch of playoff games since 2020, but Tampa Bay has won a good chunk of them with some breathing room. They're, plus, 64 playoff points margins since 2020 is the best in the NFL. And we're not going to talk about who was responsible for that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I brought up the Jordan Lutz that Aaron Rodgers in At&T.
Stadium and look, what happened, right? The Bucs, the Bucs are different, they're different. I don't hate the Bucs.
In fact, I think Baker Mayfield is a great story. He should be the comeback player of the year this year, and I will never root against Baker Mayfield. I think he's what, what?
I don't know Baker was even on on, I look, I like Baker, I've always liked Baker.
No, he was in Cleveland. They, they, they pulled a come back. It might be a stretch.
They pulled a philly on them, they ran them out of town. Yeah, also, they just won by 23, that's plus 23 with Baker.
Yeah, oh yeah. That was the Eagles last week. And then, uh. For the Lions, combining the regular season and post-season. The most rusting rushing touchdowns a player has had their first season with the Lions.
David Montgomery, 14 this year, Barry Sanders, 14 in 1989.
One more touchdown for Montgomery, the most ever rushing touchdowns by a line in.
Their first season? Great player, great player. I would never let him walk out that door, nope.
The run Nope, uh, all right. Last game. Chiefs of Bills.
No joke, I think I might have a cane.
Sauce problem I was at raising canes the other day, getting my box combo with extra sauce on the side. Like usual, I have an order. When I eat my canes, it goes crinkle. Cut fries, chicken fingers, the Texas toast and finish strong with the slaw.
So I start eating and before I know it, I'm scraping the bottom of my sauce and I wasn't even done with my fries. Yet this habit is escalating and I'm 100 here for it. Dip into canes. Get extra sauce for me, please.
All right, chiefs of Bills. I don't know if I'm emotionally ready for this game. Oh, I am. I'm very ready for this game.
I'm very nervous. I mean, people have already accused us of being the Glazers of Buffalo. I'm rooting for the bills. I think the chiefs are going to win.
So, um, Taylor is going to the game, I heard, and she better be careful every time you say.
That I'm like Taylor one, and then I remember that, oh yeah, that singer, whatever her name is.
Yeah, uh, Taylor, um, swift. Oh, I recommended wig nuts to her. Haven't heard back, yeah.
Yeah, uh, I think she's going to have to be careful in Buffalo, not because they're going to attack her, but because I think that if she's not careful. She could fall in love with somebody that builds big time, she's going to fall in love with energy everywhere. Pinto Ron Yeah.
Pinto Ron is going to take her home. Yeah, Pinto Ron might be in her box, one of those guys who jumps in the pit, yeah.
For the game, yeah, they've been doing that. Is she going to break a table? That'd be sick?
That would be sick if they lit her on fire and she broke a table she's been so like.
You know, uptight, proper little miss Hollywood for the longest time. She's going to see some real men in Buffalo. It's going to be like, I didn't know that, I know this was even an option.
Some beefy men with a with a Buffalo wing hat on. It'd be, Oh, it'd be great if she over.
If she did go to the Pinto Ron tailgate and she just got browsers with ketchup and mustard, yes, right to the face. I'm looking out for that. I'm a race. Buffalo Taylor on the field.
Uh, some to look out for this weekend. It's a the ref is Sean Hockley. Sean Hockley loves roughing the passers. And if you were to think of like two quarterbacks, that would get a lot.
Of these calls do a good job of getting, selling them, they both do a good job. Yeah, well, yeah.
They're very good at at making sure the ref see roughing the passers. I feel like Sean Hockley.
Is going to have a legacy day. Yeah, I, uh. So I'm very nervous for this game for the Bills. Their defensive injuries have been insane. I've they're so bad. I've started following this account called Banged up Bills, which it could be like a porn site, maybe being up bills.
Um, they have two linebackers who are limited practice or did not practice, two cornerbacks that are limited practice, did not practice. Uh, Bernard Dodson, uh, Johnson Benford, and then that doesn't even count. Result Douglas, who I think is going to play. But that feels like a lot. They've had a lot of injuries, the quarterback and linebacker position, Josh's Allen's going to have to play a superhuman game.
