Howie Long, College Football Is Back, Trey Lance Traded + Mt Rushmore Of Fictional Animals
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Uh, we are going to do the Mount Rushmore of fictional animals. This is the last week of Mount Rushmore is. It's coming down to it. It's going to be intense, we're gonna talk some football, cause it is back again.
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Hi, welcome to part of my take. Today is Monday, August 28th. Hank say it, say it, summer's over, no football's back, real football, we watch real football. And guess what, there's no better way to kill your football buzz than having Jason Garrett call the game.
Yeah, it's true, he doesn't.
Have that saying he doesn't have the energy that you need, you need somebody that you need. Michael Irvin calling the first game of every season. Yeah, not Jason Garrett, who would put.
Himself to sleep talking. It really felt like week zero in Dublin. Yeah, it was like all jacked up, ready to go. College football's back. I know it was week zero, I know there's only like seven games.
They all, they all mean something to me. And then Jason Garrett was on there and I immediately fell.
In a nap in the second quarter, I'd rather hear Al Gore commentate a football game than Jason Garrett. But it's back, it is back, it is. Martin looks great.
Did you see how green the grass was? It looked? It was? So that's all I wanted to see. Check that off the list. It was not much of a game.
It was, it was, yeah, it was, it was watching Notre Dame, Uh, Hawaii being being pesky.
Uh, covering the spread, and then, in fitting fashion, uh. USC and the the returning Heisman Kaleb Williams, who probably the number one pick in the draft. And no one in America could watch it because it was Pac-12 network. Yep, I was watching it on a stream on my phone that was giving me all the viruses. That could not have been the better way to tip off the last, uh, PaC-12 season opener. To be like, Hey, this is why we're dying. Yeah, because we can't watch fucking Kaleb Williams play football well.
You remember when Oklahoma played against Army a few years ago, an awesome game. You couldn't find it. You had to go like deep into the dark web. Some guy like, streamed it, yeah, it was a guy streaming it and then the chat that was popping off this.
I love those chats, yes, but yeah, football's back, it is. It's good to have games that mean something besides, obviously, the UH, Commanders Ravens game, which was the most important preseason game of all time. I'm looking forward to this weekend, though. Yeah, so can I? Can I run through some of the games that we have?
You tell me how excited you are on the ball scale, okay, for the following games coming up. Uh, Virginia at Tennessee. Yeah, sure, that's a fucking whomping. yeah, maybe like, two balls. that's a two balls, two balls, uh, Ohio state.
At Indiana, uh, that's a two and a half balls, that's a whomping, that's gonna be a whomping, uh.
We've got West Virginia at Penn State. Yeah, that's a. that's a four and a half balls, four. yeah, it's gonna be a good one now, the five balls.
Yeah, LSU, Florida State. That's a five, five balls, six balls. even. What about Utah, Florida? Utah, Florida? Yeah, that's a five ball, that's another five brand.
Mercs Umass, Auburn, Umass, umass won outright. Sure, it looks fucking good. I might do it again, you know?
What I'm really looking forward to Friday night, Saturday morning. Whenever they put out the graphic of how to watch every game, what channel it's going to be on, it's like they're. It's the college football equivalent of when golf posts where the hole is going to be. That's trig, right? Yeah, yeah, he does a great job.
With that, I'm I'm just excited for meaningful football. Yeah, it's great in college.
Football, I like how they set it up that college football gets. I wish week zero, like everyone should play week zero, they should just move the season forward or back. I guess it would be, uh, a whole week where it should, just week zero should be.
All the games because it's nice to have college football get the spotlight for a couple weekends. Won't that be week one? No, then then you'd have week negative one? No, no, it'd be week zero, but all everyone plays, and then week one. What don't you understand?
Why does only seven games played on week zero? Why can't everyone play on? But I think.
What Hank's wondering is, like, what do you do with the week zero games? Then you move those a week.
Earlier, too. No, you could just have it. Everyone play on week zero, but then you move all the other two games, week negative one. Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
What if you just do all the cupcakes on week zero?
So every team's still playing and you still get a lot. I don't care, I just want all the games, right.
Now that's really what? Well, that's what I'm looking for, that's what I want. Uh, we also have the battle of Miami. Uh uh, Blaine Gabbert's Uh brother, who plays for Miami of Ohio, said. We're the real Miami. They're playing Miami.
I like, that is talk your shit, talk your shit. yeah, I like it.
They intentionally did that. They were like it'd be fun if Miami played against Miami, right? Get together with the giants in the offseason, have a barbecue. Yeah, first time you'll hear this, I think Miami's gonna win. Oh God, I like Miami Jake. I'm taking Miami R.I.P Bob Barker because I really want to do a bump.
Bump my 100 lock I, I will, I will cut off a testicle if Miami doesn't.
Win that game, there you go, there you go, by the way. R.I.P Bob Barker, The Goat Yeah, I, I'm sad. I I thought, Uh, I thought he was never going to die because it felt like he trended like three times a year. And I always was ready for him to die, and I was like, Oh, wait, he survived, then he actually did die, and he is in my mind, the Goat game show host.
Yeah, I know Trebek, it was great, it was the.
Goat Game show, right? And he was the host for so long, he was the perfect host for it, just like.
The perfect amount of kind of horny, uh, you know, made sure that everyone got their pets spayed and neutered. Would get a little pissed off when people were dumb. He just was the best, he was the best, he was all class.
You felt like he was built in like a Hollywood like 1950s Hollywood Lab, just everything about him. He was perfect. I love Bob. Did you know that he was born on an Indian?
Reservation. He was a member of the Sioux tribe. Yes, I didn't know that until after he passed away. Yes, and this was a death that most people were probably prepared for, because the second that it happened, well, he got the vaccine. Yeah, so that's probably why. So did the uh, the head of Wagner, who died mysteriously in Russia in an airplane.
He was vaxxed, he was vaxxed to look.
Into it, I've seen that movie, Why did that, man? How did Bob Barker? First scene of The Pain One?
What? Yeah, oh yeah, that is the first seat. How did Bob Barker die? Did they say? I think, yeah, just old.
Just of being Bob Barker Okay, yeah, I think he was like, 90, 99 and a half, 99 and a half, that's.
You hear this one? did you? did you see this one? Did you hear this one? Bob Barker, Uh, lived as close to 100 without going over.
That's a good like that. Yeah, yeah, that was that. It's great because there was one guy who was very smart and actually tweeted that, and then I just saw that tweet. 7 000.
Times by other people, that would be so deflating. Like when you're 99 and a half, all you got to do, you just got to live to be 100. Yeah, he was just awesome. I would tell people, don't don't publicize my death until it's I want people to think I died on my 100th birthday.
Yeah, but yeah, r.
I.
P Bob Barker.
One of the goats, Yeah, he really was one of the goats. The other, uh, big news from this weekend besides college football being back and Bob Barker, uh, passing away. Was Trey Lance getting traded? He's a cowboy, Trey Lance, I don't know, I think it's.
It's weird because I think John Lynch is such a GM, that's why he doesn't get criticized. Because find another team that trades three first round picks and misses that badly on a quarterback. And still is potentially a Super Bowl team like. He's built such a great team that he could do that. But that has to be one of the worst bus slash trades.
In in NFL history, I absolutely loved RG3 weighing and being like. And now it's official. Trey Lance. By giving up three first round picks to trade up and take this quarterback, it's the worst draft bust of all time. It's so funny hearing that from RG3, like, because the trade is almost exactly the same as what the Redskins gave up. Yes, with the Rams to move up and take RG3. Obviously like injuries.
It's a little bit different, although I guess Trey Lance has been injured too. Yeah, but yeah, you have to have a strong take about John Lynch and Cal Shanahan. I think they should be fired, Big Cat, I think they should be fired, and then I think that, um, they should be picked up by the Washington.
Commanders, That's what I think. The, uh, I guess it's. It's a combo of John Lynch being so good at other parts of his job, drafting other players and maybe a little bit of Zach Wilson going before him. Yeah, takes a little bit of the sting off, but it is such a bad trade. And then the guys that the Dolphins used for those picks, uh, Jalen Wattle is who they drafted.
They used one of them to trade for Tyree Kill and used one of them to trade for Bradley Chop. Pretty good, yeah, it's a good haul for Trey.
Lance got a good haul for that. Um, but yeah, it's if you look at how they managed to carry on with Brock Purdy. They also drafted Brock Purdy. Now he was Mr. Irrelevant, so he was like every team, including the Niners, passed on Brock Purdy lot, they should have drafted Brock Purdy number three.
They should have it's, it's actually, it's in a weird way. It's a credit to, uh, Cal Shanahan and John Lynch overall that they were able to miss on this. And they can get a quarterback that's not as highly touted who fits in their system. Yeah, so I I am. I'm very much looking forward to, though. The first terrible interception, DaC Prescott throws.
Yes, I will be clamoring, I'll be standing on the.
Table for Trey Lance, which will be exactly two weeks from right now as we're sitting, I can't.
Wait, the first DAC interception of the season is going to hit so different. Just show Trey Lance on.
The sideline, like, Well, they did bring in Trey Lance. Oh yeah, the camera's going to be right on them after that first interception. Uh, one more thing about I forgot college football. The new rule about first downs sucks.
The fact that they keep the running clock sucks. yeah, it sucks, it's stupid, it sucks. A small sample size, very small sample size, but, uh. The average amount of plays per game last year was 68.7.
Obviously, that's a very large sample size. Three hours and 27 minutes. Yesterday they played, it was 63 plays a game, so about five plays less, and they shaved three minutes off the game. Well, they just added more commercials.
They fucking it sucks, they're ruining college.
Football also was a navy game. Well, they run the ball quite a bit, yeah, but they didn't, I mean, they didn't have the ball that much. They fucking suck. Yeah, there was bad.
It was an ugly game. I just hate that rule, it was still football, yeah, and and what I like about the college football rules being different from the NFL is you can watch it with casuals and then point out to them. Actually, the clock stops on a first down until they get, I hope they just change it back. Did they change it for?
The end of the game? No, they changed it because games were going too long. Oh no, no, no, it does stop, yeah, at the end of the game, which is a rule that the NFL should adopt. Yes, it would make games more exciting at the end, but yeah, they made it so that the games wouldn't last as long.
They shaved three minutes again. Small sample size, but they just jam more commercials in there, yeah.
It's tough. Um, also, I think it was on Friday, the news broke that Steven Strasburg retired. Oh, you might be forgiven for not knowing that he wasn't retired. I just wanted to bring up, uh, some stats about his contract. These are fun facts about his most recent contract.
This is post World series.
Wait, he retired, so they probably should have protected him more injury wise so that we can.
Go back now we can officially litigate the Strasburg shutdown, which felt like nine months of content on ESPN. Should they shut him down? I say, yes. I think it was the right decision to shut him down. I agree they won a world series.
