Calley Means

And a lot of people, a lot of us, wouldn't mind losing 20 pounds by taking a pill, so why shouldn't we? Well, we thought it'd be interesting to hear the other side, the side that you are not hearing on the question of Ozempic from someone who knows a lot about it. Callie Means is the founder of Trumed. He once worked for Pharma.

He definitely does not now and he joins us today in studio. Callie, thanks so much for coming on.

Why wouldn't you take Ozempic? Why shouldn't I take Ozempic?

And the core mistake of Ozempic is that obesity is not an Ozempic deficiency. Obesity is not the root cause of the problem. Obesity is one branch of the tree of underlying metabolic dysfunction that's ravaging our country. As we talked about, with over 50 of Americans having pre-diabetes now 33 of young adults....

And you have a diabetes doctor, you know, just a generation ago wouldn't see one child in their entire careers with diabetes. Now. Diabetes, which again is cellular dysfunction, is cellular disruption, totally caused by environmental factors. In what we're eating, that's close to becoming upwards of 50 of kids, it's 33 and growing radically. Teens 25 have fatty liver disease, which is something you only used to see in elderly alcoholics.

So there's a metabolic health crisis that's caused by decisions. The USDA, which has completely corrupt the guidelines that set nutrition standards 95 of the guideline committee, is paid for by food companies. They say that a two-year-old that 10 of their diet can be added sugar. We have more money from agriculture subsidies in America today, go to cigarettes, go to tobacco than vegetables.

90 of subsidies go to highly processed food. We've propped this industry up food stamps, which 15 of Americans depend on for nutrition. 10 of all food stamps funding goes to soda. We're the only country in the world that allows that, so we have....

Goes to soda, goes to soda.

We do 10 of these things, right? we do 10 easily identifiable things that are causing us, frankly, to be poisoned. And instead of talking about the root cause, we're saying that a weekly injection that you have to take for your entire life, that costs $20,000 per patient. When 80 of American adults are overweight or obese, we're saying that is the answer for obesity. We have a dirty tank, and Pharma has basically changed our consensus reality.

To say, you know, when all of these things are happening all at once due to environmental factors. Our savior, what we? You do the math on $20,000 per patient, 80 of American adults. We're talking, and this is clear on Wall Street, food stocks are going down, pharma stocks are going up because this is they're doing cartwheels on Wall Street. This is on track because of government funding, because we are standing to put trillions of government funding into this drug to be the most successful drug in American history.

Wow, there's a lot there, but let me just get back to the individual decision to take or not to take this drug. So you're overweight, you have prediabetes, and your doctor says, you know what you would say? Which is, that's a very serious thing to have. Just because it's common doesn't mean it's not bad.

It is bad and this drug can cure it. Why wouldn't you do that?

Medically, it's a disaster. So all you need to know is that. Novo Nordics, the company that makes this drug, recently passed LVMH to become the most valuable company in Europe. So this company, the most valuable company in Europe. They don't allow this drug for obesity in Europe, almost all of Novo Nordics revenue is coming from taking advantage of Americans. This is not the first line of defense for obesity in any European country.

It's not approved by the government regulators. They are saying on their stock calls that they're all of their growth is coming from the U.S. They're taking advantage of a broken U...S. system in the United States.

And when you dive into it, even people in the United States who are getting government funding, insurance, funding for this drug don't have to pay for it. 30 percent of them go off the drug within three months, so even though they're fully being paid for it, we're being told this is a lifetime drug. There's lawsuits coming just reported in the past couple of days on gastrointestinal issues and stomach paralysis. The drug itself essentially is stomach paralysis.

What is stomach paralysis? The drug? What it does is essentially it sterilizes, it, paralyzes your stomach to make you not be able to process food correctly. And there's studies now saying that that stomach paralysis. The really messing with your ability to digest food actually stays after you go off the drug. There's lawsuits now with people with severe gastrointestinal issues after coming off the drugs, that's being pronounced and that's coming out in lawsuits.

Additionally, because of that, you're consistently seeing patients who go off drugs gain the weight back, so that's almost, I think, universally accepted, even by Novonorix. When you go off the drug, you gain the weight back. But again, we're seeing most people that take the drug within the first year come off it. Because the gastrointestinal issues, the stomach issues, are so pronounced. Additionally, the EU, again, where this company is based, just launched a probe into suicidal ideation caused by Ozempic.

