#2016 - Patrick Bet-David

Yeah.

It's not like. you're, you know, running for governor or you need to start raising money now. So what's this all about? So that clip, uh, the ad I saw for two days of Newsome, that kind of made me think, I remember, um, four years ago, I don't know if you remember this event. That's four years ago.

And Joe Biden's not on Instagram at all. So he's not on Instagram. He's not doing anything. All of a sudden, every Joe, you know, Joseph Biden, he's on Joe Biden's on Instagram. And I put a comment, first.

comment, all this means is he's running. Okay. This is pre him, announcing that he's going to run. Right. And I'm bone.

Cause. what's Joe Biden going to do on Instagram? You know, put a picture of who is, you know, what he's doing. pictures with Hunter, pictures with his seventh granddaughter. You know, you're not, you're not gonna know what he's going to put up there.

Right. So when you see signs with Newsome doing that, there's something there, you know, with, uh, uh, whether these guys are planning for taking them out, I had Chris Como on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. And one of the things I remember during COVID, I don't know if you remember this every day we would see Andrew Como every day. And the conversation was, this guy's going to be the next president. Look how presidential he is.

You know, the, the, the vast difference between two guys from New York, one acts presidential. The other one doesn't. If Andrew ran today, he would be the president. And every day, you know, you go on Facebook, he's doing his thing. He's eating.

And then, uh, okay. Maybe this guy's going to do it. And he's on the show, always with Chris, and they're doing their stuff. And I'm like, okay, maybe this is going to happen. And then, all of a sudden, his own party chose to eliminate him because he couldn't be controlled.

So the, the thing about the democratic party, sometimes it could be both sides. Uh, I think if they choose to eliminate Biden, it's going to be two, three, four stories on what they're going to say. He's choosing to step away due to health. You know, my wife and I had a conversation, Jill, we're going to spend more time with the grandkids. Uh, and if he doesn't do it, then they're going to come out and they're going to say, listen, man, we got a lot of dirt on you, bro.

You got to kind of step away. If you want to protect your legacy or 81, we're going to have somebody else come in here. Notice, Newsome's been edifying you and propping you up, and Newsome trashes the Santas and he's edifying you. This is a way of Newsome to come out. if he thinks, cause I think Newsome thought it's going to be him and the Santas because the Santas has camp maybe thought he's going to fall out.

Trump's going to drop out. And Newsome's maybe thinking about that as well. And then, so Newsome's going to come out and say, look, you know, the sentence is not loyal. How do you trust a man that wasn't loyal to the guy that helped him become a governor without Trump?

It depends on how far the Republicans pursue this and how much traction they get. But the massive amount of corruption that's available, I feel like if this was Trump that was in office, every single newspaper would be talking about it nonstop. They'd be screaming for him to be removed from office.

All I'm saying is, if Newsom shows that he's being respectful of Biden, because what is your theory of why DeSantis is not having momentum? What do you think about when you think about DeSantis? He can't compete with Trump.

DeSantis can't do that. I mean, he did a great job with Florida and people loved his position as a governor in Florida, but I feel like he's fucking that up.

And not only does it not work, but it kind of hardens their position that he's being targeted. And that these are like the actions of a banana republic. You take your political rival and you arrest him. And specifically, you charge him with things that you're fucking guilty of. Like the documents, like the classified documents.

Biden's guilty of the exact same issue.

You were performing and it was UFC, all of it combined together. I think DeSantis was there watching, right? I think he came to the show. Did you and him ever talk about him getting on the show or no?

Here's what I'll tell you from my experience with his camp, which is kind of weird for me. So everybody you speak to from Vivek's camp, RFK's camp, Trump's camp, like this, they get back to you. They'll just get back to you. Here's what's going on. Here's where we are.

Every time you try to get a hold of anybody from DeSantis' camp, good luck. And, by the way, it doesn't matter if it's like, you know, we go and we meet with them in Tallahassee. And I sit down and I meet him and his wife, Casey, rock star. Casey's something else. And DeSantis is a genius when it comes down to policies and all that stuff, but maybe not a marketer.

Whether it's Christina, whether it's this. other guy calls me the other day saying, hey, they're telling me you're having a hard time getting a hold of us. I said, no, no, we're not having a hard time getting a hold of anybody. You guys call, but you never call back afterwards about doing something together. So then that gets me to think, now all the interviews that he's doing with people, the first question everyone's asking is, why do you think your rating is so low?

Why do you think you had to do this? Why do you think you had to do that? I think their marketing mistake was big, not coming out the gates early on. And they're suffering the consequences because he has to now answer the question he doesn't want to answer constantly. So I don't know.

You know, then the other conversation is, is this guy ever going to be able to be a president? Is that ever going to happen? Is he, you know, marketable enough to do that? No one knows. But I think their marketing team screwed up.

Or imagine your handlers, people that are your handlers, okay? If they come, if I go to your handler and I say, Hey, here's what we like to do something with Joe. Let's just say you and I have never had any interaction together. I'd like to pitch Joe X, Y, Z, show or do this. Okay.

He says, let me get back to you. If they're professionals, there's one of two things that happens. One, he comes up to you. If he doesn't get back to me, my interpretation is Joe's not interested. Right.

Or they forgot to follow up. Okay. Because they're so busy. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they forget to follow up. But if it happens three different camps, it's not the team.

You don't want to do a lot of these tough, long form interviews. So I don't know. This is going to be a very interesting election cycle to see what will happen. I don't think a lot of people think Joe's going to be there at the end.

Nobody wants president Newsome either. Nobody believes in that guy. It's the guy's a fucking con man. I mean, everything he did in California, from trying to mandate vaccines for kids, what it was totally unnecessary to being caught out in public without a mask and lying about the fact that he was outdoors.

Same thing with RFK jr. Whether you believe that he's correct about vaccines or whether you believe his policies would be effective. And you know, that's a human being. With Newsome, you've got like this. construct, this, this cardboard cutout of a person.

It's just, I don't think people want that, but they might want it more than they want president Trump. And that's where we got Joe Biden. We didn't get Joe Biden because Joe Biden's amazing. Joe Biden's been a goof his whole fucking career. He's always been a goof.

