#2143 - Tulsi Gabbard
2024-05-01 02:39:43
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This is the second time we ever worked out together.
I know. I feel great.
It was awesome, right?
It was great.
It's a great way to get the day started.
It was perfect, actually.
We do these, the comedian boot camps. Today, we did it with Asan, and Derek, and Shane Gillis. We have fun. You get to work out, and you talk a lot of shit, and you get silly. That's the best part.
It's really fun. It's real silly. Yeah. We have a good time. Yeah.
Thanks for the invite.
Oh, my pleasure.
I've been on the road for, I don't know, for weeks. If you're lucky, you get a decent hotel gym, but you've got to be really creative. Yeah. Most of them, the best, they'll have our dumbbells, and that's it.
I just realized you're the second celebrity to do that with us, and the second Hawaiian.
Because The Rock did it. Samoan. There's something going on.
Samoan pride here.
Something going on with the Hawaiians coming here.
We'll have to figure out. Max Holloway is Hawaiian and Samoan, too.
He didn't work out, though. Max, last time he was here, he was just off of his win. Yeah.
He gets a break after that, man. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, it takes some time off, bro.
I was telling you, the sauna, I am definitely from the islands, because I'm okay with heat. So, 20 minutes in the sauna, it was good, it was challenging, but it was good. The cold, however.
That ice bath. I've done a quick polar plunge, briefly, jumping in, jumping out.
And that one was at the lowest setting in terms of the jets of water. So, what we have is called a blue cube, and blue cube is the type of cold plunge that has an engine in it that you can turn on to higher levels of waves. So, if you turn it to the highest level, it's just rushing at you like a river.
Is that better or worse? Horrible. Okay.
It's horrible, because you never develop a thermal barrier.
Okay.
All. cold water immersion is very good for you. It's good for cold. shock proteins, norepinephrine, mood stabilization, makes you feel better. All those things are good.
But the still cold is much more tolerable. I don't know what's better for you. See, that's the question. Is it just as good and more tolerable? Or is it better to suffer for the full three minutes?
Suffer more.
Is it proportional to the suffering is really the question, right?
I'm not sure if you suffer more, if you get more benefit, or if there's a point where you're actually hurting your body. Maybe there's a point, I mean, obviously, if you stay in the cold water too long, you'll die. That's what hypothermia is. But there's a level where, if you just get a few minutes in, it's really good for you. So, I don't know if it's better if you're miserable.
Yeah, right. I don't know.
But if you want to test your mind, that blue cube is the one to do. Because that sucker gets fast. That sucker gets like a river. So, you're just laying in there, and it's like shit.
An assault of cold water.
The moment it sucks, when you climb in, that moment never changes. That's the difference. Because in a regular cold plunge, after a while, you develop this thermal barrier. And even though it sucks, it only sucks like 80% of what it sucked when you first got in. Yeah.
With the blue cube, it's 100% sucked.
Every time.
Sucky, suck, suck, suck.
So, it sounds like you've got to try it at least once. Yeah. And figure it out.
Just doing it the way you did it for three minutes. Like I said, the first time I did it, I did it like a minute and 24 seconds.
I couldn't chicken out in front of all the guys. You know what I mean? When a son says, well, I did it three minutes to show up for the rocks, I'm not going to be the one who chickens out at a minute. That's not an option.
Well, you did it.
No, it was good.
We don't have a cold plunge. It's like, okay, I'm not going to go and find bags of ice every single day from 7-Eleven and dump in the bathtub. So, when I can, I just dump my face in ice cubes and water.
That's good, too. Yeah. That'll wake you up. All that stuff's good. There's some pretty recently priced options for coolers that you could actually do in a bathtub.
now. There's a bunch of different ways you could do it, but if you got the scratch, like one of these blue cubes or something similar. Morosco makes a really good one, too. They're really good.
I can see how the after feeling gets kind of addictive.
I'm sure someone will reach out to you and try to get you to use their shit.
It's very good, though. But it's also like the camaraderie, the fun. For sure. Have fun, listen to music, laugh a lot.
Exactly. Yeah, this is perfect.
Oh, and by the way, congratulations to the marijuana enjoyers of the world, because the DEA officially rescheduled marijuana. They're going to reschedule it to Schedule 3.. Wow. Which still, it shouldn't be illegal. Yes.
We know that. I agree. But baby steps. The fact that it's making progress at all, just shows the collective will of the people is being heard, at least somewhat.
I'm trying to remember who it was. Somebody was telling me that the decriminalization crew, they, gave an American flag made out of hemp to a member of Congress to fly above the Capitol, because it's a normal thing. I would get people when I was in Congress calling and saying, hey, my friend is retiring from the military from 30 years. Can you fly a flag in honor of him or her? And so you get a little certificate with it.
And there are many flags that go up and down every day that are given as gifts to people. So someone did it with a flag, American flag made out of hemp. And apparently it caused major problems within the DEA and within the administration, saying, how dare you? How could anyone allow this to happen? It made zero sense whatsoever.
But it just pointed to the backwards mindset and thinking and the sensitivity within the DEA and the government around cannabis, hemp, marijuana.
It just seems a massive lack of education, too. It's not as simple as you're thinking of it. in connection to marijuana. Hemp is a commodity that has existed forever. In fact, canvas that writers paint on, or that painters, artists paint on, the original word canvas came from cannabis.
It was made out of hemp. They made hemp paper as a better paper. They made hemp clothing. It's far superior to cotton. The only reason why they, this is where it gets weird.
There's a bunch of things that took place that took hemp away from being a common source of paper and clothing. But one of them was making slavery illegal. Because before they came out with the decorticator, the primary way they used to process hemp fiber was really painstaking. Because it's an incredible plant. It's a very light plant, but it's insanely durable.
Hemp clothing is so much more durable. I have a hemp jujitsu gi from Datsura. That sucker never rips. My cotton gis, they're good for like, you wear them for six months, a year. The shit starts going.
Even really strong, stable cotton threads start going. These hemp gis are invincible. It's crazy. Hemp paper is so difficult to tear. It's a completely different kind of paper.
It makes no sense. It's an amazing rope. It's like you could use it to make concrete. They make hemp, have you seen that?
Where they make houses with it? Yeah, my dad is a state senator in Hawaii. He's the chair of the agriculture committee. And for years, he's been the state's biggest advocate for hemp as an economic driver and to try to help revive agriculture in Hawaii. And so he's talked endlessly about the houses and just everything, all of the different benefits of hemp.
He's got some hemp, Aloha shirts and the whole deal. This thing that you're talking about, though, the federal government and the classification is the biggest barrier to this actually becoming a really viable and thriving industry in our country, because people are growing crops of hemp, but they've got to go through all of this crazy THC testing. And I've talked to people who are farmers and business, people who are investing in this, and they've had to throw entire crops away because of, I don't know the details about the testing, but it just, you know, one plus one doesn't equal two when you look at the reality of the benefits of hemp and the farming process and the concerns that they have within the DEA.
So is the concern, if it has any level of THC at all, becomes illegal, even if you're just processing it as a commodity and you're not using it?
Right, correct.
They understand it's very valuable as a commodity. It's so stupid. This whole thing is stupid because we're always concerned about, and rightly so, about cutting down forests to make paper. Well, guess what? Hemp paper, you can grow an entire, first of all, it's much more viable.
You have much more product. It's much more durable, and you can regrow it quick. It just grows right back again. Whereas trees, it takes years and years to grow them back. Hemp, you've got another season.
Okay, here's a hemp plant. It grows crazy fast, super light, super durable. You've just got to think about it as a commodity and stop connecting it to marijuana. And you're going, well, this is invaluable because this could solve a lot of our problems, especially with deforestation. And then, if you look at it for building materials, it's like, wait, this might be the greatest building material we can use.
It's incredible insulation. It's very durable and strong. And again, renewable, like instantaneously. It grows so quick.
Yeah, what's interesting, I mean, for us in Hawaii, I mean, tourism is the biggest economic driver we have. And every time there's, you know, in the post 9-11, when people weren't traveling so much during COVID, when everything shut down, businesses go out of business. Small businesses are driven out because if they don't have that driver. So the conversation always comes up about, okay, well, we've got to diversify our economy. And this is one of those areas that has huge potential for a small island state like ours in Hawaii.
