Do You Know Where All Your Money Is Going?

2023-12-05 01:57:50

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show where we help people build wealth, do work that they love, and create amazing relationships. I am Rachel Cruz, hosting this hour with best-selling author, Dr. John Deloney, and man, I'm getting over something, but my voice sounds terrible now that I'm hearing it in my ears.

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Sounds all like smoky and sultry, like, hey, everybody, welcome to the world headquarters of Ramsey Solutions.

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888-825-5225.. Give us a call. We'll talk about your money, your relationships, your work, and your life. All right. First up, we have Stacey in Atlanta.

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Hey, Stacey. Welcome to the show.

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Hi, Rachel. Hi, Dr. John. What's up? It's a perfect pair for this question.

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My mother recently passed away from dementia, and when my brother and I sell her house, I'll come into some inheritance, and all during this process of us caring for her financially and supporting her through her health, trying to keep her out of a memory care and all of that, I swore to myself, if there's any money left at the end of this, I'm buying long-term care insurance so that my kids don't have to go through this.

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But I keep questioning myself because my husband and I am 59, he's 60.. We have not paid off our house, but we're set everywhere else, so we're baby step six.

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So I don't know if you want some numbers or...

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What's your main question? Because you're on the right track, is what you're saying. You guys want long-term care insurance, which is something when you're 60 that we recommend.

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Or apply it to paying down the house, the mortgage.

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Here's where I would suggest to go forward, two things. One is, go forward with the insurance. Two, you're entering into a window, right? The longer you wait now, the more expensive it gets. And so it's already going to be expensive.

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I'll tell you one of, if not the greatest gift my parents ever gave me through my whole childhood. After I was going into all these homes with the police department and dealing with death notifications and taking care of people who had just been widowed, I remember calling my dad and saying, man, this is really like weighing on me. Do you all have a plan? Right? And we kind of talked through, and he did.

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But for Christmas that year, they got all of us kids, they got themselves long-term care insurance. And I remember exhaling in a way that I didn't realize I was holding my breath, because in the back of my mind, I'd always been thinking, well, if something happens to mom, we're going to... And I didn't realize I was doing that, but I was. And when they said, hey, Merry Christmas, this stuff's expensive, so we didn't really get you all anything other than this and a couple of books, I just went, oh, whew. And so I would tell you on behalf of everybody, I think it's a wise decision.

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Yeah. And it's not part of the baby steps, Stacey, but we do look at insurance as one of these foundational principles. Like if you were a young couple with little kids, we'd say you need life insurance, right? And, Stacey, if anyone's dependent upon your income, you guys still need life insurance, which is different than long-term care. So these kinds of things that you have in your life, that are part of your financial picture, is regardless of baby steps.

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So I really do think, yeah, at your age, this is regardless. if on your... Even if you're on baby step two, I would say this is still something to look into, because, to John's point, it's only going to get more expensive. And if something does happen, it's insurance. It's there to catch those really expensive costs that hopefully are not anytime soon, but long-term.

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But I would, yes, I would go ahead and do that. And then also for your house, how much do you guys owe on the house?

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$250,000..

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Okay. And how much do you guys make?

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About $210,000..

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Okay. That's great. And do you have kids at home at all, or are they all grown and gone? No. Yeah.

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They're grown and gone. Okay.

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That's great. When you sell this house, when you sell your mom's house, what kind of inheritance are you going to bring home after you split it with everybody?

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About $100,000..

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That's great.

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So on an income of $210,000, and you take that $100,000 and apply it to your mortgage, because I can't think of something I would rather my kids have than a paid-for home when I go. Like a place they can always call home that nobody can take from them. I would love for my children to use that as their inheritance for that. And so that would drop your mortgage, your principal, down to $150,000, you make $210,000, you could knock that out in a couple of years and it should be done.

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Have you priced out, Stacey, your long-term care? Because you keep talking about how expensive it is, and I'm just curious, your health situation or what numbers you're pulling.

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I've talked to my financial advisor and he was saying it's about $50,000 a person for about $500,000 worth of long-term care insurance. So that takes it all.

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But hold on, are you talking about buying a whole life policy?

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That's one of those hybrid policies.

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Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Please, don't do that.

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No, no, no, no. So what you're pricing out is extremely expensive, because they're putting you into a whole life type of insurance.

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Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

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Yeah, you don't need to do that. So what I would do is I would look up... I think Zander does carry long-term care insurance.

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If they don't, they'll direct you in the right place.

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Yeah, go to zander.com, Stacey, because that's a terrible financial product of what your financial advisor is trying to get you in. And if you guys don't have people dependent on your income, you don't even need life insurance. And whole life insurance, yes, they do all these scams within it and these investments and this and that and that. They try to sell products within it, and it just ends up costing a lot, which long-term care insurance, it's not inexpensive, but it shouldn't be that expensive. And especially upfront, they're asking you to pay for the whole policy.

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So, Stacey, look at options. And again, go to zander.com and call them. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do have long-term care. It may just be term life right now. But talk to them, because they're a trusted people that are in this insurance world, and they know all of this stuff.

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But yeah, go ahead and get a second opinion and maybe even a third opinion, right? Shop this.

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Please, don't buy a whole life policy. Please, please, please, please.

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Not good.

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And just, Rachel, it feels like a snaky thing.

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From her financial advisor? Yes.

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I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels gross to me that they're going to sell you on an expensive product when you.

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Yeah, it just feels gross.

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And the whole thing about whole life, Stacey, you have to understand, because a lot of, there are financial advisors out there that sell these kinds of products. And either them themselves know that they're getting a great back end, and so they're just like, hey, we're going to kind of push this product because we're making something off of it. Or some of them are just ignorant. Some of them literally have been sold this bag of goods too, and they believe that this is the best thing. But when you run the numbers and you actually look at the options, Stacey, it's terrible like it is.

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And so stay away from anything. universal life, whole life, all of it, because they do, they try to tack on all these different types of insurance, and it becomes extremely expensive. And if you had invested part of that money, right, if you went and did long-term care insurance with someone else, it's just purely long-term care. There's no insurance, whole life, parts of that.

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There's no package.

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And yeah, and you invested the remaining part. How much you're going to have left too, Stacey, for your kids, right? So there's so many different options. Go ahead and price that out, but do not, I would not go with that product at all. And you don't even need life insurance at this point.

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if you and your husband, if there's people not dependent upon your income and there's enough for, like burial costs and all that, like you, do want to look at that process. But...

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Stacey, also, while you're at it, you and your husband call one of our SmartVestor pros, because I want you to get a second opinion on the person taking care, walking alongside you with your retirement, because I don't know that you're getting the best advice.

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Welcome back to the Ramsey Show. I am, Rachel Cruz, hosting this hour with Dr. John Deloney, and we are taking your calls. Next up, we have Mia in Boston. Hi, Mia.

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Welcome to the show.

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Hi. Thanks for taking my call.

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Absolutely. How can we help?

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So, I'm on Baby Step 2 with my husband, and our car broke. So, we're stacking cash to replace it. And we're in the suck. And last month, I busted my butt to earn about $3,000 on side gigs. The intent was to cover a small Christmas budget and pay off debt, which then got transitioned to stacking cash for the car replacement.

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After repairs and a cut in hours at my husband's job, we only ended up paying $1,000 towards the car after replacing the emergency fund. So, side gig hours are reduced this month, and the budget shows we're doing every dollar. We do a budget every month since July when we started this. And we have about $200 left in the budget this month. And it's so early in the month.

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And I'm really worried that we won't have enough money to even finish the month. And my husband thinks I'm just being pessimistic. And so, I'm just calling to see, like, is this normal to have this much of a setback?

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So, yes, I would say, for sure. And that's part of this. I mean, you guys are six months in to this. How much have you paid off so far?

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We've paid off about $16,000, I think.

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Good for you guys. How much do you have left?

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Over $30,000..

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Okay. No, you're great. You're doing awesome. And how much do you guys make a year?

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About $140,000.. Okay.

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Good for you guys. And doing some side hustle stuff. Yeah. So, Mia, I feel like one of the frustrating parts, I can think of. just life, right?

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But, especially if you're on a really intense plan like this, is that you wish life was just a gradual, you know, line upward. But it's not. It is an up and down, up and down. It almost looks like the stock market when you look at that chart, right? I mean, life just happens.

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And the great thing about you guys, though, is that you've had a plan. I mean, before this, if life happened, you probably had no savings. You had debt. I mean, all of this, right? Maybe living paycheck to paycheck.

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And so, I think the positive end of this is that, even though it feels like, oh, my gosh, it's a step backwards. It's going to feel like that because it is. But that doesn't mean that it has to continue like that. And it won't. Even though these are the times that it can be so discouraging.

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But that is life. And we see that all the time, Mia. People call in. I mean, this is, this is. I'm like, you're going to go through life.

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People deal with health issues. They deal with job changes and losses, and moves and expenses all the time that they were not expecting. And that's so common. It's so common. But when something like a car breaks down, I get it.

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It's like, it is. so, it's so discouraging because it feels like all your hard work went to a stupid car. And you're just like, oh, my gosh. We want to pay this debt down. So, I hear you.

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I want to say that that is so normal, even though it sucks. Like, that's not fun. And the $200 buffer. I mean, I get it because $200 can just go like that, right? I'm like, it doesn't feel like a lot after a while.

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But I would say, if you guys stick to it and maybe you pull back from Christmas even more in this season and do a couple of things there, I think you're going to be okay. But I think your fear and concern is valid. So, your husband saying that you're being a pessimist, I don't think so. I think there's a level of a realist of like, things could happen and this $200 could just be gone in an instance. But I also think that you guys are planned and you know what's going on.

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And that's going to give you more direction and more confidence than probably you're giving it credit for.

