#2132 - Andrew Schulz

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I think of that CIA guy on with the hair.

Yeah. What do you think of that guy?

So, after the pod...

I guess we're up. Let's go.

You want to go? We're rolling. Let's do it.

Okay. So, he came on, and he was very, like...

First of all, he's very charming.

But, like, when you're talking to anybody who's worked for the CIA,

you're looking at him through the same lens as you look at, like, a therapist.

Right.

Where it's like, wait, are you analyzing?

Right. What's going on here?

Very charming. Very smart.

Very, like, seems to really know what's going on in the world.

But, like, straight up told us.

He's like, yeah, the CIA, you know.

I guess one of the advantages I have is, like, I'm pretty close to a sociopath.

Like, I'm not there.

But, like, I don't feel the same emotions that everybody feels.

There's, like, a lack of guilt.

But I know when I should feel it in these moments.

Whoa.

But that's a huge advantage.

Imagine if you're trying to, like, find assets and flip assets.

If you and I, like, build a relationship with somebody,

and we, like, feel empathy for them...

Right.

Maybe we wouldn't be able to say, hey,

now it's time for you to cough up the information or else.

Right.

But somebody else in that position might.

So, I would imagine if you were the fucking CIA, you're like,

okay, we're looking for people who have gone through these things in their life

that have curated this kind of, like, personality type.

Well, isn't it just, like, part of the gig?

Like, here's a for instance.

Like, your bit about Puffy.

How are you going to connect these two fucking dots?

That bit is like, look, you don't have any real personal beef with Diddy.

But it's got to go down.

The bits are there.

I'm a gold miner.

I just found some gold.

You're right.

Maybe I'm a sociopath.

It's not that you're a sociopath.

It's just that that's part of the gig.

Yes.

Like, you're not a sociopath with your friends.

No, I think I'm maybe an empath.

Yes.

But I guess it's one of those things where, like, you justify.

You go, okay, I think this person might have done something bad.

Yes.

And he can get jokes, and we're all going to tell jokes.

Yeah.

I'm not pressing fucking charges.

Well, not only that.

You're not the guy who's out there, like, calling the New York Times.

Hey, you know what I heard about Diddy?

By the way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

You're just like, it's there.

Yes, yes, yes.

It's everywhere.

My fucking news feed is dominated by it.

Fox News, CNN, everyone.

There's raids at Diddy's house.

Who was the guy that was running around with a sports bra on?

Did you see that one, dude?

No, this is in L.A.?

Oh, my God.

I got to send you this.

Wait, while the raids are happening?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got caught up in the raid, and he was yelling,

I'm a celebrity!

I'm a celebrity!

It was, like, one of the most hilarious clips.

Hold on, I'm going to find you this.

It's so funny.

Mm-hmm.

Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

Nope.

But you bring up a good point, which is, like,

are there ever situations where you feel you won't...

Wait till you see this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wearing what appears to be a black sports bra.

Let me see.

He's wearing a sports bra.

Hold on, we're going to play it.

Oh, okay.

Put your headphones on.

Yeah, put your headphones on so you can hear it.

Saucy Santana.

Oh!

Saucy!

Look at this.

Wearing what appears to be a black sports bra, red tights,

and the performer's signature trim beard and long eyelashes.

Yeah, this is...

Joe, this is Saucy Santana.

Yeah, look at him, look at him, look at him.

Oh, wow.

Saliva on the beard is crazy.

Saliva on the beard.

He definitely came from a Diddy party.

Yeah.

Well, he was at Diddy's house.

I bet he was.

So I guess Diddy just kept people at his houses,

because he's got multiple houses, and he's just had freak-out parties.

Look at him.

Look at Saucy Santana.

Go, Saucy!

Yeah, yeah, no, Saucy's crazy.

Have you seen Saucy twerk?

I didn't even know Saucy existed until I saw that video.

Oh, Saucy can throw it down.

This is Booty by Saucy Santana.

Saucy's hit.

Oh, Jesus.

Give me some of this.

You're finding out about Saucy today.

