2023-03-01 00:50:03
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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, we call her daddy.
RENEE RaPp Welcome to call her daddy. Thanks man. I am so happy to have you here. Every fucking other DM on Instagram is like, Please have Renee on, Please have Renee on. I'm like, I know I want to have her on.
Everyone come down, it's going to fucking happen. So I'm so happy that we're giving the people what they want today. Always, let's update the people on how you're feeling.
You're a little.
Hungover Yeah, what did you do last night? Well, I went, so there was a Spotify party last night because it's Grammy Week, I was supposed to go to that.
Well, good thing you're seeing me today, not last night. Because sometimes most of the time when I get drunk or sober, we like me and my friends always like, get in fights and stuff, not with each other.
With other people. Oh, okay. Note to self Don't run into Renee when I'm drunk. No, genuinely.
Don't actually, because also it's not a good representation of who I am, so you are like the.
Moment Right now, I feel like everyone is fucking talking about you, you're everywhere. I was just telling you before, I'm scrolling on TikTok and every other fucking scroll is you.
And I told you, I'm like, thank fucking God, it's you though, because I actually like you. When you have that one person on your algorithm, you're like, Get the fuck off my page, bro, you're like, please leave me alone. But actually, how does it feel to be where you're at in your career, right?
Now I feel like it feels like equal parts exciting and equal parts scary, and also like the biggest part of it is like, I just like, I talked so much shit my whole life about doing this, so like, thank fucking God, I'm finally doing it. Because I think like it would have been like, really embarrassing if it didn't work out.
You were saying like you would tell everyone.
Like, Oh, I'm going to fucking make it, I'm going to be a singer or an actress or bro.
I literally, like, when I was in fifth grade, I told my parents, I was like, I'm not going to college, I'm going to be Beyonce. Where did you get that confidence? Do you think? I have no idea? It's like delusion.
It's all delusion, I genuinely don't fucking know you, just like.
Always knew you were meant to be a performer and you loved it 100. I always, only ever wanted to.
Do music like? That was just like it. I was just like I was like writing songs before. I could, like, talk like, there's like videos of me like naked while I was a child. Nah, nah, nah.
There's like, videos of me like, Nah, you're not creepily, but like as like a child, like in like a diaper with harmonica. Like making like, what would be like a song and shit like that, and then like writing things.
Okay.
So you grew up in Charlotte? Yeah, which when I was like, getting prepared for this interview, I was like, why did I think? You're like a city girl? Like you come off as like, born and raised in New York? And then you do give, like, I don't know, maybe you just like, give that energy.
And.
So I was like, Wow, you're from the south. I lie a lot and say that I'm from Charlotte. I'm like, technically from outside of Charlotte in like a town called Huntersville, which is just like, Hick. What was your high school experience like?
The high school was wild for me because my first two years in high school, I went to, like, a normal high school, and then I transferred to an art school. Because it's a very like, long winded thing. But being that I wanted to be Beyonce and I didn't want to go to college, yeah, I had to. And my parents were like, my dad was like kicking me out of the house.
He was like, What the fuck are you doing? You don't think you're going to go to college? I was like, bet that I'm going to show you. And so, high school is weird because I was in a regular high school for the first two years and I absolutely hated myself.
And it just sucked. Why did you hate yourself? I like, I was such an overly emotional kid always and I still am like a very like, hyper emotional person. And I just like, I think like, I come off very hard, at least I thought I used to.
And I am so sensitive and so I think like the like duality of me, like coming across kind of hard, and like confident, and like cool, and like very chill. And then like, actually, everything fucking hurting me, like, beyond belief, was nauseating. And I also had horrible friends, like horrible friends, and I had really horrible friends when I was a kid.
And so it was just like years of like me, like despising who I was emotionally, my friends and my friends mothers despising who I was. Period. End of that sentence. And it was just, it was just crazy. But then when I switched to Arts High School, I kind of started, just like doing my own thing.
And I mean, it was still actually like trash. And like the friends moms hating me, like, got like 10 times worse. Wait, why are these moms hating you? Yeah, let me fucking tell you so, so the theater mommies didn't like me.
They did not fuck with me, they created a group chat about me. I was told through my friends that there was this group chat that was basically them. Like, shitting on the like high school musical casting process and shitting on the fact that I had Da da, da da, whatever. And I was like, Okay, so grown people are also stupid, because I was like, I was like, you're 40 plus year old women hating on a teenager, right? For your kids sake, that's embarrassing.
I can actually relate.