And then the stat, that is a scary stat. Patrick Mahomes, as an underdog, is seven and three straight up in eight, one in one as, uh.
Against the spread in his career, I would imagine that most of the games he's been underdogs. It's only by a couple of points, though. Yeah, but yeah.
Uh, is this Patrick Mahomes of the playoffs? The Chiefs are again. Like, Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL and to bet against him in the playoffs is very tough to do. But I feel like this Buffalo's here, I so I want to, I want.
To go to our friend Hank here because he can probably speak to this. Um, if Patrick Holmes wins this game, it doesn't feel like this is the part of the brady legacy that he's doing. Where it's like, there's some really great quarterbacks that just can't get through Patrick Mahomes.
Yeah, on the road to, that's been a common, you know, the knock. You can't win on the road or they don't go on the road. I can't win on the road. I like that.
Um, if he doesn't win this.
Game we will say he can't win on the road, but it would be a double whammy, right? Cause it's like, you know, you think, like Phil Rivers, Big Ben, Peyton Manning, like these guys who probably would have had multiple super. I mean, Peyton Manning obviously has multiple Super Bowls. One, the second. With the Broncos, Big Ben has to fill. Rivers has zero. Like they would have had more if Tom Brady wasn't sitting there in the AFC every single year.
Yeah, I mean, it feels like that's this is like the story arc of like all these great quarterbacks that my home's is just.
Snatching super bowls from them? Peyton couldn't until he did, yeah, and then he could, I feel.
Like, that's what's going to happen. I hope, I hope you're. I mean, I'm rooting, I'm root my dick off for the bills. Uh, but I, I. I'm very nervous for this game, for the bills, just cause they're defensive injuries.
It's in it, it's you can't really make excuses. A lot of times. It's the team that's healthiest at this time of year, you know, who is healthy on the bills defense?
Uh, Jordan Poyer, or should I say his actual name, which is a DJ Polio? Oh, have you heard? I can't believe we didn't talk about this when the story came out, like a month ago. JorDAN Poyer He, uh, he went to, I think, Costa Rica. About a year ago did Ayahuasca, and he changed his personality to no longer being Jordan Poyer. It's DJ Polio. Oh, I liked that.
And DJ Polio, apparently, while he's tripping on ayahuasca, he had an out of body experience where he saw his body lecturing himself. So like, he gave himself a pep talk, saying like, you don't need alcohol, you don't need to doubt yourself. I think he's sober now, he's sober now, because DJ Polio told Jordan Poyer You don't need all this stuff.
So he, like, coached himself up on ayahuasca. Do you think DJ Polio?
Polio DJ Polio Polio told Jordan Poyer Like, good job with the wife. Yeah, he did, yeah.
He said.
Also, you need to change some things in life. But, uh, stick with Rachel, Rachel Bushes. Yeah, you did a good job, nice work, yeah.
You know how they met? That was also in the same story that I read what, uh, he was in the NFL. And she liked one of his posts on Instagram. He DM'ed her and she was a freshman in college and they're like, let's hang out.
Wham bam love, thank you ma'am love.
It's love, uh, yeah, they do have a poyer, and, uh, what's the name line? They're two safeties, uh, fuck.
Uh, I mean, he's very good safety. Uh, why is this escaping me right now? Demar Hamlin, Micah Hyde, Micah, hyde.
Thank you. Hyde and Poyer are healthy. It's just that middle and their front, their front four, is healthy. It's just that middle of the defense is just battered, yeah.
Battered Need Matt Milano to do like a Willis Reed? You should do it, just do it, dude, what'd you break your leg?
I'd play, put it back together.
Would you play? Yeah, yeah, I'd walk that shit off. I don't know of the guys I listed.
I feel.
Like, maybe two will play there, one of them, um, has a concussion, so I feel like concussion. I feel like, uh, for some reason, the science and concussions, the the protocol, and coming back from concussions. It becomes lesser amount of days as you get to the playoffs, it's, yeah.
