The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 04/16/23 - Dan Horowitz, Charlie Hurt, Raymond Arroyo, Sonya LaBosco

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Sorry, I'm not distracted, I'm just looking at his piece right here because it's so good. I want to be sure we can squeeze this all in, so let's not waste any time. Dan Horowitz, You can follow him on Twitter by the way.

He is at RM, at RM Conservative, at RM Conservative. Check him out. His work is fantastic Dan. Thanks for spending some time with us. We appreciate it.

What can we do? So, you have this piece I'm going to discuss in my podcast tomorrow at length. But in the next 15 minutes we have with you, you have talk or action. Seven actions Trump supporters should promote to stop politically targeted prosecutions. Give us your say. Top three, number one. What's the number one thing we can do to say, Hey, listen, we live in a police state.

We've had enough of it. Red line in the sand right here.

Look, one thing's clear, Trump obviously has a lot of money, but what I've dealt with the last two and a half years. Whether it's business owners facing jail time for opening during Covid, whether it's J6 people who literally never laid a hand on anyone held pretrial, they cannot find attorneys, they're faced with an overwhelming, systematic targeting. The important thing is for the state to send a message that we will create a legal defense fund for those that we believe prima facie are being targeted for their political, religious or social beliefs. And look, it's pretty obvious when that's happening, when they hit you up on statutes and scenarios. That are never done in the opposite directions, never done for liberals, it's never done at all.

Then you have a pretty compelling case that we have no equal protection under the law and they need help. And I will tell you, it is shocking. You can get a child molester that he has no problem finding an attorney, you know, that's part of the legal profession. These people cannot stop you.

I mean, I've seen it. They're like, look at this guy, they defended the World Trade Center bomber, they were the guys really horrible. But this lawyer's got principles.

Yet you defend the Republican, forget it. I mean, just ask any of Trump's lawyers, what happens? It's, it's, it's horrifying.

And that's what we're seeing. All legal norms are thrown out the window. So I think that one is really key for the states to make a statement and say we will at least play defense, you know. So they're not alone, they get legal representation.

They have. And again, we know this is not just the legality, but also the political backing of a state government. Because, let's face it, this is all political, it doesn't go by the rule of law, it's the rule of political will. And then obviously, look, there was a lot of talk about extradition.

And under the Constitution, we have reciprocity that all things equal. We want to continue flowing. But what happens if you get caught up in a blue city, a blue state, and they're like that, we don't like you?

We don't like who you are and we are going to take the unprecedented step of targeting you. So my point is, if you're living in a red state, we need the attorney general of that state to examine your case. And if they determine again that you are being targeted, not because of that statute, but clearly because of who you are, you know, you are singing hymns outside an abortion clinic. Under certain circumstances, we need to say no extradition.

And look, Governor DeSantis did that. He just said, I will not cooperate, and as you all know, Dan, when you don't cooperate, you know. NYPD can't just insert themselves in another state, for example, and grab someone. They don't have jurisdiction, the state has to cooperate, the state of jurisdiction.

Now that doesn't help someone living there. But we do need to lay a marker down and say that if something is completely lawless, if you clearly did not do anything wrong, we will not extradite you.

It's kind of a version of what I've talked about often. It's my new rules theory that if the Democrats are going to establish what they deem a new set of operating rules. Kind of like an O..A. You'd have in a business, an operating agreement, then fine, we should use those rules. They're saying they're OK.

We should use those rules against as long as we're not violating the law. And you talk about prosecuting. In fact, Democrats now one of the reasons that wasn't done in the past, especially with figures like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. I'm not saying it's a good, I'm just saying it wasn't done as well. It's incendiary, it's going to look political, even though there's evidence of a crime.

But if you're now telling us that none of that matters, political calculations should never come into it, including the political priorities or discretion. That if you are a politician and there's probable cause of a crime, you need to be arrested, indicted. Then they should absolutely go after Joe Biden. Because the evidence in that case is overwhelming. That there's something wrong, especially when it comes to FARA and potentially tax violations. Your thoughts on that?