He's always been, he's been caught lying so many times. He's so full of shit. There's so much evidence that he's corrupt, just undeniable evidence of corruption and the stuff with him and his son. And then the guy who just testified that was business partners with, with Hunter, who talked about all the different things that Joe was involved with. Yeah.

It's fucking undeniable. And the fact that they, that mainstream news is ignoring this, except for right-wing media. It's fucking crazy. Yeah.

We got to figure something out and you got to step away and we're going to protect your legacy. Netflix has already agreed to do a massive four part series document documentary on your life. And we got you a $30 million deal with Simon and Schuster. Okay. And outside of that, you're good.

You're scored away. You're going to get this award. You're going to get that award and your wife's going to get this and you're going to get this and you don't have to worry about pardon all this, but you got to step away. That person's going to make the phone call, especially to the people. When you're part of the establishment, that person can't make the phone call to the anti anti-establishment people, but that person can make the phone call to the establishment people.

And he's full-blown establishment. 50 years. If you want to, you know, 60 years to Newsome thing is a little bit interesting. I think Newsome is 10 times more marketable than bite. When Newsome went on.

Hannity, I don't know if you saw it or not. Most people said Newsome one. Oh, my God. It was, he did a very good job, representing himself as a politician. First of all, what, what you're doing is you're going in enemy territory.

Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity is a Trump guy. So you're willing to go to anybody and you go to him. You didn't go to somebody. that's a little safer. You went straight to him.

And afterwards, everyone's like, you know, Newsome showed up, he did this, he did that. So if Newsome takes a page out of Trump's playbook to go against opposition, he shows strength. Democrats are just going to get behind somebody and they got a behemoth of a machine to start talking about why he's such a hero, why he's such a this, you know, why he's so noble. So, uh, you know, the other part, Joe, that, uh, RFK is, uh, confusing. A lot of these guys, RFK and Vivek, what are the two guys doing?

They're going on podcasts.

So I think this could be the first case study, um, where mainstream media for an election, this could be the last one, where they have a little bit of an advantage. I think it's about to be done for them.

You can, if you have like something very complicated to discuss, you need to let someone talk without any interruption. And then there needs to be some back and forth. that takes time. It takes a long time for someone to clearly establish when you're talking about the facts of a very important piece of policy or a very important situation that's going on in America. Let's say the border crisis.

You can't talk about the border crisis in five minutes. It's super complicated. You can't talk about title 42 in 40 minutes. You can't talk about any of these things in a short amount of time. You need hours.

You need to be able to expand for hours and not be interrupted by commercial breaks, but they're hampered by that model. It's always going to be. And then they're also hampered by the fact that you don't get individual, unique voices and perspectives. You get narrative driven, policy driven, ideologically driven hosts who are, they're contained by whatever system that they're a part of. They're contained by their executives and the producers and the people behind the scenes.

And they only have so much leeway for opinion. We saw that with Tucker. Tucker ventured outside of that. And he, he had a podcast voice on network television. So you had a guy that was saying what he believed about the intelligence agencies, about the FBI's interference into the, the protests of the Capitol, about Pfizer and Moderna and what they've done with the drugs, about the lab leak, about Anthony Fauci, about all these different things.

Like he essentially was treating network television like a podcast, and with great success, the number one guy on TV. That's right. And they kicked him off. They kicked him off at the top of the heap, which is just madness.

Do you say, I think this guy wants to be a billionaire. That's one, two. Do you get the vibe from Tucker's like, look, I just want to do podcasts, be left alone. I don't want to work for anybody. I want to do my own thing.

And that's it. Or three, do you get the vibes from Tucker that Tucker wants to be a Netanyahu, a Churchill, a guy that is, you know, journalists that's been debating. Everybody has been reading every issue for the last 20, 30 years. He was, went through the phase of Jon Stewart, sitting there on crossfire when he had a bow tie on trying to bully him. And then he comes out and crushes everybody.

Tucker does. What do you think is his play? You think it's billions? You think it's just being left alone and let me love my life. Or you think it's actually, maybe he wants to make a run for 2028..

I don't know. if he has any aspirations about that. Do you,

Like, if he decided to run for president, like, say, if Trump, let's just make a scenario. Trump wins in 2024.. He has four years. If Tucker went to run in 2028, he could win. He really could win, because it would be kind of carrying those policies, but also he's a sort of a no nonsense guy who exposes bullshit, you know, pretty humorous way and a very insightful and biting way.

And that's what he was really good at on his television show. Yeah. And he red pilled a lot of left-wing people. There's a lot of left-wing people during the pandemic. That's a Tucker Carlson's, a propagandist and he's a piece of shit and as a right-wing asshole.

And then, as time went on, they're like, he's saying a lot of shit. That's right. Like, why are they locking these tests? Why are they making kids wear masks? Like, is there any science to it?

You know, there's actually a science that just came out recently, that said, wearing an N 95 mask for more than an hour a day is actually bad for you. Yeah. Like you could get health problems from wearing one of those fucking things.

I don't know if you saw that or not. Yeah.

Like what the fuck are they doing? Well, they had one idea, and that idea was make sure that people get vaccinated and anything that takes away from that, including thymosin, thymosin is a peptide that people were using to help battle COVID. Well, they made it illegal. They banned thymosin, which is there's no negative effects of thymosin. There's no peer reviewed data that shows dangerous.

Meanwhile, fentanyl, still legal. You can still get, they're not stopping fentanyl. It's not legal, but it's not like. they're not stopping opiates. They're not stopping all these things that we know absolutely do kill people and absolutely do cause harm, and absolutely are addictive.

They're not going out of their way to get rid of that.

It's probably not going to be your style to going to want, you know, go on Newsmax or Fox or CNN to give a 10, five minute answer that you give. America doesn't want that anymore. Right. And a lot of these guys that have these TV shows for them to go from there to doing a podcast, they think it's easy. It's not for everybody.

You know, you're used to reading a teleprompter. Hey, so, earlier today at 6 PM, you know, Devin Archer did this, right. But Tucker is comfortable there. Right. You know, when he did the Iowa event with the blaze, and he's up there interviewing everybody, boom, you know, he goes after ISIS.

So, you know, now that you know everything that you know, uh, did you take the COVID vaccine? and how do you feel about the decision? Right. And he says, did you take any of the vaccine? No.

