#2150 - Greg Overton
2024-05-14 01:57:47
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What's up? What's up? What's up, bro? Good to see you, my friend.
Good to see you.
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So people can hear me and see me.
Have you ever done a podcast? Yeah, you have done a podcast. I've listened to you on podcasts. I've done. Oh, you did?
Yeah, I listened to you on some podcast. I was shooting arrows in my backyard. And some podcast came up and said Greg Overton. I'm like, get the fuck out of here, my man.
See, I'm doing all kinds of shit. All kinds of shit. My boy, Justin, who's from Pittsburgh. What's up, Justin? He does the Curious Jones podcast.
And we also do those Zippos. He does those. Oh, yeah. So, Lit Zips, Curious Jones podcast. He's a cool dude.
We got one of those right here.
Yeah, the Black Dragon Samurai.
Yeah, this is the samurai that we have outside, next to the.
. Did you see the actual samurai armor?
Yeah, fucking crazy.
Yeah, it's real samurai armor.
And the sword, dude.
And the sword. The sword's even older than the armor. The armor's from the 1800s, but the sword's from the 1500s.
So is that.
. That's right before the Sengoku Jidai, the time of the country at war. The 300 years where they're at war. I'm trying to think, did it begin in the 1500s?
I don't have any knowledge of that.
Can you look that up, the Sengoku Jidai?
Pull that microphone up. Keep it like a fist from your face.
There you go. There you go. Damn. All right.
So I first found out about.
. I don't even remember what year it was, man. I remember I was with my family. I was in Salt Lake, and we were walking by this gallery. And there was this fucking dope painting.
It's a huge painting of this Native American guy with a buffalo skull that had a bullet hole in the head. And I was like, God damn. And I was trying to figure out, where can I put that? Where can I put that fucking thing? And I snoozed.
I snoozed, and I lose.
And then it got bought. But I didn't lose.
Because, you know.
But that, dude, it's an interesting story. And I'll just tell you, like, I was shown with this other gallery for a long time. That that same painting was like in the back room, and they weren't really giving me my props. Which is what people will do if they just want to kind of keep you at a certain level.
So do they do that to keep your prices down?
They do that, so you don't leave the gallery, so you don't get too big for the gallery.
Oh, so you don't go off on your own like you did.
But no, I'm loyal as fuck, dude. I'm still at the galleries that were cool. You know what I mean? If the people hook me up, I'm going to hook them up. I'm going to stay there.
You know what I mean? But, like, I just wasn't getting my due at this other gallery. So I decided.
How long had you been painting for at the time?
I mean, professionally, I think about 16 years.
Wow.
But, you know, I've been doing it since I was a kid, semi-professionally.
Just always? Yeah. Always doing art. And when did you get, I want to say, obsessed, that's the right word, right?
When I was born.
With Native American culture. Yeah.
I mean.
From the time you were little.
There's books in my grandparents' house. Like, one of them was called Fighting Indians of the West. And then there was, like, Russell and Remington books. The painters. Wow.
And so I'd just look at these photos of, like, Sitting Bull. And I was going to say Crazy Horse, but no photos of Crazy Horse. But, like, Geronimo and shit like that. And I just saw a look in their eye, like, a wild person. Somebody who wasn't trapped by the system.
You know what I mean? And as a little kid, I just knew that was better. I knew it was powerful. I just really loved that culture.
Just connected to it.
Yeah.
It is so fascinating that so many Native Americans who got captured and put into the reservation systems and then eventually, like, integrated with Western culture, fucking hated it. But when Western people, either when they were young, if they got kidnapped, or if they integrated with the tribes, like a lot of trappers and a lot of people, integrated with the tribes, when they tried to bring them back to Western society, they all wanted to leave. They're like, get me the fuck out of here. Like, I don't want to do this. It's like we have this idea that cities, especially back then, I mean, you're talking about cities in the 1800s, that somehow or another it was better.
We always have the idea that progress in terms of, like, what's going on right now is better than what was going on before. We always have that in our head that we're doing it. It doesn't seem to ring true to the human spirit. There's something about human beings that they absolutely prefer that life.
Yeah. I mean, it's, dude, you are more of a human being if you're living that life. If you're living a life in a city where you have to go do something you don't want to do and you have to go hang out with people, you really, it's like your tribe is your tribe. You belong there. It's a totally just, simpler, better, more real way of life.
I think that thing that you just said, too, about your tribe, because too many people today, their tribe is not someone they chose. Their tribe is just people that they're stuck with because they're working with them. You know, if you're working, like, if you're, say, if you're a married person, you're a married couple and you both work, you're both with other people at least eight hours a day. How long are you together? You're together for a few hours at night and then you go to sleep.
Yeah. You're tired.
It's not a quality way of life.
But it's not the people you chose. It's the people that your occupation chose or the opportunity for employment chose. And then you've got to deal with these fucking schmucks in your office. I've been very fortunate. I never had to work in an office my whole life, a dodged office life.
But I've had a lot of people that I worked with that were fucking annoying, man. Just got in your way. They were always there. They're always fucking imposing their bullshit on you. And if you're a person that works in an office, especially if you have a bunch of bosses, the boss-employee relationship is so often abused.
It's such an abusive place to be where you have this person that gets to tell you what to do and make you sometimes work on weekends and make you stay overtime and upset at you if you do X, Y, or Z, which forces you to have the same ideological beliefs as them, forces you to have the same political beliefs as them.
Crazy, dude. Reminds me of that movie Office Space.
Yes, exactly.
That's what I think our country is almost like right now. is that motherfucker Milton. You remember him? They're always kind of pushing him to the side, seeing how much shit he'll put up with.
He's not the stapler guy, right? That's Steven Root. Yeah. That's my man.
