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All right, I'm always excited to welcome back to the show a man who hopefully will be the next president of the United States. A good friend to the show, a good friend to me personally. President Donald J. Trump Mr. President, thanks for joining us.
Hello Dan.
Mr. President, we got the report yesterday. Everything you said was correct. This is one of those hashtag. Donald Trump was right.
Again, moments, Sir, you were framed, you were framed. They had no evidence of any of this from the start.
Your thoughts on that?
They thought they were going to lose and we were indeed framed. And it really pertained more because they missed the dates. And, amazingly, the report wasn't picked up until just after the election. If you remember, I think it was Buzzfeed, which is now essentially out of business. I understand, which is a very good thing for the for the country. But this was done sometime after the campaign had actually affected.
If you look at it and really study it, it really affected 2020 much more because we went through years of nonsense with Russia, Russia, Russia. I didn't even know what they were talking about. People would come up to me, Sir, do you know anything about Russia? and after a while I'd say, What's going on with Russia? It was a frame up.
And these are bad people, this is Schiff and Clinton, and all of these are bad people. But it was much more than them. Mark Elias You take a look at what they did, and this really affected 2020 more than it affected 2013..
It was meant for 2016, but they couldn't get it off, you know they. They had this fake dossier written by Steele. And who was offered millions in order to try and get it confirmed. And he couldn't get it confirmed. He couldn't get anybody to confirm it because it was all fake.
It was like you write a fiction book. And. But this really affected the 2020. Another thing in the 2020 election, which was totally rigged by the way, incredibly, how they didn't want to talk about that, and they didn't want to talk or rigged. But all you have to do is take a look at the 51 intelligence agency.
That's rigged it. Take a look at Truth to vote. These are great patriots, Catherine Engelbrecht.
And these are great patriots. Went around for for a year, took all of the tapes out. She sold all of the stuffing the ballot boxes. That took hundreds of thousands of votes, stuffing the ballot boxes that took place. And just you take a look at just Twitter and the FBI, and that's all modern day stuff that doesn't even go back that far. But now you find out they found out much later about Twitter and the FBI, the 51 intelligence agency saying it was Russian disinformation.
And everyone knew, every single one of them knew it wasn't no, this. It had a huge impact on the 2020 election.
Yeah, Mr. President, they interfered in multiple elections 2016, the midterms with the impeachment 2020, with their interference with Twitter to make the Hunter Biden story disappear. But Mr. President, I think the most stunning line from the Durham thing, the Durham report that came out yesterday, is that they never possessed, quote, any actual evidence of collusion. And that Obama, Biden, lynch and Comey, who you thankfully fired they knew in July of 2016, this whole thing was you being framed by Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, this was a coup, and if I didn't fire Comey, probably you wouldn't have made it. I wouldn't have made it. This great administration that did so much, wouldn't have made it because Comey, this was a whole coup. They were ready to go in.
You know, it's interesting. When I fired Comey, it was like it was like throwing a rock at a hornet's nest. They went crazy in the FBI. That's where we found out that the insurance policy remember with StrZok and Page the insurance policy. What do you do? Remember that line?
What do you do? He's going to win, he's going, No, no, he'll never win. It's 100 million to one.
Right, that was my guess, he said. He said. But if he does, we have an insurance policy. This was all the insurance policy.
This is sick. But, you know, we found that one and then we found out a lot of others and the whole thing blew up in their face. But had I not fired Comey and it all blew up because everyone went wild when I fired? They were all fighting for the job and they didn't care about him at that point, they just wanted to take care of themselves, but it all blew up.
If I didn't fire Comey, he would have walked in with Strzok and Page and this one and McCabe, and they would have said, Sir, I'm sorry. But the Russia thing, I said, what Russia thing? Can you imagine if you would have been taken out of office for something that you never even heard about? These are bad people.
These are sick people. I remember when I told you the story where they walked out, where Adam Schiff, the crooked guy, such a crooked guy, Little Adam Schiff, he walks out, Shifty Schiff, he walks out to the press. He wasn't supposed to because he was in a meeting of so-called intelligence, right?
But he walks out to the press and he says, Donald Trump Jr. will go to jail for life for what he's done here. And he knew it was a phony thing. He's saying that a young man has to go to jail for life because of what he did on Russia, Russia, Russia. And he knew that it was a hoax.
Think of how bad you have to be to say a thing.
And he's running for Senate, Mr. President, he's running for Senate right now.
AdaM ScHIFF Well, you know what? I hope, maybe I should endorse him, you know what?
I'll endorse him because that way he might lose in that area. I don't know, my endorsement is 99 percent in the Republican Party. But maybe what I'll do is I'll say, let's we got to get Adam Schiff in there.
That's a great idea, right? I do like an anti endorsement, like a kryptonite endorsement. I like that I'm going to endorse him.
Anyway, Mr. President, it's such a horrible thing.
Just a couple more questions. I know you've got to run. Thank you for calling in. I appreciate it. We're hoping you're going to be the next president of the United States.
Now that you've experienced the F.BI interfering in multiple elections, this is indisputable at this point. Can we get a promise from you for a house cleaning? The minute we get in office? Don't wait. No, no, no.
We don't need the first hundred days, just the first hundred minutes. We need everybody gone. Who cannot pledge allegiance to the Constitution and pledges allegiance to the Democrat Party first.
Well, after looking at the report and after seeing. And don't forget, I did a house fire. I fired a lot of people, but the deep state goes deep. Hey, firing. Comey was not, you know, that was, and I fired him very early.
You know, a lot of people said, Why did you wait so long? He was fired very, very early and it was a great firing. I'm telling you they were looking to do real bad, this was, this was a coup that they were looking at.
