Trump Vows to Root Out "Vermin"

Welcome to Posse of America, I'm Jon Favreau.

I'm Tim Scott's girlfriend's gay friend, Jon Leavitt.

I'm Tommy Vittor.

On today's show, Donald Trump says Americans who disagree with him are vermin and plans to put immigrant families in camps. And Joe Biden starts to fight back as he gets plenty of unsolicited advice from increasingly nervous Democrats. But first. South Carolina Senator Tim Scott became the second major candidate to drop out of the Republican primary after a Sunday night announcement on Fox that shocked even his own campaign staff. But when I go back to Iowa, it will not be as a presidential candidate, I am suspending my campaign.

I'm trying to process this information and I'm trying to do it on live television, so forgive me.

You know, Romans 8 28, such an important scripture, it says that all things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose. I think the message is clear for me right now. That was Tim Scott speaking on Trey Gowdy's show on Fox Trey Gowdy, former congressman. I didn't even know he had a show.

Oh, it's great, it's a great show. Are you like? Yeah, you watch it a lot? yeah, every Sunday night.

What are you guys doing? Apparently Tim Scott and Trey Gowdy are close, though. And he was pretty surprised, pretty surprised.

It's a small thing, but I find it like it's actually very obnoxious to surprise your campaign staff. Yes, I find that to be so fucking rude, like, oh so, these people that devoted their lives to you. Like, even if it was, I'm not saying like, the sooner the better, but like, even if it's right before. Like to show these people the respect of giving them the information.

Do a conference call quick jump on a quick conference call with the HQ.

Let them hear first, like, thank them for everything they did for you, like they're taking low pay to come help you. Tim Scott, run this fucking don quixote mission.

Not a good look, Tim Scott.

It is so unbelievably shitty to do to your staff, to do to your donors, to the people who volunteered for you. And like, what's the upside of surprising Trey Gowdy on Fox News about the news?

I mean, for content, it was good for us, it wasn't good for content.

Maybe he just decided, literally in the moment at the interview, he was just like, I mean.

I thought, like, watching the campaign or watching the last debate. It seemed like he was going to drop out the whole time, he just didn't want to be there.

So Tim Scott and his Super Pac spent millions and millions on ads and staff. He couldn't even break. 7 in the early states, including in South Carolina, his home state that he represents in the U..S Senate. A lot of big donors and pundits from across the political spectrum had high hopes for Tim Scott. Here's one of them.

I thought the speech was really good. There's a coherence to what he's doing that makes him a legitimate alternative in a way that no one else, not even DESantis, can really offer. He did better than I expected. I really was, like, impressed by it. Yes, obviously he's not doing, he's trying to say, hey, we don't need to do grievance politics.

What happened to Tim Scott?

Who's that famous pundit? Did I recognize that voice? It's like good politics, but with like, a comedy edge.

First of all, if you see the video, you can tell that. Tim Scott's campaign lasted exactly as long as my Manjaro journey, just like exact length of time. I think it was like day one. But so I was thinking about what happened to Tim Scott because I thought I might be confronted by my words.

And your irrational exuberance.

Well, yes, and I know there was a moment where you guys gave me shit at the time. And I did say, like, look, I'm not like, I'm not saying he's going to, it's going to work. I just like him better than I like the other ones.

But I will say it wasn't just us. I remember after that podcast, I got like a text from Tim Miller, who was on our show in New Orleans, and Tim was like, What's going on with? Love? It? Liking Tim Scott so much.

I and by the way, here's the crazy part. I still kind of like him. But so I was thinking about it was like, Well, what, what, what happened here? I think, first of all, like?

It wasn't just, though, that he didn't go like full throated repudiation of Trump. Like, I think, only Vivek Ramaswamy has been more deferential to Trump than Tim Scott of any of the Republican candidates. And none of them have been like, big hero. Christie's obviously gone after him pretty hard, he's a Hudgenson.

He was nothing to no one.

He was even corny in his like, honest moment of dropping out, like, Listen, man, you're quitting the race. You don't have to pretend you, like, loved the process or loved the voters. We know you didn't.

You didn't do well. Like, even when he was asked like, would you want to be vice president? he never says no, but he goes like, I'd rather be president. And it's not on my to-do list. It's like there was like a political caginess in every facet of what he was doing.