So they'll have this 231a3. They're hitting up everyone on obstructing a police officer during a public disturbance. Well, you know, typically that was only if you did something violent. Now they're hitting people up on it. If you were just having a conversation with a Capitol Hill police officer, didn't do anything. Boom. That's a felony that could land you a number of years in federal prison. So you look at what happened in Nashville last week.

You look at what has happened in a lot of GOP state capitals for many, many years, and they do get violent as anything. They occupy the Capitol illegally, they go through security and there are a lot of technical statutes you could hit them up on. And you know, it doesn't require holding someone on a minor thing two years pre-trial, like you did with J6. But at some point, you have to send the message that we're going to try to achieve an equilibrium and say, hey, get off my lawn if you want this to stop.

Dan Can I shift gears just a little bit? Here? George Soros we've been discussing him during the show today. The media had a meltdown wet their diapers, peed themselves this weekend, claiming that Soros funding the group Color of Change, which in turn funded Bragg. That somehow that there's no connection there, which is really, I mean, laughable.

If you do actual logic and chains and logic change, you believe in reason. It's imbecilic. But one of the things you know, Alan West used to say is, you know, when you're catching fire over a target. Here, you know, you know, you're in their enemy's territory, and they're a little worried. They seem to be really terrified.

And Soros seems to be running away from this Bragg connection. I speculate, I'd love to get your take on it. I'm speculating here to be fair, but I think it's due to the fact that this has politically backfired in a spectacular fashion.

Five million dollars in fundraising. Trump's moving up in the polls. Yeah, you know, I live in Florida, I see desantis every day.

I know Trump as well, so I get kind of a good political picture. I think the Soros team's got to be horrified at how badly this thing is blown up. Your thoughts on that?

You just don't get into that line of work, you'd be a defense attorney, so in about 70 different places. He has his acolytes that are part of this kind of deincarceration agenda, and I think what he doesn't want this to do is jeopardize that agenda. Because this prosecution really brings out this anarcho tyranny that we've been talking about the last couple of years, that at the same time, they will clamp down on novel crimes and novel crimes. Maybe take a potential misdemeanor and make it, you know, 20 years in prison. They're letting out repeat violent offenders.

I mean, this is the same guy that those that shove people on the subway tracks in New York City. The next day. He has them out and he's dropped prosecution on so many people. The same thing with the U...S. Attorney's Office in D...C, 57 percent of felonies are not followed up upon. At the same time, they're grabbing people who never even went into the Capitol. So this anarcho tyranny is really getting exposed with this. And they do not want to draw attention to it. Because there's a much bigger vision that is going to be jeopardized if Trump fights back.

I only got two minutes left, but I'd be remiss if I did not get your take on Covid and the vaccine. I've been reading some very troubling information about people showing up in emergency rooms for various things. Not necessarily related to Covid or the vaccine, but them finding elevated fibrinogen levels and other things. With clotting. Do you have any updates? I know you've been all over this story. Dan has a book out by the way, Rise of the Fourth Reich, about this.

But I got a minute and a half left.

So it will become binding. But they ensconced all of the EUA policies, meaning the authority that they just threw these things together within a few months bypassed the whole F.D.A. approval process. That is not included in this emergency. So my understanding is the EUAS still stand, they're still promoting them.

They're still approving new things, you know? Fourth boosters for babies under EUA.

But liberals, progressives and government socialists, they did this to their own kids, too. This is crazy. I got to run, Dan, I'm out of time. I want to get your book in here too.

Dan's got a book on this called Rise of the Fourth Reich with the Great Steve Dace. It's an amazing book about everything that happened with Covid, the cover up and his action items. Pick it up today, it's out there, ready to go wherever you get your books.

You won't be disappointed, Dan. I wish we had more time. Your piece is amazing. I'll be sure to cover it on my podcast tomorrow too. Thanks for joining us today.