And what's interesting is Mitch McConnell, I believe he's from Kentucky, their state is also a state that is promoting hemp as a major agriculture driver. So there's opportunity there, but it requires a lot more education from those both in the administration and in Congress, to actually take down those barriers and allow it to actually truly be an industry in America.
When we first started selling hemp protein on it, we used to have to get it from Canada. You can sell it in America. Can't grow it here. I was like, what? It's just food.
It's just hemp seeds. It's really good for you. It's full of amino acids and rich in protein. And they're like, no, can't grow it. That shit's illegal.
You know. what's nuts, too, is the military, people who are on active duty in the military, they can't put hemp seeds in their smoothie. They can't use any CBD bomb that you can buy at the freaking gas station, or anything at all, because...
CBD bomb?
Yeah, CBD bomb. Anything that has your energy drink, that has...
CBD? Kill Cliff?
Cannot. Not allowed. You could seriously get punished if you are caught.
Are they testing blood for CBD?
They're not testing blood for CBD.
So it's just illegal? So if you get caught with the product?
If you get caught with the product, correct. And their fear is like you're going to piss hot because you take random urinalysis tests and everything else. So I laughed. Again, it's lack of education. It's fear, and it's like, well, this is banned by the federal government, so the military must comply.
But at the same time, the guy within the army, the civilian, who was putting out this policy, he also said, you're not allowed to eat anything with poppy seeds. You can't eat a poppy seed muffin because you might piss hot.
Well, you will. You can go to Dubai. You go places where it's like seriously strict, Saudi Arabia, they'll test you for heroin. You'll test positive for heroin. Yeah, poppy seeds are rough.
That's a scary one. It's like, wait a minute, bagel poppy seeds? Those things make you piss hot for heroin?
Lemon poppy seed muffin?
Yeah, they tell you, if you go in for a drug test, do not eat poppy seeds before you go.
It's crazy.
Like what? Bagels. How bad is your test? That's the point. How bad is your test?
Technology, biology, like all this stuff, you guys can't get a better test?
Your test doesn't know that I just ate a bagel? This is so stupid. You're going to put somebody in a cage for eating a bagel?
Yeah, but like for a guy in the military, that could be the end of your freaking career. You could be kicked out for it.
And you get secondhand smoke, and you'll test positive. Those tests are probably pretty rough. Because people definitely get high from secondhand smoke. I've seen it happen before. I've seen sober.
people go into a room that's filled with pot, and everyone comes out like a little loopy, like you're breathing in the same air. You're breathing in pot air. I used to have a dog that I got. She was a stray, and she was a little prone to anxiety, as it is. And if she was in the room when people smoked pot, she would get high, and she'd get paranoid.
She'd start hiding under tables. I was like, oh, Lucy. Let's see what's that.
Not good. She didn't get the chill factor?
No. She was like, the world is dangerous. She used to live on the street.
Man.
I guess it's a good thing that they've scheduled it, schedule three. But for sure, forget about the drug part. They should be encouraging hemp production in this country. It's an amazing food source. Hemp has all of the essential amino acids.
It's very rich in protein. It's easily digestible. As far as plant-based protein, for me, it's my favorite one, and the easiest one to digest. It's just easy. It goes down smooth.
It's no problem at all. It's very good for you. And CBD is very good for you. But forget about all that. Just for a commodity, and for building, construction and clothing, the first draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp.
I've heard that.
Yeah. It was used for everything. It was used for ropes, for sailboats. They made sails out of it. All.
that's the canvas, that was all made out of cannabis. initially. It was all hemp.
It's just, I mean, I introduced legislation in Congress to deschedule it completely, because it shouldn't be.
The wildest thing is how it happened in the first place. The wildest thing how it happened in the first place.
was that they were canceling it. And so what happened was William Randolph Hearst, who owned Hearst Publications, he also owned not just newspapers, but he owned paper mills, and he owned forests. So he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper. Well, if they were going to transfer over to hemp, this is going to be very costly. And the cover of Popular Science Magazine in, I think it was 19,.
find out what year that cover was.
It was a billion dollar crop because they came up with a new machine and it was called a decorticator. And this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way. So it's this machine that grinds it up. And so once they do this, they go, oh boy, we've figured out, they've solved this problem of hemp, where it's very durable, but it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers.
And so it's the cover of Popular Science Magazine. Do they have the cover, so you can see what it says? Oh, just an article?
Oh, wow.
Popular Mechanics Magazine. I'm sorry.
So the article is from 1938.
. And so, when they come out with this, they talk about this new invention. See if you can find a photo of the decorticator, because it's like this grindy kind of thing. Is that what it looks like?
Yeah. So once they had this ability to really quickly turn it into fibers, then big industry starts getting involved. And what they start doing is they start making these stories and putting them in the newspaper about Mexicans and black people smoking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women. And marijuana was not pot. Marijuana was a wild Mexican tobacco.
It was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco. It had nothing to do with marijuana. So they started attaching this name to something and calling it a drug. because they knew that cannabis was so ubiquitous. And hemp as a commodity, everybody knew what it was good for.
Right. So they had to come up with some sneaky way to get it through. So they come up with the word marijuana. So marijuana was not a term for pot.
It was a term for this wild Mexican tobacco. And so when they started making marijuana illegal, Congress didn't even understand that it was the same thing as hemp. And so they had to come up with some sort of a tax stamp that you can have in order to grow hemp while marijuana is illegal. And then this is like right after Prohibition. So Prohibition ends, you got all these cops.
who come up with these dopey movies that are amazing to watch today. Have you ever seen Reefer Madness? It's crazy. It's like people smoking pot, just jumping out of windows and killing people.
Talk about some propaganda. Oh, it's the worst propaganda,
but it was really effective. Like this is it. I've got a few of these posters that I have them framed because these movies were insane.
and propaganda movies.
Lust, crime, sorrow, hate, shame, despair.
Find the movie. Find a clip from the movie Reefer Madness. We just watch it without playing it, but it was so nutty. And they scared everybody.
Like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
So understand that media has sucked forever. Yeah, exactly. Just understand that. So this is Reefer Madness.
So that dude on the piano,
out one's doors. Marijuana, the burning weed with its roots in hell.
Look at him. In this film, you will see the ease with which this vicious plant can be grown in your neighbor's yard, rolled into harmless looking cigarettes, hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case. In this startling film you will see dopesters lured children to destruction. We're going over to Joe's place. Why don't you come along?
We have a date to play instead of dubbing. Oh, you can play anytime. Come on, we'll have some laughs. Can I go along with you? Sure!
Hey, I'll see you at dinner, sis!
If you want a good smoke, try one of these.
He'll meet Bill.
who wants to pride in his strong will.
. ...as he takes the first step toward enslavement.
Enslavement. Here, Spray.
Smoking the soul-destroying reaper, they find a moment's pleasure, but at a terrible price.
Divorcery, violence, murder, poop. Wow.
Look, she's just going to jump out the window.
Oh, my gosh. Jeez.
Apparently, it makes you act terrible, too. Right. Terrible at acting.
Like this guy. Play faster.
She's actually playing pretty good for someone who's stoned. Yeah. You know? Imagine being hammered and trying to play that.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah. So this was the propaganda from, and what year was that, Jamie? 36.. Wow. So this is all, they're all trying to stop hemp as a commodity.
Wow. That's really what it's all about. Yeah. It's really not about the drug.
Isn't it fascinating just to see the repetition of the propaganda, information, warfare, to be able to serve a special interest.
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And it's ridiculous that it's always existed.
Fomenting fear. Yeah.
And that it was going on almost 100 years ago. And what's also important about it is, the problem with something like that is that now you don't trust the media, right? Now, if you don't trust the media, and then you go out and try it yourself, you don't have real, accurate information. Because now there's these narratives that have been created, that aren't based on truth. And so you don't know where to go.
You don't know what's real and what's not. And then you have people that tell you it's harmless. And then you have people tell you, meh. And there's people like me that go, meh. Because I'm like, it's not harmless.
Marijuana is not a harmless thing. You definitely shouldn't take it when you're young. And here's what's really important. Some people can't handle it for whatever reason. And it's most likely some biological thing, just like some people are allergic to aspirin or whatever.