You can't even make this up. But the EU is doing a massive probe because there's so many reports of increased depression, increased suicide now. I was debating a Harvard doctor about six months ago and I brought this up because it's kind of obvious. Your serotonin, what produces your contentment and happiness 95, is made in the gut. And again, ozempic essentially is gut dysfunction, so when you mess with the serotonin and mess with the gut, a lot of unexpected things happening.

And very understandably, and really, what's to be expected is we're actually seeing reports of a mass increase in mental health disorders and even suicidal ideation from Ozempic. You just back up and ask, This miracle drug is too good to be true. It's really coming through.

But I want to say this, and I'm a libertarian. I think people should be able to take Ozempic. I think most drugs should be legal. Frankly, the problem is where the rubber really hits the road is there is an all out assault to convince us that this is the appropriate drug.

Again, this is the target market, this is why the stocks are popping and why Wall Street's going crazy. It's the biggest ham, the biggest target market for any drug in American history. It's 80 of American adults, but it's being fast tracked. You wouldn't believe this. But the American Academy of Pediatrics recently said that they recommend this as a first line of defense for teens.

And the study basing that decision? For the American Academy of Pediatrics to say that every obese or overweight teen, which is 50, should take this drug was a 68 week study. We had a 68 week study for a lifetime recommendation to 50 of teens in America to receive these injections.

It's the largest spender to medical groups like the AAP, it's one of the largest funders of actual civil rights groups. So you actually can't even believe this. But Novonorix is paying the NAACP to say that not supporting Ozempic is a civil rights issue.

You just have to ask who people trust, People trust the medical groups, they trust civil rights groups, they trust the media. You have a situation where? Additionally, Novonorix, and this is reported, has given $30 million in direct bribes to obesity doctors. You would be hard-pressed to find a doctor who treats obesity in this country who has not received some kind of donation. Not research grants, but direct consulting grants from Novonorix.

You know what you watch things about the opioid crisis and how the opioid completes the same playbook, you know I? Actually, when I was working for Pharma, the opioid crisis was in full effect.

And there was a panel in 2012.

And the panel was full of outside experts recommending guidance on opioids. The head of that panel was a man named Dr. Philip Pizzo, who was the dean of Stanford Med School at the time.

He was a pain specialist at the moment he was appointed to that panel. Stanford received a grant from Pfizer, who's one of the largest opioid makers, of $3 million for pain research. He appointed 90 of that panel, who are also conflicted, to receive direct research and personal consulting fees from opioid makers. And they released the relaxed opioid standards. This is exactly what's happening in obesity. You have, Dr.

Fatima Stanford, the head of obesity research at Harvard, paid tens of thousands of dollars by Novo Nordics just started a new.

This is like you're swimming in water, you don't realize you're in water. This is how academia is, the food industry, taking it to food, which is making us sick. Spends 11 times more on foundational nutrition research than the NIH. Pharma is the lifeblood of foundational scientific research in this country. And then you get to the NIH. Of course, it's a revolving door between government and industry.

And the vast majority of NIH grants go to pharma research, so the NIH is basically a grant-making organization. And this is just statistical, almost all going to research that has conflicts of interest with pharmaceutical drugs. The problem here is that every institution, all these institutions, fundamentally make more money. When we're sick, Ozempic doesn't cure obesity, it manages obesity for life, and that's a problem.

Statins don't.

I mean, you know, I think it's.

And we're a lot sicker in America.

We are a sick, depressed, infertile population. Sperm count is down 50 in just the past generation. 25 of women now have PCOS bleeding, cause of infertility. We are having trouble reproducing as a species, and these are all connected.

And there was a moment to talk about this. But instead, the media, the government institutions who are paid by pharma, pushed a pharmaceutical solution with trillions of dollars of airtime as the solution to our crisis. This was one of the greatest public policy mistakes in American history. What after coming off of the worst public policy failure, I think one of the worst in American history? With the Covid response on every level, you know, keeping the bars open and shutting down the schools. To pushing an effective pharmaceutical solution instead of root cause solutions, we're being asked to trust Pharma. When 80 of the American people, their bodies are like rebelling against them. With obesity, which are clearly a sign of underlying issues. Where Ozempic and daily, you know, weekly shots is not the root cause. This, just on its face, doesn't make sense, and then you trace the corruptions again. Ozempic is paying off everyone.