A lot to you saying like you almost have this like really hard exterior, but inside you're super sensitive. But I'm assuming you're. Like, in those situations like high school, it can be off putting to some kids of like, why is she so cocky and confident? And all this? Where it's like, I'm, I'm having to at times fake it, so I believe in myself, absolutely.
But it can be off putting to other people. So socially, you're like, I'm just trying to fucking be beyonce over here, okay, and trying to get out of Charlotte. Thank you for seeing me.
Yeah, but I get where, like in those like high school environments, it can be like, very like, Well, she's the fucking bitch, or she's this and she's that. When it's really like, Well, why do you think Renee is acting this way? Like, maybe she's feeling whatever it was like, totally.
Well, and also like to be clear like I don't.
Think it absolves me from ever being a bitch? Because, like, I can remember 1000s of times in like school growing up that I was a total bitch. Yeah, completely, which I think like, and maybe not everybody feels this way, maybe I really am just a bitch. But like, I like, can remember, like, so many things from my childhood that I'm like, holy shit, I cannot believe I fucking did that.
Or, oh, my God, I can't believe. I said that if you had to try to get underneath it, like, why do you think you have that like anger in you?
I have anger issues of a mood disorder, like I just like I have like my different little like mental health things. Yeah, um, but I think like now I understand it so much better, right?
Um, because I just, I'm so emotional, yeah, I'm just really, really, really super sensitive.
When you said, like, you would lie about being from Charlotte, why would you lie about that?
I like resented, like being from like, like South so much. And also like where I grew up in Charlotte, or hello, where I grew up in Huntersville. Is like, super like ass backwards and like, very conservative at least. It was when I was a kid and so like, I just felt like, very, I was like, I just really do not fit here.
I was like, I do not fit here, like I felt like everybody was like super, like fucked and like homophobic and like, just like, not fun and great, and it was just.
It just like, sucked, which I feel like then, like, again, makes sense of like that recipe for like. You pushing against the grain of what everyone else was doing. Feeling like you weren't meant to be there career wise. And also with your sexuality being from the South and having, like, you're saying, everyone being like, homophobic.
When did you start to like, explore your sexuality?
Um, when I was, when I was 14, I, like, was doing a musical. And this girl who was the lead of musical like, just looked super like. I don't know, she was just like different, like she just. She had like red like spiky hair and like, she never wore a bra and like, that was so nice to me.
That was nice, I was like, that's good, she's different, you know? Because, like, growing up in fucking Huntersville, like, it was just like, I was like, damn, but yeah, she was just like, so cute to me, and she was much older than me. And she carried herself with just like the most like, amazing demeanor ever of. Like, I felt like she was just like, super, like, fuck it, like, whatever.
And I was just like obsessed with her, and I figured out one day I went home because I genuinely. And this is like, I don't know if this is a bad thing or if it's not. But honestly, I was just like, so intrigued by her and like, she never wore a bra, which was amazing.
But I was like, I can't, I cannot, I cannot stop looking at this. Girl's like, like, like. That was the moment that I was like, Oh, okay. And I went home and I started full blown crying, had a meltdown. I was like, Oh, my god, I'm gay. I was like, damn it, I was like, That's crazy.
Because, like, I had never heard anything surrounding that in a positive light. Because the one like, queer person that I knew in my life is a family member of mine who I really looked up to, who got absolutely shitted on by everybody in our family. And so all I ever heard was like, Oh, like, and she was bisexual at the time. They were like, Oh, she needs to pick a side and like, Oh well, she's, you know, she just she's, whatever, whatever. You shouldn't be around her kind of thing like you never know who's gonna like, make you gay, genuinely.
And so I had a full blown panic attack and I was laying in my bed and I was screaming, crying. Which is hilarious in hindsight, because, like, imagine, like, 14 year old me, like, screaming, crying. I'm gay, you know? I was like, Oh my God, and also I was like, Well, gotta pick a side, have to be a lesbian. So I decided that I would call my friend at the time.
And I was like, Hey, I just want to let you know.
I'm gay, I'm a lesbian. And she was like, Oh, okay, cool, and I was like, Yeah, and I'm like, fighting through tears.
But I was like, I just like, hated everything about that as a kid. And so she was like, Okay, so do you think you like, don't like boys at all? And I was like, No, no, no, no, I still do. I still do, but I'm I'm a lesbian, though.
I'm a lesbian. And she was like, I don't, I don't know about that, and I was like, Nah, man, like, gotta be one, gotta pick a side, gotta do it.
So I was like, I'm a lesbian, She was like, I think you're bisexual, I was like, you're kidding, and that was so intriguing.
