Episode 509: Alvin and Judith Ann Neelley Part 1

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And I'm Alayna, and this is morbid.

This is morbid, morbid. On Mikey's birth week. Woo, it's Mikey's birthday soon, so this morning we decorated the whole entire pod lab. It looks a little low-budget, but....

She was looking at the streamers that I hung when she said that it wasn't just about your streamers. My work is interesting as well. I scotch-taped the birthday sign, but we got a cake.

But we got a gorgeous autumnal cake from this delicious bakery that we know of. That we ate for breakfast, yeah, we literally ate cake for breakfast. We all had cake for breakfast. And I got this cool candle from Target.

It's called a mega candle. okay, cool is an interesting way to describe that candle, because it is cool.

Ash, I'm going to explain to you what it did while I was holding it. Yeah, so you, it's cool if you're like an arsonist.

Which you're not, and nor am I. That's rude. The arsonist listening is like, Um, excuse me, actually I am.

So tell me about this candle, it's a lot, you know? You light the middle of it and there's like all these petals with other candles attached to it, so you light this thing in the middle. And then slowly it lights all the other candles and then it shoots all the petals out and it starts fucking going around in a circle.

And the fire was just.

The first? As soon as Ash lit it, this bonfire erupted from the middle of it. I was like, Oh, we're all going to die. I thought I was going to have to stop, drop and roll immediately.

And then it just shot open and all these little fires and I was like, what are we doing in here? Yeah, childish gambino started playing. It was crazy.

Oh my god, I was like, John's going to have questions. When we burn half the house down, honestly, a lot of smoke shot up and we were standing like right under the smoke detector. But, you know, birthdays.

And then it wouldn't stop, Listen, it's cool, but it wouldn't stop, like, humming Happy birthday. It was like a music box kind of, so we had to rip the fucking cord out of there, yeah.

So that was our morning. Yeah, and it's not going to get less chaotic from here because the story I have is pretty fucking awful. Oh yeah, it's going to be weird telling this story with like streamers and like balloons on the ground.

It's actually really upsetting thinking about it that way. Actually, I'm looking around, like, Oh, this is going to be split into two parts. She's got a two part, we got a two part, because there's just a lot, a lot happening, a lot going on.

And you know, you're going to absorb this in two phases, because I'm going to absorb this in two phases. I don't like that. You're using the word absorb, yeah, and you know what?

Sometimes we we will record a two parter or multi parter, like in one day, yeah, like, back to back, but we'll just release them, you know? Spread in, like, absorb again, like, I didn't want to say, absorbable in, like, palatable, palatable chunks for you guys. And this one. I was like, we're going to record this in two different days because I don't want to talk about the whole thing at once.

So that's like, that's how, it's just upsetting. It's not a nice situation. None of these are, but no, but some, you know, some hits you just in different ways, right, right?

This is the story of Alvin and Judith. Ann Neely. Oh, I've heard of them. Yeah, yeah, 70s.

Yeah, yeah, well, actually. Early 80s. Oh OK, some of it happened in the.

Yeah, yeah, it's not great. Early 80s crimes and in like true crime have a certain feel to them. Yeah, they do.

They have a vibe that I don't, I don't. The 80s do well with were wild, yeah.

Like every decade was wild in its own way, the 80s have a certain. It's like a grimy wild it is.

Because it's like the griminess of the 70s, kind of like leaks into the early griminess of the 80s. And then it mixes with some like, Day glow colors, and it gets weird. Yeah, grimy and day glow don't go together, but they do.

In the 80s, they sure do so, go for it. So, on September 11th, 1982, Ken Dooley, a Youth Development Center employee in Rome, Georgia, was shot at in his home by an unseen attacker. He wasn't shot, but he was shot at.

And in his home, you said, In his home, Jesus, by some unseen attacker outside. And the following day, his coworker, Linda Adair, was also attacked when someone threw a whole molotov cocktail at her house in an attempt to kill her.

Jesus Christ. And again, these are coworkers at the Youth Development Center in Rome, Georgia. So obviously something's going on here. And although neither Dooley nor Adair knew at the time, these were actually just the first attacks in a violent, senseless and very confusing crime spree that was committed by Alvin and Judith. Ann Neely Oh man.

At the time, they were a married couple. Who, I mean, their brutality is up there. And you wonder, like, how people like this find each other? We say that all the time, this one when we get to find out how they found each other. And when you see the entire thing, you're like, Wow, yeah.

This is just this is just like, especially Judy. She did not. I mean, she didn't have a lot of chance here, but what she turned into is a monster. I mean, unthinkable, it really is unthinkable.

Yeah, I know that this is like a really gnarly case and I know the name of it, but I definitely don't know all the details. Yeah, a little trepidatious, just like, let you know ahead of time. There is like, speak of sexual assault, there's speak of rape.

There's some really gnarly stuff in here, so just like, be warned, yeah, um, Alvin, though he's, he's a very confusing case study, I would say, because we're going to talk about it. That he kind of didn't really have any signs in the beginning or nothing that we are being told of or confined. But when you find out certain things that happened in his teenage years and later, you're like, that didn't just come out of nowhere from his childhood here. Like, something's off, something's awry.

I don't know so. Alvin Howard Neely Jr. was born July 15th, 1953, in Treon, Georgia, Acanthia. I had to look up how to say Treon, Georgia, because I didn't, I didn't want to mess it up.

It was one of those weird pronunciations and have you guys ever used? because I know, I know like people are obsessed with pronunciations everywhere. So when you look it up on the internet, you get several different kinds, one of them is pronouncednames.com. And that one's very like, this is how you say the.

French guy who's like, hold on, hold on, let me tell you how to say this, and you're like, Ooh, the way you say this name is this.

And you're like, Oh my goodness, and you love it, and he has a very comforting voice. It's very Jacques Pepin. Oh, I love it. And then there's a whole fucking robot.

And then there's an, Yeah, there's AI, there's just a robot, and I got that one. But it tells you Treon, Georgia, and it's like, Treon, Georgia, and then it says, a wonderful place to live. And I said, That's good, it's weird.

So that's Treon, Georgia. It's apparently a small, pretty rural community, about two hours from Atlanta. Okay, you said, rural, so good there.

Rural Yeah, it's hard, sometimes. rural. Juror.

Alvin was the youngest of three children and his early life, like I said, pretty unremarkable, like, very normal, according to all the things we can find. Allegedly. He had a good home life, he was well liked at school and the community. He ended up really getting a reputation for being very charming.

He was like a little jokester, a little prankster, but nothing. When he was younger. It was nothing like, Oh, he was a prankster and he was pissing people off. And he's like, Oh, he's just like a little jokester. He's a little charmer, you know, okay? And he was described as always having a smiling face, so he was just always happy.

Interesting, according to author Thomas Cook, it was a great childhood, filled with days of hunting and fishing and hanging out with the other boy scouts. His childhood was a festival of joy. Wow, a festival of joy.

Unrelatable. I was like, who can relate to that? I don't know if I've ever experienced a festival of joy. Oh, I've experienced a festival of joy, but I'm like, what the fuck?