Yeah, I mean, I thought, look, he had high approval ratings with voters, even as he dropped out, I think he's people Republican voters thought. He was a nice guy, but he didn't have a message, he didn't have a message to win. Now I know Lovett's trying to backtrack here.

Let's hear it.

Let's listen.

The thing about Tim Scott is that he's not just compelling, he's inspiring. He has a voice, a vision, a plan for the future that is working with voters in Iowa, and, frankly, working. For me, the question isn't, will Tim win or not? Tim has already won.

I don't know what we're.

I didn't realize you guys were able to pull that.

Is that from Lovett or Leavitt?

That sucks.

That was a good oppo.

Oh man.

Oh man, nice work fucking Tim Scott. nice work. Your voice is sounding pretty.

It's getting too good.

That's getting pretty good.

It's funny, then it's going to be not so funny.

That's pretty good.

There was one other one that Saul flagged.

We stopped recording, right? Okay, cool, God, I am so sick of these fucking Beyonce and Taylor Swift fans. What boring, basic bitches.

Oh my God, I can't believe you said that.

That is.

Via my $5 a month AI software.

Too far, too far.

Yeah, no, I mean, I, and look, I obviously regret it. I didn't know we were still rolling, I thought that was another thing. And that's in Milo's retirement folder from back in the day.

To be clear, that was all fake news.

That was all fake news, fake clips, fake news. Tommy, do you think Tim Scott's exit has the potential to change the race at all? He says he's not endorsing, but his fellow South Carolinian Nikki Haley is reportedly planning a $10 million ad blitz. In Iowa and New Hampshire, all the way through the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary. That's apparently five times more than what DESantis is spending in the same time period.

Yeah, she's putting some money on the line now. I mean, the short answer is Tim Scott didn't have a lot of support to begin with. So it won't go very far if it gets redistributed. I think he was at about 4 in the most recent national polls. He had 7 in the last Des Moines register poll, and that was down from 9 in the August one. So I think if Scott's Iowa numbers get split evenly between DESantis and Haley, it probably doesn't change the race because those two are tied.

Yeah, I feel like with Haley it's not much, but it's not nothing. You could see her getting a lot of his donors to the extent that he had whatever donors he had, especially because they're both from South Carolina, so if he had some South Carolina-based donors, maybe they'd go to Haley. You know, you've got 7 to throw around in Iowa, New Hampshire, maybe South Carolina, exactly like you said, Tommy, if they split evenly, it doesn't really matter.

Yeah, I think if you left either Trump or DeSantis to go to Tim Scott, and now Tim Scott's gone, all the reasons to not be with Ron DeSantis remain. So maybe there's some way in which this redounds to Haley. Kind of helping her get to that true second position, which has so far been. Like, you know, is she isn't she?

I mean, the question is, does money matter at all? We don't. It hasn't so far. But we now live in an era of campaign finance where the laws are a joke. And basically, you run for president by finding yourself a special billionaire to seed your super PaC, and then you run with that person. Tim Scott's billionaire was Larry Ellison, who I think cut him $35 million worth of checks and then, you know, turned it off.

Did you see, right before we started recording, there was a New York Times piece that Larry Ellison didn't?

Well, that seems like a good decision.

From 2020 to 2022, Ellison donated $35 million to Scott Aligned groups. And then just didn't.

Tough afterwards, tough, tough, tough. I do think I hate to say this about a friend of the pod, Chris Christie. But because I do think he's been more courageous than the rest of that field in calling out Donald Trump.

Yeah, it would be a nice little bookend. When he was one of, if not the first major establishment figure to line up behind Trump and say the nomination was over for him to get out of the race and get behind Haley.

All right, so back on earth. The probable Republican nominee and possible next president celebrated Veterans Day by pledging to quote root out Americans who disagree with him, who he referred to as quote dangerous vermin. Trump's entire speech in New Hampshire was fairly deranged, even for him. Here are the highlights.

Like tens of millions of people within our nation, I'm proud and strong that election. I'm a very proud election denier. We had no terror during my administration. The only terror we had was Nancy Pelosi, who's a crazed lunatic. She is a crazed lunatic.

