"Arnold Schwarzenegger"

I'm waiting for these three guys, I mean Jason, Sean and Will, but I mean, I don't know what happened with them. Maybe their equipment doesn't work, or maybe everything doesn't work. Who knows what's going on here? But welcome to Smartless.

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Smart. Smart. Jason, what did you do last night? I know what you did. You went to the Lakers game.

Yes, had a great, great time. Really fun. I hosted three 11 year olds, one of which was my daughter.

Was it fun?

It was really fun.

Did they win?

They did win. They tried to lose, but they fixed it there at the end.

That's fun. That's fun. Yeah, I like going to the Lakers game. It's fun.

And then today I was going to do some cooking, but then I heard that, I think, Sean, maybe you might've mentioned to Amanda that no one's interested in eating, or was it you, Will?

No, it was Sean.

No one's interested in eating. Sean, what I was planning on cooking apparently got kind of a want-want.

Amanda said what you were planning on cooking, and Sean said, nobody wants that.

Yeah, I said nobody wants that.

Well, who wouldn't want a gooey peanut butter, chocolate chip bar?

Yeah.

Oh, sorry. Gooey pumpkin, chocolate chip bar.

Well, no. The only, okay.

And then the other thing was.

No, because nobody wants pumpkin in anything.

Cranberry lemon bar.

No. That's right. Nobody wants pumpkin in anything, and nobody wants cranberry in anything.

And apparently the gal said, all of them said that also. you can't have lemon in a dessert. That was according to our hostess.

Boy, so I guess a real bullet dodged.

I guess so.

Yeah.

Yeah. You know what all these freaks on the New York Times top 10 desserts list are thinking.

You know. what was interesting, though, was that Amanda said that every year you do this and that you like to cook a few things here and there. Yeah. And I knew nothing about this.

I did not either.

I didn't either. I had forgotten, but I guess she says that this is what I do every year, but.

And is it because I bake some stuff, because I want a piece.

You inspired me.

I want a piece. Oh, that's good.

You inspired me. I was so. You've done cheesecake. You've done brownies. You've done.

I'm going to do eclairs next week.

That thing you did last night was good. That thing you did.

Oh, last night? I did not like that. I made this new thing last night. I didn't love it. It was too much.

After a full dinner, he went home and ate a full box and hasn't eaten all day because he's been.

I almost took a picture of it and sent it to you.

You need a gummy wipe out.

Yeah, I didn't have a gummy wipe out. Still recovering.

Listen, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you. who did not eat an entire box of mac and cheese last night was our guest. Because this is somebody who has famously taken care of himself his entire life. This is a person who has made a mark in every single thing he's decided to go into in his life.

Or Chicago, like you're from Chicago.

This person is such a part of our sort of cultural fabric. At risk of embarrassing him when I say that, but it is true. Over the last 40, 50 years, he has been in absolutely seemingly every walk of life. He has done everything from being an author to being one of the biggest film stars ever to being a politician. He is not, he refuses to be categorized as a self-made man, because I think that he claims that he's had a lot of help along the way, but it sure seems like he did a lot.

Got it.

Guys, it's Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Hello there. Hello there.

Hello, Mr. Arnold.

Hello, everybody.

What a guest. What a guest.

Wow. I couldn't, because Jason guessed it, I couldn't even say you're a number one New York Times selling a number one author, you know, I mean, just the list is just keeps going, but Jason guessed it. So, Mr. Schwarzenegger, nice to meet you.

Well, thank you very much for the nice introduction and, uh, I really appreciate that, the buildup. Uh, but I mean, it's so entertaining to listen to you guys talk. I mean, I've very rarely had conversations like that. I mean, there was this cheese, mac and cheese, what was it?

Mac and cheese, and it's four o'clock and I'm late. It's, it's, it's not one of our best, but you know what? You've really brought it up.

Yeah. But I mean, it's like, it's wild. I mean, it's like, but the funny thing is I don't know you, Jason, and I don't know Will, even though I admire your work on television and in the movies that I've seen, and you've entertained me thoroughly. But Sean, I know personally, I mean, Sean is someone that I've met in the, I think it was back in the nineties, if I'm not mistaken. And, uh, you know, he was out here and some of it even helped me, uh, with Maria together, decorate the house.