They're one of the five largest funders, the company itself, one of the five largest funders of news ads. One of the top research funders of obesity research, largest funders to university on the obesity topic. And the thing I, you know, kind of rammed home here, Tucker, is, you just have to look where the money is. So if you actually look at the analyst reports that are propping up these stocks, they're assuming an increase in obesity. So you talk about all that? Like the Novo Norix, largest company in Europe. They literally in where the money hits the road, where people are investing billions of dollars. They're assuming increased rates of obesity over the next 10 years in America. You actually was talking to a doctor at Harvard, you know? They're underwriting a loan for a new obesity center where they can treat an issue of Ozempic.

Those loans have projections for growth of obesity, they're not projecting that increased ozempic is going to decrease obesity. The loans that are underpinning these medical centers. If you go to any city in the country, the biggest, most beautiful building is, you know, some kind of new pediatric, you know, obesity center, or cardiology center. The loans assume increased rates of conditions. So, fundamentally, we have the largest entity in the country, healthcare. Not asking, imagine the leader saying, How do we reverse obesity?

How do we cure obesity? They're not asking that, they're saying, How can we actually say obesity is not your fault? Oprah, who's involved with weight watchers, just apologized for preaching personal accountability over the past decades.

She said It's not personal accountability. We're supporting Ozempic. This is becoming obesity is becoming something.

Yeah, Weight Watchers has shifted from a personal accountability organization that it's been preaching for decades and is now a prescriber of Ozempic. They've totally changed because Ozempic is a better business model, because you never go off of it.

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So maybe one of the reasons this is accepted, people don't see it as totally crazy as I do. I don't take Advil, so all of this seems crazy to me. But the average, say, 65-year-old person in this country is on how many drugs?

And the message from the doctor was no problem. The majority, almost of people your age, are on a statin, so no problem, that's a rite of passage. Then she had high fasting glucose again. That's basically pre-diabetes, which the majority of people have. Metformin, one of the most prescribed drugs in the country, high blood pressure.

So she has these comorbidities that are almost seen as like rites of passage. It's a rite of passage for a man over 40 to be on a statin. The majority are. So these were all kind of normal things. So as we've treated everything in silos, that's a lie. Heart disease, diabetes, in many ways, depression, Alzheimer's. They're branches of the same tree.

We've actually lied, saying those are different conditions, seeing four different doctors for four different treatments that don't even talk to each other. So we're managing the symptoms instead of seeing those symptoms as a gift and realizing that we have a root cause metabolic crisis. That's why the more statins we prescribe, the more heart disease goes up, the more metformin we prescribe, the more diabetes goes up, the more SSRIS we prescribe. Which are now 25 of women-.

Suicide is now the second leading cause of death for young adults. SSRis are-.

And ssris, you talk to any high schooler now and look in the it's the first line of defense. I mean, it is prescribed like candy when to children. Oh yes, ssris.

Oh, SSRI prescription rates are skyrocketing. You talk to any high school counselor, anyone in any high school. This is the first line of defense when a child-.

Adderall was developed by Nazi Germany as a tool for Nazi soldiers to be more aggressive, and now is prescribed widely, along with SSRIS, to kids.

Statin drugs are prescribed to the majority of American men over 40.

This is a brain disease. Food isn't the problem, it's a medical issue. Take Ozempic. Do not worry about what you're eating.

Robert Lustig, who's a hero of mine, has pointed this out. An endocrinologist at UCSF, the American Diabetes Association, said that as long as you take your medications, you do not need to change your diet as a diabetic. So you literally have guidance from the American Heart Association, from the American Diabetes Association, now from the Obesity Industrial Complex. Saying that if you take these drugs, you're good. But that's a lie. Because there's never been a drug in American history for a chronic condition that has lowered the rate of that chronic condition.

Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes. The most highest indicator you can have for dementia or Alzheimer's is some kind of blood sugar dysregulation. If you have normal fasting glucose levels, your chance of having any type of dementia is very, very low. Dementia is highly tied. Again, I don't even like using the word diabetes.

Diabetes is cellular dysregulation caused by our environment or food. Again, the majority of people in this country have some form of that happening inside their bodies because of our environment, and this is unprecedented. So diabetes is really the root cause, but if you just take diabetes, this is one of the biggest line items in the U.S budget.