Tell me right now.

And so this is one of Diddy's artists.

I don't even know if it's Diddy's artist, but Saucy's like a popular figure in music.

They just stayed at his house.

Nah, Diddy's in a tricky situation.

Boy, that's the understatement of the year.

Yeah, Diddy's in a tricky situation.

I think it's over.

You think it's over?

I think it's over for him as like a figure in entertainment.

Right.

But you think it's over for him as far as he gets a cell right next to R. Kelly?

I don't think so.

I don't think he gets locked up.

I think he skates.

I think he skates.

Really?

Or he goes to Bali.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That's a move, huh?

I mean, Russell's out there.

Yeah.

You know.

Has he been formally charged or does he just know that the shit is out there?

I think there's just so much shit out there.

I think those rappers did some wild shit.

Yeah.

Especially in the 90s.

Especially in the 90s.

The music business.

It's a lot of people.

It's not just the music business.

It's the extortion business.

Yeah.

I mean, the rap game was crazy.

That's a thing a lot of people don't realize is like back in the day, especially early

rap game, you weren't just going to play at, you know, what's the random theater that

you would play in L.A.?

What's like a big theater?

I'm trying to think.

The Orpheum or something like that.

The Wiltern.

The Wiltern.

Some guys were explaining to me, it was like you would play at the local hood club.

There was like a hood club that you could perform at.

And then that was owned by the local drug dealer that was washing money there.

Right.

So this is where the idea of like checking in comes from.

Have you heard of this term?

Yes.

Like checking in was basically like, hey, I want to make sure we're good because you're

going to pay me.

And if I don't check in, you might rob me because you're putting me up at the hotel

and you know everything that's going on and you're a drug dealer.

So you don't play by the rules.

Right.

When you come to Houston, you're checking in with certain people.

Mr. Prince.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Prince.

Yeah.

You don't got to check in, Joe.

You got to check in, say hi.

Joe don't got to check in.

No, I'm not in that business.

I say hi.

You've had him on here, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's a legend in the game.

He's a legend.

Out of respect, I say hi.

There you go.

Yeah.

There you go.

So what is like, yeah, yeah.

How does a guy like him, like I'm trying to think, like, how do you, how do you navigate

that to the point where people have this like respect and fear because of what they assume

you've done in the street world.

Right.

But you're also operating legitimately.

Yeah.

And nobody can get you.

They try.

They try.

Well, they tried with him many times.

And do you think they just give up?

I don't think they have anything.

If they had something, they would have brought it.

You know, if they have something on a guy like that, they try to get him.

That's the thing.

But he's clever.

Oh.

He's, he's a, he's playing many levels.

He's like one of those dudes, you ever see a chess tournament where a guy walks in and

there's 10 different players and he just walks and goes to each move and goes to the next

board and makes a move, goes to the next board, makes a move and he beats everybody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So where does a guy like that learn that?

That's what I'm trying to understand.

Streets.

Streets.

Yeah.

He learns that, you know, I mean, it's all about keeping people close.

Yeah.

Respect.

Yeah.

Giving respect, getting respect.

Yeah.

Making sure that, you know, you cover all your statements.

Yeah.

Like if you say something, you have to make sure you do it.

You cover it.

Yeah.

100% of the time.

Mm-hmm.

And there's probably times in his life where he's went like, if it's poker, he probably

went all in a few times, not in terms of money, but like this decision makes or breaks me.

Yeah.

I wonder how many make or break moments he's had.

Well, it depends on what's actually true and what's not true in terms of accusations.

Ah.

You know?

Because if some of the accusations are true, that kind of covers things.

You know, when folks vanish.

When someone does abracadabra.

See you later.

Folks vanish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's effective.

That fear is effective, man.

Oh, 100%.

Yeah.

And it should be.

Because listen, all this shit that's going on right now in the world, in America, we

get so soft and we think none of that shit's going to happen here.

All that murder, war, drones, assassinations, that's not going to happen here.

Mm-hmm.

Unless you know the Clintons.

