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Welcome to part of my take. Today is Monday, April 3rd and then there were two championship game.
Yukon is a wagon, and that might be the kiss of death because I'm the minus sign king and I'm about to lay a brick. I'm about to lay a brick on Yukon. And it's given me vibes of how sure I was that there were going to be no doings. I'm essentially betting on no doings tonight.
Okay, so let's set the scene, let's set the scene for the people. If you watch the intro, you saw us in a different place. We care so much about the listeners.
There were people walking by the room we were recording in. We're now in Louisiana, by the way. Uh, that we said we have to for the awls, stand up, walk out, find a new room, and now we are here and we're in Louisiana. We're in Houston on Saturday night for the final four, we attended the game and now we're going to break down the games.
Straight up, Lake Charles, Louisiana, is my favorite place on earth, it is, I love this place.
Um, so it's, yeah, it's fantastic place. Thank you to everyone who, uh, accommodates us here. Where should we start with the game, should we go with the the the first game, the Buzzer Beater and then get to Yukon?
Let's get chronological with it. It was the most tan fan base that I've ever seen in the history of a basketball game. Um, a lot of Bros. from San Diego, a lot of bros from FAU, very attractive people just in general.
This was the bro-iest final four ever, cause Miami Bros. go hard as well. Yep, like there was a few times where I would. I turned around in the concourse and there was just a bunch of Miami fans. And I was like, You guys look like you're having a fucking awesome time.
And I wish I was somewhere between 15 to 17 years younger.
Watching a bunch of dudes roll around, just slugging, tall boys wearing, wearing Sean Taylor and Ray Lewis football jerseys. Yep, that's how basketball should be played.
Saw some Tony Gwynn jerseys, uh, which was sick. That's just a nice wrinkle. I actually saw a baseball San Diego State Tony Gwynn jersey that was cool. Um, did he play at San Diego State?
I don't think so.
Uh, yeah, he did, I think he did, yeah, and he was a basketball player too. He's a damn good basketball player.
Those as well, so the vibes were cool. We went into the arena memes and I sat, Uh, I mean, it is Space City, we were basically sitting in orbit, we went and we sat at the top row.
Uh, people were shaming us. I actually enjoyed the top row, you couldn't really see a lot, but I actually enjoyed it. I don't know why, like there was something about it.
It's kind of cool to see the entire arena all at once, yeah.
You were up high enough. That's like where Jeff Bezos goes when he says he's going to outer space, and it's just in, like, near Earth orbit. That's where you were. It's a knock against the whole idea of playing basketball in a football stadium, which I understand why they do it.
Because they can sell a shitload more tickets, but at the same time, it doesn't have the arena, doesn't rock as much. You know, it's not as loud, you can't hear everything, Jake.
I mean, the the press seats that they had, you guys were.
And simply, tournament is such bullshit. They basically take an entire half of the state of the first, uh section and and right by the court side and just give it to the press.
Well, there's three rows center court.
Yeah.
That's ridiculous for the elite press, right?
So who gets like, but does any other event do that? No, they don't do that for the N.B.A. finals, no chance.
No, they don't.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, all like the national publications, get the center court ones and then everyone else gets the end zone.
Well, the New York Times doesn't even have a check mark. But anyway, so the uh, up upstairs, I will admit there was a few times memes can maybe chime in. There was a few times where a shot was made and I didn't know if it was made or not. And I just reacted off of the crowd like there was a couple of even swishes where I was like, did that? did that go in?
So it was kind of hard to see, but the vibes were great. Like when you get all the way up there, you're with you're, you're closer to God, and you're with God's people. Because everyone up there is like, we, we had to get all the way up here, it takes a lot.
That means the gym dance was in hell. Court side. He got a standing ovation from everybody. I want to hear, I want to hear. He was pointing, he was, he was tipping his invisible hat to everybody in the arena. We gave him a standing oh, shout out.
Gym, dance class personified Yes.
Did you, uh, have a little tear tear during that moment?
It was a really nice moment. Uh, I don't know if you saw on Twitter. I got to catch up with Jim on Friday's practice day. Oh, you did. I interviewed him.
What?
You didn't see this?
Yeah.
I do not. You didn't see it. Best part, best part by far. Jim Nance told Jake that he was proud of it.
Wait, can you? Can you play it on your phone real quick? I listen, I apologize. Whenever we're on the road, there's a lot that happens, there's a lot that happens, there's just like things are moving.
We were driving, we've, we've. We drove from Austin to Houston, Houston to Louisiana, we were playing golf. We're doing all kinds of shit, so I apologize for missing.
It's okay, yeah. So I had the media, No. He seems like a groper.
Not, that's not accusatory, like, more like a friendly girl.
Yeah, right, like, gradually, Jim Nance is a little older.
So, like, they used to grope back.
Yeah, it's like, when an old man grabs your butt, it's not creepy, right?
It's not like he's assaulting anyone, it's just like he just gropes.
I've had my butt grabbed by more people over the age of 70 than anybody else on this planet.
He's like, he's like a Biden hair sniffer.
This is like a two minute interview. You can watch it in its entirety on my Twitter feed. I'll fast forward to the last 30 seconds, the first like minute, a minute and a half. It was me asking him about Jim Nance week, going straight from the final four to Augusta, things like that and talking about the Games. But yeah, the mini fire vest the band started playing in the middle of the interview for the full interview.
You can look at Jake's Twitter account. Yes, oh yeah. He also dropped in. It's wild.
Oh, yeah, we can't hear anything.
It'll get better.
I'm proud of you, Jake.
Absolutely.
Well, have a great call this weekend. Adam, you keep doing it, man. I'm proud of you for your career.
Oh, okay, did he know who you were? So it sounded like he just sees like a guy in his twenties in a suit. He's like, you're just doing it right.
Well, he's on, he's proud of you because you finished in the top 10.
In the back, Jim Nance Oh, I shook his hand and introduced myself. Hi, my name is Jake.
Uh, fellow play-by-play broadcaster. I went to Syracuse and I actually finished in the top 10 in your award. I told you guys about this award when I interviewed you.
Yes, yes, the Jim Nance Award Top 10, you finished ninth.
I finished ninth. There's a bunch of people who apply.
Yeah, yeah.
I have over nine pieces of African American memorabilia Top 10..
That is top 10.
They rank the top 20 collegiate sportscasters in the country every year. I was just happy to be on the list. So you finished in the.
In the first half.
In the top 10 of the ranked people.
Yeah, 20..
But it's like, it's like in college basketball, there's a top 25, right? There's a bunch of other, I mean, tons of them.
Okay, got it, everybody.
We're talking 25.
There's 330 people who don't get it.
Top 10.
Glad to be on the list.