It was something about science. It was like 10 or 20 in the regular season. But the cold weather sets in. You know, cold is an anti-inflammatory, right? So your brain in the cold, is it actually?
Recovers much quicker. That's a fact, that's a fact. All right, Jake Sunday will mark Chiefs.
Patrick Mahomes his first ever road playoff game. In six seasons. He's played 13 playoff games at Arrowhead and he's 11 and two. The former Texas Tech quarterback has only worn a white jersey one time in his post-season career. It was last year in the Superbowl against the Eagles.
They were the road team technically in a Superbowl 55 against the Bucks and lost and last year's Superbowl as well. So it's rare to see my homes in white in the playoffs. Is he an arrowhead merchant? We'll find out. Many are saying, many are saying.
Well, he also won a game in Miami at.
The Superbowl and Phoenix. I'm just saying, Is he an arrowhead merchant? That's what we will be.
Saying about him after this game, Yeah. And then for the Bills Elite protection for Josh Allen. The Bills allowed 24 sacks this season, the fewest in the NFL, and four fewer than the Chiefs, who are next on the list.
The 28 sacks allowed by the Bills are the fewest by any team since 20.
Their 2011 team, What's the Lake doing this weekend? Do we know? I think they dumped more snow, uh, like this week, middle of the week. Who Darpa?
Who? who dumped more snow? The lake, okay?
The lake did, the lake did. It's a great lake. yeah, the lake.
It is, it's one of my, it's one of the five great lakes that we have. Um, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm looking at more snow orchard.
Park weather Uh, for Sunday, it's going to be a low of 15.
So it's going to be, it's going to be football weather. Yup, can the Chiefs play in the cold? We don't know.
Ooh, late winter's.
Handoff to early spring can be increasingly above average temperatures for many. Who? I cause, I just went to Weather.com. That's good. Oh, for us, yeah.
Yeah, oh, it's El Nino, yeah.
We had El Nino, I didn't know it was El Nino rocking with El Nino this year, Oh.
Warmer than average temperatures developed deeper into the new season. Okay, okay, uh.
We ever find out if that video from last week at Arrowhead was real or fake. The one where they they had the bottle of water that instantly froze. Uh, I think it might've been real there.
Was like, 10 people that went to the hospital for hyperthermia. That kind of rocks, yeah, I hope.
They had a special wing in the hospital and, like red and yellow, decked out for them especially.
Rocks. If it was any of the guys with their shirts off, yeah, that's just like real meta genius shit, yup.
Uh, okay, we're excited for games you can watch us streaming all weekend. Uh, I think it's time we should get to our interview with Joe Flacco, which was a great interview, before we do that.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. Super Bowl champion and a champion of our hearts. It is Joe Flacco. Uh, Cleveland Browns quarterback, hopefully Cleveland Browns quarterback. Next year we can get into that, Joe. We have to start, though.
Apologies, happy birthday. Yesterday was your birthday.
Yes, it was 39.
You got it, I appreciate it. Yeah, so we are PFT and I are both January.
1985 guys as well. Yep, so there we go. Yeah, so we're, we're. We're turning 39 at the end.
Of the month How's 39 feel? I'm scared to get there, I wouldn't be. It's all good, man, you know, the older we get, and you know, the better it is.
Yeah, yeah, well, I kind of feel like shit.
Every day. So I'm hoping that once I turned 39, I'll just magically be better, well, eventually.
When the older you get, if you feel like, shit, you're just supposed to, so you know, it starts.
To match up, Yeah, so I was reading, actually before he came on, Um, I saw an article back from 2021. I think about how your kids used to give you shit after Jets games because you were losing. And they'd be like, Dad, you stink, you can't play quarterback. I'm curious to know, were your kids watching the Browns this year?
And did they make up for any of that, were they?
Were they a little bit nicer to you after games?
