Biden's Fiery State of the Union

It's 845 Pacific time. I don't know how people in the East Coast do this. I mean, we used to do it. I know. We were a lot younger.

We are fortunate to have White House Press Secretary Corinne. Jean-Pierre. She'll be joining us a little bit later. But first, Joe Biden, just give a humdinger of a State of the Union, Dan. He really enjoyed himself.

I think he likes doing this. He likes giving the State of the Union. That was my first impression. He was energetic. He was forceful.

He picked a lot of fights. Dan, if a Biden-skeptical friend who didn't watch the speech asked you about the speech, what would you say?

All of the concerns we hear about the president's age, his fitness, his job, all of that are offered by people who most likely have not seen him give a speech in three years. And so what you see of Joe Biden is what you hear about an 80-year-old man and the sort of self-fulfilling prophecy of people saying they're concerned about his age, so more people concerned about his age. Or you see, out of context, largely unflattering TikToks of the president. Watch the speech. I think you people, anyone who watched the speech, would feel very good about his ability to do the job.

He certainly wildly surpassed the expectations. A lot of people very concerned about his ability to do the job. He wildly surpassed the very low bar of expectations set by the right-wing media and Donald Trump and the Republicans. And I also think there's a lot in this speech for people who are concerned about costs, the border, just whether the president's going to fight for them. So this is one of those things you would do where you would take clips from this speech.

You would show that if they would watch the whole speech, God bless them, they must be a really good friend. But if not, there's a lot of really important moments. we're going to talk about some that we should show people. And I think that was the sort of thing that would begin to change people's impressions of the president.

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m. It was a little delayed. I was getting a little nervous there.

You know, Donald Trump's going to run again. This is the third time he's running for president. And so he looms over the entire night, particularly because he is basically the boss of the Republicans in Congress right now. But Joe Biden, over and over again, I thought it was going to be like oblique references. He just called out his predecessor.

He called out my predecessor many times in the speech. Let's listen.

For my predecessor, many in this chamber want to take for this prescription drug away by repealing Affordable Care Act.

I'm not going to let that happen. My predecessor told the NRA he's proud he did nothing on guns when he was president. After another shooting in Iowa recently, he said when asked what to do about it, he said, just get over it. There is quote, just get over it. I say, stop it.

Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. So what did you?

And you remember, in that speech, there was a lot about economic inequality. That was the Buffett rule, which was the rule that said that there was based on the idea that Warren Buffett used to say that his secretary paid a higher tax rate than he did. And so I expected it to be all about Trump. I didn't expect that they would directly mention him, but they did. That's great.

Like, let's just. why? No reason to like dance around it. I hate when you don't, when you don't just say the thing and they said the thing. And I think it's great.

And because he did that, I think this is the most important part about this is it will get more attention. And one of the things that the president has really struggled with because of the sort of structural deficiencies that Democrats have in the media is grabbing the nation's attention. And one way to do that is to just is to break some eggs, right? Have some conflict. And this speech will get way more attention because he went directly after Trump.

And if he had kind of sort of given a very good speech, that just was an implicit, subtle, implicit. White House counsel approved contrast, just going after the president, these, I think was 13 times in the speech was was a smart move.

But what I thought about when listening to him go after Trump and really just the entire speech, the energy level, the feistiness like Joe Biden is, is not going to let Donald Trump return to power without a real fight. Like he, he feels this. He genuinely believes that Donald Trump is a threat to this country. And he has heard the worries and the criticisms and all that kind of stuff. And he was up there tonight and he, he was feisty.

He was like he was as energetic as I've seen him. And here's the thing, too. It was not perfect. Right. Like he, his stutter, which he has been struggling with his entire life, in which we saw him struggle with in 2020..

It was definitely like there were moments tonight where he swallowed his words, like he usually does. But and I think I made this point before, but like he, it was OK. It's OK if he mumbles through some stuff, as long as he is showing energy and fight and and and expressing himself in a way that makes you believe it. Right. And I think that there was a lot of times tonight where he probably more times than his staff would like that he went off script.