Fly forever. You're like the Indianapolis colts.
In other words, Jim Nance was like, I'm very proud of you for being the ninth most like me person in college. Broadcast in 2018.
Did you say I went from Top 10 to a job at the reputable Barstool Sports?
I said, I work at Barstool Sports, all right.
Good job Jim Nance. I like that. Yeah, I mean, I'm a big Jim Nance.
We'd love we would love to have him on the show. Absolutely love to, Yes, yeah.
I'd love to be groped by Jim Nance, No.
Well, I would.
All right, so you don't get the grope.
You wouldn't, you wouldn't let Jim Nance grab your butthole.
No, no, no.
I'm going to touch your butt cheek, I'm accidentally one pinky into the crack.
He's going to cup a cheek.
He told me he was proud of me. I'll leave it, I'll leave it up.
We found a good way to ruin this moment.
I'm proud of you, Jake.
Nance is hanging up. Maybe that means that he's stepping into his like, nice, uh, like, post woke after career, where where he can now, like, finally let loose. And he's going to start a podcast doing golf and NFL.
Okay, yeah, true, true. So he's wow.
So that actually is the final four was always number three on his list.
Maybe that's why, maybe that's why Tony Romo was always like, Yeah, because Jim Nance is just getting up there, yeah.
He's got his hands, like Jeff Dunham, yeah, he's got his hand up.
This will be his final travel from the final four to the Masters. Wow, end of an era.
Uh, who's taking over?
I an eagle, okay?
Well, I know wild fact here who finished number one in the gym, Nance?
Broadcast finished number two the next year.
Cause he's no, no, not wait.
His son, his son, No. I was going to say, Noah from Syracuse, that's wild because I an eagle. His son, Noah Eagle, is also a broadcaster, yeah.
Isn't that crazy for him on NBC, on Big 10?
Yeah, and Nickelodeon, definitely Nickelodeon.
All right, so I an eagle, that's a good replacement. Yeah, uh, all right. So we got a little sidetracked, but the moment for Jim Nance was special.
It was beautiful, were you a little touched? not the groping thing, but touched?
Yeah, okay, okay.
Uh, the game, let's talk about the game. I wish Dusty May had paid more attention to our interview when I told him that when San Diego State gets down by like seven to 10, you haven't won yet.
Yeah, they were down by more than that, they're down by 14..
Yeah.
So San Diego State, well, they got out hot, San Diego State came out strong and it looked like nobody was going to miss a shot on San Diego State.
And same with FAA. So Fau San Diego State, uh, their last lead in the game until the buzzer beater was at 11. Oh, five in the first half. That's when when Fau had tied the game. I think it's 17, and from that point on till the last second, Fau was in control of the game.
Felt like, I mean, they put up 40 in the first half. With San Diego State, I think that's only happened one other time this year. Yeah, so Fau felt like they were like everything they wanted to do was working. Um, and then San Diego State, they just, they're so tough.
They don't go away. There was a couple of calls, but who, you know, like the block call on Golden I. He had a clean block.
That was a great block that sucked.
But San Diego State credit to them because they're tough as nails. And we get the first, uh, ever, buzzer beater in the final four when the team shooting the ball was trailing, yeah.
That's, it's crazy that it's taken this long, cause there's so many iconic buzzer beaters. That happened in the final four, we think happened, but it's usually with a tie game, or to tie the game at the end of regulation.
But that was that was crazy to see that, uh, San Diego State, this is justice for them. San Diego State, 2020. Yep, they were very highly ranked.
They only had two losses.
They had two losses, so they were going to be I don't know what seed they would have been, probably a one seed, so they canceled the tournament for Covid. This is San Diego State's redemption arc.
They make it back, they if they want any chance at all against Yukon, they have to make some foul shots. My theory on San Diego State number 13. And then I forget, Uh, the other guy that was. They were shooting a lot towards the end of the game.
Bradley's their best score, Bradley.
So, uh, they're both too jacked up because they live on the beach in San Diego. So they're like, I got to have guns. Swole when I go outside all the time. They're too strong and they don't have any touch on their foul.
And that was the craziest part about the end of the game. So the the the final, uh, sequence. Fau I don't know, I guess you probably don't have this play in your playbook, but if Fau, if Dusty May, can learn anything from it. It's like, figure out a play where if there's a six second differential in the shot clock, shoot right before the shot clock. And hope, like, and hope, the rebound just gets batted around a bunch. Because what ended up happening is they get the ball back with 36 seconds, they're up by one, they shoot with like 10 seconds left in the game.
Five seconds left in the shot clock. San Diego State comes down. No timeout. Brian Dutcher afterwards said Uh, they asked him about it. He said. I ran out of plays, which is awesome.
He's like, I had no more plays to give them. So, and San Diego State was in a defensive, uh uh setup, so they had their two leading scorers on the season, Matt Bradley and Darian Trammell were on the bench. And he's like, Fuck it, let's just go, and then he comes down, uh, Lamont Butler almost goes out of bounds.
Yeah, I thought he wasn't aware of the time they didn't do anything until like two seconds.
It felt like when watching that, that they weren't going to get a shot. And then he, he, he hits that buzzer. Beater you have, um, did you hear the call afterwards?
I haven't watched it in depth yet.
Okay, because, uh, maybe one of uh. Hall of Fame Orgasm in our Ears by Bill Raftery.
Oh, yes, I did hear that.
I want to play it for you, he laid out after that, though, Yeah, but it was, it was. Here's, here's the final sequence.
Yeah.
Let's play that part again.
Just a beautiful orgasm. I love raftery, he's the best.
Well, I wish those moments. I know that it's not. It's like uncouth and broadcasting to have the second guy making noise there. But that was what it was like. That's March, like it was a final four buzzer beater.
That was all of our reactions, we all were like, holy shit, he just did.
You need that guy in the threesome, though, cause you've got Nance again class personified, Grant Hill class personified, and then you need raftery to be like, Oh yeah, oh man.
It also, I have some wild stuff for you, ready for it. Brian Dutcher didn't call a timeout. Now he had a timeout. Brian Dutcher was also on the coaching staff for the most famous timeout ever.
ChrIS WEBBeR Yeah. When he was coaching under Steve Fisher at Michigan, Steve Fisher, legendary coach at Michigan, gets, uh, fired from Michigan for NCAA sanctions. All this stuff goes to San Diego State, stays there forever. Hands it off to Brian Dutcher.
Who's been waiting forever? I think he's 63 years old. Basically everything that Steve Fisher built at Michigan. With the Fab five now, in today's 2023, NCAA is allowed. And like, the whole thing has come full circle where it's like, those guys, imagine how much money the Fab Five would have made on Nil.