Uh, but here's some fun facts about the contract that he got post World Series, right? So post World Series. He was paid four hundred sixty thousand dollars per pitch, whoa, he was paid 2.6 million per out, whoa 7.8 million per inning pitch, and he was paid 30.6 million dollars per start.
Whoa Probably probably the worst contract in baseball history.
Oh man, that is shout out Scott Boris. Yeah, shout out Strasburg for getting that money. Yeah, no, no.
Fault of his own, he can do whatever he wants, but he should get staggering to think of four hundred.
Sixty thousand dollars per pitch. They should really, uh, factor in those type of contracts. When electing Hall of Famers like, he's a Hall of Famer, in my mind, Hall of Fame. Bad getter. He won a world series. He was like he did have moments of just pure like brilliance, and then he cashed in to an astronomical level.
Why shouldn't he be in the Hall of Fame? He played it well. Yeah, it's the American dream. Yeah, Chase Daniel should be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, why not?
The guy did it all. Making money, mostly, is what matters. Um, yeah. The only one who got who's done better is Victor Hovland, who made 21.6 million dollars in the last seven days, all while playing for Manchester City.
Too, yes, pretty impressive. He had a nice goal today. So 18 million dollars, it was a.
It was a hell of a win. It was 3.6 last week. Last Sunday, it looked like he was about to choke it away. On what was like the 16th hole. It got back to three strokes. They put him away.
Shout out. Max came in tied for seventh. Yep, with, like everybody else, I think everybody doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Great job Max. Top 10. But yeah, Victor Hovland, he's, uh, if you're, if we're just basing golf off the last two weekends, Victor Hovland is Tiger Woods, 2001.
I don't know why, he said.
Yeah, Rider comes, I don't know why, though. He was like, Yeah, I'm gonna go enjoy it, I'm gonna go back home, hang with my friends and stuff. 's like, Dude, if you're playing that well, go find a game to play. Yeah, I just, I just start taking people's money. Find a tournament, There's got to be a tournament.
Go into Go in a member guest, Yeah, play wherever you can. Is he on the road to Dubai?
Uh, probably, probably. I think all roads lead to Dubai. They do, yeah. So Rory taught us, Yeah, um, all right, what else we had pre-season week three, I don't know.
I'm just ready for the season, yeah.
Who cares? I really like I. Well, week three is now the new week four, or the old week four.
Yeah, although I was watching, yeah, I was watching the Bears game and they pulled Justin fields like in the red zone. It was just made no sense. But yeah, there there were some starters playing.
Sparingly, but I'm just ready for the season. Yeah, what do we think about Rogers? Uh, how he looks?
He's gonna be incredible. Yeah, I mean, did you catch the Jets game? It's a great game? Yeah, that's it, that's all you got.
You watched the whole game? No, I watched the, I watched the first two drives, and then it was college football. That's all you needed. Well, you just want to.
Watch, make sure he doesn't get hurt. And then Solo was saying that the reason why I wanted to play was he wanted him to have some experience in Met Life. Oh, like, get used to the stadium, on the new turf, on the new turf, on the new non-injury turf.
Yeah, experience the home logo, not ripping up grass.
And tossing it in the air, yeah, the home logo, yeah, uh. We also won USA, won Little League, World Series, that rocked.
Yeah, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, let's do it. Curse out. eat our dick. Well, no, because you're 12. um, curse out. Good game. Uh yeah, not really.
No, it was all-time announcer Jinx who was doing it. Steve Levy call Ravage. She was like, curse. Hasn't given up a home run all Little League World Series.
Next pitch walk off, home run. Yeah, um, the Little League World Series is good to watch. Like the funny clips of when, uh, or when a player steps up to bat and it says a fun fact about them underneath. Yeah, there was one that I saw last week and it said, This guy his favorite sport is baseball. Oh, I.
Thought that was really interesting. I saw one, it was the kid was, uh, favorite emoji, the eyebrow race. Oh yeah, not the double eyes. No, he's just doing some suspect things.
There was one that said.
Has a crush on his teacher, Mrs. Smith SUP, Mrs. Smith. That was a real one. Yeah, that was a real one, that.
Was a very real one. It's real every year that I see it. Yeah, uh, all right, what else in the sports? I? This is like our last. I feel like this is the last weekend of summer.
Yeah, Hank, would you like to say anything about? You're noticeably very sunburned? Uh, yeah, you know, I was trying to get.
Get in the last few days of summer, but it's it's over. I had my last. Uh, oh, you're admitting it, you're.
Admitting defeat. So you're done playing golf for this entire summer? We've won the war. Yeah, I played last summer, I played my last. Temperature dropped.
It felt so nice. I played my last weekend rounds.
Of golf for at least till October. What does that mean? But you work during the week, don't you? you're?
All business now, that's what I'm saying. Definitely no week off and weekend golf I'm taking off till.
Give me September, wait, you don't play this week no more. Well, that's work. Oh okay, all right. yeah, okay. but you are playing this week for work. Yeah, and when's?
Uh, what's October is that? Is that the?
Pro am, I mean, yeah, that we might, you know. By that point, hopefully we're in a good enough spot where I, you know, I can. You can take a little bit of time on Saturday, so go play so you're gonna put.
Pedal to the metal for the next four-ish weeks, No, for the next two days. Yeah, all fall, yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it is this. This does feel like this was the last weekend where I was like, Oh, I don't have anything like pressing that I have to be.
You know, I had all the games on, but it was. It didn't feel like it's gonna feel next weekend. It was preseason. Yeah, right, so it's it's, listen, even for the MBC people, they had. Joe Montana.
They interviewed him, they said. Five-time Super Bowl winner. So Steve Young. Somewhere just punching air, like, What the fuck is this about? God damn it. Um, yeah, I don't know what.
Anything else? I mean, cut day cutting guys. I have one for who's back, but okay, all right, all right, so let's, let's, let's save for who's back, we'll go to who's back, uh.
Kirk Cousins looks great. Yeah, he does. Have you seen the mustache? Awesome, he's got the mustache. It's part Johnny Cakes, part the dude from.
Uh, what is it? Office space? I was like, You know what I do?
Two chicks at once? Yeah, it sucks so much that we can't hate him anymore. he's just a nice guy, I.
Don't know if that if that mustache plays with Kirk, though, that's not that's not a nice guy Mustache.
I'm either gonna kill you or blow you. Mustache, it's a week three. it's a pre-season week three, mustache, like, he's not gonna go into the season. It's for fun.
Yeah, that was a that was a fun dress.
Up thing. It was probably like, if you're watching, if that was on hard knocks, it was like the boys. He lost a bet in the quarterback room. He probably got like, too high of a score on the immaculate grid that he does every day after practice.
Yeah, like, you got to do the fu Manchu Kirk. Yeah, so that that he's definitely shaving that, right? It'd be shocking if he came out there wearing that, I would.
Actually, think differently about the Vikings as an organization. If he, if he played with that all year, better or worse, I think better. yeah, I think better. I think they'd have an edge tool to 40 to 1, okay, they're 40 to 1.
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He's messy, Oh yeah.
Beat the Red Bulls, scored another or no? Yeah, an unbelievable goal. Probably the craziest pass I've ever seen in the in the sport of football. Was it better than his pass in the?
World Cup final, I think it was, yeah, I mean, that was a great one. You remember that one, Hank I?
Actually, that World Cup final was awesome, it was the best, one of the most enjoyable sporting events I've watched in the last year. I think, yeah, yeah, uh. But he's back at the craziest pass I've ever seen, got it back, scored a goal. A little give and go is the technical term.
I might be a converted soccer guy because of Messy I'm. I am the target audience. Every time the clips come up, I'm like, How is he this good? more like, How is the MLS this bad? Yeah, but I love that they're just trotting.
Like, I love how they just you can do that. You know who? No one's talking about, Ronaldo, we're playing in Saudi Arabia to no one.
Nobody cares, cash and checks, and that's it, no one cares. Not Messy, he's here for the love of the game. Messy is dominating and loves the game and the pink.
Jerseys are awesome when you're winning. Yes, it was very sad when Miami was just getting the shit kicked out of them. This is not Miami of Ohio, this is Inter Miami. But they were getting the shit kicked out of them for a long time. In the pink jerseys, what does it mean? it means inside?
Inside, it's one of those stupid MLS things where football club, yeah, where they they try to copy sporting, yeah, sporting KC, yeah, uh, D.C. United, you know, it's just one football team. Shut the fuck up, hank, No, it's just stupid.
Good one, hank, it's dumb. They just they got. Oh, Rayal, Salt Lake is my favorite one. Oh yeah, what the fuck, come on, they're just trying to sound cosmopolitan.
But yeah, Miami when?
They're winning. Those pink jerseys are sick. How sick would it be? If the MLS just named every single team? After a breed of dog, that'd be great, that would be awesome. Shout out our water dogs, by the way.
Incredible comeback, three seed, three seed, three seed. And I like that no one's no one.
Expected anything from us? No one's talking about the No one. No, not even us. It's just crickets, yeah.
Okay, that's your who's back messy, yeah, and walk-offs and walk-offs. Why? walk-offs for literally?
Yeah, that was a sick, home run peak of that kid's life. Almost definitely. Well, he'll say when he has.
Kids No, actually, I completely agree with you have kids. No way this is the second, this is the best.
Moment of my life after the walk-off. But until then, I don't know what you could do that. No, there's.
Nothing, there's nothing you can do for the first time. I'm sure he's dude, you think you think he's.
Seeing boobs, you kidding me, I don't know that. That is, he will never.
He has peaked, he's peaked.
What, what? Hank? No, I just they're 12 year olds, so I'm not not gonna go. What 12 year olds can see boobs? I'm sure like that, even the the high school girls they're, and they're in that kid's grade. Like anyone. Any girl, any girl that's within a 10 year radius of that kid is like, Oh, my high school.
Seniors like that 12 year old that just hit so home run, oh my god, yeah, and he's just like I want.
To hang with my boys. Yeah, I don't even know what this means yet. It's the last year of innocence.
12 years old. Yeah, uh, okay, pft. My. Who's back of the week is Donald Trump? Yes, as a golfer, yes, specifically as a golfer. He's 6 3, 2 15, built out of, basically iron. Pre-reported, pre-report.
Well, we don't know. I believe it, I actually did. I looked it up, I looked up other athletes that are 6 3 and 2 15.
So Trump is the same size as Lamar Jackson, Derrick Carr, Jamal Murray, Kenny Pickett, Kevin White. Your Guy, Yep, Lou Dort, The Other Guy, Torture Chamber, John Wall. These are all the same.
Body type Yeah, as Donald Trump, I just like being able to pre-report, I would like to pre-report my.
Weight at all times. Yeah, I'm pre-reporting that I'm also 6 3, yeah, and I'm also 6 3, 2 15 as as a golfer. Trump had a better weekend than Victor Hovland did. So, I'm gonna read this, this is from Is it Truth?