Uh, you know, it's funny when all the good stuff's happening. They stay pretty quiet. You can just see big smiles on their face. But it's not like they're. It's not like they're jumping out of their seats to come compliment me, that's for sure. Uh, you just have to kind of read their faces and take it for what it is.
I like that.
Though you got just a group of haters in your house, keep you motivated. Listen, true, true.
South Jersey slash Philadelphia. Uh, born kids, that's for sure. uh, just natural born haters.
Yeah, all right, so so obviously, uh, the playoffs didn't go your guy's way. How are you feeling, though, like we? It was an awesome run.
We, we, we. We've been a fan of yours for a very long time. It was great to see you back out there. Do you think like, you're going to be? I want to see you play some more. Is that? Is this reinvigorated you where it's like, cause?
I know you, I think I heard the story, you were, you were doing interviews to be in media. And then next thing, you know, you're playing in the playoffs.
Honestly, man, that's the last thing I want to do is be doing interviews to get myself behind the camera. So, uh, I'm going to try to do this as long as possible and and diminish those possibilities as much as I can. Um, but yeah, I mean, of course, uh, I think anytime you have a a, a two month, um, you know, period, where you're able to play a lot of football and just, you know, have a ton of fun doing it. I just how lucky was I to just get on a team that was ready to make a run like that and just be around a bunch of great guys. Be back into the locker room.
I mean, it just reminded me of all, all of those things, kind of come flooding back to you. I knew I wanted to play, I know I still want to play, but it's just a matter of getting the opportunity to do it. You don't know if that's going to come, and in what you know, in what ways it's going to present itself. So definitely, um, definitely reinvigorated to it.
If that's what you want to say, uh, to get back out there and do it.
You made a lot of GMs look stupid this year because this was the year where a lot of quarterbacks got hurt and we saw a lot of guys get their shot. And then you show up and it's like, Wait, yeah, Joe Flacco is really goddamn good, like, why? why wasn't Joe Flacco getting the call?
Yeah, it's, it's, it's tough, you know? I think when you're around the league, you see a bunch of things happen and not everything makes sense. Some things do, it just is what it is. You have to be able to keep your head up and go with the flow to a certain extent. Um, you know, listen, I honestly. For me, it's tough to think about the calls that I didn't get. Because I did end up getting one and it ended up being a really good one.
I really do think you know so much about playing quarterback in this league, you know, uh, is about handling what you can handle. But at the same time, um, you want to be in a good situation with good football players and good coaches. And um, uh, I think that's kind of what I was put in, I was.
Lucky enough to be put in that situation. So what is it exactly about Cleveland that made it such a?
Good fit for you, I'll tell you what, man, that city? Um, it's interesting. Um, I don't know why it ends up being a fit the way it was, but it's, it's, it's obvious. You can, you can kind of figure out why you fit in the locker room and with the coaches. Because you're around those guys every single day and it's just awesome to, kind of, you know, make those new friends and make those relationships.
But I do think there was something special about just being there and the way that people treated me and the team. That the way, you know, the few weeks that I was there, I definitely felt a lot of love. Uh, my family did as well. Um, I, I don't necessarily. I don't want to say people were going out of their way, but it was, you know, and I don't go out of my way to go out. Uh, I kind of went from my went from the facility to my apartment every now and then grabbed a cup of coffee, facility apartment coffee. You know, the people were just unbelievable and you could feel the excitement in the city. Uh, you can just tell that they're hungry for some winning football.
And you know, it was nice to get to that point in the year where you can play some meaningful games. But you know, they're, they're craving, uh, some playoff wins and a chance at that Superbowl. So you can, you can just feel the energy of that in the city.
Did you feel a little bit weird playing for the Browns, playing for a division rival, the Ravens? Like when you went into the facility the first time, you had to be like, Am I, am I a traitor?
Oh man, uh, what a way to put it. Uh, am I a traitor? Um, you know what I think?
If it was right after the time that I was in Baltimore, it would have been a little bit different. But I had been on a couple of different teams at this point. I mean, I've been in Denver, I've been in Philly, I've been in New York. I've also seen the business side of this. And just how, you know, listen, guys want to play football, I'm one of those guys that wants to play football.