There's some people, they don't mix well with that stuff. And there's a real connection between schizophrenia with some people that maybe are susceptible to schizophrenia. Alex Berenson wrote a great book about it, called Tell Your Children. It's very interesting because there's real instances of people taking high doses and getting schizophrenic. But if we're being lied to about it, no one knows what, who's going to give me the information?
Where's the truth coming out? Because if one group is saying that this is a schedule, one chemical and it's very dangerous, and then all your friends are just smoking weed and going to the movies. You're like, well, clearly, this is not that dangerous. Like jujitsu people and surfers, they're all getting high. Like, what's real here?
And because we don't have the ability to just honestly talk about things without everything getting so weird. And like the hemp thing, like having a hemp flag. Like this is a problem with the DEA. Hey guys, don't you have fentanyl to worry about? Why are you fucking with flags?
Seriously, it makes no sense.
There's only 10,000 DEA agents. I think there's 10,100. some DEA agents. You guys got time for flags? How many pounds of fentanyl is coming through that border while we're talking?
While you and I are talking, how much fentanyl is making it across in people's shoes and underwear? and where the fuck they're hiding it? No one's checking everybody.
No, it's true. And then, of course, all the medicinal qualities of CBD as well, and how many people and kids and just people are benefiting from that.
Well, Dave Foley told me that his arthritis was so bad that his fingers were kind of like locked in this position. He had a really hard time straightening them till he started taking CBD. And then he's like, it's so much better now. Just like my fingers have full range of motion. now.
I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains, and it actually helps some people with anxiety too, which is interesting.
The conflict here is, as you know, as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion, whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever, all these different levels, but because of the federal prohibition, essentially, you've got banking. It is a multi, I don't know, multi hundred million dollar industry, at least at this point. But in order to be able to conduct business with the bank, the bank and the business owner faces a potential federal charge of a crime. And so the second, third, fourth order of effects of this scheduling of cannabis is very, very far reaching and creating a worse problem, which is, okay, so we do this on the black market. Is this just become a cash industry, or where does this go?
Yeah, and the problem also is by having some states have it legal and some states have it illegal, then you still open up a market for illegal sales in the country. And what happens is the cartel comes in and they start growing it on public lands. I had a guy on the podcast, his name is John Norris, and he started off as a game warden. So he started off as a guy who's gonna check fishing licenses and stuff. And one day they find that a stream has been diverted and they're trying to figure out why, why the stream is dried up.
So they make their way up the stream and they find this irrigation system that's set up for an illegal marijuana grow up in the middle of public land in California. So then they develop a tactical team. So it goes from him being a game warden, now they have dogs and bulletproof vests, they're getting in shootouts with the cartel. So they're, because they're making millions of dollars, but they're using really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America. And they're just using that shit up there.
So who knows what the fuck you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot. Because when California changed the law and made marijuana legal recreationally, they made growing marijuana without a license, it's just a misdemeanor. So these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel, they're like, you have nothing to risk. You're just, it's a misdemeanor and we can make millions and millions of dollars. And so they have these guys up there, they have, like, you know, rosaries and all those like photos of Jesus and shit they find in campgrounds.
And they pay these guys to go out there, grow this stuff and then bring it out. Harvest it and bring it out. And they're selling it. He said that, I think, believe. John said at the time of our podcast, that 90% of all the marijuana that's being sold in the states where it's illegal is all from these grow ops.
A lot of them in California on public land by the cartels. 90%. 90..
That's huge.
Even good old fashioned American pot growing entrepreneurs, the illegal ones, they can't keep up with the cartel. And this is because it's illegal. And this is the same reason why fentanyl is coming in. The same reason, I mean, don't do heroin, kids, okay? But it should, if you keep everything illegal, you're gonna just prop up the government of these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it, because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless and is being propped up by Americans.
100%. 100%. 100%.
It's a rough thing to deal with, because we don't wanna say, oh, let's make all drugs legal. Because, my God, the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug overdose. So nobody wants kids to be doing drugs. But also, if you don't do that, you're just gonna empower our neighbors to the South, who happen to be drug dealers, some of them, and they're making billions of dollars selling drugs to America. And you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded history.
People are dying. There's 100,000 plus people every year that are dying from opiate overdoses, which is nuts. That's so much.
It's crazy that it's happening here in the United States of America.
And the thing is, this is where it's hard. It's happening because it's illegal, which sounds so counterintuitive.
The problem is, if it was legal, there would be a long period of time where it'd be really bad.
I think if it was legal, too many people would try it. that wouldn't try it.
Wouldn't have otherwise.
Yeah, they're not gonna go to a drug dealer. But if they can just go to CVS and buy heroin, like, let's see what the fuss is all about.
That's spooky. I think that this is the conversation that needs to be had, though. You know what I mean? I mean, it's the same thing about people unwilling to even discuss what is the right path? How do we handle this crisis that is a national crisis that's taking so many people's lives?
Tell people not to do it.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
It's like- I don't know how well that works out. That doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
We're in a weird spot.
I was in San Diego a few weeks ago. We went out kind of to film a little mini documentary about what's happening at the border in San Diego. There's a lot of attention being put on Texas and Arizona, but California's border is a whole different dynamic, both because they've got a long stretch of border where you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains, big open spaces, but then you've got the very dense urban corridor, I suppose, where people, whether they're coming in through the water or they're just coming across the border, where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly.
But there's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting. Number one is we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming. through. The numbers that are being reported, I think it's close to 9 million now, just over the course of the Biden administration. What I saw?
there were people coming in and we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world, illegal immigrants, and seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go, or they knew that Border Patrol was gonna pick them up. And, knowing that they will get processed, claim asylum, and most of them will be out with a plane ticket anywhere in the country within 24 hours. And so- That's crazy.
And I've talked to some of the Border Patrol agents and they're not allowed to say anything on the record, but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job.
What is the justification for the plane ticket?
They don't have the ability to house people where they are.
So just like-.
Where do you wanna go? Utah? Okay, here you go. Where do you wanna go? New York City?
And I went and I talked to a lot of them. I sat down and talked with people from Brazil, from Egypt, from Colombia, from Venezuela,
from different parts of Eastern Europe, people from all over the world, coming here with the known plan in this well-oiled machine. And I'm talking about this because it is very directed to the cartel, directly connected to the cartels who are being enabled in their multi-billion dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies, by the Biden administration's policies at the border, which is connected to their ability to move fentanyl and other drugs across the border. And so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and talking to people who were clearly, clearly.
extremely high on multiple drugs. And we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there who's just plain clothes. He's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there. But we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand. He seemed barely conscious, but he was engaging in a long conversation with us.
And I was asking him about fentanyl. And he's like, oh yeah, I take fentanyl sometimes, but I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep. I asked, like, aren't you afraid of not waking up? He's like, yeah, I've had a lot of friends who've died from fentanyl, but I know how much to take and I know how to manage it. And have you?
He's like, yeah, I almost died twice. And I was revived. But, and then asking him, the police officer asked him, what would it take to get you off the street? What would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help and to get off drugs? And he said, he's a 27 year old guy, nothing, nothing.
He said, there's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay.
And I want to live my life this way. It was so heartbreaking to see him. You know, his eyes were barely open and clearly in an altered state of mind. But even in that state, in this conversation,
how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped?
You can't.
It's the problem. I mean, you could talk to them. You could hope that they can get some information from you. that shifts the way they think about things, but the addiction gets so deep. And there's this thing that some addicts will say is that I feel better when I'm high, that it's the only time I feel good.
It's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high. And if you take that away, my life is terrible. And if you've been an addict for a long time, the longer you're an addict, in fact, the more that's true, right? Because the more your life is a wreck and then you're forced to deal with it. when you come off and you realize like, oh my God, I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict.
Like, what the fuck? How is this? And then now you're sober and your life is in shambles and you try to figure out. how did you go so wrong? And then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin.
You want to go back. You want to go back to that. And it's also. people get really scared of success. Even success in staying sober, they get scared of doing things well and they seek comfort in failure because they've become accustomed to failure.
So the pressure of doing well and of like staying sober and like keeping healthy, like it's almost too much. Just the maintaining, the psychological, the anxiety, all the fear that comes with failing, that you just want to fail, just so you could just feel comfortable again, because then you don't have to-.
There's no pressure.
