Episode 507: A Conversation With Rachel Stavis, A Real Life Exorcist
2023-10-30 01:40:56
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And I'm Rachel.
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Guys, we have Rachel Stavis on the show today, Rachel is a this is a long list. A world-renowned exorcist, she has written multiple books, created the backstory for Lara Croft Tomb Raider. And really, you're kind of just like an all-around badass, so welcome.
Oh well, thank you. It's like the best advice I could give.
Okay, good, I'm glad I really worked on it. Yeah, and you know, it's funny because we were just talking about this before we started recording. But this is really exciting because I just came across Rachel on TikTok.
Like, one of your videos just popped up on my for you page. I immediately was drawn to it, watched the whole thing and was like, Oh, immediate follow. And then I just started, like, every time you would come up, I was like, Oh, like, yes, like, awesome.
And then we just like, I think somehow we came together. And it was like, Oh, she should come on the show. And I was like, Hell yeah, like it was such an organic, yeah, coming together.
It felt so cool.
Yeah, yeah, and like, I I think I'm so terrible at TikTok, so that was very validating for me what you just said.
You're great at TikTok, No, we love your videos.
Yes, I'm like, I try, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just like, following like, Sinister Pombebe and that's it. Oh my god, yes, that's what I'm looking for.
Same.
We have been shouting the praises of sinister Pombebe for months.
The funniest, the funniest person alive.
I am obsessed with sinister pombebe, so good, we do impressions all the time, and we are not so good at them constantly saying that sinister vibe. It's giving dark side in.
It's giving dark side in.
Every time there's a new one, I'm like, I have to watch it as soon as I see it.
Every time, every time, if we're in the room together, Alina's like, Oh, new one.
I swear, that's me, that's totally me. I'm like, Oh my God.
I love it, I love it.
So if you guys want, we can kind of dive right into everything. We have a ton of questions for you, Rachel, so hopefully that is okay.
Yes, I'm ready.
Awesome, all right, amazing. Our first question for you is, can you basically just give us, like, kind of an overview about what being an exorcist means to you?
Sure, yeah, so, oh my gosh, let's see. I've been doing this work well, kind of in secret, for a while for over 10 years now in Los Angeles.
I work on everyone from I don't know, like Oscar winners and heads of studio and rock icons. Like, if you can think of them, they've probably been here. Let's just put it that way, but I don't out clients.
That's so cool.
I never say who, but yeah, and basically, what I do, you know, is exorcism work. It really is what it is. It's taking entities out of people and places.
That's what I've been doing here forever.
I love it. How did you discover that this, like, was your unique talent that you had?
Yeah, so ever since I was a kid, I could see entities with my eyes. And I would complain about. Like monsters under the bed, or monsters in the closet, like one does, you know? And then parents would come in and be like, there's nothing there, go to bed like, you're keeping me up. So for me, they just never went away.
Like, I always could see them, and I didn't know that. That was weird when I was a kid, because, like, how would you know? So I talked about it, I talked about it at school, I talked about it at home.
You're like, you all see these guys, they're a bad idea by the way.
Worst idea ever. So I found out very quickly that that's crazy and lunatic and you don't do that. So, you know, I believed that wholeheartedly, because there's, I don't know, when you're a kid. Everything's so weird and awkward. And so I didn't want more weird and awkward things about myself. So I just listened and I didn't talk about it ever again.
Like, it went to the vault. And I had. I always say, like, you know how people talk about? They had like some life changing event, and then now they're like, Can see spirits or whatever. That was totally not me. I was able to kind of drown out the sight of it until I hit like 30 and then I had a fender bender. Not like the life changing thing. But it was like one stress or too many in a week full of stressors. And so suddenly my sight was blown open and I couldn't suppress it at all anymore.
And like, you know, the unhoused person on the street, like, screaming. I was seeing who they were screaming at, or what they were screaming at. Entity was just everywhere. And I thought, basically, like, I'm either going to have to check myself in or figure out why I have this, like, what is that?
What is this thing? So I always joke like, I sat down with a bottle of scotch and was like, Okay, spirit, people like, tell me.
Let's dive into this. I love that. Here's my offering.
Right, and, you know, many Scotches later, here we are. But I just kind of learned to open myself up more instead of closing everything down. And in doing so, I communicated with spirit, with the good things, and just started working on people and friends at first. And who would just let me?
And, you know, there were a lot of issues that you don't think about when you see movies about exorcisms. Like, you know, if you put five candles on the ground, you're going to kick them over and start a fire at some point. You know, just the basics.
So I started a lot of fires and did a lot of things wrong and hope that people would bear with me. And so then they would have a good experience and share it with somebody else. And it just was so word of mouth for so long.
That's the best way to go about things, though, like word of mouth travels so quickly. And then I'm sure you have just people beating down your door at this point.
Yeah, well, I never thought it would get so public.
I just thought, Well, I could do this, nobody's going to care.
Yeah, right.
That's not the case.
Because that's what it is. It's like when people are saying their personal experiences with something like this, it's the most valuable thing you can have. Is people telling other people being like, I did this, this is real, this worked, I did it.
Yeah, that's true, that is true, and these were people that people respected, I think too, and so that goes a long way.
Oh, absolutely. Did you feel lighter once you kind of started leaning into it after suppressing for so long?
Honestly, yes, yeah, I could imagine, yeah. Because, you know, it really sucks to not embrace parts of yourself, all parts of yourself like. You don't have to be an exorcist to feel that. You know, absolutely.
And we do that so often to like, not be ridiculed or not be judged or whatever. And I even had, like, a manager at the time, not my manager anymore, who was like, you can never tell people you do this. Because I'm a writer as well and that's like my job, so you cannot tell. You can't go public with this.
You can't tell people you do this, don't tell people in meetings like. And I was like, Oh, OK. But then eventually, you know, that catches up with you and you're just like, This is who I am.
If you don't want to work with me, don't work with me.
Absolutely, yeah, I'm not going to hide this part of myself just to appease people.
Right, you make yourself small for people, like so many people do that. we just like make ourselves so small to make other people feel safe, and that's not cool.
I'm not doing that anymore, I'm too old for that shit now. Hell yeah.
Leaning in. And it's funny that you said it happened when you were like 30. Because I always say to Ash, I always tell her, I'm like something about 30. I just hit it and I was like, why am I doing? like, why am I making myself for other people?
Like, like, I need to, I need to be comfortable with everything I am. It was like I hit 30 and I was like, whatever, I can't wait for that.