Thank you, New Hampshire.

God bless.

I can't believe Tim Scott's sunny optimism didn't work on this party. The Washington Post headline about the speech said Trump's use of the word vermin was quote echoing dictator's Hitler. MusSolini. A lot of folks on Twitter are wondering why I didn't get as much coverage and headlines like the Washington Post as Hillary Clinton's deplorable gaffe. Tommy, what was your take on the speech?

So that line? We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. Was delivered one hour and 44 minutes into the speech. It was an hour 45, so he riffed for an hour and 44 minutes, and then that was his, I guess. Stephen Miller prepared close.

I think it was definitely prepared because it was also he truthed it the truth, that exact riff after the speech, so it was clearly a set. And you could tell. When he's reading off the prompter, you know, and he's not doing his freewheeling performance, he's definitely reading it.

The rest of it, it was a mix, it was a lot of like, greatest hits. It was a lot of, you know, in Afghanistan, they left the equipment behind and the general told me not to. There was the death penalty for drug dealers. He talked about again how hot the pilots on Air Force One are hotter than Tom Cruise. And Taller was my takeaway.

Yeah, that's good. yeah, that's good for a guy, that's that. Listen, I've done my what's it called defamation training?

Oh, to you, to you. I do think that ending was written in the hopes that, you know, it would get picked up. And that progressives like us would freak out. And say that, you know, could be the owning the lips part of the speech.

At a time when they knew that what we'll talk about next, this big immigration story was also coming out. Because they knew that, you know, that they'd sent them to Stephen Miller to talk about it. When a spokesperson for Trump was asked about the comparison to Vermin and Mussolini and Hitler, and that spokesperson said, You're all just a bunch of snowflakes. And your existence will be crushed. In a Trump second term, which is sort of like, um, the first, the first.

He said, Your entire existence, and then he clarified, and then they clarified to a sad.

Miserable existence. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How dare you wonder if calling your opponents vermin evokes the darkest chapters in our political history? You will be destroyed upon our victory on a pyre of vengeance. The woke Communists compare us to Nazis. Again. You're going in the camps with the foreigners in the fags.

I mean, referring to Americans who disagree with you as Vermins, like Americans that you want to represent as president, is dehumanizing language. It is the language of dictators. Hitler used the word to describe Jews and the left not once or twice. often Hitler used that word. Now. The most charitable explanation is that it was designed to provoke and troll liberals and get attention.

Yeah, I mean, just sort of like, root out, there's no, it's not a there's not a policy critique, he's going to root them out.

We all lived through January 6th, right? A bunch of his supporters violently assaulted the Capitol, violently assaulted police officers, and now he's talking about Vermin.

Yeah, I mean, look, I think that he does this, hoping to get the story he got in the Washington Post, where a bunch of historians compare it to the language used by Hitler and Mussolini. And most people read that, and they don't really have a basis to draw from to know if that's right or wrong. But they do probably think it sounds a touch alarmist and a touch extreme. So then the spokesperson gets to call a snowflakes. It's dangerous rhetoric, I think. There's like, much more on the speech that is worthy of focusing on.

That also was a gaffe, right? That was like, she, like, stumbled into that. It was that statement, this was like, you said. This was designed to do something, either provoke or send a warning.

It's also, I mean, there's also just there really is an asymmetry in what is allowed in our politics. Republican politicians are allowed to mock and deride and describe as terrible whole parts of the country. Americans that they don't like as not being real, as their cities being overrun and being terrible, urban areas are terrible. But the reverse is not true. A Democrat cannot say, cannot insult rural America, cannot insult all the many problems that exist in rural America.

But it's also the type of language Democrats use versus what Trump's doing right, which is like Democrats who are insulting rural America, insulting Trump supporters. Or like their rubes, or their deplorable, like vermin that need to be rooted out. It is dehumanizing language, whether he intends to use it as a troll or not. And like, you know, we've had people send fucking pipe bombs to people we've had, like, I mean, there's just. It's a dangerous thing to do at this point.

On that point, okay, so we heard that bit he did where there were no terrorist attacks during my administration, except for Nancy Pelosi. Ha ha ha applause.

Of course, there were terrorist attacks, yeah.

