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It is more important than ever that our children learn to read. They cannot read, write, and do math and certainly have no understanding of science. Well, America was very lucky this week and fortunately we did not have a replication of the JFK assassination, and President Trump is okay, and I believe that's going to change the course of American history, and we'll talk about that a little bit later on, because I have a very special guest and he has granted us time to go over what I feel is really the worst, most existential threat that we are facing, and it's not climate change. It's the lies surrounding climate change, because they, the left, really has instilled upon our children so many lies about the climate that they have even created the climate as being a health emergency. Well it is, but not in the way they think.

So Sterling Burnett, who is from the Heartland Institute and he is the director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy has agreed to join me today, and let's have a real in-depth conversation of the fallacy of what has been happening with the climate, because remember, folks, the climate changes period and there's very little that we humans can do about it. Thank you so much for joining me today, Sterling. It is always a pleasure to have you on. I always enjoy our talk and I learn so much when you're on, and I saw that you were discussing a topic called climate lawfare, and I thought that was so interesting that you can share that with everyone.

Yeah, well, first, thank you for having me on again.

and so we were not everyone. of course, the tragic loss of life of the firefighter and the injuries to the others were spared, but the country itself was spared. I think what would have been at least a minor cataclysm, because who knows what kind of madness would have broken out had Trump been killed. Yes. We're fortunate there.

Concerning, I'm sorry, the original question was it Barrel? You're discussing about the climate.

so it was just another one of the things that they were trying to eliminate Trump with, and fortunately she agreed that they were unlawful, unconstitutional. but that leads into everything, because lawfare is the law. and how is climate... No, it's, it's that, that's the.

unable to get. you know. they were unable to get Trump while he was president with the fake dossier.

the. the justice department said he couldn't be prosecuted for the whatever the money that was spent on. Stormy Daniels said that that did not violate federal law. and yet they keep using the courts on Trump to try. and what are they really trying to do?

do they really want to lock him up? do they care about Trump? no, they don't want him to be president. so they're trying to keep him from being voted on by the people. they're trying to circumvent democracy.

they say they're protecting democracy. they're trying to circumvent democracy. they don't want the people to decide because they don't. they fear what decision they might make. well, lawfare is the same in climate matters.

it's using the courts that congress has looked at carbon dioxide emission legislation for more than 20 years now. repeatedly, bills have been offered have been put forward to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, and regulations have been put forward by the environmental protection agency to regulate carbon dioxide emissions. the regulations have routinely been struck down as unconstitutional and when congress has looked at it, they have said no, you know, they end up not passing the bills for whatever reason they don't pass the legislation. and the people who? the radical progressive climate alarmists, the people who are really trying to use climate change as a tool to enact progressive socialism.

they don't like it. the democracy has gone against them. so they're trying to use the courts to impose their will by suing, saying oh well, big oil is killing us, and they knew they were killing us, and so they should have to pay for the damages. and so you've got hundreds of cases across the country where supposedly kids but it's really legal interest groups, you know ginning up kids as plaintiffs. it's, uh, environmental groups and it's states and localities looking for big money to pay for their.

uh, you know, it's like how high we can we raise taxes? we can't raise taxes anymore. we're already driving people out. oh, let's just sue the oil companies and get big money from them, so we can keep doing our big government. so they're trying to use the courts to impose restrictions on fossil fuel use.

on transportation. you know, it's like it would affect the plastics. it would affect everything if they're successful. and so that's what they're doing now. just last week it was proposed by in a law journal and some other places that civil suits are not enough, that what you need is criminal prosecutions of the heads of oil companies for second degree murder for the deaths due to climate change.

that is the most extreme form of lawfare. oh wow, i'm, i'm in shock on that one. yeah, no, i i can't imagine how you would you know. normally in a court of law, for a criminal case, first off, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt and you have to reasonably tie a particular action of a particular person to a particular death. we don't have any deaths that we can say.

this was due to climate change. so how can you prosecute, uh, a so-called murder that hasn't, uh, that's not been identified as such and you can't identify any action by a particular head of uh, a major oil company or even a small oil company that risk. you know that's responsible for that non-death that we can't identify. but they want to prosecute them for second degree murder. um so, this is the direction we are going.

