2024-01-05 00:30:30
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All right, welcome to America This Week, and I'm Matt Taibbi.
And I'm Walter Kern.
Walter, how was your holiday?
My holiday was splendid in a way that my life usually isn't.
On New Year's Eve, I was the guest of Fontainebleau Hotel in Las Vegas along with my wife, and
we were able to join in a kind of celebration that I thought had passed from this earth.
There were truffles in baskets, black truffles the size of golf balls.
It was actually like the driving range where you get a bucket of balls, except you got
a bucket of truffles at this party.
Wow.
Yeah, they made risotto.
I'd never seen a whole truffle before.
They're kind of like lumps of coal.
Let alone a bucket of them.
Yeah.
And, you know, the thief in me, you know, there's a thief in all of us, I like to think,
saw these buckets of truffles and just wanted to liberate a single one.
But I was sure that the Vegas security net was as tight as ever, so I didn't get grabbed.
Oh, that's true, because the eye in the sky, right?
You'd end up in a back room with Robert De Niro breaking your hand bones with a hammer,
right?
Yeah, or worse, Joe Pesci.
Joe Pesci, yeah, exactly, yeah, with a pen, yeah.
But yeah, I was able to see the fireworks of the Las Vegas Strip from the top of the
tallest building in Nevada, the tallest habitable building.
There's a kind of a tower in Las Vegas that's taller, that doesn't have rooms, the Stratosphere.
But Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck were in attendance at the same party.
Wow.
I was able to glimpse their love from afar.
Did it have like an aura?
Was it like, was it visible?
Well, it was visible in the form of many security guards.
Here's what it takes to be a Hollywood A-lister.
You can have a ring of security guards at a party where everybody else is pretty fancy.
It's been pre-selected.
There was a private elevator, you had to have wristbands.
And so there aren't any, you know, paparazzi or anyone just sort of molest you, but still
you're ringed by however many, you know, glowering guards.
And behind that group, behind that group of guards, you party as though you're just a
regular person, you know, as though you don't notice the fact that no one else can come
near you except those who have been pre-approved to come past the perimeter.
So I gawked rather like I would at the Penguin exhibit, you know, to see how they were doing
back there.
He was in a white suit.
I wonder if, is that to keep people from like approaching or is that a real security issue?
You know, it's definitely a status symbol.
I don't think there was anyone who, as I say, posed much of a threat.
It kept me from approaching, I'll tell you that.
I mean, I didn't want to have to give a password or go through whatever frisking was necessary
to advance 12 inches across that barrier.
But it was a Vegas party in style.
There was caviar, you know, not just truffles.
There was a hidden room where sushi was dispensed.
Sushi that you could not have obtained, you know, legally in any other way from fish that,
you know.
Right.
It's like coelacanth or something like that, right?
Exactly.
Extinct three million, three hundred million years ago.
Oh, the, you know, the optic nerve of the giant squid sliced thin on a cracker.
Oh, exactly.
With a soup saw of what's a good endangered animal, like land based animal?
I don't know.
You know, a koala or something like that.
Koala toes.
No, I don't know.
Koalas maybe.
You know, the timber wolf.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
The red wolf.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
The red wolf eyelid spread across, you know.
A little lump of sushi rice.
So, yeah, we consumed extinct animals in the company of A-list stars while staring out
or gazing out at the Las Vegas Strip as far as what works.
And the thing that we got to see from our perch was the sphere.
The new Las Vegas attraction, which is this giant, you know, bowling ball just
off the strip that is constantly illuminated with changing psychedelic
patterns and is as big as a stadium.
And I've got, it's one of the first impressive new structures I've seen
in America for a long time.
I was going to say, like, America is a little wanting on the sort of
impressive big things.
At least lately.
Right.
Yeah.
We used to toss them off all the time.
Yeah, here's the Grand Coulee Dam, you know, whatever.
Right, right, right.
No, this is worthy of Shanghai or one of the cities that will soon lead the world.
And because it's round, they have to do spectacles that involve round things.
So it often turns into a giant happy face and winks at you.
It does things like that.
Other times, it's just the biggest lava lamp, the biggest dorm room lava
lamp ever constructed.
But that's awesome.
I'm all for that.
It was awesome, you know, and people who know awesome, like Elon Musk,
have visited the sphere and said that it qualifies as a new example
of awesomeness.
So I was kind of heartened for America.
We still innovate.
I think we have the only sphere on the planet.
If you have thousands of dollars, you can see YouTube play inside it.
We should have a Department of Awesome in the end, a cabinet-level agency.
Well, under Trump, I think that's been promised, has it not?
One week ago, I mean, one week, maybe a few months ago, he promised some
actual infrastructure improvements to the United States.
Interesting, interesting.
So we need that, a new cabinet-level awesome agency, and we do have
to take Greenland.
I think we should just take it.
I was so disappointed when we didn't buy Greenland.
And I'm told, my sources tell me, and this is worthless as journalism
file under gossip, that American oligarchs are going to buy Greenland anyway.