And um, if these guys are willing to give me a job, then, um, then yeah, I want to go in there and test it out. Um, and so so, I do think there was, there's probably something to it. If I went right from Baltimore to Cleveland, um, and it wasn't traded there, maybe I chose to go there. I could see how that was. I mean, having said that, everybody, obviously the first question people ask is, you know what's it like? Man? Did you ever think you'd be in Cleveland if you're playing there all those years?
And obviously not. But um, it, it was, it was. It didn't feel weird being in there, it felt like being back in the locker room. Uh, you know. And for somebody that didn't get to do that for a couple of months through training camp in September, October, most of November, it just felt good to be part of a locker room. Um, I mean, I guess in one way, I mean, I've really. The Baltimore organization came from there, you know, we. When I was in Baltimore, I mean, people had, you know, obviously, good stories about being in Cleveland. There's people from that organization in the front office that came from there.
Matt Stover was still on the team he played in Cleveland. I mean, so in one respect, you can kind of see the connection between the two. I know it's not necessarily the greatest thing between the fans, uh, especially in Cleveland and stuff like that. But um, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of cool, the way things.
Work out, yeah, the um. So I want to take it back a little bit because you're an all-time confidence guy. Even this year. Like the stories about how you know you're out of the league, but you're still practicing, you're still, you're going out with your family. Uh, throwing balls. You, you know, the the famous story about betting on yourself and the year you win the Superbowl free agency all-time confidence guy.
But I didn't realize this, but I was reading about it. There was a time when you were in Delaware where you wanted to quit football, we were like.
Maybe I should just play baseball. Is that true? Uh, I always, as with every story, there's like truths in this in the story. Um, by the end of my junior year, I mean, no, I didn't want to quit football, um, the first year, I had a Delaware. But when I was looking at colleges, coming out of high school, playing baseball at some point was something that I had entertained. And at least wanted to leave the option open to whether I could have played college baseball or not.
Who knows? Um, I brought it up to my, to my football coach, and, you know, to to Casey Keeler when I was at Delaware. And he pretty quickly shot it down and I was, and at that point, I was okay with that. You know, uh, he loves telling the story about, you know, kind of how, how Joe, Joe wanted to play baseball. And Joe, I think you're going to be okay. Like, just stick with the football thing.
And like, you know, he has, he's got a whole story about it, which I love, and it's awesome for him to tell. But but no, I mean, there is things I, of course, like, Yeah, I did entertain wanting to play baseball, but it had nothing to do with not wanting to play football. I mean, obviously, when you transfer from a Division One school to a Division One double a school FCS school. Um, yeah, there's thoughts that go through your head, like, damn, like, can I do this? Um, and I think that's where, like, family members and friends, and like, you know, being able to have that support system to keep your confidence. Going through those kind of, like, you know, year and a half, a little bit of tough times that you have, um, and then you kind of come out of that, um, so yeah, like that definitely helped.
And there's definitely doubt that creeps into your head, I mean, shoot like, like the last two months, you don't think there was doubt that creeped into my head. But I mean, it happens all the time. I think that's such a big thing, um, and part of it is just kind of, that's what you know is finding that daily routine. And and all those different things that distract you from like yourself and all those bad thoughts going into your head. You don't want that shit, man.
You want to go out there and you want to play and you want to think you're the man. And when you're not doing that, it is tough to think that. Uh, so you have to trick yourself to a certain extent, but more so, you just have to find things that you love to do. That distract you from having those thoughts so related off that.
You're at Delaware and people are like, Hey, you're going to get drafted? at what point? were you? like, Wait, I actually am going to get drafted in pretty high. I mean, being a first rounder like, cause I would imagine the process of transferring being it. Like you said, one double A, you're thinking, like, all right, maybe I'll get drafted like late in the draft and have a shot.
Did it? Was there a moment where you're like, Oh shit, all these people telling me I'm going to get drafted really high like it actually might happen. Yeah, that's the.