It's so true, you do like you just don't care anymore. And honestly, the older you get, I feel the less you give a shit about other people's opinions and all you hope for the best.
But you know?
Except you're the worst. At the end of the day, it's like, it's none of my business. What they think of me like, that is fine, I know.
Exactly.
So it's so funny that it, like, coincided with that.
It's so true, and I also say that when you are high frequency, you know how. There are online. Like gurus that always tell you like, you gotta love everybody and you gotta forgive everybody, and you know, everything's the same, that's not for me, that is not true.
No.
That is not true.
So like, the more high frequency you actually get, the less tolerance you have for bullshit. Like you just don't want it around at all. It's true that makes sense.
I feel like I'm nearing that the closer I get to 30.
I'm 27 now and I can see like every year, the less and less tolerance that I have for stuff. Oh yeah.
I love that for you.
It's true because it really does, like, once you get to that place of just being like, Oh no, like, I don't give a shit, yeah.
If you don't like me, you don't like me, like, that's fine. We don't have to interact. That's cool, as long as I like me, that's what's good.
As long as I like me and the people I love and respect like me, then, like, of course.
That's it.
Yeah, like, my whole thought process is like, as long as my little bubble likes me and I like me, then, like, we're good, we're in the clear. Yeah, we're good.
Exactly, I totally agree with that.
Yeah, now obviously it's spooky season, we're all excited about that. Oh, love it, you know, Samhain?
We did a whole history on that. Yeah, and during the autumn months, that's when the veil is the thinnest. And I've actually learned specifically from you on TikTok that right now, it is currently the thinnest. Like this is wild.
And I think you said, it's from here until, like, sometime in November. So for people who don't even know what the veil is, can you kind of tell us a little more about that, what the veil is? Why it might be the thinnest? Right now? I'm so excited for this question and this answer.
Yeah.
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So the veil is, you know, between our world and, you know, the spirit world. That's kind of a big world. You know, that's high beings, you know, that's deceased people. There's a whole lot of stuff on the other side and right now it's the thinnest it's been in years.
And there's a lot of reasons for that. So part of being able to read negative energy, I guess, like my side effect is that I can read when energy shifts in the world. So I always try to warn people about it and good stuff too, like, Oh, this is a really good time for you to be able to manifest things.
This is a bad time for that, you know?
Go do that, whatever.
Just stay home and, like, you know, sleep for five days.
Right?
So right now it's the thinnest because there's a lot of negative activity on the planet, just a ton, a ton of negative activity on the planet. Really. Kind of, I mean, we don't even need to get into it, everybody knows, yeah.
And then the flip side of that is there are a lot of people more interested in connecting.
That makes sense.
Those things work together to kind of thin energy out, so it's like there's a reach going on. If that makes sense, yeah, that does reach across to each other.
Absolutely.
And so the negative part of that, well depends on how you feel, I guess, but the negative part of that most people feel is that. There's a lot of, you know, not so nice energy trying to come through. So you'll get, like visitations from entities, you'll get, you know, more stuff, kind of like, I've been getting a lot more of my name called.
Huh.
It's like, out, I'll hear it. And a lot of people have been experiencing, like, Oh, I just heard my name and there's nobody here and different voices of that.
That's so interesting.
And a lot of like stuff moving around, so like doors closing, you know, just you thought your keys were here. somehow they were here, that kind of stuff.
That's so that's really fascinating, actually, because we've had like some stuff going on in our family and with my parents. They're good now. But like, we had some stuff going on the last few weeks. And we were in their house, which is the house I grew up in, super old.
Very old house. There was always stuff going on in there. When we grew up, like nothing ever seemed threatening or bad, it was always just like innocuous things. But we've been in there kind of cleaning and help organize and stuff.
And I specifically, and this has never happened to me. I've never heard voices in that house, I've never heard anything like that. And it's funny because I have, yeah, and I never have.
But I was like, I believe you, you have. I just never experienced it myself. And I was in one room cleaning, and Ash was in another room across the way, on the upstairs floor. And at one point, I heard a woman's voice, go hello, and it was like, clear as day.
And I was like, what was that? So I was like, Ash, did someone just come in the door, like our sister or something? And she was like, What are you talking about? And I was like, I just heard somebody just yelled hello.
When they came in the door and she was like, I did not hear anything, no one came. It was just the two of us, and I was like, that was so clear.
Like, what you were? Shook by it? I was like, shook by it, and I kind of pushed it aside.
I was like, Okay, that was weird. And then the other day we went into the house again to talk to my parents. Totally different area of the house. We were in the room, me, Ash, both my parents.
And they all saw me look to the left because I was like someone's talking over there, like it was like a man's voice talking on my left. And I couldn't figure out what they were saying. But it was like, so clear.
And I was like, what is going on? Like, why am I suddenly hearing this, right?
Like, Okay, that's a perfect example, because this has technically been thin since, like September 15th-ish.
But Halloween is the thinnest, so people don't do stupid things. Please don't do stupid things on Halloween. That's all I'm asking.
Put your Ouija boards away, people.
Like, you know, those conjuring games that people love to play, oh yeah, don't do that. They're just like, pretty scared. And then I'm always like, what's the plan? If it comes through, like, what are you going to do?
Yeah, what are you going to do? Where do we go from here?
Please have a plan, yeah.
But yeah, it's so crazy that you're experiencing that because, like even people, and I don't think this is true of you. I think you all are very sensitive, but like there are people who are like walking around like boards, they're not sensitives at all.
Like, you know, unconscious, and they're saying, Oh, I just heard this, I just heard this.
That makes so much sense. It is crazy that really that was like, so validating. When you started talking about like voices, I was like, Okay, I was like, I'm not losing it.
That's nice to know.
I get that all the time in my house, and my house was built in 1936. And it's so loud here sometimes, like at 2 3 in the morning. It always like, once a month at least someone's having a party in the living room.
Oh, no way. Oh my god.
So we now have, like, a code for it in the house. We call it the anti-whispers. I don't know if you're like, over-the-Garden-Wall fans. Oh, I love that. Yeah, there's like a character called anti-whispers.
So we're always like, Oh, it's anti-whispers again, just like having a party. I love that.
I love that so much, it's amazing, just going for it. Damn, just like popping off at 2 a.m. Good for them.
Yeah, you wake up and you're like, Oh, okay, cool, thanks.
Like, Okay, have a good time, I guess. welcome, I guess.
Yeah, like, so loud, it's rude, yeah.