It would have been crazy.
And now they're in the Steve Fisher's there. I think his son has ALS, who he's, he's part of the coaching staff. Like, great story, it's just all of it.
Brian Dutch are waiting. He was an assistant for 30 plus years, the grinding it out, and now he's here. And they're in the they're a Championship game on Monday night, like Dream Run. It's just it's why you watch sports. It's these types of stories where, like, you have the guy who's been working his whole life. And San Diego State gets robbed in 2020. And now they're here and ready to take down Yukon, maybe.
It's so. It's so funny to think about what used to be recruiting violations and how heavily they were punished, like they were breaking the law at Michigan. When you think back to Bruce Pearl getting fired because he, he cooked a burger for one of his kids, pretty much. And now it's like, Well, that's that's nothing, that's nothing.
A kid would laugh at you if you offered him a burger, he'd be like, Where's my wagyu steak? Yes, so the game has shifted entirely. The game really changed in the second half. Because the San Diego State Student section. They started building a cup snake, which is another thing that's completely different about.
The final four used to not be able to drink beer at these games. Now you've got the San Diego State Bros. Slugging coors, lights, building a giant beer snake. Willing their team to victory come from behind. Solid effort from the Aztec fans.
Yes, very, I mean, it was. It was an incredible comeback, incredible moment. I can't believe that it was the first. We've had buzzer beaters in the final four. We've never had a buzzer beater where the team that was trailing hit the buzzer beater.
So we've had the top Chris Jenkins. The game was tied, the famous N.C. State one against Houston, the Jim Valvano. That was a tie game.
What was the Christian Laitner one?
Christian Laitner was a tie game as well. um, so they're all like they were all tie games. I don't know if Laitner that wasn't final four.
I don't think that was to get to the final four over Kentucky.
Yeah, there was another one I think Marquette in like 77, I believe, is the other 92 Elite eight.
Yeah, also, I will say this is back to back games in that venue. Yes, Buzzer Beaters, because Chris Jenkins 2016 ended that tournament.
Wild Good point. Well, there've been other games since then, not in that venue, college basketball.
Yeah, no, seven years.
I don't think I played in NRG Stadium yet, yeah.
That's, that's a wild. 17. San Antonio 18, Minneapolis 19. Nothing in 2021 does. The bubble in 22 was, Uh, it's also cool walking in NRG Stadium because it's right next to the Astrodome, yes.
And they should open up the Astrodome to, like, creepy sleepovers sports, yeah. Or you should be able to break into the Astrodome and just rummage through it like like a post-apocalyptic, like wolves rummaging through. Like a garage sale. You should be able to take whatever you want out of the Astrodome.
I understand why they tear down old stadiums, but I wish they kept up, yeah.
Sign a waiver, yeah.
Like the Silverdome has, I think, has now been fully taken down, but that should have stayed up and they should have. I know it's doesn't make sense, cause it's tax money, all that shit. Don't tell me that I don't care. That should, like the the the Michigan High School football champions, should be played at Silverdome every year. Yep.
Like, that would be cool if those old stadiums still had a purpose, but yeah, the Astrodome, cause it's. It's crazy to think that was the state of the art dome in whatever it was seventies, maybe even late sixties, when it was built. And it just dwarfs in size compared to NRG.
It is crazy. That was a great game, though it was a fantastic. well, it wasn't a great game, but the ending was fantastic. It was a good first in the first half.
People are like, this is a much better game than people thought. Yeah, well, they just snuck the rims, which was great. Yeah, yes.
Also Shout out Fau, what a season.
Yeah, so Fau and they could all be back, yes, so Dusty May signed an extension, which was cool. I think they invested some more money in the program.
I think all their guys, all five starters, are eligible to come back. Uh, the first guy recruited for us, I think we talked about him last week, he was the only senior, so yeah.
And il would be the only thing I could get these guys away.
Yeah.
What else would you want to be besides Boca? Like, I understand there's bigger programs like, you're not going to be in a better place to live, yeah.
And they won what was their final, uh, 35 and four insane season. Dusty May, hell of a coach.
Do drop that play, Dusty May, if we ever have him back on, just the. I swear it would work if there's six seconds differential. I know that San Diego State had a time out so they could call a timeout. But if you just get a ball on the rim, as like the shot clock is expiring, it probably isn't like, and it's batted around even a little bit. You're in the you're in the championship game.
Well, is there a play that you can possibly run? That's kind of like when players try to get their own triple double at the end of the game? Where, where? You? You drive to the hole and somehow you lay it up off the rim and intentionally catch it and then kick it out. Yeah, you don't even try to score.
Just throw it as hard as you can off the rim.
Yeah.
And just hope the ball bounces around enough. That time expired.
Just slam it against the rim. Yeah, this is a great idea. We should be basketball coaches.
We should be basketball coaches. Uh, all right, so, uh, Jake, oh, I'll get your, I'll get your full March madness. Take after. After we talk about the next game, let's talk about the next game.
Yukon completely destroys Miami. I know that the final score was maybe a little bit closer.
13, but they were never in the game. if they were nine. Nothing to start. Miami never had a lead.
There was a couple spurts that Miami had, where, you know, it was like, Oh, watch out for Miami and Yukon completely squashed. That they are on a dominant, dominant run. So couple stats one is they're 16 and O against non-conference opponents.
Crazy. They just held, so they played back to back. Miami was the fifth rated offense in Ken Palm. They held them to 59 points.
They also were they were, scoring 79.
1 points per game, Gonzaga was the first offense in Ken Palm. They were scoring 86.1 points per game. They scored 54..
So they were. They held their last two opponents to 20 plus points, 30 for Gonzaga, less than their season average. They also are the fifth team to enter the National Championship game that has won every single game on their path by double digits. So, 2000 Michigan, 2001 Duke 2009 UNC, 2016 UNC, 2018 Villanova, 2016 UNC. The only one to not win the title. Chris Jenkins shot, Yeah.
And remember the 2018 Villanova team like that was, they just dominated absolutely everyone and then? Sonogo is the fourth player in 40 years to average 20 points with 65 shooting.
Crazy, yeah, and he did it on Ramadan.
He's, yeah.
He's he was with the late sunset in central time.
They have so many options on offense and defense, and like they, they can play inside, they can play outside. They hit all their big shots. It's they're on just an absolute tear of a run. They also are going for the point differential crown, so they're plus one.
Oh, three, right now in the tournament, the uh, UNC was plus one. oh four. the only three teams better UNC in 2009 plus one.
Oh, Four Kentucky 96 plus One 20, Duke 99 plus One 26 Duke 99 loss to Uconn.