If you add up all the line items we're spending on health care just to manage diabetes, it's more than the defense budget.

S government spends more managing diabetes than it does on defense.

It is not slowing down. It's going to be 40 of the budget in about 15 years, and it's only growing. There's nothing stopping this trend, and as that's happening, we're becoming an infertile, depressed, sicker population at an almost exponential rate. We're going to cease to exist as a country because we let that happen.

And you look at the budget, and you look at what's really going to destroy the budget in our country. Defense is a small part of it, it is health care costs, it is metabolic dysfunction.

She was a head and neck surgeon. And then the fellowship was going to be even the smaller part of the body, one millimeter. That's what doctors devote their lives to. That's a lie, that's a lie. When she was cutting out sinus inflammation, she looked at a patient's report.

They had 60 pages. They had pre-diabetes, they had depression, they had heart issues. She didn't speak to those doctors.

And she was never trained how the inflammation that she's cutting someone's face open and taking out. Not once at Stanford Med School was she trained or even brought up why that person has inflammation in the first place. That surgery, you know? Medicaid will pay $20,000 for that, along with all the other comorbidities the patient has. We're training doctors, right? Medical schools, pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, nurses, insurance companies. They make money when people are sicker for longer periods of time.

The way to do that is to silo conditions. That's why Ozimbic is so important, because obesity is not a siloed condition. Obesity is a visible example that we are losing our way as Americans. And treating that in a silo is just medically not going to work. And it's happening because of corruption.

If you look at that happening, highly related to mental health disorders, highly related to infertility, all connected. You would never say let's keep everyone sick and give them marginal drugs, you would just never do that. We have been completely gaslighted by Pharma Elon, who I think is the most important American in the country but has recently said these drugs are good. I think it's a little bit unlike him because we're not analyzing the problem and assessing what the root cause solution is.

I think we've frankly been.

We've changed our reality, we've changed our perception of what reality is. Based on pharma thinking that these marginal tools, and we've lost our way, right? The drug for every condition in a silent state hasn't worked.

We're all getting sicker, we've totally lost our way. Peter Tia pointed out that if you control for infectious diseases and acute things, that would kill you right away. Life expectancy really hasn't grown in the past 100 years. The almost 100 of life expectancy increase, which we all herald, is acute issues. Things that would have killed you right away, childhood mortality, if you actually....

Chronic.

This is 80 of Americans. It is going to just do the math. In America, when drugs are prescribed widely, costs don't go down. you're not allowed to lower drug prices if they're prescribed widely. And the moment Ozempic is approved, which is an all-out battle to do for government funding. There's an incentive for every obesity doctor in the country to prescribe this to 80 of American adults and 50 of u.s. teens.

The government then can't tell the doctor what to prescribe. So you've got a $20,000 cost, this is 20,000, that price is not coming down. Do the math.

50 million We have much more than 50 million obese people, 50 million is well over a trillion dollars a year. This is why the stocks are going up.

So the battle here, and this is my point to Elon and a lot of people, I want you to understand, the battle is. What are we going to do societally about the metabolic health crisis?

I think the president can do numerous things tomorrow. That will dramatically. I think one of the biggest lies we're being told is this can't be turned around quickly. We did not have a metabolic health crisis a generation ago, and we can turn this around very quick. I don't think the American people are mass suicidal, frankly, which is what we're acting.

We have an addiction crisis. I can give you a couple right now. The president tomorrow can tell the F.D.A. that the U.S. can no longer be the only country in the world. That allows pharma ads on TV news, which isn't to influence to consumers, it's to influence the news, pharma buys off the news. And the F.DA can issue an order tomorrow saying that that's no longer the case, that we can't have pharma spending on TV news.

That is an executive decision, it can be issued tomorrow, and it would totally undercut the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to control our information. Food stamps, the AG bill,....

I'm sorry, yeah, you're throwing. For my aging, pizza-addled brain, it's hard to keep up.

But you're saying that pharma buys TV spots not to convince people to ask for specific drugs from their physicians, but to subvert the news business.

It's marginally to impact the customer, but Pharma's already got that, they've already bought off the doctors, they're good on that. No, this is an open secret. The news ad spending from Pharma is a public relation lobbying tactic, essentially to buy off the news.

The news is a refer.

They're not investigating pharma. There's a man....