Yeah, you don't have to deal with the pressure. It's scary. The human mind is so susceptible to so many different things, whether it's cults or addictions, or, I mean, we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of, like very strange things. And a lot of these things, I think a lot of the mental issues, are accentuated by social media. I think that they exacerbate them badly.
I think there's a lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are just killing themselves by being online all the time.
Yeah, I believe it.
I really do. I think it's terrible for you.
Yeah, I mean, it's so easy to get sucked into it.
It's so easy. And people that are like arguing with people constantly online, like, my God, what a terrible waste of time.
Yeah, when that becomes your reality, dealing with people and perceptions and measuring yourself against whatever you're seeing and all of it, and you slip out of the real world and building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations.
Yeah, the comparing too. The comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with. Exactly. And we're very, very fortunate because especially young girls today, and Jonathan Haidt's work on this has been really interesting. His book, The Coddling of the American Mind, is a great one.
And it's all about what you could see like exactly when social media is invented, all this self-harm and all the suicidal thoughts, suicidal ideation and suicide, all goes up for girls. And it's comparing themselves.
Doesn't surprise me. Yeah. Absolutely.
It's such a bizarre thing that a person can get super duper famous just dancing on an app that goes online, and then they make millions of dollars and they're like your age. And you're like, what's wrong with me? I'm a loser. You can't just live your life and hang out with your friends. Everyone is in constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist.
And then you add in the layer of AI onto that, where you have complete, you've got videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct.
Look at just that. People are paying to talk to them. There's this guy, they found this, they were doing this study on AI girlfriends, where people have like interactions with AI. This guy was spending $10,000 a month on his AI girlfriend.
Oh, my gosh.
ISIS could get that guy. They just gotta find him. If they just find that guy, they can talk that guy into anything. If you're willing to get an AI girlfriend 10,000 bucks a month, yeah, you'll join the Moonies. You'll be in, whatever comes along and grabs you, son.
You're vulnerable, they'll get you.
But that's, you. look at what's happening on college campuses across the country right now. It speaks exactly to that, that vulnerability of being manipulated or sold an ideology and then grabbing onto it as though you now have a sense of purpose.
Yeah, that's the problem. The sense of purpose is so attractive to people that there's so many kids that wanna be so righteous and they just wanna criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do. And so, you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine things on school campuses. I'm like, my God. Which brings me to, this is an interesting thought.
Like, what's your opinion on this potential TikTok ban?
I oppose it. I oppose it on the grounds of free speech and civil liberties. Speaking of fomenting fear, this is one of those pieces of legislation that's, if you just read the talking points for those who support it, and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle, you think like, oh my gosh, we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff. But when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does, it's not really about TikTok at all. It's about government being able to choose what platforms are acceptable and what are not, and what we, as Americans, are able to either get information from or put information out.
And then you look at, okay, well, if they're giving themselves that authority, how will it then be enforced? Then you get into the civil liberties concern of the Fourth Amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out, okay, well, now I'm gonna have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app. Then you're looking at the designation. is that if you have a 20% or more ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated?
by our government to be illegal because of its association with a foreign adversary, there are a few countries listed there, but the president would have the power to designate any other country a foreign adversary without any kind of, Congress wouldn't have to take action. It's a unilateral move. You are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary. And so, Elon Musk has talked about this. It is not outside of the realm of the not only possible, but the probable that if they wanted to say, okay, well, Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like.
and oh, he also owns this platform called X,
X should be shut down because of this association.
I think Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most, and I'm paraphrasing, but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberty since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9-11.
. And when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes, they are very eerily similar in invoking national security concerns. And the language and the way that's written is intentionally vague. that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch, just like the Patriot Act did, to single-handedly say, well, this is a good guy and this is a bad guy. And that has a direct implication on Americans.
And wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones?
Yes, yes. And both of these things were actually wrapped up into that same bill that was just passed through. They lumped together a whole bunch of different things. They were separate previously, but the thing that the TikTok ban was lumped together with was the bill that would reinstate or extend the FISA authorities, the Foreign Intelligence Security Act authorities, for another two years. Section 702 of FISA gives our government the authority to surveil foreign actors, essentially, to try to identify terrorist threats.
But part of that is they have the ability to capture all of the conversations. If you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in, they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen. And they can do this without a warrant. This has been in place for quite some time, but this legislation that was just passed recently expanded those authorities so they can go and actually look at your Wi-Fi history. If you're connected to Wi-Fi, they can look at everything that you did connected to that Wi-Fi signal and in some other ways.
It took an already bad problem and made it many, many times worse. And again, they're just saying, well, it's for national security. The problem here is-.
That's the thing they always say, though.
That's the thing they always say, and it's like,
I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said, if you are choosing security over liberty, you will neither be secure nor will you have liberty. That's not an actual quote, but that's basically the point here. And that's the false choice that so many of these politicians are forcing on the American people is you can either be less free and more safe, or you can be more free. and, oh, by the way, you're gonna invite more terrorist attacks or more national security incursions on our country. It's just BS.
It is BS.
It's also very un-American. It is. And here's the problem with government overreach. The government is just people.
Yeah.
That's the problem. Like, you know, if you thought of them as something other than a three-letter name, like DEA, CIA, NSA, just a bunch of people, you would go, well, why is this like the DEA? Why is this 10,000 people telling all these other people what to do? That sounds crazy. There's way more of them than there are of us.
If it was just in this room and Jamie turns out to be the cop and he says, hey, I'm gonna put you two in prison because I heard you like hemp. Yeah.
We'd be like, Jamie, fuck off.
That's crazy. But if it's a government agency with a three-letter name, you're like, oh, this is the government. The government is just human beings. And there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power. Rich people wanna get richer.
Hot people wanna get hotter. Like, that's what it is. You know, it's like everybody wants to improve. And the governments, they're in the business of telling you what to do and they wanna be better at that business. Yeah.
And the best way is to be able to like, constantly be able to surveil everything you say and do.
Right. And again, it goes- We shouldn't let them. No, and this is the problem. This is the problem is that, you know, every elected official swears an oath to support and defend the constitution. Yet, as we saw with this most recent example, they are so ready to undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the constitution in the name of national security.
And I know some of them are doing it with good intention, but without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are protected. You swear an oath to do this when you take this job, while also ensuring, okay, well, we can do both and we must do both. We can be safe and secure and also be able to live free, without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us. And then you add onto that what's happening now? where, you know, like January 6th, for example, I was working out in the gym, a Marine Corps gym in Hawaii.
down the street from our house, bumped into a guy who I met, it's a long story, but I met him when the Rocks stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo. And it's a whole ceremony. It was a seven-day thing. And so this other guy is Samoan. We met and became friends.
So I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14-year-old son. How's it going? This and that. He's like, oh, the FBI just came to my house out in Laie, a small rural community on the island of Oahu. I was like, what's going on?
He's like, yeah, they came and knocked on my door because he said, I took my son to go and witness democracy. So they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the Capitol and they didn't arrest him. They didn't charge him with anything. But how is it that, you know, years later, years later, they go and find this guy and his family in a rural Mormon community in Laie, in Hawaii. They're capturing all of the data of people whose cell phones were pinging within that vicinity during that period of time, not only on January 6th.
And they are continuing to widen that net, looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and all of this stuff. For what? You're gonna go, the FBI's gonna go and investigate people who showed up there, on the lawn, on the Capitol?
You look at what they're, and this is my thing. It is absolutely scare tactics. So we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons. We can see where even the best of intentions with some of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places. What to speak of the fact that we have limited resource and limited people.
Yeah.
What are they not investigating? You talked about the DEA. What about the FBI and all these millions of people are coming across our border? Are they tracking who they are? No, they're not.
Are they tracking where they're going? No, they're not. We have no idea. People coming from the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe and Venezuela, gang members. All of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes.
And they're going and knocking on my friend's door in Laie because he brought his 14-year-old son to Washington, D.
C. that week?
And here's the question. Was the FBI there? How many people were there? And how come they don't have to answer that? They don't say.
Why not be transparent?
Also, they should be there. Like, the government should be there, in case some shit goes sideways. Right? So I'm sure they're there. But are some of the agents not good?
Just like some dentists suck. Are some of the agents not good? And are some of the agents encouraging people to go in? Because that could be true, too. Because if we look at what happened with the governor of Michigan, right?
Was it Michigan? Or Minnesota? Michigan. That story is bonkers. When you find out, what was it, like, 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informants?
