Patrick Bet-David on Trump, Iran, and What Chris Cuomo Should Do with the Rest of His Life

Here's the episode. But backgammon, like life, it's like 30% luck. So it's like a metaphor. Because there's a.

Of course.

I think right now, if it ended today, right, if it ended today, and you looked at the states, Wisconsin, Biden has, you can go through the others. Trump has a big lead, I believe, in Arizona and another state by 11 points, 50 to 39.. He's got a three to an 11 point lead on the six states that matter. They're not even looking at North Carolina right now. They're like, No, it's going to be his, it's red.

We don't even want to report it as a battleground. Now, not even reporting it. So if it ends today, it's him. That's going to win it. However, it's not ending today.

The amount of gamification that could happen between now and November 5, it's, it's gamification, gamification, manipulation, you call it, there's a lot of things you can do. So for me, there's a part of me, we're on the left side of my shoulder. It's, it's a guy that's his future looks bright. It's going to be great. We're going to take over.

It's going to be awesome. America is going to be the greatest country in the world and everything's going to be okay. Right. And there's another guy on this side that's super.

Um, so, so I think what.

I debated him two times and I beat him two times. You want it? Come on, tough guy. June 27th, and you read the details. Mike's going to go off the moment.

Time's up to zero audience. Why are we doing zero audience? Well, you know, we're just going back to the way it was with Nixon and Kennedy. And then the next day, 50 articles come out that were, we were becoming traditional on how this whole thing about TV debate on TV started with Nixon and Kennedy, with no audience. That's the right way to do it.

So the audience can decide for themselves who the better debater is. But listen, the last time we did without an audience was in 1960, 1960, whatever the timeline was, with those two, we've always had an audience, the audience of, well, you guys got to keep it down, but they know what's going to happen, where he's going to have his moments where he says, because you'd be in jail, and they're worried about those things. However, here's what's going to happen. I think, as much as they try to protect them, as much as they try to protect them to kind of see what's going to happen with that. What percentage of people do you think that consume the debate?

are the type that consume highlight reels like a game? I don't watch full games, but I'll watch a highlight reel. I'll watch sports center. I'll watch some of the clips on Twitter to see, Oh, look at this. Oh, wow.

Good for these guys. They want. what percentage you think of voters are going to watch the entire thing on TV, on CNN versus what percentage you think are going to get the highlight reels on Instagram and Twitter. What do you think? I mean, I think it's overwhelming the percentage.

The audience is going to go at it. You're going to see the polls. You're going to see the reactions. You're going to see who's going to be better editors. Nowadays, the better editing team, creating better clips in a fast manner, with the right music, with the right creative, you know, B roll and things you add to it.

Uh, Trump's camp's a better marketer. They've always been better marketers. The other side has no clue how to do marketing,

I don't know if you've ever been to West Virginia. People live in different ways. There's different standards we have. And I don't think we should judge that. Totally, totally fair.

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Actually farther ahead than a candidate typically is in may of an election year. And we sort of know that that's the red line can't have Trump. So I've asked him this directly, didn't get an answer, but do you worry that he could be harmed between now and then?

How many people does that movie need to inspire for somebody to become a hero?

deceptive, extremely divisive, a lot of messaging in their predictive programming stuff that you can watch and say, this can actually happen one day. But yeah, I mean, look, a lot of like, I don't know if you've seen the movie, John Q. First time I watched John Q, Denzel Washington. Do you know the story about John? No.

Okay. So it's a story about a father whose son is a fan of flex wheeler. He wants to be a bodybuilder and a son, all of a sudden heart collapses. And I think it's in the middle of a baseball game. They take him to the hospital.

It's going to cost $250,000 to do surgery. And the company doesn't offer, uh, you know, allowing him to get the insurance because he doesn't have the best insurance and he's trying to go raise the money. He can't raise the money. It's pointing a picture of a father about to lose a son because the hospital is not willing to spend $250,000 to save this kid's life. Right.

And you are going through this emotional rollercoaster ride with the father. How many fathers are going to sit there and say, Holy shit, what is this all about? Right. And then eventually there's a scene where he tells Kevin Connolly, the actor from, uh, entourage. And he says, listen, guys, just take it out of my heart and give it to him.

It's this unique scene. It's like, I'm not going to do that. If you're not going to do it, I'm going to kill myself. You're going to take it out of my heart and you're going to give it to my son. Intense, intense movie.

Then, while they're there, he's talking to his son. Son is laying on the bed at the hospital. And he says, look, here's what I want you to think about. He says, my son buries me. I don't bury my son.

That's right. My son buries me. That's how it needs to be. So you're like, yeah. And as a father, you're feeling it.

Well, that was right before Obamacare. How many people did that movie influence to say, you know what? We do need affordable care, you know? So movies have a lot of power. I mean, if you go back in the days, do you know who produced the first, uh, Titanic, the movie?

No, it's a guy named Adolf Hitler. You know who the hero was in the movie? The first, uh, Titanic, the iceberg, the first, the hero in the movie is the Nazi soldier. If you go and pull up first Titanic, produced by Germany, Adolf Hitler, the hero is painted as the Nazi soldier. The way you confuse propaganda storytelling is movies, docs, music.

You know this. I mean, this is how you get the audience and the younger audience to buy it. So you mean to tell me the movie civil war cannot inspire one kid to want to be a hero and being written about for the rest of his life in history books? You mean to tell me one kid's not going to be inspired by it? So I worry about some of this predictive programming they're putting because they're, they're going to say, well, you can't just say it was a movie that did.

it doesn't take a lot of stuff to get a young kid to be inspired to do something. So that's my part. That's a little bit worrisome, uh, about what could happen in the future. But, uh, yeah, I think they're willing to do anything and anything, everything and anything to not get them in the white house. Cause they worry.

if they do, they're going to lose their membership. I don't know. He saw what James Comey said yesterday. He got emotional. If he gets in there, he's going to completely change everything with our justice system.