it is a dangerous, dangerous direction. i actually don't think. at least you know. uh, in the near term that kind of case is going anywhere. but the civil cases that are trying to bankrupt these oil companies are trying to get them to get out of the oil business are going forward, that you know.

one one after the other, one city after another. uh, in the past year, two cities lawsuits have been tossed out, uh, by democratic judges, by the way, who said, no, this is not the job of some local maryland, you know, baltimore prosecutor to, uh, dictate energy policy for the entire country. uh, that's left up to the federal government under the clean air act. if they want to get involved, that's their business, but it's not up to a local prosecutor. that happened in connecticut, uh, or del del connecticut, delica.

i think delica, connecticut earlier this year and it happened in baltimore just last week. so now, sterling, didn't the supreme court just make?

uh, last, a couple weeks ago, the supreme court said no, you know, we were wrong then there's nothing in the constitution that says administrative agencies get to decide what the law actually means. that's up to judges. and so judges have to decide whether, uh, uh, regulations written to uh, you know, to uh, provide the details of the law, actually comply with the law and and the truth is, it shouldn't even be, uh, the courts that it should be congress. and you know, congress is the sole. it is solely responsible under our constitution for writing laws, and when they write laws, administrative agencies may need to write detailed regulations, but in my opinion they should then have to go back to congress to say are we complying with what you intended and congress?

department of energy didn't exist. uh, the department of education didn't exist. department com, you know. but, uh, congress writes laws and delegates, uh, its authority to write the details right. so, the clean air act says you must regulate, uh, you must reduce certain pollution to acceptable levels, but then it leaves it to the epa to discern what those acceptable levels are.

in the law, congress specified certain pollutants. uh, the epa has gone outside of, uh, what was specified in the law to say oh well, these are pollutants too, and we should be regulating them like co2. uh, that was not in the law. so, um, the point is certainly, uh, administrative agencies, agencies, uh, have some responsibility the way, uh, federal law is set up to write regulations that enact.

laws duly passed by congress, but they don't have the right to do mission creep and they don't have the right to go beyond, uh, the limited authority given to them by congress. and of course i would say actually, like you say, they're not even delegated under the constitution. there's nowhere in the constitution that says, unless congress wants to delegate it to somebody else and then they can write the regulation. so um, now we can debate that also, aren't? aren't a lot of these?

and you know like who manages who. and then we find out that too often the feds come in and they don't know what they're doing, and it doesn't apply to florida and they impose it upon us.

and and the argument was well, the states are allowing, uh, chaos and pollution and people are dying and the federal government has to get involved. now, the art, you know, the facts on the ground were the cuyahoga river had burned five times, uh, since the beginning of the century. uh, in part due to federal laws which preempted, uh, local property rights where people could use, uh, riparian water rights laws to block certain types of pollution. uh, they said, no, no, we can't let that get in the way of business. um, so, government created a problem and it then tried to fix through, uh, federal legislation.

but even at the time, in many states the waters were getting cleaned up because the states were acting, but not every state. and so the federal government, uh, created the epa. um, they created a part of energy to solve energy problems that they created with the arab oil embargo, uh.

you know they, you know they created the department of education to uh, to uh, fix problems that were that they were creating. um, it seems we didn't. we didn't. we didn't have a department of education for for the vast majority of this uh of this country, and when we didn't have one, um reading, arithmetic and science, uh, levels and knowledge were much better than post, post uh, federal government intervention. um.

so, uh, they created the epa to handle problems that weren't that there were trans, you know, transboundary problems. the states pollution one uh affecting pollution in another state. um, there was actually a a way to handle that without, uh, an agency. the the constitution provided um allowed the states to sue and go directly to the supreme court in a conflict between the states. uh, but they created an agency to sort of nationalize air quality.