This is a truth, so you can't lie on it. Yeah, it's true, it's a truth, it's a pact. I am pleased to report for those that care that I just won the senior club Championship. Must be over 50 years old.
At Bedminster, Trump National Golf Club, shooting a round of 67 shot of 67. Now, some people will think that sounds low, but there is no hanky lanky, no hanky lanky guys. I know we were about to.
Accuse him of hanky lanky, but there was none, hey, and that would be Hank if he lost a little weight.
Yeah, it'd be hanky lanky. Yeah, as soon as. yeah, as soon as you get, you get into all business mode.
Hanky Lanky, We need Hank. Yeah, we need you on the basketball court. Hanky Lanky out there.
Stretch three. There's no hanky. There's a lot of food out here. I'm getting fat, it's a problem. I walked on the golf course today.
You did, oh yeah, really, you didn't take a cart.
Burned something off? Yeah, that's tough. So is six pack coming soon?
Yeah, the winner. Okay, cool. Many people watch. Plus, I'm surrounded by secret service agents. Not much you can do, even if you wanted to, and I don't for some reason. I am just a good golfer, slash athlete, I have won many club championships and it is always a great honor.
I love it so shot.
67. Did you see? He followed up too, because people were like, this is fake. He followed up with another true social, was like, Here's the, uh, the head groundskeeper at this club.
Call him if you have any questions. He just put the guy's phone number on the internet. really. yeah, you want to call him?
Yeah, we can. I gotta try to find it. Yeah, because I I think that it was a, uh, I think he's lying about the 67 I actually do.
I think it's more like a 65, but he's being very humble. How mad do you?
Think the guy that came, or do you think the people that play in that tournament just know?
Yeah, if you enter a golf tournament again, that's like a probably a really, really nice.
Club course Yeah, if you, if you're paying there, probably pay a lot of money if you're playing.
Against Trump or Kim Jong-un, you're going to get your ass kicked. They they should do the match, Donald Trump versus Kim Jong-un. What do you have like 11 hole-in-ones?
Yeah, 18 he would, he would 18 hole. he shot an 18, No, I think. I think it was like 12 holes in one. Let's not get. It was sick.
Yeah, Jake, you'll probably put that on the scorecard. Yeah, he did. he pulled a Jake, yeah.
Listen, no hanky-lanky with my stuff, though. Yeah, 11 holes in one, yeah, 38 in the world, 38 under.
Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean, tell me that you wouldn't tune in to watch that match.
Oh, that would be okay. Here it is, you want to call it? Yeah, let's call, all right, it's.
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He's gonna be so pissed, so mad. Like I remember when Billy put my phone number out there and how mad I was for like, three days. Yeah, this is at least twice as bad, way worse when Donald Trump tweets out your phone number, Oh man, you're fucked. Yeah, uh, but uh, shocker. Rick Riley says that it wasn't actually 67, He says. it was more like an 86.
Great journalism, Rick. Way to get to the bottom of this one, Come on, Rick, he said. The Caddies threw his ball 80 yards down the fairways and took it out of bunkers. Partners swatted all his putts away once on.
The Green members are pissed. That's it's on you if you're mad at Donald Trump for beating you in golf, also that he's the best.
Golfer in the United, that rules if you have your caddies throwing the ball down the fairway for you. Yeah, like, I'm cool with that, that's fucking awesome. Uh, okay, my who's back is, uh, Herm Edwards being a fraud? Uh, because Arizona state has a bull ban? uh, Herm Edwards was at Arizona State.
He waited. Arizona State self-imposed a bull, self-imposed a bull. What's different between that and what they've been doing unintentionally every off season? That's true, that's a good point.
Uh, but yeah, he was at Arizona State, got fired. Is he back on ESPN? He's probably doing some, probably back on ESPN, probably talking about like character and the young men, and like, he is back on. He joined last season, so so, yeah, so he's.
He's on ESPN giving speeches about, you know, upstanding character and doing the right thing. And, uh, he just left this mess, uh, in his past, so he's a total fraud, I mean.
That's what Herm Edwards is best at, though. Just talking about young men, yeah, and how important.
To develop young men. Still, the best is when he got that, he got the jersey and he couldn't believe how small it was. Yeah, he's like, What the fuck is this? Yeah, it turns out, didn't work out. And he's left, uh, a nice little fire behind for them to deal with.
Yeah, it is a brilliant strategy by Arizona.
State being like, Hey, I know there's a lot of expectations on us this year, we will not be playing in a bowl game. Don't buy those tickets yet. The 20 seniors were very upset. Yeah, they're.
Like, fuck, we really thought this was the year. Yeah, Arizona State's been decent at times, they've had a couple flashes, they had that big win against Oregon.
JusTIN HeRbert Remember that one? Brock Oswalder? Notre Dame, Notre Dame? Oh, that was when we went, coaches. Yeah, went to the weirdest bar ever. It was. It was, uh, we went to a bar in Tempe for the Notre Dame. Arizona State game, and it was like a legit club.
That, just like for the whole, the whole game was just music blasting with the biggest game they'd played in, like a decade. And then every time they scored a touchdown, it would just be CO2 cannons, CO2 can everything. It was so Arizona, that's perfect. Yeah, it was awesome. I mean, I, I can't really make fun of Arizona State. Because their college experience is better than pretty much everyone's college experience.
Besides, maybe Arizona, I wish that I had gone to Arizona.
Yeah, I stayed out with some kids that were there and we went out, they were burning couches.
Do you think Rock unintentionally went to Arizona that had a pool? I woke up, walked outside the.
Balcony. I was like, this is the greatest college of all time. Yeah, I feel like there's a good chance.
That Rob Gronkowski meant to go to Arizona State, he might have, and he accidentally went to Arizona. He's like, Oh, shit, I gotta have to buy a book, yeah, for one of my classes. Yeah, I mean, both schools.
Just fake life. Incredible, yeah, incredible place to go to college. Uh, okay, Jake, uh, my, who's back?
Is beads? Oh, no, orioles. Rocky's had a bead delay today. Oh, I love a good delay. Yeah, it's the best.
There's one every year, dude, it's actually this this crushed the over on. When the B delay usually is, because I feel like it's usually early June, we get a B delay. Yeah, and, uh, I'm pretty sure the.
Orioles Batista Didn't he get hurt? And he tears? UCLA or something? I said UCLA again, did that two times on Friday, he tours UCLA. Yeah, I keep saying, UCLA is the UCL.
I just start the letters and I can't stop. Yeah, it's just the train just goes off to sports brain. The UCLA, uh, he tours UCLA, UCL injury I'm not seeing. Okay, that's season that's very bad.
I feel bad for Orioles fans and myself. Uh, yeah, that sucks, but yeah, B delay that rules. Um, yeah, man can't believe it's gonna.
Be about playoff baseball, like a month. Oh yeah, your cubs are looking pretty good, dude, the cubs are.
Are beyond frisky. I need them to get in there well. They've been playing some bad teams well, but they did their work, they did their work.
You play who you play. Yep, yeah, five weeks left in.
Dingers only. And, uh, PfT is most likely. What is the what's the bottom? Just give us the don't say.
Most likely, Jake give him the bottom three. I'm like, the athletics I've got that e eliminated.
From contention next. Billy 96, Hank 95 pft. 58. Oh, I'm four, I'm four. Yeah, 106. Damn. I've been on a hot streak ever since I got that fucking p file off. Max's guy Ty France got hit five times this week, so he's now winning the league by 42 points. Fingers only first roll. Fuck Max, I miss Max.
What's that big oaf? You think he's listening? No, yeah, you think so. Do you think? So? yeah, say something nice about Max if he's listening.
Uh, I miss him. That actually is very nice I do.
Miss him, I miss his presence. He grows, he grows a great beard. He does that he desperately needs.
To have at all times. Yes, he's holding on for dear life. He wears a great, uh, high bun because he has.
Long hair that he never wears down? Yeah, yeah, his hair is actually best. On the podcast, here is the.
Great carpool partner, we carpool to this office. Is he? Yeah, actually, no, I've carpooled with Max.
Before, we've had good talks. What does he play? what kind of music does he play? Oh, Uber, Carpool.
Oh, you guys get in the same Uber. Yeah, on the way, actually, I'm gonna take it back because I carpooled.
With him, like in Maybe December and I, he talked me into a future on Villanova. That they didn't even make the tournament, so I'm taking that back, I've got. Carpooling with Max's literally cost me money. It's like, Oh dude, once we get this guy back, this guy back, oh, it's gonna be incredible.
So, but yeah, I miss Max. Um, all right, should we get to our interview? Let's do it. Howie Long incredible.
IntErvIew Oh, I have a question for Hank, explain it. Hank explains it all. What happened to Drake's?
Oh yeah, for all the dogs, right? Also, Hank, you know you're doing a powerpoint soon?
When is that Thursday? Me, Max and Hank each have a portion about what, uh, I have to explain the new N.FL rules. We assigned it to you. Hank has to do football math, and I think Max has to do.
I'll do the I guess Max won't be here, so if one of you guys want to substitute or can double up.
Same face, memes, memes, you got to do that now, same face, different place, all right, so memes will do that. And then I'm gonna I'll write a quiz for you.
Now I'm explaining new rules. Okay, yes, so be ready for you don't have to do anything. You just got to bring your brain, but more importantly, tell.
Me about time for all the dogs. He announced the album, put out the artwork, said it was coming soon. Yeah, didn't say when, and then he put out like a, there was a new. He has an Ovio sound radio and they put out a new episode on Friday night, so everyone was reporting that.
That's when it was dropping, stopping in the table. I'm not paying to talk with my hands, uh, but he's still on tour, so I wanted his concerts. He was like, I, I said, it's coming out, it's coming out soon, but I'm still doing these shows.
Basically, once he's done with his tour, it's gonna come out. I, I went to score.
Over, I don't know. I was told the album was coming out last Friday, that's what I thought, too, since.
When did they start doing tours? That just never end? Is this Tom Sagura? Did he do this well? No.
It's just nice, you don't actually have to be on tour anymore, you can just fly into a town, Taylor.
Swift got. Didn't she extend her tour to 2024 by like, three years? Yeah, that's crazy because she's a terrorist, that's nuts. Yeah, fuck, all right. So Drake, when is it coming?
When the tour ends, I don't know.
When that is, drop the album, Coward, Yeah, do it well, he said. It said, It's a summer album. Summer's almost over.
Summer is over, it's over, Hank, admit it, summer's over if I'm just basing it off the cover.
Art I think it's gonna be banger. Yeah, I hope it's a rap album. How mad do you get when summer?
When summer ends, knowing how happy I am, I get very sad. But I said this other day, uh, the difference between summer ending when you are a child versus adults, like when you're a child and summer's over. It's legitimately depressing. Yes, the back to school commercials. Instant triggering thought and just knowing you have nine months of hell before you can have summer again. At least in the fall, it's like I'd rather be in summer, but the fall is fun too, maybe the most.