Like, he raised his hand and said, Today, today, this is an off brand, a festival of joy.

A store-bought festival of joy, it just sounds, that's so, that's incredible, that sentence, like the entirety of your childhood, everything, festival of joy.

Never had a bad day? No shit, not Alvin. I mean, that's what that says to me, like, never had a bad day.

Yeah, that's what it sounds like. By the time he went to Fort McHenry Elementary School, he had learned that. His charm and his very easygoing personality, his smile, his niceness, it was a way he could draw people to him. Yeah, that's how he was going to get friends. And he also learned in elementary school that he could use it to his advantage a little while.

Oh yeah, a little bit cool. So he quickly became the class clown. He really loved making everybody laugh.

He would disrupt class a lot, but nothing like crazy. He wasn't getting into trouble really that much, it was just kind of he was. That kid I was always, and I wasn't like a brainiac or anything like. I wasn't like, I'm trying to listen to the teacher, but like those kids always pissed me off.

The kids that would like distract class just shut the fuck up. Yeah, that always pissed me off then, and it still pisses me off now. Yeah, yeah.

Like, whenever the girls will tell me about somebody who's like, always fucking around in class, I'm like, honestly, don't hang out with them. Shut the fuck up, kids, they're lacking something, yeah.

Don't hang out with them. Everyone who wants class clowns in school is like, Oh yeah, totally enough. They're like, Fuck you guys, I'm just kidding, that's fine.

But yeah, he loved to make his classmates laugh, and once he got into, like adolescence, like early adolescence, he started using his charm and humor to pick up gals.

And you know, they would go to the local swimming pool, do these like really wholesome things, and he would always, especially the local swimming pool. Was like the big thing there because there was not a lot going on in that town, so it was like, what town is it, Georgia? It was a tree on Georgia.

I just said, What town was that? Georgia? It was in the town of Georgia. That's good, yeah.

You know, small town, but this was a rural community, so it's like this. The town pool was like the thing to do in the late Seventies, you know, it checks. And when he would go there, he was the center of attention, of course.

And apparently so Cook, that author that I mentioned before, also wrote. It got so the pool owner would let him in for free, just so the other people would show up and pay the entrance price. Wow, so he was the fucking, his childhood was a fucking festival.

That is a festival of joy. I guess I don't think anybody's wrong. I never had that happen. So this all sounds like holy shit, like he's even getting it, like he's a celeb.

He's a bougie kid, they're letting him into places for, they're letting him into the club for free so that other people come. Yeah, no cover, yeah.

And he's like early adolescence, he's an influencer, but then something happened. He was, I should say, when he reached high school.

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And I don't know what happened, we can't figure out what happened. But he hit high school and he was still a charmer, still had that reputation, was still like thriving in that way. But he started taking like a dark turn in his personality, he was moodier.

He suddenly started developing, or at least finally showing, a very explosive temper, huh? That didn't seem to be present before, okay, and he began committing petty crimes.

Out of nowhere. That eventually escalated to car theft. Shit. So like we went from festival of joy to like, hitting high school and something really changing. And there was like, no tragedy within the family friend group.

Not that I could find. I mean, he was an active kid, so he was in boy scouts, like he was in that kind of stuff. I don't know if something happened in, like some kind of, you know, like TBI.

You don't know, right? you really don't know, so it's like, I don't. I couldn't put, I couldn't find anything right.

And neither could Dave. We were like, what the fuck happened to this guy? But that's so, he's escalating already, he's doing petty crimes. Like, you know, car theft is pretty big.

And in 1973, when he was 20 years old, he met a 15 year old named Joanne Browning No, 20 years old and a 15 year old. Fucking gross.

Joanne was an acquaintance of Alvin's half-brother, Benny Farrington, who worked at the local grocery store in Dalton, Georgia, and that's how they met. Joanne found Alvin so charming. Because, remember, he's still a charmer, he's a jokester. You know, when you're 15 and some older guy's showing interest in you. And despite their wild age difference, they began dating. Where were Joanne's parents?

So this 20 year old man is dating a 15 year old girl like, what the fuck do you guys have in common? Nothing? So. In early 1974, not long after they had began dating. Joanne actually moved in with Alvin and quickly became pregnant with what would be the first of the couple's three children. Yeah.

And at this point was he living on his own? At this point? Yeah, okay, so at first, and I think he had at certain points, he had gotten like an apartment by himself. And then he would move back in with his parents. So at times, he and his wife or wives, we'll find out, will move in with his parents sometimes.

Okay, now. At first, you know, they seemed like they had a pleasant existence together. Whatever is happening in there. But it didn't take long before Joanne finally saw that violent temper, and she finally discovered that he was very quick to anger.

Oh, no, so. Years later, on the witness stand, Joanne described the first time that Alvin physically assaulted her, which had occurred early in her pregnancy.

Now, according to Joanne, she said, And this is like trigger warning like this is pretty upsetting, she said. Quote Alvin had beaten her on the breasts and arms and had stretched the corners of her mouth with his fingers. What the fuck, yeah, isn't that just like, fucked up?

That's just strange and horrible, yeah. And she told the jury that this was the first of countless times that he assaulted her. He stretched her mouth, Yeah.

What? And he would assault her every time he got mad about anything after that and knowing full well that she was pregnant. Oh, yeah, he didn't care.

The fuck now. Alvin and Joanne got married after this in Cleveland, Tennessee, in January 1975, and this is when they moved back in with Alvin's mother at the time. That's just such a sad like dichotomy. Oh, it's horrific.

Because walking down the aisle, like knowing what he does, knowing what he does. And you're like, I think of it, like you're walking toward, like your future, like happiness, and like joy. And you're the best guy I know. And it's like, you're walking towards somebody that beats the shit out of you and he's convincing you, like, Oh, like, I'm sure he's doing that.

I'm sorry, and I'm sure he's doing that, I'll never do it again. But some little part of you walking down that aisle is like some little voice in your head is scared, you're walking towards someone you're afraid of.

That's so fucked, it's awful. I feel so hard for her. And what's worse is they moved in with Alvin's mother, and even the presence of her didn't do anything to stop the domestic violence, really.

This is, this is where I say, what happened? Yeah, like, how do you turn a blind eye to your son in that house, beating his pregnant wife? That idyllic childhood, that, like, was a festival of joy.

Right? But then he's moving in with his wife and beating the shit out of her while she's pregnant. In front of you and you're not saying anything. I don't know about that, like, I'm not saying anything because I don't know anything.

I'm just saying, that's strange to me. Yeah, that's a strange. I don't know. That doesn't, that doesn't. The math ain't math in there for me, but I don't know. But Alvin used to be super paranoid that Joanne was having affairs with men in the neighborhood.

That was like his obsessive thing, and this was something that would send him into jealous rages a lot. And he would physically assault her because of the paranoia. And then would also drag her on wild goose chases to go search the neighborhood for her imagined like affair partners. Oh, that is.