Mike Pence. Hey, so, you know, now that you're this, you know, what do you think about that? Well, I'm glad you're paying attention that I'm running. Yes. But how about this?

Right. Yeah. One by one by one by one. That is very scary. It's not a duplicatable skillset for a guy like him to do Tucker.

But the key is, is this guy going to get the itch? because at the turning point USA event with Charlie Kirk, afterwards, I'm asking everybody. And I want to know who stole the show, you know, like UFC fights, the guy, Hey, $50 bonus. You're going to give that's. maybe it's not the main card, but it's someone that steals a show.

Okay.

It was 60, 40 Trump, 60, 40 Tucker. Yeah. So it's like Tucker's coming into, you know, but, but the part that he's not doing right now is, which I think is going to work in his favor. He's not going in there saying, I'm not running this time around. You know, he comes out and says in 2028.

and imagine if a, let's just say Trump wins and he runs 2028 and Trump's endorsing him. I mean, he could be in office for eight years. He could.

You're you, if you run against Trump, you're now the enemy of Trump. If I was friends with DeSantis, I'd be like, don't do it. You can't beat that guy. You just can't. When that guy gets out there and he's waving to people and they're going crazy, you're not beating that.

There's a fucking, and the fact that he was the president for four years and the country was in a great economic situation and it looked like his policies were actually effective, and that it looked like the unemployment was down. All business was building. Regulations were being relaxed. More things were getting done. You know, when you look at it from a policy perspective, if you just look at it on paper, what he did was effective.

A lot of people think it was effective. You don't like him as a personality. So ignore that. Don't do that. Look at it in terms of a policy perspective.

People liked the ideas that he was putting forward. And now you're sitting like, Oh, the wall is raised. Now that the fucking, everybody thinks there needs to be a wall. Even the mayor of New York city is now calling to stop immigration into a city. And he, this was a guy that called it for it to be a sanctuary state.

When the reality of what your policies, what, what kind of actions you put forth, what, what the results of that are and those results are highly negative. You're forced to sort of recollect, recollect your thoughts and come up with a new perspective. And that's what the mayor of New York city is doing right now. When you just look at what Trump's policies were, and then obviously COVID hits, there's a lot to that. The lockdowns, the, the economic collapse, all the shit that came with that, that all, none of that is good.

And then Trump holds up this like hope to bring us back to where we were when he was in office. You're not going to beat that. I don't think they're going to beat that. I don't, I don't think. when you look at the Russia collusion, when you look at the steel dossier, when you look at all the bullshit they tried to throw at him, that we now know is bullshit, not just bullshit, but coordinated bullshit.

When you look at the fact that they suppressed these Hunter Biden laptop story and that 51 intelligence agency representatives signed off on that. to say that this was Russian disinformation, which we know they know, is not true. That's scary, because now you have the intelligence agencies colluding to keep a guy from being president that was president during a time where the country was thriving economically. This is, you're not going to beat that guy.

And it appears under Trump, the president has a lot more power than we think they do. But under Biden is like, he's handled, like he's just out there talking, and the real problem is Donald Trump, Donald Trump, what he's done is terrible. He turned off. It's all nonsense. It's like everyone's treating him with kid gloves because they don't want to prop up Trump.

They don't want to go after him, because it'll weaken the democratic party.

Okay, good. That's good.

it would be interesting to hear his perspective on a lot of things. I would like to know what is it like when you actually get into office? I would like to know things like what, what is it like versus perception? What is it actually like when you get in that building? Like what, what, what are you greeted with?

When do you know that people are fucking with you? When do you know that the intelligence agency is lying to you? Like when you decided to fire Comey, what was the thought? How much did you know? Like what, what's the machine like?

What is, what is the deep state really like? really like, because we have all these, you know, smoky room perceptions like from the bill Hicks joke, or they show you the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before. You know, what is the machine that runs this country? Cause it's very clear that it's not as simple as elected representatives that are doing the will of the people. It's not.

Yeah.

And you said, look, I thought you were this. I thought you were that. I thought you were this. And then, boom, you do the interview. And people are like, well, I kind of like this guy.

You know, I kind of like what he's doing. And he's been out to getting whatever number he's at right now, 15, 16, 17%. I think, if you think about the most complicated, misunderstood person in our generation, let's just say, if we say the last 30 years, where would you put Trump as the most misunderstood, complicated person that we've had in America in the last 30 years?

And he was a traitor and he's really in the pocket of Russia. And that was the steel dossier. They had information on him. Hookers are peeing on him. By the way, if he really did have a party and the hookers are peeing on him and all that crazy, you really think that that would hurt him?

I said, listen, can you imagine 10 years ago, Joe Rogan saying he's going to vote Republican or he's going to vote for Trump, or even six years ago, him saying that, right? Can you imagine Elon Musk saying that six years ago, seven years ago, um, both of them left the state, California. That's a bad look for Newsome. It's not a good thing. You're here.

He's here. Uh, I know, right now, Elon's kind of playing the card of San Francisco. We're not going to leave. We're not going to do this because Twitter X, all that stuff. Great.

That's a complete different position he's taken, but what, what is the power? What is the power of a, uh, a, a Musk or a you all of a sudden saying, yeah, I'm not voting for Joe Biden, but I would consider voting for Trump. What does that do? See? that's the stuff that I don't think we know the case study of, yet.

We don't know what the impact is. A lot of people, when you talk or Joe Biden, people, you know, both sides can be pretty delusional. A, a, a percentage of them can be delusional. Joe Biden's a great guy. What are you talking about?

Family guy, great father, you know, all this stuff is fantastic. He's just sweet. He's loving. He's caring. He doesn't have a temper.

That's just the right wing people that are doing that stuff. It's a Q. and on top of people that are saying that. Okay. Then there's a people that say stuff about Trump and they'll defend at all costs.

Perfect. The question becomes, uh, with Trump statistics, if that New York post article, the tweet was out and they didn't block it, would you have still voted for? no way? So Trump would have been president. Yes.

Okay. If, and this is asking liberals, if there was no COVID, would you have still voted for Trump? Well, forget about it. If there's no COVID, Trump's getting reelected. Okay, great.

All these ifs that you go with, if, if, if, if, if it's all. yes, Trump, yes, Trump, yes, Trump, two terms. So now, today, there is a group of people, Joe, that are Republicans, who are, who are convinced Trump can't win. They don't believe he can win. They're convinced, believe it or not.