To me, and then, yeah, that's so interesting, too, because I bet so many people watching and listening are like, Oh my God, I had a such a similar experience like this was my sexual awakening. And then all of a sudden I remember being in my room and like, trying to figure out how I'm going to handle this. Because people around me in my life do not at all, like, accept anything other than a heterosexual relationship.
How did you tell your parents and how did they react?
So I think like for for a really long time. I thought that I just like, never like, officially had like a coming out thing. Because I, I would always say, I was like, I just like, never really came out. Because I just felt so incredibly accepted and like, and I'm fine. And I actually think now after like, doing like so much work in therapy and also just like growing up and living, you know, away from home and whatever.
I was just like, laughed at every time I tried to come out, like I was just laughed at. So then I, like, never really talked about it. And I had always just said, I was like, I just was one of those people that never felt like they really had to come out. And to be honest, like, I feel like my genuine like, coming out to my family. Close and extended has been doing college girls. Because now that part of me is like, on display in a very palatable way.
Which I think is also like, kind of fucked up in a way that I'm like, yeah, like, now I'm like on a TV show and I'm like, very publicly. Like, out and accepted as a bisexual woman and on the show, like as a gay woman and a lesbian woman. Now, like, it's like, really cool for everybody. And I was like, Yeah, oh my god, amazing. I did not have that same support as a kid.
And so I resent it in a lot of ways. It's it's still really, really hard. Because I never, like fully will believe that somebody who like treated me like that as a kid is now really accepting of it. I'm like, you just like it now because it's like comfortable for you and it's like something exciting that you can like romanticize around. My life now if you have.
Like, a little bit of hindsight, like, how do you think that affected how you, like, viewed yourself?
Worth like, like, horribly, horribly, like. The first year doing college girls was terrible. it was terrible. yeah, it sucked so bad.
Because at the time, I was in a heteronormative relationship relationship.
And I like, hated going to work because I was like. I was like, I don't think I'm like, good enough to be here. I don't think like I can be here, I don't think I can be doing this. And I was like, I was like, maybe I'm just like trying too hard, and then I would like come home and I would psych myself out, literally.
And I will never forget like, I like sat on my like front porch. And I called one of my friends. And I was like, I was like, I am straight, I was like, I think I'm just straight, I can't do this.
I can't do this. And they were like, What the fuck is going on with you? and I was like, I don't know, I don't know, but I can't.
And I was just like in a panic constantly.
And I wasn't. But I was so freaked out by the idea of, like, my sexuality not being like, finite. Or people laughing at me, or, like me, laughing at myself that I hated first.
Year of filming, how did you decide to take on a character that plays a lesbian? I was just so.
Thanks, that was the cutest thing ever. Um, I was just so excited when I got the audition too. Because like, I felt like that was again, like part of me that I'd like. Only like my friends really, like, knew about, like. I was then like, a lot more comfortable with it as I got older. But like, I remember, like, getting that audition breakdown and being so excited. Because I'd also never been like, submitted to audition for like, a queer character. And I was like, I was like, it was so exciting.
And so then like, doing the job, being such a mindfuck with like, so scary because also like, you know, I'm like, on a show that like.
There are a lot of men around, there are a lot of men around, there are a lot of gay men around, there are a lot of straight men around. There are a lot of older men around me on set, right? So I'm going through set, doing these scenes. And I'm also having gay men come up to me and be like, So like, are you like, really gay? Like you just play? And I was like, Oh, and I know that sounds like such a little like frou-frou thing. And I also understand there's like an immense level of like difference. When it comes to like people who are bisexual specifically, also like, I'm a cis white woman who is bisexual, right?
Like, that's also loaded in itself, and I understand that it's still really like, fucking pissed me off and it made me just like second guess everything about myself. And so I felt like I was to no one else's real fault, except for, like my like formative childhood years and myself, I was beating myself up so much.
It's like a mindfuck for you probably to be playing a character that's struggling coming out while you're also still struggling with your sexuality. And then people are like.
Wait, are you actually fucking gay? It was like, so crazy. wow, it was so crazy, and and.
I also just like the biggest part of it was like, I really, like, I wanted so badly to do a good job. Like, not even really as an actor. Like, yeah, that was like a part of it, but I was just like, whatever.
I was like, if I'm not good at acting, they'll just fire me and that'll be easier. But like, I wanted to play the role in a way that, like, if I saw it as a kid, it would like feel good to me. And so I also like, wanted to do a good job. So bad that I was just like so nervous all the time, and yeah, it was like it was like so much the first season.
What is your relationship now with your parents? It's like, great now. I think like, I think it's wild because like, I just turned 23. So I'm even like, discovering like, so much about my relationship with my family now.