Depressing, I just have to work of every summer. Just the reality of it is, uh, when your mom would take you to Old Navy, she's like, gotta get a couple new fits, let me get, let me get a.
Let me get a long sleeve with a with a line across it, and then another long sleeve with a line across it, I'm.
Ready to go? And then, if you're a parent, there's no bigger difference at all because you're so excited about back to school. Parents fucking love back to school. Yeah, they couldn't wait to get rid of your stinking ass.
Yes, they were so happy. You go to school, you left their house and they're like, Thank God, that piece of shit's no longer here. Get ready to get ready to read, buddy. They were so happy.
That I have to deal with your bullshit. Yes, yeah, having a having to read an entire book the last.
Three days before school starts, oh yeah, oh shit, I forgot about the the book summer reading, oh man.
Did that shout out Spark dude, I know Jake that oh wow, so you're you're admitting to what else?
It's not cheating, it's using a resource, it is. Did you read the book or just spark notes?
Oh, Jake probably did both. No depends, you cheated. Oh, it's not cheating. Now that I'm, I'm like living it all over with my kids. I just like, school sucks.
It fucking sucks, school sucks, you have.
To get up so early, to go to school, and it's just all you got to do is sit there and just fucking.
Learn shit and they call on you and you have to do homework. God damn well, they called on you.
You didn't do the homework? Yeah, no, I wasn't active. I was active in in class. I just, you know, I just like to mess around with my friends. Yeah, active in what way?
Like, I was always good, like some people were shy or like, didn't want to talk, like I was always down to do the reading. I would just throw my hands up for answers, like, If they were, you know, what do you think about this? And I would just throw something out there. Just to, just to participate, even if it was wrong. Homework, not.
Good test, not good, oh, behavior anxiety like projects, science pro. Oh, but I was active you.
Remember that bullshit that they made you learn math? math useless dude. math science useless, yeah.
Oh, dude, I. I was so bad at math, I never, even I've never been in the same room as calculus.
No, never came close. I took algebra two twice, I got, I got a worse grade the second time that I.
Just kept on bumping myself down to lower math. I took algebra in college, that's when I knew it.
Wasn't for me. Yeah, I took one day of calculus, walked out. Oh, and then they're like, you're gonna be in algebra, and I was like, I take an algebra three times. You made it farther than me, I literally.
Have never been in the same room as Calculus, we've never met. I never want to meet you. Why?
Would you forget? Why would you ever need calculus for anything? No, they. The best part was they would give you the graphing calculator, the TI82. Oh yeah, and then you just spend your entire time.
Playing drug wars on it, yeah, and the uh, what's the asteroid game that that one rocked, too? Yeah, yeah, that calculator was so fucking yeah. It was a tank, it was a beast. A couple hundred bucks. Yeah, yeah, uh okay, good, good.
Uh, talking. Drake Yeah, well, I mean, there's probably like a 16 year old awl right now who's listening this part, being like, Fuck yeah, fuck my life. It's not just you. School sucks, Harleywood sucks.
And also, Yeah, Charlie, Well, school probably doesn't suck for him, He probably probably just goes to golf school. He's probably super smart, the smartest kid ever, he probably teaches the calculus class.
Yeah, like, teach, let me handle this. Uh, yeah, no, this is, uh. It's good. We're keeping the young awls humble. There's a lot of talk about us getting old. Guess what, I'd rather?
Be me than you right now, bitches. I didn't really do it again about my education, but I feel like.
Going back to college is the best. What do you mean being the old, not being the old person in college?
That guy was weird, no, but like, going back to college in your four years of college, like, yes.
Yes, a hundred percent this week, oh, that was the welcome week where you just like, drink for an.
Entire week get fucked up. The only bad part about going back to college is when you, maybe you, uh, schedule yourself for an early-ish morning class on a Friday. Never in the first week. You're like, Well, this was a mistake. I need to.
I need to change up my entire degree platform that I have right now, so I don't have to. So I can still get drunk on a Thursday night. My first semester, I had Friday.
Classes not a single semester. After that, I take a single Friday class. I would literally like Tuesdays and Thursdays, I would go to, like, I'd work like a legit, like eight to seven job, I just go to.
All my classes and then just be done. There was one year that I tried to set it up where I had every single class, and I mean, literally every class. Only Tuesdays and Thursdays, yeah, so I'd have a four-day weekend, and I tried to do it my very first Tuesday in school. I had to sprint around campus, yeah, and it was physically impossible for me to make all those classes. So at the end of the day, I probably had like 25 000 steps just getting around campus and I just couldn't do it.
Oh, fuck, I give up, I'll do, I'll do Monday, Wednesday. The problem is that you should.
Have just knock on the class. That's what I started doing. I did all the two I loaded up Tuesday and.
Thursday. And then just stopped going to half of them, yeah, and read the book for that one weekend, though, having having a four-day weekend was pretty awesome. That's a little tip for all the college.
Students going back to college right now, uh, your professors are lazy pieces of shit that have tenure, so either go to the class or read the book. Don't do both, that's it, like all.
The answers will be either. If you go to the class and listen and take notes, you're good, and if you don't, just read every book they assign, and then you're good. You can probably take a shitload of Zoom classes, too.
Oh, yeah, just like, turn your computer on, go away, that's true. Yeah, you definitely do that. Yeah, um.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is someone we've wanted to have on for a very long time. We're completing the Uh, Long family trilogy. Uh, it is Howie Long, Hall of Famer, Super Bowl champ, uh, father of three great great men. And, uh, two of them who've become our very good friends in Chris and Kyle.
Uh, let's start with this. I mean, thank you for coming on. We, we really like we. I remember when we first started hanging out with Kyle and Chris, it was probably like a decade ago.
We're like, Hey, when were you get Howie on? when we're getting Howie on and now you're here? And we couldn't be more excited. I I think they were frightened for me, uh.
Kyle was Kyle, just they both love you guys and I. To be honest, I, I'm not a podcast watcher. Uh, Diane does play their podcast as she's walking around the house, doing whatever she does around the house. And, uh, you know, periodically, I just go, Oh my God, did they say that?
Oh, you can't do that, you know? I'm more buttoned up, I think, you know, my generation being, I'm now 63, so, uh, I'm a little bit different.
But they were excited that I was coming on, and, uh, they love you guys. You know? They both had different approaches. Chris was, I know, Chris threatened you guys, and Kyle said, Have fun. Yeah, and that's the difference between Chris and Kyle. Chris and Kyle are two different, two totally different guys.
Same house, same love, same same uh rules. uh, just came out different. Yeah, you probably.
You don't know this, and I think a lot of our listeners might not even know this, but I think you actually have been on this show before. I think when we interviewed, have I? When we interviewed Chris, there was one point where you, like, walked in the room and we screamed a question at you, and I think you might have said something, then walked out.
You're doing a drive-by, you're counting a drive-by. I, Yeah, Chris has done a lot of stuff over the years, as as you can imagine. So, you know, I know, I know they, they talk about your show a lot. Yeah, cool, yeah. And I I listened to a little bit earlier today.
Uh, you were talking, I think it was yesterday or the day before. What? DaRyl Johnson? Oh, okay, yeah, that one's I was, I was gonna say.
It's very hit or miss when you listen to an episode where it's like, you could get a really good interview. And then you could get us talking about something completely different. That, uh, you?
Might have been like, What the hell are these guys talking about? Yeah, and and listen, I've been. I've been at it for 43 years now, including, you know, the Raiders and and this is the 33rd Fox. So anything you want to talk about, we could talk about. We talked about Oakland, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, we could talk about the boys.
We could talk about, Uh, Villanova, which, uh, you know, is a good plug for.
Them, Yeah, yeah, I got an easy one to start out with. Who do you love more, Chris or Kyle?
I told them at the wedding because Howie just got married up here in Montana, and I said, Look guys, you know, I pulled both on the side. I said, look how, he's getting married and this is all about Howie. And I was speaking at the wedding. And I said, Look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna really talk. I know you guys keep score, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna really talk. Powy up. And I started out with, You know, a lot of people ask why? I waited to name our third child, Howie, and I said, Well, you know, it's easy because he's our favorite, you know, he's the best athlete in the family he's.
Uh, he's really just our favorite and and I want to just get that out now after all these years. Uh, you know, they, they.
Took it pretty well, they were good about it. I love that, I love that. Uh, you, you looked at Chris when he was born?
You're like, Nope, not yet not a howie yet. Look at Kyle, you know the funny thing.
About the funny thing about Chris when Chris was born is something people don't know. I had 11 fingers when I was born. uh, I had an extra pinky finger on my right hand. And uh, so here we are at. Uh, at the hospital in Santa Monica. Uh, and you know, Diana just delivered Chris and the doctors, you could see they were kind of.
You know, they take the baby and they take Chris over and wipe him down, and and they're there. I can see there's something going on. And you know, your your biggest concern, always, as a parent, is health, and you know that's number one, you know, gender, whatever it is, as long as it's healthy. Baby, we're, we're blessed. Um, and Chris said. Chris had the 11th finger, uh, and they tie it off.
There's no cartilage and you know, it ends up kind of dying off and they they cut it off. But, uh, we have that in common. Wow, that's such a good tight end. Yeah, you gotta leave.
That, yeah, you gotta leave that finger. I did want to start with, Uh, Villanova, and we could go through your whole career because it's an incredible career. But Villanova obviously not known for football. What was the decision? Uh, with Villanova, and you also boxed at Villanova, you are, like, probably like the toughest guy in the world, uh, but what? From Charlestown?
Why'd you go?
Why'd you end up going to Villanova? Um, it's a complicated story. Um, I left my. my dad left when I was probably about nine, eight or nine. Uh, he grew up in it. And these are this is the story that you know.
I think a lot of people don't know, but my dad grew up in an orphanage from birth to 18 years old. He was six, seven, 255, and, you know, never played sports. And obviously, when you're growing up in a, in an orphanage. And at 18, they give you the option of going into the or staying until what was then the legal age 21. He goes out and, Uh, joins the, Uh, the army, and they put him in the Alaskan Ski Patrol, throw some head 220s on him and shove him down the freaking mountain. I mean, that was his military experience.
He's in the Alaskan Ski Patrol. Uh, gets married to my mom, and, uh, you know, we, my sister and I, and we were also separated when I was probably nine. I grew up in a few different households, I, I had the good fortune of having really, really great extended family. It was a classic, you know, Boston, Irish Catholic, uh, Charlestown kind of neighborhood family. And it started with my grandmother, who was who was a widow. And, you know, she worked at Hood's Milk, and my uncles worked at either the projects or Hood's Milk.
And, you know, at some point, each uncle had a specific hand in kind of helping to raise me, but specifically my uncle, Mike and Edie and my grandmother, and particularly my grandmother. And the segregation hit Boston's school system, and I hadn't played sports until that. I, this was, this was ninth grade. Uh, we played the street, you know, it's a dead end street.