I didn't remember when the the ISIS linked guy mowed down like eight people in New York City with his car. That was a terrorist attack. There was a there was a Saudi service member who shot up a base in Florida and killed a bunch of U.S. airmen. Like, what?

The shooting in El Paso, there's right.

Where he doesn't include, he doesn't include, he doesn't include white nationalism, right?

So, even though, that language was directly linked to Trump's rhetoric.

Again, so, like the the days of fact checking, Trump until he loses are long over. But I do think highlighting things like that, it's like, I'm sorry, do you not remember this? The worst terror attack since 9 11 happened on your watch in New York City, your home city?

Yeah, I will say to like to your point, Tommy, about deplorables for the thing, because Republicans made it a thing like, So. White House put out a statement from a deputy press secretary, Andrew Bates, attacking Trump for this language for the speech. I kind of think Joe Biden should call it out next time he has a chance.

And I do think the like, if Joe Biden were to say, You know, I saw, I saw Donald Trump out there. The other day, he said, he's a proud election denier, and he said, Pete Americans, he don't like their vermin, he called them vermin.

And it has the benefit of both being a great like attack on Trump and just a contrast. Because it's such a strength of Joe Biden's, because that's always who he's been.

Back when, uh, back when the truth meant something people used to talk about. A something called a Kinsley gaffe, which is a gaffe when you accidentally tell the truth. Right? Hillary, Hillary. Calling the the MAGA voters deplorable to the Kinsley Gaffe, Trump's saying he's an election denier is a Kinsley Gaffe. If we, if we see that clip over and over again, that will get through to people.

You could use that in a clip.

Absolutely.

Well, he's also got crazy plans to go along with his crazy speeches, uh. The New York Times ran a long story that included an interview with Stephen Miller about the extreme immigration crackdown Trump will carry out if he wins. The piece says he's, quote, preparing to round up undocumented people already in the United States on a vast scale and detain them in sprawling camps. While they wait to be expelled, Trump will carry out what he's calling the largest deportation in American history without Congress, without due process hearings. And with the help of local police and National Guard troops from Republican run states that are deputized to work along with ICE officials to do these raids.

I mean, it is. It's notable that they are taking some of the things that they were, uh, criticized for the most in amping them all up. Uh, the Muslim ban. Like you mentioned, their break. They want to eliminate political asylum, reinstating Title 42, which is what Trump and then Biden, uh, used to keep, uh, asylum seekers out of the country. During Covid. They want to use that for diseases like the flu or tuberculosis, basically, just broad base getting rid of asylum. They want to kick all the refugees from Afghanistan out who came here after the Taliban takeover, and even revet the ones who helped U.S. forces. So like this is incredibly extreme.

Yeah, I think, to your point, about the polling, and and obviously Trump is trying to conflate a whole bunch of things here. A lot of people worried about the border, worried about the influx of migrants coming to the United States. They want more border security, they want an immigration system that is orderly and fair. But this is not that right. What, what Trump is laying out here?

It's worth remembering the three biggest drops that Trump ever had in his approval rating were January 6th. Healthcare and the effort to repeal Obamacare. And the chaos around issues like the Muslim ban. And the incredible fear of what Donald Trump would unleash in the early days of his presidency. This is not also just about undocumented immigrants, this is about the American citizen, children of people that might be undocumented. This also one thing they talked about in that article is about attempting to deny citizenship to the American born children of undocumented people.

Yeah, well, that's, I mean, to your point, about, um, the plan to put all the all the Trump loyalists in, there's that. Axios did a pretty well reported story today about these, uh, ideological screenings that they're doing right now for, uh, federal employees. And they, they're sort of breaking them into tranches, right? Like, there's the ones that they could, like, they get. They want to get rid of the civil service protections and insult everyone.

I mean, there's this whole, like, I think, heritage foundation plan to cobble together the most right-wing possible government. Uh, they can find. They're also going to try to fire all the civil servants and replace them with political hires. I mean, this whole thing is just a piece of a broader accelerationist puzzle, where, uh, they're not going to be building the plane on the fly. This time, they're going to have some scary shit ready to go. On the first day he's in office.

Yeah, it's like, it's like Chris Christie was ostensibly supposed to run the transition last time. That is not going to be in charge.

No, Jared and Ivanka, either.