These are sick people. So yeah, the only a fool would not do that. You have to do it not only there, you have to do it in a lot of other locations. But, you know, this continues.
I don't know if you know, but we have a friend of Weissman, a very good friend of Weissman. It is Jack Smith and his wife hates Trump, and he hates Trump, and they've campaigned against Trump. they spent money against Trump.
Their friends hate Trump, and he's the special counsel. I call him, the special persecutor, not prosecutor, persecutor, because persecutors worse. But Jack Smith and he continues to go after Trump with the phony boxes hoax.
And if you take a look at Biden, Biden's got boxes all over the place. He had no right to declassify. I do, and but you just take a look, Jack Smith.
This is a continuation of the same hoax, it's all a big hoax. They're all friends, they're in there, they're embedded.
And it's really a question. It's rhinos, and it's Democrats, radical left, Democrats. I love the way you start your show with the radical left, you fight the radical left, the radical left, and they've been there for years.
They've been there for years and we've done a hell of a job on it. But they don't want, you know how, you know, because they don't want me. But we have a hoax going on right now and it should be stopped immediately by the attorney general.
It's a total charade.
Yeah, Mr. President, you had in the last administration, your last administration, you were looking at schedule laughing. Employees, which would enable you to get rid of a lot of employees who cannot pledge allegiance to the Constitution. And, of course, Joe Biden got rid of that because he wants to keep people in the swamp forever. Can we count on something like that after your presidency, too? So we can again get people in there who pledge service to the public and not pledge service to the Democrat Party.
Right, and I was the one that suggested that. But if you take a look at Nara, Nara has red flagged the Constitution of the United States. I don't know if you know this. And they've red flagged the Bill of Rights because they've red flagged it because they said they're dangerous documents or something to that effect. So you have Nara, which is all radical left.
That's the one that started this current hoax. But Nara radical left, Nara has the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States red flagged because they're dangerous documents. OK, that's where we're coming from, and now we'll get it all taken care of. Dan, you know that?
Mr. President, one last question, by the way, by closing up our border, and by drill, baby drill. As I said on CNN the other night, they got, they got one of the greatest ratings in their history. And they're going to throw the guy out, I think they're going to throw him out for putting me on.
Mr. President, I hate to correct you, you know, I like you, you're my, you're my buddy, and I don't want to correct you. On the air. But it's a TNN, the Trump news network.
So please don't air that, you know it was a big mistake. We're referring to it on the show only as TNN. So again, I hate to correct you, not trying to embarrass your young man. But I got to take care of. One more question, Mr. President.
Listen, everybody from the beginning knew the story was ridiculous, but a lot of people got taken down as collateral damage. General Flynn, an American patriot. This poor George Papadopoulos, who we learned yesterday, made exculpatory statements to a source in the FBI, in other words, said he had nothing to do with this at all. And then they went to the FISA court and said, No, no, he's involved in Russian collusion. I mean, a lot of people got taken down.
In addition to them trying to get rid of you.
Yeah, they got taken down and we're going to make, we're going to make amends to those people. People were treated so unfairly. And by the way, I know how you feel about it. But what about J6? We have policemen, firemen, soldiers, military people, phenomenal patriots in jail. But Antifa, BLM, and some of these other groups? That killed people all over Portland and all over Seattle and all over Minneapolis, and killed people and burned down the cities and took over the cities.
Nothing happens to them. How about that? Would you want us to think about that a little, too?
I will be Mr.
President, I know you got to run. Thank you so much for calling in. you know you have my support. I deeply appreciate it. thanks a lot for your time.
Thank you, Dan.
I appreciate it too. Thanks a lot, Dan.
Bye, you got it, there you go, folks, President Donald J. Trump.
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Enjoy this. I got a message here from the guy who was complaining about me yelling during it. But this is important because his answer is indicative of why I disregard people like this. And I say all the time, if you don't want to listen, it's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure.
Because the loyal listeners to the show, you know, I love you, man, you know it, take calls. There are more opportunities for you to interact personally with me because I don't want to feel like some elitist snubber. I get the microphone.
I'm in charge, I'm not in charge, you're in charge. No, no, you are in charge, make no mistake.
If this show was pulling a two share in markets, we'd be off the air. The fact that this show. I don't get into rating stuff often because it's silly and it sounds, but I personally do. I just don't talk about it because that's my business.
I'm just telling you, some of the numbers we're pulling in our biggest markets are obscenely high because of you. Jim shaking his head because he knows what I'm saying is true. We annihilate other people on the airwaves in some of these markets. I'm not talking about later shows.
I'm talking about in this time block. You matter to me more than anything. You can interact with me through the live chat. Every day in the podcast, every day at 11 a...m. We take calls at the end of the show, I get it.
Not a lot, I understand. I read your Facebook messages during the show and we do questions for Dan tomorrow because you're part of this show. But some people don't belong here, and that's OK. The guy who was complaining about me, yelling in my just sent a follow up message.
And this is so indicative of the losing attitude a lot of people have in this movement. That will get you in this country destroyed quicker than anything. The guy's name is Jeff. I'll leave his last name out of it. He's talking about the yelling part of the show, but this is, this is a bigger thing now.
He says You can catch more flies with honey. OK, I don't have cliched, stupid stuff. Can we leave that out? Because maybe you should try to appeal to the liberals and tell them it's OK to join us on the right? Instead of calling them stupid, we need more votes, and calling them stupid is the wrong way to do it.
We're divided and you're doing nothing except driving the wedge deeper. Sir, you completely misunderstand right now, Mr. Jeff, the fight we were in. Completely. I'm sorry, but it's guys like, you are going to get this country destroyed. This show is not for you.