My dad is my best friend in the whole wide world and it's so interesting. Because we, like, would go at it growing up, like, go at it and like, I was a fucking madhouse as a kid, like, I was a monster. And also I was told that I was like, to be clear, like my family, extended family, friends, like referred to me as like a ticking time bomb like that doesn't feel great.
As a kid, it really doesn't. And also to be like the like girl child in the family, and to be like, told, like, you're constantly so dramatic and so emotional. And to actually, on the surface of all of that, like, have a massive anxiety disorder, was really crazy. But, as I like to say, very close to my parents now and getting out of the house, like, changed a lot of it.
Because when I did the whole like theater thing, right, like, go to the art school. Try to win this, try to win this, and then try to get a job working in New York. And then very luckily, like, Did that's not Wood? But okay? And I'm like, I started working in Mean Girls on Broadway and I was really, really sick, had a horrible eating disorder, and I was laying in my bed in New York.
And I remember facetiming my parents and I was like, I cannot go to work, I can't, I can't, I can't do it. Like, I can't go to that place, like I physically cannot be there.
This is scaring the shit out of me, like, I can't do that. I can't put on those costumes, not after everything that's happened, not after changing my costumes, not after this whole thing.
Like, that was not my decision. I can't, I can't be there, I'm a kid, I'm a fucking kid.
My parents change their attitude from you're so dramatic to, oh, holy shit, like there are things that are happening to you.
Publicly, and you don't have control over them. We are flying to New York and we're gonna come.
And get you, wow, yeah, I was gonna say like to everyone that doesn't know the full like. The timeline of your career is like, after high school, you moved to New York City and you get the role as Regina George in Broadway. Yeah, did you get an eating disorder?
While on Broadway, I had an.
Eating disorder starting, I like, now know, when I was 10, it started. I was like, I danced competitively my whole life and it was really like a mindfuck on me and it was bad. And then it like, changed when I got into mean girls because it went from like a binge eating disorder to like, I'm not eating at all.
And it was, it was. It was really tough when you said, they like, changed your costumes, like, what do you mean?
My costumes were changed and it was not my decision like.
Changes in like sizing or like the actual outfit outfit that I was wearing, so I was in the show.
And I was just like, more curvy than like the other girl who had done it and other girls who had been in the role. And I was like, there was a there was an outfit in the beginning or no, somewhere like through the thing. That was like a corset, it's like a Halloween thing. It was like a corset. And like fishnets. And like, no pants, obviously, because it's like a corset. And it's like a little bit of that, right?
So I'm already, like, wildly insecure and like, super uncomfortable. And then certain people came to see the show who I don't know or work with anymore. And then, like, all of a sudden, I like, got a call from somebody who worked on the show that was like, Hey, by the way, I just want to let you know we're sending you into these fittings.
And we're just going to, like, change some costumes. I'm really sorry and I was like, really sorry, I was like, What do you mean? and they're like, Yeah, I know.
It's just like, you know, if it's nothing that makes you comfortable, then, like, totally, just like, tell us. And like, we can just like, go back to the old ones. But like, we're going to send you into this fitting. And so I was really confused. And so I remember calling my mom and being like, why did I just get called that? Like, I'm going into another thing.
I was like, this is kind of weird, and she was like, No, I think it's fine, and I was like, OK, so I go into the fitting. And I saw that like they were putting like a skirt over my corset and stuff. And I knew when I got in there, I was like, Oh, I know what this is for, I was like, I know exactly what this is.
And because I could tell, by the demeanor of the costumers and the people, they're like, we're so sorry. And I was like, I was like, 19 years old, and I was like, Oh, mind you, at the time, I'm already in the show and getting like, horrific messages from people online. That's like, we didn't even want to be at the show because we saw that. You're like, asses hanging out and da da, da, da, da da, mind you? I'm like, then I'm going into interviews as a teenager. And like, the constant thing that everyone is asking me is like, how does it feel being like a curvy woman playing a role? And da da, da da.
I'm like, a, I'm a teenager. B This is also wildly loaded conversation. Because now you're going to say that I am a bigger person, then you're also in a weird way. Taking up space for people who are actually like, bigger bodied than mine. That should actually have the nature for that conversation in the space, but it was.
It was just like a very fucked up sort of time in my life. So I changed my costumes and I went in to go do my like put in rehearsal for the show and I was the only one in a costume. And I, like, turned around and the whole cast was amazing, like everybody, like, turned around and looked at me. And I could see immediately, on everybody's face that everybody in that fucking building had known what happened. And I wanted to die because they were like, Oh, holy shit.