That's the thought process is when I go, like, okay, when you come out of high school and when you're a little kid like, man, I want to be a first round pick, I want to do this. And then you're transferring down a level and you're like, all right, I'm going to have to, like, you know, get picked late. Maybe if I play well here, maybe I'll be a free agent and like, after seeing how all that works, I mean, that's a tough path, especially even if that is the even. If that does happen and you do find yourself, you know, in a mini camp or whatever it is, that's a tough path.
So, um, went through that process. Even on draft day, like at that point, I was like, Okay, I'm going to be, I'm pretty confident I'm going to be drafted here. But even coming from a small school, it's like, is it? Is it going to be the first round? is it going to be the third or fourth round? when's this going to be? You know, I was very reluctant to, like, let people come into my house and film that day. Because I'm like, I don't know when I'm going to be picked to your guys.
Like, you could be here for three days and it's not that bad of a thing. Because it's not like I'm going somewhere myself. You guys are coming into my house. But um, but yeah, I did. Definitely didn't, you know? Wasn't super confident that I was going to be picked in the first round, which I was. Uh, it could have been third, fourth round, still, you know?
I you never really know. Yeah, it ended up being the perfect fit with the Ravens. I heard that they loved you because of your arm and your ability to play in adverse weather conditions. Which you have to do, you know, certainly in that division, so you get to the team. And, uh, I don't know if you have a chip on your shoulder or what your motivation is at that point. But when did you first realize, like, Yeah, I belong here?
I can start in the NFL, you know, it's one of those.
Things like every time you go up a level, there's a little bit of time where you have enough, you have your your. There's uncomfortable, you're uncomfortable, and I think that's necessary. To get to that next level, you have to be able to deal with that uncomfort and like, you know, not being comfortable. And I think it makes you better when you kind of can go through that and get and get to that next level. So by the time you're a fifth year senior or whatever you are, you're the guy in college, you're feeling good.
You've already gotten past that and now you realize, man, I'm going to have to go through it again. I don't have to walk into a brand new locker room where nobody has any inkling as to how well I can play. And maybe I can't, you know. And they're probably thinking, now this guy probably can't play, but let's see. And you got to go prove to everybody on your team that you can play.
And then you have to get the confidence to to kind of at least fake it. That you feel like you're that guy in the beginning and then eventually become that guy. So my my first year, the first off season, the first training camp, kind of weird. We had Troy Smith and Kyle Bowler on the team and I think they were kind of battling out to be the starter. And Kyle ended up hurting his shoulder and Troy ended up coming down with a sickness for like, a month and two months.
I mean, it was something crazy, so kind of by just, you know, happenstance, I ended up being that guy. And I think, as soon as you become the guy, and as soon as. So, I remember it was this. We were playing the St. Louis Rams back in St. Louis third preseason game.
I wasn't supposed to play at all. It's supposed to be Troy and Kyle split down the middle, Kyle gets hurt at the beginning of the week and Troy. I forget. If he made the trip, I think he made the trip, but it was like, he's pretty sick.
We don't know if he's going to make it. And the morning of the game, they told me, Joe, you're the only quarterback, you're playing the whole game. So I go from not playing at all so you can imagine the mental mindset, the mindset there to now, you're playing the entire game.
And I think going out there and playing the entire game and getting the confidence that like, Okay, it's just football. I can do this and doing it well.
That's when it was like, Okay, man, you're the guy and the mindset kind of switched. It was like, I, it was like I got through that period of, uh, of of, you know, the little hardships. And trying to prove it to your teammates, trying to prove it to your yourself, trying to prove it to your coaches that you can do this. And now it feels like everybody's starting to believe that you can do it and it's just up to you to go do it.
And I think that's when it kind of all all changed and really became.
You know, became real. Yeah, what about meeting Ray Lewis for the first time? Was that intimidating?
Oh my God, I tapped him on the shoulder. I I think I was in the hot tub maybe the first time, and I just remember watching him walk by. I didn't say shit.