I'm glad you guys keep me frosty. One thing to complain, other thing to propose solutions. Up next, we talk with Charlie Hurt. Charlie Hurt's a great commentator, you're going to love what he has to say.

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Here's Charlie Hurd. This is a great conversation I love having people on. I don't necessarily agree with on everything, even though we're both pretty solid conservatives. You're going to enjoy this conversation about political tactics.

It goes in a direction I didn't expect. Check it out.

All right, let me welcome to the show. A great guy, terrific commentator from the Washington Times. you've seen him on Fox.

Probably read him in the Washington Times. He's fantastic. Charlie Hurd, Charlie, thanks a lot for joining us today. really appreciate it.

I don't know why I didn't think to call you sooner. I'm talking to Jimmy yesterday, we're trying to find a guest for today and we're going through these names. Charlie Hurd, That's an obvious one.

How come I didn't think of that sooner? Charlie, This is obviously a circus. I know how you feel about this. It's a mess, it's a disaster.

But I want to ask you a couple more detailed questions because I really value your opinion. This gag order that may or may not come down, we haven't heard anything about it yet, but may be imposed upon Donald Trump. I mean, listen. The fact that this was a police state style arrest is embarrassing enough, but a gag order for a presidential candidate running an election who's literally running against the police state. I mean, that's real constitutional problems.

We're in now.

But and the point he was making is part of the problem is that if he's going out and having rallies, it undermines his effort to go and get an unbiased jury. Well, then the only alternative to me that just takes away all of the artifice shows that all of this is about nothing more than than preventing a man who has enormous popular support in this country from running for office. And if that's not, if that's not interfering in election, if that's not rigging an election, then then there is no such thing as rigging an election.

It's strange, too, because I sometimes I get into it with with lefties. On Twitter, it's, you know, I run my own account, so when I see something particularly stupid, it's very difficult for me to hold back. And one of them I watched didn't respond. This one was making the point that, you know, Trump wants to seek a relocation of venue, the Trump legal team from Manhattan to Staten Island.

Now you know New York pretty well. Staten Island is probably the by far not probably is the most conservative of the boroughs, which isn't saying a lot. But they've actually had Republican congressmen and women, they have Michael Grimm and everyone else in the same borough in New York. It is, it's, it's. I mean, even Queens where I grew up, which used to have Republicans, is now almost completely gone. But it's funny.

People said, No, no, no, he can't change venue. There'd be a bunch of Trump voters there, exactly like you're making our point, not yours. Like, the point is, you want a bunch of Democrat voters to take down your first presidential police state, arrest your first political prisoner.

You want him in front of voters, not jurors like they're making our point, not theirs.

Sometimes he goes too far, sometimes he says the wrong thing, whatever, but he's constantly fighting, he never stops fighting, and that's what people love about him.

And the problem with this particular thing? And there are people that want to say, well, you know, Republican prosecutors need to go out there and start charging Democrats.

I get the point, but, you know, I don't know that. That's a smart strategy. I don't have an answer for it, but I do know that. What these Democrats are doing right now to our country to the most.

Precious judicial system on the planet. What they're doing is perhaps irreversible damage. I don't know, I guess, you know, it depends if we want to, you know, if conservatives want to back off and say, you know, we're not going to abuse this the way these people have abused it. But they are, they are committing, they are destroying something, and they are committing damage to a system that you, I don't think you'll ever undo it.

Maybe you might be able to stop it from getting worse, but I don't think you'll ever undo the incalculable damage that these people are doing right now.

And as you were talking, I'm thinking through, like, am I right? or is he right? Because I really respect this guy, maybe he's onto something and I always do, but I think I think you're wrong on that.

And I'll tell you why, you know, when you read Arendt and the banality of evil, and you follow what happened. I'm not making historical comparison, let's not violate Godwin's law, I'm just talking about this, the sure banality, which she's correct about.