Or, like Pat Cipollone, right, the White House counsel, who was like, a real lawyer who would say, No, we can't do that. That's illegal, that's unconstitutional.

Those people are like. A lawyer that is going to sign off on denying Social Security numbers to the American born children of undocumented immigrants is a lawyer that will sign off on fucking anything?

And then say, fight it out in the courts. We packed last time.

Right, and also, yeah, exactly, and you know is is, uh, this Supreme Court is John Roberts and you know, going to round up a majority to stop some of this shit? Yeah, some of it may be probably not all of it.

Well, yeah, the majority that that existed where John Roberts could join Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the other liberals is gone because Ruth Bader Ginsburg famously died.

I think that's true.

One big thing we can do to avoid this uh, elect a Democratic president, uh, Joe Biden, current Democratic president. In the New Orleans Show. We just had we talked about how, uh, Biden showed a little more fight in last week's speech to UAW workers. NBC is reporting that Biden personally made the decision to hit Trump harder in that speech. And then he's planning to quote, shift more into campaign mode. With plans to increasingly attack Trump after some of his allies have urged him to do so in recent days. He's apparently getting lots of advice these days.

It's no bad ideas in a brainstorm. Yeah, it's, uh, I mean, look, so current strategy not working? Time to get more aggressive? Yes, I support that. I think. I think Jonathan Martin's story was revealing in that it reflects a high level of anxiety among the kind of operative and consultant class. But also the fact that good ideas are hard to come by for how to fix it. If you're Joe Biden, right?

Yeah, there was a third category to add to your two of of the kind of advice in the piece, which was Please run a campaign in 2024, right? Like, a lot of it was like, you should, like, make it a choice, not a referendum. Like, Yeah, that's like a really good idea.

Every time we say this, I try to, like, unpack it because do something. Oh well, okay, we. He, he's not going, he can't get any younger, that's that's off the table.

Get one of those machines from Star Trek Insurrection, if you know, you know.

Well, and they'll say, Look, he went to Ukraine, he went to Israel, like he's out there, he's in war zones, like he's doing real things.

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, I don't know.

It's like, I also just like, Um, if Hillary and Bill want to go to Gaza, I guess.

Tell me, what do you think about the Clintons as a Middle East peace envoys?

I don't know if that would work as well. I do thinking about a way to make the wars in Ukraine and, uh, Gaza not. Your constant day-to-day focus is a good idea. If you can name some envoy or something to kind of, like, get that off your day-to-day messaging plate and focus on economics or other things, that might be good.

I'll tell you, I can't. Easier said than done, I cannot think of a better way to bring back disaffected young progressives than bringing back Rahm Emanuel as your campaign chair.

Well, you know what I took, it's such a strange, but here's what I took from that.

Who gave that advice?

Here's what I heard from that, though. Here's what I heard. What I took from that was someone who's like, just sitting in their house, fucking nervous. Be like, we need somebody who's going to really make things, so who's someone who curses? Who's someone who's going to really make things good?

I just at one point it was like, bring, bring back Ron Klain for some big role. Yeah, sure, great love that. Yeah, they should.

And that's probably going to happen.

Yeah, exactly, I also think there was a point about, you know, it is. It is fun and often warranted to complain about media coverage, complain about people underestimating Joe Biden, complain about the polls. I don't know that it's always the best use of energy and focus, and I don't know that it always moves the needle that much. I think like really focusing on the choice and getting people to think about the choice all the time and attacking Donald Trump all the time.

Well, I think, I think that's, I think that's of course right. I do think that there's like a confusion in the piece between projecting confidence and having confidence. Like, Joe Biden should not be out there being like, I'm really worried about these polls and the age is going to be a huge problem. Like, no, he should be out there saying, I'm like. Every president believes his accomplishments are being undercover and underappreciated, and for Joe Biden, that is a real and serious problem for him as a candidate.

But for our country, I don't know if the polls are real enough, but I'll tell you, I'm going to change the minds if I need to. And I'm going to show people what the choice is in this race, and I'm going to run the race and tell them the stakes. And what's going to happen if Donald Trump becomes president, and what's going to happen if I'm president?

Absolutely.