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Okay. Yeah. I mean, he's wise, but it just feels like we're not getting anywhere. And he keeps saying like, it's just two years. It's just two years and we're only six months in.

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And it just feels like we're not. Like, we were so close to paying off our next debt, which was our last car loan. And he said the difference is that the old us would have just driven to the dealership and taken out another loan.

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That's exactly right.

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And the new us is going to drive this crappy car, which is on its last leg and just work harder and try to save the money. But I'm so tired. I've worked so much extra time and it was just so disheartening to, like... I worked... I basically didn't even have like a day off for almost 30 days.

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And I thought I was going to be pulling in $3,000 and he said it's like a thousand. So, all that for $1,000.. It's so disheartening.

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But it wasn't just for $1,000.. You saved your family from going back over the cliff.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to... This is going to sound crazy. Would it be weird for somebody in your house to say the phrase, hell yeah?

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No.

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Okay. You're like, no, no. I want you to make like a hell yeah journal. And it's kind of a gratitude journal on steroids. Because, as you're working through this, you earned $3,000 on top of your regular job this month.

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And you, my friend, kept your family from sliding back into a deeper hole than you even started from. Because you're right. Y'all would have gone to get a car loan and you would have got something nice. And while you were there, they would have been running an end of year special and you would have ended up getting way deeper in the hole than you even started this whole thing with. And so, I want you to, like...

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You saved your life.

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Like...

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You saved your family. You did it.

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You did the plan.

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Yeah.

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And even though it goes to something stupid like a car. Because the car broke. Right? Like, I get it. Like, I get it.

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It's frustrating.

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So, I want you to write these things down on a regular basis. Like, dude, I worked... I didn't have a day off for 30 days. Hell yeah. I earned $3,000 on top of my paycheck.

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That goes in the journal. And that way, when you have these setbacks... And you know what? I hate to be. Debbie Downer.

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Your refrigerator is going to go out in the next six months. I just promise you it will. I promise. But you all have continued to work, and work and work. Let me ask you a hard question.

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You all make $140,000..

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What is it about your expense ratio? Because that's a really good salary. What is it about your expenses going out the door that you can barely breathe like that? Because your debt is $30,000.. That's not an astronomical ratio.

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Do you all have really expensive cars or a really expensive home?

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No. No. We went into debt because we had four kids in braces, medically necessary, so really expensive, not covered by insurance. So, we went into debt last year and then adopted this program, got on a budget. And, just like you guys said, getting on a budget, like suddenly we had a ream.

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And we had money to start paying down the debt, which is why we've been able to pay down the debt in the past few months. Our cars are all over 10 years old. We have a really low mortgage payment. I have five kids and they eat a lot. That's a lot coming in and out.

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Excellent. Okay. I totally get that, man. Kids, yes, they will eat everything, all things, and then more. I know it sounds so trite, but don't just hang in there.

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Celebrate where you are. And I know you're like, ugh. And with five kids, $200 feels like somebody could sneeze and you're going to spend $200.. I get that. I would lean on my husband's optimism in this season and then keep grinding away at it, keep grinding away.

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I'll tell you this, on the back end, you are providing your kids a life-changing picture of what hard work looks like, what breaking chains looks like, what changing your family tree looks like. When things that are hard come up in their life, which they will, economic problems, war, relationship issues, their own financial issues, they will have a crystal clear picture of the time. Mom and Dad didn't even get each other something for Christmas because they had something bigger in mind that was changing their family tree. They will remember the months Mom worked every day of the week and missed recitals and missed games and made us cook our own dinner because she was so focused on setting the family free. None of your efforts are lost.

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It's disappointing that you didn't put $3,000 down, you only got $1,000 down. But, man, you are changing everything. I'm proud of you.

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Yeah, no, absolutely. And I think that's a fear from a lot of parents is, oh my gosh, I'm going to miss out on this time with my kids. If we're doing this for 18 months, even you saying I'm missing recitals and practices and all the things because I'm sacrificing to get us in a position where we can actually breathe as a family, a lot of people see that as complete detriment, but it's not.

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There could not be a better lesson. I promise you, if you have to decide, well, my kid's got a travel soccer game that I just have to go to, or, hey, son, I'm going to sit down, we're going to have breakfast together at the house, we're going to have cereal, because that's what we're eating right now, we're going to have oatmeal, I'm working really hard to get our family out of debt, and so I'm going to miss this game. I'm going to be thinking about you. I want you to call me the moment you walk off that field, but I also want you to know your daddy or your mom is working really hard to set this family free.

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Yeah, and I would say this, too. It's not in the vein of, like, I'm a workaholic and I'm just going to work and work, and work until the day is long. Nope. There's a plan. There's a goal.

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There's a time set and there's a goal, a very noble goal in the midst of all of that. So remember that, parents. This is The Ramsey Show.

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Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I am, Rachel Cruz, hosting this hour with Dr. John Deloney. We are taking your calls. It's a free call, anywhere in the country at 888-825-5225..

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And it was the number one bestseller. It did well.

1Speaker 1
00:21:42.30 – 00:21:42.46

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:21:42.46 – 00:21:54.34

So, I grew up the son of a police officer and a minister, and my wife grew up the daughter of two teachers. And then we had number one bestselling book money, which was something we'd never experienced.

00:21:55.90 – 00:22:11.18

And I had seen an escalation in our kids' Christmas and me continuing to try to show them how much I love them by how much stuff I bought. And last year was a madhouse. I overdid it. I went bananas.

1Speaker 1
00:22:11.18 – 00:22:11.64

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:22:12.26 – 00:22:17.68

And this year, in preparation, Sheila said way early, we have to be responsible.

00:22:19.56 – 00:22:37.28

And so, my son and I, we go to – I talk about this a lot. We go to breakfast every week, and he's 13.. And about a month and a half ago, during breakfast, I said, listen, Christmas is going to look different this year. The last few years, I just keep buying more and more stuff, more and more stuff. You and your sister, you'll have enough stuff.

00:22:38.28 – 00:22:54.54

We're going to buy a couple of things that are important. We think maybe one or two nice things. And we're going to give a lot of stuff away. And we're just going to spend time together having some adventure. And my son's response, he got quiet, and he said, Dad, I don't think you can do it.

00:22:55.16 – 00:22:56.38

And here's what he was saying.

1Speaker 1
00:22:56.64 – 00:22:57.46

Hank, raise the bar.

2Speaker 2
00:22:57.66 – 00:23:13.88

Hank was not saying, are you serious? You're not going to get us a – he said – he was expressing, I know, Dad, it's overwhelming. But I think you buy gifts for us, for you. And so I tell everybody that for this. My kid's not – I mean, he's special, and he's my son.

00:23:13.92 – 00:23:32.04

He's the smartest kid and best-looking kid, all that stuff. That's not the point. The point is if you'll sit down and have a direct, honest conversation with your kids about the state of your financial life in your home, like our last caller. We lost – we got hours cut. We're trying to get a debt, fill in the blank.

00:23:32.74 – 00:23:49.72

If you'll be honest with them and say, here's what we're going to do, they're with you. You know why? Because they feel the tension in their home. They know something's not right. And if you say, hey, this is going to be a different kind of Christmas, you and your sister, you and your brother, you and all five of your brothers and sisters, you're only going to get three gifts this year.

00:23:49.90 – 00:23:58.00

That's what we're going to do, and they're not going to be big. And I just want you to know ahead of time. we have a plan, but we're going to do some different things this year. We're going to go hang out. We're going to play.

00:23:59.00 – 00:24:04.82

Have that conversation with your kids, and I'm telling you they're going to respond in a positive way. Yes. I'm telling you.

1Speaker 1
00:24:04.82 – 00:24:30.18

Well, and it sounds so silly because it's so simple, but, John, I'm like, we, over Thanksgiving, we took the kids, we went and got all the bikes, went to an empty parking lot at a high school nearby, and they just literally rode bikes in this big empty parking lot for probably two hours. We went on a hike the next day. We just did so much stuff with them, activity-wise. And then we go and clean out the playroom closet, and they're like, oh, that's good, that's good. But all they can talk about is riding bikes in the parking lot.

00:24:30.24 – 00:24:30.64

Do you know what I mean?

00:24:32.24 – 00:24:43.52

But yet we get sucked into this consumerism and this Christmas and Amazon big catalog they send, and the kids are looking through it. I want this, and I want that. And you just get caught up in it when you just stop.

2Speaker 2
00:24:43.64 – 00:24:45.10

They want you. Oh, my gosh, yes.

1Speaker 1
00:24:45.10 – 00:24:45.38

They want you.

2Speaker 2
00:24:45.62 – 00:24:46.88

They want time with their parents.

1Speaker 1
00:24:47.18 – 00:24:53.94

It's just crap that we buy, crap. that's 80 pieces, and you're just like, oh, my God, get all of it away. Get all of it away. It's all these little things.

2Speaker 2
00:24:54.36 – 00:25:00.60

How many people have you talked to who went to Disney World with their kid, and all their kid comes back talking about? was the hotel pool?

00:25:02.64 – 00:25:05.96

Just your kids want you. That's right. They want you. They want you. They want you.

00:25:06.24 – 00:25:21.06

So have the conversation. if your finances are tight this year. And if your finances are not tight this year, don't use Christmas as a way to sing and dance in front of your kids. Like they don't want your song and dance. They want you.

00:25:21.12 – 00:25:21.40

That's right.

1Speaker 1
00:25:21.78 – 00:25:27.66

That's right. All right, let's go to the phones. We got Kelsey in Austin, Texas. Hey, Kelsey, welcome to the show.

3Speaker 3
00:25:29.00 – 00:25:32.54

Hey, y'all. Merry Christmas, and thank you for taking my call. How are you guys?

