S2: Bonus Ep 4 – From the Depths of Hell All the Way to Heaven

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I'm Andrea Gunning and this is betrayal bonus episode 4 update on Erin.

I decided to look at his computer and I went into his recently deleted files. And that's where there was just a plethora of pictures. Like Little Miss Country USA, all different ages, all different looks. It was so many people he had collected. I clicked on one and it was this little girl who I'd never seen before, don't recognize at all. Standing naked on a beach, she had a look on her face like, This is not me being cute and playing on the beach. No, it was inappropriate.

What Erin found was the tip of the iceberg. She took her two small, young children and fled. She drove to the airport and flew back to her hometown in California seeking solace and family support. Her mother was deceased, and her two brothers and father did not offer the safe haven she was seeking. After almost three years, her husband was prosecuted.

He pled guilty to 25 felony charges of child pornography. He was sentenced to eight years and he only did three.

One piece of Erin's story that really affected our listeners was how difficult it was to start over. She lost her livelihood and her husband's income. At one point, Erin applied for welfare, then there was her family, although there were many family members who helped and supported her. Her nuclear family did not seem to find Joel's crimes as troubling and serious as she did.

I was blown away. I've not felt that kind of support since my mom was alive. And that was like the whole nation. Counteracting what I had grown up believing with kind of a low self-esteem and second-guessing my every move. I really think that motivated me to go, you know what, I'm really doing my best here. It was really miraculous and I can't tell you how healing this podcast was for me.

Once Erin's ex-husband, Joel, was released from prison in Texas, he moved in with his parents. It was only about a mile from where Erin and her children were living.

When he got out, I got the restraining order and he got awarded visitation with the kids in a supervised facility.

Erin managed to avoid those visits, while other parental litigation was still pending.

Then the lawyer called me and said he just got arrested again. And when we looked it up online, it did mention possession of child pornography, and I still don't know the details of all of that. But it sounds as though he may have had his first parole check the first time in a year, and they found some things on his phone. Like social media, which we've learned, is a common way that people share CSAM material.

Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people. You wouldn't be wrong to call monsters, but if Scooby-doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. I've collected the stories of hundreds of aspiring little hitlers of the suburbs. From the Nazi cop who tried to join ISIS, to the National Guardsman plotting to assassinate the Supreme Court, to the satanist soldier who tried to get his own unit blown up in Turkey, the monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil.

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I felt in control of my own physical body and my own self. I was on birth control, I had sort of had my first sexual experience.

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Joel Lavelle Callahan was arraigned on September 26, 2023, in the Superior Court of Fresno, and assigned a public defender.

He denied the public defender so that he could hire a private criminal law attorney. And he has a private family law attorney. Which has bought him quite a bit of time out in the free world.

Erin has kept moving forward and stayed focused on building a healthy life with her two kids. She's a licensed therapist in California.

My private practice is what I would consider very successful. I'm very comfortable and able to give my children the life that I want without needing child support or relying on that.

Erin moved her family a few hours away to a beach community for a fresh start.

That is just like going from the depths of hell all the way to heaven. I've already seen so much healing happening in myself, which I think trickles down to them as well. They love where we live, they said. It's like being on vacation every day. We have a lot more fresh, grown, local produce here.

Erin lived in fear for a long time. At one point, she felt she needed to be armed.

A year ago, I was walking around with a gun strapped to my person. I had my concealed carry weapons permit and I didn't even want to leave to go to the office without that. And out here also, we live in a very safe area that I feel like we can sleep with the windows open and hear the ocean outside.

Her son has become a top runner in his school. Her daughter just won an award for writing. They are thriving. Still, heartbreak sneaks up every once in a while, especially around the holidays.

Thanksgiving just passed by. My brother hosted Joel and his family for Thanksgiving, whereas we were in a town with no familiar faces and no one familiar to celebrate that with. And that's just like, you just continue to keep stabbing me in the heart.

Erin does not want Joel to have rights to the kids at all. Her fight in court is for him to be removed as a parent.

I'm prepared to fire on all cylinders, but I hope for my sanity that I don't have to keep. Proving why he shouldn't have visitations more than he's trying to prove why he should. I genuinely think I'm probably still doing more to help Joel than anybody else is. How much of a privilege is it to say I've got our kids? I will take great care of them. While you take the time to figure your life out or clean your life up, or whatever you got to do, I can't make our kids not love him.

How do you measure recovery for someone who consumes CSAM? Do services provided in prison cure the addiction? It's something we talked about during the series, and there isn't a clear answer.

His whole case was precipitating on the fact that they thought he was reformed, and clearly he's not reformed. And I think it's a lot of people who don't work in mental health that don't know what is required to treat addiction or treat this type of abusive behavior. Maybe they do think church is enough, maybe they do think that court consequences are enough. But I know through direct experience, having worked with people with similar attributes, that that is not enough.

It was really good to find out how Aaron has been doing. Since Betrayal Season 2 first dropped. We'll be back soon with an update on Ashley Litton. You can always reach out to our team at BetrayalPod at Gmail.com. that's BetrayalPod at gmail.com. Thank you for listening.

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Hi, I'm Molly Conger, host of Weird Little Guys, a new podcast from Cool Zone Media on iHeart Radio. I've spent almost a decade researching right-wing extremism, digging into the lives of people. You wouldn't be wrong to call monsters, but if Scooby-doo taught us one thing, it's that there's a guy under that monster mask. The monsters in our political closets aren't some unfathomable evil.

Señora Sex Ed is not your mommy's sex talk. This show is La Platica, like you've never heard it before. We're breaking the stigma and silence around sex and sexuality in Latinx communities.

This podcast is an intergenerational conversation between Latinas from Gen X to Gen Z.

We're your hosts, Viosa and Mala. you might recognize us from our first show, Locatora Radio. Listen to Señora Sex Ed on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey guys, it's Andrea Gunning. Betrayal is now releasing episodes every single week about the people we trust the most and the deceptions that change everything. Now, you can get access to Betrayal weekly, 100 ad-free and one week early. With an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription available exclusively on Apple Podcasts Plus, you'll get access to other chart-topping true crime shows. You love, like There and Gone, South Street, Creating a con, the story of Bitcon, Paper Ghosts, Unrestorable, The Girlfriends and more.