But even those moments when he went off script, it was something that he like, deeply believed. And so I think that, like the performance of the speech tonight, the delivery was something that he felt deeply. And I think that goes a long way with people. And so then, if you flub some lines here and there and you mumble through some words, people don't people, people don't penalize you for that, because they know that what you're saying is authentic to who you are and what you believe. And I think.

Voters have a much more human approach to the way people talk. That's always been true of Joe Biden. And it's just the way he delivered. the speech was strong. And he had so important.

Right. It was like it felt like a fight. It like it felt like the battle for the soul of the nation, if you will. But he really was that he was fighting. And that's important because of the age.

concerns are often sometimes become a proxy for strength concerns. And if he's out there fighting, and seeming energetic, it just goes a long way to make people feel much more comfortable that he can be the strong leader they want in a time, in times that feel chaotic.

Sure. Great. I'll take it. Great. Jacked up, Joe.

Absolutely. All right. So there's another thing that I had not seen in a State of the Union before. He started with Ukraine. at the beginning of the speech.

He had a message for Putin. Let's listen.

We will not bow down.

I will not bow down.

In a literal sense, history.

But then that clip that we just heard the message to, he said that he got applause from Democrats and Republicans. It was one of the few times during the speech that everyone stood up to applaud. So I'm betting that's why they did it first, probably because Joe Biden thinks it's very important that we support Ukraine. He genuinely believes that, you know, if Putin is allowed to take Ukraine, then he'll roll through NATO next. But it was interesting that they started with that.

Yeah. I mean,

What happens in the first 15 minutes of a debate is, if you start out a debate, super strong, no matter, almost nothing happens in the last five minutes of the debate hurts you, right? But if you start out weak and then you get better than the narrative, doesn't matter. So he started with several big, strong moments, lots of applause, seeming very strong. And it sort of set the stage for how people were going to think about the debate going forward. So that was smart.

It was good. Well, so it was, it was Ukraine.

Did the speech tell you anything new about Biden's reelection strategy? I don't know if it told me anything new, but it sort of clarified, I think, some of his top priorities. First, is definitely trying to reestablish some of his populist credentials to demonstrate that he is fighting for middle and working class people. That's something that he did very well on in 2020.. And he has fallen behind Trump in the polling on, and Trump has like a 10 point advantage on it in the CBS poll that came out this weekend.

And you saw that in the policies on shrinkflation and corporate price gouging and raising taxes on corporations that he said, I'm going to fight like hell for a more fair tax code. And so I think that that is one of the main things that he's doing there. And abortion is obviously a, another huge part of the agenda. And the third thing is that he is going to draw a contrast between the progress that he has made, which is strong progress, not triumphant progress, but strong progress against the chaos of the Republican house, which I think is serving as a proxy for Donald Trump in this, which is why he hit them on refusing to pass the border security bill, refusing to pass Ukraine aid and trying to really stroke a fight with them over a whole bunch of different things to sort of, um, show just how sort of chaotic and overly political they are.

Do you really think the wealthy and big corporations need another $2 trillion tax break? I sure don't.

He talks about. no billionaire should pay a lower tax rate than a teacher, a sanitation worker or nurse, much like the Buffett rule that you mentioned. one of these days, we're going to get a past. So I do think when he's, when he talks about the economic, his economic agenda, uh, when he's out on the campaign trail, I would imagine that his tax agenda is going to be something that he really focuses on. And we have seen in polling and a lot of message testing that when he has a lot of working class voters, um, and a lot of these, these gettable voters who are, who are persuadable, who haven't made up their minds yet.

Their biggest concerns about Trump are both, um, what do you might do on taxes? And then also, um, what do you might do on Medicare and social security? And, uh, I thought Biden had a great back and forth with Republicans, similar to the one he had last year and last day of the union about social security and Medicare. Let's listen.

Oh no. You guys don't want another $2 trillion tax cut. I kind of thought that's what your plan was.

Well, that's good to hear. You're not going to cut another $2 trillion through the super wealth. That's good to hear. They are going.

They also want to defund the IRS so that rich tax cheats can, uh, continue being rich tax cheats. That's, that's what they want to do. Look, I, I love the whole campaign to be fought about in normal times. This is what we would fight a campaign on. This is what, what we fought, uh, the 2012 campaign against Mitt Romney about, and they are good issues for Democrats.