He's just like, how much shit will these motherfuckers put up with? Yeah. And that's your life in an office. And you're taught as a kid going to high school, if you do a good job here, you get to have an office job. That's what you're fucking shooting for.
Yeah, and you're working all day at school to try to do that. It's very complicated, man. Trying to get through the education aspect of your childhood and the indoctrination aspect, because that's what it is. It's indoctrinating you into believing that the only way that you can get by in this life is to become a part of this exact same system. So this is why school is structured like that.
I mean, it's structured like that to teach you, but it's also structured like that where you're sitting down in front of people all day long, learning things that you don't want to learn, being forced to be immobile when you're a child, and you're literally just a hummingbird of energy.
I know, those little desks.
Oh, it's so bad for you. The inside fluorescent lights when I was a kid, terrible for you. The whole thing, bad for you. Bad feeling. I couldn't wait to run away from it.
Like, everything, every fiber of my being was opposed to it. But they had everyone convinced that if you didn't do this this way, you're going to be a fucking loser. And that's what I was convinced. I was convinced I was going to be a loser. So I was like, I've got to figure out a way to make money outside of regular jobs, because I'm a fucking loser.
I can't do a regular job.
I've got to do a loser job.
I have to be a loser. I have to be a construction worker. I have to do something else. I have to do something that's outside the norm, because I can't fucking do this. I can't sit down.
I have too much energy. I'm so bored. And it's also a terrible way to learn things. Like, the best way to learn things is things you enjoy. Things you enjoy.
And then if you learn that you do something that you enjoy and you really get good at it, you go, oh, I can apply that to everything. I can apply that to all things in life. But they don't teach you that. They teach you. you've got to fucking sit still.
You've got to pay attention. You've got to memorize some nonsense. You've got to do some shit. Do these fucking calculations that make no sense to you. You've got to memorize these fucking people, a distorted version of the actual history, which is almost always what they're teaching, some weird distortion written by the winners.
And if you don't do that, you're a loser.
We have such a goofy society.
Yeah, but, dude, we made it. We didn't.
We were born into it.
Our ancestors made it, but I think maybe they were trying to do the right thing. Maybe they had good intentions. Maybe. We don't know. But it turns out it's fucking stupid.
Why do we keep doing it?
I think it's industry tricked everybody. Industry gave people jobs. Jobs are easy. You need to feed people. You need to eat.
You need to have a roof over your head. Okay, here's a job. This way I can get a roof over my head. Especially these people that came over, like my grandparents did. They came over from Italy.
They didn't know what the hell was going on. They didn't know what was going on. They were just like, what am I going to do? I'm going to feed myself. Get a job.
Get a job. Get a job. So everybody gets a job. You got to get a job. Get a job.
Get a job. You got to eat. Because the reality of life then. in the 1920s, everybody was fucking starving to death. People were starving.
Dudes weighed 100 pounds. No one had food. It was a real possibility that you could starve to death. in America. People were like real poor.
Real poor, in like the 1920s. And so they all just did it. And now we're still doing it. And everyone's fucking miserable. And then everyone gets to – not everyone, obviously.
You're not miserable. I'm not miserable.
Well, like the people that have to.
We dodged it. Everyone stuck in that trap is miserable. They fucking hate their bosses. They hate the corporation. Can't wait to get out and talk shit about them.
And they're like pissed off at people that got out of it.
Oh, yeah. Or people that are free of it. Yeah. They don't like. people that are free of it.
Like. I was having this conversation with my kids about. like podcasters and influencers. They were talking about this girl. She's making millions of dollars.
Here's how you have to think about that. It seems ridiculous that she's doing that. But she has a product. Whatever that product is, she's making videos or TikToks, or what have you. Someone's consuming that product.
She's a business person. It's just the business is ridiculously easy to get into. And the product is nonsense.
But the thing is, you got to hand it to her for selling some bullshit.
She got lucky. She got born at the right time. I mean if that lady was born in the 1970s, she'd be fucked. But she's not. But then you also have to deal with like from a psychologist's perspective.
If you talk to psychologists about growing up in this time, it's one of the most challenging times. Because people are inundated by other people's lives. You're inundated by these people driving cars. you couldn't imagine driving, living in these crazy homes, flashing money, wearing all these designer clothes. Everybody's got a filter on, so their skin looks perfect.
They look way more beautiful than they do in real life. And you're like, God damn. Like. what is life? Like?
what do I have to aspire to? Like? what am I looking for? Like? what am I going to get out of this?
You know?
You don't have meaning. You don't have a sense of belonging, that you make a difference. Like that's a fucking empty, sad life, dude.
Yeah, it's a suck life. As opposed to the life that you're living, a life of an artist. Like a life that, you know, you labor at these pieces that you make. And then people stand in front of them and go, oh. Like, dude, that one that you made for me, the one with the guy's, got all the face paint, like a gray and black face paint on.
Do you know the one I'm talking about? Dreamer, yeah. Yes, dude. That one's in my library. When people walk in there, they go, oh, shit.
I'm like, yeah, right? Look at that thing. You can stare at that painting. You can stare at it for hours. Like, whoa.
There's so much. And it's huge. There's so much going on in it.
That's what you have to do. if you're going to actually say I'm an artist. It has to stop motherfuckers in their tracks and kind of wake them up a little bit. And then they can't even stop thinking about it the rest of the day because it's like.
Has anybody ever done that to a Jackson Pollock?
I mean, not unless they're on a lot of drugs.
Maybe that's what I'm missing. Maybe it's like a dead concert. Like, dude, you got to fucking, you got to hop on the train.
I guarantee you the dead sounds way better if you're frying.
Oh, I bet if you're frying, it's amazing. I bet it's amazing. But can you find that painting, Jamie?
No, that's one that I have.
I don't know if you're talking about Soul Catcher or Dreamer.
Soul Catcher. I have that one in my house, too. That one's dope, too.
That's the one.