Editors note in 2016, Villanova had a point differential of plus one 21, which is also higher than UConn's point differential in 2023. So it might be a foregone conclusion that UConn is going to win this. I think most people are saying that they're going to win. I'll just say, I'll count this, I won't use the mickey mouse word.
If they beat Miami and Dan Hurley's son scores a point, that's that's my bar for victory. That's the true shout out, Andrew Hurley. Get them in the game, get them a good look, coach, draw something up for them.
But yeah, UConn has been utterly dominant. There was a point in the game where Miami got it back to 10 and every time they would get it back to 10. The crowd was like, so energized because that felt like a tie, just being within 10 points you got. I know they shaved it a little bit closer after that at one point, but um, it would just be like, okay. They battled back to 10 and then 20 seconds later, UConn would be up 16..
It, and I know that people will be like, well, Uconn's path has not been as difficult because Miami did play the toughest path. Going to you play who you.
Play right, you play who you don't apologize.
Also, this is revisionist history, because everyone said Gonzaga, they're playing lights out. Arkansas had just beaten Kansas, St. Mary's was one of those teams everyone was looking out for and you beat them all by double digits.
And none of the games have even been like a sweat like they haven't. Besides Iona, shout out Rick Patino. He was the only like. the first half against Iona was probably the only time that Uconn was sweating.
Even a little. What was the score at halftime in that game?
I think they were down to one or two, but that's that's how dominant they have been. Um, and it's been incredible to watch. And I actually read an article. I think it was in the athletic, it was like, this Uconn team is so good.
Dan Hurley only swore once during this game. It was like talking about how zen he is now. And it's like, No, he's still a psycho. He just trusts these guys so much that he doesn't have to be as much of a psycho yet.
He's wearing his lucky underwear every game. His wife was like, Yeah, I don't know, I can't. I can't convince him not to wear it. But he's putting on the same pair of underwear for every single game. And and he's definitely, he's definitely washing it right.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would hope so. And then it didn't use it, wasn't that the ref that he had.
Jeff Anderson, which we talked about, what you guys talked about in the interview, and Clown called him that December 28th against Villanova and they paired a fucking club. But so piggyback off what you guys were talking about. Andrew Hurley. To put it in perspective, the walk-ons. He has played in all five tournament games, right? he played in two Big East games, right? he's played in five straight games. Because they've all been blown up.
They're shit pumping everybody, that's, they're just a they're a goddamn wagon. The walk-ons hope to play one tournament game. We got to play in all five, yeah.
It's been, I think, that, as chaotic as this tournament has been, and there's been a lot of hand wringing. Like college basketball sucks now. Because FAU and San Diego State got there, which shut up that. We had hit Butler and VCU in 2011. Everyone remembers that fondly, so I don't really understand the difference. But if they can finish this run, we will remember it as Yukon's tournament. And how, like how much, they just absolutely crushed everyone.
I think, I think, in a weird way, that's very good for the sport to have, like a dominant team one year. Yeah, because then you think back and you, just like you said, it's Yukon.
That was the year of Yukon and 16, you know, against non-conference opponents, Dan Hurley has said it like, once they got out of the biggie schedule, it was everything became a lot easier. And that has proven to be correct so far.
And we're officially crowning Yukon a blue blood if they win this championship, right? Yes, I think I, I don't know how you can argue otherwise.
They'd have five, they'd have five championships in the last 24 years. Um, we are Hurley podcast, we have Bobby Hurley coming up, which was a great interview. And then as for Miami, I mean, incredible season, yeah.
Jim Laranega seems like one of the most likable guys in the sport. I do not understand how Nigel Pack only had one pair of shoes.
We had shoegate in the middle of the game, the manager awl who ran and got the shoes.
Are we saying ran? It was like a brisk walk.
Yeah, he did like an acceptable hustle.
He hustled, he hustled.
He did an acceptable walk for somewhere or run. Who's someone that's not an athlete, right?
It's like, when someone says, like, run over here to me, I'll like, move my arms really fast, but you don't want to look like I'm running. But I'm not, he hustled. And I, I still don't understand how Nigel Pack had one pair of shoes.
Yeah, it was, uh, it was. I don't know. I don't know how many pairs of shoes college kids travel with, I don't know how many they have in the locker room.
At least two, I'd hope.
Yeah, it was, I need to. I need somebody to tell me how much it hit. Uh, was it Nike? was it a pair of Nike Adidas? what stock hit hit?
Did Adidas take because his shoes broke down?
I don't. It was, I mean, that Miami was never winning that game. But to have him on the on the the sideline because he didn't have a pair of shoes is just an insane thing. To have happen. During this national semifinal game, yeah.
And a game like that, you keep, you keep hoping and waiting for a run. You keep hoping that Miami's going to really get it close and that we'll have something root for going down the stretch. But that's just Uconn's not going to give that up, Uconn's too good.
Nope, nope. Uh, Jake, are you finding it? It's Adidas.
I'm trying to confirm.
I believe it's Adidas.
Uh, you're really going hard on UConn here, where's right? But I, I honestly, I don't see a way that San Diego State beats them. If they do, would this be the most shocking upset in NCAA tournament history?
You'd probably have to go with, Yeah, I think they're sponsored by Adidas.
Besides, fairly Dickinson.
I mean, you'd probably have to go with the, uh, Villanova versus Georgetown, right? Like that was, that was, I think that was like a 10 point point spread. Yeah, I mean, that was, but yes, it would be up there, it would absolutely be up there.
In terms of champions, it's really fucking good they are, they are really, really good and I don't think obviously I want UConn to win. But, uh, for for my own, uh, wallet. But I do think, uh, like, I wouldn't be shocked. If we're watching this game on Monday night and it is a close game at the end of the day, it's the tournament.
Yeah, so, like anything can happen for a game, yeah, yeah.
So I just need, you know, what I would like is just to have, like, some doubt in my head going into it. I would like if, even if it was a fake report came out, that said Uconn's players. I'll have the flu today. I just want somebody to say that. Hawkins, who, by the way, had a.
Wedgie interviewed him about that by the way, kind of putting us all at risk because you did interview him.
Yeah, sorry.
That was the first thing that came to my head. Did you wear a mask? It was like six inches from his face.
And you had to get the answers that people wanted.
You weren't masked up flu.
I put, I'm putting myself at risk for the answers. So he was sick, but he then wasn't sick during the game, it was non Covid illness.
Yeah, no, he was fine. I mean, everyone's like, Is he going to play? Oh my god.
It's like, Dude, it's fun for my entire, my entire life is a non Covid illness. He said that wedgies are more embarrassing than air balls. Oh wow, I was surprised by. That's a big. I disagree.
Yeah.
The only reason that you could say you could make the argument that it is is because the game stops. So everyone's like, What the fuck, dude?