Yeah.

So it was a generally positive meeting.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Very, very, very positive. He's, he's a really, he's a really positive guy.

Well, so I love it.

But I mean, when I hear this, this food kind of story, what a drama, you've got to help.

Oh, my God.

I ate at 10 o'clock mac and cheese and that didn't feel good. And I only threw up.

That's right. Guess why?

And this is like terrible. The world is coming to an end. I said to myself, Oh, what a sad story that is. I feel so sorry for him now.

Thank you.

I mean, I don't even know how to recuperate.

Oh, no. What do you hear? What do you, what do you ate the rest of the 24 hours?

I wanted to start this whole interview here in a positive way, in an upset way, and then I get this beating there about how terrible. Things went from last night on 10 o'clock. I mean, Sean, what has gone on? I mean, you have to come. I don't know where do you live now, but I mean, you were out here in Los Angeles.

I'm in the same house. you saw, you saw, you came to visit me in.

Okay, good. So then it's about time we get back together again and get, so I can go and make you one of the steaks over here, so you don't get sick and tired of the food. at 10 o'clock at night. You have to come over for steak dinner or for chicken dinner or for something maybe vegan.

Well, that's our time, Arnold. Thank you so much.

Let me just say this, having Sean, it's, it's bad enough hearing what you went through last night, but having Arnold Schwarzenegger recite it back to you is one of the best things that I've ever heard in my life. Cause it does really put it in a different light. Like, right. It makes it sound so crazy. And how disappointed he is in your reactions.

It's just like any dad, Arnold, how long do you think Sean?

I just thought it was funny, because then you guys all went off and talked about what you ate and the things that you're doing at home when you're cooking and stuff. So I said, well, maybe I've plugged in here to a cooking show or something like that. You know, maybe you guys having a cook-off.

It's been called worse. Well, how long do you think, Sean, Arnold, how long do you think Sean can get away with eating like this? Because isn't it true? As you get older, doesn't it?

Your metabolism.

Yeah. The metabolism slows down such that if you keep eating the same thing you ate last year, you will gain, I think, I think it's three pounds a year. If you just eat the same thing every year, like your metabolic rate goes down such that you've got to, you've got to eliminate three, three pounds a year from what you eat. Is that right?

Yeah. It sounds good mathematically what you just said, but I think it's very hard to do, because I can tell you for myself, I have to go on bike rides every day. I work out every day, because it's very hard to kind of stop eating and to just go on severe diets like some people do. I've never done that. So of course you develop a little bit of stomach because of that.

everything. It makes it sound good. You gain a little bit of stomach. That's all right. You gain a little bit of stomach.

Yeah, it doesn't sound as nasty. No. Arnold, if I could ask you, because I wonder, there's so much stuff I want to talk about before we get to this, but now that we're on the subject, because, like I said, you're a famously known, you know, a, seven time Mr. Olympia, four time Mr. Universe, you've done it all, known for, for your physique for many years and award winning physique.

I go on a bike ride, I ride the bike around 45 minutes to an hour a day and I work out with weights at Gold's gym, I would say around 45 minutes a day, but very light, nothing heavy, because I had heart surgery in 1997 and then the doctors were telling me that they should stop the heavy, heavy lifting, because it's not good for your valves. They get the kind of, you know, they wipe out sooner and, and so therefore, you know, I just started lifting less weights, more reps and stuff like that, but I work out regularly, but this, you know, as you get older, it's kind of like, how the hell do you hold on to some of this stuff that you once had? And it's really, it's, it's, it's tough because it's a...

Wait, so if you, if you, if you do, like free weights and lift weights like that, it's bad for your, the valves of your heart, or for your heart?

If, if, no, not for normally for heart, but I mean, it is when you have had valve surgery, robotic valve and pulmonary valve, you don't want to put that much pressure on it. You know, when you really bench, press heavy or do heavy deadlifts or squats and all this stuff, you put a lot of pressure on that valve and it's unnecessary. So the idea is, is let's use less weight and therefore, you know, you don't have to switch the valve. I mean, after 23 years later, I still had to exchange it anyway and had another surgery and all that stuff. But the bottom line is you don't want to abuse it.