He's going to do everything with FBI and he's going to put some bad people in there. And I'm telling you guys, this is the week you cannot, you cannot vote for Trump. You have to support. I've never seen Comey be this animated about Biden being a president. This just happened yesterday.

They use them for their jobs, right? That's a privilege, not a right. And those should be revoked immediately by Donald Trump day fucking one. Why do those guys still have security clearances? I mean, if you're, if you believe in democracy, if you think that the people who live in the country own the country, their government, and they have a say in how it's run, and that that government should reflect their priorities over time.

And I think we all claim to believe that then you can't have unelected agency heads or retired, unelected agency heads running everything behind the scenes. That's, it's just absolutely antithetical to democracy. So why do these guys continue to be allowed legally to run the government from outside the government?

But if you look at the profile of the top ambitious people, that they go on different routes, okay. One is going to be fame. I want to be a celebrity. I want people to stop me and say, can I take a picture with you, Tucker? I want to do a selfie.

Wow. I'm famous. Did you see this? That's ambitious. I'm going to be famous one day, right?

Okay, great. And the. we're going to be millionaires. We're going to be billionaires. We're going to have all the money in the world.

Okay, great. So one is fame. The other one is money. The other one is power to tell you what to do. The money, guys, it's a number.

You can measure it. And you can say, yeah, this guy's winning because his net worth is $200 billion. His name is Elon Musk. This guy's number two at $180 billion. This guy's number three, 165 billion, you know, Zuck.

There's a leader's bulletin for it. Kim Kardashian's got 400 million followers on Instagram. This person's got 500 million. Ronaldo's got 600 million. You can measure fame, right?

How do you measure politics? How do you measure? what's the resume on measuring success in politics and somebody working for the federal government, working for, you know, a, an FBI or CIA. And, you know, uh, and I know you're not very familiar with this organization called CIA, but it's, it's a rough organization. It's very interesting organization.

You could, you should look into them. Uh, some interesting people I've gone through there, but so you say, what do they want? What are they driven by? What do they want to do? Is their ambition?

What is it? Money? No. Is it fame? No.

Fame is actually straight up. Okay, cool. You want to be famous? Go do X, Y, Z. You want to make money?

Go, do X, Y, Z. But the power people, oof, you got to be very careful with them. A lot of times, like the way, how do you measure power? So, so the way you see, and this is the, it's, it's easy in the business world. Say a guy, I had Michael Franzese on years ago when he and I started doing podcasts, did a couple of interviews with them and the mob world, right?

And I want to, he's a good guy. Yeah. I want to know what the, so he took me, we went to New York cause I was going to interview his father, Sonny Franzese. And Sonny is a guy that comes from the era of Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Ben Siegel. He comes from that era.

One of the most.

Killed him in 1947.

. He's a friend of my dad's. We would go have dinner at his house and, uh, yeah, he, he murdered Bugsy Siegel. Yeah. Shot him in the face with a 30 caliber.

Wow. Big round. What was it like? Hit in the face. Uh, he never married, never had kids.

He was a cat guy. He collected stray cats and my father, uh, loved animals and was good friends with Eddie Kenniser. My brother and I would take us over for dinner, make cannelloni, live with his parents. It was all very weird anyway, but he killed Bugsy Siegel. But I remember hearing the conversation.

yet. Don't call him Bugsy. He wasn't. So here's the thing. So,

Okay. Never said anything to nobody. Right.

I get him in the car, taking him to his favorite Italian restaurant. Okay. We pick him up from the old folks home and I'm driving. So, Sonny, what can you tell me about Meyer Lansky? Great guy.

I heard he made a lot of money in many different ways. Phenomenal guy. What we can say about a Bugsy Siegel? Don't, don't say that. You can't say that you go on Ben.

Well, what can you tell me about Ben? Very good guy. Really? How about Frank Costello? Fantastic guy.

How about everybody's a good guy like Sonny? Come on, Sonny. I mean, there's. no, these are standup guys. I don't know what you're talking about.

Stand up guys. Sonny eventually doesn't agree to do the interview. That interview never happens. Okay. But Sonny told his son, he said, be very careful of the people that are lower power people in the mob family.

Cause. one day they could be a boss. And when they do become a boss, they're going to remember every way you disrespect them. They're going to seek their vengeance on you in their own way. So be very careful to the lower level people that are coming up.

One day they could be your boss. Okay. All right. So you're running a company. You see a guy that's been with you for five years.

He's doing a good job. He's at work. He does 60 hours a week, standup guy, effort, attitude, teamwork, innovation, results, competency, specialized skill. He's got all that stuff. Then all of a sudden he goes from being a performer.

Maybe he's got one or two people reporting to him. You make him a VP and has got 35 people under his division. And then all of a sudden you see him become a tyrant and a dictator. Like, wait a minute. Did it just happen overnight?

Or was that always in there, but you were hiding it? and boom, now that you have the power, now you're abusing it, right? A lot of these people in the political side, deep down inside, someone offended them. A mom, a dad, a cousin, an ex, a friend, a professor, a teacher, somebody. And their way of seeking vengeance is to have control over other people.

Lincoln said, you want to find out, test someone's character, give them power. These guys now have power and they're showing what they're all about. And they fear somebody coming in. that's a non-establishment guy coming in. They could lose that and be exposed.

They are not willing to give that up. They're not willing to give that up. It's going to take everything they can to take that privilege away from them. And that's not going to be an easy thing for Trump to do. You may have come to the.