Well, if the crowd comes up with a wedgie chant that they all yell simultaneous. That you like to do for an air ball, then I'll start to believe it. But until that happens, I think the air ball is the worst thing you can do.
Yeah.
Also, air balls can go out of bounds.
Air balls can go out of bounds, that's true, it's a fact. Um, all right, so Jake.
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What do you got for? Do you think? Yeah, go ahead?
Today, this obviously being recorded before the champion is crowd. But like the three big takeaways from this, if you can't finish it off, their dominant performance will be remembered forever. This tournament had an all-time upset, this tournament had an all-time shot or two with Furman and last night with SDSU. So you have the small moments, you have the big upset, and if you can't win, it's total dominance. Like, there's plenty of takeaways from this tournament, no matter how it ends.
Yeah, you. When you think of 2023 NCAA tournament. FDU Furman, UConN, San Diego State buzzer In the final four. Are you as confident as we are in UConn? I think on paper, yes, but like I said, the tournament, the tournament, and that's the only thing where I'm a little hesitant.
The fact that the tournament is the tournament, right? Because just as you are sure about something, the other thing happens. Yeah, like, it's one game. Would you eat your column?
If I eat my column, or would you eat this podcast? sure, you'll eat this podcast. So we'll get it put on a chip, logo or no, no, we'll get it.
We'll get it put on a chip, yeah, we'll get it on an SD card.
Okay.
I'll make it audible, though, and then, yes, it'll totally be edible, for sure.
We have the tech.
So we'll give you an edible chip, a super edible microchip, uh, that you'll then have to swallow and pass. If SDSU wins. Yes, okay, all right.
Jake will eat this podcast, yes.
Yeah.
You guys will be upset too, so.
Yeah, no, I'll be very.
I will be very, very upset now, yeah.
Nothing against San Diego State personally, it's just business. Yeah, you guys would like to write a future at some point in my life.
This tournament you had small moments, you had big moments.
No, I I think it's been fantastic every year and and it, I just never understand. Like, people just show up in March and they're like, this product sucks, go go watch some else and I don't care.
Yeah.
I don't, honestly, I don't think that San Diego is going to be that upset. I don't think they listed a podcast in San Diego.
Uh, we had some memes and I. When we were up top, we had some San Diego State fans saying, What's up to us?
And shout out to Coach Velasquez, assistant coach of San Diego State Yes.
He said he does listen.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I don't know what was more likely, SDSU making the final four or Hank hitting the lottery ball. And he said, Well, here we are in the final four. Some of us predicted San Diego State to go to the final four.
On this side of the table, I've never once predicted Hank would get the lottery ball. That's true. Also true. I think it's way more than likely that Hank gets the lottery ball.
Also true. Um, all right, should we talk a little? Women's Championship game? So LSU congrats to them.
Kim Mulkey showing up in her Tiger, uh, business suit. I guess it was.
Yeah, no, she looked great. I when I was looking at her, I was like, that looks like if Amy Poehler played Adriana from the Sopranos, yes.
I like that.
All right, wood. yeah, just hand up wood.
Kim Mulkey.
Yeah.
LSU LSU was fantastic by the way they were. They dominated that game. I know there was some ref stuff, which one of them was the Katelyn Clark technical foul was absolutely bullshit.
It was, it was insane. She threw the ball behind her back, it went out of bounds. Nobody tuned into that game to watch the refs. We tuned in to watch Kim Mulkey's outfits, but no, Kim Kim was, like, on the court, getting in the way of the refs.
And then they give Katelyn Clark a technical foul for throwing the ball out of bounds behind her back. Not even while looking at the ref. She wasn't like showing off the rep, she was just throwing out of bounds. And the worst part about that play, it was at the exact same time that Zanino got her fourth personal foul. Who they're? They're big, they're center, and she's dominant when she's got the ball in her hands.
And the pain. She got her fourth foul and then simultaneously, Katelyn Clark gets teed up for her fourth foul. And at that point, the comeback, if it had any chance whatsoever, it was over. But all the credit goes to LSU. In the first half, they shot nine for 12 from three from the first half. And they were a shitty, shitty three-point team in this tournament, coming into this game.
And they went nine for 12 in the first half. They were hitting bank shots, Carson came off the bench and had, I think she was five for five from three.
Well, they, they basically Iowa on Friday night beat, uh, you know, South Carolina by daring them to take threes, yeah.
It was undefeated.
Yeah, and packing the paint. And it seemed like that was kind of what they were doing again. And LSU was like, No, we'll take these threes.
Yeah, we need to figure out a way. Cause, I mean, the LSU was going to win regardless of what the refs were going to do because they were that good. But the refs were awful they called. I think it was 10 more personal fouls in this championship game than any other women's championship game in history. It was, it was, it was bad.
It was bad officiating, uh, from start to finish, and it kind of did go both ways. They had some bullshit calls against Iowa too, um, or on, Uh, they had bullshit calls on Iowa and on LSU, yeah.
So it wasn't exactly one sided, but it did seem that they giving their two best players four fouls at the same time that pushed it over the edge.
And it felt like one of the biggest, uh, championship games in the women's tournament. We also get the after effect of people arguing class online. So Angela Reese is that Angel Reese? Uh, for LSU. As clock was expiring, went and did the John Cena You can't see me and then pointed to a ring finger in Caitlin Clark's face.
And then everyone erupted in having a is this classless? uh, way to stay classy? Uh, this is bullshit debate online. I want to hear your take PFT, but I'll just say point blank. If you are genuinely calling things classless and getting upset and say, clap, like, get some class, you've already kind of lost.
Yeah, if you say stay classy in the year 2023, you go back to 2009 and then use that phrase. It's sports. You just won the championship, you're allowed to show as little class as you want. That's the one time when you can do anything you can. You can dump a Gatorade bucket on your coach and you can ruin their clothes. That's still very. There's no such thing as classless and classy. At that time, you're allowed to celebrate however you want, because, guess what?
You just won now. I do think that doing the John Cena motion at a time when you just put another team season to death, there's a time and a place for that. I mean, maybe we shouldn't make a joke about that in that, in that given situation, but I thought it was awesome. Caitlin Clark did it when she won.
That's so, that's the thing about having, like, a signature celebration where you might be a little bit disrespectful to your opponent. If you put it out there, good for you, but then you're also not allowed to be mad when somebody does that.
It's if you shit talk and you have something that you're doing to someone else, and then the. And then it turns on you and you lose a game. You have to expect it coming back to you now. ANGELA Reese It was a little weird how she, like, stalked Caitlin Clark around in. Here's why. Because it was as the clock was ticking down and her teammates were all celebrating that. Like, go celebrate with your team, don't, you know? Follow a play around. But in terms of classy, who the fuck cares?