To even ask that question, the news referees that and calls you anti-science, when the two largest vaccine makers in the country are literally criminal enterprises. GlaxoSmithKline and Merck. In the past five years has settled two of the largest criminal penalties in American corporate history for bribing and misleading, bribing doctors and misleading creating misleading research. Who are the two largest vaccine makers?

So you literally have the media playing referee that you can't even ask a question. A parent is actually....

I can lose weight, this is going. The reason the stocks are going up is because this is going to be a lot of government money. This is going to be the highest funded drug from the U.S taxpayer in history.

We've got a society.

When are we going to say, let's go another direction? Why are we trusting Pharma now when they've been completely acting to garner no trust? We have to be basic here and incentivize better eating, better farming. You know, think about public policy.

With the $4 trillion we just spent on healthcare, how can Americans be more active? These are basic things, but these can be done. And just two more quick ones. I mean, there's 20 of these, but you just have to go to the incentives.

You were surprised that the majority of university researchers and NIH grants go to conflicted?

Researchers.

You're cutting nih funding exactly so you could do that. You could change AG subsidies, which are just tens of billions of dollars, to process food.

You could put restrictions on university conflicts of interest, which are essentially R&D labs or pharma. And I think a key one. Tucker. And you go back to the American Academy of Pediatrics. This isn't just some industry group the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Diabetes Association. These medical groups have statutory authority to create the standard of care for how we practice medicine. In the United States, they are funded majority by Pharma.

So the groups that literally have statutory power to create the standard of care for diabetes, you just step back. Why aren't doctors giving their patients prescriptions for food interventions if they have free diabetes, why aren't they giving them and prescribing them? And allowing them to use their medically tax-advantaged dollars to exercise? If you actually follow the science, that would be the correct medical intervention to reverse that. But we're so gaslighted by this, it's just not even batting an eye that it's just pill, pill, pill.

Americans follow incentives. What we're trying to do at Trumed is a doctor actually can write a note for exercising, food. And that actually can open up medical tax-advantaged dollars and other insurance dollars. Doctors could do that, but the second you get someone off the chronic disease treadmill, that's not a profitable patient. There's nothing more profitable for the pharmaceutical industry than, frankly, a sick kid. You imagine a kid with prediabetes?

Inevitably they're obese, inevitably they have hypertension, inevitably they have heart issues. They're going to be like my mom. Much earlier. On just a ton of drugs, being told on each of those drugs that you're not curing anything. These are conditions you need to manage for life.

So we're getting people, there's a war to get kids on that bandwagon. We need to have the moral clarity, frankly, and communicate this like RFK is communicating it. There's something really resonating and at the core of his message is that we've really lost our way. This is a big issue.

This is corruption, it's corruption at the end of the day, which is destroying and profiting off, destroying our kids, profiting on us, being sicker and addicted and depressed. Quite frankly, this is a big issue we need to unwind, and frankly, President Trump has made some strong statements about this. I'd say watching the GOP debate, it's like watching a bizarre world. I mean, Rome is burning in a lot of ways.

We have a corruption problem. And it sounds like they're at some cocktail party in 1988 GOP cocktail party. It's not about the marginal tax rate, it's not about the Medicare. Part D, Page 300. Our biggest industries, our biggest industry, the healthcare industry, is profiting from us being sick. It's just that simple, and we need to unwind that, or we're going to destroy our human capital and destroy our budget.

I mean, it's our company, but I want to say that I think it's the most important issue in the world. What we need to do is doctors need to follow the science, Doctors need to. When somebody has a metabolic condition, explain to them and incentivize them to practice better eating, to exercise. People listen to doctors.

When we were told the food paramedics eat carbs, we ate carbs. When we were told to take vaccines. We took vaccines. When we were told to stop smoking, smoking rates plummeted. We need every doctor and every medical leader. And frankly, I hope leaders like Elon, who care about human capital and our potential, to say. We need to unwind this and we need to get back to root causes in America. And talk about food, talk about exercise, talk about sleep, you can transform your life.

These policies would transform things. You can change your biomarkers in three months if you go on a functional medicine-type program and really have curiosity about what you're eating, your behavior. What if we had that message from our medical leaders? So we're working on that with Trumed. And I'm on Twitter, which I have mixed feelings about, but I'll be talking about this on my Twitter, Kali means.