They don't think this guy can win. Okay. And these are not like,

you're jumping off a bridge, right? It's going to be half nominee. Who's going to come out and be a nominee? who, you know, Vivek is kind of playing his cards in a way of being a VP. And he saw what Trump said the other day, Trump said, you know, I'm going to watch everybody to see who's going to fight that.

Maybe I'm picking my vice president. What is he saying? I'm not going to be on the debate stage. Right. Right.

So when you see some of this stuff, so I don't know, there's a part where you think it's going to be a sweep and he's going to come in and win, like 44 states, like Reagan beat Carter, something like that. that could happen, which is like a underdog type of a situation. or the Dems have to move very quickly, but I don't think they have a lot of time. I think they've got 30 days to move.

Yeah. And we know that there's some irregularities, uh, all that, that carry Lake stuff in Arizona that they're trying to dismiss. It doesn't look like that's invalid. It looks like there's real fraud there. It looks like there's some real shenanigans there.

At the very least, there was voting machines that weren't working properly. And it seems very suspicious that a lot of them were in Republican areas. There's a lot of shenanigans. There's a, and I think there's coordinated efforts to make sure that certain people get elected. I don't know how far they go, but I know it's not zero.

You can always go back to the Dewey thing, you know, Chicago, John F. Kennedy, they thought they needed it. So they got 7,000 dead people to vote all the, and then later on, they're like, we never need it in the first place. That's right. That's right.

All of that. So, uh, but then today, so this is where my skepticism comes in. This is where I get paranoid. As a Middle Eastern, we're naturally paranoid by nature. We don't trust a lot of things, but this is the skepticism.

So TSA, November of 2001,. Bush introduces us to TSA prior to November, 2001.. There was no TSA. You walk to the gate. Family could come and see you at the gate and wait for you.

No, moving forward is TSA today. If you go through TSA, all you do is give it the ID. Boom, boom. You don't even show the ticket. Go in.

Right. Okay. So why is it racist to do that when you're voting? Right. So that, that a logical person, I can see a Democrat defending that, knowing it's an edge for the other side.

strategically. I get it. If you understand what I'm saying, I can see you saying that. No, I don't think that's fair for us to do. Hey guys, let's pull the racist card.

This is going to be big for these guys. Totally get it. But to the independent or the reasonable Democrat that's sitting there saying some of the stuff you guys are doing, I'm not part of this camp. I'm a JFK Democrat. Let's just say, right, right.

Those guys are sitting there saying, I'm sorry, what? You just took my idea at TSA. I'm going on a flight to New York. You don't want to take my ID for voting. You don't want to do that.

Right. You can check my eyes when I'm going to work, to sign into work, and you go in there and go like this. Okay, great. He signed in at eight 58.. Great.

You don't want to do that for voting. You can't do some of that.

So they had implemented new rules. at the same time. They were trying to take away ID for voting. Taking away ID for voting makes zero sense. First of all, the idea that it's racist.

Are you saying that some races are bad at getting IDs? Like, what are you saying? Like what? shouldn't you just make it easier for them to get IDs than make it so that no one needs an ID? That makes no sense.

And also, at the same time, you'd have to be suspicious that they're allowing a massive amount of illegal immigrants into this country constantly, daily. And you're supposing that those people are going to vote on your side if they don't need IDs to vote. I mean, that is, that's the suspicion, right?

All these, they're sending their worst, they're rapists. They're doing, they're raping a woman. Okay. And then he went after a couple of different people. You know, Obama ran on, you know, freedom, or forward, or whatever the dream.

Okay. Carter ran on human rights. Everybody runs on something. If they run on dream dreamers, you know, let's legalize the dreamers that are here. Again, you got to give the Dems credit, leave the border open, let them come in 2024..

We convert these guys to voters. We just got 2 million new voters, right? Say 90%, vote our side, say 80%, vote our sides. You know, I think the Hispanic vote is 64% democratic. right now, 36, you know, 36 is either independent.

or, you know, a Republican African-American is still between 88 to 94%, 88 to 94% votes democratic. Okay. So if they can convert that, that's another edge for them. But for me, the fraud, voter fraud thing, if you're hesitant to want to check IDs, it's just, it's like a parent talking to their kids. So where were you last night?

What time did you come home? Oh, dad, you know, I had a, you know, something happened at a flat tire. Oh, you did? Yeah. Who changed it?

Oh, my friend changed it. with which tire? I've had flat tires before. Right. And you kind of watching your son bullshit.

and you're like, I was 14 before guy. Yeah. I was 16.. I know what you're doing. I'm not a dummy.

So when the government does stuff like that, the people that are sitting there paranoid, they're like, why would you have a problem with this? The level of hypocrisy hurts them. So the climate change argument, for example, you know, well, we have to be worried about the future of our kids. You know, what, what about this? Nothing is more important, Joe, than white supremacist and climate change, nothing.

And I'm like, really white. Yeah. Climate change is dangerous. You see what's going to happen. So, Greta Thunberg, I don't know if you saw that video.

Well, she's a kid. Yeah. But again, she, she fooled a lot of people, though. My girl's got 6 million followers on Twitter. Is that fooling people?

Not really. She's a, she's a useful idiot, though. Yeah. Well,

It's the same reason why Dylan Mulvaney interviewed Biden when he, when he had been a woman for 320 days, or whatever the fuck it was. What a sweetheart. Yeah. That's the same thing. It's like you're using influencers in this very bizarre way.

That's called being straight. Yeah. It's, it's called autogynephilia. And you just wear a Halloween costume. Yeah.

Well, it's, well, it's, you know,

So, so, and I asked him a question where I say, so, let me ask you, how good are you at giving blowjobs? And he looks at me like, kind of a fricking question. is that he says, I'm sorry. And I said, yeah, how good are you at giving it? He says, no.

I said, when you were 11 years old, did anybody teach you how to give one? No. Why would they teach me that? That's what they're teaching in schools right now, in many different places. Oh, they're not doing that.

They're not doing, there's no way they're doing that.

It's okay. You should learn about this at an early age. How do you feel about that?