Fucking Soul Catcher.
And that thing is massive. That's a massive painting. It's huge. And it's sitting in my library.
You can't really see all the detail on it. that good, because it's like a JPEG. And it's kind of, when you blow it up, you can't see as much detail.
Yeah, it's not that high resolution.
But you know, when you look at the snake scales, dude.
Oh, the snake scales. But really, the thing that gets me is always his face. Just the close-up of his face with all the paint and the cracked paint. Fuck, I love that painting.
Yeah. You put your soul into it, and it speaks. It's alive, dude.
Yeah, it speaks. That one speaks. That one speaks.
That's what art is, though. It's speaking without words. It's communicating through this. I mean, it's the most archaic language that we have. Like those cave drawings and stuff.
Probably, language wasn't that advanced when they were doing that. But they wanted to say something profound. You know what I mean? Like. they didn't have books and poems and all that.
They weren't advanced as far as writing stuff down. So they'd write it down in like a pictograph. And that's how they would communicate those deeper truths. And if you look at those cave drawings, they have the same themes. Have you looked at those?
I've looked at a lot of them, yeah.
They have a hunter, and he's kind of with the animals. They're going along. And then there's like this big, tall motherfucker with a space helmet on.
There's a lot of those. Yeah. Explain that. Yeah.
Well, I mean, I don't know if I have to. You have to just look at the fucking thing. They explained it.
Well, I don't know what that means. You know, I really don't. They could have been tripping balls. Or it could be that when you're tripping balls, you meet those folks, and they're real. Yeah.
That's what I was going to say. I was like, same with Grateful Dead.
Yeah.
I've often thought about that, about UFO experiences. Because I think maybe it's like a state of mind. There's a state of mind that you can achieve, and you can see them. You know, not if they're not there, clearly. But I think – If they're not here.
Yeah.
Then they're there.
But even if they're not – I mean, they're not there all the time, right? The idea is, if there's something, that's traveling here. But it might also be that they know –.
I mean, if it's interdimensional, though.
Yeah. That's what a lot of people think. It's so hard to know. Because it's like – it's such a multifaceted story, right? Because it's laced with bullshit.
Because people are bullshitters, right? So everyone bullshits. They distort something to make it more interesting. They twist it up in their own mind. Even your own memory is absolutely terrible.
Because you always want to make yourself be the hero. Yeah.
Or, if you're, like, self-loathing, make yourself be a piece of shit. You're the villain. Yeah, you could do that too. But it's also – it's just not reliable, right? So then you have this shocking thing where you're not exactly sure what happened.
And then your body starts filling in – or your mind starts filling in the blanks with, like, a lot of nonsense. And then you start telling it to people over and over again. And then, after a while, your memory is of the memory of you telling it. And barely even of the UFO experience itself. It's like you've told it this way for a certain amount of times, so you kind of keep repeating it.
Yeah. And, like, what is the motivation there? Is it now just a story you tell to get attention?
What makes you better? You're a special person.
Aliens, talk to me.
Yeah, we have to always be careful of anything that makes you special. Anything that makes you a special person. What makes you special? Did you really see Bigfoot? Or are you just a fucking loser?
You know? Like, what's going on here? Are you fucking just a fucking loser?
Are you even special because you saw Bigfoot? Or is he just special because he – I don't know.
I think Bigfoot might be one of them. things too. I think maybe – I struggled with the idea that everyone's lying. I really do. But I also struggle with the idea of this unknown bipedal hominid that's eight feet tall.
Like, where is it shitting? What does it eat? Where's its bones? No one's seen it on a trail camera. How's that possible?
But why would everybody be lying?
But maybe it's smart. Maybe it fucking digs toilets. I don't know.
No chance.
Well, there's –.
No chance. it's so smart that it knows what a trail camera is, but it never made its own trail camera. No chance. No chance. it doesn't get photographed.
Bigfoot has Wi-Fi and shit.
No. Too many people go into the backcountry. You know, all my friends that really go deep into the backcountry, like my friends like Aaron Snyder. He does these crazy backcountry hunts. He'll go like 26 miles in with everything on his back.
And they hunt for weeks, weeks at a time. And he never – None of those guys have stories like that. None of them. Not one. Only the people that are nervous in the woods, that don't understand the woods.
You know, I saw a squirrel once and for like a couple of seconds. I thought it was a wolf.
I thought Carl was a wolf when he was biting my leg.
I thought Carl was a wolf about 14,000, 15,000 years ago. They turned that into Carl. No, I think you're right. But you know what I'm saying? And like there's bears that stand up on two legs.
They do that all the time. People see that in between the trees. You think you saw a Bigfoot. But then I wonder about like just the heightened state of mind that you're in when you're in the forest and you're scared. Because you've been in the woods before.
And for people that haven't, I really recommend it. Because it's so humbling. There's something about just the undeniable vulnerability that you have. And that you don't really mean that much. You might think you mean a lot.
But you're just a part of this massive system that's going on. This massive system of life. And if you're in that and this is a new experience for you. And then you start freaking out. And then you think you saw something.
And your brain goes into overdrive. And your mind starts pattern forming. You start looking for things. You've heard about Bigfoot. Now you start seeing Bigfoot.
Bigfoot!
Yeah. I think there's a little bit of that.
I'm sure a lot of people do. If they're getting drunk. Or maybe they're smoking a little weed. Or whatever. I mean.
God. But then again, maybe if you are drunk or smoking a little weed. Maybe you can hit that spot. Maybe there's a frequency that you can hit. Where that motherfucker is real.
I think it's cool to believe in. It's very cool. If it was real, it would be really cool.
Some people are all in. And you can't even talk them out of it.
They needed a hobby. They're like. I've got to sell some fucking t-shirts, man.
There's a lot of that. Like Finding Bigfoot. That show. That show, was hilarious. How did they pull that off?
for like eight seasons? Three or four.