And I was, like, mortified, how the fuck did you get through that moment? To be honest, everybody around me lied to me and said that it wasn't a problem. And it was a thing where they just wanted to highlight my body, and so it was like, also nauseating, but also like.
The weird thing was I, and not weird. But I didn't talk to anybody about it because I know where this whole thing came from and it did not come from. Like Tina or Lauren, or anybody who I love, who works on that show and who I'm about to work with again. Like, it came from nobody who I respected and loved. And so it was really difficult because I was also then, like, really battling. Like being very sick and having to pull out of the show all the time. Because I wasn't eating at all during the day.
So I would get on stage and I would like be like shaking and like, about to pass out. And people would be like, Oh, she's having an anxiety attack, let's pull her out for the show. Mind you, I haven't eaten in like 24 hours. It was horrible. So, yeah, I remember like people who were close to me in my life were just like, I think it's just like a thing where they want to, like, you know? Highlight your curve.
And I was like, you think I was like, I'm pretty sure that, like a grown ass man, just like, told me that like.
I'm not a size to be wearing this on a stage, but yeah.
Right, you're like, I'm not a fucking idiot, don't insult me, like you're already insulting me when you were living in New York during that time, like.
Did you have friends in New York, like, what was your social life like?
Yeah, I had, I had friends.
I had friends, but my life, like, really just revolved around work.
And just, you know, really revolved around, like being really sick, like, sadly, like I just would wake up and like, try to not eat all day and then go to work and then like, drink and go home.
At what point did you start to feel like you were recovering, or like getting closer to accepting your body and like eating healthier?
Like four months ago, and also like never, it's a really like, it's a really like, tough, like, loaded sort of conversation. Because it changed a lot, because I would think that I was getting better, but actually I would be getting worse. But in my brain, I was like, and this is a fucked up way of thinking. But my brain was going, Oh, you're able to eat less.
Oh, you must be like, doing better, because I associated that with good, so it was really, really hard.
Yeah, so I feel like a couple months ago, but then again, like also like never.
Yeah, like, how does it? because I'm assuming like it does it negatively affect you? That? Like, you have to watch yourself on screen and like, watch yourself like in videos, or like, is that okay? like, does that trigger you?
I think so, I think, I think it negatively affects me. I think what more so negatively, negatively affects me are comments, not comments online. Like comments I receive on set. Those comments I don't like, and I don't mean that these are like malicious people coming for me.
I mean, that these are things that I've actually probably said to people in the last five years that I can't believe I've actually said that. Like, I had somebody say to me that like this, really, like, sent me into a fucking spiral.
Again, they were not trying to be malicious. But I was like, I was like, Hey, can I please get out of this costume? Like, I don't feel like I can do my best work in this. Can I just like, have some pants or something? I'm really afraid today.
And I had already been super transparent about, like, I was like, Hey, I love you, I respect you so much. I'm really struggling, so if I ever need to change something, please know it has nothing to do with your work.
And it's everything internally for me. I just want to be really transparent about that because it'd be unfair if I didn't, yeah.
And they're just be like, Oh my god. But that like, looks so slimming on you, not like, makes you look so slim. And I'd be on set and I'd be like.
Oh, my God. And I know that they were not trying to be malicious. Which is the hard part, right? Because I'm like, I in this moment would love to literally slap the shit out of you, but I understand where you're coming from.
Because I guarantee I've said that to someone before.
Right, you're just like, Can you everyone stop fixating on my body? because I do it enough myself? Yeah, so please shut the fuck up.
Yes, with regard to your music career, a lot of your music is about heartbreak, falling in love, getting hurt. What is like the biggest heartbreak you've?
Ever experienced?
The biggest heartbreak that I've ever experienced is. I was like, I was in a relationship and I was like, very much in love with someone. And I was really invested, and I was really also invested in myself. And that made someone in their family very uncomfortable. That I was super into my career and that I didn't think my career should make anybody feel bad, and so the fucked up part is.
I started hiding my successes from my partner and their family because I knew that. If they found out, they were not going to be happy with me. And they were going to be like, what'd she get? I've literally gotten that comment. And so that was the biggest heartbreak because I was like, damn, like, I really made myself that much smaller for that long of a time to make a man comfortable.
I was like, Am I the antithesis of everything that I would teach my daughter or my child? I was like?
Holy shit, it was crazy. It's so crazy because I relate to that so heavily and I think we're two pretty strong women sitting here and I can relate to that.