That's terrific. What my concern with is that a lot of what we're seeing with like New Jersey had an uptick in kids identifying as non-binary by 4,000%. Like. it's not natural. These are not normal numbers.

And I think children are very malleable. They're very impressionable. And if you reward them for certain kinds of behavior, if they are praised and cherished for certain types of behavior, I think they'll be encouraged to do that. And I think you're seeing with a lot of these detransitioners that a lot of these kids got encouraged early and got put on hormone blockers and hormones and got mastectomies and got castrated. And now they have deep regret and people don't want to acknowledge that.

And they attack those people. They attack those detransitioners. We have always, always thought that young children are not capable of making life-changing decisions at an early age. That's why we don't allow seven-year-olds to get tattooed. And now, all of a sudden, you're allowing seven-year-olds to say that I am a girl or I'm a boy, cut off my breasts and put me on testosterone.

That's craziness.

Look, there's cult-like thinking in both the right and on the left.

You're inclusive. You know, this, this is what they're doing. And that, that has an effect on people. psychologically. I think you should allow people to be who they are, and you should be open to people being who they are, no matter what it is, but to encourage them to go in a specific direction.

I think that's, there's real repercussions for that. And I think you're seeing that with these detransitioners.

Hey, what do you think about voting this way? And one of your friends, this guy, feels like I have to agree with a hundred percent of what Joe says. Cause it's Joe. Joe's my boy. Joe said this, Joe, you're running on 100%.

Right. And then you got one of your friends like, I don't know if I agree with you, man. I think it's this, this, this, and you're having a debate. Do you think there's a part of the political party where they feel like, just because I'm a Democrat, I have to agree with a hundred percent of what everything they're pitching me?

And you know, I've had conversations with those people, particularly when I was in LA. And when you confront them with facts, they're in denial. First of all, they don't know the facts. They're in denial about it. They think that what you're saying is propaganda.

The way you're saying is it's right wing bullshit and conspiracy theories. You know, I remember when I first started talking to Jordan Peterson about that bill, what is it? C-16 that's up in Canada. That is a hate speech law that, that mandates you using whatever the person's preferred pronouns are. And at that point there were like 48 different preferred pronouns that were going to mandate and people like, why are you concentrating on that?

This is something that exists in colleges. This is not something in, in your world. Like. why, why is that of concern to you? because people graduate from college and they take these ideas they've been indoctrinated with, and then they enter into the workforce.

and that's what we're seeing. And that's what killed Bud Light. That's literally what killed Bud Light, that they tried to enforce these ideas that they had been ingrained with in, in these educational institutions. And then they tried to put it out there in the world.

Okay.

55, you're going to be 56. from your experience at this age, when did you and I care the most about what people thought? What age were you when we cared the most about what people thought? When I was a kid. Okay.

Fair enough. Okay. So how little do you give a shit about what people think about you today?

Um, do you think he cares more at 42 years old? What I think about him less,

The statistic traditionalists 0.8% are gay boomers,

2.6%. Then it goes to five points, something. Then it goes 10%. Is it really 10%? Oh yeah.

Gen Z's right now is 21%.

You know, this is like, you know, it's kind of versus the traditionalist dude. If I'm like 72 years old and I'm gay, guess what? I'm coming out. Right. I mean like, Hey man, I am, what do you want to do about it?

I'm going to go and hang out with Jose over here and leave me alone. Leave me alone. Do what you got to do. So I think, you know, we're truly messing up with a generation that really cares about what other people think and we're screwing them up in a big way.

Uh, and it's going to take us a decade or two to see the results of this.

And it's just, the whole thing is just very spooky, because people are making life changing decisions. Now. that does, does that mean that I'm anti-trans? Not at all. If you're a grown adult and you feel like that's going to make you happy, I'm with, I fully support your ability as a grown adult to do whatever you want, as long as it's not hurting anyone else.

that makes you happy. Sure. That makes you happy. I don't know what makes you happy. If that makes you happy.

I, I am a freedom person. I believe you should have freedom, do whatever you want. However, I do think that there's an indoctrination aspect to this. And I do think there's a social contagion aspect to this. And that's what Abigail Schreier has documented.

And that a lot of these girls that are coming out, they're doing in these clusters of girls, and a lot of them are autistic. A lot of them are, you know, they're on a spectrum and they don't feel like they fit in anyway. When they give them testosterone, a lot of times there's an alleviation of anxiety that comes with testosterone and the euphoria that comes with that. And they say, okay, this is who I've meant to be, which is so crazy? that introducing a foreign substance into your body, or at least a substance that your body does not naturally have at masculine doses.

And that you're introducing that to a feminine body and then saying, this is who I naturally am. That's crazy. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Biologically, scientifically, it doesn't make sense.

Your mind is in a developing state. There's like real documentation about that. I also think you can't tell kids what to do because they're going to do the opposite of what you tell them to do. You know, what I tell my kids is there are drugs that are very dangerous, and you should be very careful about. drugs are dangerous.

Don't take drinks from someone that you don't know. Don't ever take a pill. Don't ever, don't ever snort something. Never do something where you don't know where it's coming from. There's drugs that are non-toxic and not dangerous and are not going to kill you ever.

And you should know which ones they are. And you should know which ones can kill you. And especially today with fentanyl overdoses, those videos,

And so then, just like during the prohibition, where propped up the organized crime in America, you're propping up the organized crime. and, uh, well, it's in Mexico, but it's also China where they're bringing in the fentanyl. They're bringing in the precursors. You have an illegal business and a business that is overwhelmingly used in this country. I mean, there's so many people that use drugs and they have to get these drugs.

How do they get them? They get them illegally. The only way to fix that is to regulate drugs, is to make them legal and to make, make sure they're clean and pure and have treatment centers and have addiction centers and have places where people can go. There are a bunch of different ways that people can be treated that have addictions. Those, those methods are often illegal too.

Like Ibogaine, that's a big one. People that take Ibogaine have a massive, they're like the statistics about people that have had serious addictions to pills and alcohol and all sorts of other things that go on these Ibogaine retreats. The amount of people that get cured of that is huge. It's huge. It's bigger than anything else that we have yet.

It's illegal. I think they should institute that in this country. They should do it with people that know how to run these centers and know how to treat people with real counseling, and then educate people on the dangers of these substances that are now legal, but tax them and use that money to fund treatment centers. Use that money for education. but what you're going to do is take out the legs of organized crime if you do that.