I'll be in place and at the bottom of the street with the L train. And you know, you went out, you played, you played, you did everything. hockey, basketball, football, anything was on Rutherford Avenue, on a patch of grass and by Hood's milk, and so we never played organized sports. But when that whole desegregation thing hit and the bussing riots and all that. My grandmother asked my uncle, Billy and then Ada, to take me, and he was the first relative. He was then working, I think, at D Street Projects in South Boston. Uh, he took me in for three years. And a high school coach walking down the hallway named Dick Corbin, who ended up coaching at Harvard with Joe Restick, senior. Uh, ended up kind of changing my life when he said, Hey, who are you? And do you want to go out for the football team? And I was 14 years old and I had started school early.
Why, I don't know, but I ended up as a 17 year old freshman at Villanova. Uh. But long story short, I had, I had two scholarship offers, I had Boston College and I had, uh, Villanova, and for a couple of reasons, a challenging neighborhood. Uh, I wasn't a particularly tough young kid. Uh, I didn't really figure it out until I was about 16, 17. And, uh, she. She had made the decision, in great part because she wanted me to get out of the neighborhood and and, uh, go down to Villanova. And I was recruited by a guy named Bob Capone who was a coach there.
And, uh, I went there with the clothes on my back. Um, I was. It was a challenge academically, it was a challenge socially, it was a challenge, certainly financially.
I never left, I was there Thanksgiving, Christmas, you know, Spring break. I didn't know what spring break was. I mean, you have no money.
Where are you gonna go on spring break, right? I went to summer school there every summer, so I lived in the dorm and I still see the visual of the dorm. With, you know, Sydney Marie, who's a runner from Africa, and you know, another runner from Ireland. And it were like five lights on the dorm at Christmas. And you know, I was one of those rooms, and Villanova was the best experience. I met my wife there, she was a classics major, I wasn't, uh, Greek and Latin.
So yeah, and I was in survival mode. And, uh, ironically enough, I played with a guy named Joe Rustic who ended up going to Notre Dame and captaining Notre Dame. You see his name in Rudy in the movie Rudy when he's checking the list. His dad was Joe Rustic, senior, who coached at Harvard for 20. Some odd years. Uh, again, you come to a lot of forks in the road in your life. And and the interesting thing was, a player either got hurt or pulled out of the Blueberry game, which they don't play anymore. Down in Alabama on Christmas Day.
Yeah, and Joe Rustic was on the selection committee, and Joe, Uh, you know, put my name forward, and, you know, ironically enough, I, I was on the North team and my coach was a guy named Jimmy Johnson from Oklahoma State. And I end up winning the MVP. Uh, you know, kind of like, kind of like Kyle's story. Only Kyle's was more well known. Uh, coming out of high school, um, and college, uh, so you know, I, I win the MVP.
And the next thing I know, I'm. You know, they have pro days at big schools, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida. they have Pro day, and, you know, all the scouts common. I ran 35 times, I ran in the snow, I ran in the rain, I ran on the front lawn of my dorm, and sneakers were.
You know, a scout was coming by and checking a box. No one, really, you know, in my mind had me pegged as, and I certainly didn't think I was going to be drafted in the second round. So, you know, a guy named Earl Leggett comes up. Defensive line coach, his same coach that brought up Michael Strahan, and, uh, great coach. I think he's, you know, as good a defensive line coach as I've, you know, could ever imagine. In the NFL. He built you from the ground up, and the prototype was a guy from a small school. Didn't have, you know?
Kind of a formulated plan, build it from the ground up, get in your stance, take the first step. You know, this is how you get off the ball, the whole thing. Um, and they draft me in the second round and I tell the boys when they laugh. My contract was 38, 48, 58, 68, 78, 88 in an option year. Ron Wolf, who went on to, Uh, you know, Green Bay Packer fame, and you know, he's in the Hall of Fame GM.
Uh, great talent evaluator, Uh. He was part of the group that drafted me in the second round. So I was, you know, I bought a used Coupe de Ville. Uh, I looked Oakland up on the map.
I bought a used Coupe de Ville in Tucson, Arizona, uh, from the only agent that would even speak to me, and he was used car salesman. Uh, I think his name was Bernie Perlon, and, uh. Drove out to Oakland and never looked back and lived with a guy by the name of Cedric Hardman. My rookie year played for the Niners, was a great player with the Niners and, ironically enough, was Joe Green's roommate in college at North Texas State. And we played them that year. And, uh, Joe came over to dinner in our little house in Alameda, and it was, You know, you're living the life, man.
My check was one thousand seven dollars after taxes, so then my sons get drafted and they can buy me. Yeah, that's an incredible, I mean, the whole story.
Is incredible. Do you think about the moment when this guy, your high school coach, just sees you walking down the hallway? And it's like, you know, maybe someone else would have would have seen your your, you know your size and been like, Hey, let's get this kid in football. But like these sliding door moments, it feels like you had so many to get to that point and have a Hall of Fame career.
I say, there's no way, you know, it's whether it's Earl Legged, it's it's, you know, the Blue Gray game. It's Dick Corbin, who is my high school coach, Bob Capone at Villanova. Um, I think of sister Mary Margaret Cribbin, who was, you know, someone who is, you know, being an athlete, you know, I I think at places, you know. It's human nature for a professor at a Villanova or University of Virginia, or wherever to kind of look at an athlete in a in a different light. And certainly, hey, listen, when you go in that class, your freshman year, and it's a philosophy class. And the question is, if a cow eats the daisy, does the daisy then become the cow or does the cow become the daisy?
I turned to the guy next to me and said, I'm flunking this person class. I have no shot. So it was a challenge, you know? And there were a lot of forks in the road, and I've always had somebody at each fork that, you know, and it's like, Fox, you know, I retire. Um, we want to raise the boys in Virginia.
We looked around the country, looked everywhere, from Oregon to Cape Cod. And, you know, Diane found this 65 acre parcel with an old 1846 Georgian, five minutes from the University of Virginia. You know you at that time, there's no internet, there's no, you know, cell phones are like a, you know, a briefcase.
Uh, you know, you're, you're really kind of left to your own kind of research, and you know, you do chamber of commerce. You're looking at weather, you're looking at crime, you're looking at change of season, you're looking at proximity to airport, you're looking at university town, maybe. And it came down to Chapel Hill and and Charlottesville, and she found an old Georgian house, and we restored it.
And, uh, yet again, another fork in the road. And, uh, you know, I'd like to say it was a brilliant decision. But we, we just got lucky and the boys loved Virginia and, uh, we had a great time there. And then I retire, uh, and I, you know, L.a. At that time there were floods, there were fires, that there was the riots, um, the whole thing. And it was like, you know, God is sending, you know, a message, get out of L.A. Because it was all happening. It all kind of happened at the same time and we decided we're going to raise the boys somewhere else. And we, uh, we decided to pick up and move to Virginia.
I, I, you know, I'm exaggerating, but we moved to Virginia on a Friday. I got a job at Fox on Monday, that's crazy. So so now I'm, I'm one, we're raising boys on on an opposite coast from where I'm working.
I'm flying out on Friday and I'm driving up to Dallas, and it's two hours plus up to Dallas. Up there. And you take a flight and you, you pray the flight's good. And, uh, you go out and do the show. And you know, you think to yourself. Well, there was a show that was going to be on TNT and it was more money. And here we had this Fox thing, which was a blank sheet of paper, literally a blank sheet of paper.
You know, it was Fox Sport at that point. And David Hill and Ed Goran and Scotty Akerson and that whole kind of group at the beginning. And Terry. And, uh, Jimmy and J.B, uh, who was great. And you know, then later on, you know, we added Kurt, and we added Michael Strahan, who couldn't? A computer generated a better guy to to be on the show? You don't think when you're doing that, you're this is year 30.
You know, when I started there, Chris was, I think, nine, Kyle was five, Howie was four. So my kids grew up with Terry's kind of, Uh, he's the Streeport, Louisiana version of Uncle Buck, the movie Uncle Buck. You know where all the stuff that you know, you can't, you don't want him to do, he does with your kids. Yeah, you know, and he was, he was great. I mean, they love Terry, and Terry loves kids.
And, uh, it's been a great run, but did I expect 30 years of doing it? And I coached high school football for eight years back there, I coached Little League baseball, I kept the book in little League. Somebody's crying in between innings, every inning, and you know, you're part.
You're part bookkeeper, you're part, you know, uh, I don't know psychologists, you know, it's. It's a challenge, but to be a part of, you know, coaching them for eight years, all the boys and in little league and high school. Football was important to me. And Fox was a network that would allow me to do that, and and I made that a priority. And they, they certainly respected that and, uh, were very supportive. And then, ironically enough, you fast forward here. The nine-year-old is playing in an NFC Championship game, or Kyle's playing, you know, I go to that game.
St. Louis is playing, you know, uh, St. Louis is playing the bears, and Kyle decides he's gonna, you know, get in a barroom brawl. And, you know, it was kind of a kind of an awkward, awkward moment, but there've been some. There've been some great moments where I remember when Philly was in the NFC Championship game in Philly, and you know, you're gonna remember Terry's like an uncle to the boys.
So I'm sitting at the desk. And our grandson Whalen, who's now seven, was I? You know? I don't know exactly how old he was then, maybe three or two and a half or three. And he comes by the set and I put him up on my lap and we're facing the crowd. And behind me is the stage for Terry's presenting the trophy for the NFC Championship game. And he's interviewing Chris and he has a dog mask on. I mean, you know, and I've got, I've got, I've got Whalen in my lap. And we're looking at the monitor and seeing this. And it was such a surreal moment. You know, I, I just I. I really have to try to, uh, you know, whether it's Kyle's Kyle with the Pro Bowls and Chris with the two Super Bowls.
And you know, we cover a lot of those games, we did the Super Bowl. We're down 28-3. I say, we know, you know, the the Patriots are down to 23.
I mean, Chris had a decision to make when he left St. Louis, and, uh, my thought process was okay. So why are you playing? and you know, you have money, why are you playing? And he said, to win if you want to win a championship.
He said Well, the guy in New England has gone on x number of times. They've been in the Championship, x number of times. They've been in this many Super Bowls, they've won x number of Super Bowls. He really liked Atlanta, he liked the coach who's now the defensive coordinator in Dallas, and he, he really liked his, his conversations with them. But I, you know, I said, New England, new England. He finally decides to go to New England. And, uh, and here we are covering the game. And it's the first half and then it's the third quarter and I'm standing next to Terry on the sideline and they're down 28-3.
And I'm the worst freaking dad in the world because I have pushed my son to New England. And the team he liked is up 28-3. And this is going to be a blowout. Wow, and Terry said to me, Terry said to me in like, you know, it's like, call it what you want.