What? And these two dopes who just, like, just dumbasses. Like, ADIQ dumbasses.
They just get tricked into this fucking,
they cosplay and they go, wait, we're gonna kidnap her, definitely. We're gonna fucking get liberty.
They don't know what they're doing. They're stupid.
And those poor fucks have to go to jail. And the whole thing was scheduled and set up by FBI informants. Like, that seems crazy. Aren't there real problems? Instead of, like, creating problems and then arresting people for those problems, aren't there real problems going on?
And if there's not, like, you, guys, good at your job. We're trusting you.
And there are. Like, you know, I know, some great FBI agents and there are people who are doing good work.
Absolutely. I've met great FBI agents. Phenomenal. Nice people, good people, patriots.
Absolutely.
But they're like dentists. Some of them are great.
There, this is, I mean, it's just, you know, it's, you know, I can say this, it's the militaries and law enforcement. Like, yes, you are going to find those few, for sure. They are there. But with, so I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they've shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency, where there are people who are really, really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI. that's occurring by the heads.
And then there are others who are just like full send. We're on board. Let's go. And it's creating a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency.
I don't know if the agency, people get confused. Let's just say, it's probably some similar things going on there. But within the FBI, a lot of fear that you gotta watch what you say around, even your own colleagues and your own peers, because there are people who are on different sides, which is horrible. Like you, are on the side of America. You were on the side of the American people and upholding the rule of law and securing our country and going after the bad guys.
Well, when the bad guys now become your neighbor down the street, we're in a very different realm, a dangerous one.
It's just how it is with people. Red Sox fans hate Yankee fans. It's just like they're in the same country. You're gonna have conflict even inside the FBI. You're gonna have conflict in every group.
You're gonna have power struggles. You're either with Bob or you're not. If you wanna make it in this business, you wanna get to the top of this agency,
you gotta stay with Bob.
And Bob's fucking calling the shots. I'm on team Bob. Like, fuck, Mike. And then that's what happens with people. It happens in everything.
And you have people that go in with good intentions and they get corrupted by systems that are corrupt.
That's where for the, across, whether it's the FBI, the Department of Justice, all of these, it matters who's in charge. These are all civilian led organizations. They are political appointees. And in theory, they are the people who should be held accountable, but they are setting that tone.
Did you hear what AOC said? She said the people that are coming in to this country, most of them, it's because of climate change.
I didn't hear that one.
It's amazing. It is straight out of South Park. It's straight out of South Park.
Wow.
Like what? Yeah, I know.
I'm like waiting, like, oh, like, is there more?
Is the climate change more than I know? Do you know something I don't know? Like, what are you saying? Yeah. What's going on down there?
The best are those clips. I just saw one on Instagram the other day from like 1985, where a newscaster is, I think it might've even been black and white, and she's saying, the climate change. scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the earth is destroyed. 1992 is gonna be the year. And then whoever made this clip, they juxtaposed her clip with one from Bernie Sanders, saying the exact same thing, with a different date, you know, how many decades later.
And the problem is, when you fear monger, you distract people from the real issue. Yes. Like, what is really going on? Like, how bad are we fucking up the planet? You know, here's one that doesn't get discussed enough.
We've killed everything in the ocean. The ocean is depleted. What was the number, Jamie? Like 90% of the big fish are gone? Some crazy number like that.
Because of just, just imagine how psychotic it is to have a species that goes into another dimension that it's not a resident of, and uses nets and just takes everything it can get and catches a bunch of dolphins and shit in there that it doesn't want anyway, and they all die.
Exactly.
A new global study concludes that 90% of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century, in 50 years. So that's a cataclysm. That's a disaster of epic proportion when it comes to like ecology and when it comes to just the environment of the world itself. We're killing most, because we like sushi. We're killing most of what's in the ocean.
It's bananas. And so that is getting ignored, because everyone is talking about fossil fuels. And I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media. because there is a thing that you can do and nudge conversations in a certain way with bots and with fake statistics and with fear mongering. Meanwhile, China is opening hundreds of new coal power plants.
They're doubling down on coal. And I think through TikTok and through, probably, Facebook and YouTube and all these different things and Instagram, I'm sure, there's countless bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and find their way into your algorithm, and they affect the way people think about things. And guess what? If you go to Chinese TikTok, it's all academic accomplishments, martial arts demonstrations, science achievements, and you can't go on after 10 p.m. Right.
In middle America, it's dudes with fake eyelashes reading stories to toddlers. Exactly. And it's everybody telling you the ocean's gonna boil.
Yeah.
It's weird. It's Osama Bin Laden's letter to America.
Yeah.
The letter to America thing was wild, too, where everybody was like, wow, you knew Osama Bin Laden had a point.
Oh my gosh. I had a dinner the other night with a family. It was during the holiday of Passover. And this question came up about what would happen if another 9-11-style terrorist attack or some major incident like that came up in our country today? Would it have that same kind of unifying effect that occurred after that attack on 9-11??
And when you look at things like that, like the Osama Bin Laden letter, and you look at how there is, I mean, there's an entire, not an entire generation, but there's a lot of people now who, I wouldn't be surprised if they said, well, you know, such an attack was justified, and not have that same kind of sense of unity, of like, hey, no matter our differences, we gotta stand together as Americans. And that should be a serious concern.
It should be a serious concern, also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are. And when you have a situation like October 7th in Israel, I saw within days, before Israel did what they did in Palestine, within days, I saw people justifying the attacks on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians. I'm like, hey, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy to say that you think people should be indiscriminately shot and killed and just in mass at a fucking rave, like paratrooping.
And you think that's okay because of what Israel's done. But guess what? Those people didn't do that. Those people at the rave, and those people that are on the border, those are apparently, according to Ari, those are the hippies. They're the ones who wanna be, they're the ones who don't believe that we should be there.
Don't believe in borders.
Yeah, they don't believe in borders. They wanna be close to the Palestinians.
Right, exactly. And that's where some of the things that they're chanting at, that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones, we hope that October 7th happens 10,000 times over, they say, celebrating Hamas, this islamist terrorist organization. It is, it's,
I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid. You know what I mean? These kids are going to Ivy League schools. They are being absolutely manipulated. And there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged in this example by these radical islamist groups like Hamas.
And they had planned this, they've been doing this for hundreds of years, and they're using technology, and they're using other means to be able to achieve that end.
No doubt, as is Russia, as is China. They've infiltrated universities. You know, the famous Yuri Bezmenov speech from 1984, which is crazy when you hear it today, because he called it. He knew it was gonna happen, and it's happening, and it's happening from college campuses outward. So the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the youngest, they don't have jobs and real world experience.
They don't have, they don't, they're young. They have ideologies, they're a little bit unrealistic, and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on campus, where you're trying to be the most radical, like, oh, he's so radically pro-Palestine, he's so hot. You know, and then that really becomes a thing. You become virtuous, and you become attractive. You become interesting without actually being interesting, just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now in vogue.
And that's really what it is. And I think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments. And there's a lot of evidence that points to it, and we should consider it as a possibility, and don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory. Consider it as a possibility. And so this is the question about things like TikTok, like, and Twitter, and all of them, all of them, because, I guarantee you, it's not just foreign countries, kids.
I guarantee you, there are people in this country that are using it. I know businesses do it. I know, I guarantee you, people do it to try to influence the way people think about things. And when you see posts, I've seen posts multiple times saying outrageous things. And I'll just, okay, let me click on this guy.
And it's usually some letters, and numbers, and a name, maybe, and a bunch of numbers. And then I click, and I'm really, oh, fake person. Just go through all this stuff. Yeah, it's all just retweeting inflammatory stuff, and it's just nutty, fucking crazy politic takes, and really aggressive takes on things. And like, wow, how many of them are there?
Yeah, there's no question that this is happening. And the social media algorithms are feeding it, and playing right into it, and in. our attention and our minds are the commodity.
100%. And if they can just trick you into buying some stuff along the way, that'd be great.
Exactly.
Who would have ever thought that your data would be so valuable? That's the thing about when you and I were younger, it meant nothing. Your data meant nothing. Like, what are you talking about, my data? These are my data.
What is that? Why would anybody be interested in that?
My first inclination that data meant something was I bought Dianetics. I bought that book in like 1994 when I first moved to Hollywood. And Scientology never stopped sending me things. They never stopped.