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com slash podcast. You will not regret it. I guess the difficulty for the power worshiping community is that they already did this in 2020.. And now that, you know, tempers have cooled, and people can think clearly, they stole the election. Nobody actually thinks that was a free and fair election.

It wasn't. And so the bar is a lot higher. Like, how do you do that again? And if you do it again, everyone's gonna know you did it again. And then what kind of country do you have in January of 2025?

Steady trends, trends, if you.

And, you know, NHL shuts down, NBA shuts down, that's the day. Disney shuts down, you know, so what the hell is going on? We got to fly back, we fly back to Dallas, I take the family to the house, I come back to the office, and I'm studying all the different pandemics that we've had. And you'll see, out of all the pandemics we've had, how the market has reacted. 90% of the top 10 pandemics.

we've had massive market drop off. But every one of them. six months later, it came back to exactly what it used to be, if not higher. There's only one that didn't recover for 12 months, and that's AIDS. Everything else, six-month recovery, right?

So I could sit there and say, well, this could be fear. porn, market's going to go down to 18,000, 17,000, whatever could happen, but it's fear, it's going to come back up six months later. That's exactly what happened, right? Boom, boom, came back up. Okay, so trends, things to study, patterns on what's going on with today.

If we go to 2016 election, the mistake mainstream media made was what? CNN kept inviting Trump. He said, yes. They kept inviting him. Yes.

MSNBC, yes. We're getting all these crazy ratings. We're killing it, MSNBC. No, he's bringing you ratings. And then all of a sudden they're like, guys, we created a monster.

It's too late. We've done a half a billion dollars of free media advertisement for this guy. Oh, yeah. And he didn't even need to spend the money on it. Holy shit.

He just won. Are you kidding me? This didn't work. The defamation and all this stuff. Damn, guys, this is not going to work in 2020..

So go to 2020.

. What did they do in 2020?? We got to find a different playbook. 2016,. they used Me Too, backfired on them when Trump brought the candidates showing and all this other stuff, right?

And he's like, well, let me tell you who we have here. Paula, you see Clinton looking like this, that famous picture. Oh, I was there for that. So 2020.. All Bill Clinton's girlfriends.

That's pretty impressive. It was amazing. Yeah. 2020, May 25th, you need chaos. May 25th, what happens?

George Floyd gets assassinated. George Floyd dies, not gets assassinated. The word they wanted to use was obviously a bigger thing, but George Floyd, the number of minutes that it took place, me, all that stuff. Next day, riots, protesting, insanity. What do Republicans start saying?

Look, man, I like him, but I don't know why. Maybe they're right. The more he's in there, the more chaos happens in the streets. And I just want the chaos to slow down. That's what I want.

Of course. That strategy worked very effectively. Here's what they're doing 2024, that you can see. some case studies of what they're doing, what's not going to work. What are they doing in 2024?

that they haven't learned their lesson? They're making a mistake that they made in 2016,, but they're doing it in a different way. 2016, all CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS ever talked about was what Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, but they invited him. Well, they're not inviting him now, but what are they doing? Because he's in court and all these different cases, they have to keep talking about him over and over, thinking that strategy is going to work for them, because they're getting ratings.

What they're not realizing again, they're coming to best publicist PR for this guy. And now it's like, Oh my God, it's backfiring on us again. All we're talking. Look at the black vote in 2020.. You only had 9% in 2024..

He's got 22,, 22% of the African American vote. And what's even worse than this, the people that are above 65, 81% of them are for Democrat and most of these guys, but the younger audience we're losing, this is not good. If we're losing younger audience, if we lose the younger audience, could this be a Barry Goldwater? Well, the African American vote flips for the next three decades. They're now seeing that this strategy is not working.

However, the part that you have to see the case study is the following. So pinning Muslims against Jews, against Christians, against pro-Palestine, against Gaza, Hamas, pro-Israel, all this stuff. You can have your own position. We can all have our own position. We don't need to go there if you don't want to go there.

But here's the part where they're winning. is what kids in schools, riots, protesting, you know, and they're doing what they're doing. All they're waiting for is the next George Floyd. That's all they need. They need their next George Floyd.

And what month are we in right now? Today's what? May 22nd. Okay. May 25th is coming up in three days.

May 26th is in a few days. They need chaos back again,

But when that becomes the biggest news story in the United States, a conflict across the globe, and when these protests are blown so out of proportion by all news media, you have to think, like, maybe this is not a reflection of reality. Like, maybe I'm being played here a little bit, right? Or maybe I'm being played a lot.

I don't speak Russian. But that's a pretext for a FISA warrant. So you put that out there, and Newsweek knows this, and they're mad at me for other reasons, of course. You put this out there, and all of a sudden, it gives the Biden administration an excuse to spy on me, which they already are, and have been over the last several years. But what's crazy is, you can live in a country where that's completely illegal, and everyone knows it's happening, and nobody says anything about it.

And the only people who do say anything about it, like Julian Assange or Ed Snowden, they're the ones facing life in prison.

It's a little bit upside down, I would say. No, but that story... Look, the media don't just mislead you. They're not just worker bees for the Democratic Party. They want to hurt you, actually hurt you, put you in prison or kill you.

They're that involved in the machinery of internal repression in this country.

Bam! Deadly force. Deadly force. So I would say that the problem that we have as people who are not part of the machine, it's not even a right or left question. It's, are you on the side of lies, or are you not?

Is we don't understand just how serious they are. I mean, if you were running DOJ and you saw a search warrant, that said, yes, the use of deadly force applies in a documents case, a classified documents case. By the way, the documents were meaningless. No one's ever shown. otherwise.

It doesn't matter. You could put them on the internet now. It just doesn't matter actually.