Go listen to another, It's not for you, it's OK, OK, you, you, you believe liberals are waiting to be persuaded by conservatives about how they're wrong. You, you actually believe?
You said that out loud, you actually believe that you use the word liberals? I know you didn't say Democrats, because yes, there are some Democrats. And Jim do I not always say?
I'm not talking about all Democrats, I'm always, I'm always very careful. But you said, you really believe liberals? The same liberals who threw January six people, some of them guilty of nothing more than a trespass violation, and a gulag, some of them for years. The same liberals who spied on a president, a presidential candidate, the same liberals who are currently trying to get the FBI to geo track and follow around. Pro-lifers. The same liberals that wanted parents speaking out at school boards, targeted the same liberals that. No matter how much money you give in taxes or want, twice the amount. The same liberals who stuffed your kid into failing public schools and inner cities for five generations, destroying any chance of prosperity, the same liberals who want to defund the police. So you're murdered, raped or robbed in the streets. You actually believe that they're listening to conservatives, waiting to be convinced, Mr.
Jeff, get off the air, bro. This ain't for you pal, the yelling isn't for you, and this show isn't for you. Because, man, I'm really sorry. You are grotesquely misinformed, and you are precisely the reason that this country will go down in flames, you specifically.
Because you actually believe that the people stare at you in the face and telling you to cut your kids. Nads off. At nine years old because your son one time picked up a Barbie doll. You believe they're listening to conservative radio going? Oh, that's a good point. We shouldn't cut the kids nuts off. That's a bad idea, you're right.
You're totally correct, they're convinced. Shred them nuts. That's a bad idea. You're totally right, Jeff.
You nailed it, buddy. Hundred percent correct. We should definitely not call that stupid or ridicule them, nope.
But we shouldn't do it, we should say, Mr. liberal, Sir, Mr. Liberal. I don't think it's a good idea for you to shred that child's NADs at an early age. It's a really bad idea.
They just picked up a barbie doll. Oh, thanks, Dan Bongino, let me reevaluate that. Johnny, Should we castrate you today? Uh, I don't know that. I picked up a barbie doll.
Uh, let's not. I heard it on the Dan Bongino, you actually believe that, you believe that you're telling me, liberals who still believe. There's a tape of Donald Trump getting peed on in a hotel room in Russia. That no human being on planet Earth is seen. And it was paid for by Hillary Clinton by a foreign spy.
You still believe that exists, the Liberals still believe, you think you're going to convince them now that Donald Trump is their guy in 2025. Let's just be nice to him, let's just be nice.
Well, Jeff daddy-o, this ain't the nice guy show, OK?
This is the go yourself show to liberals, that's what this is. this is the go yourself. Yes, you do, that's the show.
This is the go yourself show, Oh.
Dan That's brutal. Yes, sir, it is, and here it is, in the loudest voice possible. Yes, sir.
You are dealing in a Manichaean fight for the future of this country. You get the double barreled middle finger from me on the radical far left, you get nothing, you get nothing, nothing.
You get no respect, you get nothing, you will get nothing from me but ridicule, and I will scream in this microphone to the day I die. If I think it's going to make this message go far and wide about what a dumb ass you liberals are.
You want to do cutesy time, man, you got to find a totally different show, man, you missed the mark with this one.
You're the same people who complained about mean tweets with Trump. He has a twig and stuff. He drew a hurricane map one time. Yeah, he did. GDP growth was three percent.
We weren't throwing Americans in jail for showing up at political rallies, we weren't spying on political candidates. We got a couple of Supreme Court justices in there, we got tons of other justices, the appellate and circuit level, Roe v.
Wade went down as a result. What's that? Oh, yeah, the Abraham Accords. Good point, Jim, yeah.
But he tweets, he tweets, he tweeted on Taco Tuesday, That's you, that's you, Jeff, that's the kind of. This isn't your show, bro.
It's not your show, it's not an airport. OK, you got it, you want to leave and depart, just depart the plane, you don't have to announce the departure.
It's oK.
The show is never going to change. I think I've shown you I give zero f's about what the syndicator says, or anyone else for that matter. I love the people who put the show on the air. There are great PDs and program directors and stations I'm very close friends with, but nobody tells me what to say. Ever, ever, ever.
I'll even help you out if anyone wants to call me to tell me what to say. Just cancel the show before the call because it's not going to end well.
I think you've already seen that in the last few months.
He was fired, you sure about that?
Nobody tells me what to say ever. I'm 48 years old, I've accumulated a small fortune investing in stuff. I believed in fighting this free speech fight despite every liberal on planet Earth and their trillion dollar companies coming. For me. They took us down once, the second time we hit, we hit it, man.
We hit it big because we took a freaking chance. I've survived cancer. Liberals, Democrats, Losers, New Yorkers, New York City, Maryland, running for office three times. You think I'm going to be told what to do by someone, Oh my gosh, we got to be really nice to the liberals. Screw the liberals.
Because they will screw you in a heartbeat, man, and you better wake the hell up to that. This is a dog eat dog politic, a wolf eat wolf world.
And if you're not ready for it, then back away and go listen to Sports Radio. I'm sure you can hear who the Auburn quarterback is. I'm not interested in that crap.
You've heard me talk about sports once on this show.
Because they're all woke anyway, and most of them hate you too. And I was trying to save someone a hundred million dollars in that case and it didn't work. You should have listened. You want to hear about that stuff, you want to hear about culture and the latest.
Listen, I love working out, I would love to talk about working out. I'd love. You want to talk about blood flow restrictors, you want to talk about the niagen supplements.
What do you want? I love it, you know why I don't talk about it on the show? Because you got a bunch of commies trying to burn the freaking country down. We don't need to talk about collagen peptides.