Will it become a national thing? There was a time nobody thought marijuana was going to be legal, but today nobody cares about, you know, the lead marijuana is legal or not.

Are you looking for somebody that can, you know, be in charge, lead cannot be controlled as a somewhat of an anti-establishment personality that can do their part. What's more important to you at this phase of your life?

What is it? What's different from what you expected? What I'm, what I would want is someone who's not controlled and influenced by special interests in money. Is that even possible? I don't know.

I don't know, but there's certainly, there's an extent in which they can be controlled, and, you know, with Biden, I think it's just unchecked. I think it's just 100% controlled. with Trump. I don't think he was very controlled at all. And I think that was why he was the enemy of the intelligence agencies.

He was actively going after them and fired Comey and, you know, made all these statements about the deep state and the swamp. That that's a real concern. Unchecked power is terrifying and unchecked power that goes around our bill of rights and our constitution, because they're actively trying to infringe upon people's freedom of speech, because it inhibits their financial gains. That's scary shit. And that's what we're seeing in this country.

And I don't think that ever leads to anything good. I don't think there's ever a justification. There's. the thing that makes this country amazing is freedom. It's a giant factor in why there's so much innovation and art and creativity that comes out of this country is freedom.

As soon as you inhibit that, whether you're inhibited with social media posts about COVID or whether it's the Hunter Biden laptop, or you're stopping the flow of information because it's, it's uncomfortable and inconvenient for what you're trying to do. That's on America. And the more we can stop that, the more president can stop that, the better it is for everybody.

In my opinion, of someone who's better than us, who's running the country. This is a guy who's like very educated, very articulate, brilliant guy, lawyer. And the way he speaks is presidential. The way he holds himself as presidential. He doesn't get overly emotional.

He's not attacking people. It's like I trusted that he was a Statesman. He, he was a shining example of the best of us. Now, when you look at the policies and the attacks on whistleblowers and the, you know, the drone strikes and all the other shit that, that happened during that administration and the, the coup and Russia, and like, fuck, there's a lot or in Ukraine, rather, there's a lot that's from a foreign policy perspective. It's very similar to what George Bush was doing, but what they were doing was highlighting social justice issues.

And that, that came about during his administration. And it, a lot, a largely obscured the fact that the foreign policies were very similar to what George Bush was doing.

But then you have to think like, did this guy take the vaccine? Did he have a heart attack? I mean, there's people that he's involved in rigorous exercise.

We know that's not true. We know you don't know that it definitely wasn't the vaccine, especially right after the kid has a heart attack. Unless you are his physician, unless you are doing MRIs on him, unless you find out there's some congenital heart issue that existed from birth. And so you can clearly say this was the problem. You can't say that.

It's just propaganda.

Okay. Obviously, this is a one in a billion chance, but I'm just saying, okay. So if that happens, okay. He comes home. Wife is dead.

Son is dead. The shooter is dead. Let's just say, okay. In that moment. And he's a proud.

second amendment NRA member for 30 years. He's a 52 year old guy. Let's just say, okay.

When everybody's gone and he's by himself, does he sit there and say, man, if I didn't have that gun and I told my 14 year old son that it's going to be above the whatever kitchen, he would have never pulled the gun out. He wouldn't have shot his mom and the shooter wouldn't have shot him. They would have been here today. You know what? For the rest of my life, I don't believe we should have guns in house.

Let's just say that philosophically changes the person's opinion. And you and I, we don't know this guy. We're at dinner and we have a second amendment debate. Okay. And all of a sudden he's like getting emotional.

No one should own a gun. Dude, what is wrong with this guy? What do you mean? You should own it. So my freedom is, this is, that's nobody should, because you never know what's going to happen.

And finally, like, can we ask you why you're saying this? And then he walks away and then his friend says, here's what happened to him. Look, okay. I don't want to debate this guy. I got it.

That's a life changing deal, right? At what point does an event needs to happen in an area of your life that you fully agree with to say, dude, I don't care. This doesn't make sense. I have to get to the bottom of this. Did my son have a heart attack because of the vaccine that we took?

Or is it politics? More than I may be wrong.

It should be a personal choice, especially now that we know that it's not just ineffective, but it can also be dangerous for a lot of people. We, we know that they lied about the studies. We know that they were deceptive. We know that they're covering up the data. Yeah.

Right. But I said, let me tell you what I think of Joe. Here's what I see of Joe, of following him. And you know, you and I have had dinner three, four or five times together, some like that, but we haven't like, hung out, hung out to really know of each other. Maybe we've spent 20 hours to get a total.

I know a couple of times we're in, you know, Jackson, we had dinner till four or five o'clock in the morning. that in itself, we had some good times together. But I said, I think he's going to interview Trump. Why do you think he will? I said, because Joe's level of maturity is such a level that he's comfortable to say, yeah, I changed my mind.

I want to talk to the guy. Okay. Most people can't do that, because a level of ego stubbornness that we have, we're just not going to do it right now. No, never, never. I'm never going to do it.

There's no one. Okay. So Kyrie is in LeBron's ear. Kyrie doesn't want to take the vaccine. They don't let the guy play, you know, the whole New York, you know, New Jersey, Brooklyn nets or whatever.

It was like, why would you keep Stephen A. Smith coming up? This should get rid of them. This man, shame on him. $19 million.

You should take the vaccine. It's not the responsible. And, you know, Stephen A is the spokesperson for ESPN. So boom, Stephen, a, maybe a sane, what his job is. And that's maybe what he believes in.

But, but I think what's going to happen is when a guy like you, who I would say pre 2016,, 2017, maybe even pre 2019, most of your listeners, percentage wise, I don't know if this data is out there or not. But I would say most of them would be libertarian. If we were to put, you know, right, center, left, whatever. I would say, most of your audience until 2019 was probably center left is what I would put it. Now.

you could dispute, disagree, whatever. I'm just giving my opinion. Okay. Okay.

For the guy that said marijuana should be legal for the guy that was in documentaries. You were in documentaries talking about, you know, what is this? And you're giving your argument. And everyone kind of, kind of makes sense. You know, maybe we should make this legal.