so everybody has the same air quality. that nobody is, uh, being put upon. and but now, like you say, florida has its agency, texas has, is that everyone has their agencies. we actually proposed about six or seven years ago, uh, changing radically, uh, environmental policy in the u.s making the epa an information-only agency, so congress could go to it and say what's going on here. and they provide, uh information, um, and in the states, uh, we would have what would call uh, basically a confederacy of the state's environmental agencies and they could, uh, set regulations and enforce those regulations based on the information provided by the epa.

wow, wouldn't that be wonderful? well, i think so. it would move. it would move the bureaucracy out of washington. it would take away all but a minimal amount of funding for the epa.

so, basically, the funding would stay with the state agencies and uh and and the bodies to help enforce those laws, rather than draining a quarter to uh, half of the money away to the federal bureaucracy and then sending a little bit back to the states to do what the federal bureaucracy says they should be doing. uh, you know, that's what happens with the department of education, all that money that the department of education gets every year. imagine if that was just directly with the states right.

to me, this is just a mass transfer of wealth and i think that that's what they're doing with the climate. they're trying to scare the people and then, as they're scaring them, they're also taxing them to eliminate more wealth and take away what the people need food and energy. i also just read that they have closed all of the leases in alaska. how are the people in alaska supposed to warm themselves if they can't even use their own oil and use our own production to help us through turbulent times of hurricanes or extreme heat, extreme cold? how does it?

i always tell everybody, you know if, if people would just stop using plastic straws, we might not have?

uh, decades ago, in 1980, when jimmy carter was president, one of his last acts, uh, of the presidency congress passed a law that said oh, we're taking all this land from alaskans. uh, we're going to lock it up and something called the elastic national wildlife refuge, but we promise that a portion of it will be used for oil and gas. but we'll work that out later. and they've never been able to work it out, so they've been robbed for a long time. the congress passed a law a few years ago that opened up that area of the arctic national wildlife refuge, uh, for oil and gas, and actually directed them to offer the leases they were offered.

biden rescinded them contrary to law, but he didn't care about the law. um, there is a place called the, the national petroleum reserve, a. uh, they actually have an a and a b. they were originally naval petroleum reserves. they were reserved so that we could make sure the military continued to have.

you know, that couldn't be cut off from energy. uh, they turned it into something different, but they were specifically designated to produce oil and gas for the nation. i mean that's that is the reason for their very existence. and the biden administration says no, we're not going to offer leases there. we don't care what the law says.

we just don't care what the law says. we're the president and, you know, the imperial presidency. they, they complain. they say oh biden. they say, they say trump will be a dictator, he'll be an autocrat.

well, what is it what? what is biden when he says i don't care what the law says, i'm not doing it. that's an authoritarian and a dictator. that's violation of the law. and when he's sued, when he goes to court, like he did with some offshore leases early in his administration, when he blocked them, the court said no, that's against the law.

you must offer the leases. and he was like, uh, like andrew jackson. uh, mr justice, justices, you have made your ruling. now enforce it.

well, we'll get to their permit sooner or later. uh, six thousand permits backed up under biden, um, and then, when gas prices go high before an election, he sells off our strategic oil petroleum reserve and he goes begging to one government who he called a terrorist government, a rogue government, saudi arabia. he said oh, you assassinated this. uh, this journalist, we are not your friends. oh, but, by the way, could you please give us some oil?

um, and he goes to venezuela, my, my, from where my wife is from. oh, communist dictator, you know, we know that trump imposed restrictions on you. uh, you know, we're supposed to care about these things called free and fair elections, but not so much now that we need oil. so we're gonna remove the sanctions. we don't care what you do with your elections.

can you please send us some oil? uh, so he won't develop our own reserves, but he'll go begging to foreign dictators for reserves from.

um, but the computer models are kind of off, so don't go away and, uh, tell everyone where they can find you. well, i'm with the heartlands too. they can go to.

heartland.

org they can read, uh, you know, my weekly climate change weekly. they can sign up for the newsletter. we send it out three times a month or they can read it on heartlanddailynews.com we also have daily updates on climaterealism.com and, uh, semi-regular, uh, fact checks. basically, uh, climate, um claims of climate science and economic claims at climateataglance.com