Eight fucking seasons.
How many seasons did Finding Bigfoot have? It might still be going on.
They really wanted to find Bigfoot.
You can just keep. There's a certain amount of slack jawed people. Me included. That would just sit in front of that. And just like.
Like the river monster show. With the river monster show.
That guy's fishing. Fishing's fun. He's just fishing.
That's just crazy how he just jumps down in the fucking swamp. And just brings up this big demon of a fish.
Big tiger fish. That tiger fish. That crazy fish in Africa with the giant teeth. And you're like.
Would I do that? Would I jump off the fucking cliff? The original show ended.
And they brought it back as the search continues.
We couldn't think of a better fucking title. The bullshit continues.
And there's also Bigfoot. Finding. Bigfoot. Further evidence. Further evidence.
You got none. And that's from 2011..
This is fucking way far out there.
I mean it's basically printing money. As long as the people that are like on the TV show don't get cocky. Think they deserve more money. It's Bigfoot.
He's behind it. You might have to bring in new researchers. Find me, motherfucker.
Keep looking. If anybody gets cocky, you might have to bring in new researchers. But then the researchers have to be accepted by the research community as a legitimate Bigfoot researcher.
Legitimate. Yes.
Yes. We don't tolerate outsiders here, Greg.
That's a job title. No, I'm a legitimate Bigfoot researcher. I'm not like those bullshit Bigfoot researchers. Just researching bullshit. You know what's interesting?
Duncan and I went, we hung out with Bigfoot researchers. when I did that TV show for Sci-Fi called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. We went and hung out with these Bigfoot people. And at the end you realize it's just like, oh, you guys just need a community. This is a community.
Just needed some friends.
And it's a fun thing to think about. And the thing about like the Pacific Northwest, it's like the woods up there, if you haven't been, it's like a box of Q-tips. Like you can't see shit through that. You can't see 30 feet, 40 feet. You can't see anything.
It's just fucking trees like everywhere.
And how much does mushrooms have to do with Bigfoot? Like, there's a lot of mushrooms growing up there in the woods, dude. You can see a whole bunch of shit.
You can see elves.
Yeah, elves, Bigfoot. Like leprechauns. Santa Claus.
Santa Claus. Yeah.
There's going to be this big party. Why not? Take some shirts and hang out with Bigfoot and elves and Santa Claus.
Then again, like what is happening there? Are you seeing things that aren't there? Or are you seeing things that are there, that you can't see under normal circumstances?
Well, dude, I think it's the latter. I think it's. if they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to perceive them. And those substances just help you to perceive things, because you're too busy over here all the time in that brainwave circuit. That you're kind of trapped in right here, this reality tunnel.
This stuff. over here, there's blinders. You can't see it. The only way, like what happens when you take those substances? Your fucking pupils.
Dial it.
They get huge.
And then, all of a sudden, dude, I remember the first time that I really took a whole bunch of shrooms. When I was a kid, me and a bunch of my friends, like we just got a hold of some bunch of money. I'm not going to get into that, how that happened.
Long story short, we turned this money into a big bag of mushrooms. And we all went down to the bowling alley and ate a whole bunch of them. And we just cruised around, tried to go bowling. That didn't work out and just shroomed out. And by the end of the night, we're looking at the money that we still had.
And everybody's, we had a bunch of weed, we're passing around bowls and shrooming out.
And we're looking at the money and we're looking at the buildings going, the fucking system has us trapped with this money. Let's tear it up.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
I wish I was there with you.
Yeah, we started tearing it up. Everybody, all my friends that are listening to this are going to be like, yeah, dude, we were all there. Because there was probably like eight of us.
You're just tearing up your money.
Tearing up our money.
How much money do you think it was?
We had a fuck ton of money because we just, I was a little shit when I was a kid.
We don't need specifics.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, right. So anyway.
It was enough money that it was a stupid thing to do.
We were little kids. No, it's, you know, we paid for it. later. We got busted. A whole bunch of shit happened after that.
But, long story short, we're ripping up $10 bills. This is the 80s. Like, oh fuck, 10 bucks. Yeah. And the next day you'd put it back in your pocket.
Tape it back together again. We'd be like, what the fuck was I doing?
Yeah. But I think I was right.
Could have went to Jimmy John's with this.
But I think we tapped into something saying the system is bullshit. And if we didn't tap into that, you wouldn't make it to where you did today. Like the fact that I saw that and I started doing all those, you know, drugs and crazy shit when I was young is what led me here. And I was getting a bunch of shit for it when I was a kid. And people were saying, what are you doing, art?
Because I wanted to do that since I was a kid. That's what I was wanting to do for my career. Like album covers, comic books, shit like that. And people were like, no, you're crazy. You're never going to fucking do anything with art.
But I think just being, you know, like a rebel, an outcast, that helped me. That made it possible.
Well, it's the only way. You know, if you're a person that has like some crazy corporate job and you get locked into that thing, it's going to be very difficult for you to break out and become an artist.
Yeah. Although I actually did work for the government, for the feds, for a while.
Which stuff?
I was an artist. No, I was a graphics guy for OSHA. For the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
So what did you do?
I designed all the little.
Pamphlets and shit?
Like web shit.
Don't put your hand on the machine.
Don't carry stuff like this. Don't do this. Oh. And then they'd have me edit like pictures of people that got electrocuted and got their faces blown off. Oh, no.
And say, try to make this a little less bloody.
Oh, God damn it.
And yeah, that made me rethink.
Bro, there's so many videos on Instagram of people getting caught in machines.
You want to know. the worst one? The stupidest one that I ever saw? Was three dudes wanted to get high at work. They were asphalt layers.
And they're like, let's jump in the asphalt. No. Mixer. They fucking jumped in there to smoke a joint. All of them died.