But the first, I think, one of the first times, like, I tapped him on the shoulder and shook his hand. And it was like the hardest surface that I'd ever touched in my life. And it was like, You know, you, you, you. You've grown up watching that guy run sideline to sideline and just, you know, just be super human. It was definitely a surreal moment to be in the same locker room with a guy like that, yeah.
Those.
Ravens teams were interesting because you were obviously the leader of the offense, but you're more of a reserve guy. You're more low key, you kind of, you never get too high, never get too low. And Ray is probably the most intense person to ever be created on planet Earth.
So, like, the two leaders in that locker room couldn't be further apart from each other when Ray would speak, I've noticed this about Ray. Sometimes when he talks, it doesn't matter. Sometimes the actual words that he says, it's like the spirit that he's convinced, you know what he's saying, regardless of the words. So you just like, sit there and nod.
You just get pumped up, just listen to him talk.
Dude, it's incredible, everything that he did was just incredible and it's so funny. Because, like, I think a lot of people see the the the leaders that were on that team and they know me and they're like, and they kind of there's. There's a little bit of a push for people to try to, like, get me to be like that. And it's like, dude, like the guys that are like Ray Lewis, they respect people for being themselves like.
I think, you know, so I'm going to be myself and um, but I. I tell people, man, I never liked like coming out of the tunnel, like doing all that stuff like, like, and not just coming out of the tunnel. Like, cause that that is cool. Come walk, running out of a tunnel in an NFL stadium, I don't do anything.
I literally put my head down and run, but when you hear people cheer, it's an awesome feeling. I eventually kind of became tired of it, like, can't we just let the defense come out every single week? But? But like growing up, like, I could care less to watch guys do different dances and different things like that, coming out of a tunnel.
And then you get to see Ray Lewis come out of the tunnel in person, and I swear to God, Uh, I might've been a week or two ago. We were in a QB meeting in Cleveland. And I was telling the young guys how bad I felt for them to never get to experience that in person.
It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen on a football field, and it was it had nothing to do with the game. It was just him coming out of the tunnel, picking up a piece of sod and doing his thing. I don't even know how much he probably. I wonder how much he really even wanted to do that at the end. But everybody else had so much that was riding on it. You would look over to the sideline of the team that we were playing. And every single person on that sideline. And probably all the coaches in the booth were looking towards that tunnel to see him come out.
It was incredible, and Terrell Suggs and Ed Reed also had awesome, you know, awesome entrances. But his was just it was, it was just another level.
Yeah, it was iconic, it was iconic. All right, I have a dumb question for you.
Um, you throw an incredible spiral, we love watching you throw the deep ball, we call it a fuckable spiral. So my question to you is, um, two part. Do you ever like, throw a ball? and you're like, Damn, I throw a good spiral?
Like, to this day, like, shock yourself like, Man, Joe, you can really throw this fucking pigskin. And then the other question is, did you do? You have a moment like, I don't know how old you were, but like the first time you threw one?
You're like, Wow, I'm, I can throw it, you know? It's funny, cause people have been asking me these questions recently. I think everybody at some point has a throw where they were like, Uh, you know, you come to the sideline and you say to the other quarterback, Oh man, you know, I don't know. I felt pretty good about that one.
You know, you, you try, you kind of like, you try to like, humbly bring it up in a way that they can see right through it. They know they know what you're doing, but you know, it's tough for you to not try to bring it up. Um, and then I was just doing it. I was just talking to somebody and they were asking me, you know? Like, when? Yeah, like, when did you throw? when did? when did you realize you could throw it? I remember, um, we were probably. I grew up 60 feet from my elementary school and we were in the schoolyard throwing a football, me and my dad.
And it was like an NFL sized football that he kind of thought was like, Oh man, this is a real N.FL ball. It wasn't a real ball of fake leather. It weighed probably 10 ounces less than a real football weighs and all that. But I remember throwing it and like, I said, I could be, I could. I think I told the other guy this too.