Also, his midsection will remind you of a tire too.

No, I mean, there's no reason to approach it that way. I just always, when someone sits on the machine or when someone works out on the machine, I just ask, do you mind if I work in with you?

Can you imagine being at Gold's?

While they're resting, you do your rep.

Well, yeah, because everyone walks around, so what that basically means is, if you do your set, don't just sit there while you're resting, and then you can cut in again after that. because I go from machine to machine to machine, and so it's easy for me to just ask people if I can cut in, and they're more than happy to do that, so there's no problem with that. So it's just a matter of attitude without saying to someone, hey, get off the bench.

I am going to make a, sorry, Sean, just to follow up on that, I'll make a safe guess that you're doing well enough to have your own set of weights at the house. there. You just like to go down to Gold's to bond with the fellas?

I have a fully equipped gym at home and during, you know, COVID, I trained all the time just at home, but I am a company queen, and so that means that I love company, whatever I do. I don't like to go out for lunch by myself, I like to eat with somebody, I don't like to go to football games or the soccer game by myself, I like to go with somebody or with a bunch of guys or people, and the same is also with working out. I get a lot of energy when I go to a gym and I see everyone else working out and sweating and training hard, it makes me inspired and then I want to work out too. So it's just-.

Makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, because, like, I was going to ask you, like, even at this age, nobody loves to go to the gym. Now, there's not a lot of people that love to work out or exercise, but what is it that, because it's not, it's hard work. Like, if I can skip it, I'll skip it, but, like, you know, what's the draw? to keep doing it now and always?

So that you don't pop, Sean.

I know, but I'm like, but to work at that, at the intensity level that you're still working out at. is, it's a decision.

It's not that intense, it's not that intense, I mean, but first of all, I love working out.

Yeah, I know. I don't know why.

Because it just makes me feel good.

I understand.

When I work out, it makes me feel good. I always say to people, I say, when I get up in the morning and I bicycle down to the gym, I feel like I'm bicycling through a black and white movie. And then, all of a sudden, when I'm finished working out and bicycling back, I feel like it's a color movie. All right. It's every day.

It's like the rainbow, you see after you finish macaroni and cheese.

Sean will only get on a bicycle to go to get a black and white shake.

That's the only way. Or a black and white cookie.

That's the only way he's doing it.

That's so true.

I just love it. I love the feeling that I get from that. It's addictive. So I'm addicted to working out, I have to say. So.

Yeah, you love it. I get it.

I want to look half decent, you know, at my age, even though it's pitiful.

You look beautiful, Arnold.

No, but I mean, it's pitiful.

I think the beard looks gorgeous, too. Thank you so much. The beard is gorgeous.

Yeah, it is. It looks really good.

Thank you. But, Jason, let me tell you something. First of all, I just want to let you know that you, with your show Ozark, I mean, you, have blown me away. You know, there's three of my favorite shows was Ozark and Narcos and Yellowstone that I watched. Thank you.

You're very, very, very nice.

I just wanted you to know that, how much you entertained me and how much pleasure you've brought to me watching this series.

It makes me shy. Thank you, though.

Oh, Jason, entertain him right now.

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Oh, Marty. That's Marty.

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So, Arnold, I mentioned in the intro all the things you've done and everything that you've done. Every sort of thing that you've decided to get into, you've been successful. And you started with bodybuilding. That's what initially, I gather, took you from Austria to brought you here to America. And then you got into films.

So cool.

It is amazing. And I ask people this sometimes, when we've had musicians on and artists on. Just from every sort of, whatever, whatever you do. And I always say, do you have those moments where you sit back now and you go, wow. You look back where you came from.

I do sometimes. But very, very rare. First of all, because I never really feel that I am that great by any means. I always felt like I could do better. Even when I was in my bodybuilding heyday, I would win the Mr.

How did you do it?

Well, it's the principles. And this is, I think, why, on the end, I wrote this book, Be Useful. It's because the principles and the tools that I used in bodybuilding, I used the very same tools in show business. And I used the very same tools when I ran for governor and then to become governor and then to be governor. So it was the same thing.

We can't profit off it.