Well, you use the term, and we've heard it a couple of times while talking to you right now. Entities rather than like, what people might think of, you know, demons or something, right? And in your book, Sister of Darkness, which, by the way, is an amazing title, I love that, that's so good.
Immediately I was like, Oh, grab that book. You talk about entities like, you know, the Clive, a wraith, tricksters, realm walkers, collectors. Can you kind of give us a little bit of the differences, what those things are, what their differences are, and kind of how you approach each one if you approach them differently?
Sure, yeah, so you know, let's just be clear, too. Like, deceased people and entities, or what people call demons, are not the same thing. Deceased people are just deceased, they're people.
They're dead.
Just people.
Everything else has, like, not been people.
I hope they haven't experienced that.
Different lifestyle?
And it shows.
So clives are the lowest, like, if you will, on the malevolency branch and intelligence. They are things that people pick up quite often. I call them clives, very scientific. I call them clives because to me, they look like Clive Barker drawings, so I've just always called them clives.
I love that they're like something between, like a brain and a face hugger.
I don't know if you can picture that.
I can, I sure can. As soon as you said that, I was like, Oh, I don't want one of those.
And they're the easiest to pick up, unfortunately, they're like the smallest and the easiest to pick up. And people when they think about attachment or possession, they think about movies, right? Like, Oh, it's like everything is going to hell really fast, it's very obvious.
That's not how entity works normally, so like with clives, for example. It's like they attach, they're very small, they come in, they don't want you to know that they exist.
They are very quiet. It's very insidious, I guess, is what I'm saying. Yeah, that makes sense, and a lot of people have clives. It's very easy to pick up.
So I would say, I don't even know. Now, like 85 of the population is walking around with a clive and they don't even know. Not to be scary, but like.
I feel like I definitely have a Clive or two. Well, the word the name Clive is like, so innocuous sounding that when you're like, you know, you're just walking around with a Clive.
You know, he's just there.
Just hanging out.
What it does is it's an amplifier. So like, if you're sad, you're depressed, if you're depressed, it's worse, you know, if you're angry, you have rage. And it feels really big, but it's actually very small and very easy even for people to get rid of.
Okay, like they'll walk around with it and then get rid of it without even realizing.
Oh, wow, so you can just drop a clive. They kind of like, jump to the next person.
Well, if you work on yourself even a little bit and you raise your vibration a little bit, like you've had, I don't know. Like, six really good days in a row, sure. Or you're like, trying to be positive, or you're trying to be like, really nice to people, whatever your deal is.
Yeah, or you meditate for six days like it'll pop off.
Okay, I love that, that is cool. Yeah, yeah.
So clives are kind of like, you just have to kind of recognize that something is amiss, yeah, and just try to rectify it a little bit within yourself. Okay, exactly.
Like, they're the leeches of the community, let's say, you know, they're just trying to feed, they're just not, it's just they're just there, yeah.
You know, it's not personal.
They're just trying to sap your energy.
Exactly so if you start to starve them out, they're like, eh?
On to the next, that makes sense, I get that.
But then, of course, it goes up from there, right? Like wraith attachments are attachments that people get that are associated with night terrors and sleep paralysis.
Ooh, I've also had sleep paralysis and night terrors since you were little, and I had night terrors when I was little.
So that you know not to get into anything, because we're not going to point anything out publicly here. Our business. ERIC Right, that there's two ways, or, well, three ways to get that. So either you're in a house around someone who has it, and you're an extra sensitive, kind of empathic person.
Or something sexual happens to you when it shouldn't, so people get that from, you know, unfortunately, molestation and all kinds of terrible things. Or even abusive partners. Sometimes you'll get that from abusive partners, and then the last way you can get that, which is the most rare. But it does happen, and I've seen it a lot of times here in my practice, if you will, lineage rates.
So it came down through someone in the past who had an encounter, and it's just hung around.
That one feels like, right, that does, because we have a long line of people who have also dealt with the same thing. And I've always been like, Oh, okay, that's interesting.
And my kids had a few bouts of night terrors, like pretty early on, and then they went away right? And I was always like, Oh, no, did I pass this down to you? like, is this something I can do? You confronted it head on.
I did, and you were like, you're not welcome here. Yeah, I just kind of was like, this isn't happening for you guys. So like, I'm going to take. Because they had like night terrors, like the night terrors where you know, they're awake but not awake. And they're just kind of upset. And we would just sit there and like, kind of hug them until they were calmed down. My poor husband had no idea what was going on because he had never experienced it when he was younger.
It's usually maternal, it is almost always maternal.
Oh, that makes sense. wow, because my mom had the same thing going on, so that makes a lot of sense because they would. Then they woke up one night. We've told this story on the podcast before, so listeners have heard it. But I one night they woke up and they were so upset. The two of them, I have seven-year-old twins. And they were saying that a group of people came in their room and were trying to cut their sheets with scissors.
And I was like, That is the scariest shit I have ever heard in my life. But in my head, I was like, All right, you can't react to this like how you want to in your head right now and start screaming and crying. I should just run out of the house right now. So I was like, all right, I got to take charge of this whole thing. And I was like, I don't want them to go through these like I did.
So I was like, all right. So I was like, where are they? are they still here? and they were like, they're right there, and they pointed into the hallway.
And I was like, okay.
How did you know that? And I was like, my husband literally was like, No, that's on you dog. He was like, I'm not, no, he's like, this is a you problem.
He just stood in the corner and was like, Ah, I don't see anything, it's okay, and I'm like, it's so. I was like, all right. So I walked into the hallway where they said they were, and I just stood there and I was like, Are they here? and they were like, Yep, they're right there.
And I was like, You guys are freaking out, my kids. This is mean, this is our house, that is their room, those are their sheets.
You can, whatever you're doing is not welcome and like, it's rude and I don't appreciate it. And we can all live together if you're not being assholes, but you're being assholes. And I was like, cut it out, and then I was like, Okay, do you feel better?
Never happened again, they never had another night terror, they never saw another thing.
And like, also, my guess is that y'all are high empaths, which means that you feel everything, and so when you're a high empath. Another thing that comes through is a lot of deceased people, a lot of deceased people will come through because deceased people love to talk. They're very chatty, like they, they do not shut up.
And so if they can feel that someone's a high empath, even if you don't know it, or even if you're like, nope, don't want that or whatever. They try to come through. So it's very possible, too, that your children are high empaths and like, all this wants to come through. And like, talk to them or see them. And they're not necessarily ready for that either, so it's scary. Absolutely, that's not the way to do it.