That the reason we didn't buy it as a state, as a nation, is that
Because somebody else wants it.
They're private entities who want it, because there's vast mineral wealth,
especially metals and so on, which could drive battery-powered cars and so on.
I don't know if it's lithium or other things.
Yeah, I was talking about this with a friend.
We gave up on that idea too easily.
We should have just sent an email to Denmark, right?
I mean, what are they going to do?
From this press-at-state-dot-gov email account to saying,
Oh, by the way, we've decided that, you know,
Monroe Doctrine, bitch, we're going to take this.
And if you have any objections, talk to the EU or fight or whatever
it is you choose to do.
What are they going to do?
I mean, they're Denmark.
Right.
Exactly.
And if there are any clear lessons from American history,
at least the history that I learned in grade school in the 1970s,
it's that when confronted with a giant real estate purchase that's possible,
the American government should always buy rather than pass.
Seward's Folly turned out well.
The Louisiana Purchase turned out well.
If there was any clear lesson from history,
it's that when offered a giant chunk of a continent
or, you know, piece of the globe for less,
for actual money, just buy it.
Yeah, absolutely.
And we can always depreciate the currency later, right?
I mean, you know.
We're doing that anyway.
We're doing that anyway.
Well, anyway, there's been a lot of news since you and I were last at a show
and thanks, by the way, to all listeners in America this week
for that week holiday, which we missed you all, but it was a good holiday.
A lot of stuff happened, four big things in particular,
but there's one that's kind of hot in the news today.
By the way, when this show is actually up,
it'll be Friday, I'll be in Iowa officially starting
a year of being on the campaign trail.
So there's going to be some other videos you should look for on Racket today
if you're watching this.
So we'll talk about the campaign later,
but there were a series of stories that were really interesting already this week.
Do you want to get into the Claudine Gay thing?
I mean, I didn't follow it so much at the time,
but it's kind of fascinating to look at from afar.
Well, because I have a wife who attended Harvard
and attempts to lord it over me
and because I myself went to Princeton,
the superior institution of quiet people.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, the quiet types who run the world, you know.
I might have to go run off and throw up a little bit,
but then...
Yeah, believe me.
Any populist sympathies you might ascribe to me
are going to be thrown into question
when you realize that I have a Princeton-Harvard rivalry
going on in my house,
as though such a repulsive thing could be of interest to anyone.
But yeah, well, Princeton has quiet people like Alan Dulles
who just secretly run the world.
Harvard has people who loudly and out front run the world.
Princeton produces great drummers,
and Harvard leads singers.
So in other words, I pay special attention to this.
And yesterday, Claudine Gay threw it in.
She decided to follow the UPenn president out the door
following weeks of scrutiny and controversy
that started over her congressional testimony
in which she was accused of not properly...
Genuflecting.
Just backing up, the timeline on this is
the Gaza thing happens,
there are hearings in Congress
at which these university presidents
are basically asked to condemn Hamas, right?
And they kind of flub the question.
I should confess, I hate that tactic.
It's an old campaign trail trick
to make a candidate look like an idiot
no matter what the answer.
So you might remember from the debate in 2020
when Joe Biden and Chris Wallace
were asking Trump to condemn the Proud Boys.
You either look like you're kissing ass to the questioner
or like you're endorsing something horrible.
The video that emerges from that is almost universally bad.
So my feeling is always like
the only way to answer those questions
is like what Ramaswamy did yesterday
or the other day before when somebody
from the Washington Post asked him to renounce.
White supremacy, you know,
I understand the game you're playing,
like screw you, I'm not going to bow to your catechism,
that kind of thing.
You can answer it like that,
but if you do it in any other way,
it's going to look bad no matter what
and I think media amateurs sometimes struggle
in that situation.
Having said that, they didn't answer all that well.
And this is what set in motion the whole thing, basically.
In her case, there's an additional problem
that was actually uncovered, though.
It was discovered that in Claudine Gay's academic past,
she had cited without reference
or copied or included in her papers
pieces of text
from other professors,
other writers.
And these plagiarism
and these
plagiarism examples
started to mount.
More and more were found
and Harvard defended her unanimously.
It resulted in a lot of euphemistic defense
like duplicative language,
I think was a term
that was used to substitute
for plagiarism.
There was a lot of what you might call
Jesuitical argument
over what constitutes plagiarism
and so on.
But the trend was against her.
They just kept turning up more examples.
They also got certain academic groups
to condemn her
and then some of the authors of papers
that she appeared to have borrowed from
also spoke out against her.
And what I said at the time
when this stuff first came to light
and Harvard insisted on keeping her
was that it was like
Harvard had fallen into a ditch
and rather than getting out of it
would have been getting rid of her
they decided to build a house there
and they mounted a big defense
they used all these euphemisms
they suggested that they had already
investigated this stuff
but it also came out
that the New York Post had been about
to run a story back when
before this controversy came to the fore
about her plagiarism
alleged plagiarism problems
and Harvard had threatened them
with lawsuits
and the Post did not run the story
and Harvard also claimed
that it did a private investigation
and exonerated her.