And if you were the attorney in general and you were looking through the warrant and said, use of deadly forces is allowed, you'd say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're literally rooting through Melania's dresser. We don't need to use deadly force. Wouldn't you say that just as a,

It's not a big story.

That's, of course, run by the state department and CIA, basically killed by the Biden administration. No big deal. I mean,

The more they persecute Trump unfairly, um, the more transparently, grotesque and corrupted is, the stronger Trump becomes. I mean, I think that's, it seems pretty obvious. There's been polling on this. Do you think that people who did it knew that would happen? Like how much, like, how much of like this did?

I think they think it's working, and now it's too late. Michael Cohen, did you steal from the Trump organization? Yes, sir. I did. What?

Yeah, I did. Holy shit. So now CNN has to, somebody on. CNN has to say it's over for this guy, right? Yeah.

So this is, this is another reason why sometimes, when people are, we're going to sue those guys, go ahead and do it. Then comes discovery. You got to also give me your discovery, right? Meaning. so when you're suing, I want to see your discovery.

Give me your disco. Let's go through it. You're suing me. Great. Let's go through.

I want to see discovery. on text exchange, email exchange. Oh shit. No, no, we don't want to do that, but that's how lawsuits work. I want also discovery, right?

So now it's backfiring. Now they have to sit there. I mean, if we really play this thing, God, I'd be curious with you. Why do you think they chose to all of a sudden flip June 27th debate? And then the next one's going to be, you know, in September.

And first one, I think, is CNN. Second one, I think it's ABC, if I'm not mistaken. Why do you think all of a sudden they flip so quickly? Are you part of the camp that thinks maybe they're trying to see how good he's going to be, to kind of replace him? Or what is the motive of trying?

I mean,

And I'm really glad to see it. So I don't know that they replace them. I don't know how they can, maybe they're more clever than I am and have a plan. I think it's as simple as the guy who's down wants to debate. He needs to change the storyline.

You know, if the trend is hurting Joe Biden, it's not his friend. And so they got to do something like one on a debate, you know, and again, it comes back to, to pharmacology, like they're injecting him with drugs. And so for a short period of time, he can seem sentient and aware and semi capable, old, but not a vegetable. the rest of the time he is a vegetable. And I think they can get away with that for an hour and a half or two hours.

And I think that's, I mean, again, I don't know, but my guess is they think they just have to show that he's not as senile as you think he is, that's going to be enough. It was at the, at the, did you watch? state of the union? I did. He didn't seem quite as retarded as he normally does.

No, he didn't. And that's drugs. I mean, I, I know someone, a makeup artist who worked on Joe Biden during the 2020 campaign, who was there when he got the drugs, like in the room with the doctor.

He has the briefcase. I mean, he should be required to.

America is the grandchildren I don't yet have. America is also a physical place. It's the water. It's the trees, especially. it's the mountains.

It's the coast. It's the physical beauty of the country. It's a physical place. to me. It is absolutely not an idea.

I don't even know what that means. And it's a physical reality to me. America has a smell. America has a vibe, and America is Americans. And so it's the people who live here.

By the way, if America is filled with people who aren't American, it's no longer America. And that's what's happening. Of course, it was not the country I grew up in. Therefore, it's not, I mean, what's my attachment to the country? A place is the people who occupy the place, and it's the physical surroundings.

We're in a room, we're in a barn right now. And it's, you know, the wood beams holding up the hayloft, but it's also you and your wife, you know what I mean? So it gets, it's real things that you can touch and smell and taste. It's not, there's nothing abstract about it. Just like there's nothing abstract about my wife.

Like I, like the way she smells, right? She's not an idea. Is your wife an idea? No. She's a physical presence.

Right. So, um, that's what America is to me. Yeah. So, and how worried are you about?

And, um, so I'm incredibly sad about that. But I think about America, the way that I think about, you know, a ship that's leaking. It's like, one thing I know is I'm staying on it, whether it, you know, I'll ride.

You know, are you all in or not? Like, do you have options? You know, have you burned the boats, as they say? And I think you should be required to burn the boats. No, you can't go back what you're here.

And once you are, this is what marriage is. This is why you treat your wife better than you treat your girlfriend. Cause you're married to her and it's very hard to get out of. And you've got children together. And so, in a normal marriage, the person's like, well, one thing I know I'm not doing is divorcing.

So I'm going to actually try, I'm going to suck it up and try and not work, sucking it up and trying words. I feel the same way about my country. I'm not going anywhere. I don't have another passport. I wouldn't get another passport.

How many people do I know with dual passports? Like a million. And they tend to be the richest people and the people who've gotten the most from the country, who've really benefited from our systems, which they've then destroyed. And I think that should be illegal. Like pick a country and pick a military.

No, you can't serve in a foreign military. What? And no, we're not going to pay you to serve in a foreign. I don't care what the country, I don't care if it's England or Sweden, where my ancestors came from. I don't care if it's Burkina Faso, where yours came from, or Iran, where yours came from.

It's like, no, and you should be all in. I just, the whole idea of it, it's like an Airbnb. They're using the country's like a fucking Airbnb to them. And it's not an Airbnb. It's my house.

When, when you come out, uh, any military, but I know what you're talking about. Cause I read the, uh, read the notes on if you're able to serve in Israel, I do not hate it. I like Israel, but what is a law? I don't, I don't even want to get sidetracked. How is that?

even the logic to say like you serve in another military council is the same as.

I'm just saying I do not just the, you know, the ancient city that defines the country, in my opinion, not the modern Miami knockoff that everyone loves, but the real Jerusalem. it's unbelievable. And the people and the food. and like, I just like it. So I'm not going to fall for that.

You hate it. No, I don't hate it. I just love my country. And I think you can only have one country at a time. I don't believe in polygamy either.