I would love to. I love collagen peptides, that's why I'm 48. I've cooked in the Florida sun for now 10 years, and my skin still looks freaking good because of collagen peptides. You know what collagen peptides are going to do for saving the country?
Squat nothing. You got commies running this place, ready to destroy it and burn it to the ground. You want me to waste my time talking about the Oscars? Hey, the Oscars are out last night.
Let me tell you one, I don't give a who got the best picture nomination. I don't care, I don't care, I care about saving this place. And if you're wondering why I'm spending so much time on some listeners feedback, it's because this is not the only.
This is probably the 150th Facebook message this week alone from someone pretending to be a conservative. Telling me, it just got to be nice. I'm not nice. Why do you care if I'm nice? You want to date me or something?
Why do you care? I'm not nice? I'm a mean a-hole. I'm not nice. You think I'm nice, Jim?
You're ruining this segment. Jim. Jim's telling you I'm nice. Thank you Jim. You're a good man. I'm not nice.
He just took it back. No, he didn't. Yes, he did. I'm OK, I'm nice to my friends, but I'm not nice to liberals.
Can we agree on that? Jim's saying, OK, I'll give you a pass on that. I don't like liberals and I'm not going to be nice to him. You want me to be nice to the imbecile class.
You want me to be nice to him. Just perfect timing, Jim. Get Schiff ready. You want me to be nice to this loser. This pile of human waste.
Adam Schiff, a guy who just got totally busted by the Durham report, totally busted as the lead player in the biggest political scandal of our time. This guy should have resigned, apologized to his family, his friends, his neighbors, his priest, rabbi, imam. I don't know what he is, I don't care. He should have resigned in disgrace and committed to doing prison ministry for the rest of his life, just to somehow save his horrid soul from the hades that awaits him.
You want me to be nice to this life loser. Here he is, after the Durham report on MSNBC. Not only not apologizing, but attacking Durham, who has zero history as a partisan and saying nothing at all about his role in the biggest political scandal of our time. You want me to be nice to this guy, that's a hard, freaking pass on that one, bro.
Check this out. Congressman Schiff. The Durham investigation ended up where there was plenty of reason to believe it was going to end up with a new report about nothing.
That's exactly right. As you pointed out, this is an investigation that started in a flawed manner, it was conducted in a flawed manner, and its conclusion is a flawed conclusion. It began in a flawed way because this was the result of Donald Trump badgering Bill Barr to investigate the investigators.
So it was brought really with no predicate, except this is what Donald Trump was demanding, and this is what Bill Barr wanted to do. And you're taken.
Now you want to be nice, Jeff, you go ahead and be nice, you want to play ball with that. Okay, let me tell you something. These people would hurt you at a moment's notice.
And I use my words very carefully because I've seen it, I have seen it up close and personal. You want to negotiate with them?
Now there are Democrats out there, voting Democrats. We do need to convince, and if we can get a good portion of them to understand the threat, the existential threat to this country, we should do it. Independents, too, liberals, they're gone, forget them.
They're gone.
They're gone. So why do you debate liberals? I'll leave it at this and I got to take a break. Very smart man in politics. I was listening to him speak one time down in Montgomery County, Maryland, when I was running for office.
And he said, You should always take an opportunity to debate a liberal in public. I was like, Gosh, I remember thinking, why these people are idiots? Why would we waste their time? he said. Because you're not debating them.
You're debating the third person? Well, who the hell's the third person? I'm debating? a liberal? It's two of us. What he said made sense about, I don't know, three, four months later.
I was at the Baltimore County, the Maryland State Fair up in Baltimore County. Or Balmer, if you come from there Balmer. And this teacher's advocate comes up and this total liberal wants to argue with me about school choice. This went on for like 10 minutes. I was not breaking through to the lady at all.
Guy comes up to me after the lady walks away about five minutes later, he says, I heard what you said there, he said. That made a lot of sense. He's like, you know, I'm a public school guy, I support the public schools, but he's like, I appreciate what you said.
I appreciate what you said there, and it clicked what that guy had said Forget the liberal, forget them, man, they hate this place.
They hate you, they hate everything about this country, but take every opportunity to debate them because there's always a third person listening up. Next is another incredible interview. We'll get to that in a second, but let me tell you about our next sponsor.
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Here's James Lindsay in one of the finest interviews I think we've ever done on the radio show. What an amazing guest. Check him out on Twitter. He's at Conceptual James. He gave an amazing speech at Oxford about wokeness.
One of the best speeches I've ever heard. We had a discussion about it. Check this out. So, as I told you before the break, if you're not following this gentleman, you should you can follow him on True Social and on Twitter.
He is at Conceptual James. He is one of the best commentators out there on the growing, very pernicious, malicious threat of Western Marxism here in the United States. This is very real, folks, this is not a joke, and this fight is an existential one for us. I'd like to welcome to the show James Lindsay.
James, Thanks for spending some time with us, we appreciate it.
Yeah, my pleasure Dan, what's up?
So how are you? Hi, what's up? Sorry? it's really like we're at a bar. What's up, man? I don't know what's up with you.
So I listened to your speech a couple weeks ago, went viral on Twitter. I think I had a role in that because I told everyone and their mother to go and listen to this speech. It's about 20 plus minutes long, but it is absolutely fantastic about the threat of Western Marxism. And one of the things you address I wanted you to talk to my audience about today is how this is all interchangeable for them.
They'll use class if class is a way to divide people, and when class doesn't work in the West, they'll move to another thing, like race, which is more immutable and visible. But this is deliberate by their part. These aren't civil rights people fighting for people's civil liberties. They're using these race arguments as a means of division. To fill that vacuum with this big government collectivist Marxist threat, that's what they want.