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you will be astounded at what they don't know, and this is part of the problem, or i think the biggest problem, and how the left is able to fool us and fool them because they are giving them misinformation. our climate is dictated by computer models. now think about that. when we have a hurricane, they never show you one path. they've got about 30 different paths because they have no idea which way the hurricane is going to go.

but, of course, if you give up plastic straws, it won't come near you. so what we have to do is make sure that our kids are immersed in the truth and that they can read and write and do math and understand science and understand that they are not responsible for a hurricane, and frightening them into thinking that they are is never going to work. right now we are going to be experiencing several phenomenons that happen in. they happen all the time, and this time we're going to be, we just are coming out of an el nino and we're going to be going into a la nina, and i've asked sterling to come back and explain what that means, because this is going to be a period of turbulent weather and there's very little we can do about it except prepare, and that's what we are lacking when we are busy blaming the cows for farting. sterling, thank you so much for coming back and and helping us understand what's going to what we are going to be experiencing.

well, it's not on a.

you know, uh, it was supposed to rain in all of dallas last week pretty regularly. uh, no, it didn't happen. um, so, um, what we're coming out of? uh, an el nino, which is a cycle when the waters in the pacific are warmer than normal. that causes one set of weather phenomena.

uh, it ended up causing a lot and a lot of snow in the pacific northwest and the mountain west. uh, over the last couple of years. so all the lakes are up. um, la nina might shift that differently. it also affects the atlantic.

uh, because the currents don't just stay in the pacific, the atlantic, there's a whole circulation around the occurred. you know the globe of the earth, the oceans. and, uh, the claim is well, la nina will help fuel worsening hurricanes. and we've got a hurricane prediction every year. by the way, we have hurricane seasons every year.

hurricanes are not a rare phenomena, it happens every every year, so regularly they call it hurricane season. um, that's the same thing. that's true of wildfires. we have something called wildfire season. we have tornado season.

um, you know, these phenomena have been historically, through it through throughout our our uh. oral and written records have existed at certain times a year with regularity. hurricanes are one of those uh, but there are large oceanic patterns that, it turns out, affect hurricanes now. uh, the oceans are very warm right now, and so there was a prediction that that, on top of la nina coming, would cause even greater hurricanes this year. but it turns out that la nina is slow to come and, honestly, i'm not sure it will come anytime soon it we may go into, it's not like we always shift from la nina to el nino and el nino to la nina.

no, we also go into neutral phases. sometimes that last for years at a time. so, uh, right now it looks like we're in a neutral phase, but how long will it last for the next el nino? i don't know. i don't think scientists know and in fact, uh so they made these predictions earlier in the year.

the national hurricane center made these predictions saying we're going to have a busier than average year. um, it was in in part dependent upon uh a, the ocean temperatures, which is a factor, and b? uh, el nino coming, which is a factor. they're not the only factors. um, dust from the sahara can suppress it.

wind shear, uh, shreds hurricanes before they form or after they form. um, you know, so to some extent they're taking flyers, they're. they're basing on just a couple of phenomena, and one of the phenomena hadn't come to be now it may later in the year. right now, where what happened is uh, well, we haven't had a lot of named storms yet. i believe three.

only one hurricane, now, to be fair barrel, was the earliest category. five hurricane ever to form. uh, it formed in july when it made landfall in the u.s it was only a category one. it was not the first, contrary to a lot of people. oh, the first time a hurricane ever struck texas in in in july.

uh or uh, you know this, early in the year, false in 86 hurricane category. one hurricane hit texas in june. two weeks earlier, uh, in uh in uh, 2010, or 11, a hurricane hit just south of the texas border and the storms, you know the the eye of the hurricane hit south, but the winds and everything the swirl that you see, uh, hit texas. um, so it's happened before, we've actually had six other named storms. so tropical storms hit texas earlier than july.

uh, so, barrel was not unique. it was rare but not unique, um, and it didn't cause damage. that was unique. so, um, there was a story in bloomberg that claimed oh my god it. you know what state suffers the worst from natural disasters.

it's not florida, it's not. it's not natural disasters, of climate induced disaster, it's texas. texas has suffered 350 billion dollars of. they call it climate induced, i call it weather-related. uh, damage since 1980, so 44 years.