When you're in it, and when you're trying to be successful, you have to full heartedly believe in yourself, like we said, even if it's delusional. And when you're in a relationship with someone that's trying to make you feel less than, or make you feel shame for the good shit you're doing. You either hide it, or you essentially kind of pull back on your career to try to make this person happy. But it's like, Wait, what the fuck am I doing? I had the same exact situation where I was like. I couldn't talk to him about the good things that was happening because it was like, he's threatened, he's jealous, he's insecure.
And then you don't, almost you feel it, but you're trying to hold on to it. And like, micromanage, like, how can I make this fit? And then when you're out, you're like, what the fuck was I doing well? And then the second I was out?
Like, my entire life changed, like the first because also like, mind you, this breakup I like was I hurt absolutely, but like this happened like in the weirdest way and so like I literally laughed, like, genuinely, like, I remember. They're like, like, I just like, I just don't know.
And I literally went, I went. I was like, Okay, and I hung up the phone bye and I called my manager. I was like, I just want you to know this is going to be the greatest, motherfucking year of my life.
And he was like, What just happened? I was like, Oh, I just, you know, we broke up, but I was like, I feel it like in my fingers. I don't know how to explain this.
But like my entire life, it now makes sense to me and my manager. Adam was like, Are you? are you good? and I was like, Honestly, no. I was like, I'm actually not okay at all, but I've never felt better to be myself.
Yeah, in my life, and it actually was like, very real of, like the second, that I did not have to make someone comfortable. And like, stay at whatever level of success, or not even success like, at whatever level of like, hardworking, whatever like woman like. Felt like to them and felt like to their family. My entire fucking career changed, and that's why this last year has been insane. Because I was like, I'm gonna do what I've always wanted to do. And what I did not allow myself to do around you, and what you did not allow me to do around you, and what your father didn't allow me to do around you.
And I will do it incredibly well, and I will look hot as fuck, and you will exist somewhere. Misogyny is a motherfucker, because even it's so what is such a mindfuck is? I'm so incredibly like, Oh my God. I would go through that entire experience 10 times over again, and that heartbreak 10 times over again, and that abandonment 20 times over again. To be where I am right now, I don't give a fuck, like, Are you kidding me?
I was like, if I, if you told me, go through that again and then you will be a egot, hello. I'm going through it twice with two different people at the same time. Break up with me, leave me, let's do it.
Let's do it, run it up, let's do it again, but. But misogyny is such a mindfuck in and of the fact that I can say that right now. Yet I still somewhere in the back of my mind can be like, Are you like stepping out of line?
Like, even as, even as I'm saying that, right, which is crazy.
Do some of your exes know that certain songs are about them? I, to be honest, I think I have the.
Kind of exes that I think they probably think every song is about them. And I'm like, Girl, actually, nothing is about you. Funny enough. I'm like, you're not even on the album, you're not even a thought in the project. I just feel like I have that kind.
Maybe I don't, but do you ever?
Worry, though, like, fuck, maybe I shouldn't put that in because they could think it's about them.
So, yes, I've started to get out of it recently, though. Like, I think like, I think like, obviously like internet culture, right? Accessibility is through the roof and is crazy and is amazing in a lot of ways.
But I always just try to think, like.
Would Beyonce have taken it out if it came out in 2002?
And like, the answer is like, Um, Beyonce would not have. No, I'm not going to exactly Becky with the good hair.
I've only, I've only learned from her. Are you single now? Um, I am, I am very happy and I am seeing somebody that makes me, like, really happy.
And I feel like, very appreciated. And I don't feel like I've been made to feel small or like I need to make myself smaller to make them comfortable. Dude, that's great, I'm happy for you. Do you have a type?
Um, yeah, so like, I've dated so many people in the same fucking font, like if you went through like, the roster for 2021, like, let me fucking tell you. The people, the boys, the girls, like, they all absolutely were from the same mother and father, like, it is crazy, they're all siblings.
And they are like, I could. I will show you like, where, where's my phone? I have my phone, I need that.
Okay.
They're all from the same mother and father. I love you, this is one person.
Which also this is terrific, oh my God.
This is one person.
We what? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, but this is one person, right? We and his new girl looks like you.
Hello, okay, we. And then this one looks like him.
Looks like him. And then-.
They're brothers, basically. Well, they love.
Then currently, well, currently that also looks like them.
I fucking knew something was happening. The minute you walked in the fucking door, I was like, Are you fucking friends or are you fucking?
What is happening? And I didn't want to say something.
No, no, no, I appreciate that. Oh my God. no, I appreciate that. Okay, wait, this makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, no, everybody, everybody looks alike. There was, like, very pretty.
Very pretty.
But I did have, like I did have a phase also where I was only dating blonde women like you, and I absolutely would have kissed like 100%.
Wait, because that's like your character on Sex live.