Yeah, that was rude, don't think about it.
That was just weird. It's like, why you hear that?
Like, Oh my god.
It was so specific, that was the thing I was like, wow.
When it comes from your kid, when it comes when anything comes out of a child's mouth, it's always like the scariest thing possible.
Always because you're like, I know you're seeing it, yeah.
Yeah, I guess, so, yeah. And they're like, so open about saying it where adults, even if they saw it, were like, I'm not telling anybody that.
Right, I'm not saying it, but they're just like at the breakfast table, being like, you know what I saw last night? It was wild.
And you're like, This is creepy. I want to run screaming into the night, but I'm not going to do that.
But I'm like, it's fine. Like our youngest. Remember? Skeleton? Skeleton? Oh yeah, she said. she saw a skeleton, but her little voice would call him skeleton.
And she said he was a nice guy and he just hung out and smiled at her. And Monday, he left, and she wasn't even that scared of him. And then she was like, I was like, Do you see him anymore?
Like, I just asked her once, and she was like, No. He went to see his family.
And I was like, Oh, okay.
And then he just never came back. I was like, I hope he did go to see his family. Yeah, good for him.
Well, you know, what's cool about kids, too, is that, well, lots of things, I guess. But they're very connected to spirit, because they're the closest to spirit, you know, the older they get, the less connected. Because we kind of, well, maybe not anymore, hopefully. But when I was a kid like, people definitely were like, that's not real, so you stop opening yourself up to spirit. But one of the things that's really great about kids is that they trust what they feel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Instead of what they see, because oftentimes deceased people come in. And even for adult people, that's too scary. They don't want to look at it. Or they'll come in kind of half-formed, or they'll come in kind of looking weird or whatever, yeah.
And the response is, That's scary, shut it down. But kids are like, Well, it looks like a skeleton, but he feels real good.
Like, he's nice, he's nice, He's all right. Yeah, he's smiling, so I'll go with it.
Yeah, it makes sense. I used to see so much more stuff when I was a kid. You did, yeah, but then I could tell I was scaring people.
So I was like, Okay, maybe this is bad, yeah, yeah.
Exactly, yeah, so it's nice when you kind of keep it going for kids. And I think more parents are a bit more spiritual now and are like, Oh, tell me about it, oh, does it feel? But you know?
Yeah, like asking more questions instead of just being like, No, no, no, yeah, just ask a little more. Better to lean in.
Exactly Yeah, exactly absolutely absolutely.
And what about Tricksters sound? I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah, I'm scared about that.
Tricksters are the ones that form symbiotic relationships with their person because they stick around, so tricksters are a little more malevolent. Because they're like, yeah, you can see what you want to see. So I've had clients who, you know, had imaginary friends, you know, that felt not good. They had archangels with them, I had a few clients who thought they had like genies with them from childhood.
I had one client who was, I think, in their thirties, who was like, there's a horse with me.
What?
Because they usually latch on in childhood and then keep going, so why wouldn't you think you know differently? Yeah, I can't. This is so weird to say. Well, I guess all of this is weird to say, right? But like-.
Nothing's weird here, weird for me.
I've had more than one client come in and be like, Archangel. Michael is attached like he goes with me everywhere, we go, everywhere together.
Wow.
And I'm just like, Okay. And so, to me, when I see a trickster with my eyes, they always look the same. They don't look like whatever they're presenting to this person, they just kind of look like, I don't know like it's so hard to explain, but like, like, very tall, very dark figures.
So it always looks the same. I'm not seeing the horse or archangel, Michael or whatever, you know, the grandpa or whatever, whatever it is. So I'm like, I try to be respectful about it because, you know, we're having a conversation. I like to have a conversation with people about what they feel is going on, and so I'm like, Okay, so, but how's your life going?
And they're like, Oh, it's a shit show, horrible.
10 out of 10 don't recommend.
And I'm like, Well, okay, so how do I explain? So, you know if you had Archangel Michael with you at all times? But yet your life is reflecting a shit show.
Right?
Maybe it's not Archangel, Michael, and we should take that out.
Maybe he's just trying to make you think he's Archangel, Michael.
Exactly, and how they do that is they can again. This is like wild, scary sounding shit, but I'm so used to it. Oh, we love it.
We're like, let's go, yeah, we're into it.
They can kind of pull something out of your mind, so they scan your mind, basically.
Wow.
And pull something you want out of it. So I've had situations where I had a situation where I worked on one particular, like Rock Star, and I've actually worked on several. And they always think it's the same entity, they'll see something in their mind and be like, this is what I have with me.
And I'll be like, Okay, because it's like a famous, you know? Like demon from pictures. They'll be like, Oh, I have this demon. This demon is the demon I wanted.
I bought him at the store.
Yeah, exactly, and I'm like, Okay, and I'll just be like, it's really not that, but let's just take it out. I won't even get into it, I'll just be like you do.
Okay, let's take it out.
Trickster It's a trickster. Then they'll be like, Okay, cool. And whenever I take something out of people, I also give them homework because we need to keep the energy up.
Right, so it doesn't happen.
How entity attaches in the first place is it's all energy, so you know, we are energy, stuff is energy, everything's energy. And we're walking around life with what I call a baseline frequency.
And so that's, you know, how we interact with ourselves, how we interact with the world, how conscious we are, like, how do we talk to ourselves, all that stuff matters. So, like, I don't know if you're walking around. Like, if it's a scale of one to ten, and one is dead, and ten is Buddha, you know, most people are at like a four, yeah.
You're doing good if you're at a four, giving it your best go.
You're hanging in at a four.
Yeah, you're hanging in there.
It may not be great, but you're like, you're there.
You're here.
So when we work on ourselves, we can raise that vibration, we can raise that frequency, but it takes time, so it's not fast. It's like, Okay, I'm going to do this every day and like, try to do better. Yeah, great.
But when we go through a trauma, that baseline frequency takes an immediate hit. And since we don't really believe in this in our society, we don't know how to handle that. Like spiritually, like we barely know how to function through that.
Yeah, accurate.
So when that happens, unfortunately, that's kind of a double-edged sword. We're in low-frequency space and here's this low-frequency thing that wants to attach, and so that's kind of how it happens.
Ah.