Like, he would like literally bring her to every house and be like, Is it him? is it him? That's so scary that he was that paranoid. And he also insisted that she serve him and be submissive in every way. At home. Oh, no.

She had to bathe him, comb his hair and dress him. Why did he even want that? That's bizarre. This is why I'm questioning his what happened, yeah.

What happened? Something's off here, that's weird. I'm like, live your life the way you want to, and if two people are consenting to that, that's one thing.

But something's off here. That's bizarre to me, just like you're forcing her to bathe you as a grown ass man. Yeah. And there were also times when he would just randomly become violent with her for no reason.

Like, there was no trigger, even in his own mind. And she said, He would sometimes hit me with his fists, sometimes just hit me with his whole arm. And of course, I would run from him, trying to protect myself by hiding in other rooms, but he would bust the door down, Oh my God.

So he's just like a raging bull, like, what the fuck is going on here? And then to think that three children were eventually witness to that is so fucked up. It's horrific now. Although he may have felt powerful and dominant in his home life, with his wife and his children outside the home, Alvin was just a complete fucking failure of a human being.

Yeah, yeah, I just had a feeling fucking loser. From the moment he began working, he struggled to maintain a job.

He would travel from one town to the next in search of work, and he would just drag his whole family with him, of course. And eventually, he became so demanding that Joanne, Um, or he, he became so demanding that she finally agreed. When he brought up the idea of committing robberies of convenience stores that he worked at in Dalton and Calhoun, Georgia. Because he was like, Well, I can't keep a job, so let's just steal money, let's just rob places.

Come on, kids. And she was so demanding and scary that she agreed and she claimed, out of fear for her safety and safety of their children. I believe now. At one point, Joanne couldn't handle it anymore.

So she ran away and left the children with him, which I'm like, why did you leave the children with him? Yeah, and he threatened to, like, kill them if she didn't return, so she did, that's the thing.

Like, you're leaving, that's the thing I was like, That's scary. Yeah, yeah.

But she came back and again. But we also have to remember, she's a child, yeah, like she was 15, she's still a teenager.

Probably, like, at this point, she's still a teenager. Wow. And so she brought her 13 year old sister with her when she came back. Because, like, I think, she just thought it would be some kind of like, comfort.

I mean, you're, yeah, I can't even imagine this. And she thought her presence would maybe mitigate what was happening here, but she was mistaken. Because almost immediately, Alvin began physically assaulting Joanne right in front of her 13 year old sister, and attempted to sexually assault her sister that evening. EW What the fuck. He only stopped when Joanne threatened to kill him.

Wow. And her sister returned home to her mother's house the next day, completely traumatized, of course, now. The cycle of abuse continued for several more months. And Joanne would like every now and then just flee to her mother's house. But was always brought back by him, so, so sad.

Until finally, in 1977, she left for good, and she left her three children with him.

Huh, I don't get that, but that's just me, yeah, but I've never been in that position, I don't either.

But I'm just saying, personally, I don't get leaving, leaving them with him. I would never leave my children with someone like that. No. But through her testimony in court, it was clear that Joanne Browning hated Alvin Neely. Obviously, like, had deep seated hate for him, finally.

I think it. I think it took her a long time to get to that place, but she fucking hated him. I mean, who wouldn't? And but there and there, and there's no doubt that he is an abusive piece of shit. Like, for sure, but I guess there was questions about the like, how exaggerated some of the moments were. Like the attorneys were questioning it, yeah.

Because there was like times when it didn't add up. So they thought maybe it was being like, like certain instances were being exaggerated. A little bit, okay, but either way, he was an abusive prick, that's the thing. And I don't. I don't really understand why. Like, they felt the need to nitpick that, because it's like, even if she is exaggerating it, like, okay, whatever, like.

You can't really prove that either way. Yeah, that's the other thing, and it's like, But either way, he's an abusive piece of shit, yeah.

Abuse is abuse is abuse. Like, he's an abusive piece of shit, so it's like, you know? And then what this shows is that he's one violent as fuck. Regardless of how like, detailed, or whatever any of the claims were, what we know is he's a violent, abusive piece of shit.

Absolutely, that is for sure, a hundred percent. And we also know that this shows that he has an interest in teenage girls, yeah.

Like, he has clearly established a pattern of being a fucking pig, right in every way you can. Also tried to assault her 13-year-old sister.

He tried to assault her 13-year-old sister, tried to sexually assault her, and he met her when she was 15. And that's the other thing that like, like, I'm like, okay, that they're like, trying to figure out the validity of the claims of each instance. It's like, okay. But either way, even her sister is claiming that this happened. So it's like, yeah, regardless of anything, he's fucked up.

Clearly, but either way, as like, finally, their relationship ended for good, which is which was a very good thing for Joanne. But he did keep the kids. I think eventually she was able to also have some kind of custody.

Yeah, I don't. I wasn't able to follow that all the way through. That's so complicated, yeah. But Alvin had already found himself a new romantic interest, and it was a 15-year-old girl.

And how old is he now? and at this point he is? When is this? He met her in 1973, right? Yeah, and then I think three years later they got divorced, and you say, 1976.

1977.

So he's almost 24 years old and a 15-year-old, so he's literally almost 10 years. Her senior, Yeah, and this girl was Judith Ann Adams.

Oh, okay, is this part of the reason why she was doomed? Yeah, yeah, now. Unlike her future husband and eventually literal partner in crime, Judith did not have an idyllic childhood.

No, not a festival of joy, no. She was born June 7th, 1964, in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, Gemini.

She was the third of five children. She had an older brother and sister and two younger brothers, so she was right in the middle. And they were a solidly middle-class family, you know, their father had steady work as a carpenter.

He was a construction worker. And things, you know, even got better. In 1973 because her father, James Adams, started his own construction company. Oh wow, and James worked a lot. Obviously, he owned his own construction company, so he was gone a lot.

Yeah, and when he got home, he was kind of distant, he just wanted to have a few beers and go to sleep. He wasn't really like playing with his kids. You know, it was such a different time, too.

But by all accounts, he was not outwardly abusive. From what I've read, unless, you know, that just isn't, you know, knowledge. But, according to Judy, she loved her dad. She had a very close bond with him. Even though they didn't see each other a lot. She loved what she saw, okay?

And that's when tragedy struck, on March 31st, 1974, when James had a few beers and jumped on his motorcycle. Oh, no, and the details of the accident aren't, like, completely clear. But somehow he hit a highway guardrail. Oh no, and he was dragged about 100 feet between his bike and the guardrail.

Oh my. And eventually, he was flung into the air and died immediately when he hit the pavement. Yeah, that's a brutal way to go, an awful way to go.

And the death of their father hit all the Addams children really hard, but Judy was only nine years old when it happened. Wow, and she took it the hardest out of all of them, of course.

Thomas Cook said she had always been the quiet one, but for a long time after that, she seemed to turn to stone. That's really sad. And so, you know, her mother, Barbara, was left with, you know, her husband's small social security pension and eight acres of land on the outskirts of Murfreesboro. And she kind of struggled to provide for five children at that point, five kids.