1Speaker 1
00:25:32.78 – 00:25:35.04

Merry Christmas, Kelsey. I don't think I've said that yet on the show.

2Speaker 2
00:25:35.22 – 00:25:37.16

And that was a good Texas, hey, y'all.

3Speaker 3
00:25:37.38 – 00:26:17.94

That was awesome. Thank you guys so much. So my question is, my husband and I are in baby step two, and we have a really great opportunity to move back home to North Carolina and start the process of taking over a 100-year-old family business. But we are about, like, we'll be lucky if we break even on our house here just outside of Austin. And so really my question is, do we wait until we have more equity in our home to move, or do we kind of take that opportunity and, like, try to just break even with our house here?

1Speaker 1
00:26:18.66 – 00:26:20.74

Yeah, I wouldn't wait.

2Speaker 2
00:26:20.74 – 00:26:36.54

I was going to say, I've bought and sold multiple houses in my life, Kelsey. And one of those times, because the economic incentive on the back end was so important, I ended up having to take a check to closing. I technically lost money on my house. Okay. Not a lot.

00:26:36.62 – 00:26:47.24

It was a little bit. It was, like, $4,000.. That was the check I had to take to closing, which sounds bananas. But the following year, my wife and I paid off six figures of debt. And so the tradeoff was definitely worth it.

1Speaker 1
00:26:47.32 – 00:26:54.64

Yes, yes. So the tradeoff, for sure, for you guys. And, Kelsey, you guys are on Baby Step, too. So when you move back home, I would rent. Don't buy again.

00:26:54.68 – 00:26:58.82

Yeah. Rent while you guys get out of debt. How much debt do you guys have left to pay off?

3Speaker 3
00:26:59.58 – 00:27:01.74

We have about $40,000 left.

1Speaker 1
00:27:01.88 – 00:27:08.06

Okay. And what's your income? Is it going to go up or down this first year with the new transition of the job?

3Speaker 3
00:27:09.22 – 00:27:16.56

It'll actually go up for both of us. For my husband, it'll go up. And then I will also get a promotion with my company.

1Speaker 1
00:27:17.96 – 00:27:28.96

Oh, good. Okay, great. Yeah, I wouldn't let the house stop me, honestly. I would sell it. And don't try to be a long-distance landlord and keep it and rent it and wait for the market, all of it.

00:27:29.08 – 00:27:45.14

It's just, you know, we always say with real estate, whether you're buying, whether you're selling, whatever it is, it's when is a good time for you, right? You're looking at your situation. You're not trying to gauge the market, because we don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what's going on. But one thing I do know, Kelsey, yeah, since you guys are on Baby Step, too, do not buy.

00:27:45.36 – 00:28:07.92

Just go and rent for a few years. Make sure to get this debt paid off. Get a good fully-funded emergency fund and then put down, you know, say 5% for a good down payment, to 5% to 20% or more if you want to, for a down payment. But I would not rush back into homeownership, which can be hard when you've done it, and then you feel like, oh, my gosh, we're going back to renting. But that's going to be the smartest move for you guys.

3Speaker 3
00:28:08.18 – 00:28:11.14

No, we did it not well this first time.

1Speaker 1
00:28:11.22 – 00:28:12.22

Okay, so you feel it.

3Speaker 3
00:28:12.56 – 00:28:15.80

Yeah, absolutely. I'm like, let's wait until we're totally ready.

2Speaker 2
00:28:16.24 – 00:28:18.64

What's this business? you're going back to take over?

3Speaker 3
00:28:19.78 – 00:28:20.58

What was that, John? Sorry.

2Speaker 2
00:28:20.72 – 00:28:22.18

What's the business you're going to take over?

3Speaker 3
00:28:23.32 – 00:28:28.22

It's actually a 100-year-old furniture business. So we're really, really excited.

1Speaker 1
00:28:28.34 – 00:28:30.32

That's great. Whose side of the family. is it? Yours or his?

3Speaker 3
00:28:31.10 – 00:28:32.36

It's on his side of the family.

1Speaker 1
00:28:32.46 – 00:28:36.96

Okay, okay. That's great. And you're able to keep your job when you guys move? Yeah, yeah.

3Speaker 3
00:28:37.50 – 00:28:43.50

I'm fully remote and it's a Fortune 500 company. So, yeah, I'm able to move, which is such a blessing.

1Speaker 1
00:28:43.74 – 00:28:44.44

Yeah, that's awesome.

2Speaker 2
00:28:44.44 – 00:28:50.72

Have you all counted the cost to your souls on what it's going to be like to leave the Lone Star State?

3Speaker 3
00:28:52.18 – 00:29:04.12

You know, we honestly, we came here for the military and then we transitioned out, and we love Texas. But, John, why is Texas a whole country? It's so far from everything.

2Speaker 2
00:29:04.22 – 00:29:13.24

You live there. You know why it is. Hey, listen, when we told people we were moving to Nashville, multiple people took me out for a drink or for coffee.

1Speaker 1
00:29:14.64 – 00:29:16.18

Double checking that you're okay leaving?

2Speaker 2
00:29:17.02 – 00:29:24.74

It's just the right move. You're leaving the motherland. You know Al-Qaeda's waiting for you on the Arkansas border. They're waiting. And I was like, I think we're going to be all right.

1Speaker 1
00:29:24.74 – 00:29:27.24

Texas people are so bizarre with their states.

2Speaker 2
00:29:28.16 – 00:29:29.62

They're just proud of their home.

1Speaker 1
00:29:29.82 – 00:29:31.18

Which, I guess so.

2Speaker 2
00:29:31.28 – 00:29:33.58

Good for you. Get out of there, Kelsey. Go for it. Go Vols.

1Speaker 1
00:29:37.70 – 00:29:56.14

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00:29:56.40 – 00:30:23.72

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00:30:24.18 – 00:30:36.92

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00:30:39.58 – 00:30:55.26

Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. I am, Rachel Cruz, hosting this hour with Dr. John Deloney and taking your questions at 888-825-5225.. It's a free call anywhere in the country. Up next, we have Jamie in San Antonio.

00:30:55.82 – 00:30:57.32

Hey, Jamie. Welcome to the show.

3Speaker 3
00:30:58.30 – 00:31:00.12

Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

1Speaker 1
00:31:00.30 – 00:31:01.48

Absolutely. How can I help?

3Speaker 3
00:31:02.02 – 00:31:05.34

If I needed a dream team to help me, you two are the ones I would pick.

2Speaker 2
00:31:05.76 – 00:31:06.54

We got you.

1Speaker 1
00:31:06.54 – 00:31:08.98

We are here for you, Jamie. We are here for you.

2Speaker 2
00:31:09.12 – 00:31:09.62

What's up?

3Speaker 3
00:31:09.72 – 00:31:16.98

I need you. I have a very simple question and a very messy situation. At what point do I stop investing?

00:31:19.18 – 00:31:24.32

Kind of what's going on, I'm 45, I'm disabled, and I'm freshly divorced.

00:31:25.86 – 00:31:43.54

So I'm on a set income and I need to start making a budget and I'm not sure what to do with my money. I bring in about $4,000 a month, but I only spend about $1,500.. I'm debt-free and I have a little over $650,000 in brokerage accounts.

1Speaker 1
00:31:45.20 – 00:31:46.24

$600,000 in what?

3Speaker 3
00:31:47.04 – 00:31:48.00

$50,000..

1Speaker 1
00:31:48.14 – 00:31:49.92

$50,000.. Good for you, Jamie. Okay.

3Speaker 3
00:31:51.00 – 00:31:59.32

This is from the divorce. Okay. I received probably 90%. He received maybe $10,000.. Okay.

00:31:59.32 – 00:32:10.78

But I feel like I cannot make any financial mistakes because I cannot go out and get a job. If anything goes wrong, I'm scared. Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:32:11.62 – 00:32:20.04

Jamie, I want you to do me a huge favor. I want you to take as deep breath as you possibly can, and I want you to hold it for a count of three. Okay? Do it. Take it deep in.

00:32:20.94 – 00:32:25.12

Hold it. One, two, three. Let it out.

00:32:26.64 – 00:32:29.68

Okay. Okay. I want you to hear me as directly as you can. Okay?

00:32:31.70 – 00:32:33.14

Financially, you're in great shape.

3Speaker 3
00:32:35.26 – 00:32:35.62

Okay.

2Speaker 2
00:32:35.88 – 00:32:36.10

Okay?

3Speaker 3
00:32:37.20 – 00:32:37.80

Hold it.

2Speaker 2
00:32:38.40 – 00:32:39.24

You're in great shape.

3Speaker 3
00:32:40.26 – 00:32:42.24

I can hear the words, but I just can't.

2Speaker 2
00:32:42.28 – 00:32:47.44

I know you can't. I know. But when you get scared in the middle of the night, I want you to hear those words. What happened in your marriage?

3Speaker 3
00:32:56.44 – 00:32:58.82

He's been cheating on me for a while.

00:33:01.44 – 00:33:04.06

He's recently admitted that he has a sex addiction.

2Speaker 2
00:33:05.42 – 00:33:07.56

So it's been going on with a lot of people, huh?

3Speaker 3
00:33:08.50 – 00:33:09.60

A lot of people.

00:33:11.40 – 00:33:12.54

I found out.

00:33:15.42 – 00:33:17.60

I couldn't stay. I couldn't.

2Speaker 2
00:33:18.02 – 00:33:19.44

No. No, no, no.

3Speaker 3
00:33:19.44 – 00:33:42.72

My kids are broken, and I'm broken. So on paper, it looks so good. And I know that because I've been Dave Ramsey since 2009.. I'm better than I deserve, but I'm afraid I'm going to make a bad decision. I'm afraid I'm going to become a shopping addict.