You know, I mean, he's a savant. He just said, Don't worry, little buddy calls me little Buddy. Why? I don't know, little Buddy. They're gonna be Tom's gonna throw it all around the yard. It's gonna be the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history.
There it is, it's a genius.
Terry Bradshaw certified genius Yes. First of all, you said your dad was in the Alaskan Ski Patrol. That's pretty tough. Don't discount yourself, though, because you flew out of Dulles airport every single week, for I don't know how many years, that's, that's harder.
That's harder than being on top of mountain in Alaska. That's, in my opinion, the worst airport I knew out of. I knew every tree.
Between Charlottesville and Dulles Airport, not Dulles, it's just Dulles became Culpeper. I. I don't know if you know the area I'm from. Herndon. There was nothing between Culp. Yeah, there was nothing between Culpeper and Dulles Airport.
Now it's just merged on down. So yeah, it was. It was a challenge to do that. Travel, I think, year, I want to say 17 or 16. We bought a parcel out in Arizona, north North Scottsdale, and we built a house out there, so my my travel now is is much easier.
Do one hour flight home. I could be home at seven o'clock on a Sunday night. Yeah, so I want to go back to the.
Raiders When you first, you get drafted by the Raiders, and, uh, you meet Al Davis for the first.
Time, What was that like? You know, I really wasn't, uh, really, a historian of the game as a kid of Illinois, I mean, I.
I didn't really think about the NFL. Diane and I both. We laugh about this, but it wasn't in my in my wheelhouse, I didn't think about it. I said, You know, I'm, maybe I'll get with the team. I remember, and you know, I've laughed about this when I went and worked out for the Eagles. Dick.
Vermil was there and Dick was. Dick's a sweetheart of a guy. If you know Dick. He's a really nice, nice man. Dick thought he was helping me. When he said, Look, before a team cuts, you make sure they try you at offensive guard. And he actually said that, and, you know, in his mind, I think he was.
He was trying to help me and I. The older I've gotten, the more I come to appreciate that. And I sat next to him at the Hall of Fame this year and had a great conversation with him. Just a a good man. But I get to Oakland. You got to remember. Villanova has a priest on every floor, you know? And at that time the dorms were split up, you know, women didn't go in the dorm, you know, on after a certain time of day.
Or, you know, whatever the rules were, there's no alcohol, it's a dry campus. Um, you walk in that locker room, guys are smoking, Salem lights and playing cards, and you know, it's it's the Oakland Raiders, and the characters were larger than life. And you know, the first day you're going against art, shell and gene upshaw and pit drills.
And you know, just a couple of months ago, I'm playing Delaware, you know, in front of 3 000 people. Uh, so it was. It was a bit of a a shock. uh, and thankfully I, I survived my rookie year and got through it. Yeah, so you're that.
Raiders team Uh, first of all, you, you, you got the best compliment of anyone, I think ever, because Hunter S. Thompson, I think, uh, did a whole piece on that Raiders team that won the Super Bowl. He called you the manliest man ever, uh, which I don't think you can get a better compliment than that from Hunter S. Thompson, the manliest man ever. Which I. You are, I, I can attest to that. Uh, did you spend some time with him? Was he like when he was, when he was doing that piece with the Raiders?
Because I'm sure that like just seeing that Raiders team, all the characters and everyone involved.
It was such an iconic team, it was an iconic team and it had great characters. Um, you know the Lake Cliff Branch, you know all those people that you know you talk about.
It's Ted Hendricks. I think Ted, Ted would first. Ted was the smartest player I've played. You know, Ted could come in on a Monday morning after a long Sunday night.
And um, we, we pop up the video of the the upcoming opponent he called plays Lyle Alzedo. Um, you know Matt Millen, who is one of the great characters, and you know, if you, if you can, you could pull up, pull up Matt Millen. Howie Long, Pat Sullivan. Uh, it's. It's an image, and when you see it on your screen, you're going to go.
Oh my God. So what had happened? There was? We were playing New England in the playoffs, out the Coliseum. Yes, you know, we kind of, we kind of crapped the bed at the end, had a fumble or, you know, whatever. There's specialties player, whatever it was.
I mean, we we all could play better and we lose. But there was an article in The Boston Globe earlier in the week about how the Patriots never looked at local talent. And you know, he took great offense to it now. I didn't know who he was. I mean, at that age, I didn't know who was in somebody's front office, I didn't know who was on our front office.
So then Ron Wolf, I didn't know what Ron Wolf did, I didn't know he was the GM because you didn't have titles with the Raiders. So this guy's walking up and down the sideline, yelling at me throughout the whole game. I'm saying, Why is there a drunk guy on their sideline?
And, you know, I didn't know what the deal was. So now we're walking off. And Matt and I would always walk off together. And this guy, I could see, the guy. You know, my head's on a swivel everywhere I go. So, you know, if I'm in a restaurant, I'm eyeing up. Who's the biggest threat? You know, when I? When I'm walking off the field, my peripheral vision is is keen and I see this guy coming towards me.
Now now he's saying, Howie, Howie, and it seems like he wants to make friends and I'm just ignoring him. And he said, You know, hey, Howie, you know? I said I just gave him a hand or whatever and started walking and he said, You don't know who I am and I, I.
No, I don't know who you are, and I think I'm paraphrasing. But he said something like, I own the team and I. And. And then it dawned on me and I said something like, You know, unless your dad died last night, you don't own shit. And he, he extended his hand towards me and Matt saw this, and Matt club well, allegedly. Yeah, I'm looking at the picture.
It's right after he allegedly, yeah, allegedly punched the GM of the Patriots in the face.
No, he didn't. he hit him with his helmet. Oh, he hit him with his helmet.
Yeah, allegedly, assault, allegedly. That's incredible. And you know, I, I, I've seen, I've seen, you know him now later, you know, in years. Because he owned all the satellite trucks that that, uh, that broadcast the games, that's his business. And you know, they sold the Patriots, and you know, he's a nice guy, seems like a nice guy. And it was just, you know, heat. At the moment those things happen, but they generally don't happen with a civilian.
You know, I mean, it's one thing. You get in a fight at work, fights at work where you know you, you got in fights at work, you know. And and that's kind of the way it was. And there was, you had the Beat writer, you had three major networks. And there's no, you know, there's no sports radio, there's no, you know, internet. There's no 5 000 shows talking about it. Jaco Laser is not in your closet or under your bed. Yeah, um, you know, there's nobody.
So things don't leave the building. Fights on planes, fights in the lock room, fights on the field, those things didn't happen. Plus our, our, our facility was it was. We were an island unto ourselves. You know, the building was, nobody's in the building, there's nobody in the building.
Um, I compared to New England. I remember one time I went up and I, uh, was doing a story on one of the Patriots. I think, maybe he's J.R. Seattle, I think. And um, you know, Birge who's, you know, a gentleman who works for the, Uh, Patriots, and he's kind of Bills right-handed guy.
UH said, You know, Bill wanted to invite you out to practice, so I go out practice. And it's the indoor bubble and name another practice, where there's not one person, not one person, not friend of, not sponsor. Not, there's not one person in the building other than me standing on the sideline. And that reminded me of our building, our building was like that, Al was like that.
Al was larger than life. Um, and he had a he wore a cologne that, and the defensive line always was way down, you know, on a secondary, abbreviated field. During individual period, where we, you know, we did warm-ups and did individual drills. And he'd walk out of the building and you could smell that perfume. And I'm telling you, every coach, every was parkered up immediately because he was at every practice. Yeah, uh, and he was brilliant football mind, uh, good boss. I remember one time he walked up to me, I'm sitting on my helmet at practice, and he said, How long you think you're tough?
And I'm saying to myself, Does he think he can kick my ass? Yeah, yeah, Howie long is being.
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I mean, these Raiders teams, like I said, iconic when you guys play in the Super Bowl. The story kind of goes that the Eagles were all buttoned up. You know, no one's going out, and the Raiders, that's the, that's the, that's the 80 81 team. Okay, all right.
So so that was the 80 81 team, but the the Raiders from Al Davis down, it felt like the the team played with such swagger and kind of this uncontrolled chaos. And could you feel that when you're standing on the sideline? Like, these guys are crazy, but they're on my side, so I'm happy they're so crazy. Well, Lyle Alzado Um, you know.
And it's a it's a really. It's kind of a funny story, but Lyle and I Lyle came there in 1982. Okay, strike short in here, uh. We're practicing in Oakland, but we're playing in L.A. so every game's a rogue game.
So Lyle and I are living in a single hotel room with two Queen beds at the Oakland Airport Hill. Now I'm living with Lyle Alzado in a room. Think about that, I'm 22 years old, 21, 22 years old. Um, he was I, you know, I called him three mile, while you know, bless his heart because it was.
You never knew when, you know it was going to explode, you know he, he was benevolent, kind, tyrannical he was, he was a card carrying bad man. Yeah, um, and you know, we were close, as close as a 34 year old and a 22 year old could be. Um, and we would take a cab when, you know, we'd stay at the hotel down in L.A.
Uh, we take a cab first, cab drive, uh. Right after the team meeting in the morning, everyone else went up to the room. They left the stadium at maybe, well, you know, 10, 30, 11 o'clock. We left at 9 0, 5, we.
We wanted to be there early. Lyle won't get dressed, he lied down on the floor, fully dressed, not pads, you know, shirt pants, cleats. Taped up the whole thing and would fall asleep. And I would pour over. You know, out of east, near I, right? They run this 17 times, you know, that was my way of doing things.
So we get in this cab and say the cab driver will go to the stadium, so we're going, we're going. We don't know where we are because it's our first week in L.A. You know, he takes us to Dodgers Stadium.
Now the meter Lyle had a, you know, it's like a mood meter, you know? It's like the Rpms in your car when they're on red. And he was just curious. So this repeat itself.
You know, we finally get to the Coliseum. We take a cab every week, that's what we do. We did that in 83 when we went to the Superbowl, so we're down in Tampa Bay and this is before the Superbowl became, you know, the crazy kind of.
You know roadblocks, you know concrete barriers. I mean, 9 11 changed everything, you know. I remember we did that Superbowl down in New Orleans, which was, you know, really kind of an eerie experience. But so here we are, in this cab, going to the stadium to go to the Superbowl. Try to imagine that today.
Yeah, so we're in the cab, going to the stadium down in Tampa Bay, the Old Stadium, and we get caught in traffic, like a mile and a half from the stadium. Jam-packed traffic. Kyle wants the cab driver to go up on the curb and drive down the curb, the cab driver. Bless his heart. I, you know, I don't know how long he'd been here and he was. The communication was a challenge, and Lyle was MF this and that, and we get out of the car and Lyle. Alzedo and I, with our bag, walking through the parking lot of the stadium Superbowl 18 to get to the stadium from the cap.
Holy, now you got police escorts, you got.
The whole nine, Um, that's insane. Can you talk a little bit about your acting career? I've always been a fan of Firestorm, thought that was a criminally underrated movie.