You know, you see the Stanford prison experiment. Evil is everywhere. You just pull it out of people isn't even difficult. I don't really believe we're dealing with a political fight here, it manifests itself politically.

And we should not, ever, ever do what they do and violate our morals and ethics. But this isn't a political fight, it's manifesting itself that way. But we're dealing right now with genuinely evil people, and the only way to defeat them is literal political defeat.

And I think the only way to do that is to say, hey, you want these new rules and precedents? Fine, we're going to use them too. And if it benefits us politically, fine, it doesn't mean we should violate morals and ethics.

We should not invent crimes like they did for Trump. But when you look at the Clinton Foundation, suspected money trafficking, FARA violations, Logan Act violations. Things that you and I know were never taken seriously, but now we're told are a big deal. I don't know. I think we should use them, too, we should never.

We're not making stuff up. Biden, Inc. I think we should use it, it's the only way.

And by the way, another fight where I was completely wrong about this was on the fight with judges in the Senate. Where Republicans weren't playing the same games that Democrats were playing. Democrats broke the system and forced through, you know, majoritarian rules on judges. And it was, and thank God, literally. I say my prayers, and I thank God that Republicans turned the tables and did the same thing when they had the opportunity because-.

That wasn't a good idea.

And do you think they're going to use 87,000 I.R.S agents to go after their own supporters? No, they're going to go after small business owners who are almost exclusively Republican. They're going to go after all of their enemies, their political enemies. Anybody who appears in court, I mean, in Congress to testify, they're going to go after them.

And I get your point, and maybe practically you're right, and I'm wrong. I've been wrong many times about the tactical stuff because I so love this extraordinary, precious thing that our founders left to us. But my gosh, you know, if that's, you know, I don't have a better answer, I'll say that.

Like, can we go back to the old mythical tip? O'Neill? Ronald Reagan? That's not the time we live in now. It's just not. We have to deal with the fight, the realpolitik in front of us, not the fight we want. And I'll tell you, Charlie, a wake up call for me because I was very similar to you.

I said, You know what? When we get, when we get back to establish decorum in the Senate and elsewhere, the liberals will see we're not Nazis and fascists. The wake up call for me was, I always had this don't get into the boycott thing, guys, it's stupid. We're going to just justify what they do to us.

And then I saw it being in this business. The devious, grotesque nature of how they'll just they'll try to wipe shows off the air for no reason whatsoever. And I said, OK, they want to play the boycott game I'm all in. And I've actually led some of those suckers on Twitter.

And you know what happened, Charlie? A lot of these people, brother, I kid you not, man. A lot of those people used to go after my show, they shut the real quick man. When I started pointing out that. The head of media matters wrote a blog about quote trannies and the jury and the Japs, his quotes, not mine. All of a sudden, Charlie, I noticed something real funny.

They shut their mouths real fast. And that's when I said to myself, Nah, man, fire with. I'm never going to violate my morals or ethics or do anything to embarrass my kids. But you want to fight fire with us, brother? I think Ron DESantis and Trump have shown the way.

Trump with the media and desantis on policy and culture, you got to fight back.

There are honest people out there and I and I and I and I wish, you know, there's got to be a way that we reach those people. And say, Really, John Fetterman.

And yeah, they're the ones who voted for Trump. Charlie Unfortunately, I'm out of time. I got to tell you you be a Jim. We got to get Charlie on the podcast. We get more time, man.

You are just such a fascinating guy, you make me think, and that's why I always love having you on my shows. Charlie, thanks a lot for joining us man. I really appreciate it.

Such a good guy, thanks a lot.

Jimmy, you see the difference again. We Republicans can have a disagreement on tactics. And talk like normal people without salivating about cooking each other in, like the, you know, the bowl and boiling people like the Witch Salem, witch trials. That's a difference between us and the other lunatics. And he didn't call me a Nazi. Now, one time it's I had to take a break.