00:33:42.72 – 00:33:54.32

I can't eat my emotions because I've had bypass surgery. I cannot drink alcohol. I can't smoke. I can't. So I'm stuck here having to deal with this.

00:33:55.88 – 00:34:13.52

And I'm scared. So I have, back to the question, I have about $2,000 plus extra each month. I have $650,000 in brokerage. Can I just take a break? Can I just go on vacation when I want to?

00:34:14.34 – 00:34:17.64

Or what do I do?

1Speaker 1
00:34:18.08 – 00:34:22.42

Yeah, yeah. Oh, Jamie, how recent was all this?

3Speaker 3
00:34:24.68 – 00:34:27.84

The divorce was final in September.

1Speaker 1
00:34:28.56 – 00:34:29.10

Okay.

2Speaker 2
00:34:29.50 – 00:34:41.68

So my rule of thumb, I always tell people, is no big decisions for six months to a year. Okay? That doesn't mean don't go out with your kids. You'll need to go somewhere and just be together.

3Speaker 3
00:34:42.80 – 00:34:55.24

I had some medical issues, and I received—we had two homes. I received both of them in the divorce. I sold the first one, and I moved 16 hours south. I had to get away from him. I had to move.

00:34:56.30 – 00:35:12.58

And I have my son with me, and my daughter is in college, and she will not talk with him. She won't. And so I'm constantly the in-between. And so I'm covering every bomb that he throws, and the kids just don't know what he's doing wrong. And so I'm worn out.

00:35:13.20 – 00:35:22.46

But then I'm also keep thinking at some point I'm going to break, and is it going to be a financial bad decision? Is it going to be—what is it?

2Speaker 2
00:35:22.78 – 00:35:28.08

Have you broken before? Because you keep mentioning this. Have you lost control before?

3Speaker 3
00:35:29.54 – 00:35:33.10

No. I think it's a control issue. I can only control my money right now.

2Speaker 2
00:35:33.60 – 00:35:39.60

That's not true. I can't control him. Hold on, hold on. That's not true. You can't control him, but you can control you.

00:35:39.92 – 00:35:44.68

Have you struggled with addiction before? Have you struggled with out-of-control behavior before?

3Speaker 3
00:35:46.22 – 00:35:48.64

My brother died of addiction last year.

2Speaker 2
00:35:48.86 – 00:35:49.06

Okay.

3Speaker 3
00:35:50.62 – 00:35:59.14

And so I'm very aware of slip-falls.

2Speaker 2
00:35:59.66 – 00:36:01.08

I get that, but is that you?

1Speaker 1
00:36:01.30 – 00:36:01.58

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
00:36:01.72 – 00:36:05.28

Because I hear a very strong woman whose entire world just blew up.

1Speaker 1
00:36:06.62 – 00:36:25.52

Yeah, and Jamie, one thing John has said, and I've heard you say this before, which I feel like is so true right now, what I'm hearing from you, Jamie, is that, especially when someone walks through a situation where there's been dishonesty, broken trust, infidelity, like anything in that category, the spouse on the other end questions, oh my gosh, can I trust myself?

2Speaker 2
00:36:25.64 – 00:36:26.52

Yeah, you've lost trust in you.

1Speaker 1
00:36:26.52 – 00:36:34.42

Because I feel like I was trusting him, and then he comes up living this completely different life. How am I—am I the crazy one? You know, like you—.

3Speaker 3
00:36:34.42 – 00:36:41.22

Well, that's what he told me for years, is I was the crazy one, and I made it all up, and I was manipulated for 10 years by him.

2Speaker 2
00:36:41.48 – 00:36:42.20

That's right.

1Speaker 1
00:36:43.04 – 00:37:03.68

Which is obviously the complete opposite of what's going on. So, Jamie, all of that, you are sitting here and second-guessing yourself on everything. You know, you're second-guessing yourself that you're going to have a shopping addiction because your brother struggled with addiction, but you haven't struggled with addiction. You're trusting yourself that I'm going to spend all of this money, $650,000.. I don't know if I can trust myself with money.

00:37:04.12 – 00:37:21.34

You can't trust yourself with money. You've been doing this stuff since 2009 of how to handle money. well, right? So, I want you, again—and I don't even know how to, like, walk you through that, but I want to give you confidence as a long-distance friend that's met you for two minutes. Tell you, Jamie, you can trust yourself more than you're giving yourself credit for.

00:37:21.46 – 00:37:35.00

So, just hear an outside voice say that, because you're questioning every part of your life, which is understandable. Like, hear me say that. Yeah, yeah. Understandable. But for someone on just the outside looking in, I just want to say that truth over you, that you can trust yourself, okay?

2Speaker 2
00:37:35.18 – 00:37:47.46

You're not crazy. I want to ask you this question. Yeah, you—like, repeat that to yourself. You're not crazy. You were married to a sociopath who put you in extreme danger by having multiple, multiple sex partners you didn't know about.

00:37:48.26 – 00:38:00.24

Right. And destroyed the trust that—and gaslit you the whole way. So, you're not crazy. Now, I'm going to ask you some direct questions. Are you going to blow all $650,000 of this money?

3Speaker 3
00:38:01.58 – 00:38:01.98

No.

2Speaker 2
00:38:02.10 – 00:38:04.06

Okay. Are you going to take care of your kids?

3Speaker 3
00:38:05.64 – 00:38:06.86

Absolutely. Every day.

2Speaker 2
00:38:07.16 – 00:38:07.26

Okay.

3Speaker 3
00:38:07.42 – 00:38:07.96

Every second.

2Speaker 2
00:38:08.22 – 00:38:10.24

Are you going to honor and take care of Jamie?

3Speaker 3
00:38:11.62 – 00:38:12.38

I'm trying.

2Speaker 2
00:38:12.88 – 00:38:30.52

Okay. You are. Now, you have to, have to—priority number one, full stop—you have to get a couple of people in your life that will sit with you and have coffee. Now, that's going to be very difficult because you move 16 hours away, right? Yeah.

00:38:30.52 – 00:38:40.16

Whether that's a therapist, whether that's a counselor, whether that's a local church, you have to have people with you during this time, and it cannot be your kids. They can't be the person who—the people who prop you up, right?

3Speaker 3
00:38:40.92 – 00:38:41.22

Right.

2Speaker 2
00:38:42.10 – 00:38:50.60

And I would block husband. I would take him out of my—I would cut him off. X. There you go. Yeah, thank you for catching me on that one.

00:38:51.80 – 00:39:12.62

And at some point, because he is such an out-of-control, dishonest person, he's going to, at some point, try to snake his way back into his kids' lives. And I want him to have that—he's already started? Yep. Of course he has. I want you to have that conversation with your kids, that they get to walk away from somebody who is a sociopath, okay?

3Speaker 3
00:39:13.82 – 00:39:18.54

And that's okay. X. Because I keep telling them, like, he's your dad.

2Speaker 2
00:39:19.16 – 00:39:19.46

Hold on.

3Speaker 3
00:39:19.46 – 00:39:21.94

They don't know everything, obviously.

2Speaker 2
00:39:22.38 – 00:39:22.90

How old are they?

3Speaker 3
00:39:24.54 – 00:39:25.54

19 and 21..

2Speaker 2
00:39:25.96 – 00:39:26.18

Okay.

00:39:27.72 – 00:39:57.48

There is a way to tell the truth without telling them that their father is evil, okay? There's a way—let me rephrase that even more. There's a way to tell them that their father is very dishonest, has had a pattern of dishonesty, has not told the truth, put you at extreme risk, without saying your dad sucks and he's a terrible person, right? One of those is just running somebody down. The other is just telling the truth about what happened, okay?

00:39:58.72 – 00:40:12.84

That's okay. We're not going to disparage, but we're going to tell the truth, okay? All that to say, you've got to get some people in your life, hang on the line, and we're going to give you three free months of better help. I want you talking to a counselor before tomorrow is over. Thank you for the call.

1Speaker 1
00:40:12.96 – 00:40:20.10

Thank you, Jamie. Thanks to everyone in the booth. Thank you, John, for a great hour. Thank you, America, for listening. This is The Ramsey Show.

00:40:24.42 – 00:40:47.70

Live from the headquarters of Ramsey Solutions, it's The Ramsey Show, where we help people build wealth, do work that they love, and create amazing relationships. I am, Rachel Cruz, hosting this hour with bestselling author, Dr. John Deloney, and we are taking your calls. It's a free call anywhere in the country at 888-825-5225.. All right.

00:40:47.80 – 00:40:53.32

Up. first this hour, we have Stephen in Springfield. Hey, Stephen. Welcome to the show.

3Speaker 3
00:40:54.26 – 00:40:56.46

Hey. Good morning, or good afternoon, guys. How are you?

1Speaker 1
00:40:56.72 – 00:40:58.46

We're doing great. How can we help?

3Speaker 3
00:40:58.88 – 00:41:09.18

Good. I'm kind of in a position, so I'm really just kind of looking for some advice. My wife was involved in a car accident about a year, year and a half ago.

1Speaker 1
00:41:09.20 – 00:41:10.02

Oh, gosh. Is she okay?

3Speaker 3
00:41:10.02 – 00:41:39.16

Yeah, she ended up being okay. She almost had to have some surgeries and everything, and it affected her work. She's a hairstylist, so she works for herself. She had some hand injuries and things like that, so we incurred some medical bills and some time off work and everything else. My question is, I've got a list of our payments and what our debts are, and we're expecting to get about $22,750 back in a settlement.

00:41:40.26 – 00:41:56.96

From that accident, I was just wondering if you guys could help point me in the right direction, what we should maybe pay off, or if we should put it in our savings account and just sit on it and continue to make our monthly payments like normal, just kind of what the best course of action you guys thought would be.