Like three dudes.
Oh, God damn it.
Because asphalt is deadly toxic if you breathe it.
It's terrible for you. Oh, my God.
But I mean, I had to kind of get into the system before I started trying to do tattoos. Because I had young kids and stuff. I had to. And it's hard to get into the art business. So I had to try to do that.
But then 9-11 came along and we lost our contract. Because all the money went to military shit. And so I had to just make another plan. I tried to tattoo for a while. That didn't work out.
And then got into fine art from there.
How did you get into tattooing? How do you even practice that? Do you practice on pig skin?
No. I practice on myself.
But a friend of mine, actually, from Big Deluxe Tattoo, the best shop in Salt Lake. And also Anthony Bogano. What's up, Anthony? I didn't forget you. What's up?
So? I worked at Big Deluxe for a while. My friend Rich runs that shop. And he's like just a total gangster of tattooing. And runs just a real tight ship.
I apprenticed there for a while.
Accidentally kicked my manager in the face. And got fired.
How did you do that?
There's a bar next door that we always would go to after work. And I was over there just drunk as fuck. And there's some dude in there that was trying to fight me, or something. He's like, I'm going to kick your ass. And so I was like, alright, go outside.
I'm going to finish my beer. I'll be out there in a minute. And I was training lots of Muay Thai at the time. So I was ready to do whatever. And so I walk out the door.
And my friend's holding the door open. Where's this dude that's trying to kick my ass? Right here, motherfucker. He takes a swing at me. And I barely ducked it.
Went down the sidewalk. I was like, alright, let's go. And I thought, as soon as he gets within range, I'm just going to hit him with that high kick. Right? And so he gets within range.
I throw up the high kick. And I spin around.
And you miss. And you hit your boss.
Because he was going, break it up. I didn't even see him.
Oh, no.
He was running out of the shop because he saw us going by the sidewalk. The window's right there. He's like, oh, Greg, come on. And he goes like this, seriously, just hands out.
So you went full rotation on the high kick. Good job.
Wasn't good for him. It would have been good. Yeah. Good technique. I mean, like I said, I got to train some good Muay Thai in Utah.
There was a couple good schools there when I was young.
We're a tall dude, too. Yeah. Good, long kicks. Yeah.
So that was my thing. So he got in the way. If I can hit you with a kick, I can say goodnight.
So he fired you for that?
Well, I knocked his teeth out and stuff.
Yeah, but you didn't do it on purpose.
They wouldn't believe me.
Oh, come on. They thought you were trying to hit him instead of hitting the other guy?
Yeah. They probably still do. I didn't fucking do it.
Well, how hammered were you, though?
Shit hammered. So fucking hammered, I couldn't even see. That's why I was like, I'm just going to throw out the long kick. And take him out, you know? But then I thought, because the dude's still standing there like Juggernaut, and I thought I hit him with my best kick.
So I'm like, this dude has to go.
Oh, no.
And so then I'm like, all right, judo for you. I fucking hip-tossed him onto the concrete. And I started to, you know that when you have like a scarf hold?
Yeah, it's like an Americana.
With your leg, though. So I was pushing out the hip, getting ready to break his shoulder. And his fucking girlfriend kicked me in the face. Because she was watching the fight.
That's the problem with the ground game in the street, bro.
Always, dude. And so he scurries away. And I ran over and grabbed him. I was like, no, you don't. Put him in the car.
Dropping elbows on him. And then she wasn't done. yet. This dude's girlfriend was badass. She fish-hooked me.
And fucking ripped up my cheek. And somehow I got her fucking finger out of my mouth. And then I was like, I'm just going to kill this motherfucker now. He's going to be no good to you at all. And then, just, you know, hit him with a bunch of knees.
Goddamn bar fights are stupid.
That was a long, long time ago.
Well, it all worked out. Isn't it funny how those doors close? Doors close in your life. New door opens.
Well, I called up the next day. And I was like, dude, I'm going to be a little late. And Rich is like, no, you're going to be a little fired, motherfucker. You kicked Mike in the face. Oh, no, I did not.
I did not, I swear. Oh, no.
But everybody's laughing about it now. I'm sure those guys will get a kick out of seeing this. They'll be like, oh, dude.
Street fights are so stupid, you know. Please, folks, if you listen, don't do it. Don't do it.
We all could have died.
We all could have died. You definitely could have died. And even the person who kills you, they wish they didn't do it. Yeah. Don't do it.
No, I know people that have accidentally killed people in street fights and stuff.
There's a guy who is a pedophile who just got caught the other day. There's a bunch of these videos where these guys, they, like, bait pedophiles. Like, they bait them on social media.
Like the old show to catch a predator.
Oh, right, to catch a predator. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys doing that on YouTube, right? And this one guy got caught. I only watched the clip of the guy getting punched. And some guy walks up to him.
I think the dude is wearing a mask. And he said something like, I got kids, motherfucker. And he, soccer, punched this dude in the head. And the dude, he's an old guy, too, and he falls. And you hear that bang of his head bouncing off the sidewalk.
I'm like, oh, my God, that guy's fucked. And I'm pretty sure he's dead. I'm pretty sure he died, which happens. I don't know if he died. I tried to follow up, too.
I don't know. Yeah, you heard about it, too, right? Yeah, so, this is it. I'm not going to show it. So show it real quick.
I don't know if we can. Oh, it's illegal? It's not our content. Oh, okay. Well, don't show it on the screen, then.
Yeah, right there. Bam. See, that dude bounces his head off. And the other guy runs off. But the sound of that guy's head hitting the concrete is just horrible.
And that's how people die.
People don't realize how strong they are if they fucking hit someone. You're a full-grown man, you know?
Did you Google it, whether or not he's dead?
This is the follow-up right here.
That's a video, though. Did you Google it? I read a story that said he died in the hospital. I'll check. How long ago was this?