Yeah, it's sports, you shit talk, you get shit talk, it all happens. I bet you. Kate and Clark had no problem with it.
I actually think this is a win though for women's basketball, because seeing all these people upset online, that's just fans upset that their team lost.
Yeah.
And so there, and if they're upset, their team lost, they cared enough, and that's good for women's basketball. Because at the end of the day it's kind of like, what was the other one we were talking about? Oh, Creighton fans like, we know how this game works.
If you are a sports fan, you are psycho, and I count myself as one. We're all. we're all sports fans in this room, you're a psycho. When you have a bad loss, when you have a demoralizing moment, you act irrationally, you act angry, you lash out, those things happen.
So I don't think anyone who's calling her classes right now like, I'm not going to be like, Oh my god, how could you? It's just how they're coping. And and and I bet you in tomorrow when they wake up, or a week from now, they'll be like, Yeah, that was kind of dumb. That I argued online for like two hours about class of of a fucking you can't see me motion.
Listen, we are a very pro woman podcast on this show. We love women. I love women, yes, and over the years, my favorite child is a woman.
There you go, my mom, some of my best moms are women. Yeah, over the years, there's been a discussion in women's sports because it has been underrepresented. Sometimes you don't get to watch as much of it on TV.
There's been a good conversation about just supporting women's athletics. Now we're making the next step where we stopped cheering for every team and we're like, I fucking hate that.
Yes.
Which I actually think is good because we're having the debate about it like we would about men's sports.
It was the moment that I hit me was Friday night. When I read the tweet of someone saying, Uh, I was a bunch of pussies for packing the paint on South Carolina. And I was like, Yes, this is good.
Yeah.
We're just calling, we're calling random people, pussies, just because we're mad. How they're playing defense like this is. This is the next step. Some of the ways are rationally angry online about the women's tournament, that's great.
Yes, one of the best ways to truly support women's sports is by hating women that are playing on a team that's playing against your favorite.
Yes, yes, be exactly so get very upset about your team losing, yeah.
We're very happy when your team wins.
It's called fandom, and having rivalries like that is great for the sport.
Agreed, agreed. So shout out to women. Caitlin Clark was incredible. I mean that that that tournament run, I saw the stat.
She scored more points, I think, in the NCAA tournament than I was football offense this year. Uh, she back to back 40..
That's, that's an unbelievable stat, yeah.
Back to back forties, uh, what'd she have today? Like, 30, 30, 30 all time record.
She was awesome.
And she's got two more years, right? she might go to the WNBA.
I think so, I don't, I don't know. She might make more money having Nil at Iowa.
Okay, but maybe two more years.
Yeah, so, uh, she, uh. Credit to Kim Mulkey for I'm sure. She pointed out to the refs before the game because they were calling it very strictly. Uh, her little, her pushoff move that she does to get open for three, sometimes off the dribble. They were calling that against her, they call it. I think she got two of those called in the first half.
And, uh, Kim Mulkey looked like she was having a seizure. She was so happy when they called that. Yes, but I mean, that was. That was probably the difference, right? There is getting her into foul trouble early and getting Zanino into foul trouble early.
And then, um, the their third score, uh, hitting shots for the wing, I forget. But she was in foul trouble too. It was, I think they had like four starters that were in severe foul trouble with, uh, about like nine, 10 minutes.
It did take some of the shine off being her fourth. There's a big factor, too. Yeah, yeah, it was, I mean, that was the worst technical, but you knew that it was balled a lot because Reese went up there and she breaked the two technical free throws.
Yeah, yeah, um, okay, let's do Who's back of the week? Then we got Bobby Hurley.
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Cause Hank's not here. Um, we'll get to you later. Uh, after we finish this, you can go do the Titus show.
I want Max. We're going to have Max, uh, in the middle for after Bobby Hurley, cause we have a question for him. Perfect, okay?
All right, um, my, who's back of the week is a peace Labor piece. The N.B.A. has a new Labor deal and a CBA, and there's some things that are notable shit.
That was my who's back? God damn it.
I'll take another one.
No, no, go for it, go for it, go go, go, go go, I'll add onto it.
Uh, so things we need to be paying attention to. Games played for minimum for awards, players have to play 65 games to be eligible to win MVP. I like it. So load management, we might not be seeing that as much.
The 65 most important games of your season? Yeah, uh, another one, an in-season tournament.
BOO But okay, I don't like change as a person, just point blank. don't like change anything that changes like day to day. I'm like, Oh, this sucks, like when I have to get on a flight, I'm like, Fuck this.
I want to sit on my couch, change sucks, and then I always go somewhere and I have fun.
I hate this, but I think it will probably be good, yeah.
So what are the benefits? They're going to count as regular season games, right? So there's so the winning team gets a half a million per player, so that's the incentive.
So half a million per player. It's pool play in November and December, and then they get to a final eight.
And then they play a tournament for a neutral site in Vegas.
Yeah, so finally, in the final four, it was the winner would only have to play one extra game. Um, it will. It. Essentially, the NBA was like, how can we make it so that LeBron gets more rings?
So he can feel like he's better than Jordan. Let's make a made up trophy in the middle.
It's kind of like the MAUI or Battle for Atlantis. Yeah, you get a trophy.
Yeah, I think you're probably the same with me. PFT. We're like, this is stupid.
I don't, I don't like it, I don't like it. Now. However, if if a team that I'm rooting for wins that tournament, then I'm going to be like, hang the banner up. Some would say that it's harder to win the mid-season tournament than the end season.
Right, and and essentially like, don't like change. But when it starts happening, the N.B.A. season, regular season is long. It's boring at times, it means nothing at times. So this will be something in the middle of the season where you're like, Oh, this means something a little different.
Well, that's that's exactly what this is. It's the N.B.A. admitting that their regular season is way too long, correct? It's like, why don't we have two playoffs? That's two seasons.
They have admitted that and then added an extra game.
Yeah, yeah, free agent spending changes. And also, uh. Marijuana is no longer prohibited.
Yes, no more. Okay, yeah, you said one and done one and done states.
Um, I didn't read them, which is the funniest thing that people always blame colleges for.
Yeah.
It's like the NB.A. rule.
Isn't it also a rule now that that players can do advertisements for cannabis companies and for gambling companies? Or did I get April fooled on that?
I think you got April fool, I don't know.
It's from Shams, I don't. I feel like Shams is not Shams. Not an April fool guy, right? If you're Shams. Or if you're Schefter and you put out a semi believable report like that, yeah, I think it might be a real report.
It might maybe that'd be cool.