I mean, it's like, you know, what the hell? You're going to miss out on two movies a year. that's $40 million. Why would you do that? And I said to myself, and I said to them, I said, hey, I made all the money because of America.

Yeah, I watched your documentary. I thought it was incredibly inspiring. And I loved how it was in three parts. It was from Austria to bodybuilding, then to being an actor, then to being the governor. And one of the things you said at the beginning of the documentary, which has stayed with me, was you said the whole thing started out with, I don't know why, but I was given this thing that was put in my head where, if I have a vision, I can't stop until I see it through.

Well, thank you very much. It is so true that if you have a vision, it's so much easier to get kind of like into it and to kind of chase it, rather than, let's say, going to the gym and not knowing why you're at the gym other than the doctor told you you should work out a little bit, because it's good for your health. But, you know, to me, I always had fun going to the gym, lifting the weights, doing. the next day. I was looking forward to an extra thousand sit ups and stuff like that, because I knew that each one of those reps is going to get me one step closer in winning that title.

And then, once your mind was set on it, you're like, I'm getting that.

It was like a machine. I was just following it and just trying to figure out, okay, how do I train now? And I copied this guy's training methods and other people's training methods.

So how did you start actually bodybuilding in the small town that you grew up? If nobody else was doing it, how did you even think of it as a possibility? Were you just extra strong as a kid, and it just came to you, naturally?

No, I met a guy that was actually Mr. Austria. He was a bodybuilder. There was a lake where I grew up and he came down to that lake. So that's where I met him.

Sean, you met a well-equipped gym a couple years ago.

Yeah, we didn't get along.

It was named James, but he went by Jim.

Jimmy sometimes.

He was well-equipped. Hey, let me ask you, Arnold. Arnold, did you – I want to – sorry. I was thinking about all the films that you've done. I was thinking about all the iconic roles.

It's really wild, because I go sometimes to an event and people will be screaming out, get to the chopper, which is a line from Predator. Or put the cookie down.

It's funny hearing you, do you.

Wait, put the cookie down? What was put the cookie? –.

Put the cookie down. It was from Jingle all the way. So people repeat those lines. And the funny thing is, when you read it in the script, it doesn't read like anything like a special line. But just because, the way I say it, get to the chopper.

But your accent is just so beautiful. It's just so iconic, and I'm so glad that it has stayed, that it hasn't been beaten out of you by living in Southern California too long. It's just – I could listen to you all day. Well, thank you. You ran – you've run so many things at such a high level, sets,

No, no. Look, I was very fortunate to be involved in all those different careers. And I learned so much in bodybuilding and how to be competitive and all that. I learned so much in show business. It just has been a most extraordinary ride to work on all those movies and to work with such great directors.

So anybody listening should try to be a governor right now.

I mean, I tell you, it's quite a challenge. But it was the most pleasurable thing to serve 40 million people and to be in charge of the fifth largest economy in the world. I mean, it really was extraordinary. And it wasn't easy. It was very, very tough.

I'm curious about, Arnold, you keep talking about coming here to America. I did too. I came a lot. I drove 90 minutes to Buffalo from Toronto. But I was wondering about when you first got here, when you first came to California, where did Arnold, like?

So I was Mr. Universe. I just won the Mr. Universe competition in England for the second time at the age of 21.. And this guy by the name of Joe Weider, who was then kind of the czar of bodybuilding.

What was your English like? What was your English like at that time?

Oh, it sucked. It totally sucked. I mean, it was like in a school English. I was a few times in England for posing exhibitions and strongman acts and stuff like that. So I was able to practice a little bit of English.

That's great.

We'll be right back.

Well, with such meager, meager beginnings, I mean, the leap from there to thinking that you could actually be the governor of the state. Do you remember the first time you thought, well, maybe that's something I could do? Was it during Reagan's administration? you thought, well, hang on, here's an actor who became a governor, and I'm an actor. So why can't I get?

No, not really, because I knew at that time there were stories written that people from the outside come in. You know, there were stories about Eisenhower, who was a general, who was not a politician at all and became president of the United States. You know, there was people that were basketball players. John Glenn then eventually became a senator. He was an astronaut.