Like, we got one.
Yeah, I was like, oh, that's how they get you. And then they get you to join. I guess you have to give them a piece, give them a taste of what you're doing. Do you return the group?
Yeah, and so data now is responsible for the largest corporations in terms of, like, the amount of money. Like, think about Apple, how big Apple is, and how much data Apple has. And Apple's better with data than Android systems are, and Google's terrible with it. Like, with their data, it's just like,
they're just siphoning out your data. Yeah, and that's the fallacy, and that's kind of the falsehood of the argument for people who are pushing that TikTok ban bill is, if they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected, you gotta do it across the board. Yes. Because every single one of these social media or big tech companies collecting as much as they possibly can. And if you think they're not selling it to the highest bidder, whether they be an American company or a foreign company, of course they are.
This is their business model.
Wasn't there some controversy about one of the DNA companies, whether it's Ancestry or one of the other ones? There was. Where they sold their data to China?
I think so. I don't remember which one.
You sold everybody's genes? Like, I didn't know you could do that. I wouldn't have signed up for that. You could sell my genes to China? Like, if China was like offering free DNA tests.
Was it? No, they didn't sell it to China. Who'd they sell it to?
GlaxoSmithKline. Big Pharma. Ew, that's even scarier.
Well, who do they sell it to? They could sell it to anybody else too, right? 23andMe sells anonymous DNA to a drug company for 20 million.
That's not even that much. Oh, it's just anonymous, guys.
It's anonymous.
Yeah, of course.
Wasn't there one with China, though, with Ancestry?
Yeah, this is 23andMe. No, this is Ancestry. also. This is Ancestry as well? Interesting.
20 million dollars.
I remember something about China. I mean, I just typed in data sold, and that's what comes up. I might be on the wrong forums, though. I might be on some conspiratorial forums.
I might have gone too deep on the JFK rabbit hole the other night. This is what you said. Oh, okay, China, there it goes. Groundbreaking move that has sent shockwaves through the biotech industry, 23andMe, the leading personal geonomics and biotechnology companies, officially announced the sale of its entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing 10 billion dollars.
Wow.
Yeah, so that's the one I was looking for. I'll just add that that's only coming from a Medium article, not any other articles that are saying that. Jamie, why do you gotta fuck it up with facts?
I'm just trying to understand what's happening.
Jamie is on it.
Why you gotta fuck it up with facts? Yeah, who knows? But your data is extremely valuable, and that's weird, and it's also valuable to humans. It's humans selling other humans data, whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA, it's just a bunch of people, and if they don't have to follow the same rules that you follow, then we have real problems, and when you have entire groups of people that are dependent upon technology that's controlled almost entirely by one ideology, and then you let the government get involved, like they did with Twitter, and you see the Twitter files, you're like, oh Jesus, this is bad. You let the government have a back door, and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do and what not to do, and you were complying?
People were telling other people that they couldn't have experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about medical problems. You gotta stop this, stop those experts from talking, remove those posts, ban those people.
The government is saying that? Exactly, exactly, and even if they're not saying, hey, do this, or else, even if they're not making an explicit threat.
Just the fact you're getting requests from the government to do something about it.
Exactly, like what are you gonna do? The FBI is calling and saying like, hey, we'd really like you to do X, Y, or Z. In my mind, I'd be like, okay, what am I gonna be investigated for outside of this if I say no? Also. What are the consequences gonna be?
If you're a person working at Twitter, this is not you, they're not investigating you. They're investigating someone else, right? So if they're going in, they're talking about these posts, like, hey, this expert is spreading misinformation, and this is, they're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing. We need to stop this. Put a stop to this.
Like, why is the government being involved in a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical drug companies? Like, what are you doing? And how do you know? Did you guys adjudicate this? Did you guys get in front of a court?
Did you guys get in front of experts? Did people testify? Did you have someone who's pro and con this? Someone who lays out this argument? Did you examine this?
No, no, no, you didn't. No, you just contacted Twitter, and Twitter said, okay. Because, what are they gonna do? They're fucking executives. If you're working at Twitter, and it's old Twitter, and you're super woke, and you've just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room, then all of a sudden you get an email from the FBI, like, I don't wanna fuck up this job.
I got a cushy job. And you're like, okay, what do I have to do? Okay, I'll do that.
Yeah, exactly.
And so you do that, and that's not good. It's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people. They're just people. You could call them the FBI, and call them the DNA. They're human beings.
And human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a country that's supposed to value freedom, that in and of itself is un-American.
And that's where this isn't just like some rogue FBI agent doing this, or some rogue bureaucrat in an agency who's going and doing this. This is an expressed policy coming from the Biden administration in this example, to go and use big tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced. And obviously, we could talk all day about the cozy relationship that many politicians have with big pharma. And it's not a surprise that they're going to act in favor of big pharma rather than in favor of the truth, or free speech, or people's health and well-being. But the fact that this was and is the Biden administration's policy to decide that they are the arbiter of what is misinformation, disinformation, what is information, what is true, and what is not, and that they will use the tools available to them, both within the government as well as outside of the government, in the case of big tech and social media, to be able to enforce that.
And that's really the, for people who aren't paying attention to this stuff at home and are just trying to live their lives and go to work and take care of their kids and just live their life, it's easy to fall victim to like, well, the government wants what's best for us and they don't want us to be manipulated by misinformation or disinformation. And so this is the line that they use. Like, we're doing this for you. We're trying to protect you. So, once again, we're gonna take away some of your freedom and some of your privacy and tell you who you should be listening to and what information you should be getting.
The king knows. Yes.
The king will tell the people how to live. Yes.
This is how you wash.
This is coming from the same people who are telling us that boys can become girls on any day of the week because they feel like it.
Yeah, and Rachel Levine is the first female admiral. Exactly. Yay, women win.
Which is, and then they stand there and say, well, we are the champions for women, if they cannot even accept objective truth.
We're living in the strangest of strange times. And I also think that a lot of that stuff is being accentuated by social media, manipulated intentionally, because I think, if you can just get those narratives out there enough, that affects the gullible people, that affects sensitive people, that affects people on the spectrum, it affects a lot of people, and then they start getting rewarded for leaning into one type of ideology or another. And then it's affecting people. We are affected by our environment, and to pretend otherwise is just silly, especially when you're talking about young people. Young people are particularly susceptible to propaganda, which is why they have young people wear suicide vests.
That's why. You can't get a 50-year-old agnostic dude to wear a fucking suicide vest. He's gonna go, what am I gonna get when I blow up? I'm gonna go to heaven? Can you show me?
You got a video? Is there a YouTube video I can watch? What are you saying? But you could talk a five-year-old into it, and that's what they do, and that's sick. And it's just as sick to try to indoctrinate them into these crazy ideologies, because it's just people want other people to join their fucking team.
It's a common thing that people do.
That's what's so concerning about, we're seeing the fruits of the shift in our education system away from actually teaching about the Constitution and the founding documents and the Federalist Papers and the thought process behind, that, went into forming the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in our schools. Basic government, basic 101, on what is this country really about? What is the foundation that we were built upon? And what does it mean to you in your everyday life? And talking about the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment and going down the list, because that has been absent largely from our education system for so long, it creates, again, this vulnerability of young people being susceptible.
They're not rooted in an ideology of freedom and what that means in our lives and why it's important, and why we will fight to defend and protect it. And so then they're like, well, I don't know. Maybe what Hamas is offering is a superior ideology or a superior value system than what we have here in America, which a lot of these kids are saying. Whether they realize fully what it is or not, they are falling victim to that ideology, that radicalismist ideology, which would be completely oppressive in the lives that they are trying to live here.
Yeah, the whole proposal behind it is best highlighted by the meme, Queers for Palestine. Yes, exactly. And then Palestine for Queers. Exactly. The difference between, like.
that idea is so crazy. What you're saying is so nuts. Yes. And it's just this, fuck the system, fuck the government, fuck the patriarchy. It's this ideology that gets promoted.
It's like frivolously wanting to destroy the foundation of this country. Yes. And they'll say it openly. We wanna just stop colonialism. Okay, and then what?
Then what happens? What do you have? What do you have? Do you have warlords? What are you gonna have?
What's gonna run the country? How are you gonna run it? What are you gonna do with all the guns?