You got one wife. And, by the way, if you have two wives, I know people who are polygamous. And I, you know, with respect, you're not all in on any one wife. So it's like, well, she's acting crazy. See ya.

And you go deal with the other wife, right? And it, your commitment is less when it's diffuse. When you've got more than one, you cannot serve two masters. I believe I'm quoting someone in that. And it's just true.

. Do you know anyone who's polygamous? Have you known polygamous people?

But he's got eight wives. So, mathematically, math is in his favor. It's a lot. Is he Muslim?

And that means spend the same amount of money, spend the same amount of time. So if you take one wife to Disney world with her kids, you got to take the next wife Disney world with her kids for the same amount of time. So, you know, it takes a lot of money and a lot of effort to make.

This is the first interaction we've had the last 24 hours. Great time last night. Uh, that was the real podcast.

But anyways, we won't go there, but, but the, but the conversation, the question I got for you is when I was watching you and I'm trying to see, you know, the, the evolution of you from where you're at, your background, what you've done sitting there saying, okay, is this, Oh, he's leaving because he's going to build news core too, because he wants to be the next, you know, Rupert Murdoch. Like, I don't know if that's what he wants to do. He's going to be Roger Ailes and he's going to produce a hundred other talents. Maybe. I don't know.

No, no. He wants to be the Rush Limbaugh, you know, the number one for the next two decades. And he wants to be able to zone. So, okay. He was already that guy.

I don't think he needs to do that. No. Then there's a part of me that says, okay, I really think this guy loves America in a very sincere, clear, conviction type of way. Okay. And I think he's willing to do anything for that.

This is not a conversation for 2024.

. Do you at all, like internally thinking, you know, you're very well-read guy. There's books here. There's plenty of books over there. Um, do you look at Churchill and you say, this guy was a journalist, controversial figure, the feud with him and Chamberlain and all these other guys.

And eventually it's like, listen, man, we got to need someone like this. That's got the brass to Do. you have, is there any limit of where you're willing to go to fight for what America, uh, the idea of America, where you grew up, your story, your family, all of that. Are you willing to go all the way to the point where you would consider a 2028 run as a president? Well, I, you know, I,

They do not do my taxes because they're not born to do my taxes. They're born to find birds. And I feel that way about myself and everyone around me. do what you're born to do. And I just don't see myself as a political person.

My only goal is to be free, personally free. I really believe in personal liberation, like tell the truth, that's liberation about yourself primarily, but also about the world around you. And my second goal is to preserve, you know, the, the country that I grew up in, to the extent that I can. I mean, recognizing that my powers are really limited and that my vision is blurry, and I'm a human being, not God. And, but yeah, that's absolutely my goal.

I've never been that interested in money and at all, and I'm not interested in building large organizations or administering them. I'm not good at that. And I just want to tell the truth. And I'm absolutely willing, especially now that I'm 55, like who cares? You know, you're looking at a future of what?

Like Parkinson's? Like. really? At a certain age, you're like, what do you, I see these old people, including a lot of old people in power, who were like trying to squeeze out another year. It's like.

accept your mortality. Please spend some time with the people you love and who love you, your children, your grandchildren, your wife. None of them want to accept the finite nature of life. So I do accept that. And so I just want to do whatever I can to achieve those two goals, to remain free and honest inside and to preserve the country that I really love.

Like I loved growing up here. And, um, and so have previous generations of my family and, I hope, subsequent generations. So that's, that's kind of it. I have always had low bore goals. I don't have any grand plan for world domination.

I can, I can't even dominate my town, you know, but, um, but I would do anything to do that. Anything, anything.

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So you would consider 2028 Ron. Yeah. I don't think I'd be.

You're a helper. And my wife says that too, because I believe in helping. I think that's, that's our duty as Christians. It's our duty as people. It's the most fulfilling thing you can do is just to help in some small way.

You're never going to figure it out. You're never going to fix everything, because you're not God. to repeat. You're not God, but you can make incremental progress and you should never.

That's real. On the other hand, look at what triggers the liars. It's not policy changes. It's some guy standing up and saying, wait, that's not true. The CIA knew about Oswald, like shut up, you know, it's like, or whatever it is, why don't you declassify the 9-11 documents?

Shut up, conspiracy theorists. It's like, why is that so threatening? And it's so threatening because it's getting closer to the truth. So saying the truth out loud, I mean, they spend all of their time trying to censor people. Why do they do that?

Because that's the greatest threat to them. It's not some bill in Congress that can be undone. What can't be undone, if you get in an argument with your wife and you say something truly horrible to her, like vicious and true, kind of hard to fix that. Like it'd be many years before you fix that, because you've articulated something. Those words have hung in the air as a kind of independent entity.

Like words have their own being. In the beginning was the word, and that does more damage than punching somebody. It's true. So I don't know. I think telling the truth out loud is like the most powerful and revolutionary thing that you can do.

And then you have the Walsh family. Very, very interesting to listen to these guys. One of the parts when the Crown family guy Keating is talking, he says, in our family, I'm fourth generation, I'm the oldest G4.. And G4 means fourth generation kid. He's a 47 year old G4, okay?

His daughter is a 12 year old. who's the oldest G5 out of 150.. Okay, so you got a oldest G4, oldest G5.. Now G5 is 150 kids, grandkids. So imagine 150 kids that are coming from a billionaire family, like, uh, how much of that's coming to me?

What do I need? It's kind of complicated to how to use that, right? Okay, so watch this. So then the next guy comes up and is breaking down the number, saying, do you know what percentage of wealthy families money makes it to second generation G2?? 31%.

Do you know what percentage makes it to G3?