And just the mere fact that you were hanging out with somebody who was president, it sort of made it feel like, well, I know this guy's a human being. He's a man just like me. I'm sure it took care of some of the sort of debilitating mystique that some people like.

Made it sort of right-sized a little bit.

Yeah.

And also the compliment that he always gave me. He says, you know, Arnold, you have a good nose for this stuff, for politics. I can see that you're interested in it and all that stuff. But I was in the middle of my movie career then. And I was just, you know, just bridging over for the first time things that you guys are so good at, which is comedy.

And you were hilarious.

I can't just get stuck here doing action. And then everyone said, forget it. It's not going to happen. But then Ivan Reitman, who was the director of Ghostbusters, he said to me, I do it. I'm going to develop a project for you.

It was Twins.

He developed this project Twins. Yeah. And so we did that in 1988.. We had, with President Bush, a presidential premiere at the Kennedy Center in 1988, in December. And the movie went through the roof.

No, but it should be pointed out. I just want to sidebar, because you're being quite modest about it. You wanted to do a comedy to the point that the studio wasn't sure. Tell me if I've got this right or wrong. The studio wasn't sure that you were such a bankable action star, but they weren't sure that you would be a bankable.

You're absolutely right. Very well researched, I have to say. You know all the details. I love that. But, I mean, the bottom line was the studios basically not only didn't believe that I could open a movie in a comedy, but they also said to me, they said to me, Arnold, tell me now why I would go and invest in a comedy when we're making all this money now with your action movies.

They just don't give that anymore.

We renegotiated and then made it 37.5%, because Tom Pollack was a good friend of Ivan Reitman and he felt kind of he got a beating from the studio to make the deal. So we gave him a 2.5% cut and we made it 37.5%. But you're absolutely right. That made more money for me than anything, because worldwide the movie grossed over $250, $260 million. So it was kind of like.

By the way, and rentals too.

Yeah, it was everything. They sold the movie to the airlines. They sold it to the TV, to network, and to all the different – and I'm still getting receivables now.

That's amazing.

That's crazy. I was worried about you. But anyway, the bottom line is that I was still – now I was growing. I was doing Kindergarten Cop, after that, Junior, and True Lies with Jim Cameron. And so they were all kind of like comedies and action and all that stuff.

What do you think about this troublemaker, son-in-law of yours, this fellow Chris Pratt? Yeah, Pratt. We know him.

We know Pratt.

He's an outlaw. He's a troublemaker.

You're right. I mean, it is so much fun when he and my daughter comes over here to the house. And they come over like – last week they came over on Saturday at 7 in the morning to help me feed the animals. Sure. Which, of course, I have a miniature pony.

Do you feed them like mini donuts? Do they have mini food? Or you just give them smaller portions?

No, no. It's just smaller portions.

Because it's a smaller horse.

How do you give a smaller portion to a pig? You, son of a bitch, eats all the time. I mean, it's like wild. You let it out. It goes out in the grass and then it eats grass all day long.

Wait. The pig comes in the kitchen?

Yeah, the pig sleeps at night in the kitchen. Yeah, absolutely. It depends on the way you deal with animals. But my dogs come into the house. The donkey comes into the house.

This is why they're mini. Yeah, I get it.

They're mini. But even if it's a regular horse, I have it brought. I had a pison come into my kitchen here. A pison. You know, the big buffaloes?

So, earlier, I think it was a question Jason had. When I was going, you know, you climb this mountain of achieving this bodybuilding greatness. You'd climb this massive mountain of being a global, international movie star.

The biggest movie star we've ever had.

Yeah, ever.

Nobody had done it that big before, Arnold.

Right. And then you climb this third mountain of being the governor of California. Is there a fourth mountain? Is there another chapter? like, you know what?

He's trying to get you to musical theater. Just don't take the bait.

That's funny. Very funny. But, I mean, you know, the thing. we sometimes kind of have a vision that we go after, like I did with bodybuilding, and like I did with show business. But my vision was not to become governor.

Yeah, Be Useful, Seven Tools for Life, which is amazing. And I would just say, Arnold, on the side, Jason just texted me and he said, do they make dumbbells in a one-pound? Do they make them in a one-pound? And I was like, what? That's crazy.

I like to do a lot of reps.