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Check this out. Good man, super smart guy, very funny, always energetic.

And an author author of the book The Unexpected Light of Thomas Alva Edison, My good friend Raymond Arroyo Raymond, how are you, buddy?

Well, it's only Thursday, I think it's good Friday, I'm running ahead.

So we're going to get to this book. I want to hear about your book. But I wanted to talk obviously about this amazing holiday for Christians, where we celebrate my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his rising from the dead. But before the break, I was thinking, you'd be a good guy to comment on this. I was talking about communism.

And then, not in a granular manner, but how the essence of the socialist, the modern socialist, is. They have to divorce people from God and the family, because it's a source. Raymond, as you know, God and faith of objective values. In other words, they're not changeable, they're not open to your interpretation.

You will love your fellow man. Well, I think, well, you don't get to think otherwise. Those are the rules, you don't like them, you can go to hell.

I don't mean it as an insult. That's the thing I think in this new, subjective society we live in where boys can be girls, girls can be boys. I think that's what drives the modern progressive and the old school communist crazy. Like, I don't have to listen to your God rules, I'll just make my own rules.

I mean, we're God, we're communists.

And look, you saw that Wall Street Journal poll that came out a few weeks ago, where faith is dropped by 40 points in this poll. People just don't care about God anymore, but that tells you more about themselves. They've learned to hate themselves, which is why birth rates are down, marriages are down, patriotism is down.

It's the natural consequence of abandoning a God who loves you and has your best interest at heart. Once you give that up, everything falls to pieces. And that's where we are as a country and a people, I fear.

RAYMOND You know, this is Easter Sunday for me. You know, Christmas gets all the attention because you grow up, you get presents and all that stuff. But really, on the Christian calendar, this is the holiday that matters most is when my Lord and Savior rose from the dead. And I say to people who have a tough time understanding my faith, you know, I like to evangelize the cause, but everybody has to make their own decision. What I find so compelling about the story of Jesus is the fact that people die for their religion all the time.

There's nothing new. Whatever religion you're in, you've seen people who have martyred themselves for it. However, the difference with Christianity is the apostles who died for Jesus actually knew Jesus. And if you're going to be crucified upside down or beheaded and tortured and poisoned, you know, at some point you're probably going to be like, OK. I was just kidding. He really didn't rise from the dead, like jokes over.

And none of them did that, which has to tell you something.

They built a kind of little chapel in the middle of this huge old church. But if you go in there and open the icon on the far wall, there's a three feet high, blackened stubble of a wall. A little piece of it behind the chapel they built. That is what remains. Because the Muslims came in a thousand years ago and bulldozed it, they just burned it to the ground, the original sepulchre itself. So the fact that you still have these markers and you can see how it was contested and fought over through time. That should be a great a support for us and bolster us in our faith. And b. It should remind us how our predecessors placed such weight on the importance of belief and faith in a God who existed.

Because once you let that go, all civilization slips with it, and the totalitarians that come and burn and destroy will take over. That should be a—It's a sobering reminder to us, I think, this Holy week.

You've got Drag Queen Story Hour going on, you've got crime running rampant in cities, you've got these Twitter videos of young kids beating up old women in elevators. I mean, it feels like we've been abandoned. I know what I say to them, but what do you say?

And the same excesses we're seeing all around us the deformity of humanity, the degradation and debasement of humanity. All of that was in that first century Roman world. That is what it looked like. You had the same debauchery. This is the world that Christ walked into and let me tell you before he died and after he rose. It was contested, and you had a small number of people who believed a little remnant.

And from that, from that little mustard seed of faith, from those people willing to continue to live that faith, not just talk about it, live it, risk for it. That is where the faith that continued and spread over the world came from. So you have to give. —Holy Week is a great reminder to us that you may not have the largest numbers now. The important thing is to really walk the walk and to be the billboard for the faith, to be the face of God and the hands of God. For people, not just give lip service to it. You know, I knew Mother Teresa.