Yes, we still can.
We can. It's a whole thing the internet's like, do it while your partner's like, in the fucking room.
Do it, no, but yeah. But it's like I did have a phase where it was all people that looked like me.
Why do you think that?
I'm subliminally a method actor. I never thought I would be one of those girls, but I really am anything she's going through, I'm going through. I didn't have chlamydia, I did.
Oh rip.
How has been managing fame? And like friendships and relationships like, how are you dealing with it?
The coolest thing is that, like, I just felt so embarrassed for being so sensitive and so emotional as a kid. And now that is literally my job is to talk about how emotional and sensitive I am. And though that is sometimes scary and I still get in my head about it, believe it or fucking not.
I now have like a community of people around me that actually like, celebrate that part of me. Which is very different from how I was viewed as a kid. Because I was always made fun of, or called a ticking time bomb for that. And so, in a weird way, fame has helped me. Uh, I guess what a fucking L..A. sentence of me to say, but it is true.
Like, it really has, and I feel very like, supported, and I also feel very like.
Okay, is it weird, though, like, how much attention you're getting? is it not faze you at all?
Um, I've always loved to make shit about myself, so like, I'm actually cool with it. Like, so a family member of mine would die. And that was like a performance opportunity.
For me, like, I can sing at the.
Funeral. And I did. I was seven and I sang Amazing Grace going into the ground, amazing.
GRACe Yeah, may she rest in peace.
Do you ever get nervous that people are gonna group you into the character that you play on sex lives and not focus on who you are individually from?
That character, I lie awake at night, I lie awake at night. I worried about this before I even existed, like, I think about this shit all the time.
Like, I actually so like for mean girls, like, um, Broadway mean girls, not movie mean girls. I almost did not take that job, like I said no to that job a couple times, because I was so scared. I was like, I don't want to be an actor. Um, I also just to be like, super blunt was like, I'm not a good actor. At the time, I was like, I'm a terrible actor.
Like, I'm good at, like, singing, but um, yeah, I'm always scared of that. I'm always, I think about it constantly. Every conversation that I have is surrounding like, does this put me in too much of this way? Because I have to be seen as this?
Because when I'm not seen as this, and I'm not seen as a musician, I have a fucking panic.
Attack How are you different than your character? Layton on sex lives of college girls, So personally.
Like, I think I have pretty sick style, I think Layton has terrible style. Somebody said that, Um, what was it? Oh, somebody one time said to me in an interview, and I've never been so moved by a comment ever. They were like, Layton looks like if Nancy Reagan was a lesbian.
And I was like, Bro, I was like, that is the most accurate shit I've ever heard. Because, by the way, let me be so clear, that would not be a good thing. So we're very different in that way.
I fucking hope, um, yeah, if you ever see me wearing something that you think will be in her closet, come and punch me square.
In the fucking nuts, wait, there's a lot of like, blazers and like.
Turtlenecks.
A mock if that, a mock neck, a mock neck if that, and not in a hot way. I Yeah, it's just not my personal style, it's just not my personal style.
Which also I've heard time and time again. Okay, Renee, but you're an actor on a show like, that's kind of the whole point is like, playing another character. I'm like, Yeah, this is why I was not supposed to be an actor, right? I'm like, this isn't. I was not supposed to do this.
Do you enjoy the show, though? Yeah, yeah.
I enjoy acting, I enjoy playing Leighton, I enjoy like having that, I enjoy like getting to be with Aaliyah, who is my best friend on set every single day. Like, imagine like you have to go to work and you're on set for as many as, like, 18 hours. And you have to be with your best friend. And so if anything goes wrong, your best friend is there with you because you're in the same situation.
That is a godsend. That is fucking great. I do have to wear those tweed sets though, okay, love.
The show But I fucking love your music. Thanks dude. Congrats on the release of your new album, Everything to Everyone Deluxe Edition, which is out now. Everybody go listen. What is your favorite song on the album and why?
My favorite.
Song is in the kitchen.
Me too, Yeah, thanks.
Man, thanks. My favorite song is In the kitchen, so I started the song in February of 2021. And I was in my house and I was just like at my piano and I started just like playing. And I was like, basically, I was just like getting told a lot that like, I wasn't writing deep enough. And I'm sure you've seen, I'm quite feisty, so I was like, Ha ha ha ha, yeah, so let me fucking go there then.
Like, you want it.
Here, another one of my favorite songs is, Too well, thanks, and I was just wondering, Are you down to perform?
Today, I would be incredibly happy to perform Today, Let's Do it. This is, for the record, our first time ever playing this song. Yeah.