That's a lot of fucking kids, a lot of kids. So she took a job at Heatcraft, which was a local refrigeration factory, and used the eight acres as space for the double-wide trailer home that eventually housed the whole family. Okay, and so, less than a year after James Addams died, Barbara began dating.

Yeah, that's tough for the kids, I guess. Yeah, like, I understand needing to move on and that's her right to do so. But I can imagine that was hard for the kids. Absolutely. And it upset Judy.

Of course, especially because she was so close to her dad. Yeah, and it was exceptionally horrible when Barbara went out on a date one night and got into a very minor car accident. But it was discovered that night that her boyfriend that she had been going out with for some time was a teenage boy.

Oh, mm-hmm, okay. So I don't think it was a super normal. Like Barbara just moving on after her husband dies, kind of thing sounds like she was kind of...

Bucked up, Yeah, so Barbara was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Oh, and she and her family were humiliated by this.

And she ended up having to leave her job and basically, like, hid herself away in her trailer. Yikes, which is nice that she was a predator, got caught being a predator and then just decided to hide away from her children and let them fend for themselves. Yeah, that was really great of her, It's like that was a really good...

Jesus Christ, this story is so marked with tragedy, full of predators and predators. Alvin's a predator.

Like, Barbara's a predator, they're all fucked up, yeah.

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And Judy, at a very young age, being right smack dab in the middle. She ended up taking over all the chores in the trailer, like taking care of her younger siblings, like, she really took over, yeah. And after all this, the family really slipped into a bad way. Because following their mother's horrible example, the older kids just grew lazy, started skipping school regularly. They didn't, you know, they're just following an example here. SETH Well, they don't have, all they have is their mom left.

And where's she? And Judy's in the middle trying. And so they all just spent days like hanging around, drinking beer, watching TV, not really doing anything. Oh, no.

And meanwhile, Barbara continued to decline to the point where she spent most of her time using a CB radio, like a truck radio. Kind of like candy cane, where she would meet men who would show up at the house with beers and just spend time with her.

So just, you know, this is so bleak, yeah. So Judy spent a lot of her time outside of the home trying to escape all this. I believe that.

I would as well. She focused on school, she made honor Roll Wow and joined the cheerleading team in eighth grade.

And after school, she participated in 4-H Club and The Future Homemakers of America. Wow, I didn't even know that was a thing. Did not know that either. And she just really focused on school, was trying to. She wanted to become a nurse someday.

She was like she had dreams, she was like, ready to go. It's crazy that, like in this shit storm, she's kind of thriving in certain areas. But something was off where she was very. She became like a harder person because she had to, yeah.

Out of her circumstances, and I think it led to her, she hardened too much. Yeah, she hardened a little too much.

And I think this piece of shit man took full advantage of a slightly broken child here, absolutely, and it's really fucked up. And what Judy ends up doing means that there was a monster inside of her all along, and he just brought it out.

And when you look at, you know, her, her mother there, something's off there, obviously. And so, you know, there was something in there that he just happened to. I don't know if he ended up, if he could see it, or if. He just stumbled upon a vulnerable young girl. And he was able to pry this monster out of her. But it's, it's really upsetting all the way around. Oh, no, so one afternoon in early 1979, Alvin Neely and his friend Dan Hartley, two grown ass men, yeah.

He's like, 26. At this point, were driving out to meet a woman Dan had met on the CB radio. Shut your fucking pie hole. yup, shut your fucking pie hole.

He was talking Dan, his friends was talking to Barbara on the CB radio, and Dan spotted a CB antenna on top of the trailer. And he was like, here it is. This is where she is, so she likes like younger men, because at this point she's much older and he's like in his twenties.

And then the guy he's bringing along with him is going to love the daughter. Oh God, this is fucked. Dan was very excited to meet this gal in person. But it was the woman's 15 year old daughter, Judy, that really caught Alvin's attention.

Oh, no, yup, I'm so uncomfortable. Yeah. So Judy came out to talk to them because she was always in charge of everything.

Being like, you need a beer, yeah. And when Dan and Barbara, you know, Dan and Barbara went off and started drinking beers together in Barbara's room. And Alvin sat with Judy in the next room talking, and apparently they had a lot in common, according to them, 26 and 15..

Which says a lot about Alvin. Sure does, uh. They spent all night and well into the next morning talking and laughing. Uh, we have a grown ass man connecting and flirting with a 15 year old child, that's so heinous.

He later said If anyone had stepped in between us, they'd had been burned up in the sparks. With a 15 year old dude, you're pushing 30 like, what the actual fuck like?

The amount of predators around this girl right now are outrageous. That is so, so gross now. After this, they became inseparable. It was this was the moment that they met. Like you were wondering, how did these people come together?

Well, don't worry, they're just surrounded by predators, like she's just surrounded by predators, so they were just naturally brought into her life. This story is putrid.

They did everything together, they developed this weird, intense bond that was like obsessive with each other, like us against the world kind of thing. Oh, very much, very much.

I saw that coming from a mile away. And she spilled about her troubled home life, her father's death, how she was still grieving. It's so sad. Alvin listened, he didn't share a lot about his at first.

But finally, they'd been together a couple of months and Alvin admitted to Judy, Well, I am still married. Oh, I forgot that he was still married. Yeah, she just left. They didn't divorce, and his wife, he insisted, was, quote, a liar and a cheat.

And she'd still been married to another man when he married her, which is not true. She was 15 years old. Alvin insisted his relationship with Joanne had been over for a long time and he had every intention of divorcing her. Which Judy was like, Of course, I'm 15..

Yeah, like, I don't know nothing about this. When Judy went back to school for her sophomore year at Oakland High School, Oh my god, he met her when she was a freshman. Yeah, a freshman.

In high school, she thought she was a full adult at this point, like she's feeling like she's dating a whole adult.

And she's spending all her time with Alvin, especially since her siblings just hung around doing nothing. And her mother was also just like a fucking loser. And living with Dan Hartley now, oh God, he moved in, he just never left.

That's good. So now Dan Hartley is living in that trailer with her and all those kids. Yeah, exactly, yeah. At the end of 1979, Alvin and Judy discussed marriage, and she decided that she was going to leave high school.

Remember, she had all these dreams? She was going to be a nurse, She was an honor student, a cheerleader, She was in all these clubs, She had dreams of becoming a nurse. And he just came in.

And she leaves school for this fucking loser. Oh, that's awful. He finally ended up divorcing Joanne, and Judy ended up moving in with Alvin's mother in Cleveland, Tennessee. This motherfucker is still living with his mom. I got questions for his mom.

I'm so fucking lewdy. I got questions. If my future child, at 26 years old, came home with a 15 year old, he would be so far out on his ass. It would be next Wednesday, exactly.

That's why I'm like, get the fuck out of here, I don't know about this, I'd call the cops myself, exactly.

I'd be like, You fucking creep, what are you doing? like, How did I fuck you up this bad? Yeah. So she ended up moving in with the mom in Cleveland, Tennessee, and Alvin stayed in Murfreesboro to keep working and making money.