It is. since then, it has been very hard. It was hard for Hillary Clinton in 2016.. It was hard for Biden 20 because of COVID to have an economic message breakthrough. But I do think that Democrats have an advantage on taxes against this Republican party that wants to give tax cuts to the wealthy and that wants to cut Medicare and social security.

And, uh, it was good to see Biden really zero in on that tonight, I thought. So he talked about the border, like we thought he was going to do. He did not announce any new executive actions on the border. He did whack the Republicans for having, you know, and Donald Trump for killing the bipartisan border deal, uh, that came together in the Senate. And then it was an interesting moment where Marjorie Taylor green, who she's like, wearing her MAGA hat.

Uh, she's got like a t-shirt on and she gave Biden a button when he walked into the state of the union. And it was a button about, um, Lake and Riley, who's the, uh, young woman from Georgia who was murdered by an undocumented immigrant from Venezuela. And it has been this gigantic story. You probably have not heard about it, but it has been a gigantic story on the right. It's been all over Fox, all over conservative media.

She gave him this button. And as he's going back and forth with Republicans about the border, he picks up the button and he says, you know what? He's like, I I'm, it's horrible that this, uh, young woman died. And he like, says something to her parents where I don't think we're there. Maybe they were there, but he mentioned something about her parents.

What did you think about that sort of ad lib where he went off off script?

That one was less good, but in the whole of the speech, I don't think it's, I don't think it's a huge, huge moment, but the, I think we are now hitting a transition period where every state of the union is going to be like this now, where it's sort of started. We've been getting there. There was such backlash when, uh, Congressman Joe Wilson yelled, you lie to Obama. And then it was, everyone's on their best behavior for like a decade. And then last year they got into a thing with Biden, even though Biden won that exchange.

Now, I think every one of these members is going to try to get some attention from doing it. So this is the future. If Biden's is reelected, he has four more of these Democrats probably do the same thing to Trump. Um, so I think this is par for the.

And instead of being like, fuck off, I'm not going to talk about this issue. The fact that he's like, yeah, no, that my position is. it's, of course, horrific that this young woman was murdered. But what I want to do is secure the border and also give a pathway to citizenship for the millions of immigrants living here who make this country stronger and not set up mass deportation camps, like Donald Trump wants to do. And he also, you can tell he, he enjoyed the, you're right that the back and forth is going to be the norm from state from now on.

Um, but he really enjoys it. He's like, like you could see, the guy would be a very comfortable in the British parliament, right? Like he liked the back and forth. He wanted to talk to them. He's like, you know, he's like talk.

He mentioned Bob Casey and his, his bill about shrink flation at one point. And he's like, pass Bobby's bill. Bobby is in the prepared remarks. Bobby.

Like that's what he wants.

then, uh, then supportive, insufficiently supportive of trying to help the people in Gaza. And I think that that, that is just like when you say being of a different generation, that is, of a different generation. That is a different political world. It's, it felt, not a too, it is, certainly if the policy was designed to, I think, actually do what the United States can to deal with it, obviously, this crisis, but the announcement of the policy and the preview was designed to speak to the people in his, his 2020, voters in our base who are very unhappy with what's happening there, the uncommitted voters in Michigan and Minnesota and elsewhere. The rhetoric around that policy made, I think certainly made them worse.

But before we get to the, but, he, the only ad lib in that section, was saying like, and no one has been a stronger supporter of Israel. and I challenge anyone, you know, like, and I imagine that over the last several months, since October 7th, there have probably been several instances where, whether it's secretary of state Blinken, whether it's Jake Sullivan, whether it's other people like, who are probably trying to get him to be a little more forceful, but he isn't, he is, we've talked about this before and Tommy and Ben have like, he is a president from an era where Israel security was so threatened all the time that I do not think on that. I mean, he talks about whether your ideas are old or not. I think on this issue, he is still, he is a man of the past and he is, you know, it's, I didn't like it. I didn't love it.

Okay. So, um, end of the speech, he used the end of the speech to take on the age issue directly, uh, which I thought was.