Yeah, that's right. And they're hiding inside those civil rights movements, so they know there's legitimate issues around civil rights and especially that there have been in the past. So they hide in those things as radical splinter cells, and then they erupt out, these very intentional, deliberate tactics.
But the key point of the lecture I gave at the Parliament in Europe was that. When we look at Western Marxism, we have to look at Marxism as a system that attacks civilizations or societies. And it's gonna find where it can get in, so in peasant societies like you had in Russia in 1917 and China like you had in 1949. It can get in through class, it can work its way in through class division, but in the West, the Marxists of the 20th century admitted it won't get in through class in America. In Western Europe, because we have class mobility.
If you work your ass off, you can rise up in the structure. As the Marxists themselves said, we see that capitalism allows people to build a better life, that stabilizes the working class, so they won't be a revolutionary class. So they have to use the same motif, but they put it in a different location.
So I said, you wanna think of it like with animals? like with genus versus species, a genus is cats. In this case, it's Marxism. But if you think of genus as cats, you got tigers, you got lions, you got house cats, you got bobcats, you got pumas. They're all different kinds of cats, but they're all still cats.
Here, Marxism is one type of attack on a civilization, one type of modality to take over, seize control of the means of production and ruin a society. And you've got class-based Marxism, which is classical Marxism, you got race-based Marxism, which is critical race theory, you've got what's considered normal-based Marxism. And that's queer theory. And the gender theory you've got. Based on men and women, patriarchy, or whatever you wanna call it, you got Marxist feminism.
It's the exact same attacks, the exact same structure, the exact same goals. And the goal is actually just to seize power. And whatever they wanna do after they get power is what we're all gonna get. Which looks a lot like eating bugs and living in pods.
Yeah.
Yeah, James, you know, folks, I can't recommend strongly enough that you watch the entire speech. go to James's Twitter or True Social. he's at ConceptualJames. Just click on the media button and you'll see the speech is just amazing.
It's about 20 minutes, it's the best 20 minutes of your life. If you're really interested in this stuff because you're gonna get it right there about what this is about. James, You're right, it's all interchangeable parts.
To get to this end, we jokingly on the show play that clip from Silence of the Lambs, where Anthony Hopkins is talking about Buffalo Bill, the serial killer to the FBI agent Clarice. And he says, What is it that he covets? And I always try to get when people ask me, why? why does the left do this? why does the left do that? I always ask them to boil it down to the essence, right?
And you just nailed it. Their goal is a collectivization of power, and that's hard to do. James The selling Marxism to people is difficult. Nobody voluntarily gives up their economic freedom, their educational freedom, their healthcare freedom.
Nobody wants that, even liberals don't liberals. The liberals in Congress didn't even want Obamacare. They voted for the federal Healthcare employee program so they could pick right. So the way that the Marxists do.
This is just so devious, how they, you know, sometimes they'll take it by force. But how they can get people to vote for them and give up their own liberty and freedom and walk into this ideological prison? It's amazing that this pernicious ideology that's led to hundreds of millions of body bags still manages to coax people into this prison.
Well, they're masters of manipulating language and manipulating perception, you know, we should never underestimate our enemy. I don't actually believe that they're smarter than anybody else on average, but I do believe that they're much more strategic and they're much more manipulative, and they're very, very linguistically savvy. So, for example, you can take a concept like socialism, which is the administered redistribution of shares. So citizens are made equal and you can rename that equity, which is defined as the administered redistribution of shares so that citizens are made equal. And now it's called equity, it's not socialism anymore.
So all of a sudden you can get people to say, Well, this is really important. This is a very important initiative because some people aren't being treated fairly. Our public administration apparatus needs to take it seriously and needs to incorporate it as a key pillar. And all of a sudden you have a socialist operation that's being called equity that nobody recognizes as socialism. They're absolutely masters of this kind of deception.
And the thing is is once you hand over the keys, they don't give them back. You have to really, really work or really, really fight to get them back.
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James, you're one of the few guys out there who really gets the threat, you know, you? Victor Davis, Hanson. Guys who can, who get it? I don't wanna say a few, who gets it, you get it, and you can talk about it.
I've seen you, I've had you on my show on Fox when I was still doing it. I've seen you on other shows on Fox when Tucker was still there. Me and Tucker. I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen in the future, but you're one of the few guys who gets it and can explain it. VDH is another one.
Thomas Sowell had a magical ability to do it. Milton Friedman, although he framed it in terms of economics, was really getting at economic liberty. You know, Hayek in the Road to Serfdom, another great book. But I mean, now that this, we know it's not going to go away, I mean, you know, Fukuyama's book, throw it out the window, right?
This is not the end of history as we know it. You know, it's gonna be with us forever. How can we, as freedom-loving advocates for God-given constitutional liberties and freedoms for everyone? What's the best way for us to fight back? A lot of us are just like, Gosh, why can't we just get rid of this plague on humankind?
Well, listen, first of all, we gotta get rid of that hubris, that we're gonna get rid of this plague on humankind. Because if I'm not mistaken, it's the same story that's in the third chapter of Genesis, so it's the oldest, second-oldest story in humanity, and it's not gonna go away. But we do have to fight it, and we have to fight it in every generation. So you already said the first thing freedom-loving Americans can do, which is that they have to get off the couch. They can't keep waiting for somebody else to do this.
They can't keep waiting for this to blow over. And they have to start getting active civically. They've got to start getting informed. They've got to start learning about this, telling other people about it, organizing, look at the group Moms for Liberty.
You've got like 150,000 moms moving in two years. You've got to start doing things like this. You've got to figure out where can I help? And you have to ask yourself, What am I good at? Everybody's looking at Klaus Schwab and they're thinking, Oh my god, this is so big.