And then he was going to move in. And she's like, Oh, how do you like my whole ass? Adult son? like, Hello child, like you just have a child living with you now, literally.

Now, once Alvin had saved up some money, he and Judy finally moved in together. I like that you combined Judy, and finally, I know Judy.

They got a small apartment in Rome, Georgia, and then they ended up moving to a small motel room in Kennesaw, Georgia. They loved a motel room. That's upsetting. Alvin found work at a convenience store across the street from this place. Judy, again had quit school.

So she started just hanging out at the store, stocking shelves, hanging out, helping out. Alvin was already back to his criminal bullshit because he couldn't hang on to a job. And one night after stealing the day's deposits from his job. They just ran away to Alabama to escape any of the consequences. Oh, okay, just stole the register money.

And just never came back good, and then just never came back now. Alvin was shocked to see that Judy was very willing to be an accomplice to all his criminal ideas. All of it.

Like, she was just like, Okay, let's go, and it's like, Yeah, because you've groomed her, yeah, and she's literally a child, yeah.

She has nowhere else to go, right? And after settling in Dawson, Georgia, they both found work at the Zippy market until Judy was robbed one evening. But the store's owner firmly believes it was an inside job.

Their lives were a fucking mess together. That winter. They would settle in some small town, find a job, usually at like, a convenience store or some market. Steal the money they would steal from the register, and then they'd just hit the road again and get out of there. Wow.

They were like a stupid Bonnie and Clyde together, and the routine was briefly interrupted in mid-July because they stopped off in Ringhold, Georgia, to get married. And then it was just right back to everything that they were doing before. More motel rooms, more convenience stores. Just this grimy ass existence, truly.

Grimy is the perfect word for it. That fall, Judy learned she was six months pregnant. Oh, no, but they just kept on robbing, being assholes, continuing their life. And she's like, 16, 17..

Yeah, and she found out she was six months pregnant, so it's like, Wow, that's that's pretty pregnant. Yeah, that's more than halfway there, it's a very, very pregnant.

You know that all this craziness had to pause, though, because the fall of 1980. They were arrested when robbing a woman at gunpoint in the parking lot of the Riverbend Mall. Oh, Alvin was sentenced to five years at the Walker Correctional Institute in Lafayette. And Judy was still underage, so she was taken to the Rome Youth Development Center. Just pregnant and all.

Remember, I don't know if you remember, at the beginning of this, the Rome Youth Development Center. That was where the two people, the guy, the person that got shot at in his home and the person who had a Molotov cocktail thrown in their house, they worked there. Oh, okay, uh. While she was there, she gave birth to twins.

Just two days after arriving, she found out she was pregnant with twins six months in. Yes, as someone who has carried twins in their body, I am shocked. I don't know.

I mean, people.

Because at six months, people were like, Oh, you must be ready to pop, and I was like, I am not. People go like, full-fledged, so yeah, I mean, who knows?

Like full-term wild, Alvin and Judy sent letters back and forth several times a week, their correspondence. They mainly stayed like, very romantic, very like. We love each other, we're obsessed with each other. It got like, kind of explicit.

They were weird and like, stressful.

Don't look for them. But every now and then, Alvin's jealous paranoia would show through. Yeah, in one, he said, I'll put my love where it will be returned, he said. So he's basically like threatening her, like, I'll leave you and go find someone else.

Like, You don't love me, okay? And then he said, You can't have me and play around, too. And Alvin wasn't the only paranoid one, because Judy also was accusing him of being unfaithful and said a lot. In her letters, she said I'll take care of her when I get out.

Referring to like, an imaginary woman, interesting, and she said, None of them are woman enough to try to take you from me when I get out. I want to be clear. They were both in jail at this time. Yeah, so how, like, what are you even talking about?

And they're not in co-ed jails, like they're in like, and they're not talking about. Like, she's not talking about a man that he's cheating on her with, or she's talking, he's talking about a woman. Yeah, no, they're like accusing each other of cheating on each other with the opposite sex when they're not near the opposite sex.

Yeah, like, I just want to be clear, like, I'm very. This shows you how deluded that they both were, yup, and how paranoid and like obsessive they were.

Yeah, it's like a weird, I don't know, but again, very strange. And they had this like strange and upsetting devotion to each other, while also having this big disdain for the world and people around them. Like you said before, very us-against-everyone-else mentality.

They believed everyone was out to get them, Of course no one understood them, they had to strike back at people. Judy was released from the Youth Detention Center in November 1981 and returned to Cleveland, Tennessee, to live with Alvin's parents and the twins. Because, remember, twin babies?

Twin babies, Yup. Unfortunately, it didn't take long for her to revert to that criminal lifestyle again. And less than two weeks after she was released, she was arrested for robbing a gas station and was sent back to the center. Two weeks.

What the fuck? She was released in March 1982, but she went, and she went back to living with Alvin's parents. But she seemed to be like, and apparently they like, were fine, like they were taking care of her, but they kind of, she like, resented them in a weird way. Like she wrote to Alvin at one point, talking about his dad, I can't stand that son of a bitch.

Your dad still raises hell every now and then, but he won't say anything to me. If he ever does, he knows he'll regret it. This also leads me to believe, like, what happened in that house? Exactly? This doesn't sound like a regular situation. Like, I'm very confused.

No, not at all. We're getting little bits and pieces, little breadcrumbs of something that went down in there. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on there. Yeah, that's just like, It's just weird. Yeah, it's very strange.

And it's very. And seeing her how she's talking, like he won't say anything to me or he'll regret it. It's like, I can see what's happening here. Like, that's what I mean when I say, like, she had to be that way growing up, so she acts that way. But Alvin was finally released from the Walker Correction Institute at the end of April 1982, and Judy met him at the bus station.

And, you know, it went right back to what it was before. They were obsessed with each other, you know, they would. They had this, like, really, because he had, which is also like a red flag to me. He had this very like. Aggressively intense sex drive, too, which we see a lot in these cases where it's couples, it's like unfulfilling.

In almost every case where it's couples, actually, we see that the man usually has a strangely high and aggressive sex drive. Yeah, like multiple times a day, or he's going to beat the shit out of you, and that's how it was.

And she's a child. And soon but soon, reality set back in. They had no jobs, so they turned right back to the criminal ways, and they would steal checks from mailboxes, they would forge money orders.

They would rob people in places. It was chaos and sorry, they still have their children, or no, yeah, they still have their children. Oh, okay.

I was like, did I miss a part where they dropped them off somewhere safe? Oh no, they still got them, but they're living with Alvin's parents. Okay, okay, so I'm sure they're just they're probably raising them, yeah.

Then, randomly, one day, Alvin just looked at Judy and said, I don't want you anymore. What? Out of nowhere? Because she wasn't 15 anymore, exactly.

She probably turned 20.

She got a little older, Excuse me, she probably turned 18, I should say, exactly.