1Speaker 1
00:41:57.14 – 00:41:59.78

Yeah, that's a good question. Do you guys have any money in savings right now?

3Speaker 3
00:42:00.70 – 00:42:08.52

Very little. So we actually have four kids. One of our kids is disabled. So, you know, it's kind of a back and forth thing.

1Speaker 1
00:42:09.26 – 00:42:14.64

So really nothing in savings. So what's your debt like? Give me a list of it and the amounts.

3Speaker 3
00:42:15.42 – 00:42:30.40

Yeah, so we owe about $44,600 on our house. We just incurred a new debt, which we had to buy her a vehicle. after the accident. Hers was totaled. We owe $21,000 on it.

00:42:30.94 – 00:42:44.52

We got a pickup that I drive. I owe $17,000 on it. Then we got a personal loan for about $2,000.. And then somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 to $5,500 in credit card debt.

2Speaker 2
00:42:45.14 – 00:42:46.98

Oh, Steven, you're not going to like what we say.

3Speaker 3
00:42:47.64 – 00:42:49.52

That's fine. No, that's what I'm looking for.

1Speaker 1
00:42:49.64 – 00:42:50.80

How much do you guys make a year, Steven?

3Speaker 3
00:42:51.82 – 00:42:53.24

About $75,000..

1Speaker 1
00:42:53.84 – 00:42:54.10

Okay.

00:42:59.18 – 00:42:59.94

Yes, so...

2Speaker 2
00:42:59.94 – 00:43:06.00

Okay, can I say it? Before you give it to him, Rachel, let me just say this. Steven, how'd you find us?

3Speaker 3
00:43:07.40 – 00:43:13.38

I was actually just scrolling through Facebook and ran across some Dave Ramsey videos and started listening.

2Speaker 2
00:43:13.80 – 00:43:14.62

How long ago?

3Speaker 3
00:43:15.54 – 00:43:16.76

Oh, not very.

2Speaker 2
00:43:17.48 – 00:43:17.80

Okay.

3Speaker 3
00:43:17.98 – 00:43:21.22

Probably three months ago, if that.

2Speaker 2
00:43:21.60 – 00:43:28.64

All right, so you are still in the entryway to our gang, right?

3Speaker 3
00:43:29.14 – 00:43:31.38

Yeah, you could call it the infancy, I guess.

2Speaker 2
00:43:31.38 – 00:43:37.78

Okay, so I'll be super gentle and kind, okay? I want you to begin to transform your language.

3Speaker 3
00:43:38.76 – 00:43:39.00

Okay.

2Speaker 2
00:43:39.28 – 00:43:56.48

From, we had to... I had to go take a loan out and buy a $21,000 car. I have to have a $17,000 truck. To, yeah, we chose to do that. Okay.

00:43:56.48 – 00:44:21.48

Okay, that's going to be key as Rachel walks through, because the other... When you approach life as reactive, life, did this, so I just have to do this. You will stay broke for the rest of your life. If you say, come what may, I will stand firm on a principle. I don't borrow any money outside of a mortgage, period.

00:44:21.68 – 00:44:30.04

Ever. And a mortgage only if I got to. Now you're about changing your entire family tree, okay? Okay. It's about taking ownership, okay?

00:44:30.18 – 00:44:30.66

All right, Rachel.

1Speaker 1
00:44:31.66 – 00:44:38.12

Steven, how much could you get for the $21,000 car? Have you, Kelly Blue, Booked any of these in your truck?

3Speaker 3
00:44:39.14 – 00:44:52.58

Yeah, so my truck's actually worth about $30,000 in today's market. I actually just looked it up the other day and actually had the dealership... The dealership called me the other day offering me $30,000 just to buy it outright from me.

1Speaker 1
00:44:52.58 – 00:44:53.44

Wow, okay.

3Speaker 3
00:44:54.40 – 00:44:57.54

Not interested in doing that. Well, I guess I could be.

2Speaker 2
00:44:57.66 – 00:44:59.30

You're going to. You're going to get real interested.

1Speaker 1
00:44:59.56 – 00:45:01.82

You might be in a second. How about the $21,000??

3Speaker 3
00:45:02.18 – 00:45:11.88

I could definitely be interested in that. And then I think my wife's van, it's probably worth right at what we owe on it.

1Speaker 1
00:45:12.32 – 00:45:13.14

Okay, okay.

00:45:14.82 – 00:45:18.04

And did you say you have $5,500 in credit card debt or $500?.

3Speaker 3
00:45:19.10 – 00:45:20.14

About $5,500..

1Speaker 1
00:45:20.52 – 00:45:25.48

Okay, and what is the credit card debt? What does that consist of? What were you guys swiping the credit card for?

3Speaker 3
00:45:26.60 – 00:45:36.58

You know, it really, I mean, it was kind of Christmas last year. and then, you know, and I listened to part of the show earlier where you're just talking about Christmas.

1Speaker 1
00:45:36.74 – 00:45:38.08

You're one of the 25%, Stephen.

3Speaker 3
00:45:38.98 – 00:45:45.30

Yeah, yeah, and I was really, kind of really hit home. Yeah. And then, you know, school closed and everything else.

1Speaker 1
00:45:45.30 – 00:45:56.70

Okay, okay. So it's just life. Okay, so one bright side of this, Stephen, to make you be like, okay, you're normal. You're normal. You guys literally are the every American family.

00:45:56.74 – 00:46:09.88

You got two car loans. You got some credit card debt. You got a personal loan, and you're just living life. But you probably feel like, Stephen, oh, my gosh, we work really hard, and I feel like we're broke. I feel like we're barely making by.

00:46:10.62 – 00:46:37.50

How is that possible? Okay, so that feeling that you're feeling is a flag that is raised in your emotions to say, like, okay, we're not doing this correctly. So the way you guys have been looking at money, because you caught on this show, the way we're going to advise you is a complete 180 of what you're, of how you've been looking at money. And here's the deal, too, Stephen. You have to realize, okay, I have to do a 180, because what I've been doing is getting me these results, and I don't want these results.

00:46:37.50 – 00:46:51.04

I want something different, which means my actions and my thought process have to be completely different now, right? So what we're going to say is probably going to radically shake you up, and you're going to be like, wait, these people are insane. Maybe a little, but we're also not broke.

2Speaker 2
00:46:51.34 – 00:46:53.60

We do these things in our own homes.

1Speaker 1
00:46:53.90 – 00:47:07.70

Yes, we live this stuff out, Stephen. So if I woke up in Stephen's shoes and your wife's shoes, here's what I would do. I'd sell your truck today, get the $30,000, go, get a $15,000 car. That debt's completely gone. You got a great truck, or great car, whatever you have, for $15,000..

00:47:07.70 – 00:47:22.72

You're calling it a day. I would take the $22,000 that you guys have, and I would knock out the personal loan. I would knock out the credit card debt, and then I would put anything else. that's there. I'm trying to do this quick math.

00:47:23.22 – 00:47:54.84

Anything else left at the car loan. So you guys will probably have about, I think, $15,000 left on the van, and I want you, Stephen, for about a year to work extra. I want you guys to take on extra jobs, either at your primary job. I want you to drive for Uber Eats. I want you to do the most radical stuff to earn extra money and get this van paid off, because you could look up in one year, Stephen, and your whole life looks completely different.

3Speaker 3
00:47:56.20 – 00:48:06.12

I actually just started a new, not new job, but a new side job, if you will. Oh, good. Okay. I'm a career firefighter. That's what I do for a living.

1Speaker 1
00:48:06.24 – 00:48:06.90

Okay, okay.

3Speaker 3
00:48:07.24 – 00:48:09.12

Frankly, there's no money in that.

1Speaker 1
00:48:10.62 – 00:48:31.04

Oh, shoot, Stephen. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. We're going into a break anyways, but all that to say, that's exactly what I would do, what I laid out for you, and it's going to feel different. It's going to feel uncomfortable. It's going to be strange, but I'm telling you, Stephen, this $22,000, if you guys get this settlement and you get this cash and you don't change anything, you don't cut up credit cards, you keep living your life, it's going to be gone.

00:48:31.42 – 00:48:41.42

It's going to be gone. Put it to good use. Put it to good use, and you guys could look up again in a year and be in a completely different position financially. So we're cheering you guys on. Thanks, Stephen.

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1Speaker 1
00:49:16.75 – 00:49:52.05

Welcome back to The Ramsey Show. If you are a new listener, like Stephen from the last segment, or an old listener that you've been with us for decades, one of the best things that you can do to help us get the word out about this show and get people the information that they need to help take control of their life and their money is to share the episodes of this show. So, whether it's on YouTube, whether it's on podcasts, it's one of the best ways to get the word out. I see this stuff all the time, even from my friends and family. We always will text podcasts that we're loving and all of it.

00:49:52.19 – 00:50:16.45

So add it to that group and those messages that you're sending out anyways, because, again, it helps us when it comes to getting hope and direction and guidance for people all over their lives or for their entire lives. So that would be a wonderful thing. So, again, share the show, subscribe, leave a review, share with a friend. All right, up. next we have Michael in Dallas, Texas.

00:50:16.45 – 00:50:18.07

Hey, Michael. Welcome to the show.

3Speaker 3
00:50:19.31 – 00:50:20.39

Hey, Rachel. Hey, John. How's it going?

1Speaker 1
00:50:20.77 – 00:50:22.15

Doing great. How can we help?

3Speaker 3
00:50:23.27 – 00:50:46.91

So I have a clothing business that I sell used men's clothing on eBay, and I've been doing it for about three and a half years. And recently my wife was able to acquire her W2 job and join me. And we are currently in baby step six. And so I have sort of a two-part question here. So I constantly feel like I'm in this race to increase my income with this business and whatever else it is in life.