Yes, the VHS copy is in Canton. I remember when we took the tour, they've got a copy of the movie right there. Fantastic movie. But what I didn't realize about your career is that you were supposed to be in that thing.
You do you actually you? I'm in the director's cut, but they cut your scene, I'm.
I'm in the director's cut. I I think it was it was a Disney film. uh, I believe it was a Disney film. So I I think the. It inferred that, you know, I and Tom Hanks and I were, you know, you were gay lovers.
Yeah, yeah, yes, uh, although there was nothing tangible to point that other than, you know, you kind of put two and two together and watching it. So Tom called up, he's a Raider fan and you know, he wanted to see if I'd come down and do this and I did. They fit me for a tuxedo and I'm driving this car and I'm at this, uh, historic hotel in in downtown L.A. that was closed. Uh, and we shoot this scene late at night and I'm waiting for him. And one of the band members who's a problem needs to get back to wherever. And so, you know, I, I'm excited.
I'm in the film and and the film comes out, and I'm not in. My assumption was, and I, I can't, you know, because it's in the director's cut. If you watch the director's cut, it's in the director's cut, and you can YouTube and watch it. It's it's, uh, an awkward little scene, uh, but uh, yeah, I did that. And then, uh, I got a call about Broken Arrow, and, uh, John Wu was directing Broken Arrow. And I was supposed to be there for three weeks.
I ended up staying for three months and John Wu kept coming in my trailer and saying, You're John Wayne, I make you bigger, you know? And just kept coming in. And, you know, adding, And so I'm basically driving around a hummer with John Travolta for, you know, for two, two and a half months. Uh, and and Box had signed me to a, uh, a two-picture deal with, uh. They had the right, if someone else made an offer to do something outside of that contract, to preempt me. Within five days. Disney made an offer to do a film, and, uh, they came up with Firestorm.
Not only did they preempt me, but they had me do the film during football season in Canada. So I'm getting done with our show, landing in Canada, going through customs, the whole thing, getting to the hotel, getting up at six o'clock in the morning Monday through Friday. I'm up in the woods and whistler shooting this film. Go back down. I've got a production meeting Saturday morning, I've got to be back down there on Friday night. And, uh, it happened for three months. And I'm getting calls from home, uh, from Diane, where the boys have set up ramps and they're jumping their bikes in the pool. And you know how he's getting pulled out of Carpool. So that film for me, whether, you know, listen, I'm not saying, you know, that was a direction I would go in, or, you know, I was any good or anything. But the option of it to me wasn't viable. You know, because here I am, I'm on the road for three months.
I'm working seven days a week, right? Uh, for three months, and the boys are home and dies there. And she's, you know, she had a thriving law practice in L.
A She went to law school at USC and she had given all that up to raise the boys. And here I am on the road and she's by herself, and, you know, she's got these kids. And I made a decision at that point that, you know, it was going to be about them as much as it possibly could be. And, uh, I don't regret a bit of it, you know, I don't think you ever regret that. And I think I saw this somewhere, I don't know where I saw in the video.
Somebody said, Uh, the greatest accomplishment, or the biggest compliment you can get is that your kids, as adults, want to spend time with you. Yeah, and you know, I'm very lucky that, uh, we have. I have Diane, Diane's a saint, so she has a great relationship. But you know, the dad thing, being a pro football player and two sons playing pro football, there's a lot of. There's that father-son angst, you know, they're always being compared, and you know whether I want to be remind.
They want to be reminded of it, you know, they? they're reminded all the time who their dad is. And I tried to be in the shadows as much as I possibly could be and and try to enjoy the ride. And I think we did a as good a job as we could. I want to go back to, I mean.
You have done an unbelievable job. Your sons are great and I we we love them. So I'd say you, you might be dad of the year, dad of the Dad of the millennium. Uh, including manliest man on planet Earth. Uh, I wanted to go back about that, I wanted to go back to a quick story about, uh, the lockout year.
A little birdie told me that, Uh, you're a good basketball player and you used to play in pickup games with the Lakers, who were pretty good at the time. I, if I remember, Uh, is that true? No, no.
No, no, no, I'll tell you what it is. One I did play, you know, at that time there was no th. We didn't have much of a weight room. You know, nutrition was a non-factor, physical therapy, deep tissue. none of that it was.
There was none of that. Uh, basketball, like at Villanova, was my way of staying in shape and playing, and I played Manhattan Beach a lot. uh, I played with the guys from Villanova. Eddie Pickney. At one point, we had a court up here in Montana at our first house, Blacktop Court, and I remember it was. Uh, the Steve Kerr, um, uh, Larry Kustoviak, Frank Burkowski, um, uh, the brothers, the the the Barry brothers, uh, were up there.
We would have pickup games up there, occasionally, you'd see a you know, I, I don't remember playing against, you know, anybody that was of any consequence in the N.B.A. But in L.A. Uh, but up in Montana, every year there was a party up here on the Fourth of July for all those guys in the basketball group. All got together and they we played pickup games over at my house, uh, on the lake. So what's your game like? is it a football?
Player playing basketball or do you have a real basketball game? Because you know what it looks?
Like, when a football player plays basketball, yeah, you know, I would say no left because my shoulder is. I had it replaced a few years ago. I mean, that didn't go up above my, you know, it's like it stops, so left hand wasn't great.
Uh, you know, enjoyed running, I could run and that was the thing that, you know, and I always told the boys. I said, you get an opportunity to run, show somebody, you can run. Even when you're big, like Kyle, run. And Kyle's like, like the tiger at the zoo, you know, tiger's laying there on the ground and it's cool, and it's boy, it's big.
And and then all of a sudden, it gets up and takes off and runs 10 yards and jumps over a 10-foot wall. Yeah, um, you know, you got to show people that you can do that, and all you wanted to do is compete. Whether that's playing defense or, you know, you know what your role is. Uh, I enjoy, I love playing basketball. I couldn't imagine being paid to play basketball. Yeah, that would be so much fun.
And now I can't, you know, I mean, with all the surgeries, I can't play basketball anymore, what?
About your audition for Fox NFL Sunday? Yeah, that show, because I we love the show, right? It seems like you guys get along really well, watching the relationships between you guys develop. Over the years, it's been, it's been a big part of a lot of people's football watching experience. But I'm curious, what was it like when they're starting to show you're auditioning for it?
It was I had gone.
Well, you have to, kind of, let's set the table. And and not knowing this at the time. David Hill came over from Australia and England. And you know, Sky TV, and you know he'd done everything there was to do in Europe. And Rupert, Yeah, I tagged him to, you know, create this Fox Sports out of nothing and hire everyone. And the pre-game shows at that point were half hour, and the thought of doing it one hour long pre-game show, people were saying, you're crazy.
What could you do in an hour and an hour? As you know, flies by it, just with commercials and everything else just flies by. And no one told me what they wanted at the time. They were just running people in and, you know, doing it, and I thought they wanted, like Bob Costas, and I did every conceivable.
Research pinpoints on games Watch the Million Games. You know, it's a hypothetical week. And I spoke to the committee, I literally spoke to the commissioner, I spoke to multiple coaches.
I spoke to, you know, and I had a stack of papers this big. And what he'd seen was he'd seen me doing an interview like this and where he saw that. You know, local news or whatever. Or I did HBO inside the NFL. And I had my own segment. Where you literally ran the prompter with a scroll, you wrote it on a scroll, honest to God, you wrote it on a scroll. And you, you had a your hand down here, hitting the button to start the prompter. And that was kind of my first experience with doing something. And from a national standpoint.
So I go in there and I'm, I'm buttoned up, I'm stiff, I'm, you know, I'm doing the kind of prototypical. David Hill wanted a show that probably like your show, where you know, it's two guys sitting around, having a conversation in a family room. And and until it gets to that point where you actually feel that way, uh, you're not capturing the essence of what he wanted. And and it. You know, Terry was very helpful with that, you know? Day one wasn't good, day two was better.
And, uh, they wanted a player, defensive player, they want an offensive player, quarterback, they wanted a head coach, and that was what they, uh, they cast. I mean, so it wasn't a great, it wasn't a great audition from what I gather.
Uh, David Hill reminds me of that all the time. But I said, Well, you know you, you, 30 years later, you did something right. Yeah, how long?
Into the show, until Terry said something just outrageous that really, like, popped that balloon. That really made everybody seem like. I have to imagine that he's the one that kind of made everybody comfortable and went off script or or went off on a weird tangent, maybe mispronounced.
The word cat, I don't know, no, you, well, let me let me say this, and you know, and you're a classic example of this. He's he's got that jet clamp, but he's got that jet clamp that I'm going out to the cement pond.
Do my gazintas down pat. He's rode that thing all the way to a bank account that, you know. Trust me, he's one of the smartest people I know, truly, he really, really is. He's brilliant when you turn on the light, regardless of what's happened during the week.
You know the issues that he's had over the last two years, and you know the last two years, you know him dealing with the medical issues that he's had. You know, people didn't realize how challenging and difficult it was, and what a challenge it was for him. To, you know, to be on air and be, you know, sharp and coherent, and you know, and all that. Um, he's a brilliant guy, but, trust me, we're not a rehearsal show.
Uh, we do our show live, we don't rehearse, uh. And the reactions when he says things are so genuine, because it's like, Oh my God, did he just say that? You know, he's kind of the white Charles Barkley? Yeah, it makes the show. Yeah, yeah, it really does. I've always said that I think Terry, you know, God bless him.
You know, it's 30 years, we've been together 30 years, and you know, early on there were, you know, we couldn't look, we couldn't be any more different. You know, I'm from Boston, he's from Freeport, he's Baptist, I grew up Catholic. VillanoVa, Louisiana Tech quarterback, defensive lineman, Steeler, Raider.
You know, he's, we couldn't be any more different, but we. He's like the older brother I could have never imagined having. Yeah, uh, it's a great relationship, yeah.
Um, I want to talk a little ball about this year. I'm sure you've done some prep, Uh, what is a little? Yeah? What's a team that you've got circled, that you're like, Okay, this is a team that could surprise some, some people that maybe people aren't, you know, looking at not a Chiefs or, you know, an Eagles, but a team that you're like.
I like what they're building and I could see something.
This might be the year they take the next step. Um, I think there's about. It's interesting because I looked at it from that perspective last night. You know, I was sitting here late last night and said, You know, look, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Baltimore, Dallas. Chargers jets are, are they are they, are they real? Is it, you know, a mirage? I don't know, but it's going to be fun to watch.
Uh, I would say teams like, and I'm not sure if the Seahawks are surprising. But I I kind of love what they've done there, what the GM and the head coach have done there. Again. Yeah, you know, they had, they had kind of a little, they had a little bit of a gap there where they got off track. And you know, maybe they didn't hit on the draft picks that they usually hit on, particularly with mid-round picks. And you know, you certainly want to hit on a quarterback, and I think the quarterback for them at this point. And I think he's a, you know, he's, he's. He really had a great year last year.