I watched her, I interviewed her a bunch of times, I saw her in person, she didn't lecture people, she showed you what Christ looked like in action.

That's what we need to do, not only now, always, always.

I mean that I spend my entire life—.

Thank you, thank you. I'm a spreadsheets guy, I want to see numbers. And, you know, I questioned my faith for a long time.

I did, and then I read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, and the book changed my life. Because he was a journalist who was an atheist who was like, I'm going to debunk this whole Christ myth, this is just these people are crazy. And not only did he not debunk it, he became an evangelist for Jesus Christ. Because, he said, there's no way this story isn't real.

And one of the things him and others bring up is, you know, on this Easter weekend, you know? Some people say, Well, what if the disciples of Jesus, the Apostles, were just hallucinating, and they thought they, well, Jesus addressed that, the Apostles addressed that too? Jesus, what are we seeing? They addressed the idea themselves, like, are we really envisioning this? But that leaves out the fact that it wasn't just the apostles that witnessed the living Christ.

It was hundreds of others who saw him as well, and you know, he physically appeared. That's why he said. Put the finger in the nail holes right there, he physically appeared in front of many people.

All of those markers, they're beautiful reminders. And look, you know, years ago, Dan, I remember when Mel Gibson was shooting The Passion of the Christ, and you know, I was there. I did some of the first interviews with him and I remember the scorn and the attacks he endured. Just for daring to tell this story again, the way you broadcast with zeal, with fire, with conviction, that's a threat to some people.

But I often think those first apostles had that same kind of fire in the belly zeal. It's what set them apart they weren't eloquent theologians, they weren't learned or lettered men.

They were men who were convicted and on fire because they had this encounter with Christ. That is really what every Easter should be about, every Holy week. A rekindling of that fire and a reminder that we're called to let it burn in our lives and to have that encounter with Jesus. That's what it's all about, and I hope people take it seriously. This year. Because the stakes are higher, they continue to rise.

You don't have a Christian culture anymore, you're going to have to fight for it.

My fate did not come easy to me. it was a very, very difficult journey. Raymond, I want to talk about your book, so you have a book out called The Unexpected Light of Thomas Alva. Edison. You've been a bestselling author.

Why write this book? What's the message in this book for the audience?

They said he couldn't be taught and he was addlebrained. The devotion and faith of his mother, Dan. She brought him home. She recognized the natural curiosity, his passion for learning. She brought him home, homeschooled him, gave him a chemistry set, let him experiment.

And yes, he burned down the barn and blew up the basement. But she also nurtured the world's greatest inventor. He should be the patron saint of homeschooling. But you know what his great saying was? People said, Oh, Edison, you're a genius.

You made the light bulb, the microphone, the alkaline battery, the first electric car I could go on and on. He said. No, I'm not a genius, the genius is sticking to it. And he learned with his hands and his head.

That's what his mother taught him. He read deeply, but then he explored the world and learned how to build and tinker. But the most important thing, he said, Dan, and it runs to really, what your book is about, certainly mine. It's about the power of failure, and he was a creator through the power of failure.

He found the failings of others, he built and refined what they had created, and then he patented his new creation and the phonograph. All of the things that we, the light, we bask in today. That's all due to his ability to push himself to find answers others had given up on. And the devotion and love of a mother who saw in her boy the possibilities that the world ignored.

And again, the power of family, Dan, and devotion to your child. There's nothing to supplant a parent's love. Nothing more important. And all these inventions would never have been so.

I captured that young part of his life. Kids are reacting to it. I love the letters I've gotten from parents. But, you know, it's the first of a series called Turnabout Tales, and our little motto is Challenges faced, Paths turned, history changed.

And that's all of our lives. We can all have turnabout tales once we have the eyes to see it. And I hope young people will recognize themselves in Edison. Not in all his creations, but in his fumblings and in the way he was written off and his natural curiosity.