00:50:47.77 – 00:51:07.35

And with that, my wife and I are considering pausing, investing for three months and sort of cutting out some of the necessary spending to use that money to put back into the business and grow its revenue quicker, in hopes that our goal being to pay off our house within three years from now. And I was just curious if there's anything wrong with doing something like that.

1Speaker 1
00:51:07.99 – 00:51:15.57

You know, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. I mean, I know it's just three months. on one end. We're like, we're just pausing for three months. It's not that big of a deal.

00:51:15.71 – 00:51:30.37

And then I would look at it on the other end and say, well, it's just three months. It's not that big of a deal, like. either way, right? So meaning I wouldn't pause it, because I don't think three months is going to completely change your life and change your numbers that drastically.

2Speaker 2
00:51:30.65 – 00:51:33.49

Well, my bigger concern is you're running your business out of your checking account.

3Speaker 3
00:51:34.81 – 00:51:35.61

What was that, John?

2Speaker 2
00:51:36.01 – 00:51:39.19

My bigger concern is you're running your business out of your checking account.

3Speaker 3
00:51:39.73 – 00:51:43.93

Oh, no, sir. We have a business account. We have a personal checking account.

1Speaker 1
00:51:44.33 – 00:51:49.07

So you're talking about investing, like retirement. investing is what you're talking about pausing for three months?

3Speaker 3
00:51:49.39 – 00:51:50.67

Correct. Correct, yes.

1Speaker 1
00:51:50.81 – 00:52:02.97

Which is on the personal end, I think, is what John's saying. Like. that should be money that you guys are using out of an income that you're paying yourselves. That's where the retirement investing comes from. So you're saying to pay yourself less?

3Speaker 3
00:52:03.97 – 00:52:15.59

Yes, that's what I'm saying. So just basically, take home less a month. Basically, take home what we need to survive and still enjoy life a little. Yeah. And then use the extra money to increase the business.

1Speaker 1
00:52:16.25 – 00:52:29.15

Yeah, I hear you. And I just don't think I would, Michael. I think it sets a precedent that if we feel like we want to grow really quickly, we're going to just pause and pull back. I feel like you guys, you don't have to do any of that. You're not on fire, right?

00:52:29.23 – 00:52:33.15

Like, if you guys are about to lose your house or something, then I'd be like, oh, yeah, cut everything.

2Speaker 2
00:52:33.55 – 00:52:42.09

I'll go this far. If you told me, hey, we've gotten real close. In six months we're going to have our house paid off. if we pause investing, I would say go, knock your house out. Like, go, get it.

00:52:42.15 – 00:52:56.75

Go, get that thing done, because you'll be able to catch back up with your – like you're not going to miss that, because your house payment can then go to fund your – so knock that out. This. –. Rachel, I like what you just said. This feels like we're always going to have this in the back of our head that we can borrow from ourselves.

00:52:57.17 – 00:53:10.45

Now, if you wanted to pay yourself less in salary, that's a very common thing. In your draw from your business, but I would want your giving and I want your investments to still be rolling with you. Does that make sense?

3Speaker 3
00:53:11.35 – 00:53:30.63

Yeah, that makes sense. I guess part of that question, the first part of that, was like, whenever the house is paid off – and this is sort of my thought. It's like whenever the house is paid off, I'm just curious. Does that feeling that I have of just feeling like you need to increase your income and need more, does that sort of go away once you have all of those expenses like out of your life, that are recruiting, that are debilitated?

1Speaker 1
00:53:31.03 – 00:53:43.79

Not necessarily because I feel like that feeling, Michael, I can speak for personal experience, is more of an emotion than a fact. Like. I think you guys are go-getters. I think you've started something that's amazing. How much are you making a year with this clothing company?

3Speaker 3
00:53:45.01 – 00:53:48.45

Right now, $13,000 a month, $150K a year. Okay.

1Speaker 1
00:53:49.01 – 00:54:08.87

So, yeah, so, you guys, I mean, you're doing great. I mean, you've created something out of nothing and you're doing an incredible job. And so I think that there's a natural bent, possibly to you, Michael – I could just be making this up – where you kind of are a hustle and I want to do the next thing, kind of bigger, better. We want to pause retirement for three months because we want to throw more at the business. Yeah, I mean, you're a go-getter, right?

00:54:08.89 – 00:54:22.93

You're very proactive. But I think, with that same spirit – and again, I'm saying this to myself – it can be like, okay, well, once we get to here, everything's going to be fine. But you're going to get there, Michael. The house is going to be paid off. You guys are going to be – you could double your business and it's going to feel amazing.

00:54:23.61 – 00:54:45.07

And then, in about five months, you're going to be like, okay, okay, let's go to the next goal. And you just keep pushing yourself. And not that goal-setting and all of that is bad, but I do think there's a contentment piece. emotionally, that's really important in this. And I don't know if that's exactly what you're asking, but yes, I think the weight of not – yeah, the weight of not owing anyone anything, and this freedom is definitely there.

00:54:45.75 – 00:54:54.27

But there's still a rat race inside of all of us that think and believe, if I could just make a million – right, if I could make $500 million – or $500 million. Actually, that would be fantastic.

3Speaker 3
00:54:54.59 – 00:54:55.61

I would take $500 million.

1Speaker 1
00:54:56.31 – 00:55:03.45

$500,000.. We'd be totally fine. We'd be set. We'd be fine. And then you get there and you live in it, and then you're thinking –.

2Speaker 2
00:55:03.45 – 00:55:19.25

Yeah, however much money you make, you go with you, right? Yep. Here's what I would tell you. Here's how my wife and I have had to adjust our life. There was a – for us, paying off our house was a massive exhale, okay?

00:55:20.49 – 00:55:34.17

And, as Rachel said, then the old demons about, well, you've got to have this and you're not enough for this. So here was the important question we asked ourselves. that changed, and I'll tell you how it changed. It didn't change my go-get attitude. I love working.

00:55:34.29 – 00:55:34.93

I just love it.

1Speaker 1
00:55:35.03 – 00:55:35.95

Yes, that's always going to be there.

2Speaker 2
00:55:35.95 – 00:55:46.27

I like to pursue. I like figuring things out. I really like solving problems for people. You probably like making money, but you also probably like helping people get nice clothes at a good deal, right? And you like finding deals.

00:55:46.77 – 00:55:53.95

So after we stopped running for our lives, meaning we didn't owe anybody anything, my wife and I asked a question,

00:55:55.61 – 00:56:08.17

what kind of life do we want to have and what do we want that life to feel like? Not like, what do we want? Well, we want another house and more cars. That's not what we asked. When you walk in the door, John, what do you want this house to feel like?

00:56:08.67 – 00:56:38.47

Hey, my wife, when you walk in the door, what do you want the house to feel like? And what must be true for that to happen? And what that did is I'm still as ambitious and busy as ever, but I'm ambitious and busy about different things. And in a weird way that I wish I had learned 20 years ago, financially, we're doing better going after things that make our lives more whole than I did, just running around like a maniac trying to not be on fire anymore. Right.

00:56:38.71 – 00:56:39.37

Does that make sense?

3Speaker 3
00:56:40.43 – 00:56:50.01

Yeah. Yeah. That's sort of where this question arose from. We had a talk a couple of days ago and I was sort of like, where do we want to be in three to five years from now? Mind you, we're 25 and 24, so we're just trying to get ready for our whole lives.

00:56:50.47 – 00:57:03.25

And so we're like, well, we want kids in a few years and whatever. So we sort of wanted to just have this goal of paying off the house early before we had kids, and get that out of the way. so we sort of have this freedom to do things that we wouldn't necessarily have. And I think that's sort of what you're saying.

2Speaker 2
00:57:03.25 – 00:57:22.41

But listen, I want you to ask a different question, because everybody asks the question, where do you want to be in three to five years? You know, five years ago, how different the world was? Three years ago, how different the world was, right? So we can't control what happens in the world. One iota, zero.

00:57:23.39 – 00:57:40.21

But I can control what I want my house to feel like. when I walk in the door. And when I walk in and it's COVID, when I walk in and I'm a professor, when I walk in, I'm a dean of students, I walk in and I'm a YouTuber. I can decide through the world. we've created what that's going to feel like.

00:57:40.93 – 00:57:53.99

You see what I'm saying? So, go out five years. What do you want this house to feel like? I want there to be a kid and I'm pregnant with kid number two and you're laughing and X and Y and Z. All right.

00:57:54.01 – 00:58:10.35

What has to be true? Well, for me to walk home laughing, I can't owe anybody any money. For me to walk home laughing, we have to have somebody else cutting the grass for once. You see what I'm saying? We're going to reverse, engineer how we want this thing to feel.

00:58:10.81 – 00:58:18.57

Who we want to be. Not like, how much money are we going to have? What kind of car? Because you'll start cutting corners to get that money. You'll start cutting corners to get that new car.

00:58:19.05 – 00:58:29.17

And all of a sudden, you're going to end up with a hectic, chaotic life and a bunch of toys. Or you've gone on a nice vacation and you have a pool, and y'all are still the same hustling, exhausted people.

1Speaker 1
00:58:29.17 – 00:58:51.37

And I think you guys are experiencing some wins really early in life, which is amazing. And I think what can happen is that feeling can be so addictive where you're like, oh my gosh, we got to get the next and the next and the next and the next. And what John's saying too is there's depth in all of that. And you can do the same action, but your motivation is different. So check that motivation and you and your wife sit down and have that conversation, because it's a good one to have.

00:58:51.85 – 00:58:54.03

Thanks, Michael, for the call. This is The Ramsey Show.