and and they blamed. they blamed the victim, they blamed texas. why? because it develops, supports fossil fuels and and yeah, so that's like blaming the victim. oh well, you produce fossil fuels, so you're killing yourself.

well, it turns out that, uh, the biggest industry in texas is the fossil fuel industry. there's lots of different parts of the fossil fuel industry in the most recent year. uh, just the four, just four top fossil fuels. not the chemical refining, not the plastics, nothing else. just, uh, petroleum and gasoline wholesaling, oil and gas extraction refining and, uh, bulk stations.

they produced 1.

13 trillion dollars in revenue in a single year. uh, uh, the top one 486.5 billion dollars, which is more in a single year than the 350 billion, uh, bloomberg attributed since 1980 to natural disasters. so i think you know. uh, there, even if, even if all the damage wouldn't have occurred, absent climate change and there's no evidence of that, um, i'd say there's a net benefit there, folks. but, uh, the problem is, you can't attribute any of it to climate change, because hurricanes have always occurred here, tornadoes have certainly always occurred here.

i've, i've lived, uh, you know, i'm 60 years old, i've lived in texas all but about six years of my life, um, and i've seen many tornadoes. uh, tornadoes are common here. where they're, we're at the bottom of what's called the, the, the tornado. uh, alley isn't part of the problem.

we didn't have satellites before 78. um, we didn't have the. you know the storm chasing, uh, planes out over the ocean there's. there's a lot of things we don't have. but we do know that these things occurred and the best evidence is that they haven't gotten any worse.

i mean who says that? who says that? is it sterling burnett? the hartland institute says no, the intergovernmental panel on climate change. they look at the data and they say uh, there's no evidence that hurricanes have gotten worse or that powerful hurricanes have gotten worse.

they look at tornadoes and they say there's no evidence whatsoever that humans are affecting tornadoes, their own. the people that they rely on for alarm say well, these trends aren't actually that alarming, so they can't any single storm or any percentage of that storm to climate change. and then then also they do.

maybe we're going to stop offering insurance or it's going to go way up, which means, of course, only the wealthy can now live there. right? um, but, uh, you know that's a decision you have to make it, but once you've made that decision, there is nobody there is, i don't. i guess it's possible that there's somebody who has lived in a bunker for their entire lives, an adult, uh, who's never poked their head out like, uh, you know, like a groundhog, and uh, so they don't know that. uh, if you live in houston, on the coast hurricane strike, or if you live in mississippi on the coast, or alabama on the coast, or florida on the coast, hurricane strike with some regularity and, uh, flooding comes with that and rain comes with that, and so you could be impacted and be.

we people in kansas shouldn't be subsidizing, uh, hurricane and flood insurance for people who wish to live on the coast of florida or texas. that's true. that would be a problem if they said we no more, we no longer subsidize hurricane and flood insurance. the markets would largely dry up and the people that live there would be taking on the moral hazard themselves. as it is, we socialize we.

we have socialism in the. in the insurance markets, wealthy uh. people in kansas farmers subsidize, uh, flood and hurricane insurance, just like, by the way, people in florida subsidize, uh, crop insurance. you know we've got these traded subsidies where it's like. well, you want to be in, you want to be a farmer.

um, and farming comes with risks. sometimes there's drought, sometimes there's too much rain. uh, and you don't want to suffer those risks. you don't want to. uh, if it hurts you, you want us to pay for it regardless.

so we're going to offer you crop insurance. who's paying for that? well, everybody's paying for it. you've socialized the market.

they are very, very important and they're important for you to understand what we're facing. nobody, as sterling said, you can't predict the future, but, for heaven's, we certainly have enough data from the past that we know that things are possible. things could happen, and if you're planning on moving to one of these areas and you're not prepared and you don't know what you're facing, shame on you, because that's not the government's job. um, what can we do about energy? because it seems as though i was reading one of the states put up all these windmills.

i forgot which state. maybe it was oklahoma put up all these windmills and it hasn't been windy for the last seven days. so what happens to? i don't know. i don't know which state that is.