? 12%. Do you know what percentage makes it to G4? 3%. So wow, 31, 12, 3 to G4..

What is it to G5, G6, G7?

? Okay, so where am I going with this? America is a family, is a company, right? And it started off with the wealth that's been created. And now we got G1, G2, G3, G4, whatever it is today, G20, G30, G40..

We're on a different G, right? And except now it's like a super wealthy family. Let's put a net worth of $32 trillion, or $30 trillion minus all the credit card debt that we have. That's another $32 trillion, and we got a top line revenue of, say, $4 trillion, whatever our GDP, that we're doing per year, no problem. So you break this down and you're trying to get that money.

It was like, hey, what am I going to get? How'd you forget about me? I did this, you owe me this much money. Oh, shit, we got to make this guy, we got to make that guy, we got to make this guy. The way it's going, it's catastrophic on what's going to happen money-wise here very soon with the next generation that are entitled on what you're going to give to them next.

Okay.

So many times, just like when you look at people that should have more kids, don't. The people that don't have the resources are not teaching. the values, are not that responsible, are not the examples of a good citizen to duplicate other kids. They're having seven, eight, nine kids. And so we're duplicating the wrong habits at a pace faster than duplicating the right habits.

Eventually, what ends up happening is people that are not qualified to run a job do so, and they have control over you, and I. I think it was Plato that said it. I've noticed. Those who think it's foolish to study politics will be governed by fools. who do.

That's right. Those who think it's foolish to study politics will be governed by fools. who do. Okay. If guys who have the mouthpiece, debate, history, argument, if those guys who should consider running don't run, fools will.

And now we're going to be governed.

Like she's dumb. She's a prestigious job. She's annoying. She clearly hates me for reasons I can't control. And then you wake up in a country where she's a US Senator, then Vice President of the United States.

It's like, no, I completely agree with you. The problem is it's hard to fix that. The generational, I mean, I actually grew up in a family like this, G5 or whatever. And you look around and everybody's kind of not impressive and self-hating and not productive and increasingly not rich at all, and drinking too much and decadent and filled with all kinds of angst. and all that.

Generational wealth does not, I've almost never seen it work. So what's the answer to that? Well, I don't think the answer is sitting on.

Big time. No question about it. So what happens in families? happens at scale. It happens in.

You have the founding fathers, right? Hey, we're going to go out there and there's no way we're going to pay taxes on taxation without represent... Shit. Okay. These guys are not wanting to pay taxes.

Yeah, we're not going to.

. They can't do that to us. All right. Then they inspire barbarians. Okay.

So, Jobs inspired barbarians. Musk inspires barbarians. Sometimes the prophet is a barbarian. Musk is both, right? Jobs is both.

Our founding fathers, many of them were both. So you got prophet, barbarian, builders, explorers. Then you have administrators. Oh, yes. Then you have aristocrats, bureaucrats.

Then comes the downfall. Company, family, legacy, G4, G5, it's done. And the only way at this point that you can save that civilization, that society, that company is for a synergist that comes in and is able to rally enough of the people to say, here's what we're going to be doing. He's not trying to rally the aristocrats. He's not trying to rally the bureaucrats.

You're not going to get those guys. Those guys got to get fired. He's trying to rally, the builders, the explorers, the guys that are saying, hey, man, I just want to kind of go out there and build my business. I feel we're at an era right now. We're at a phase right now where the synergists need to say, you know what?

I feel like I can play the role for this. Great. Let's roll. I think these guys need to, right now, either be recruited. They need to be inspired.

They need to have people that come to them and have a conversation saying, hey, I think you need to consider we got five of us here. We came here for one reason. We're thinking about talking to you about 2028, not interested, not this, not, not saying these conversations are not happening, or, of course, they're happening behind closed doors regularly. But I think these guys, if America's worth saving, if the concept of saving America is something that we value, we need to either choose if we can contribute, kind of like you, or we need to inspire and recruit and, you know, get others to say, I think you ought to consider.

Not just not into it. I just don't feel that way at all. I'm sort of, you know what I mean? Have a lot to appreciate and everything. And I love my family, but there aren't that many people like that.

And it is, it is the product of generational wealth. I mean, there are a lot, but statistically, there are a lot of people who, I mean, what's transgenderism?

It's, it's a form of suicide, of course. What's drug addiction? A form of suicide. What's chronic obesity? A form of suicide.

It's all kind of branches from the same tree. And so it's really about the spirit. And that's why, you know, if you did immigration right, which we're not doing at all, we're using immigration as another tool to destroy the country. But you could conceivably, you know, add the energy and the non-suicidal impulses into your country or gene pool. That would be good.

But I don't kind of see a way out. Like the people who were born in 1969, as I was, you know, just a lot of them had just given up. So what would you say as an employer and as, as an immigrant who made it here, what would you say to, like a 22 year old man who can't get a job, go to some stupid college, get some meaningless marketing degree, and you can't get a job. You're a white man. You can't get a job.

What would you, and then they're on the internet, all upset. They're not dating. It's like, it's a, it's a disaster. I'm seeing it all around me. Yeah.

What would you say to that kid?

That's going to be a better university for you than anything else. We're sitting here last night, who learned the most, the guys that were here that are watching the exchange, the questioning. Okay. What do you think about this? What about that?

Going back and forth to somebody that's 22 years old. Yesterday was six months worth of media lessons last night. What we just went through, right? Think about what that happened, those three hours last night. What would a 22 year old gain from that?

What would I gain at 22 if we were at that room? You're like, Oh my God, it's crazy. Okay. I get, this makes sense. So I think to me, it's more goal, find the right people to duplicate and shadow and support them.