I could, I could be making this story up completely. I was eight years old, I think I was in first grade. But I threw a couple of passes to him and I just remember the look on his face, kind of like, Uh, all right, that was pretty good, bud, like, you know, like, you could tell that, like, obviously. He probably knew I could throw a little bit at that point, like at least a baseball, like he knew I could throw a baseball. But to pick up a, uh, you know, a decently sized football and be able to throw it.
And then I think I just remember seeing a little bit of a look on his face and his reaction and being like, Ah, maybe I can throw this pretty good, I don't know.
That's awesome. I mean, that was, yeah, your dad got to see the first Joe Flacco throw.
Like that guy, that kid can, he's going, He's probably a little upset, he's like.
He's better than I am. Yeah, I mean, that was a little bit like, for sure, I'm a father now.
I think there's a little bit of that.
Have you have your kids ever? have your kids done a flacco throw yet where you're like, Oh?
I see that, uh, my oldest son is getting better and better at throwing the ball. My second son is very natural at at throwing the ball. Uh, he's obsessed with wide receivers, they're, they're all obsessed with wide receivers.
They all want to play wide out, um, and I'll let them, but my second son, for sure, is going to have to play quarterback.
I think he's just too natural of a thrower. Oh man, another line of flaccos would be awesome.
It'd be good for the world. Yeah, I mean, we got the flag football and the Olympics coming up.
I don't know, man, these, these kids. My kids are growing up a little bit different than I grew up, so I don't know. If we want to see what they're all about, that could be trouble for everybody.
So, um, another hypothesis that we've had. I don't think we're the only ones to point this out. But you, at your peak, were very, very good at throwing, um, slightly under thrown balls to draw pass interferences. And we thought that sometimes you would do it intentionally, I don't know if you ever did intentionally, but it was actually a great. It was a strong suit of your offense, where even if you had a miss throw, there was still a pretty good chance that you guys were going to get like, 30 yards on a pi. Did it? Was that ever something that?
You actively thought about, you know what, I wish you could think about that, because that play works. Every single time. You're watching, you're sitting at home on the couch and you're watching these NFL games and you're like, man, they got to do something about that rule. That's such a shit, you know, situation for those defensive guys.
Um, no, uh, listen, when we had Torrey Smith Tour, it could get out there. He, you know, he could run. Um, you had to get used to throwing the ball out there to him. Uh. So, I think that's part of it, and part of it is just, you know, you have to put the ball in the money and every now and then you're a little off and if you put the ball up high. And those guys can do a good job with jumping up, especially when those guys jump and they jump and leave their feet, that's when the that's when they really get called.
Listen, I wish I was good enough to actually actively think about under throwing balls because I knew I couldn't make a good enough pass. And then next thing, you know, we get pit pis. I think I think I've played with some guys that run good, go balls. And the amount that you do it, you're going to have it, you're going to.
Have a bunch of those, yeah, I would assume. Your favorite throw was the touchdown to Jacoby Jones, like the 70 yard touchdown against the Broncos in your Super Bowl run. Was that run, though, like, could you feel like you were kind of in the zone?
Because that was that was the best Joe Flacco, like betting on himself, and now he's just balling out in the playoffs.
I think when you're in the middle of the run, you're just trying to take it week by week. Obviously, when you, when you, when you win a game like that, I think in the back of your, the back of your head. There is a little bit of like, man. Like. I've seen guys win games like that, like teams win games like that, and then they go in the Super Bowl. I think we all probably had that, you know? Listen, with that team, we had been through so much.
We had been to two AFC Championship games already, we lost in New England the year before that. Like, we were a confident team that had been through a lot. But I do think that gave us an extra boost. Winning that football game against Peyton Manning up in Denver. It gave us that little bit of like, you know, you're not necessarily aware of it, but it just gave us that confidence.
Cause I remember being, you know, we went up to New England after that and where we lost the week the year before and and we beat them. And I don't think anybody was thinking anything of it. We were like, Yeah, we're going up to New England and we're going to win. And obviously, it's easy to say that looking back. But even in New Orleans down the Super Bowl that year, I just there was just a sense of calm about everybody there.
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