00:59:00.13 – 00:59:11.55

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00:59:12.21 – 00:59:26.57

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2Speaker 2
00:59:26.57 – 00:59:39.23

All right, today's question comes from Adrienne in Georgia. Adrienne writes, my fiance and I are in our 70s. Ah, that girl, Adrienne. I love it. And planning on marrying in the next six months.

00:59:39.43 – 00:59:55.37

Dude, yes. We're going to end up at the end with no tread left on the tires. Good for you. I've heard your advice on always combining finances as a married couple. However, I'm not sure if that's a reasonable path when both parties have children from previous marriages.

00:59:55.95 – 00:59:57.91

What's the best approach here?

1Speaker 1
00:59:58.87 – 00:59:59.89

That's a great question.

2Speaker 2
00:59:59.89 – 01:00:01.03

That is a great question. Yes.

1Speaker 1
01:00:01.19 – 01:00:25.71

Yeah, because, you know, yes, you guys, as an entity, as a married couple, you're going to be dealing with finances together. You're going to be doing paying household bills, like working as a team on all of that. But it always raises an interesting point when there are grown children involved from previous families. And, you know, do you suddenly combine the family just because you got married in your 70s? and everyone's equal?

01:00:25.93 – 01:00:34.05

You know what I mean? Like all of that. And yeah, and I lean towards keeping it separate still. At this stage of life, I mean, in my head, I'm like,

01:00:35.97 – 01:00:41.97

your immediate family. before this marriage was pretty much done. I mean, like grown kids, you've done your job.

2Speaker 2
01:00:41.97 – 01:00:43.69

You've made your life. This is something different.

1Speaker 1
01:00:43.71 – 01:00:44.29

That's right. Exactly.

2Speaker 2
01:00:44.31 – 01:00:49.19

This is somebody like, let's just party until the wheels fall off. Like, let's do this together. I love that.

1Speaker 1
01:00:49.19 – 01:01:15.55

Right. So I'm all about combining your incomes at this point, seeing yourselves as one, because you guys could still have 20 great years. So as much as a team aspect that you can do, I mean, all my advice would be the same, but I would say things like estate planning, wills, stuff with grown kids. If you want to keep all of that more separate and his money that he brought into the marriage maybe is divvied up among his kids. I don't know.

2Speaker 2
01:01:15.77 – 01:01:32.65

Well, this is one of the very few times. And again, this matters a lot. If neither of them have anything, it doesn't matter. Right. But if either of you or both of you have any sort of wealth or an estate, this is one of the rare times when I would be okay.

01:01:32.91 – 01:01:48.25

Not only okay, but I would recommend a prenup. And here's why. You're not protecting each other. You're protecting your husband or wife. If one of you passes away from cousins and kids coming out of the woods, that is going to take stuff from you.

01:01:48.63 – 01:02:11.77

So it might be that I don't, I don't want if, Rachel, if you and I were married and I died, I don't want my kids suing. Like, I don't want that mess. So I want both sides to be protected here. But I do think for the sake of your marriage, whatever money, social security coming here, dividends coming here, I think this should go in the same pot and we're going to make married decisions about bills. We're not just gonna be roommates for the next 20 years.

01:02:11.83 – 01:02:14.61

Right. We're gonna be married. So let's do it. Let's, let's do it right.

1Speaker 1
01:02:14.61 – 01:02:30.31

Absolutely. Yeah. And that's not just from the technical aspect and the logistics side of it, but there's also an emotional part of this. I mean, Andrea, and like when you really do see yourself as one, and this is if you're 70 and getting married, or 27 and getting married, there's an emotional connection there. That's really beautiful.

01:02:30.31 – 01:02:46.71

And I don't want you guys missing out on that. Even for the 20 years, maybe you guys have together in the, in, the, you know, vein of like, well, we're just adults now. And we, you know, we've done this all ourselves. So we're going to just keep it separate. I think you guys miss a level of intimacy and connection.

01:02:47.21 – 01:02:58.79

If you don't combine what, yes, the income that's coming in now, or social security, all of that, like your, your life, livelihood and your day-to-day life, combine all of that financially and work as a team.

2Speaker 2
01:02:59.15 – 01:03:12.37

And just for, just, just for, like a different picture of this. My wife and I have been married for 21 years. It feels like a thousand years. We've been married both good and bad. There's a chance they are married that long.

01:03:12.95 – 01:03:18.05

Or, or maybe a little bit long, right? That's a long time. Yes. So let's do this. Let's do it.

01:03:18.35 – 01:03:23.67

Let's, we're married. We're going to be married. We're going to be all in both feet in the boat. We're not just going to have one foot on land and one foot in the water.

1Speaker 1
01:03:23.71 – 01:03:28.49

It's good. All right. Let's go to the phones. We got Lynn in Minneapolis. Hi, Lynn.

01:03:28.59 – 01:03:29.29

Welcome to the show.

3Speaker 3
01:03:30.77 – 01:03:37.81

Oh, thank you, Rachel and John. I'm so, I'm so grateful for your wisdom and can surely use some direction in our dilemma here.

1Speaker 1
01:03:37.99 – 01:03:39.87

Oh, well, thank you, Lynn. How can we help?

3Speaker 3
01:03:40.97 – 01:03:50.27

Well, we need to know how to leave a cabin in our will, to our kids without causing resentment and issues. Okay.

2Speaker 2
01:03:50.47 – 01:03:54.73

Tell me about the resentment that you think will emerge if you give them a cool gift, like a cabin.

3Speaker 3
01:03:57.11 – 01:04:12.31

Well, they would be getting our house as well. We own our house. We own our two cars and we own our cabin, and we are currently retired. And one of our children, they're both in their thirties. They're adult kids.

01:04:12.73 – 01:04:52.61

One has a family and has a really, really good job. And the other one is coming out of prodigal stage and is on really good track and is at the university getting a degree, finishing a degree in cybersecurity. So, and he's really good at computers and tech stuff. So we're hoping the best for him at this point, but traditionally, he doesn't have money. And the cabin costs about 25 to 30 grand a year just to sit there.

01:04:52.79 – 01:05:08.27

And it's not a mat, a fancy cabin. It was built in 58, but between property taxes and utilities, it costs about 25 to 30 grand a year. So if this is given to them, and now all of a sudden,

01:05:10.65 – 01:05:18.07

generally costs would be split and they would probably split a calendar on it as far as when they would use it and stuff like that.

01:05:20.19 – 01:05:33.17

The one without the money is, I don't know, maybe the one with the money is going to be left holding the bag to pay for things. The one without the money, I mean, I can just see this whole thing.

1Speaker 1
01:05:33.57 – 01:05:36.13

Yeah, no, absolutely. Lynn, do they both want the cabin?

3Speaker 3
01:05:37.29 – 01:05:37.87

Oh, yes.

1Speaker 1
01:05:38.13 – 01:05:39.57

They do. Okay. So it is like a...

3Speaker 3
01:05:39.93 – 01:05:41.01

It's the family jewel.

1Speaker 1
01:05:41.31 – 01:05:47.59

Yes. Okay. Okay. And they're not combative. Now, the one that doesn't have the money, he's not going to not have money forever.

3Speaker 3
01:05:49.39 – 01:05:49.83

Correct.

1Speaker 1
01:05:50.09 – 01:05:50.41

Right.

3Speaker 3
01:05:51.21 – 01:05:53.57

But that's been his life so far.

1Speaker 1
01:05:54.59 – 01:05:55.51

Yeah. Yeah.

01:05:57.15 – 01:06:33.83

Well, yeah, at that point this doesn't become a gift. It becomes a burden, to the point that you just, he, can't afford to be able to participate in something because you guys aren't leaving a million dollar fund to be able to pull from to keep up the cabin, right? They're going to be expected to pay this $30,000 a year to maintain the cabin. And so it would be like any other asset, I think as an adult that if I can't pay for this out of my own pocket and help keep this afloat, I can't afford it. And so I know that's really harsh.

01:06:34.29 – 01:07:06.37

I know it's really hard because of the situation, and, and it's a family, you know, part, but what ends up probably going to have to happen is, I would, I would still keep it 50, 50 and then I would communicate all of this, but the older son, there's probably a reality that he's going to have to buy out the other half of the brother because the other brother can't maintain that. Now, if he now in, in five years, Lynn, he could right. Be able to help pay $10,000 a year.

3Speaker 3
01:07:06.73 – 01:07:15.55

At this point, our estate is probably worth around 5 million. So at this point he would be getting half of that.

1Speaker 1
01:07:17.85 – 01:07:21.87

So he could have some money to be able to operate it. Right.

2Speaker 2
01:07:22.17 – 01:07:30.55

What about the possibility of putting it into a trust and then putting some sort of creating a fund that would pay for this thing for a decade?

3Speaker 3
01:07:32.31 – 01:07:34.43

Oh, I love that.

2Speaker 2
01:07:34.55 – 01:07:53.09

The word, the language I would use would be an endowment. It wouldn't really be like that, but it would be an investment fund that was designed to pay for this thing for X number of years. The other thing would be this. What if you left it to your oldest son and said in the will, it is our expectation that you share this with your brother.

01:07:56.37 – 01:08:03.93

Yeah. He'll pay for the upkeep. He'll pay for the stuff. And the asset stays in his family, of course. And so that becomes like, well, I want to split it whenever we sell it.

01:08:03.99 – 01:08:18.79

And I don't want uncle, Sue and nephew kind of thing, but yeah, I'm like you. I, I don't know. I just hate to put somebody in a position where the whole I've got to put fight. A brother's got to fight a brother because of a gift. Right.

01:08:19.01 – 01:08:26.39

I'd rather uncomfortable conversation up front. And we're going to give us to your brother. The expectation is you'll be able to use it whenever y'all will navigate that.