And if you can work under them as closely as possible, that'd be a better degree for you than anything else. But let me go back to kind of what you were saying, saying I'm 55 years old. The guys that were born in 1969, they're kind of like, like, I'm just like, you know, but that's, they've given up, but that's exactly what they want you to do. That's exactly what you're doing. No, not you.

Meaning that's exactly what the person's wanting. That's exactly what they want you to do. They want you to be sitting there saying, yeah, I mean, what can I do? You know, I'm just like, I can't do anything about it. in, in every organization, in every great movie, every great story, every great book, the hero's journey you go through.

It's typically the guy that doesn't want to do it. People are trying to encourage him. And then finally, one day clicks boom. And then, boom, you know, something happens. Spirit opens up.

They go in intentional, a certain level of conviction, deep down inside where you're saying there's something different about the way this guy's selling it to me than others. I don't know why I like this guy. I trust this guy. He seems reasonable. I can listen to this guy.

I think those guys are out there. And the idea years ago, you know, they asked Castro's, Hey, if you had to do it all over again, how many thousands of people would you need to be able to pursue your vision of communism and all this other, would it be 10,000?? Would it be a hundred thousand? Would it be a thousand? He says, I need one person who's a hundred percent true believer.

It's all I need. Would one, we would have done it all over again, right? There's this idea that we think we need 70, 80, a thousand, 10,000.. We need one person who we can rally behind. And, by the way, the other thing I would also say is, you know, the founding fathers, 1776, they did what they did.

Benjamin Rush, you got all these guys, Smith, Jefferson, you know, Washington, of course, Franklin, all these names, right?

Where are those guys today who are getting together once a month, once a quarter, once every six months to talk, where are those guys today? Where are those guys today? Do we not need those guys today? And I'm not talking about Congress, Senate. I'm talking about guys that can hold those guys accountable.

Where are those guys today? I don't know, but I think, uh, you know, the great thing about what's been going on the last four years, specifically, maybe started 16, got pretty bad in COVID 2020, 2021.. The one thing that's been very weird, the last four years, the right people are finding each other. I totally agree. It's a.

I agree. And, by the way, I think a couple of it also, we got to give credit to the right people. You got to give credit to capitalism, because I think what Danny elected with Spotify, defending Rogan, was monumental. I agree with that. I think that was a very, very big move.

on what he did. I think Musk buying Twitter and X monumental. If act doesn't do what he does, he fires Rogan. If Ilan never buys Twitter, this is not the same America. So there's been also good moves behind closed doors, where people are sitting there and saying, okay, all right, shit.

If we act up and we give strikes for everything and we lose these guys, they got a place to go Spotify. And they got a place to go Twitter and X. that is problem that we can't lose that guy. Because if we do, then people are going to be like, this is the censorship crowd. that, Oh, what?

So what do we got to do to get rid of Ilan? Defamation. We got to do, we got to find everything and anything we can on him, right? Or what do we got to do with Spotify? He doesn't give a shit.

He's living in a different country. Can't do anything to him. And, by the way, Spotify numbers came out right now. I don't know if you saw the reports from this morning saying 64% of fans of the podcast they follow, they rely on them for their political views than what they get from mainstream media, and their numbers has grown. It's a beautiful.

Ever since Saab went out of business, I kind of lost faith, but Spotify. Beautiful car. Yes. Very sporty. So what is, I'm really strong.

I'm struck by so many things. I mean, that's how I spent my life. But one, how is this shaking out? There are a lot of conservative media outlets that I sort of took semi-seriously. that now I don't take seriously at all.

They're obviously fake.

And the news outlets I worked for for the past 30 years, they're either all gone or they're about to be gone. NBC News is going to be, they're all going away, obviously. So how does, what does the landscape look in five years? In the media space? Yeah.

What Peacock did, paying $110 million for the Dolphins game against the Chiefs and had 23 million people watching that. they had to pay, what, $499 or $999.. That changed the game with sports. So cable's sitting there saying, holy shit, what are we going to do now? I think they just signed two NFL games that either Amazon or Netflix, one of those guys paid some hundred million dollars, $120 million.

So you're seeing sports make the transition out of cable TV, because cable TV has been saved by three communities. You've got the boomers, you've got the sports community, and you've got Big Pharma. You take those three out, there is no cable. It's gone. Big Pharma gets their advertising dollars through there.

So you need one president to come in and say, hey, we're not going to be one of two, like New, Zealand, allowing you guys to advertise on TV. You're gone. Do it elsewhere. You're not going to advertise anymore. You know who goes out of business if they do that?

80% of these guys, if not more. Boomers, it's just a matter of time.

He's in this cult, Scientology. By the end of that, I was like, you know what? I don't know, Tom Cruise, but I'm kind of pro Tom Cruise because that guy is telling the truth. I don't care if it's because of his weird religion or whatever. That's the truth.

That's one area where he's like, we have to look into this. What's going on with this? And he's kept the counter to him at the time the kid was 16 years old. But I think there's some moments and they.

We know he's got TDS. We know he loses his mind, but when it comes down to vaccine and autism, that is a very personal thing to him. But can you imagine?

They're forcing your kids to take this stuff.

When we get our report from the guy that's running the hotel, what number do we want? at the end of the month? We want to know, out of the 31 days, this month times 2000 beds, that's 60,000 times that these beds could have been rented. How many times were they rented? Okay.

And I say, well, you know, we were at 89%. Can we get it to 92%? So what do we need? We need people staying in our hotel to make money. That's our business model.

The business model of a hotel isn't to have only 10% of the rooms being used. You need people to stay back. Okay. So what's the business model of hospitals? I must be totally different, right?

Right. So we need those beds to be filled. And, by the way, do you know the kind of numbers? when, do you know what is a number one industry for them? Number one industry.