We're talking to Raymond Arroyo, you know him from Fox, been on the show before. The book is called The Unexpected Light of Thomas Alva Edison Raymond. Unfortunately, I'm out of time. I so enjoy talking to you.

Thanks for coming on and happy Easter my good friend.

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Now, check them out. Finally, here's executive director of the Air Marshal National Council, Sonia Labosco, who says federal air marshals are spying on Americans who were in Washington, D..C. on January 6th. And she has the receipts to back it up.

Listen to this important interview really closely. So a source, a really good source of mine, calls me up or actually sends me a message. I should say precision matters and said, You know, you're never going to believe this. But I have some information that the FBI may be working with the FAMS federal air marshals to engage in some form of domestic spying. And I responded back, like, what you know? emoji, shocked guy, like, I'm surprised, but I'm not.

And I said, Tell me more, give me the details here. And the details were that they're abusing this program designed to spy on terrorists. Which, of course, it's a public space, an airplane. I mean, you can buy a seat next to anyone you want.

It's not a search and seizure issue, however. That is a very intimate space on planes, so we decided to reach out to some folks to get some expertise on this. Because we don't want to be stupid, smart people who pretend to know things we don't. So I'd like to welcome to the show the Executive Director of the Federal Air Marshal National Council, Sonia Labosco Sonia, thanks for spending some time with us.

We appreciate it.

You are very familiar with this issue. Is this true? Is the air marshals involved in this program that may be engaged in some form of political spying of American citizens?

I was not a fan. I was in 1811 in a different space, but having flown a lot, most people obviously have. That's a really intimate space, you know, we all have this personal zone.

I don't know, two, two and a half feet of personal space. When people get in it, we get uncomfortable. That's not on a plane, you're surrounded, person to your left, person to your right.

If you're in a middle seat, they are right on top of you, you're sharing an armrest, whatever you're texting, or whoever you're talking to. It's almost like getting a search warrant for someone's device if you're seated next to him. I think that's why this program really unnerved a lot of people when I brought it up, the spying program.

Americans have been targeted, they have been placed on watch lists, they've been placed on lists that classify them as a domestic terrorist. Not only within our agency, but within the airlines as well.

I'm so fascinated by what you're telling me. I'm texting a producer of my life. This is just, you know what I'm up to, right? Jim? I'm like, I got to make this happen.

The story is, I can't believe that I really even know. The depravities of some at the upper levels of law enforcement who've abused their position. Never really shocked me. This story I find stunning, because the person who contacted me, Sonny, we're talking to Sonny. Labosco, executive director of the Federal Air Marshal National Council, said that one of their family members was involved in this. Where the targeting of the person on the plane by the air marshal was almost certainly political and had nothing to do that whatsoever with terrorism. Are you hearing this, too?

So all the air marshals that were flying missions to China prior to stopping that China got all their personal identifiable information, their information on their families, information on their brothers, their sisters, their moms and their dads. If air marshals refused to give that information to China, they were suspended. OK, that was number one, number two, the failure in Afghanistan, the withdrawal from Afghanistan. They took the air marshals out of the aircraft to go and work at all the military bases around the United States.

I mean, we're a very small workforce and they already depleted our workforce by taking us and putting us on these details. They took us off for the Afghan refugee details, Operation Allies Welcome and put us in the military bases working. Then they come back and they pull us back out of the air and send us down to the Southwest border. OK, now they're classifying Americans that attended a rally on January, the 6th, and, by the way, you didn't have to attend the rally to be claimed a domestic terrorist.

You just had to fly into the region. Now they're now they're doing this, so you set those things up. What does that appear to be?

Because I don't know if I heard that correctly, that we're giving information the Federal Air marshals to the Chinese Communist Party. AM I? Did I hear that wrong?

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything you do. Unfortunately, the reputations of many have been tarnished by the actions of some. And it's getting increasingly disturbing how the 1811 class and the class of federal investigators and weapons carriers have been used for seemingly political missions. SONIA We've seen it before, we've seen it with the investigation of parents who showed up at school board meetings being classified as domestic terrorists.