I know it may not look like it, but I've been around a while.

When you get to be my age, certain things become clearer than ever. I know the American story. Again and again, I've seen the contest between competing forces and the battle for the soul of our nation, between those who want to pull America back to the past and those who want to move America into the future.

Issue facing our nation isn't how old we are. It's how old our ideas, hate, anger, revenge, retribution, or the oldest of ideas. But you can't lead America with ancient ideas. only take us back. You lead America, the land of possibilities.

You need a vision for the future and what can and should be done.

It was caught on, on a hot mic when he was talking to a Congressman, Jerry Nadler, after the speech. Let's listen.

I love that. That's just great. That's just real. That's real. What did you think of the end there?

I think he was very dismissive of people's concerns for a while. I think, I think he was annoyed by them and frustrated by them. And he's, I mean, as he mentioned tonight, he was elected to the Senate when he was 29,. they wouldn't let him get in the Senator's elevator because they thought he was like an intern. And so he's always been the youngest person.

And now, all of a sudden, he's the oldest person. That's kind of how I feel on this podcast. But see, and you make a joke about it. You make a joke about it. You feel better.

Yeah. Yeah, man. It's fine. Yeah. But now he's sort of going on offense a little bit with it.

And it's just like, ultimately, what the words are not going to solve the concerns. It's just going to be how he performs over the next eight months here. But to the extent when you talk about it, if you can just pivot into offense and then, because what he is when you do this, not in the speech per se, but like in the Seth Meyers interview, it's the age of his ideas. Look at all these things he wants to do. He wants to take us back to when women didn't have reproductive freedoms, when gay people couldn't get married, and just go right at sort of the, the revanchist MAGA agenda.

And it makes a very easy pivot point. And you go from defense to offense very quickly, as opposed to just being incredibly defensive about it, which he was in that, in that Robert Herr report press conference a few weeks ago.

And he was saying, it is clear that the Trump people want that choice, because right now they are benefiting from short memories and people forgetting how bad Donald Trump was. And so they are judging it by the last four years, which, you know, we're pretty happy with, but a bunch of people in the country apparently are not happy with. And the other choice is to make it about the future and about what Donald Trump is going to do and what Joe Biden is going to do in the next four years and where Donald Trump's going to take the country and where Joe Biden is, and Donald Trump's policies and old ideas and Joe Biden's policies and ideas that will take us into the future. And I do think that you're, you're definitely going to need to do some looking backward to remind people how bad Trump's term was, particularly 2020, not a great year. At least Stefanik, the other is, are you better off than you were four years ago?

Uh, four years ago, right now, everyone was about to be locked in their homes, like thousands of people dying a day in April. Uh, and then the year ended with a fucking insurrection. So not a great year. Uh, so there's going to be, it's going to have to be, the campaign's going to definitely do some work, reminding people of how bad Trump's term was, and also remind people what Joe Biden has achieved over these last four years. But I do think the bulk of the campaign is going to have to be what Biden wants to do versus what Trump will do.

And you know, he, he basically set that up at the end of the speech and I think he did that throughout the speech. You know, there's still a little heavier on the accomplishments than I would like, but I like that, at least at the end and at the beginning, and with a lot of the policy he laid out, he is setting up a campaign where he can talk about, you know, maybe I'm pretty old, but I'm the one who wants to take us into the future with the policies that I have already enacted and the ones that I'll be fighting for. If you give me another four years and Donald Trump will take us backward and it'll be chaos and disaster. And it's all there in the plans that he, he wants to enact if he's president again.

Polls show that upwards of 80% of voters love it. Also, polls show that less than 50% of voters know about it. So talking about those things is important. But what I thought the tone was right for people's mood right now, like people are a little more optimistic about the economy. They're not yet giving the president credit for it, but it was not so triumphant.

It's, he really got to where I think he needs to be, which is we inherited a shit show. We've made some real hard progress. We did it even though even in bipartisan ways, and we're making that progress and we're going to get there, but we're not going to get there. If Donald Trump and these fucking extreme Yahoo's get in power and they take us all the way back. Right.