I've always said the NBA needs more weed in it. Yeah, now that you're in Wisconsin, I see some gambling talk, but yeah, shams, uh. League's new CBA will give players ability to invest in NBA and WNBA teams, as well as promote and or invest in sports betting. Cannabis companies. Okay?
And that's the real shams.
Wow, that's real shams.
That seems like a big deal to me that they'll be able to promote gambling, yeah.
Um, okay, uh, pft, your who's back?
My who's back to the week is Brooks Kipka.
Yes.
Brooks, shout out, Brooks, he won, he's hot, he's the hottest golfer in the world.
Going into Master's week, he's back. He won on the live tour, he battled off Patrick Reed to finish a first place in Orlando. So shout out, Brooks.
Also, it sounds like it sounds like the live tour there. They're making this into an U.S. versus them thing, a little bit. Cause they said today that at Augusta, if a live golfer wins, I also heard by the way that live is taking an idea that. We did an interview with Shane Bacon and we talked to him a little bit about the live versus PGA. And we talked about the idea that the live tour could give just like an added bonus purse if one of their golfers wins Augusta.
I think that's happening, I think the live tour is actually doing that. But also, they said, Um, Greg Norman said. If a live golfer wins the Masters, all 17 other members will be on the 18th green, making an appearance to congratulate them. Look at that Patrick Reed, great teammates, showing up for everybody way.
If Phil Mickelson misses the cut, he'll be there. No, they're bouncing, yeah, they're bouncing, yeah.
So Brooks is back, Uh, for some reason, people think that we have a beef with Brooks, we definitely don't know.
I'm rooting for Brooks.
We're rooting for him, we're not only rooting for him, we were actually going to have him on. We have a Master's preview coming Wednesday with Shane Bacon, like PFD said, and also a pump up for Max Homo, who's going to be on the show.
We try to get Brooks on for it. He his schedule didn't work out because we were traveling on Thursday and his only day open was Thursday. But he texted me, he said. He's coming on whenever, so hopefully he wins the Masters and we can have him on right after, or, if not, we'll have him on, uh, in the following weeks.
It would be good for golf. Yeah, Brooks, one of the final group. that'd be amazing. Well, I don't know.
I'd have to wear like a split jersey. Like, like Mrs Kelsey, Yeah, I don't know.
You can't cook those up. Don't make me choose. Uh, I have another who's back of the week, okay?
Aaron Hernandez Oh, uh-oh. no, it's his brother this time, Dennis Hernandez.
So Dennis Hernandez, the one that sold a play sheet.
I'm not sure if he did or not. That doesn't sound like the Dennis.
I know one, the sole play sheet that, like, kind of ruled, like they left their play sheet and he just took it.
Yeah, you should do that. yeah, you should do that. Don't leave your play sheet out.
But Dennis Hernandez, He, uh, he's up in Bristol, Connecticut. He took an Uber to ESPN headquarters and then threw a brick through the window and on the brick. He wrote a note to all media members. It's about time, you realize. Spelled R E A L e y e s.
Realize, realize, realize the effect media has on all family members. Since you're a worldwide leader, maybe you could lead how media and messages are delivered. Brick by brick, cause it was on a brick. Clean it up, and then he signed it, yours truly.
Dennis J. Hernandez Okay, so. And then somehow they they tracked down the guy that did this. So, um, excellent police work by the Bristol Police Department.
I'll just counterpoint real quick.
Uh, murderers also have an impact on people's families in the real world, in the real world. Like, I'll just say that like that, that those people who have lost a loved one, uh, yeah, that that definitely has an impact.
Multiple murder.
Yes, multiple murders.
Allegedly, Yeah, actually, no, he was never, wasn't it overturned?
I'm pretty sure he was convicted.
Yeah, but I think it gets overturned. Cause he was in the process of appealing. Oh so, the fact that he offed himself means that his trial was never concluded.
Got it?
It was a hung jury, got it, got it.
Oh yeah.
So the Hernandez family is back at long last.
Um, all right, I don't have a who's back cause Jake stole mine. No, that's okay, stop apologizing, but I have more.
The Lakers?
Oh, what are they?
Oh, yeah, they are climbing up the west.
This is a very ESPN thing to do. If the Lakers win a game, are the Lakers a threat?
My Timberwolves choked to 17.
They were 17 point favorites to the Blazers and they lost top, so seeds four through 10 right now are separated by four and a half games.
Damn.
And Lakers are right there at eight.
Are the Lakers back?
They have LeBron in ad dating.
Listen, they get out there.
It's rigged, it's rigged against Minnesota. Can you imagine if if the Lakers take your spot in the playoff, the fucking Lakers who took your name take your spot in the playoffs is rigged against Minnesota?
I know my who's back, uh, Elon being a master troll, so, uh, there was like, Elon basically with Twitter, and I respect the hell out of it. Every like, two months, he announces a big change, and then a bunch of people on Twitter complain that Twitter is dying.
Where do they complain about it on Twitter?
And, uh, they're like, I met some of my best friends here and like this, this app has changed my life. If if this is truly the end, come, come, follow my sub stack. Um, and then the next day they wake up and they just tweet again, Uh, so the latest one was, he said, that all legacy blue check marks are getting taken away.
Um, and he didn't. We still have ours. I think he just basically made everyone panic and buy Twitter blue. Yeah, he did take away New York Times, but he, he then said We're going to phase it out so we might still lose ours.
He's like, but if anyone says that they're not going to pay, we're going to take it away.
I think that, yeah, I think it's basically, uh, kind of an April fool's joke on everybody. Yeah, it was on April. And then. And then if you start complaining about it, then he's like, manually taking away people that don't like his check, yes, that's.
And if you buy a company, honestly, if if you spend $44 billion on a company. You should be allowed to, like, make whatever tiny, minuscule, petty changes you want to it, just to piss off people that don't like you. But it's you spent 44 billion and I think it's worth like $20 billion, so he's lost $24 billion just so that he can be petty online, I'd say that's worth it.
It's it's kind of a genius business plan. Like, what if we said this is the last episode of Part of my take ever? So, uh, go buy a t-shirt, yeah, and there'll be gone forever.
It's like a boxer fake retiring.
We just keep saying it every week.
Our Kiss does a reunion tour every like, two years. some bands call it just a tour because it's like, this is the last one. Guys, never, you'll never paint your faces again.
Ooh, guess what, we're going to be back at the casino in Washington, Pennsylvania.
Let's not make fun of that. Because, uh. I actually was talking to Hank a couple of weeks ago and I was like, you know, someday, like, like, 20 years. We should just do like a money grab and just do a tour, so we will do that. Yeah, so everyone be ready.
Save, save a little money for that. Uh, we'll go to, we'll be going to 40 different cities in America. Uh, the elderly tour of part of my take, uh. It will be right after we split up for some salacious reason that we made up, so that way, the tour means even more.