Five days ago. Yeah, I think I read a story much more recently that he died in the hospital. I don't know if that's true, though. Because, you know, everything is just for clicks. now.
Like, Bill Maher just pointed this out, that there was an article that said there's a 300% rise in measles in the United States. Do you know how many cases? that is? 35..
300 from nothing?
Yeah, well, that is 300%.
I was like, I don't know anybody with measles. I don't think I've ever met anyone with measles.
It's very rare these days, you know? But the fact that they wrote that in an article, a 300% rise in measles, and everybody goes into a hot panic, and then you find out it's 35 people.
But see, that's why, like, back in the day, maybe in the fucking 50s or something, wouldn't they have jumped on that shit if it was in the newspaper and we found out about it? You lying motherfucker. There's just so many people bullshitting these days, and we let them get away with it.
And they've been bullshitting since the beginning. That's how weed is still illegal. Weed is still illegal because of William Randolph Hearst, who ran Hearst Publications. And William Randolph Hearst is the guy who started printing those stories in the paper about marijuana.
Yeah.
You know, marijuana was a name for wild Mexican tobacco. It was a slang for wild Mexican tobacco. Cannabis was, like, well, well known. And so they started saying it was a new drug called marijuana, and it was causing Mexicans and black guys to rape white women.
Because they would use it after work, because they weren't drinking.
No, it wasn't real. They were calling it that because they were trying to get cannabis illegal.
No, but I'm saying they would actually get high, but they weren't doing anything.
They were trying to get marijuana to be illegal because they wanted hemp out of business for paper. That's what it was.
For nylon, right?
Yes, nylon. DuPont had come up with the patent for nylon. And then there was also paper mills, like William Randolph Hearst owned forests that they would cut down to make trees. So he owned paper mills as well. And hemp paper was the superior paper.
And so when they came out with the Decorticator, which was a machine that was much better at processing hemp fiber, and they had it in Popular Mechanics magazine. So they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogeyman of a drug called marijuana that made people crazy.
Just so they could make money.
Yeah, so that's the newspapers in the 30s, man. So they've been doing this shit forever. They've been doing this same fucking thing forever.
I wonder if there was ever a time when the media and the information was working for us. You know what I mean?
I think there's been people that have been working for us. But there's always been stories that were heavily influenced by the intelligence community and by special interest groups. And that's always been the case, man. Journalists have always been on the take. A certain percentage of them.
There's a certain percentage of journalists that are just bullshit artists.
Because all they are is people.
Yeah, that's it. And they're people doing a job. That's their job. They work at this place that says, Hey, I want you to concoct this fucking story. And they have to do it.
It's the same thing. I think the whole fucking problem with the government is lobbyists. When I was a little kid, and I was super patriotic as a little kid, and I loved the Constitution. I think it's just so cool. The checks and balances and the way the thing is supposed to work is amazing.
Awesome. But then I heard about the lobbyists. And I remember as probably a 10 or 12-year-old kid going, What? And the teacher would say, Yeah, yeah. It's their job to go and try to influence our senators.
And I'm like, That don't seem right. And what do they do? They take them to lunch and they buy them shit? To fucking convince them to make. Get those motherfuckers out of there.
And then we're good. Because then all they got to do is answer to me. And I'm the one paying them. They're trying to get extra fucking money. That's the same thing as if I was like working for a gallery and then selling art on the side or some shit.
You can't do that.
I mean, you could. And you know what happens? What? Customers will come up to you and say, I saw your shit at a gallery. And I want to buy it directly from you.
And so then it's on you.
Do you have a deal with a gallery? where, if you have your stuff up in the gallery, do they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery?
I mean, does it vary? Well, yeah, because sometimes you sign an exclusive. And then some galleries will front you a bunch of money. So every deal is different. But right now I don't sign exclusive deals.
I just say, you show my stuff. I still sell a ton on my own on my own.
But you do that now because you're established?
Yeah. But if they see it in the gallery and they come to me and they say, we saw it in the gallery. Then I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them in.
Yeah.
Because that's not really right.
Right. That's right. That's the right way to do it, because they saw it in the gallery. That's the whole benefit of the working relationship with you being in a gallery. I mean, that's how I found it.
Galleries always surprise when you do it. But when you bought the painting, you didn't buy it from me. You had to go through the gallery.
I had to.
But I could have said, bro, fuck the gallery. Just buy it from me. Yeah, but that wouldn't be cool. Right. Exactly.
Right. In that sense, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. But is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in a gallery and they're not even allowed to be commissioned to make a piece outside of the gallery?
I think, if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money, and if you come to them and say, hey, I haven't sold anything. Can you front me some more money? And they're going to take care of you.
Okay. So it's the fronting. the money is the issue.
That hardly ever happens. Okay.
So, for the most part, like, say, if I went into a gallery and I saw some piece and it was really dope, and they connected me to the artist and I get her email and I contact her and I said, hey, I really love this. I'm thinking of something along this theme. Can I contract you to do something like that? Can I commission you to do something like that? And they say yes.
Would she still have to go through the gallery, you think?
What do you think the right thing to do is, though, for the artist?
I think the right thing, if you find out about it through the galleries, probably go through the gallery. Yeah. That makes sense.
And then, like the gallery knows, you're loyal.
Yeah. Also, galleries are dope. Yeah. We want to keep them open. Exactly.
I fucking love going to galleries. I just, I love seeing all the different, I just love different people's expressions. You know, whether it's the music or through painting or illustration or sculpture, whatever it is. I'm just interested in the things people create. And so if there's a place, we can go and it's all just shit that people created, like.
I'm all in. Yeah. You know, I love galleries.
We need more of that.
Yes. We need more of that. We need more encouraging people to create things. You know, it's, it's a very valuable commodity that's seen as frivolous until it's not. It's seen as no big deal until it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It's a very strange world.