Well, that's where this, again, Hamas had this whole thing planned, like gaining the compassion and the sympathy of the world.
How did they plan that? How did they think that they were gonna do that?
That they knew how Israel would react, and they were ready, with social media and then all of the means of communication, to play on the sympathies of people, the compassion and kindhearted people around the world, and turn people's attention away from the 1,200 people that were murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on October 7th. Their goal being, ultimately, to influence populations around the world towards this Islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under Islamic rule, under Sharia law. And we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world, even in Europe, in France. Somebody was saying that, I think it's 25% of France is already living under Sharia law. And so this ideological war that's being waged is not, it's being waged by one side, and there's not a counter narrative.
There's not a counter war being waged on the other side to defeat it with a superior ideology of freedom and what we value as a society. And that puts this mission and this effort, and it's not just Hamas. Obviously, Al-Qaeda and ISIS and other terrorist organizations around the world, they all have that same objective, which poses the greatest short and long-term threat to people who value freedom and to civilization.
And we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we do have
this sort of democracy. You know, it's obviously heavily influenced by money,
and then with the open borders, so you have all these people funneling into the country, and so you have an erosion of confidence in our entire system, because people are very aware of that, and the more people are let out of jail after they commit violent crimes, the more people are aware of that. If you looked at the whole picture, all the things that are in play right now, particularly with the open borders and giving people plane tickets and flying them to all these different cities, if I was gonna try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. If I was gonna try to destroy the country, I would radicalize the kids. I would give them the stupidest ideas and run them in their head. Boys can be girls.
Girls can be boys. Boys can compete against girls in sports if they think they're a girl. Queers for Palestine, you know, the death to the Jews, yell it out unironically on campuses, and to have the presidents of those colleges and universities defend it, which was wild.
Completely.
With cameras on them.
Yeah, it shows how scared they are. It shows how afraid they are of actually calling out what is right and what is wrong.
I think it also shows how they live in a bubble, and I don't think they interact with the real world, and I think when they did, the shock was probably horrifying to just to realize how most people feel about what they said. Like, oh, it's not harassment unless it's actionable. Like, what the fuck are you saying? You're saying death to the Jews, so you have to kill Jews, and then it's harassment. Isn't that a little late?
I was shocked, like everyone else, at not only their statements, but how every one of them, sitting at that table on that day, said almost the exact same thing, and knowing how much preparation, because when people come, I don't care who you are, but when you come and testify before Congress, you go through preparation, and if you're the president of an Ivy League university, you're gonna have a whole team of people sitting there telling you, okay, well, here are the questions you should probably be prepared to answer. The question that Elise Stefanik asked was not outside of the realm of like, here's what the frequently asked questions would be, and the fact that their answers were all the same, and how they were smirking as they were giving that answer, I was very surprised by it. Maybe I shouldn't have been as surprised.
given what they're doing.
I think we're sending our kids to cult camps. That's what I think. I think they get indoctrinated into this. They don't all. Some of them skate through.
Some of them are wise. Some of them realize this is crazy. Can't wait to get the fuck out of here and get my degree, and then go to work, but some of them just get locked in, and then it becomes their identity, and it's dangerous. It's dangerous also because, look, kids don't wanna listen, okay? And if you have kids, they don't wanna listen to you.
They wanna rebel, and when they finally get to go away somewhere and be on their own, and your dad's a banker, you're like, fuck that asshole. Capitalism is bullshit. Like, you're wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. You don't know what the fuck you're doing. You're using chat GBT to answer your homework.
The whole thing is nuts, and then you're allowing those young people to just trying out being an adult with a voice and an opinion, and trying to be profound.
Yeah, and there's no consequences to actions.
No, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird that people can't see it, and I'm glad that some people are pulling funding. Like, there's a lot of people that are donors are like, hey, fuck you.
Like, this is crazy, and so that's fortunate that there's some sort of a blowback, but even that woman from Harvard, even though she got, she was caught plagiarizing. Many times. Like, if you were a grad student and you got caught plagiarizing, that would be a wrap for you, but meanwhile, she keeps making the same amount of money. They just gave her a different job. They didn't even fire her.
No.
The whole thing's crazy.
It is.
The whole thing's crazy. It's like, that's supposed to be Harvard. It's supposed to be the smartest people amongst us, and when you heard that lady talk, you're like, hey, how did she get to the top? That seems bananas. It seems like you probably had some better choices.
Like, was there any other considerations into how she got that gig?
Exactly.
The plagiarism doesn't freak you guys out? Right. Isn't that, like, opposed to everything that you stand for?
Yes. Okay. Yeah. It was very telling.
So what are you doing? You're not the best and the brightest anymore. You guys are doing nonsense. Right. This is a cult camp.
You got a cult camp, you're indoctrinating people, and where are you getting your money? Like, and how much of that money is coming from China? And how much of the influence is coming from Russia? How much of the influence, like, in the past has shaped these people? So you have this system where academics go to school, they learn, they get indoctrinated, and they start teaching, and they never enter into the real world, and they make this cycle, and those are the people who keep indoctrinating more people, and now they're infesting these social media apps, and they're infesting all of these tech companies, and everybody else is like, what are you doing?
This is crazy.
Yeah. But it's all coming from universities. It's coming from the kids. They get indoctrinated in these ideologies, and I remember when I first started talking about this in, like, 2015 or 16, whenever the Jordan Peterson thing was happening, people, or it was, first it was Bret Weinstein and Evergreen College, and people were like, why do you care what's happening in these obscure colleges? I go, hey, they're gonna graduate.
Yes.
Like, when I see fire, and it's five miles away, I don't go, oh, it's five miles away. I go, hey, we gotta get the fuck out of here now. Get out of here now. Fire's coming. Get out.
Like, this is, like, you don't see, that these kids are gonna leave school. They're so crazy. They believe that you should have a day where you tell white people they have to stay home, when it used to be that it was an appreciation of people of color, so they could take the day off, and they would get paid, and you go, oh, I really miss Mike. You know, I really miss Tanya. It'd be great if she was here, and boy, it's hard not working with her, you know, and doing her job, and my job at the same time.
Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. But telling people, white people, they have to stay home, and then threatening them with baseball bats if they don't, have people roaming the parking lot with bats. When I saw that, I was like, this is crazy. And so many people were saying, why do you care?
Well, they're gonna go out in the world. If this is happening there, it's not an isolated situation. It's happening to other people. And then the Jordan Peterson thing in Toronto, and I'm like, okay, guys. And now, everyone is sort of realizing, like, oh, this is a real problem.
This is infesting the world. This ideology is pervasive. And it's not well thought out. This is not just like fact-based, objective assessment, being kind, and understanding, and taking into account all the variables. No, it's like a cult.
Yeah, the problem is not. everyone is seeing what's really happening. You still have the AOCs of the world, and many people within the leadership of the Democratic Party, who this is the direction we are headed. And that's a very dangerous thing for so many reasons, but obviously, because they're in a position of power, and how they're using that power, and how they're undermining the rule of law, and choosing, again, who gets to speak freely, and who gets to go and do whatever they want, break the law, disturb the peace, acts of violence. No, because what?
What, you think that their cause is justified? Right. But meanwhile, others who would do the very same thing be charged with a crime.
Imagine if AOC got to write history books, and they said, why did people sneak into America in 2024?
? Oh, climate change. Like, 20 years from now. Climate change was so bad that people were walking from Guatemala to get plane tickets to fly to Michigan. Like, for real?
Are you sure?
Oh, my gosh.
Are you sure that happened? Maybe there's other variables. What do you think? Maybe he's encouraged. Perhaps.
Maybe there's a whole Red Cross map that they could follow. Hey guys.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe some of the stops along the way, they only speak Chinese, and they have Chinese signs, and it seems like there's a concerted effort to get people in from China. Hey, something going on?
Yeah.
No, just climate change. Oh, so simple. So nice to be able to just write something off.
That's just as bad as the people who break into stores in New York City. They're just hungry and trying to steal bread for their starving kids.
Yeah, that was a good one too.
Yeah. Yeah, that lady. Forget, like the guys who go in and like steal 50 Apple iPhones from the store and run out and jump in their car, all of these other things. It's hard to believe that a person who's a member of Congress can say that with a straight face.