You all of a sudden like, yeah, no, I'm not with the guys. for years. I was like, vaccine is what we saw. It saves so many lives and I'm not with it. And then you went on the offensive and then they went and brought old clips from you.

Cause you're a target. And then they spend nearly $300 million of marketing dollars. You know what I'm saying? When I say $300 million of all the shit. they talked about you, they didn't even know what they did.

They made you the guy and it's game over. They screwed up on the way they approached the enemy. Where I'm going with this, Joe, is.

If this happens to the wrong person, where to them, it's not politics over knowing the truth, the shit's over. And if it's somebody that's part of their camp, you can't all of a sudden say, well, LeBron doesn't know what he's talking about. He's not a doctor, you know? Yeah. That person doesn't know what they're talking about.

They're going to try to demonize them, undermine them, whatever they're going to do with that person right there. But eventually I believe it's going to happen to somebody who was pro vaccine, who took the shots, who made a decision as a family for their kids to take it. And some is going to happen and they're going to say, I'm sorry, I have to find out for the rest of my life. What's going on? Kind of like RFK has to find out.

No, no. What would you guys do to my dad?

right? Do you know who he is? Pull up his Twitter,

his entire Twitter.

I think these types of guys move, move the needle because you have to talk about them. When Bill Gates is at Australian open and he can't, Djokovic cannot play because he suspended due to COVID or whatever. And then the next time he comes and he wins, he wins in front of Bill Gates. That's redemption for a lot of people that said, Hey dude, you took one of the, you know, grand slams away from this guy. He should have one or two other grand slams.

So I think there's gotta be, you know, uh, like, for example, you know, your podcast, who listens to your podcast? You know, who listens to your podcast, but you don't really don't know who listens to your podcast. Joe, think about it like, okay, does LeBron listen to your podcast? Is he listening right now when this goes live? And is he sitting there talking to his wife?

What do you think about? Joe says is Kyrie sending this text to LeBron and saying, LeBron watched a clip from hour and 28 minutes to whatever. And look what Joe and PBD are talking about. This is what I was telling you about. There's certain people that watch your podcast that can't tell anybody that they watch your podcast.

Right. And those guys are mainstream type of people that watch the podcast. I don't obviously get the messages you get, but I'm sure celebrities text you and they say, or DM you and say, Hey, I'm agreeing with you, but please don't tell anybody. we're on the same page. But I can't because it's going to risk my da, da, da, da.

Like. I said, man, you know what you want to do. You need Joe. If what you want to do that. But the point is when those guys flip, that's problematic.

That's scary. Shit. That these are the people that we trust our lives to. And when, you know, if you have a child that got vaccine injured and you worry that your child has myocarditis, now their lifespan is shortened. They might be dead in 10 years.

That's fucking terrifying. Especially when you consider the fact that they tried to mandated for kids, when they knew that this wasn't deadly for kids. And they also knew that it didn't stop transmission. They knew it. That's right.

They knew it. Didn't stop transmission. It was all lies.

You know, that clip where the guy,

Okay. Um, when I think about RFK, you know, what makes it very appealing with RFK is sometimes you're, you're meeting people for the first interaction, two, three, four, five. You're like, I don't know if I'm fully there with this guy yet, but let me see. Right. RFK.

I had him on the podcast three years ago during COVID. We got a strike. We got another strike. They took it down. We got multiple strikes as of RFK three years ago.

And I'm like, I don't know if this guy's a true believer. I don't know if he's just kind of saying this stuff. just to say this stuff. One night, we're in Dallas. Dallas is a conservative state.

You know, Texas is a conservative place and Dallas, some would say, is more conservative than any of the other cities in Texas. Our kids are going to a Christian school. My wife comes to me and she says, babe, the kids got to get their vaccines. I said, what are you talking about, babe? We're going to Christian school.

You can get exemption. No, we can't. That's bullshit. Yeah. I'm telling you, you can.

Our first two, three, first two kids got all of them. Our third one, we're like, I don't know about that. Okay. So my oldest is 11, nine, seven, two. So go to 2020, whatever, 2023 years.

So it's eight, you know, six, you know, four. And my last one isn't born Brooklyn. And I'm like, babe, there's no way. this is no, babe. I'm telling you, they're telling me I need an exception.

You know, I need to go out there and get the vaccines. It's a, but we're not doing that, babe. I text RFK. It's 11 o'clock. My time I'm in Dallas.

He's East coast. I don't know where he's at. at the time. I took, Hey, Robert, question for you. I know it's late.

Maybe you'll call me tomorrow. Uh, they're forcing our kids to get the vaccines here. And our kids go to a private school and it's a private Christian school. And we're kind of surprised. Is this true?

30 seconds later, he calls me. I'm like, I was not expecting the call, right? I pick up the call. I'm like, babe. Hey, Robert, it's my wife.

And I hear right next to each other. Oh, Hey. And he starts going, they can't do this. Let me see what I can do. He three ways.

Another lady in 45 minutes later, he's furious. That they still have to take it. And he is still saying, I will think twice before I do something like this for your kid. We get off the phone at this point, it's midnight. Okay.

I sit there and I said, there is no camera here. It's not like you're doing this to have a show where other people are going to be like, Oh, this guy's this, that guy's this. I told you. And I said, babe, this guy's a hundred percent true believer. Right?

So his father, they kill his dad. They kill his uncle. How long are you going to spend time thinking about that? When he did the interview with news nation and just said, look, this drug thing is a real deal. at 28 years old.

When my dad died, I dealt with 14 years of being addicted to drugs. And he openly talked to him. I'm like, what a noble guy to talk the way he did. Right. I, I called him.

I said, I just wanted to, you know, your town hall. would, you know, news nation was unbelievable. He says, man, brother, thank you for the car. I needed it. And he goes his way.

The true believers, I think, are going to wake up, but for some of these true believers that potentially could have a contract with China, potentially could have their business being affected. They have to privately make a decision between one of two things. And this is what anybody else being around, they have to sit there and say, what's more important to you, investigating what they did to your kid or to your mom, or to you or your wife, or you're buying over a contract that you're going to get with China or Hollywood or this, what are you going to do? That is a coward's play. If you don't do anything about it for the rest of your life, publicly, you can act as tough as you want.