Exactly. And as the summer of 1982 came to an end, Judy was now angry, desperate, willing to do literally anything to keep him from leaving her, no matter what. Oh no, so one evening in early September 1982. And what we'll see is like, he was like, I don't want you anymore. But they stayed connected.

Obviously they had children, but they, like, had this still obsessive bond with each other, even though it wasn't, like always, a romantic bond. She was always trying to make it one, but he would like flip flop. It was very strange, I can't understand and I don't ever want to understand the dynamic.

I was going to say, it's probably better that you don't, so on the evening. In September 1982, Ken Dooley, who was a teacher at the Rome Youth Development Center, he was at home when his phone rang a little after 7 p...m. The voice on the other end was a young woman claiming to be a friend of Ken's wife. Sherry I doubt it. This person on the other end said she was going to be passing through the area soon and wanted to drop in to surprise Sherry.

So Ken was like, Oh, that's great, like, here's directions to my house, Ken Ken.

Jesus fucking Christ, this could be anybody. Yeah, it's the early 80s. Everybody was like, whatever. Does she even have a friend with that name?

And this person said, Well, you tell Sherry that I'll see her when we get to Rome, and then they hung up. Sherry's probably like, I've never heard of that bitch in my life. Well, Sherry. Dooley returned home a few hours later with the couple's son, Robbie, and Ken said told his wife You know, this lady Susan had called from Kentucky.

And she goes well, that's strange. I don't have a friend from Kentucky named Susan, but glad you gave them step-by-step directions to our house. Ken now a few days later, because Ken was like, Okay, that was weird. A few days later, Ken returned home from his son's football game and was met at the door by Sherry.

And Sherry said, I got a call and when she asked who it was, she said it was she was a. It was a young girl and she wanted to know if he was home. And Ken's mind was like, Okay, like, I teach girls that like young girls at the development center. But like, he was like, none of them have my phone number. Like, I don't give my phone number out to these girls. I'm like, why would they be calling?

So he was like, that's just weird, and she was like, Yeah, I don't know, she wouldn't say who she was. So he had almost put it out of his mind. But then the phone rang that evening again, and Sherry immediately was like, It's the girl again, I know it.

And so he answered, but it was a man's voice, and the man's voice said, You've screwed the last girl you're going to screw. And then he just hung up, Oh, and Ken was freaked out.

He was like, What the fuck are you talking about? because he was like, I love my wife bye, and he tried to put it out of his mind. But later that night, as he was walking around, checking locks. Because he was like a little paranoid at that point. And he was checking on the kids, like, making sure everything was okay, he heard four, four loud pops that sounded like a car backfiring.

As he went back to his bedroom, Oh my God. And as he was going in there, he heard his wife's voice screaming that someone was shooting at the house. Oh my God. So Ken ran to his wife, then checked the rest of the house and looked out the window to the front of the house.

And he saw the taillights of a car like flying down the street, so the police arrived. But since no one identified the shooter and there was really no evidence, like no one even saw the car, they couldn't do anything. They just told him you probably shouldn't sleep here tonight.

Thank you, like, what the fuck, Jesus now? The next day, September 11th, Linda Adair, the assistant director of the Youth Development Center, noticed that Ken seemed a little off at work. But she didn't want to like Pry too much. So she didn't bother to ask what was wrong and just went about her day.

But she said later, like she very much saw that something was wrong and she went, you know, she. Later that night, she went back home and her husband, Gary, you know, they went out to dinner together and then they came home. And she just laid down on the couch, just relaxing a little, everything's normal. And then the phone rings and Linda could hear Gary answer and respond to the caller.

And he called out to her to let her know that it was for her. And Linda took the phone and said hello. But no one was on the other end, yeah. And when she asked who it was, her husband said he didn't know, but thought it sounded like a teenage girl.

He said She just asked if you were home creepy now again. This couple was also freaked out. But that evening they got ready for bed. Gary was in the shower and the phone rang again a little after 1130..

Don't answer it, so all of a sudden she can, uh. When she answers the phone, she hears one of her neighbors yelling into the phone at her, saying, Linda, what's happening? someone threw a bomb at your house? Oh my God. So she's like, What the fuck?

So she went, looked out the window in the dining room, and she could see flames engulfing their carport. Oh my God. And then the scene just erupted into chaos. Linda got Gary out of the shower, he was in the shower.

They fled the house for safety to the neighbor's house and watched as their home went up in flames. Oh my God, now, after that was all controlled. Linda told police that she heard the neighbor's dog barking and chasing a car down the road seconds after. The bomb. Must've hit the house, right? And it turned out to be a Molotov cocktail made from a soda bottle and gasoline.

What the fuck? And she told them about the weird call that evening, too. But again, there was not a lot to go off of. There was no like caller ID or anything. And the police are figuring we're not going to be able to find out who this is like.

I don't know what to do, I'm sorry. Is this? Was it the same town? Yeah, so are they like, this is connected.

Well, so a teenager who had just dropped his date off at a house nearby did manage to get a look at the car. Nice, nice. And he described the car as like early Seventies model Dodge, brown in color, with a white stripe down the center. He said There was a man and woman inside.

And when the headlights passed over the vehicle. He briefly got a look at the woman behind the wheel, who he described as being white and she had long, reddish hair.

Now this sounds like, uh, like, Judy sure does. Yeah, saw a pic, yeah.

Um, neither Linda nor her husband could think of anyone who'd want a Molotov cocktail at their house. That's a good thing. And as far as she knew, she was like, I think the people at the Youth Development Center, like, like me, I haven't had any bad interactions in the recent past that I can think that would lead to anything like this. Like, she really couldn't think of anything. And then, as the police were interviewing them both, the phone rang again and Linda answered, and it was the voice of a young woman.

And she said something about the and this is a random young woman saying something about the shooting at Ken Dooley's house the previous night and the fire at Linda and Gary's. And Linda was like, Who the fuck are you? what are you talking about? And the girl said, you both will die before the night's over, and then hung the phone up.

Oh my god.

So Linda was like, what the fuck? because she was shocked to hear about the attack on Ken. She knew he was like, in a shitty mood that day, but she was like, Oh my god, he got shot at like, and then why did I? what the fuck?

And then the police asked her to listen to a recording of a 911 call that had been placed that night. The girl on the recording of the 911 call had said to the 911 dispatcher that she was calling about the shooting at Ken Dooley's house and the fire at the Adair home, she said. Quote for the sex abuse that I went through in the YDC and the dispatcher asked her to explain, and the caller said it was, quote sex abuse.

And for the abuse I took, they are both going to die, and who knows it might be tonight, Oh my God.

Like, what the fuck? So these attacks were obviously done by Alvin and Judy, we found out later. Yeah, um, after they had done this, they headed to Macon.

I think it is Macon, I think Macon. Yeah, I think I. I did a little more on, you know, it's one of those guys, um, this time, they went in separate cars.

She went in a brown Dodge and he went in a red Ford Granada. And they tried so after Alvin had come out of prison, like I said, they had tried to reconcile, like several times since, he had been like, I just don't like you anymore. And they did this together, right? They did this together even though, and like I said, even though their relationship wasn't the same that it was. They were still in that, like us, against the world.