Tell me when I am allowed to begin speaking, you begin whenever you want to begin. Okay, hey daddy, so here's the thing.
We'll do too well for you, yep, only for you.
Yeah, let's too well, let's run it up.
Go girl.
The day I woke up in a good mood for once, the first time in six months. I don't hate you as much. You weren't there. In my dreams. I could finally sleep. It felt good, but it sucks.
I don't hate you as much. It's easier holding a grudge. I'd rather be angry than crushed. I'm doing too much.
I'm back where I started again, crying and calling my friends, This shit never ends, I.
Get so sick of myself, can't stop overthinking. I heard you're happy somewhere else.
But I don't forget too well.
I get so sick of myself, can't stop reminiscing.
I heard you're happy somewhere else, but I don't forget too well.
I still see your face. I hate hearing your name. What a wreck. What a shame I'm replaying that day. You called me at eight, two weeks on a break, just to ask for more space. You're my biggest mistake.
It's easier holding a grudge. I'd rather be angry than crushed. I'm doing too much. I'm back where I started again, crying and calling my friends. This shit never ends, I.
Get so sick of myself, can't stop overthinking. I heard you're happy somewhere else.
But I don't forget too well.
I get so sick of myself, can't stop reminiscing.
I heard you're happy somewhere else, but I don't forget too. Well, I get so sick of myself, can't stop overthinking. I heard you're happy somewhere else. But I'm with Alex Cooper on call, her daddy, and I don't give a fuck where the fuck you are, motherfucker.
This is amazing. Yeah, okay, okay, fine. Are we ready, right? I'm good.
Whenever you guys are ready.
Okay, this is bruises. I don't know if you even know why this song is written, and I will reveal myself right now, please, so bruises. Obviously I will do it. But it's a very sentimental song about feeling like all my friends make fun of me. The origin story of Bruises, Babe, I'm so sorry.
The origin story of bruises is because I was seeing this girl and I was staying in my friend Thomas's apartment in New York. And I basically said to Thomas. I was like, Guess what I did? and he was like, what? And I was like, I fucked her on your couch. But I thought you got to understand that I didn't go to college, so I thought I was like, Oh, this is going to be like a bonding moment.
Like, you know if, like your friends are like in college. Like, if my friend came to me and was like, I like, had sex with this person on your couch? I'd be like, tell me how it went that it wasn't received that way, which I now get in hindsight, like, that's super weird, but I just, I don't know. I was like, I hadn't seen a girl in a while either, and so I was just so excited.
I was like, Ah, I was like, this is so cute, and they didn't think that was like, funny or cute. And I get that, I really do get it. And so I wrote Bruises.
I know.
No, no, no. So they were making fun of me that night. And they were like, Renee apologize to Thomas. And I was like, guys, I was like, apologize for what? And they're like for having sex on his couch. And then saying it in like a confident manner. And I was like, You guys are so mean to me.
And I was like, Oh, my friends, just, they just make so much fun of me and that's why I wrote Bruises.
Like that.
Six different moods at a time. I'm happier than losing my mind. Quick transition to crazy, isn't that fair? I've got acetone for veins.
I'm so sensitive, one touch and I feel pain.
All my friends make sweet fun of me.
I guess it's funny, but the truth's, I bruise easily, and sure, I'm down to be the joke. Metaphorically, though, you could flip me inside out and they would show black, purple and green. Yeah, I bruise easily. I've spent 365 days and 52 weeks in my brain going over the same thing that girl said when we was in fourth grade.
I take everything personally, I've always hated that about me. I've tried to be cool and chill, but it's not fair. I've got acetone for veins, I'm so sensitive.
Just one touch and I feel pain.
All my friends make sweet fun of me.
I guess it's funny, but the truth's, I bruise easily, and sure, I'm down to be the joke. Metaphorically, though, you could flip me inside out and they would show black, purple and green. Yeah, I bruise easily.
I bruise, I bruise easily. Black, purple and green. you hurt me. I bruise. I bruise easily. Please don't fucking swing.
It hurts me.
My friends make sweet fun of me.
But the truth's, I bruise easily, and sure, I'm down to be the joke. Metaphorically, though, you could flip me inside out and they would show black, purple and green. Yeah, I bruise easily.
Fuck, yes, Renee, what the fuck, thanks.
Dude, you are so fucking talented. I cannot thank you enough for coming on call her daddy. The world is gonna lose their shit, but I was the first one to lose my shit because it's an honor to have you on the show.
This is the most fun thing I've done in 25 years and I'm 23.
Don't stop.
I love you, thank you.
Thank you, Princess, thank you.
Thank you.
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