And I'm glad that they have people like you who can speak up. Are you getting this information filtering up? Because I want people to feel at ease that there's at least a class of gun carriers and badge carriers that object to this type of stuff. Are they saying the folks out there, we're not going to do this, we're not going to spy on people on planes who've done nothing wrong?

Is there kind of an upswell? There are people just upset with this.

When you buy an airplane ticket, it doesn't designate on the ticket you're a Democrat or a Republican. Everybody's traveling, everybody should feel safe. We're being put into this pigeonhole in this position by bureaucrats who want to promote up and suck up to the Biden administration. I mean, let me tell you about the head of the snake within our agency.

Do you want to hear who the head of the snake is in TSA? That's driving this? OK? The head of the snake is our office of Chief Counsel, Francine Kerner. We call her the lowest learner of TSA. She is unelected and unaccountable.

She is a holdover from the Clinton administration to leak specific information about Whitewater to people outside the investigation. How in the world did this lady, who has proven herself to be inappropriate, get a position within TSA as our chief counsel? She is driving this, she is the swamp.

I've flown with many of them, you know how it works. When you're an 1811 flying arm, the first people you have to identify yourself to are the pilot and the FAMs on the plane. So you know, you don't out them or anything like that.

But you wind up meeting a lot of people and they do a really valuable job. And I would think the idea of having federal air marshals sit next to someone who could be an actual potential terrorist based on real information is extremely valuable. That, what bothers me, I think most about this story is the fact that they're now wasting these brave men and women to go and follow people around for political reasons. SONIA You have limited resources and there are thousands of flights every day. If you're following around, you know. John Q.

Smith for flying to D.

C to a political rally. You may be leaving out John Q terrorist who's actually on a plane, scoping something out, or looking to do bad things.

Do you understand? Every day they're destroying what we've done to try to stop another 9-11? I mean, we're in grave danger right now. We need immediate oversight to expose and stop the concealment of this political agenda. This is happening every day.

People are being followed more than once. Dan, Once you're on this list, brother, you're on this list, you're not getting off. These people are being followed every day. Every time that they traveled just for attending a rally, they never went to the Capitol.

But the agency has not told the truth. They've listed these folks saying they entered the Capitol building, and I can tell you 100 percent we know people did not enter the Capitol. They weren't even close to it.

But they are deemed a domestic terrorist right now.

But Sonia, I've got to run, but I want to just thank you for speaking out, just do us a favor, keep your phone on. It'll make sense in a little bit because this is a story I'm going to help you hear. Because we are going to get some oversight on this. Because I'm not going to let this story go. This is absolutely unacceptable.

There's no reason the people you represent in the air marshals should be abused to be doing this type of political spying. It is insane. And thank you for speaking up. We appreciate your time. thanks for coming on.

I thought she's going to come on and say, Yeah, it's an issue. It's been a couple of isolated incidents. We got to take care of it. I think we may have a lid on. I didn't know.

That's where that was going to go, folks, that wasn't some put on. I've never spoken to Sonia before in my life that Jim booked at.

But that is an amazing interview right there. And due to her, not me, you believe this? You're getting on a plane.

You attended a political rally, you got an air marshal flying next to you, watching what you're doing.

I'm telling you, Kim Jong-un is listening right now. Going. I got an idea. Tony, Tony, they take notes. Did you hear the Bongino show, Tony? Do we have air marshals? No, sir, we don't.

Let's start a new agency, the North Korean Air Marshals. Can we just follow around our political opponents? Done, you name it? This is crazy.

That was Sonia Lobosco, with some really disturbing information. I think we can all agree on that. Hey, thanks for listening to this special Sunday podcast we put together for you. You can hear me every day on the radio on over 300 stations. If you want to hear where you can listen near you, go to Bongino..com and click on Station Finder.

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