How in the world can I touch something as huge as the World Economic Forum or the United Nations or the Biden administration? That's out of my hands, but your children are not out of your hands, and they need your kids to move this ball forward. So you need to protect your families, you need to get involved with the kids in your community, in your neighborhood and teach them right values, teach them skills.
There are all kinds of things people can be doing. And what you need to do is figure out what you're good at and what's close by. And do the next right thing. Over and over and over again. If you have the ability, like you do on your show, to reach out and expose things or make things happen. You have to aim for the highest link on the chain that you can reach, but don't try to reach a link on the chain higher than you can reach. Or just frustrate yourself. So if you can expose something in the Biden administration because you have a big reach, go do that.
If you can only help the kids in your neighborhood, because that's as far as you can reach, go do that. But there's no sitting on the couch.
That's great advice, great advice. It reminds me of something Ginny Thomas told me a long time ago. She says it all the time, she says, You know, where are the leaders we've been waiting for?
Like, you just said, like, stop waiting for someone else to take the ball. Yeah, you're right. I have a great show. I've been blessed with, thanks to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and these opportunities he's put in front of me. But that doesn't mean you can't make a difference, too.
You know, regardless of anyone's feelings about Jordan Peterson, he has a great line. Make your own bed first man, make your own bed before you want to change the world. I want to get to something else, though. James one of the things I talk about on the show. And if you think this is dumb, please tell me. Because I, you know, I really like thinkers like yourself. And I like to be course corrected if I'm on the wrong path.
Having been a law enforcement officer, people ask me often, You know, Dan? I don't get what the left gets out of street chaos, especially in liberal run cities. And I said, from my experience working there, I have this walking dead theory that show the walking dead, you know, where. They try to get away from the zombies and they go and they isolate themselves in an abandoned prison. And I said, the only people who give up their freedom and walk into an abandoned prison are people who are more afraid of what's on the outside, i...e. the zombies. So the left loves this street chaos.
This street chaos, it leads to this craving for old-fashioned order and strong-arm government. The street. The left has always had street thugs on the street doing their wet work and their dirty work. This is a legacy of the left for decades now. Doing this, do you think I'm onto something? Or do you have a better answer as to why? They love the street chaos and the defund, the police stuff?
Well, you're definitely onto something, and I'd say that that's a solid part of it. You are absolutely right that they want the chaos, they want the destruction. They want people to demand a solution. And the thing is is what they do is they always do this. They create a problem, then to say, Oh my God, look at this problem. We have a program and we're gonna come in with a solution.
And that's what they're always trying to do, so they're trying to get people to say, Oh my God, there's this problem, there has to be a solution. And then what they're very, very good at again with that master manipulation is they point at somebody else and say it's somebody else's problem. Look at Daniel Penney right now in New York City. Oh, he's a marine. They trained him wrong.
Now the Marines have got to do all this stuff, they trained him wrong, they made him too dangerous. Now the Marines have got to correct themselves. And so they always push it off on somebody else and they say, Oh yeah, well, here's what we're gonna do.
And it'll be some kind of surveillance program, it'll be some kind of something that they want that moves the ball in their direction. And so half of it is to get people to willingly give up their freedom, and half of it is that they've got a solution in mind. It's called the problem reaction solution cycle.
They create a problem, something happens as a reaction, and they use the reaction to introduce a predetermined solution. That they wanted to move people toward in the first place, which is a kind of dialectical attack, is what they call that. And it's very successful for them. They're doing this much more successfully than in the streets, they're doing it much more successfully out in the schools, they're failing the schools.
And then what are the next thing they do? They say, Oh well, we got to get rid of these tests. The tests are actually the problem. The tests have white supremacy in them. We've got to get rid of the LSAT.
We got to get rid of the SAT, we got to get rid of the GRE, all these tests. Well, we can't use GPA anymore, GPA is racist. So now what we're going to do is just have people tell a personal story and we'll decide who gets to go to college and who doesn't.
And it's one program after another. They break the kids with Covid, They say, Oh my God, look at how traumatized all the kids are, look at the learning loss. What we need to do is implement this new mental health program with the schools to fix the kids.
So you see what I mean. So on top of the zombie thing, you have the problem reaction, solution cycle, and it is a strategic move. This, by the way, Dan, is the most important thing Conservatives are missing still to win this fight is that the left moves operationally.
Everything they do is a strategic operation. It's not random, it looks random, it looks crazy, but it's a strategic operation with a strategic goal in mind.
My gosh you are, you're amazing.
Me and Jim, I'm watching Jim on the sky. He's just shaking his head in approval, like, Damn, this guy's good, James. We're loading this one up on the podcast channel too, Jim.
I know it's not out for two weeks, but you did not disappoint. My friend folks. Please follow him on Twitter and True Social. He's at ConceptualJames and watch his entire speech. It'll blow your mind. It is worth your time.
It's on my Twitter feed too, it says, Must watch and all caps. So good James. you are welcome back anytime. matter of fact. I hope you'll come back.
I'm gonna have Jim reach out and bug you once in a while if you're okay with that. But problem reaction solution so well said, Thanks a lot for coming on.
Absolutely have a great day.
You got it, bud.
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I wouldn't have been on the radio without him and Sean Hannity. These guys really helped me a lot. Take a listen, so what a really incredible surprise. I do my show rundown every morning.
It's seven o'clock in the morning and we're doing a rundown, like, it's a normal show. And Jim's like, Yeah, you know, two-year anniversary, Jim, we got any guests today? and Jim's like, Nah, nah, no, no guests, you know? I said, Okay, and then right before the show, he's like, Hey, we got a guest.