So whenever someone leaves here. Because we have to take that trauma signature out of the body, as well as the entity out of the body. So that we can raise that vibration for you. So you're not just going to attract other things right away. Mm-hmm. And so there's homework, right? So we want to keep that energy clean and rising. So whenever. I've worked on people in the past and I've done all the work and I've given them homework, especially people that affect a lot of other people.
So very famous, like people who affect a lot of people. I'm like, Oh, please, please, do the homework, do the homework, do it, do it.
But with a few people in particular, they would come back, like a month later, and be like, Well, this demon came back, I don't know.
Did you do the homework?
Definitely didn't do the homework and then I'm looking at it and it's not the same trickster.
Hmm, interesting.
But because they stayed in the place, that they were energetically and it scans the brain, it was like, Oh, it's me again.
Hi, oh yeah, it just knew exactly what to present as. But it's just a different guy that makes sense.
But it's not because when I take them out, I don't give them the opportunity to keep going. You know, it's like, it's gone, it's gone, poof done.
Done.
Then I'm looking at this and I'm like, Oh my God, here we go again.
You're like, I'm going to put your name on the board, you did not do your homework, I'm not helping you next time.
Yeah, exactly like I'm putting up like you passed a bad check, you're not allowed in here.
You can't come back in, you're on the red list.
You're not welcome anymore, God, not until you change your ways, seriously.
And you'd think once you get like an entity removed from you and someone like you, like a professional, is telling you like, you should do this. To like, make sure another one doesn't come in. You'd think that you'd be like, Oh yeah, I'm going to do that and I'm going to do more. I was going to say, you'd like research even more, like, What can I do?
I'd be like, I'm on the journey to make sure that doesn't come back.
Yeah, like some people are not ready, yeah, like they think that gives them something like, that's what gives me creativity, or that's what makes me write good songs, that's what makes me, whatever.
That's interesting, it's like, that's not true.
It's like the Tortured Artist special, yeah.
Yes, exactly.
And they're making you think that they're, that you need them right to do that stuff, right?
It's total BS and like, I can explain that forever. But it doesn't necessarily matter if you're not ready to let it go, you're not ready. And the funny, well, I don't know if funny is the right word, but like, you know, let's say I have an actor in here, and you know, okay? We go through all of these processes to take this out and you have all the homework. And he's like, Got it, I'm going to do all this, I'm going to do all this.
And you don't hear from them again, so you're like, Okay, cool, cool, cool. They're doing it. Then you go see their latest movie and you're watching it and you see the entity.
Oh, wow, and you're like, dude, No.
Oh my god.
That's crazy, so you can even see things attached to people in TV shows and movies.
Yep, and photos, wow, and everything.
Is that really distracting for you? Is it hard to enjoy like media?
Yeah, it's so distracting, that's the one thing I can't get over.
Yeah.
Right, like, I'm trying to stay in the moment with the story and all this. And then I just keep seeing this thing. And like, if it's a horror movie, I can kind of play it into the background, right?
Oh, look, you belong.
He's there, nobody's acknowledging him, that's fine.
Yeah, that's fine, interesting.
But if it's like some kind of like Hallmark movie or something.
Oh my God. And to think about seeing that in a hallmark movie. Wow, the stark contrast there. wow.
Totally happens.
Totally happens. That just blew my mind because it's wholesome entertainment, not so wholesome a person.
I guess not. You're watching this girl fall in love with a guy who ends up being Santa Claus's son, of course.
And you're like, I can see, oh, my God.
My god, that's so wild, but then there's more, right, like, there are, there's what are? I love these names, too, these last two names are so ominous to me.
They are realmwalkers.
Yeah, the worst of the worst.
Oof, that sounds bad, really.
Realmwalkers are the worst of the worst they can attach to people and spaces.
Ooh.
They're what people I would like, from my point of view. Consider the devil.
Oh, wow.
So they're the movie-style entity.
They can carry spaces, and I think they're much more dangerous in spaces than they are in people. I think, well, any entity that carries spaces is much more dangerous because they're more malevolent, more intelligent, and can do more because they can hold spaces, right?
With Realmwalkers.
They can do anything an entity below them can do plus.
Ooh.
And they can attract people, can influence people from miles and miles and miles away, and in masses.
Wow.
Yeah, they're pretty spectacular and they can affect people in the space dozens of ways, so they can. They obviously feed off of high foot traffic, it's always high foot traffic areas, so things that a lot of people go through, because the ultimate goal is to feed from people. So in a space, you know, and I talk about in the book, like the Cecil Hotel, which is downtown here in Los Angeles, very notoriously bad place. Mm-hmm.
Places that I really want to get in and exercise. And like, I've had a lot of resistance from everyone. It's changed hands so many times, and I've had a lot of resistance from every single one because of that influence.
They like to lean into it a bit.
Yes, exactly. So. I mean, notorious murders have gone on there, murderers have stayed there. The history is very vast and wild. You know, there's a rumor that the Black Dahlia was attached to that place.
You know, every time someone wants to compare it to, like, they just want to say, well, you know, it's always been kind of a bad area. It's always had a lot of, you know, whatever, clientele. I'm like, okay, but compare that to all of the hotels legit right around it.
Right, yeah, yeah.
They, too, have bad things. It's not like there's no crime there. mm-hmm, but the crime does not match, by far, the Cecil Holt.
No, no way.
At all, especially that you know the Elisa Lam story of her being found in the water tower.
Yeah.
And like, to this day, they've done I don't even know how many documentaries on this, trying to find a way that that could have actually happened. Where she closed a water tower onto herself, right? And they still are like, Well, we don't know, but that's, you know, we're downplaying that, there's supernatural situations here.
Of course.
But there are supernatural situations there. 100. There is a Rome Walker in that space. Wow, but that's what it does.
So like all the police will come and they'll investigate and they'll be like suicide.
Yeah.
Because it's like, it's suicide. Yeah, exactly, you know, so that particular entity, there's not like a thousand of them or anything on the planet.
They're pretty rare, but there's more than one, so it's not something I consider the devil, but it's certainly real bad.
And the last one I think is The Collectors, which to me sounds like the scariest. That sounds real ominous, but you say realm walkers.
No, it's not, it's the one down from the realm. WALKER Oh, okay. Collectors are the most interesting, though, I think, and I deal with a lot of collectors in the work that I do because I do spaces quite frequently.
So collectors only hold space, they don't bother with people. That's not their thing, because realm walkers can also possess people. And that's the movie style, right? That's like, everything looks terrible.
Everyone's dying. It's horrifying. But the difference between movies and real life on those things is that realm Walkers will only do that for future world changers.