I think that the job of president is incredibly hard. Every president ever in history feels like they're treated unfairly by the media. I think you do, though, have to project a little more confidence. Like there was a clip where Peter Doocy, from Fox News, was asking Biden about the bad New York Times. Kind of got in his face and wagged his finger and was like, We'll send you eight other polls.

Well, the other thing, too, is it's like, that's a moment where whatever you're going to say is going to be newsy and covered. And it's like, that was now a little referendum that you don't agree with that polling as opposed to what you were saying. But, like, it is absolutely true that it is Joe Biden and the Biden campaign's job to address the fact that vast numbers of Americans have absolutely no idea what he accomplished. But, like, it frustrates me sometimes when the coverage puts that entirely at the feet of Democrats, like, yes, practically. In reality, we can't just complain about it.

Yeah, well, but also you're not going to solve that your campaign. What you can control is the ads that you run, what your candidate says, what all the surrogates say, and hopefully what most of the party says. And I think to that extent, you know, the advice that keeps coming up is on. They got to figure out the economic message, and I do think the here's all we did, here's all we did.

Has promised another corporate tax cut already.

Yeah, right, and so you just got to, you really got to make the economics about a choice.

It's hard because Trump, his primary message is the economy was better when I was president and now it's bad. Gas was cheaper when I was president and now it's bad. There were fewer wars when I was president and now look at Ukraine and Israel. So again, like to the point about immigration, the media has covered the hell out of this immigration. Like the Trump people rolled it out to the New York Times. Then he talked about it at his rally.

Oh yeah, which is always the challenge.

Trump just gets a lot of bombs.

Which is always the challenge, and that's. But like, you know, we dealt with that when Obama ran in 2012, and we dealt with different challenges. But we, you know, ours was like persistent unemployment from the Great Recession. And yeah, we have the jobs chart of all the jobs that Obama created. But he didn't stop at just being like, No, no, no, look at it, I created all these jobs, it's working.

And there were so many stories like this, this kind of story, that the thing that. The reason I bring up the fact that it's not just a Democratic problem is like, there is this. You know, Republicans think that this, like the mainstream media, is biased. And I and I, you know. I think it does treat Democrats as the protagonist and Republicans as the antagonist, and that often redounds to a Democratic advantage in the way stuff is covered. But in moments like this, that hand wringing, that hand wringing, like it is. From the point of view of worried Democrats, it is, it is like baked into the piece, that it is that it is a bunch of worried people trying to figure out what Joe Biden has to do to fix this problem.

I don't know. I think every side thinks the other side. Like Republicans all say, Oh, Democrats never do wind fighting. They don't attack each other, and our side does, and we say the same thing about that.

And and I also like the whole standard, you know? Messina, Jim Messina, our Obama's campaign manager, in 2012 wrote a piece that was like, right next to Jay Mark's piece, Uh, that was like, you know, no need to panic over Biden and don't sweat the doom and gloom. Polling and early polls are unreliable. And and then he had some good advice about, like economic messaging and stuff like that. But I, I, everyone, no one should panic, of course. But like people are worried because fucking democracy hangs in the balance. Well, there was like, people are going to get worried, you know? And they're going to want to make sure that Joe Biden can pull this off.

And then Biden messages The soul of the nation is at stake, the future of democracy is at stake, so we're allowed to worry.

There's one part of the story, where, where he says the country knows exactly who Donald Trump is. Many aren't bothered by it, and no amount of scolding will make them say, Oh wow, I guess he is a bad guy. And I was like, Well, hold on a second. We do like this idea that, like, again, like Donald Trump's badness is like, so thoroughly baked in that it's not worth talking about.

And I really. And it has to be perspective, because at the end of the day, voters care about, like anyone cares about. Like, what's going to impact my life, what's my life going to be like? If Donald Trump is president? I don't want to hear about the past, I don't want to hear about his character in the past, like, what is he going to do?

And if you're waiting for, like someone to come along with, like a silver bullet to make you less anxious. About the two biggest issues facing Joe Biden, like, you know, like the result, the effects of inflation and his age, it's not going to happen. There's no magic answer to these very difficult liabilities. They are his biggest liabilities. We will be dealing with them and fighting to address them. I don't know what else.

I mean, go get a benzo.

Go get a benzo.

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