I'm like, Well, who is it? He's like, it's only the guy they called a great one, the great, of course. How are you gonna have anyone else? Let me welcome back to the show, the greatest broadcaster in the business, Mark Levin. They don't call you the great one for nothing, brother.
I am so honored on my two-year anniversary in the radio that you would call in the show. You gave me my start, man. I'd be nowhere without you. Thanks for doing it.
Danny B.
Two years, can you believe that? Two years? And I'll tell you what, you are fantastic, you are terrific.
And I want you to keep doing this. The nation needs you very, very much. And two years, no, it doesn't seem like two years does it?
No, it doesn't mark. It's the weirdest thing I said to the audience. You know, when you're younger, you know time dilation is real, you know, the time from first to third grade feels like it's 75 years. And then when you get older, you're like, my gosh, was that two years ago?
It's just the weirdest thing. I mean, it seems like yesterday and I want everyone to understand. Mark, this is, you're a humble guy, but I don't care, I don't for this segment is my show and you're gonna take this compliment and you're gonna like it. Dammit, this guy, folks took a shot on me when nobody else would.
Well, Sean was with me too, Sean's a good guy, He was always there for me. But Mark, Mark said to me. He said, Listen, you wanna fill in on my show? I'd filled in on a radio show like twice.
I didn't know what I'm doing. He's got one of the biggest radio shows in the cosmos. And you took a shot on me, brother, and look what happened? Now I'm here on the radio, too.
You know what, Dan, but Dan, it's more than that. Maybe I took a shot and so forth, but you know, you were running for office. My wonderful wife, your wonderful wife. We got to know each other. It was very obvious to me that you were a step above, many steps above.
A cop secret service, but also a guy that studied philosophy and market systems. And I would listen to you talk, even during your campaigns. You know, to be honest with you, you either have it or you don't. for radio or TV, you either have it or you don't.
You could be the smartest guy in the world and nobody wants to hear it, and you can be the dumbest guy in the world. There's a lot of them and they're out there, but really nobody wants to hear that either. So you've got great experience, you've got a great intellect.
I mean, you really do, you're so thoroughly well-read, and there's one other thing you're loyal as hell, and so am I, and that's very, very important to me.
It's important in the military, it's important among cops, but it's important, period. I come across people as you do, who wanna come on, they come on, talk about their. But next thing, you know, they're stabbing you in the back. It's like, what I see, Mark, you've felt it, it's all right.
And it's one of the most disturbing things in the conservative movement, this proclivity for some to attack at the slightest thing. A fellow conservative You know, it's crazy, Mark. The liberals don't do this. They'll have Rachel Maddow lie to them for five years about a fake pee-pee tape, five years. Imagine spending five years listening to Rachel Maddow about something that is fake. You wasted thousands of hours of your life and they don't care.
Conservatives, the second. Some of them not a, but a couple of them out there, they turn on their friends on a dime. I have been loyal to you from the beginning. And you know, Mark, one of the things I think people don't know about me or you is we don't agree on it. Nobody does. You have positions on things I don't share. Mark has never once been, Ah, screw that a-hole.
I'm not having a moment. Never, ever one time, and you will always be my buddy. I will never sell you out, I never sell my friends out. And you, you talk about loyal.
You are ferociously loyal, too, everything from books. Every time I've called you, Hey Mark, can you have me on for this? Bang Zoom done? You're a loyal guy too.
But Dan, here's the thing.
About you This is celebrating you and your two year anniversary. A lot of people do this and they don't make it for two years. You're normally number one in your market in your timeframe, and there's a reason for that because you connect with people. I think I do. Rush does, Sean does. It's very, very important.
In other words, the audience comes first, everything else is second, everything else is static. The company that we work for wonderful, but it can't interfere with us and our audience. Same with other people and same with other things.
The audience is key, that's what Rush taught me. The audience will stick with you if you stick with the audience. Don't underestimate the intelligence of the audience. And so forth, and so on. In conservative talk radio, generally, we don't.
We respect the audience, our audience is smarter than liberals. Why? Because it's easy to want things, it's easy to destroy things.
It's easy to talk in shibboleths and so forth, it's not so easy to think for yourself. Because the social pressures and the civil pressures are to go along. That's the left we Conservatives are, you talk about ferocious, we're ferociously independent.
We think for ourselves, therefore, a guy like you and me, or a Scalia and a Thomas. It's not a matter of where we end up, it's a matter of the thinking process. How do you get to that end? To promote liberty and so forth?
That's the bottom line.
Ah, so right, Mark, although you said it more eloquently than I, I say all the time, the why matters.
Why the left does what it does? It's not just good enough to come on the air. Yeah, the left sucks like we joke and we talk, but they do suck, like we get that, they suck.
Okay, great. But if you don't understand the why, the long running longitudinal narrative between actions makes no sense. Once you get the why and you understand the collectivist ideology mark, everything just falls into place. Nothing is confusing anymore, you see it?
Let me ask you a question, though, because you've got some big interviews coming up, huge interviews. Big shakeup in the race tonight, Governor DeSantis out in Florida, expected by just about everyone to jump into the race. It's at 6 p..m. tonight in Elon Musk's Twitter space.
Your thoughts on that? I mean, President Trump's got a loyal, loyal group of people, and you want to talk about loyalty. He's been ferociously loyal to me. Sent a beautiful message at the beginning of the show. But Governor DeSantis done an amazing job.
You know, you got a place in Florida, I live in Florida full time. It turned it around. Is this the guy who could shake up the race?
Well, you know, Ron DeSantis is the real deal. I think people need to understand. He's the real deal. He's the most conservative governor in modern history, not just today, in modern history.