It's so sad.

I don't believe that Jason was asking that question.

No, it's true.

Jason was probably asking the opposite question and saying, do they make dumbbells that are 150 pounds?

All I do is cardio.

I lift a lot. I go to the gym a lot. You can't tell the lighting's not great here, but I do go to the gym a lot, for, you know, you should just know. Okay, the last thing I want to ask you, Arnold, I mean, honestly, there's just such an endless well of stuff that you've done that I'd love to talk to you about.

Yeah, I mean, Jim, at the time when I met him, he only has done one movie and he pitched, you know, he talked to me about Terminator, the first Terminator, and I was actually going for the interview to play Reese, to play the heroic character, and through some kind of a – I showed a little bit too much enthusiasm about the character of Terminator and kept saying to him, whoever plays that character, because I think O.J. Simpson was cast, not yet a contract sign, but was cast already to play the Terminator. Wow. So he was trying to talk me into playing the Terminator, and I said, no, I want to play Reese. And he says, no, no, you understand the Terminator.

He's a brilliant, brilliant writer. He self-described it as almost an indie film because he wrote part of it in his car. It was wild.

Yeah, absolutely. But anyway, so then we did The Terminator 2 that became the highest-grossing movie of the year. And we did then True Lies, and that also made like $450 million worldwide. So it was really, I had a great, great streak of movies that we did together. And he was an excellent director, very demanding, I have to say, but very, very smart.

He shouldn't come to your house then.

Yeah, he'd get run over by a bicycle.

I actually got off meat at least 70%. I do eat steaks every so often, still, Wienerschnitzel and stuff like that. But I've reduced my meat intake considerably. It's much healthier because of it.

I could listen to you say, son of a bitch and Wienerschnitzel all day.

I know, I know.

And get to the choppa.

Arno, you're a very busy man. You have a lot of animals that you need to tend to.

Go feed them.

But thank you for taking the time and talking to us, and so much success and congratulations on everything, including your book, which is just amazing, Be Useful, Seven Tools for Life, that's out now. Just so happy for you. And again, just such an honor to have you here with us.

Yeah, thank you for doing this.

Thanks for doing it, pal.

Listen, guys, Jason, Sean, Will, I just want to tell you that it was such a pleasure to be interviewed by three brilliant actors like you. And so it was an honor for me to do this. And I had a great time. I really enjoyed every minute of it. So thank you very much.

Thank you very, very much.

Thank you, pal.

Good to see you.

Bye-bye, be good. Thank you.

See you, pal. Bye.

Wow, how cool was that?

Nice guest, Willie. Wow.

I know, right?

That's pretty cool.

Sean, you know, I actually kind of didn't bring this up, and I'm sure we have lots of fans who always, because I see sometimes in the comments, like, Will, you got to mention that you know the thing, and you're such a know-it-all. But I did meet him once at your house.

Oh, that's right. Years ago.

Remember, you had that poker tournament in your backyard?

Yeah, 1999 or 2000 or something like that.

Something like that. Something crazy.

Wow. It was crazy. Yeah, he came over, and he... Yeah.

No, 2004..

2004.. Oh, wow, I had it.

I think you could make a real argument that that's the biggest star we've ever had on this show. I mean... Name me, one person, more recognizable, more famous, the biggest sort of like... Sort of the quintessential star, you know?

That's known every country he goes to. Yeah.

From the time the three of us were teenagers into our late 20s. Yeah. And if anybody had said to us, like, who's the biggest movie star in the world, you'd say Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Yeah, for sure.

It's crazy. What a career that guy has had. I know. Unbelievable.

I know. Pretty remarkable. He's very inspiring.

From some lake in Austria, becomes, like, you know, the most world-famous bodybuilder ever. Then the governor, two times governor.

Two-time governor.

Yeah, of this state. As he said, the fifth largest economy, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just...

And a guy who really was right down the middle of his politics. Yeah. You know?

It's just incredible. And everything he did, and... Yeah, it's pretty remarkable to watch. And, like you said, Jason, very humble beginnings, like doing, like, strongman competitions against the next town. Yeah.

Biceps!

Biceps!

I knew that one was coming. Smart. Less.

Smart.

Less.

Smart.