They don't have time for just that girl on that farm, they don't care about that at all.
That's interesting, that is really interesting.
They only want the big time because, think about it, the most malevolent and the most intelligent. Why are you going to waste your time? Yeah, it's true.
It's like, no. But collectors only do spaces, and they do spaces of mass trauma, so a place where mass trauma has happened, a collector can come in and form. And what it does is it keeps deceased people in the space, so deceased people are never stuck.
That's kind of a lie, it's not really a real thing.
Okay.
But they can stick themselves if that makes sense. So if they're like, I'm afraid to go on, or I did something bad, that was part of this mass trauma, so I think I deserve to be here. Or they just don't know, they just don't have help, or don't know, they just stick around. So collectors, what they do is they like to pick a high traffic space.
Again, lots of people moving through. They keep the deceased people, and they'll use the deceased people essentially to scare the living people into giving the energy.
Oh, wow, okay.
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Right, so, like super haunted places where they've had mass trauma. You can guarantee there's a collector behind that. Just kind of pulling out the stops and going like, Okay, now you, now you, now you.
Oh, wow, he's like their terrible manager. Yeah, seriously, just delegating.
Seriously.
You don't get a cut of anything, nothing at all, yeah. So what you have to do when dealing with a collector is you have to release the deceased people. First. Because you want to take the battery away first, because it puffs him up a bit, you know?
Right, that makes sense.
All the deceased people out of the equation, and that is just conversations with deceased people, because, you know, they're just like us, but dead. Yeah, you know, you just want to have conversations with them and let them know like you don't have to be here anymore. This is not for you. And whatever their fears are, kind of address them and help them.
A little talk therapy, yeah.
Yeah, a little talk therapy with the deceased people.
Yeah, yeah.
So like, it's, I don't know. It's important to do that. I think it's nice to do that anyway, because who wants to be in your own, your own hell, right? Yeah, so we get them out, and then by the time you get them all out, the collector really doesn't have a lot to stand on at that point. So he's kind of easy to remove.
But it feels big when there's like a lot of people in the space. Certainly when people go through those spaces, they that's the kind of space where you feel kind of underwater when you enter.
Oh, okay.
I don't know if you've felt that sensation.
I don't know if I have, but I've heard people say that, yeah.
Yeah, it's like your senses become very like, it really is just like you're underwater.
Wow.
And it's very heavy feeling.
Yeah, okay, the Lizzie Borden house was like that, actually. Yeah, now that I think of it.
When we went there.
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah, there was a couple of rooms, specific rooms immediately. I think it was the stepmother's room upstairs.
ABBY Yeah, yeah, we. We both were like, Oh, I don't want to go in there like it just had a weird and I'd never felt that before.
I was like, Oh, no, I don't want to go in there. And the whole time we were in there, it felt more and more threatening. Like, you need, you should get out of here. yeah, you shouldn't be in here.
You know, I've never been inside that house, but I do have feelings like, I wonder what really happened there? It's heavy.
Yeah.
Okay, it's a real heavy. There's parts of it that you're like, Okay, like this, you feel a little wonky in there, but like, you're like, whatever. But there's as you go up, it's like, Ooh, yeah, the upstairs harbors a lot more.
And and so does the basement. Yeah, weirdly, the basement has some some weird energy down there.
Yeah, well, and I guess that's a high traffic area, technically, right? yeah, because people go through a lot.
Yep, absolutely. People like travel from all over just to spend the night, so it makes sense, yeah.
So she's keeping it going.
I sort of buy into the whole. Someone was hiding in the attic.
Yeah, the attic is a scary place, so we were supposed to stay in the attic. And I was like, I will not sleep up there, I will not stand up there longer than for the tour.
And then we're going downstairs. Yeah, she would not like our room was in the attic.
And we were like, No, and we just ended up sitting up in the sitting room, yep, which is actually where Andrew died, yep.
All night in the exact spot, just sitting up. But somehow that felt less threatening, yeah.
Weirdly enough, yeah.
You might have been killing a collector. That might be where he was hanging out, yes.
I wonder.
Because, like, Okay, I did. I did an exorcism on the Reinhardt Mansion, which is the American Horror Story Mansion. Oh wow, and this was for a TV show for celebrity exorcism, it's on TV, Oh yeah.
I was just excited to go do the mansion, so I said, yes, so we. When they told me it was a house, I was like, that doesn't usually have like an entity, it might have like ghosts, but I don't know, yeah.
Because they didn't tell me what the house, you know what house it was. So when we went, I was like, Okay, I will like, actually feel this out and see if there is. But I didn't realize. It is still a very high traffic area and so there was an entity in that space, but it was in the basement.
And it wasn't like, so, normally, when an entity holds a space, it can go through the whole space, it doesn't have any kind of parameters. But it'll have a place where, like it likes to hang out, and that's probably like your attic. Yeah, like, here they were. This entity was actually forced down because at one point it was a church and there were nuns that stayed there. And they'd figured out that there was something in the space.
So they had kept it down, and when they died, they stayed.
Wow.
It's like a whole thing, we went through a whole thing. So the like the nuns were on certain levels of the house, and then this was forced to one level of the house. And by the time we got there to then I was to take it out. It was like much weaker than it would have been had it not been for all these nuns fighting for space.
That's amazing.
But one thing that it did do, which I thought was so interesting, and this, I guess, is a well, I don't know. It's not there anymore, but it back in the day when it was there, you know, when it became the American horror Story house. People used to go up to the gate and take pictures with it. Because it's just a fence, like it's a very open fence and you can see the whole house. So it would take little bits from people who took pictures, like it would feed tiny bits off of people because it was stuck, what?
That's so creepy from people who could come take pictures, so people would take pictures and then later complain. Like they had just a small headache or just got tired, or just not. It wasn't a lot, it was just a little bit.
That's so creepy. Oh, I don't know if anybody's done that now. And was like, Wait a second, I know somebody listening is like, Holy shit.
I was a little fearless right away, like, Oh, my God, that was me.
Yeah, like I did that, I fed him. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. Oh my god, wow, that's wild.
So are there specific signs to look out for that some specific entity is attached to you?
You know, most people don't have like high-end entities, it's not like normal, you know what I mean, like, they don't have like the crazy shit.
Right, people honestly don't know they have attachment at all. And that's kind of a specialty of mine too. Like, I love when people are just like, Well, I feel blocked in my life.