Yes.

Unless you know some shit.

Yeah.

Unless you know some shit about old Bill, and then you wind up shooting yourself in

the chest while hanging from an extension cord.

Wait, did that happen?

Oh, yeah.

You don't know that guy?

Shot himself in the chest.

Joe, that seems really hard to do.

With a shotgun.

Yeah, how do you do such a thing?

While you're hanging.

This is a guy that brought Epstein to the White House at least seven times.

What's his name?

We'll find out.

So they found him at a ranch 30 minutes from his house, hanging by an electrical cord from

a tree with a shotgun wound to the chest.

Shotgun discovered near the body of former Clinton aide Mark Middleton, and then they

called it a suicide.

Wow.

12-gauge shotgun was 30 feet from the body of Mark Middleton was he found dead.

Okay, so who orchestrates this?

Is this the same thing where does Clinton go, hey, this guy needs to go, or do the powers

that be around a powerful person go, we already know what needs to happen?

Well, I think they know if a dude is in contact with someone or has been talking or is about

to talk.

Meaning cooperating with the feds or something.

I don't think any of those guys have clean phones.

I don't think any of those guys don't have their houses bugged.

I don't think any of those guys aren't tracked.

Look how excited that guy is in the back.

Yeah.

If you're a guy that brought Jeffrey Epstein to the fucking White House to see Bill Clinton

seven times and all this Epstein shit is going down and Ghislaine's in jail and you have

information, there's people on both sides, right?

There's the people on the right that are trying to nail the people that are on the left with

this.

There's people that are journalists that are trying to nail the people that were involved

in this.

This is it.

And they've managed to keep that fucking list from coming out, which shows you how powerful

certain people are.

That should show you a lot.

That should be terrifying.

The fact that Ghislaine Maxwell's in prison, she's in prison for sex trafficking, yet no

one's been accused of buying any of that pussy.

No one's been accused of having sex with these underage girls that she is in jail for supplying.

Yeah, that is crazy.

That's crazy.

If you own a store and there's no items left yet, nobody's purchasing anything, something's

going on.

Problem's going on.

Yeah.

So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is like-

People can go away.

I mean, that's what people were saying.

And maybe everybody's a conspiracy theorist now, but that's what people were saying about

the Diddy situation.

Like when the feds rolled up with the fucking Hummers and shit, they were like, it wasn't

about Diddy, it was about if there were tapes of powerful people there.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm sure.

They were the ones that called.

They're like, I need to protect myself, so go in there with all the things and rip any

tapes or any evidence.

Prince Harry was hanging with Diddy.

I mean, everybody hung with Diddy.

That's the other tricky thing.

Diddy hung out with everybody.

And I've spoken to a bunch of people who are like, yo, great dude, always there for you,

never asked for a single thing.

Till one in the morning.

And then the freak off begins.

Everybody says, get out of the house.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like the gremlins start eating after midnight.

Everybody who tells the story is like, I saw go upstairs and these dudes are fucking

like right on the couch.

And then I go in this room and these guys are fucking.

And it's like.

And pros, like apparently he was getting male gigolos to fuck girls.

To fuck girls?

Yeah, that was one of the rumors.

Male gigolos?

So he would hire the professional dicks to have sex with the girls.

And I think he would watch, allegedly.

That's what was alleged, I think.

Yeah, there's a lot of crazy stuff going on.

And that's the other thing.

I wonder, is that just a power thing?

It's a Caligula thing.

What does that mean?

Caligula, like the emperor.

Did you ever see that movie, Caligula?

No.

It's about just Roman empires being completely out of control.

Caligula is almost like porn.

And it was a movie made, I want to say in the 70s.

It's a crazy movie.

But it's just detailing extreme excess where you can never fill the hole.

But what is the hole you need to fill?

Like I'm trying to find, what's the catalyst?

Just chaos.

What year was this?

79.

79, yeah.

That's Malcolm McDowell, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, the dude from Clockwork Orange.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's a crazy movie, man.

It's still mild in comparison to what Absolute have.