Billy killed one of us, yeah.
Billy killed one of us. So, um, we'll have hologram PFT or hologram Big Cat on the tour. Come on out, it'll be sick.
Also a hand up. I took the bait on Twitter.
Oh, you bought it.
I thought I was losing my check.
I wanted it for Twitter.
I wanted to keep my check mark. I'm a big J, got me.
Yeah.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to hide from it.
Big, big Jake.
I have to keep my check for Twitter Blue.
Yeah.
Everyone can pay for it, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I know you get that part, right. Yeah, but when it's still blue, check in high school, like I always wanted to, check mark. Yeah, I don't want to lose it.
Yeah, well, so I paid for it. All right, all right, have a good show.
There's a lot, there are a lot of people out there, like Jake, I think.
Yeah, no, he made a lot of money, I'm sure. Yep, it was genius. Uh, okay.
Thank you Jake. Let's get to Bobby Hurley. Great interview with Bobby Hurley. Uh, and then after Bobby Hurley, we'll finish with the lottery ball, which we already taped. And I have a question for Max.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is head coach the Arizona State Sun Devils, also legend of the final four one, two titles, been here three times.
It's Bobby Hurley. We're sitting here. Let's set the stage because we're going to run this on Monday, so it's Saturday morning before the final four. Uh, so let's just hope everything goes well tonight because we're going to run this on Monday.
Do you want to? You want to do a prediction both ways, and we can cut out the one that's wrong.
Yeah, let's, uh, let's start with the other game here. The first game, right? It was at Fau, and uh, and San Diego State. FAu is like one of those great stories. Like that, the term it's built on, right?
All these underdogs and, uh, just a mid major that's kind of flown under the radar and gotten all the way so happy for those, for those guys, uh. I've had a chance to play in San Diego State quite a bit and they're a really hard playing team, hard nose team, so I like San Diego State to advance in the first game.
I think it'll be a low scoring, tight game. Okay, they're very good defensive team, yeah.
And then the and then obviously your brother's game, um, how nervous are you? cause like you can't control anything, are you? Is it feel like a game day for you?
Yeah, like it's starting to kick in now, the reality of it and stuff. Yesterday, we I was really busy doing things here for the final four and got to see Dan last night and spend time with him. And just, he was already a bundle of nervous energy. But yeah, it's starting to really resonate now. You know what's at stake for him and for, you know, for the family to see him do this on this stage.
It's just, uh, it's so cool, so just want to see him keep it rolling, man. I was in Vegas with him for those two games and they were so dominant. So just hoping that they're somewhat of a version of that team that I saw in Vegas for two games. Yeah.
You reached out to him at all with any, uh, like, actual basketball advice, anything you've seen on tape? Or is that just like an understanding like this is your team? You got it, like, if you saw something, would you let them know?
Be like, Hey, I think I see something with this guy's defense, how he switches.
No, I don't want to cloud his mind and his judgment, and I trust it. Um, we watch each other's teams like every game. So I think I know Uconn as well as anybody in the country, what they do, how they're built, what they're trying to do out there. Um, but as far as trying to give him any advice in that in that direction, No, I, I haven't.
Even I watched Miami play like twice this year. Yeah, I mean, he's probably watched like 20 games, right? He's he's crazy about just his film study and preparation.
So what about your dad, though? cause I would imagine, obviously your dad, a legendary high school basketball coach, probably the best of all time. Does he have like one play that he's been holding for?
Like, if any of my sons get to the final four, like, I'm going to show him this play, like I've never, I've never shown anyone this play. It got in my mind, Do you have anything like that? I would like to imagine he did.
Well, I mean, I, I, that's a good idea, but I didn't really think of that. Um, you know, for me to present that to Dan? I have a few in my pocket that I use only for special occasions. Um, but yeah, that's, uh, I didn't hear anything, uh, regarding that with with.
My dad blows the dust off the play, takes it off the high shelf, it's the, it's the pick and roll, yeah.
And the and also here, here's a little tip media tip from our side. Like, if they go on to win the national title, either you or Dan should say, Oh, yeah. Our dad gave us this play. And just pick the best play of the game and just be like, Yeah, that he gave it to us. And then they'll just write stories and everyone be like, Oh my God.
Yeah, just to pay tribute to our dad.
Yeah, I read that, uh, that Dan's rocking the same underwear every game in this tournament is his lucky underwear. I guess, yeah, it's got cartoons on it. Is that. Is he a superstitious guy when it comes to stuff like that?
Yeah, I mean, he had stuff he was doing when I coached with him at Wagner and Rhode Island, where he would eat m&ms every day. You just have to have a pack of m&ms. Uh, I don't know. He would always go rest right before the game.
I remember one game at Wagner, it was getting close to when the game was about to start. And his office was pitch black, and he was like, under his desk, laid down and stuff. So I think he goes into a really dark place sometimes to get himself really amped to coach. But, uh, that was one time that his his meditation might've went over the top.
He told us when we had him on, UH, on Monday. He said that. It's good that there isn't like a lot of tape of you guys at Wagner together, because you guys were just give the refs. Like everything was, there was there ever a moment where, like, would you do like a tag team, like wrestling? It's like, No, you get them, you get them, like, or he'd get kicked out and you'd be like, Well, now you got to deal with the other hurley.
Yeah, like, I got like three T's there as an assistant coach, so like. And then he would like give me like a death stare, like, Are you serious, man?
I like, it's hard enough to be controlling my emotions and now you're getting them too. So yeah, but uh, it was, yeah, it was back and forth. We would. And I was like, I knew I couldn't be like him. And he was the guy that's, you know, on the front line doing it. But I was like, behind the scenes, really, during timeouts, messing with those guys, yeah.
Right?
Right?
I was just working towards the future because I knew I'd be a head coach soon, so I had to make sure I get my game right.
Well, so that, like those years Wagner and then Uri, obviously, you guys had, uh, the first year, Uri wasn't easy, was it? When you decide I want to go into coaching and I'm going to be my little brother's assistant coach. Was there like a little humble pie that you had to eat, or was it? You guys are tight enough that this is this is going to work.
It was big time. Humble, yeah, and I just. It was all about Dan. And, you know, we talked quite a bit. And, uh, about him taking the job. And I don't even think he was a hundred percent sure he was going to take it, you know, he was had a great situation at St.
Benedict's he had coached like Tristan Thompson, Jr. Smith, all these guys, national program, but so it was a leap of faith to do it for him. But, uh, so I knew I was just going to come in and do, you know, put my head down at work and just do whatever I had to do. I mean, I was in an office with two other guys, probably the size of this room.
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