Or, you know, I haven't worked in a while, or I can't find this relationship, or my favorite one actually is. I've been having a lot of trouble conceiving, I've helped so many people conceive, and I feel really proud of that because.
Good.
Well, and it's such a big deal. Like some people are fine not having children all their lives, like that's me, I'm fine with it, but some people like, that's all they want.
That's the only thing they want.
That's me.
If you have trouble, that's the worst feeling because you're like, why, why is this happening to me when, like, it's so easy for somebody else?
So I've had a lot of clients come in who had tried everything, spent so much money, had so much hardship. Or just like, I can't. And you know, like, I live here in Los Angeles and people have money and so they'll go to the ends of the earth, spend whatever it takes. And when it's not working, it's so frustrating because it's like you're trying so hard.
Yeah.
Yeah, like, I don't know what else to do. So word of mouth has sent a lot of people here for that. And so it's so interesting because so many times they'll be like, Well, they're telling me, my ovaries are this. Or like, this is happening. And so, you know every time, or they can't find anything you know, like it's one or the other.
Like, it's this dire situation where this will never happen for me. Or like they can't find any reason why this isn't happening. But when they come in here, I go through my emotions, you know? So when we do the working here, there are moments where I have to put my hands on people. I always warn them like, I'm going to put my hands on you. Because if I see these blocks or these spaces in the body, like, I want to pull it out.
I don't want it in the body anymore. So, like oftentimes when people come in. And I've even had clients come in who don't want to tell me anything, right, very skeptical clients. That somebody just had a good experience. And so they said, you should go, and they come in and they're like, I don't want to talk about anything.
Let's just get this done.
So I'm like, Okay, fine, let's just get this done. So, one of those clients was a client who could not conceive. But I didn't know this, right. They didn't tell me anything until I just started working.
So I kept putting my hand in the same place because over, like the left ovary area, there was all this darkness. And I was like, I'm not leaving that in the body, like, I didn't know what the plan was here, but I just don't like leaving any of that in the body, right? Well, I just kept going there every round that I was doing this like that was where it was so concentrated.
And at the end of it, this client sat up and was like crying and was like, Why did you keep touching me here? And I was like, I said the same thing. Like, I just saw a lot of darkness and I don't like that in the body and so that's what I took out.
Right?
They were like, I have been trying to have a baby for two years. I don't know what is going on. Doctors have told me that it's not possible. They've told me my ovaries are basically dead. Like that particular one is the worst.
And like, I don't know what to do. And everything that came in from spirit, because finally we were able to talk right was like issues and trauma with their mom.
Hmm.
It had so many issues and trauma with their mom that the body was stopping that from happening on like a energetic level because that hadn't been released.
Oh, wow.
So I was like, Listen, there is 100 a baby coming in, like, there is a baby there. They're just waiting for the opportunity, so let's work on that here. And we took all this stuff out.
We did all this, whatever, and I get a call, I don't know. A few months later and it was like, close to the holidays, and they were like, Can I come in? can I come back?
And I was like, you know, I guess, so yeah, come back, come back. And I was like, what happened? like, what's going on? and they were like, Well, I'm pregnant.
Oh my god, I just got chills, I know I just got like a womb.
And they were like, you know, I just want another one, just to keep things going.
Just to make sure it's all safe and healthy.
And I would say, that's probably happened, I don't even know, maybe 100 times over the.
Last few decades, that's incredible. That makes so much sense, though.
Listen, it's not the only thing, right? Yeah, of course, it's not the only thing that causes or aids in those kinds, like infertility or mental illness or any of those things. But it's part of the equation, and we just don't acknowledge that enough in our culture.
It's true.
We don't acknowledge that, oh my god, all this stuff that we're holding in the body can be harmful to us. It's not attachment, even if it's just old shit. Yeah, because we're taught to stuff down trauma so much, because this society is like, get past it.
Get over it, yeah.
Move on, there's more to do.
Like that happened a year ago. Yeah, what does that mean? That doesn't mean anything, because getting over it means you're not getting through it.
And if you're not getting through it, how are you healing it? You're not, you're just keeping it.
It's just stuck somewhere inside of you. I tell you that literally all the time, she does.
It causes so much anxiety and depression and all of that too when we do that, because it takes so much of us away. It causes such unworthiness and inner child damage and so much shit. It comes out different ways. I'll have clients who come in and I don't know, I love my ladies.
My ladies who come in, my ladies, yeah, they come in and they're like, you know, I do everything for everyone and I feel really good about it. I just don't know.
I'm so sad, I'm like, you're not sad, you're fucking angry.
Yeah, because you're doing nothing for yourself.
Right, but you've been socialized to not be angry, that's not an acceptable emotion for people who are socialized girls, right? It's like.
You're not allowed to be angry, God forbid a woman be angry. And so they're like, Well, I don't know why I'm crying all the time. I'm like, because you want to scream, because you want God's energy to come in and tell everybody to fuck off.
That's why.
It's so true, it's very relatable.
I always tell people to be angry.
Lean into it, feel it. If you feel it, it's true. I mean, that's what I tell my kids.
I have three girls and I'm always telling them, if you feel angry, be angry, man, you are perfectly allowed to be angry in this house. You don't have to tell me you're not. So. I feel like there's a new generation of parenting that's hopefully going to be like, because I know a lot of people. All my friends who have kids are doing the same kind of thing where it's like, just let your kid feel how they feel.
Right, and help them identify it. No, right.
People think that, and they're also taught that from the same spiritual gurus, like, Oh, that's a low-frequency emotion.
Yeah, no.
Actually, it's a high-frequency emotion when used correctly. We're not saying, like, go be abusive to people.
No, never, but just feel it.
Yeah, being allowed to feel it. And I always tell people too, like when they think there's entity around, like whenever they think they feel like they're. When you feel sensitive. And you're just like, Oh, there's something here, I don't like it, I don't like it.
You tell it to fuck off.
I love that.
You go, No fuck, you, fuck off, and I'm like, use the words, use those words, and the reason why is because that steps you into your power.
That raises your vibration, that's how you get it gone.
Yeah, that makes sense, it makes perfect sense. That's how I got them gone from my kids rooms, that's how you did it.
I was like, You're being rude as fuck here and I don't appreciate it. You have to stand your ground, yeah.
We are much more powerful than we think we are.
It's true. Mm-hmm. It makes perfect sense. Do you have any specific tips for people to avoid having an entity attach itself other than telling it to fuck off?
Again, like in movies, and not that this doesn't happen ever, but it's more common the other way in movies. It's always like, this nice little religious child.