Absolute power corrupts Caligula.

Okay, so then there's the question.

It's like, can you take a completely normal person, give them power, and then they become that?

Or does it take a power-hungry person that has this void that needs to be filled,

and then when they are given that power, you see the worst version of them?

Ask your CIA boy.

I bet he's got the answers.

I bet he knows the exact formula.

To corrupting somebody or to...

What happens?

What happens to these people?

Have you ever met somebody in our business that, like, before they were popping,

they were kind of a dick, and then once they became very successful,

they were the biggest dick?

And you're like, you were always going to be this way.

You just didn't have the power to project it on people.

I don't know too many people in our business that are really successful,

like your level or my level, that are dicks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, let me think about that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, there are people maybe that feel they should be at a higher level and are not.

They feel that they can kind of boss people around

or throw their weight around to their assistant or their agents.

Maybe they yell when they shouldn't yell or don't have to yell

or are demeaning to certain people.

That bothers me, though.

Oh, I hate it.

I don't like it at all.

Especially when you're demeaning to the people that can't really do anything.

They could quit, of course, but, like, this is their opportunity.

Right.

And then they feel terrible.

And for no reason.

The same exact situation could be handled with a hug.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You could tell them you appreciate them.

You hold their hand.

You shake their hand.

You give them a hug.

Yeah.

And then everybody feels good.

Yeah.

Yeah, that should be what the goal is.

Like, you're the guy who is in this very unique, unusual situation,

and you have the ability to make everybody feel better.

Yeah.

Until you don't.

Until there's some people that you just got to get rid of.

There's some people that just feel entitled, and they don't feel it.

There's certain things that do happen around certain successful people.

You'll see they have a few people that have resentment that are around them

that realize, like, oh, I'm a support person,

and I only have so much room that I can climb.

Right.

I can never be Andrew Schultz.

I'm always going to be this guy who works with Andrew Schultz.

Like, I've had a few buddies that have opening acts that wind up getting very entitled,

and they have real problems with them.

The opening acts get resentful, and there becomes issues.

And then what do they do?

Even good guys.

They clip them.

They get rid of them.

You have to.

Yeah, you've got to get rid of them.

Because you can't be around someone who resents your success.

I just had a friend who just led me through all the shit that his opening act was doing.

But I've known several guys that have had that.

Once things start popping, those guys feel like, hey, you know, I'm a big deal.

Yeah.

You know, like, you're not even, you're just like,

you could be replaced with another guy who does 15 minutes.

Like, this is crazy.

You have an amazing opportunity.

You get a chance to perform in front of these thousands of people that you would never be able to perform in front of.

And you light it up.

You can move up the ladder.

And then one day that could be you.

And they could be coming to see you.

And we've all seen that.

And you never want to have to manage somebody like that.

You want to have people around you that are excited by the opportunity.

And everybody's like part of the team.

And we're doing this fucking unbelievable thing.

And, yeah, I guess I feel lucky I have those guys.

Yeah, you've cultured a good group of humans.

And then they have gratitude.

And we all have gratitude.

Everybody has gratitude.

Yeah, yeah.

That's the key.

But some people, they just, they're nuts.

Some people are just crazy, which is why they're in show business in the first place.

Yeah.

And they have a distorted perception of reality.

And they're not good at being objective.

They're not good at seeing the big picture.

You know, those fucking people are going to be a real problem if they're in your circle.

And if they're smart.

The problem is, like, when you take one of those people who's intelligent, they can, like, rationalize and justify all the behaviors.

That's the turkeys thing.

Like, how do you – have you been in that situation where, like, you're trying to talk them out of a behavior that they have?

And you're just like, this might not be the most rational way to operate.

It's not really – it's like at a certain point in time you have to – yeah, I guess you've got to kind of let them do their thing.

Yeah, I don't know what you can do to cure them of it.

Yeah.

I don't know if you can, like, tell them, hey, this is what you're doing.

Like, fuck, what am I doing?

I'm sorry.

I'm going to get my shit together.

Do we have confirmation?