And Dan? He fights the culture war, and even though Sununu and Christie and the others attacked him for fighting the culture war, he is. He's a warrior. And he fights that culture war. Whether it's Disney, whether it's the teacher unions and so forth. I live in a state in Virginia, we have Governor Youngkin, who I like very much.
But he doesn't do what Ron DESantis does, in other words, he says the same thing, he pretty much does the same thing. But our schools are still completely out of control in Loudoun County, which is where my other house is. Which is sort of the red line for all these battles and so forth.
DESantis is different now. Having said that, Trump was an amazing president, his policies were amazing, and they're trying to destroy him. They have their Democrat das, they have their hit man in Washington, D..C.
They have the media, it is non-stop. So for people like you and me, this is very offensive because if they succeed in that, then, you know, Desantis is next. In other words, this is a war on conservatives.
This is a war on our party, this is a war on what we believe. And if they can take out Trump, who fights like hell, like few people I've ever seen, they'll take out anybody. And you're starting to see their attacks on DESantis and so forth, which are really, you know, on Casey, Desantis is really low-down, loathsome type of attacks, and so forth.
And so we see that. So people wanna know, I'm sure what you and me, well, who do you endorse? Who do you know? First of all? I'm not allowed to endorse right now, I don't know.
I'm just not because I've been told you're not allowed to endorse now, but I can live with either of these guys. But I have to say, too, like you do, Donald Trump has been 100 with me and Ron DeSantis has been 100 with me.
So you tell me, who do we endorse? Yeah, yeah.
Listen, I'm behind President Trump, Mark, and I'll tell you why I agree with what you said.
But don't get me wrong, I love Trump too, and I wanna make it clear. Yeah, I wanna make it clear.
He's the front-runner. It puts us in a bad spot. Because someone said to me on Twitter, they said, Dan, you did an interview with Megyn Kelly, you called Ron DESantis a backbencher. I said, no such thing.
I said the opposite, I said. Unlike the Democrats, we have a gloriously good bench led by Ron DeSantis. This guy's like, it's like, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig, that's not calling him a backbencher like we have a bench.
What do the Democrats have? Pete Buttigieg and Kamala Harris? I mean, Mark, it's like, comically bad, it's like a motley crew of buffoons out there. I mean, we have a really bright future.
And I think DeSantis is out. I just I think President Trump deserves another shot. I mean, the Abraham Accords, regulatory reform.
I think he's gonna get, I think he's gonna get another shot. And you can see that there's a base of, you know, they say 25, it's not 25, it's over 40, it could be over 50%.
And it is a steady base, no matter what they throw at him. Because I'll tell you why a lot of people identify with Trump. I called him the blue collar billionaire and that's what he is. And so a lot of people say, if they can take him down, they can take me.
I just remember what my father once said. You know, I backed Ted Cruz against Trump long ago in the Republican primary. And he said to me, Why don't you get off Trump's ass? he said to me.
And I said, You know what pops? You're probably right. I told Trump this myself, but I don't think Trump is a more ferocious defender than me too. Because on this legal stuff, we've got a lot of phony formers who come out and talk. You know, lawyers, professors and the people who are going after Trump are diabolical.
Absolutely diabolical. And if I feel like I'm not a legal analyst, I'm an advocate, and these legal analysts, you know, they tiptoe around everything I believe as a lawyer, as a constitutionalist. No, I gotta fight for this man. Because what they're doing a hundred years from now, they're gonna write about what they were doing to Trump. How disgusting and outrageous it is.
And so we're not gonna be around a hundred years from now. We gotta fight this battle right now, it is a battle and we have to fight it right now.
And Mark, you called it from the start, you were probably not. probably you were. Because I remember that Mr. Potato head over formerly at CNN, who got fired. STELTer That rotting bag of cheetos. Yeah, I remember when you said, there's a FISa on Trump.
He's a conspiracy theorist, he's never apologized to you for that. Ever you called that first, you were the first guy. I remember. I was at a gymnastics meet for my daughter listening to one of your appearances on Fox, and you nailed it.
Mark I only got two minutes, but we're talking to Mark Levin, the great one. But just an important issue regarding radio that you've been at the forefront, these threats to pull AM radios out of cars.
There's a tinge of this mark that's political, knowing that conservatives have dominated the platform. Your thoughts?
It's a hundred percent political, and you just saw Ford the other day say, Okay, we're not gonna do it. Which means the frequency really doesn't interfere with cars. Are you kidding me? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
And if people don't wanna listen to AM fine, but you don't make those decisions for them. You and I believe in choice, as much choice as possible, except when it comes to killing babies, you and I believe in choice. We should be able to listen and so forth. These corporatists if they're gonna just try and shut us down by taking us off radio. They will succeed in doing what the left has never succeeded in doing, and has tried a thousand times. Which is why I've been raising the flag on this firing away.
And it's not just them, it's Tesla, it's BMW, it's a few others. And notice how quiet so many on the left are about this because they think it's great.
Yeah, it's amazing. They'll throw binding and talk transgender kids stuff in the kids section of Target. But God forbid, you have that AM Radio, you can't have that mark only crazy people on AM Radio.
I don't go to target, I don't know what the hell's going on.
That's coming up next. I worked you into the segue, You always taught me a good host knows the ins and the outs, you said to me. If you can get in the show and out of the show and you can segue, you'll have mastered 90 of it. I learned everything from you.
Folks, you just heard greatness on the radio, the great one, Mark Levin, a friend, a loyal friend. Yeah, you're gonna take it. You're a humble guy, but it is Mark, you are a great man. I'm so honored on my two-year anniversary that the guest was you.
Thank you my good friend.
I love you buddy, you take care of yourself.
Love you too, pal. Thanks man, you got it. Mark Levin. Folks wouldn't be here without him.
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