Well, the best one was, did you ever see the conversation that she had with the news reporter, where the reporter was asking her to clarify her thoughts on Israel and Palestine?
Yes, I did.
That one's wonderful.
She had nothing to say.
But it seemed like she didn't even know like where they were. Like where, like if you gave her a map and this had no names on it, like which one of these is Israel?
Yeah.
Like what do you know about the history? Right. What do you know about, what happened in 1947? What was going on before that? Who lived there first?
Yeah, exactly.
What's Judea? What's that place? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
What's the biblical significance of these locations? Any, you know? How long has this dispute been going on?
Yeah.
You know, what's happening? Yeah. How much are we funding this?
There are these girls who, again, I don't know where this video is. I'm sure it's everywhere now, but they were left Columbia to go and stand with the students protesting at NYU. And somebody said, well, why are you here? They're like, oh, we're here to stand in solidarity with the protesters. What is NYU doing that you're protesting?
Oh, I don't really know. And then she turned to her friend, she's like, why are we here? What are they doing? that's wrong? And the friend said, I wish I was more educated, because I don't really know either.
Well, you know.
They're just out there being virtuous.
Somebody asked us to come, so we're just coming to stand in solidarity.
Well, there's this thing that you can do now, where, if you just yell out the thing that's popular, now, you become cooler than you really are. It's a new thing you can do. And if you're like really rabid about it, you know, and then you can demand other people do it on their social media. Like, how come you're not putting a black square up on Tuesday?
Yeah. I mean, all of these things, these were major drivers for me in leaving the insanity of what has become today's Democratic Party and where I have seen and heard directly from so many people who are, or have already woken up to that fact of literally just being common sense, minded Americans who are just, there's no explanation. There's no logic. There's no rationale that you can give for these kinds of things happening. And not just by some rogue member of Congress.
I mean, it's happening from the very top.
Yeah. It's the consequence of money being involved in politics. And that seems like that web is so deep and those roots run so deep that to try to stop that now is almost impossible. It's almost like the only way to solve this is to give corporations conscience. It's like the only way to solve this is you've got to figure out who is funding what and why?
Why is so much money being spent on this versus that? And one of the things about AI is that if AI is asked at a certain point in time when it becomes sentient or really super powerful, what is the solution between the conflict between Ukraine and Russia? And what's the cause of it? And AI gives a real, comprehensive analysis of the US government funded coup from 2014 and how NATO has been moving arms closer to Russia and lays it all out. And this is the definitive objective, no ideology, no bullshit.
reason why this is happening. And these are the companies that are pushing the conflict and this is the amount of money they're making from it. And here's the amount of money that's missing because there's corruption involved in Ukraine. As much as people don't want to admit, one of the wildest ones was Candace Owens on Twitter, where the New York Times, they tweeted her like, what evidence do you have of corruption in Ukraine? And she's like, from your own fucking newspaper?
And she starts posting links. And it's like, do you guys not even check before you tweet out publicly?
Do you not do journalism?
Well, they were also the ones that said. the New York Times said that that bomb landed in the hospital and killed 500 people. And apparently it landed in the parking lot and killed a small number of people. And it probably was not from Israel, but was actually one of the Islamic terrorists had launched a bomb and it accidentally landed in the parking lot.
And no effort to actually, truly, not in the fine print on the back page of the paper, but actually make sure that they got the facts right.
Well, and certainly no equivalent coverage of the actual true story versus the original story, which you should do. It's like, yeah, maybe you got bad information. Explain how you got bad information. Same people who read the newspaper will read this. Now they know.
Like, let them know. Don't just fucking hide it. Don't pretend you didn't fuck up.
I mean, it's the same reason why, with Julian Assange, back when his criminal charges were first coming up, they were saying, hey, this is a threat to journalism, that you can't suppress the free press. It is a violation of the First Amendment. And if you go after Julian Assange today, they could go after a New York Times journalist tomorrow. I think we were seeing it from the Washington Post and some of the other mainstream traditional news sources, but the script was totally flipped and they shut up real quick and turned their sights against Julian Assange after he released Hillary Clinton's emails. Why?
They're a political, they have become, unfortunately, a political arm of the Democrat elite. And it's the same reason why they stopped reporting on actual corruption in Ukraine, because they get, okay, what's the narrative that we've got to push? And they're not gonna go against it. Not allow facts and journalism to get in the way of that.
It's spooky. It's spooky for people that count on them for the news. It's like, okay, now, who do I have to trust? Who can I listen to? And it turns out it's like a lot of independent people.
And those are the only ones that are, they're free. They're free to actually report, for now. These laws are, did that TikTok thing pass?
It did pass. So that's done. That's it? Yeah.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Do you know, Adam Curry?
It will be challenged. I'm sure it'll be challenged in court. I don't know. I don't know by who or what the next steps will be, but I'm sure it will be challenged. I believe that President Biden signed it into law.
Actually, I know he did, but the timeline of execution, I think what they gave, something like 180 days for TikTok to be sold to an American company.
Oh, great. Give it to Bill Gates.
But even if that, that's a pretty tight turnaround when you look at that, but that doesn't negate all of the other provisions within that law that further violate our civil liberties.
Do you know, Adam Curry?
I don't.
Adam Curry used to be an MTV VJ. He's the original podcaster. He's the pod father, the real number one, brilliant guy. But I had him on the podcast quite a while ago, and he said that all this uproar over TikTok is total bullshit. He said, what it is is the Chinese are eating our lunch.
They've developed an app that is more addictive and collects data, just like our apps do, but, and we don't like it. We don't like it because their one is way better. And so they're trying to do something to shut it down, because they're using it to influence us. And like, hey, we're the only ones allowed to do that. And that's what he thinks.
And when he said that, I was like, I never really considered that. Cause I always was like, oh, this TikTok is like really bad. You gotta like read the fine print. And it is bad. I mean, if you look at the, just the terms of service, like when you're, you're agreeing, you know, the conditions that you agree to, like.
they get to monitor your keystrokes. So that means they can probably monitor your passwords. They can probably check out all your emails. They get to monitor other computers that are connected to the network, even if they don't have TikTok on them. Like it's bananas.
But who else is doing that?
Yeah, exactly. That's the point.
When you and I are having a conversation and then all of a sudden we talk about Toyota trucks and there's an app for a Toyota truck. Like, hey, did you guys know that we were talking about, are you listening? Google? Exactly. What are you doing?
Google, Meta, Facebook, Instagram, all of it. Do you know what I'm interested in? Right, exactly.
Cause they're trying to sell you things. They're all trying to sell you things.
Of course, of course.
Yeah, and the best way to sell people things is find out what the fuck they're talking about.
What do you want? Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense. Of course, like Elon and X was, well, Elon, specifically, was the only one who stood up amongst our American big tech companies to say, no, this is a very bad bill. The others, to my knowledge, were very, very silent or they were actually coming out in support of it. Competition, makes sense.
The other piece of that is other than X and TikTok, the Biden administration has been very successful at working with Google and Meta, Facebook, Instagram, in being able to control, quote, unquote, disinformation and information. So, when you look at it from a government standpoint, well, if you're concerned about data security and privacy, why aren't you doing it across the board and treating every social media company that Americans use with that same standard? Well, maybe they're just going after the ones that they can't actually control and intimidate into doing their work for them, which is why it makes sense. Why Elon Musk and others would say, well, of course, if today it's TikTok, then why wouldn't it be X tomorrow?
It's interesting to me that people don't seem to understand the value and importance of a guy like Elon, who's this wild billionaire character who likes to dunk on people. Like that guy being like, did you see that thing that he posted the other day? Because one of the guys who was like from Facebook, I believe, said that what Elon is doing is corruption on like an Enron level, I think he compared it to. So Elon posted a photo of a dog laying its balls on another dog's head.
I did not see this.
And was like dunking on this dude. I'm like, how wild is this guy? And then someone said, did you really spend $44 billion on Twitter so you can dunk on people? And he writes 100%. And he's like.
I don't know how he has time for this.
I don't get it, I don't understand it. Doesn't make any sense to me.
But he does. And do everything else that he's doing.
He's a fascinating guy. I mean, his brain is a fucking tornado of information just flying around all the time. And I think it helps him to be able to just fuck around and be silly. But he was the only one that recognized that there's a real problem if you have the entire narrative being controlled by one ideology through all the social media apps. And that's what's going on.
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