1Speaker 1
01:08:26.63 – 01:08:33.19

Yes. But if he gets out that full assets, then he is still technically owed part. that money, right? The brother will have to buy them out.

01:08:34.83 – 01:08:36.57

Well, we have a break. This is the Ramsey show.

01:08:40.15 – 01:09:01.41

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01:09:01.59 – 01:09:09.99

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01:09:12.55 – 01:09:33.27

Welcome back to the Ramsey show. I am, Rachel Cruz, hosting this hour with Dr. John Deloney, and we are taking your calls and your questions about your life and your money. with the giving season upon us. We do a giving show every single year, and it's coming up here in a few weeks.

01:09:33.37 – 01:10:06.31

And so we want to hear stories from you and how you have given generously this season. So maybe you tipped a waiter, a waitress, you know, a hundred bucks or maybe you bought a Thanksgiving dinner for a family that couldn't afford it. Whatever the creative ways that you have been giving this season, we would love to hear about that and that story of how it's changed you, how it changed the lives of the people that you are giving to. So if you go to Ramsey solutions.com slash, ask and put giving in the subject line, we want to hear your story. We do this every year around this time.

01:10:06.95 – 01:10:24.37

And this show is going to be on December 18th. So start sending in your stories today, because we are all about living like no one else. So later you can live and give like no one else. Giving and generosity is a huge part of our message and we love to celebrate that. So again, December 18th is our giving show.

01:10:24.47 – 01:10:29.49

We want to hear from you Ramsey, solutions.com slash ask and put giving in the subject line.

2Speaker 2
01:10:29.55 – 01:10:52.93

Can I say something real quick about that? That we do not tell giving stories so that we pat you on the back for giving. I think the giving stories are super impactful and I've learned from them. It gives me a picture of what giving looks like in the wild and it gives me ideas, because I don't, it, it might never have occurred to you to tip, tip. You tip somebody $500 and they started to weep.

01:10:52.95 – 01:11:10.09

Like never even occurred to me. I'm going to try that. You just walked into a Walmart and saw a mom with a thing full of groceries and you just stuck your ATM card in her thing and paid for it. Never occurred. So this is putting off like 20 different pictures of what generosity looks like in the minds of millions of people.

01:11:10.51 – 01:11:14.81

So this thing spreads all over the place. It is not about patting each other on the back and be like, Oh, way to go, dude.

1Speaker 1
01:11:15.05 – 01:11:22.23

No, no. But it also is like good for the soul. It's so good for the soul. There's good people out there. Yes.

01:11:22.25 – 01:11:45.57

When you just watch the news all day and you start to like get in this belief system that everyone's crazy and we're all, you know, and that is the funny thing. I'm like we travel around to events and you know, we meet people here in the lobby all the time, and I'm like, there's just great people out in the world, you guys, and doing amazing things. And when we can highlight that and encourage you, that's what we want to do. So it's a great point, John. All right.

01:11:45.61 – 01:11:49.57

Up. next we have Chrissy in Cincinnati. Hey Chrissy, welcome to the show.

3Speaker 3
01:11:51.59 – 01:11:52.73

Is this real life?

1Speaker 1
01:11:53.81 – 01:11:58.33

No, you're dreaming, Chrissy. This is not real.

3Speaker 3
01:11:58.91 – 01:12:00.43

I feel like I am dreaming.

2Speaker 2
01:12:00.77 – 01:12:02.39

Is this just fantasy?

1Speaker 1
01:12:04.13 – 01:12:06.03

Oh, we're glad you called.

3Speaker 3
01:12:06.21 – 01:12:06.77

Hi guys.

1Speaker 1
01:12:07.01 – 01:12:07.35

Hello.

3Speaker 3
01:12:07.85 – 01:12:20.03

I cannot thank you both enough for everything that you guys do. And, Dr. John Deloney. Oh my gosh. Like my, my go-to for how to make it through the day.

01:12:20.23 – 01:12:24.45

I've listened to every one of your podcasts, probably 75,000 different times.

2Speaker 2
01:12:24.45 – 01:12:28.89

I haven't even listened to them at all. So good. That's awesome. Thank you so much.

3Speaker 3
01:12:29.03 – 01:12:41.55

Me, your mom and the other original 17.. Yeah, dude. Awesome. So what's up? But so my question today is I'm looking for, excuse me.

2Speaker 2
01:12:42.45 – 01:12:45.45

Take a big, take a big, big, deep breath, Chrissy.

01:12:47.15 – 01:12:51.59

And hold it for a count of three, one, two, and then let it out.

3Speaker 3
01:12:54.45 – 01:12:55.35

Okay. That's better.

2Speaker 2
01:12:56.37 – 01:13:00.69

Neither me and Rachel can drive very well, but you're safe. You're safe with us. What's up?

3Speaker 3
01:13:01.17 – 01:13:27.21

Awesome. Okay. So my husband and I were trying to get pregnant for quite a while and we couldn't afford the IBS stuff, but we just kept trying. And I had a plethora of different procedures over the last couple of years, including having a couple of surgeries to have tumors removed. And then, in April of this year, I was scheduled for one last surgery to have what we thought was going to be the last of these tumors removed.

01:13:27.49 – 01:13:30.77

And that surgery ended up being a complete hysterectomy.

1Speaker 1
01:13:31.19 – 01:13:32.83

Oh, Chrissy, I'm so sorry.

3Speaker 3
01:13:33.17 – 01:14:35.61

Cleveland Clinic, as well as several of the local renowned hospitals here in Cincinnati, have given me a diagnosis of primary peritoneal serous tumors. And basically all the organs they took out were riddled with cancer and it has invaded my peritoneum. and there's things they can do to help, but nothing they can do to really make it go away. And so I am really just trying to figure out a way to deal with this, while still being a parent to an 18 year old and being a wife, and while still trying to manage our family finances, because treatment is very much not something that is in our budget right now. And it's a kind of scary thing to know that I can't afford the treatments to be better and I just kind of don't know what to do.

01:14:35.69 – 01:15:10.21

And I feel like I am at my wits end, day in and day out. And I feel like it is affecting my ability to be a good mom to my 18 year old and to be a good wife to my husband. And grieving the fact that we're not going to, my husband and I are not going to have a child together. And also, just kind of, you know, I'm only 37 and I am very much not ready to die, but this feels like I've been given like a life sentence. And I just, I don't know where to go.

01:15:10.61 – 01:15:10.77

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
01:15:11.37 – 01:15:16.35

Will you do me a huge favor? Number one, well, number one, thanks for being brave and laying it all out there.

01:15:18.13 – 01:15:26.71

I want you to take both of your hands. I want you to squeeze them as tight as you can for a count of three. Okay. Where it's almost uncomfortable. Squeeze them as tight as you can.

01:15:26.79 – 01:15:31.59

One, two, three, open them up and open them wide.

01:15:33.15 – 01:15:33.51

Okay.

01:15:35.19 – 01:15:37.57

Usually, when people do that, their shoulders drop too.

3Speaker 3
01:15:39.25 – 01:15:39.75

Yeah, they did.

2Speaker 2
01:15:40.15 – 01:15:46.09

Okay. This is a posture. This is the posture you're entering into the next phase of your life.

01:15:48.77 – 01:15:59.87

Through your attempts to get pregnant, through your attempts to wrangle an 18 year old. Is this a relatively new marriage for both of you?

3Speaker 3
01:16:01.15 – 01:16:04.75

We've been together six years, but we've been married for just over two.

2Speaker 2
01:16:05.05 – 01:16:15.75

Okay. You have a picture of what a quote unquote perfect wife is. Your grip on your life has gotten tighter and tighter, and tighter and tighter.

01:16:17.73 – 01:16:31.39

And what you found out in a gnarly, ugly, scary, I wish you were here, so Rachel and I could hug you and let you see that we love you and care about you, that we really don't control much of anything. Okay.

3Speaker 3
01:16:31.39 – 01:16:32.01

Right.

2Speaker 2
01:16:32.51 – 01:16:38.51

All of those questions you rattled off. I don't know about the money. I don't know about being a mom. I'm being a terrible this. I'm not good enough for that.

01:16:39.65 – 01:16:42.19

Let that go. Okay.

3Speaker 3
01:16:44.33 – 01:16:44.69

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
01:16:44.93 – 01:16:45.95

Does your husband love you?

3Speaker 3
01:16:48.01 – 01:16:48.93

Very much so.

2Speaker 2
01:16:49.11 – 01:16:50.21

Would he go to hell and back for you?

3Speaker 3
01:16:51.79 – 01:16:53.19

He has a couple of times.

2Speaker 2
01:16:53.27 – 01:16:56.05

I know. He'll continue to. Does that 18 year old? love you?

3Speaker 3
01:16:57.35 – 01:16:57.99

She does.

2Speaker 2
01:16:58.51 – 01:17:01.39

I know, 18 year olds sometimes don't know how to say it just right.

3Speaker 3
01:17:03.89 – 01:17:06.71

She does. She's pretty good at it.

2Speaker 2
01:17:07.09 – 01:17:17.49

So what you have is two people plus you holding hands, looking at this life that we wanted. so bad that doesn't exist anymore. It's ash.

01:17:20.03 – 01:17:27.19

And the path before us is A, above all other things, we're going to fight and we're going to do what we can to stay healthy. Okay.

3Speaker 3
01:17:28.85 – 01:17:29.05

Yeah.

2Speaker 2
01:17:29.51 – 01:17:45.69

The second thing is we're going to be really clear with each other how we feel, how we're doing. How are you? How can I love you today? How can you love me today? We're going to practice that new way of doing life together, because we're not guaranteed anything other than right this.

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