And I think that was sort of the tenor, the subtext and the tenor of the speech. And I thought that was good. there. He did not do, we passed all these amazing things and everything is perfect. The greatest economy of all time.

Right. There was like, obviously a little triumphalist, and there should be, but I don't think he overshot the.

All right. Katie Britt, a Republican Senator from Alabama. Uh, she gave the response and I've, I've never heard one like this before. Uh, let's, let's listen to a clip. Mr.

President, enough is enough. Innocent Americans are dying and you.

It was the only, I don't, I can't even tell you what she said, because I could not, I couldn't focus on anything but the, like the quiver in her voice and the fact that it was so obviously inauthentic.

Comparing it to Ronald Reagan's Berlin wall in city on a hill speeches.

She hadn't given the speech yet. This is like, you're compensating for something there, people. You've seen the dress, rehearsals. And, and.

blue check. MAGA people. It was bad reviews, bad reviews from Katie Britt. And then, of course, Trump, Trump was doing a, um, uh, in real time, truthing of the whole speech, where he, just, he, really zeroed in on Joe Biden coughing a lot. Uh, he's like, don't, don't shake his hand.

He's coughing, which is interest as, uh, as, uh, someone on our team said, it's, uh, this is the guy that, um, exposed.

Anyway, enough with Katie Britt, enough with Donald Trump. It was a great night for Joe Biden. I'm interested. Did you, have you seen any of the dial tests?

But just to, just to set the baseline, usually these things don't actually move presidential approval. It is unlike, it is unlikely to change, but it sets the stage for change later on. Yes. And it is a blueprint for a message, uh, that he can deliver throughout the campaign. And also, uh, it was good to see him have, have a lot of fight tonight.

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headline for the speech? What are you hoping to see a Friday morning?

And he was incredible in the sense of taking it on. He would just took it on when, when house Republicans were trying to give him a little bit of a hard time. He's like, Oh yeah, you want a little bit of this? I'll show you, Joe, from Scranton, you know? And, uh, and so, but, but, you know, you saw a leader, uh, drawing a stark contrast between the vision of this country and that of those who are trying to block our progress.

Right. And he started from that, from the beginning. Right. You, you know, you can't, uh, I mean, there's some great, there is some great lines, uh, that he had in the speech. Let me see if I can, uh, I wrote some of them down.

Let, really, really good, which is, um, uh, the state of our union is getting stronger and stronger. You don't love your country. This is the first, I think the first thing that he said, which was so powerful, you don't love your country only when you win, only when you win. And so it was, um, it was exactly what he needed to do. He met the moment of where we are as a country.

He met the moment of where we need to be going. And I think, one of the, one of the, the way he ended. it is so Joe Biden, in an optimistic way, talking about the future, the possibilities of Americans, not betting against Americans. And that is something that is so quintessential, Joe Biden, that optimism of who he is. He is, he is in his DNA.

He's optimistic. And also, let's not forget, there's a commander in chief component component of it as well, uh, discussing what America's role around the world and the threats that we face, and where we stood. You know, the first thing he talked about was Ukraine, and called out house Republicans for really not moving on that, uh, not moving on that national supplemental deal that passed 70 to 29 in the Senate. And if it was put in the floor by the speaker who was standing, obviously to, uh, to his left, it would get overwhelming support. And this is about not politics, but are about our national security.

And we have to help the brave people of Ukraine as they are defending themselves, defending themselves against a tyrant, as they're fighting for their democracy. I mean, it was a jam packed speech, but it was impactful. And let's not forget about one of the number one issues that we hear about over and over again, especially over the last couple of years, which is reproductive rights, fighting for women's healthcare. He, I think he, gave one of the strong, most strongest remarks on that. And the reason to make sure we protect a reproductive rights, he did that in the, in a really forceful way.

And also our democracy, our democracy, we got to fight for our democracy. So that is, uh, that is what I saw last night. I think that's what other people saw. I got so many texts from people saying, wow, what a powerful speech. He was great.

This is exactly what we needed him to do. And, and I will say one more thing. The fact that he talked about his age at the end and took that head on and didn't back away from it and said, look, there were a time where people thought I was too young. There were times where people thought I was too old. And I think all of these things are important, because he answered and lean into things that we keep hearing about.