You can go to all the parties you want, but every time you look at your mirror and you're in the car by yourself and you're shaving, you're going to be like, listen, man, I know you're a coward. Yeah. That battle. I think. in the next six, 12, 24 months, I think some major names are going to come out and shock the shit out of a lot of people.

I'm hopeful that that happens.

They were literally talking about, there's a video of him talking about remedies for the, the AIDS crisis when they were talking about AZT. And he says, it's the only thing that's available because it's both safe and effective. The only thing that's both safe and effective. The fact that he was able to say that about AZT, which is an out and out lie. That killed untold thousands of people.

That was a cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped using because it was killing people quicker than cancer, was killing people. And they started using it on people with HIV and started using a chemotherapy medication where you would take it permanently, which doesn't exist in any other chemo. And it killed everybody who took it.

That's why they went after me for taking ivermectin, because I got over it quick, because I took this medication and I took monoclonal antibodies and IV vitamins, and I was better in three days. And so they had to attack me as being a fool for taking veterinary medicine. But the problem is that's such a checkers move because anybody could go, is this really veterinary medicine? And they look at it and go, oh no, it's on the world health organization list of essential medicines. Oh no, the guy won the Nobel prize who created it for use in human beings.

Oh no, it actually shows that it stops viral replication in vitro. There's all this evidence. There's more than a hundred random controlled trials on it. It's like the fact that they demonize that one particular medicine, there's only one reason to do that. And that one reason was because that was going to get in the way of the emergency use.

authorization of COVID-19 vaccines.

Do you think, do you think we're eventually going to find out what Fauci really did? You think it's eventually going to come out while he's alive? I know, I know, we know, I know, we know, but I don't know if it's a mainstream enough yet where, you know, the average person who took it as saying, shit, I should have never taken it.

I mean, Ice Cube, they, they told them they had to get vaccinated for a $9 million movie. And he's like, nope, nope, not going to do it.

I'm trying to distance myself as much as from Hollywood, not in a bad way. I just don't want that life. I want a simple life. I want this, I want that, you know, more and more people are kind of starting to see, you know, the trend of what is going on, but I still don't think, Joe, enough people are out for given a, you know, a conclusive evidence that we know for a fact, no, this is what happened. You know, this is what happened.

I think it's like the JFK assassination, where it's what percentage of people you think the government was involved for JFK assassination, you know, 64%, 67% used to be 22%. No, the government didn't do it. No. Like we're at the, uh, what do you call it? The restaurant we were at a minute ago, capital grill.

And I see LBJ's picture there, right in front of the restaurant. I'm like, I didn't know LBJ. Cause in capital growth, the way they do it is each capital growth you go to, they have paintings of people from that city. So I'm like, I didn't know. I thought LBJ is from Dallas.

So I Googled, you know, capital, you know, LBJ. he's from Austin. Okay.

So, till today, was he behind it? You know, it was Jack Ruby and this guy, and you know, the videos. and this came out and that came out. and who was being, they do Warren commission. You know what happened here?

67%, 64% think it was the government being behind it, but we don't know a hundred percent, you know, Fauci. Yeah. I think as time goes by, more people are going to say, man, this was a show. You guys are a fraud. You hurt millions of people, but is it going to be public coming out, telling us what happened?

I mean, the closest you get is like where I talked about Dr. Lita, when on CNN saying that she think that the actual vaccine death rate, 30%, you don't see those talking heads. buck that narrative. Cause there's no benefit in it. They could just gloss over it and continue to do what they do and not lose the respect of the people that watch.

But there's going to be a certain amount of people. If they say we were wrong, we were wrong. And this is a real problem, but the difference between real journalism and corporate sponsored mainstream journalism is huge. There's a, we used to have real journalism where people would do investigative journalism and get to the heart of things, find out what the problem is, post these things. Then everyone would know, Oh, this has been exposed.

But now you have places like the New York times that are involved in propaganda. The people that we've always trusted, they're they'll, they'll bullshit Washington post for bullshit. MSNBC is a pure propaganda network. CNN is largely propaganda. They like.

when that, the Archer testimony the other day that you were talking about, who's covering that? Who's covering that? I was covering this groundbreaking thing where it's like, holy shit.

And he knew we had business dealings.

It goes, is that a ghost artist? Oh, you know, like, can you imagine? it's Hunter hiding, hiring a artist who does it, but he's really doing it. And he's given that guy like five grand.

If you go fishing all the time, you're a fisherman, you know, are you a fisherman? I'm a fisherman. I like fishing. You know what I'm saying? Like.

he's an artist. Like, is this something that he's pursued and gotten really good? It's totally possible to be a crack head who's really into hookers and also be an artist. So I mean, that's like common. Like.

look at Bukowski, great poet, fucking maniac, alcoholic, psychopath. Yeah.

If you, if you Google this, what percentage of art sold is fraud? You would see a number 65 to 74%, 65 to 70, something percent of art is.

He's not healthy. He says, can I come? There's this kid that admires you. He wants to show you the art to see if you think his work is good. He goes to Pablo, shows him the art.

Pablo says, yeah, it's okay. He said, well, great. I'll go tell him that. But before I leave, do you mind if I take a picture with you? So they take a picture with them.

Okay. Then Pablo dies. Now you have Pablo's last art that he did. So this is the kind of stuff that there is a lot of gamesmanship in art, collectible cards, right? For the longest time, cards, people were selling fake cards.

There were prints, reprints. Some of them did a good job. Some of them didn't. People were falling for it or they would cut the edges with a, you know, scissor and the corners would get better because it was shitty before. And like, instead of selling it for 500 bucks, now they're selling it for $1,200..

Instead of $20, you're paying 124, right? That happened in cards until PSA showed up or BVG or BGS or Beckett showed up. Now there's a grading service. Art is going through that as well. But for me, I don't know if there's such thing as, you know, ghost artist, you know,

There's literally a person who painted that painting. Most of that painting was done by one person who replicated the style that Leonardo da Vinci did when they, when they restored.

I'm interested in art, but I'm not interested in art because it's valuable. I'm interested in art because I like it. Like, Ooh, I like that piece. That's interesting. Yeah, that's,

Yeah. So that's a, another, that's like someone that I found on Instagram. She's extremely talented. She does that with the, she has a very distinctive style. Oh, I can't believe that.

That's the Bourdain piece.

Yeah.