It is. But like, I mean, when you think about it, dude, it's like what we were talking about earlier, how the system is so much bullshit and it's so dry and fucking empty and there's just nothing to it. But they have to slot you in and make you fucking toe the line and your life's so fucking boring and shit. But if you get into art, whatever art it is, whether it's your music, at least you have a solace of some kind that you can come home to. So I, what I aspire to do, was to provide powerful stuff that people that like they're out there doing crazy shit all day, like you, doing stuff that's affecting the world.
Like they're, they got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time. But just for one minute, they look at that painting and they're like, now I know why I remember why I'm doing all this. It's for the spirit. It's for the essence of life. It's to try to make life better for all of us.
Yeah.
You know, that's what art is really supposed to do is try to communicate to you that, like you do matter. We all matter. We all matter together. And we're not actually separate. because if you can relate to this and I can relate to this, maybe we can forget about all the bullshit that they're trying to make us fight about.
Yeah. And just fucking, check out a show.
Yeah. Absolutely. We matter to each other. Yeah. That's what's really important.
Even if you think you don't matter. in the great scheme of things, like when people get like real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason. Why go on? And generally that's people that are disconnected from other people. They don't have anybody like real close that they can hang out with that they love.
Yeah.
You know, and people need that in life. It's you need. you need a tribe. Yeah. You do.
We're tribal people. You need a tribe. like your family should be your tribe. Your friends should be your tribe. You know, you need groups of people.
And that's a. that's a wonderful life. That's a joy filled life. If you can have a life filled with people that you enjoy hanging out with.
Yeah.
You can do it right.
Yeah. And those those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate that, like the potential you have to actually affect people's lives.
Sure. You can turn it around to how you feel right now is horrible and as dark as it seems. That's not how you're going to feel. Always. You just have to trust in this process and you got to do something.
It was a funny little Instagram clip that I put on my stories the other day. This lady was talking about how she feels down. And then someone asked her, did you get enough sleep? Nope. Have you been exercising?
Nope. Have you been eating well? Nope. Have you gone outside? Nope.
Have you stayed off your phone? Nope. Okay.
Why should you feel good?
Exactly. But that's ours.
As I say, I'm broke. Did you go to work? Did you fucking save your money?
Do you have people in your life that you love? Do you have a thing that you do that you love? If you don't have those things, you're going to have a rough time of it. That's what we're here for. We're here for doing things that we love or that are satisfying and being with people that we love.
And if you don't have those things, you're in a tough spot.
And the cold. hard truth is, for a lot of people, you have to be someone worthy of other people's appreciation too. Like what have you done? Who are you?
What's your character like? What are you like when you talk to people? Are you nice? Are you fun? Are you good to be around?
Do you complain a lot? You want the world to be better, but you complain all the time. You're just a fucking Debbie Downer. Is that what you are? Because, guess what?
Nobody wants to be around you and you're going to be depressed now. You're making people feel like shit. You've got to get out of that, whatever mindset spiral you're in, and come up with a better way to interface with humanity.
Because it's all about perspective, dude. I was walking around Austin earlier today. I've never been here before. I was just taking a walk.
This is your first trip?
Yeah. Nice. I go to like art towns for shows. It's all about business. when I travel.
I'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings. But just walking around a little bit down here, I was just like, God, this. really... I can look around and just see how fucking cool this place is. How all these people built all this stuff and they're building it and everybody's doing something here and I'm part of it.
And I get to just sit here and chill and take it all in and go, wow, I'm in this new city. Their building, they've got cranes on the tops of all the buildings. The restaurants look all vital. I'd love to see that. And I'm like, dude, all these people have good perspective.
Not all.
It's a good vibe, right? I don't know. An overall good vibe of the city, right? Yeah.
I didn't know what to expect, but I was impressed. I was like, this place seems pretty cool. And I realized that's my perspective. I'm looking for the good, right? But somebody else might be in the same exact spot.
And they would only notice the weird homeless dude over there. They hope that he doesn't come over here and ask for some money or they're stressing out about their bills or whatever it is. And I'm just sitting here thinking, oh, fuck. Perspective. Look at how fucking cool life is.
Because it really is, dude. I think we've all gotten so fucked up by these little cell phones that have kind of captured us that we kind of forget. Just go outside.
Yeah.
You know?
Go outside and experience some things. It's just hard to do when you're stuck. If you're at home and you're just, like, staring at your phone, it's hard to, like, put it down and start moving. It's hard. But you really have to.
It's a trap.
It's trying to get us to get sucked into the machine, kids. And it's coming. And if you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait. Yeah. Just wait.
But just don't let your tolerance get all low. Like, don't just keep fucking with it. Like, right now, go camping. Yeah. Right now, go learn to ride a horse.
I don't know about that.
You know?
You get hurt.
I got some crazy horse stories.
I know a lot of people that have some crazy horses.
I went down to the-.
I don't think they like to be ridden.
No, check this out, dude. I'll tell you something funny. I went down on a photo shoot to the Navajo reservation years ago. Like, probably about five or six, maybe seven years ago. And the Apaches and the Navajos were kind of doing a peace ceremony.
And I was down there with, like, this native photographer and just a couple friends. We were all hanging out like Navajos. And we ran into this Navajo family. There's this dude that just got back from the military and, like, his little brother and his little sister. And we're all just hanging out.
Like, because I just take pictures to get ideas for paintings. And meet people and just go do stuff and go to the reservation. That's what gives me the ideas. And so everybody's riding horses. And I haven't ridden a horse since I was a little kid in Montana.
But I learned how. I knew I rode horses every day as a little kid. Like, ten years old or something. We'd ride them to town. And so all these Indians, they're out there riding their horses.