Right. Um, and I think that was incredibly important as well. I think he did a great job. I think.

I know you guys take the hashtag very seriously, yet. Somehow there were, by my count, 13 references to an unnamed person. How is the white house council tied up in a basement somewhere? How did you guys get that done?

I mean, he talked about the border deal. Let's not forget that border deal that we got from the Senate, which is a bipartisan deal, Republicans and Democrats. We worked with them for two months and this is not a normal, we don't normally get bipartisan deals, especially bipartisan deals that is supported by the border patrol union or the U S chamber of commerce. Like. that's not something that happens here in this political discourse.

That was, we were able to land that. And what happened? The former president stepped in and said, do not move this forward, because Joe Biden will win and it will be a political game for him. And I don't want that. And they rejected the deal.

They rejected the deal. And so the president had always said he was going to be very honest about that. Take it directly to the American people. I mean, the reproductive, right. You think about.

you've been to our Roe v. Wade, the Dobbs decision. that happened under the former president, when he, as you all know, you've covered this very, very well, what he did to the Supreme court, it leans very much conservative. And because of that, and he was really clear as why he was doing that, because they wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade.

And that's what happened. So it is everything that we're seeing right now, everything that we're seeing right now with this country, with Republicans, it's tied in to the former president, but you're right. You, I know you're right, Dan, you've been a communications director. You were a senior advisor here for, uh, for the former, former president, president Obama. John, as a speech writer, I, you know how much of a massive undertaking it takes to write these types of speeches.

You're right. It has to go to a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun, but I think he was able to make his point about where we are politically and where the Republicans, how extreme they are. And it is being led by the former president. And it's just the.

He believes there's still a chance to get this done. He believe it's the best way to move forward with a broken system, a broken immigration system. He believes it's the best way to actually deal with the challenges that we're seeing at the border. It is tough, but it is a fair piece of legislation. And it's not very often that you come to this to come to this space in a bipartisan way.

So he wants to continue fighting for it. Let's not forget that was the bipartisan infrastructure legislation. People said we wouldn't get that done. It was a joke. in the last administration.

It was, you know, a punchline infrastructure week. And the president was able to get that done. The Chips and Science Act, the PACT Act, right? That helps veterans, uh, veterans in their, in their families. Nobody thought we would be able to get that done.

And we were able to get that done. Obviously. Congress, the makeup of Congress was obviously different, but the president, again, optimistic guy. He wants to get that done. As it relates to any executive action, we don't believe any executive action would have, would be as strong as the one, as the deal that we have currently.

So he wants to continue to work towards that. But of course, we're always going to look at all the opportunities, options that we have in front of us, but we want to try, right? We want to try and get to see if we can move this at all, move this at all.

So two things that.

So, healthcare costs are really important. Drug costs are really important. And it's actually very popular, uh, very important for the American people. So we talked about that. He put, he brought together his competition council, right?

To talk about more junk fees, ways that we can get rid of junk fees. And so that is something that Americans really truly care about. And so these are things that are, that we think that are important, lowering all of this really goes under lowering costs. And so that is critical. And that is, that is, I think you're going to continue to hear the president talk about that.

We're going to be on the road for most of the March. tomorrow. We're going to be in Philly. on Saturday. He's going to be in Atlanta, Georgia.

We're going to be announcing a lot more trips and you'll see that theme, right? The economy, making sure that we're growing the economy from the bottom up middle out. That is something that the president wants to continue to do, not leave anybody behind. And those important pieces of, uh, of, um, laws, that, uh, legislation that he signed into, laws, like the, like I mentioned, chips and science act and inflate the inflation reduction act. We got it.

And bipartisan infrastructure legislation. We have to implement those and protect those, because Republicans want to repeal, for example, the inflation reduction act. So those are the things that he's been talking about this week that we're going to continue to move forward on. And so that's going to be kind of what you're going to be hearing from him throughout this month. and also making sure we're protecting, we're fighting for reproductive health, women's health care.

And so that's kind of what you're going to.

Bye Dan. Bye, John.

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