Like, we have to punish people together. Everyone hates us, so we hate everyone kind of thing, yeah.

So it's like, very strange, and they were using a CB radio to connect with each other in the cars. Candy Cane Yeah, it's like, very joy ride.

It's weird, it's very strange. And, like I said, they weren't in the same. Like obsessive, passionate relationship, like romantic quote unquote relationship, their idea of romance.

With each other, their idea. But again, their shared disdain for humanity and the people around them was what was keeping them connected right in this.

It's very weird. Um, this was just the beginning of their big plan. And Duly and Adair were only two of the names of the list of a list of YDC employees that they were targeting. Oh, no, uh. Judy claimed it was for abuse she suffered there.

It should be said there is no evidence that Judy was abused or sexually assaulted during her time in juvenile detention. But there are countless examples of children being abused in similar institutional settings and having it not be documented. So it is entirely possible, yup, but there is no documented proof.

Yup, so I just you need to take it how it is like. None of us know for sure, but there is no way that we can say that that is not true. I really hope she wasn't.

Now, once they reached their destination, Judy placed a call to the home of Linda Allen, who was a staff member at the Y YDC. Uh, Judy told Linda that her husband had been she, so Judy was saying, like, it's me, like I. I was one of the girls there. And she said her husband had been beating her and she needed Linda's help. She begged her for help. Now, believing Judy to be in danger, Linda Allen agreed to meet her at a at a motel the following day.

Wow, she was like, I'll help you out of this situation. Clearly she's a good person. But the next day, someone from YDC called to say that Linda had been called out of town and wouldn't be able to make it okay.

Linda literally dodged a bullet because Alvin and Judy planned to kill her. Oh my god, but she somehow got called out of town at the last second. Wow, that's a Guardian Angel kind of thing right there.

So they moved on to the next name on the list. The next step was John Brownlee, who was a security guard at the YDC. Uh, Judy believed that this man had been attracted to her. That's all, she said. She didn't say he assaulted her.

She just believed he had a crush on her. Okay, um. Having found his number, she called the house and got Brownlee on the phone and reminded him that he'd once told her. If she ever happened to be in the area, she should look him up. Mm-hmm, so who knows?

It sounds like that was the truth. Yeah, and caught off guard. Brownlee told Judy he couldn't meet her because he'd just gotten married a few months earlier. He was like, I'm married now, okay?

So she decided to let that one go. The plan was derailed. Interesting, yeah, but that's all he, that's all it took.

I had to say, I know now. They decided to go with a new plan because they were like, you know what, we got to go big now. Because this isn't working out how I want it to. So they were now going to simply track down. Each of the men, Judy said, had abused her. Break into their homes, and then Alvin had a plan that he was going to rape their wives in front of them.

Oh, Jesus, as payback to what they had done. Oh wow, yeah, that's. It escalated very quickly.

A lot now. The more they talked, the more Alvin and Judy just like fed each other, and like, were feeding each other's fucked upness. And just like, rage and aggression and hate and all of this. This is so much. And the problem was, though, that finding the home addresses and phone numbers for all the employees at YDC was not easy. Yeah.

You didn't have, like, Google back then, that's a good thing. And after a few days of driving around aimlessly, they decided to abandon this revenge fantasy. And they headed back in the direction of Rome and decided we need a new, terrible plan, and this one's really terrible, so it's true.

You're warning. On the afternoon of September 25th, 1982, Gail Henderson and six girls from the Ethel Harpst Home, which was a facility for neglected and abandoned girls, arrived at the River Bend Mall in Rome to do some shopping. After giving the five older girls very strict instructions to stay together while they were at the mall, Gail took the youngest of the girls with her to run some errands. She told the other girls. The older ones meet her in front of the Radio Shack in one hour radio Shack.

Gail regrouped about an hour later, but one of them, a 13-year-old girl, Lisa Milliken, was missing now. The girls told Henderson that Lisa had become separated from the group somehow, but they figured she would just meet them outside the radio shack when she realized the time. They waited for about 20 minutes. And then they split into two groups and went in different directions to try to find Lisa. They couldn't find her.

So now Gail was panicking, of course, went to mall security to explain the situation. They split up again, now with guards to find nothing, so they called the police.

A more formal search happened. Nothing, she just disappeared. Oh God. Months later, investigators in Rome interviewed several young women who recalled that day being approached by a teenage girl on that afternoon.

In some cases, the teenager asked if their names were Kim or Phyllis, indicating that she was trying to meet someone and they hadn't shown up. Kind of thing. Most of them simply shook their heads and were like, Okay, bye. But a woman, Suzanne Klontz, who was at the River Bend Mall that day with her husband, had a longer interaction with this girl. This girl was Judy. Oh, I figured.

Um, according to Suzanne, she said the girl looked very dirty, like she hadn't bathed in a while. Gross, and she said she was looking for someone named Kim. And she said the girl asked Suzanne if she was alone at the mall, and when Suzanne explained that she was with her husband, the girl seemed to lose all interest and just walked away.

Okay, oh, this is so fucking creepy. So Suzanne had no way of knowing it. But that afternoon, at the River Bend Mall, she was about to be abducted and killed. If she hadn't, if she hadn't had her husband with her.

Wow, now. Lisa Milliken, however, was not lucky she had been lured and abducted by Alvin and Judy. She's 13. So they just completely abandoned the plan, where it seemed like there was targeting employees at this place.

Who had wronged her? And now they're just going after anyone, but now they're just going after anybody for. And that's what makes me think that there's that there wasn't a total motive here, right, that's clear.

Even maybe, to begin with, potentially, um, so. They abducted Lisa. They took her back to the Chattahoochee motel in Rome, and that night, the nightclerk Claire Doherty said she noticed them right away.

When they came in, she thought it was an odd trio, right? She said. It was the man and the young woman, seemed like they were a couple, like, clearly.

But she said that young girl with them was clearly not their child, like she was too old to be their child. Like, it was very strange. And the next morning, when Doherty went to check on the room that the three of them were in, they had already checked out. Soda cans and candy wrappers were everywhere.

And she said it appeared as though only one of the two beds had been slept in. Okay, now. The scene repeated itself again. Over the next two days, they checked into the Five points motel in Scottsboro, Alabama.

And on the morning of September 28th, the motel's owner, Um, he went to clean room 12, where they were found the same kind of thing. Cookie wrappers, soda cans, like just crap everywhere. And only. And all three of them are checking into these hotels, and only one bed is being used. Okay? Later that afternoon, just before 1pm, a call came into Rome police headquarters and was received by Watch Commander Lonnie Adcock.

The caller was a young teenage girl, it seemed. Who said Y'all looking for Lisa Ann Milliken on the run from the Harpstome? And then claimed to have information to help find her? She said go up to Little River Canyon in Alabama and then gave specific instructions where to find Lisa. The phrasing made them feel like they were not going to find her alive, yeah.