But I think personally
I knew that her days were limited
you just don't
you don't sort of gut it out
in this case
because there was evidence
and more and more evidence
as the weeks went on
that she had at least played fast and loose
with these time honored standards
which are in Harvard's own book of rules
and as a
former Ivy League student myself
who faced a disciplinary hearing
in fact
about possible
copying
I was not sympathetic
when I was at Princeton
I was given a Spanish quiz
at a table, a round table
where we sat shoulder to shoulder
and a student across from me
claimed that he saw me
look at the paper next to mine
This is like that Woody Allen joke
about the metaphysics class
where you look into the soul
of the boy sitting next to you
Exactly
Not to rerun my defense
in the great Spanish paper controversy of 1980
but
I remembered having indeed looked
at the paper next to me
to see whether the guy
it was a timed test
to see what page he was on
compared to me
who was not going very quickly
through his test
and anyway
that turned into this brouhaha
I almost had to call my parents
and say
that Princeton education
that expensive thing
that we're all engaged in here
it just fell apart
I knew she wasn't long for this world
and when she resigned this week
she made a statement
that suggested the whole thing
was a racial episode
To jump in
I hadn't really been paying attention
to this whole thing
so I kind of started from that
from her op-ed that came out
in the New York Times this week
and the op-ed's
incredible
it's almost like a list
of every rhetorical technique
that's been dragged out
kind of in this most recent
I hate the word
cancel culture era
when people say
talking about the attacks
that you've faced
the number of times you've been called
the n-word
I've been accused of not fighting
anti-semitism
but then the big one was
she said that what was happening with her
wasn't about her
but it was a skirmish
in a broader war
to unravel public faith
in the pillars of American society
so when you go after me
you're not attacking me
you're trying to undermine the pillars of American society
I almost admired her at that point
it takes balls
to write something like that
and put it in the New York Times
which I assume is probably how she became
president of Harvard to begin with
you have to really have some nerve
to take positions like that
but then I thought well it's possible
that she really was unfairly
rung up on plagiarism charges
as does happen, we have these new plagiarism checkers
that use AI to look for similarities
I'm always
unsympathetic to writers
who are even close
because
a good writer
that's not going to happen to you or me
because it just wouldn't occur to us
to try to downshift to somebody else's
text
but it does happen
and there are people who
maybe they're trying to take something
that's kind of an unremarkable piece of data
and transfer it
and then you have to artificially make it
your own
but she's got example after example
of using other people's language
whole passages full of them
and there's tricks in there to try to defeat
the old Google system
like inserting parentheses
to try to break up
the text and that sort of thing
Matt you just pronounced parentheses
in a way that I've never heard it before
did you mean parentheses?
parentheses
I thought that's what you said
you said parentheses
not to be a stickler
I'm a whisperer
I thought maybe that was the Jersey way
to do it
they had her dead to rights
they had her dead to rights
and what I found amusing
interesting is the apologetics
that have come out since
they've basically suggested
that yeah
she might have been a plagiarist
yeah she copied stuff
but the origins of her persecution
are what we should worry about
the fact that a guy named Christopher Ruffo
and this Bill Ackman
who's been on Harvard's case ever since
over the Gaza thing
are people who shouldn't be allowed
to bring such issues to the floor
that in other words
though she may be guilty
her accusers are guiltier
in some overwhelming cultural
political sense
and therefore
the whole thing
the whole effort to hold her to these standards
was tainted
one of the writers Stephen Voss
even said the work was technically plagiarism
but described it as minor to inconsequential
on the plagiarism scale
on the well-known plagiarism scale
it's like the pain scale at the hospital
where they ask you if your pain is 1-10
you always add 2
you want the pills
but here you always subtract 2
because it's the president of Harvard
the plagiarism scale gets adjusted slightly
depending on what will be lost
if one is convicted of it
in a weird way
one of those hard boundaries
that always worked in the past
is something plagiarism or not
we decide by how many words
are the same in the same order
it seemed to be one of the easiest
how can I put it
one of the easiest infractions to judge
even for the layperson
suddenly has become this foggy
socio-cultural battleground
like everything
and as you said
this is a minor case
according to others
Jonathan Chait
at the New York Magazine
saying three things are true
I saw him say
bullet points
1, 2, 3
it was a political persecution
2, she was guilty
and 3, something something
in Hollywood they have a term
when you're talking to an actor
and you want to criticize them
you call it making a sandwich
you say one thing
I love your hair
2, you're doing a terrible job
3, I love your clothes
Chait kind of made a sandwich
about gay there
only in number 2
was there any actual meat
but I gotta say
I found the whole thing
in the end satisfying
first of all
because my wife went to Harvard
and I'm in a constant battle
I have another family member
who went there
but I don't talk about my children
I'm beset from different sides
on the Harvard question
and I don't have ammo
but I gotta say
to see Americans
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