He's a bridge to, you know, whoever that is down the road, whether it's through the draft or create whatever it is. Uh, but they're a team that I like, Jaguars, I think, are going to be a team that. You know, I remember the that, that game down there in the in the UH, playoffs. And we were at a dinner that, you know, Jimmy was talking about, maybe retiring. So we didn't get to see a lot of it and I went back and looked at it again. And I, I like what they're doing down there. I like Doug.
Uh, I think Doug brings a a calm, particularly to the, uh, the quarterback room, and I think that's if you've got a quarterback, you have to have somebody, somebody. And you know whether it's in Detroit with their offensive coordinator, and I like what Detroit does. And you know, the head coach is, he's great I, he's just he's great TV, he's great, he's a great lesson.
Uh, you know, I can relate to him, I think, Russell.
Russell is, you know I, I coached against Russell in high school, so you know I. I've seen him for a long time. He's been the same. The guy you see over the last 10 years is the same guy he was in college, same guy.
He was in high school, you know, he was one of those guys that was 20 when he was 12, you know, just mature. I remember he was throwing a football because Kyle and him played baseball against each other.
They both got drafted Major League baseball. Um, and I was in a parking lot in Richmond and we were thrown, I was throwing a football with him. And he's a 13 14 year old kid. And I called University Virginia, and I said, there's a 13 14 year old kid down here in Richmond that throws the ball better. You have on the page, geez now, yeah, I said you, you need to.
You need to, you know, offer this kid that was before you never went off, Prototype decides. Yeah, whether it's whether it's Bill Parcells, or, you know, you fill in the blank, any great team at that point, or any great GM or head coach. I want six, four, I want 225. I want, you know, big arm, I want some athleticism, but I want a pocket quarterback. And you know, Russell is a guy that I think needed Sean Payton to come in.
I think you always have to have a friend. I don't know if you do. You know, I had friends. Bill Piquel was a good teammate of mine. Uh, Queens, New York guy, and, you know, Diane, certainly, you know.
Would someone who would say to me, You know what, you're acting like a horse fast, you know? Come on, dial it back, get, get. Let's get back on who you are, what you're about, and you know, let's get the the train back on the tracks. I thought Russell got big. not not because Russell was out of shape, right? Russell maybe just lifted too much. He was he.
You know, Russell's not out of shape. he's never gonna be out of shape to say that. Russell fell off a cliff in one year with he had some injuries, you know, let's factor that in.
The offensive line was bad, the running back went down. You know, there there were their built-in excuses. But you have to be able to read the room, particularly that guy, that guy has to be kind of the the barometer for the team.
He sets the pace, he sets the agenda, and I think Sean is the guy that will come in. And he's not afraid to tell you. You know, the office thing, that's not, no, we're not doing that, the the coach that you have, you know, in the office. Looking at filmmaking suggestions? No, we're not doing that, we're gonna get back to the basics.
We're gonna go back to run the football, we're gonna make the offensive line better, we're gonna get back to doing the things. And and tailor the offense to a version of what Sean's run down in New Orleans and adapted to Russell and that defense, what did they give up? 16 points a game?
Yeah, they were awesome. Yeah, yeah, you give up 16 points a game in the NFL, you should be winning some football games now. They lost some close games Denver could be.
You know, I think Russell's gonna be better. I love Sean Payton. Sean Payton, you know? look, Sean Payton can talk the bark off a tree. Uh, you know, he's. He loves football and loves talking every single play.
And, you know, sitting in the green room with him was, you know, I. I've had a great luxury of being next to Jimmy Johnson for all these years. And it's like, you know, the Einstein of football, and and how to build a football team and how to manage people. And the whole thing is sitting, you know, two seats down for me for almost 30 years, he took a three, I took three years off to coach.
Miami Sean was a different perspective and a different way to look at it, which I I think was really good for me. At least I enjoyed hearing that and I think he's going to be great for Russell. And yeah, and you've got a new colleague.
A friend of ours, Julian Edelman joining Fox. Yeah, uh, I hope you're ready, because he's probably listening to this right now, actually. Uh, you have to be ready to just beat all the Patriots homerisms out of him. Because he's going to be, he's going to be like a PR person. For the new England Patriots. On set, you have to be ready to be like, Julian, you're not calling it straight, you got Bill?
Bill in your ear, Bill, Bill, uh, the art of being a producer on a show is, and Bill has mastered it. You know, it's, it's a one word kind of pop in your ear, which is great. You know, I don't need somebody.
You know, nobody does, nobody needs someone barking in their ear. Um, Bill does a great job of it. Julian. Listen, when you've won as much as he's won, and you've won as many Super Bowls as he's won, um, God bless him. Knock yourself out, you want to puff your chest out?
You, you certainly can't do that. I mean, Terry's won four, he went to four, one four was two-time MVP.
Um, those stealers, I think, won four in six years. Uh, so I'm used to it, I'm used to. You know, everyone on that set has a reason to peacock up, Yeah, you know.
Uh, and I think he'll, he'll fit right in, he's.
He seems like a really, really good guy. Um, I had one last question. It's a rowback question. This has been great, by the way. We'd love to have you on anytime.
You want to talk? Paul? Uh, it was. It was a you. You are a guest. We've circled for a very long time.
Uh, the rowback question, rhoback.
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You look good in everything. I you, you have, I know about that. Yeah, no, you do.
You do, um, I'm a nine iron I. I've looked good from about 120. I don't know then what would.
Then we're we're drivers where I don't, I'm a Mac Boys driver, I'm a potato gun. Yeah, 340, I need 340 to look good.
I'm a howitzer. Yes, yes, um, so the other little birdie note I got, Uh, you are a big boater, you, you boat a lot. Uh, you're out Montana.
You also rescue a lot of people with your boat. How many people have you rescued in your life? Uh, with your boat? This is I. I can't imagine like being in distress, whether you run out of gas or whatever, and having howie long come and rescue.
That's got to be the coolest feeling in the world. I, you know, I don't know if when you're, when you're in peril in the water and you're, you know, whether it's your, your sail boat or whatever is capsized. And you know, you're scrambling to, kind of, you know, one. Stay on the boat and hope the boat doesn't sink. Or people are broke down and you've got to pull them in. It's, you know, it's, it's Montana, it's a. It's a 28 long, 28 mile long lake, and it's 15 miles wide at the widest point. And like, like in Chicago, you know, that lake, can, you know, it can act like an ocean real quick?
And, uh, you know, we've, we've certainly bailed some people out. But you know what? I would hope that if my wife was out there in a boat and I was on the road that, uh, somebody would do the same thing. I mean, you know, it's just it's like, you know, we used to do that.
I remember when you used to drive down the road and somebody was on the side of the road. You know, you say to yourself, you know, should I pick this person up? You know, nowadays, you're inclined not to do it because you don't feel safe. Because I don't know whether it's the news or the volume of news where you're just afraid to do things like that. But somebody's out in the water that's yelling for help, Um, yeah, I'll hop in my.
Boat in a heartbeat. So how many? What's the number? what's the number of rescues you've done, I'd say?
Over over the years.
What do you think? Die? How many times that we rescued people?
Over 50 inches, that's incredible. You're, you're, you're a superhero, you're, you're a real life.
Superhero No, please. There's a lot of people in this lake who are who've done the same thing. We. We sold our old boat, our original boat was a 22 foot cobalt, and we now have a 28 foot. Because with the grandkids and everything that we wanted to be, you know, safer. And you know, if we got caught up in big fork with a storm, the ride back can be pretty rough. But our neighbor, who's a doctor and he was just a sweetheart of a guy in our first house here. And, uh, he was out there by himself in our 22 foot cobalt, and he was at the deepest point of the lake, which is 390.
Uh, and it's right off the highway, a highway meaning two lane road that bumps up to the mountains. So the mountains are on one side of the highway and the lakes on the other. So I could throw a baseball from the road into the mountain or into the lake. So he's probably a mile and a half, two miles into the lake, and he's fishing, he's kind of trolling, and his rod falls over.
He goes over to grab it. He's 64 years old at the time. Maybe he falls out of the boat, now the boat kind of goes away from him, and he's in the middle of boat. With jeans on t-shirt, he's got the rod on his hand.
He chews up the rod, obviously, at some point he took his jeans off because it's extra weight. He's got to make it to that highway where the rocks are, and you got to climb up on the highway. So now the question for you, as a good Samaritan driving down the road, are you stopping for the 63 year old guy in your dad's white BBD? With? With blood running down his leg? Because he's climbed up the rocks and he's near death? Jesus, that's the question. Yeah, yeah, I, I don't know who stopped for somebody did stop for him.
I don't know if I would have stopped if I didn't know it's like.
The first episode of Breaking Bad. Yeah, um, I, I have one last, last question and you have to answer it, honestly. You and your prime. Okay, Chris and his prime, Kyle and his prime. Wrestling match who wins?
Oh, good question. Kyle is, Uh, you know, Chris, and I would. Chris is hard to kill. One of those guys you've tried, seriously, you just have to kill him. I mean, that's the way to stop him. Kyle is frightening. Um, when he puts hands on you, it's a different kind.
It's like, some people are, I'm heavy-handed, he's heavy-handed on a bigger. He's like, You know, you know.
Uh, the Schwarzenegger movies, you know, where he's a. he's kind of a a robot. uh, what was that? uh, terminator, he's, he's. I'm T1.
He's like, T4, you know, he's the bigger, you know, it's, listen, big truck. Terry's offensive line average 255. Think about that, yeah. biggest offensive line league average 320. I was at the Hall of Fame game and Kyle was playing the game. And I typically don't go down on the field when the boys are playing.
I just try to avoid that. I said to myself, You know what? I'm in the Hall of Fame. I'm gonna go down and watch my son warm up. So I'm watching him down there and I'm I'm in the end zone.
The offensive line is down the corner as they always are, and he starts from the 20 yard line. He's walking toward me, and as he's walking toward me, you don't grasp. It's like, NASCAR, I don't get NASCAR watching TV, right? Cars going around in a circle, you go to NASCAR and you get up on the fence and a car goes by 200 miles an hour.
You get it, then, Oh, I go, Oh, I get it. As he's walking towards me. What's running through my head is, how the frick would I deal with that? Yeah.
And you know, it's we all. All you could do is play in your era, and all you could do is be as good as you can be in your era. And you know, very proud of the fact that, you know, I was an all decade player in the 80s and Reggie White with the other defensive, then, you know, very proud of that. Um, you fast forward.
Now, the biggest offensive line is 320.
Across the board, different game. So it's anyone who says it's not, it's, it's Clint Eastwood and Grant Torino saying, Get off my lawn. Yeah, you know, it's, it's, trust me, I, I. I have no problem saying that. It's bigger, it's stronger, it's faster. Yeah, and you know, that's the way it is.
Yeah, so you.
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