um, because what they do is they turn on the natural gas plants that they close down and those come at a cost. those, you know, it's like all of a sudden you got to rush all this natural gas. well, that means you got to get supply real quick, because it's not like they've got reserves sitting around just waiting to turn on. so they've got to ship it here, they got to pay for it. so prices go way up and everybody pays higher prices and the industry pays higher prices, and they pass that along to you, uh, in the form of the price of your goods and services.

and uh, then they blame the natural gas people, as opposed to the wind and solar that they built out with government support and help. um, that failed, as opposed to making the wind and solar people, who sold you a bill of goods. um, make them pay for the. uh, the, the reliability problem. if you don't provide you, you got.

uh, i don't want to get too technical, but if you claim you're going to produce your nameplate, capacity is a thousand megawatts of power and it turns out that, on average, in a year you supply about 330 megawatts of power. you should have to pay for the 670 backup, the, the supposed backup, which is actually two-thirds of the time. it's running on something else, despite your promise. so, um, you know, if we ended the subsidies for renewables tomorrow, the industries would drive up, dry up. we did the tax credits and, uh, they'd have to keep reliable power online rather than shutting down good baseload plants.

uh, because they make a lot of money if they build new renewable plants that are highly subsidized.

it's like in the old days. it's dependent on the gods. you know you you pray the wind, you play, pray the wind blows. uh, you know, at night you say oh, i hope my batteries work because the sun's not shining. so you're not getting that solar.

or you pray this. it's not cloudy or rainy, because that stops the solar power. that's not how you design a modern power grid, but it's designed by politicians. now it's failing and they want to blame fossil fuels for that. that's crazy.

oh, that certainly is.

and then you know, we wouldn't need the solar farms if we use the natural gas that we have an abundance of air coal, look.

uh, they're, they're shedding microplastics. um, at a pretty rapid rate, and the microplastics get in the soil and guess what you don't want to be eating in your food is microplastics. so, uh, the farmland becomes unusable. uh, but they don't tell the farmers that. uh, but it's, it's becoming more and more apparent.

secondly, with solar farms, uh, texas, arizona, a few other states, you think, let's, let's so. florida, because you know florida gets, is rainy a lot, it's cloudy a lot in florida and there are parts of texas where that is not much of an issue and it's sunny. but for about four months of the year you can expect temperatures well above 90 degrees. uh, and you say, well, so what, it's sunny, the, the solar panels work. it turns out solar panels lose efficiency above, uh, i think it's 92 degrees because of the way the, uh, the, the electrons work and the buckling of the panels themselves under heat.

so, uh you're, you're even during the best. you know what you would think of, because the sun is shining and there are no clouds. you would think of the ideal time for solar to shine. it turns out not so much because, uh uh, it's too hot and.

so we have in florida, i think. uh, when i looked last, it says that we have spent and sent over six billion dollars to china for.

do you think it might be china, china. and for cobalt, the congo where it's, they're built using child and slave labor. uh, so that's great human rights. uh, you know, it's like green. you get your green on the back of slavery.

um, that's, that's good. and of course, the environments there are destroyed. and um, it's it's all virtue signaling. but in the end, even if you create, you manufacture the technologies here, the minerals that go into them, and that means you're beholden to china. if china doesn't like the tariffs, they can just say sorry, you can't have our minerals either, so no one can build solar panels now.

to be fair, if that was the end result, i wouldn't be too upset about that. um, but uh, that's not the end result, because china will still be selling their panels. they'll just be more expensive than they otherwise would be. sterling, tell everybody where they can.

president trump was incredible. as always, this is a man who showed himself to be a true leader, a uniter for america, and made the most incredible choice as vice president. this is the first time in a long time that i have really had hope hope for america, hope for we, the people, and, with the leadership of president trump and the team that he will be putting together, we can win, and it is going to be up to us, we, the people. we can't throw everything on his shoulders. he's a miraculous, marvelous man and, after coming back the way that he did from an attempt on his life, god sitting on his shoulder, and i truly believe that god has blessed america and given us another chance to right this wrong.

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