Um, they were skeptical, but they went out to Little River Canyon to take a look, okay, as they, um. As officers from Rome were driving up Lookout Mountain to reach the canyon. Jenny West, who was a news director at local station WRGA, received a tip from a young woman who called her desk, the caller said. Lisa Milliken, that girl that ran away from the Harpstome on Friday, she's been killed and the Rome police are covering it up. I think what we're seeing here is this us against the world. Everyone's out to get us thing is just their shared delusion that they're using as an excuse to hurt people.

Yeah, sounds like it, because now they're saying the Rome police are covering it up when they have nothing to do with it. And the caller then gave some detailed directions to find Lisa's body, and West interrupted and said, How was she killed? How was she killed?

And she said she was shot by a female juvenile officer from the Harpstome this morning. She was at the Little River Canyon and she's still there now that she's trying to blame the people from the home, right?

Now unsure whether this was real or a prank, like a prank chased down a fake lead. Jenny West went to the Rome police headquarters and told them about it. And the detectives were like, Yeah, like, we also got a similar message from that. And, you know, she had disappeared from the Riverbend Mall about a week earlier. So, like, that name is absolutely true.

And but they let the reporter know that they had gone out to the canyon and hadn't found any evidence of a murder or a body. And they also investigated everyone who worked at the Harpstome, and no one had a history of violence or criminality. They were like, no one's a suspect there, like, we don't suspect anyone there, right?

And in all likelihood, they said. We think she just ran away, like, that's the likely thing that happened here, right? And you know, hopefully she would turn up eventually. We'll keep looking into leads and try to find her.

And but they wanted to put the reporter's mind at ease and their own. So investigators told her, You know what? We're going to call the authorities in Dekalb County, Alabama, and let them know that a second tip has been received. OK, so? The next day, on September 29th, the Dekalb County Sheriff's Office got a call from another young woman wanting to know whether they had found the body in the canyon. But the officer was like, What the fuck?

Like, No, we haven't. And the caller just hung up. So the young woman called again later that evening and gave more precise directions, like wanting them to find her. So the sheriffs were like, all the sheriffs were like, you know what, let's go out now and go, we got to look.

So it took some time to get up the mountain to where she said the body would be. And the sun was actually started to set, so it was getting dark in the canyon. Yikes. But crawling on his stomach out to the edge of the mountain, Alabama State Trooper Tommy Brock shined his flashlight down into the canyon.

And he said he immediately saw a pair of jeans hanging from a tree branch. Oh, no, so he was like, Oh shit. So. He swept the light across the canyon floor and illuminated the body of Lisa Ann Milliken, more than 80 feet below thirteen years old.

Did they throw her over the side of the mountain? What happened to her is horrific. And I just need you all to know that ahead of time. Like, it's going to be rough, yeah, now. Once they were able to retrieve her body from the canyon floor, the Dekalb County Coroner, Ronald Berry, confirmed that she had indeed been killed by a gunshot wound to the chest.

And she had been dead about 31 hours when she was discovered. Detectives from Georgia contacted their counterparts in Alabama, and they confirmed that the voice of the caller matched the same caller that called into the Dekalb County Sheriff's Office. And so they started, which this is one of those instances where you're like, they work together, they coordinated.

And they did, they had a joint investigation. That's awesome now. With the body taken out of the Canyon crime scene, technicians began searching the canyon floor and all around for evidence. They found several items of clothing, a large amount of trash. Because they're fucking pigs.

And criminalist John Kilborn also found several disposable syringes near where the body had been discovered. Strange. They took some tests and determined that the syringes didn't contain narcotics. Oh, they were sent in for more analysis and it was determined that whatever had been in the syringes was extremely acidic in nature.

It took some time to narrow it down. But they found out that analysts eventually determined that the syringes had contained two very common cleaning products liquid drano and liquid plumber. Oh no, so this seemed pretty unusual to lab technicians. They were confused by that, yeah.

But then when you look at the autopsy results, you see that this makes sense. Oh God. So the cause of death was obviously a shot to the chest. There was a repeated sexual assault on this poor girl, and the autopsy technician found six puncture wounds in her neck.

So, at some point before her death, Lisa Ann Milliken had been subjected to a form of chemical torture. And at the point of injection, it had boiled the fatty tissue beneath her skin, reducing it to an odd liquid which resembled burnt cooking grease. So they injected Drano and liquid plumber into her neck. What they would learn afterwards after they had been arrested, Because luckily, these fuckers do get arrested after they were arrested. Investigators learned that while he was in jail, Alvin had heard from someone. That it would be nearly impossible for investigators to identify a death as a murder if the victim was injected with acidic chemicals.

And that the death would be quick, like it's an easy way to kill someone, but then you also shot her. Well, of course, because it is entirely false that that would quickly kill someone, uh huh, and it's entirely false that they wouldn't be able to detect it.

But that didn't stop Judy from injecting Lisa with those chemicals. It was Judy who injected her with Drano and liquid Plumber, a 13-year-old girl. She had been tied. Lisa had been tied to a tree outside of the canyon and injected by Judy at least six times with drain cleaner. She's a sick fuck.

When the injections failed to produce the results that she was looking for and just caused unbelievable pain and suffering to Lisa. Judy simply shot Lisa in the chest and pushed her off the ledge into the canyon.

Oh my god. So they now knew how, and they also knew a young woman was almost certainly involved at this point in the murder of Lisa. Because at this point, they didn't know it was Judy and Alvin, holy shit. But they knew it was a young woman involved because she had called a hundred times to let them know, right?

But they needed to find out who and also where Lisa had been in the days between when she was abducted and murdered. And what the fuck is going on here and what had happened to this poor girl in that timeline? And unfortunately, this isn't going to be the last person that dies from these two idiots. That's where I'm going to leave for part one, because that's a lot.

Because I have to take a minute after that because I that's really heavy. It's the amount of abuse, neglect, horrible trauma.

It's this is a tough one. It's been, it's been requested many times, that's why, that's why we ended up doing it.

I finally bit it and did it, but like, oof, this is a tough one. Yeah, everyone, go hug someone you love. seriously, high five someone you love.

Make, you know, pay for someone's coffee, share coffee with someone you love. Yeah, just like, go, do something that makes you feel a little warm and fuzzy inside.

That doesn't hurt anyone else. Okay, go get a donut. Don't hurt people, hurt people.

Hurt people, Wow, don't do that, and yeah, and you know what?

Go listen to an episode of The Re-watcher to kind of cool yourself down from this. Yes, perfect palate cleanser. But you'll be ready for part two on Thursday, okay?

So we got you covered all the way around. And you can also listen to, you know, scream. If you want to scream is fun. You could listen to obituary. you can listen to obituary. obituary is always a good laugh.

You can listen to strange and unusual podcast, go listen to Allison and her soothing voice. Yes, if you go listen to Alone at Lunch and get the fuck away from all of this.

Just go listen to comedy. Yeah, alone at lunch is the perfect palate cleanser. Funny human beings with really funny, funny guests if you need to totally disengage from anything dark.

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