Who is sweet?
And needs to be corrupted by demons. It's so excited about corrupting this sweet child. That's not usually how it works. The best way to not get an attachment, normally, in normal cases, is just not to be an asshole, that's so easy.
I love that it sounds so cheesy, but it's like being kind to yourself with your inner dialogue, being kind to people out in the world. Helping a stranger if you see someone needs help and is struggling with something, buying someone a coffee if you can.
Giving up your seat on the bus? Very simple things to protect yourself. Every time you create kindness, it's the opposite of what that entity is looking for. It raises once again little things to not only raise your vibration, but starts to raise the dynamic around you and trickles it out to other people.
We're in a society right now that is incredibly selfish. Overall, it's not everybody. Thank God, we see the effects of entity every day. Let me tell you.
Big time.
Being selfish is the easiest way to get entity and attachment, because you're so insular and unconscious about everybody else's experience. The more we open ourselves up to other people's experience, and the more we allow that in. And we're like, actually, wow, this person is also having a bad day today. I can relate to that. I'm not going to get something worse to deal with with my attitude or my whatever.
Right, that helps you not get attachment, that's it.
That makes sense, yeah, and it's easy. Just don't be a dick, just don't be a dick.
You think it's easy, I know.
Well, it's not for some people, and if you're having a bad day, I guess, well. And you saying one of the important parts of that is being kind to yourself. That's the hard part, which I think is one of the hardest things.
I think it's much easier not to be a dick to people around you. But, like, I am very guilty of being a complete asshole to myself all the time. And like Ash is my self-care guru, she's always telling me self-care is important and I've been trying to listen to her.
Because you do so much for everybody else and I'm like, Hello, who's number one? And I can be really critical of myself. I get imposter syndrome a lot, I'm constantly being like, Yeah, no, you don't deserve that.
Why are you getting that? And so I'm constantly having to come and I can feel it how negative it is when I do that to myself. So, especially lately, I feel like you've been like, I'm gonna give it to Ash. Ash has been helping me to be like, No, no, be kind to yourself, it feels better.
And I feel like I'm a better person when I'm kinder to myself. Of course, it's weird, I told Elena, and maybe you can explain this to me. I woke up in the middle. This is so strange and I've never really had an experience like this. But I woke up in the middle of the night a week ago, maybe. And I just said to myself, Elena needs to do reiki on her stomach and I should tell her that. And then I. It was like I was barely conscious.
It was just like I woke up, had that thought, fell right back to sleep. And so I told her the next day, and I said, specifically on her stomach. And that was the only thing that came through, I guess, but I don't know where that came from.
I mean, again, high empaths and you're so linked.
Yeah, that's true.
Like some wild dream or some wild situation going on, and you must have felt that. Yeah, I was just like, Oh, I felt that.
Yeah, like, you just went. Because she told me as soon as we got to work the next morning, she was like, last night, I woke up in the middle of the night and you need to do this. I was like, Wow, and I should do it, and it was like, specifically your stomach.
Yeah.
I was like, damn.
I woke up and this happened and you got to go do it. And I'd be like, I'm listening to that right away, yeah.
As soon as she said it, I was like, I should do that. And you said, you've been, and I didn't even know, but you said you've had some stomach stuff going on lately. Yeah, because we've been so stressed out in the last few weeks. So I was a tribute, and I'm sure it was mostly because of that, absolutely.
That I've just been like, I never have stomach issues, I'm a very, my stomach's like steel. What's that like? I'm like my dad, I can wake up in the middle of the night and eat Buffalo chicken and it's fine. Oh, I wish.
But the last couple, I've just been like, Ugh, I'm just feeling off and I think it mostly is because of stress. But I was like, Oh, maybe I should do that to help me out.
And you're going through, you're going through things, so sometimes that makes you just more susceptible to everything. So you probably got hit from that and was like, Oh, nope, we gotta get that before it gets in, Nope.
It's true, I love that, look at us just being connected and shit, I love it, that's so cool.
So now that we know a little bit more about all the entities themselves, what does a typical day for you? I mean, because this is your whole last job, what does a typical day for you look like dealing with all of these different things?
Well, you know, if it's a space, I get called to do the space, I go, and unless I know whatever's there is there, I kind of go. Take a look-see at the space. And then, you know, diagnose, I guess, if you will. What needs to be done and what I need to bring and how I need to do it? I don't like taking other people, so I'm always kind of a lone wolf in this situation, I don't like being responsible for other people's safety. Because in spaces, since an entity can hold a space, they can take that whole place down if they want to. Wow.
I mean, I've been in spaces where they've taken sinks off walls and done all kinds of. So they don't usually attack you with themselves. I've only had that happen once, but they'll pull stuff to attack you, you know? So if you've got a lot of people around, that's harder to control, yeah.
Higher probability of getting an injury, that's a liability.
They cause a lot of mass sickness too, like mass headaches, mass whatever or injury. Yeah, just everything. So I like to go in by myself, which is not the most fun.
Yeah, no.
You're brave, it's like you don't have a backup.
Yeah, so.
You're just like, Okay. Occasionally I'll go into if the space is really bad, like with one medium, so I don't have to do that work. While like, if it's a collector, I can let the medium sort of handle those while I work on just the entity. So in a space, depending on how big it is, that could last 13 14 hours. Wow, can't stop once you start.
Not on a person or a space.
Wow, oh okay. And why is that?
Well, because it starts to agitate the entity that will start fighting back, and so I have had that happen. So, like I said, you know, when it's a space in particular, an entity can control people en masse. So I once I clean a lot of sets, I'm asked to do consulting on a lot of horror films.
That's cool TV shows because they're like, we're recreating this horrible, terrible thing in the space, or like, in another space that's wildly just as bad. And so we want to make sure that we don't, you know, have trouble. Yeah, so I was doing one of those spaces.
Actually, this happened twice. A space like that and I'll go on to set. I'll bring my little toolkit and my, you know, all my resins and all my Bs, and like, you know, start setting it up. And inevitably.
Well, at least in these two times, I keep thinking it's going to happen again, though, I just keep thinking it's going to happen again. I'll have somebody come up to me and say, Oh, who are you? and I'll be like, Well, this is what I'm here for.
This is what I'm supposed to be doing. And they'll be like, Oh, no, no, we're not doing that today. We can't do that. Like it's a fire hazard, or it's a you know, I wasn't told about this, or you're not on the list, or, you know, whatever, and I don't argue with that anymore.
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