And I want to fit in. I was like, I want to jump up on one of these horses. And I jump up on one of the trail horses that's been out on the trail ride all day. And I have these long-ass legs. Everyone else is, like, shorter than me.
So the stirrups aren't long enough for me. So I jump up on there. And I'm all kind of off balance. And the horse gets weirded out and just fucking takes off at a full run across the desert.
Ran for, like, a mile, dude. And I'm shitting. Like, it's bucking me. And it's like I thought about jumping off and everything.
Oh, my God.
And luckily I had been training jiu-jitsu at the time. So I had, like, the strong jiu-jitsu grip that you get. Right, right. And I grab the saddle horn and just hold on to it. I'm like, I'm not jumping.
I'm going to wear this motherfucker out. And he ran for about a mile.
So you didn't have reins? You didn't have a hold of reins?
I lost the reins.
Oh, my God.
He was running, dude. I wasn't ready for it. He just took off.
Oh, my God.
But I didn't fall off. I didn't jump off. Holy shit, dude. And he finally got tired. And I turned him around and walked him back to where we were all hanging out.
Oh, my God. And everyone was like, we thought we were going to be peeling you off the prairie. And my horse, like, puts his head down and taps the ground. I said, I made this fucker tap. I jumped off.
Oh, dude.
Isn't it interesting that you can break horses? They get wild horses and they can break them. Yeah. They break them and get them to the point where they can ride them. It's a strange animal.
Yeah. I mean, dude, horses are amazing. And then I got to go down to a ranch in New Mexico and learned to ride a bunch a few years ago. And I got good enough where I was running and controlling the horse.
It's kind of like a version, a real version of Avatar. When they have to hop on those dragons and they have to, like, merge with them.
They are exactly fucking like that, dude.
It is like that, right? Because it's this, like, thing. that's way more powerful than you. But for some weird reason, you guys sync up together.
Yeah. It will, like, stomp out rattlesnakes for you. And if it doesn't like you, it will go over to the rocks and...
Yeah, chuck you off. Fuck you off, bitch. Yeah, you have to have a good relationship with that animal. Yeah. And it has to be a real relationship.
Yeah. You can't be out of fear. That animal has to love you.
Yeah. And you have to love it. It's like dogs.
Yep. Exactly. Exactly.
They called them sacred dogs. The Lakota did.
Yeah, a dog, you ride. Yeah. Yeah, dogs and humans have very strange relationships. Very strange. You know, there's some sort of a syncing of the minds that's...
It's not as simple as the dog recognizes that it gets food from you. No, no, no. This is like this weird love. Yeah. You know?
Well, did you ever see that show? that was about how humans and canines, like, evolved together?
Yeah, I have seen it. Yeah.
Dude. I mean, I have two dogs. Like, they're part Husky, part Akita.
Pull up to that mic.
They're like the primal breed, so they kind of.
. They look like wolves. They kind of act like that. Yeah. Like, dude, those dogs are my best friends.
You know? Yeah. We go around the neighborhood. They pull me on my skateboard. And I know that.
they know that I'm their friend. Right. Right. And it's like... I know.
if, like, if I'm having a bad day or if I'm just, like, stressed out or something and I do this or something, they'll come right up to me. Like, what's wrong, bro?
I was in the gym today stretching out, and I was doing this crazy back stretch, and it's kind of painful. So I'm like... And next thing, you know, Marshall's face is, like, right there. He's like, what's wrong? Kissing me.
I'm like, it's all good, dude. I'm just stretching. And then he's like...
Like, did that stretch hurt you?
He just wanted to make sure I'm okay. It was just funny. It's funny. They just sync up to you. They just...
There's something about whatever that relationship is. It's so unique to dogs. It's so different than any other animal.
Yeah.
You know?
Well, it's like.
They're concerned about you. Yeah. Like, other animals, I don't think are concerned about you. Like, your cat's. not that concerned about you.
I don't know.
Like, if you're in pain.
. You just fucking face off if you die and shit. Yeah.
If you, like, you, break your leg, your cat's gonna go, oh, this guy's fucking loud. Let me go over there.
That fucking snap really.
Yeah. The other day, we were working out in the gym with all the comedians and Marshall was with us. And I start kicking the bag. And he starts barking. He starts jumping up and down and barking.
Because he thinks, like, some shit's going down. Is that bag fucking with you? Like, what's happening here? I don't know. I was like, that's hilarious.
Like, all the other stuff that we did. We did all those kettlebell workouts. We pushed the sled. That was all fine. But once I started hitting the bag, he's like...
What the fuck is going on?
They can tell the difference, dude. They can tell the difference between, like, actual...
Violence. Yeah. Yeah, they understand what violence is. Yeah. It's weird.
It is, dude.
It's like, how does he.
. Why is that different to him than me lifting a thing? Or me grunting or pushing a sled? Like, I don't understand.
But that's totally why we kept him around. Yeah. Because we're like, as soon as shit starts to go down, you jump in. Yeah. I'm gonna get my knife.
Yeah. You take care of... You hit him low, I'll hit him high.
They know that they're with you. Yeah, they have to protect you. You get to eat this motherfucker. That happens with people, you know, if they get in some sort of a... Like brothers and sisters getting fights together.
The dog fucking tries to jump in. It happens all the time. Yeah. You know, if two girls are beating the shit out of each other and a dog jumps in...
At a party, dude. How many times have you seen that? Somebody's just pushing and shoving the pitbulls. Got your arm.
Oh, no. And then you got nerve damage. No. It's like a fucking alligator. Oh, dude.
Those fucking things.
Yeah, they don't understand that either. Yeah. Especially dudes. They get a little too loud when they're playing.
Yeah.
And the dog's like, oh, some shit's going down.
The dog's like, you think. so? Yeah. Motherfucker.
Motherfucker. This isn't your house. Yeah. This is my house. Yeah.
And I'm not drunk.
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