If you ask right now, what's the number one industry of the most money they did last year? You know what most people would say? Would they say energy, oil? You know, that's only a half a trillion. You know, what's number one hospitals?

Yeah. One and a half trillion dollars. And when they ask him on how much you charge for a basic surgery, bypass or whatever it is, there ranges from, you know, $44,000 up to 580,000.. Why is that range such a big range? And, by the way, who controls your pricing?

and do you guys have to report on what it really costs you to do this? And I think under Trump, I don't know if you remember this in 2020, 2021, he kind of came out with a law forcing hospitals to report honestly, like, here's what you're doing. I think out of 500 hospitals, they audited for 71, never even completed their numbers on what they're going. So they're charging people. So most people think it's providers making a lot of money.

Providers are not making a lot of money. They're losing money. The people that are making money. So hospital models, I need sick people, big pharma models. I need new diagnosis.

The more new diagnosis I have, the more new drugs I can sell. So I need new drug diagnosis. What is the, you know, a contractor's model, military contractor? I need war. If we don't have war, how the hell are we going to make money?

If I go to mainstream media, what do I need? Controversy, conflict, chaos. That's how I make my money. When you actually look at the business model of what these guys are doing, they need chaos and problems to keep making money. Okay.

So that part is a very concerning thing. So, going back to the mainstream media, three things, keeping them in boomers, big pharma rumors and sports sports. So now what sports is happening is a lot of these sports guys are realizing cable's not paying. Well, I'm going to go sign a contract with Peacock, with Netflix, with Amazon, with all these guys, they're paying good money. They got a lot of money.

These other guys are dying. Some of these smaller sports market are saying, I don't want.

means nothing to me. What you're paying me. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go out and put it on my own OTT. I'm going to put them out over the top.

You want to watch the game? You can only see it on the Phoenix suns over the top. So, Holy shit. Cable's like, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that.

That's problematic. Not a small market. TV is getting crushed. So cable problematic. They got to figure out a solution there.

Let's go to conservative side. on the conservative side. You got daily wire that they're dealing with, you know, whatever happened between Candace and Ben, which has been a, uh, a problem that they've been trying to clean up, whatever the reasons are behind it. That's, you know, the landscape of what they did, the decision-making process, you kind of saw a few different things. Everybody, whether it's from October 7th, specifically from October 7th, as a, as a place to go, everybody, you can tell, like if we're living in LA and we're trying to find out what gang everybody is in.

Okay. Those guys are Ms. 13.. These guys are blood. They're crib.

They're this, they're that you all of a sudden saw, okay, these guys are Israel. above all. These guys are conservative. above all. These guys are debate.

above all. These guys are discourse. above all. This is curiosity. This is built on pure money and profit and wanting to sell and be a SPAC and go on the stock market and sell.

And I'm a billionaire. No problem. But what you did filter out in the last, it was accelerated. It was like, ah, boom. We learned about everybody in six months from October 7th.

It was everybody got exposed and now they're trying to backtrack. Well, no, not really. Well, no, not really. Well, no, not really. And that will.

no, not really is going to be tough, because you have to maneuver through a lot of the stuff that you said in the last six, seven months. And the market's going to hold everybody accountable for what you said. Those clips are not going away, right? So what's their future look like? Who?

specifically, daily wire, daily wire. What's their future look like? I don't know. I don't know their board. I know they have the factoring of fracking guys, the oil billionaire guys, that, based on what I hear from people, they're Jews for Jesus and good guys.

Uh, you have to sit there and ask yourself, okay, if you make this decision, the way you did, no problem. We'll support your decision. Is there a board and daily wire? I don't know. Do Jeremy boring and Ben Shapiro have a board to process when they're making a big decision?

Maybe, maybe not. If they do, board is held accountable. Was it a good decision? Was it not? If they don't, then the money people have to say, well, you give a lot of, you know, freedom to these guys to make the decision.

So then the money. people are going to go out there to want to raise more money. And who can you now go to raise money? Uh, you can definitely go to every single billionaire that's Jewish and say, Hey, look what we did. You should be proud of us.

Here's a position we took. No problem. We'll give you $200 million. And there's a lot of money there. That money's not going away.

And that money's all over the place. So if somebody is pro Israel and there's a lot of money there, that's an unlimited access to money. So I don't think that's going to go away. People are like, Oh my God, daily wire is going to go. No, they're not.

They got money. And there's plenty of people that are going to back them up. Then you have to see who backs them up. What media organizations behind closed doors, what institutions, organizations, will go after anybody that says anything bad about them. in what way?

defamation, digging up stories, articles. Is that what they're going to do? Who knows? character assassination? Nobody knows.

That's speculative to see what they're going to be doing.

You had Steve Schmidt on. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

that's going through it. Yeah. And, by the way, part of DeSantis, Trump, was also not a good thing. I think we'll recover from that. No problem.

I think DeSantis is making the right moves right now, getting closer to Trump, building that relationship. I'm here to support you. I think that's the right move for him to make. I wish he would have done it earlier, but never too late for him to take that route. But, uh, I think,

he needs to go read the book, 48 laws of power. I don't know if you read the book laws of power. He needs to go read 48 laws of power by himself. Don't tell anybody about it. If he sees, Okay.

He needs to go read 40 laws of power and realize the number one mistake DeSantis made is law number one. So all he needs to do, it's all I'm going to say, what's law number one, law number one is never outshine your master. And that's what he did. You don't ever do that. Okay.

And in this case, master is a bad word to use, but you can replace masters with the guy that helped you become a governor. Yeah. You never outshine that guy. That is the kiss of death. When you do that, you cannot do that because that person forever is going to know that secretly.

you always want to take them out to have his throne. And once that's out there, that guy cannot, in the back of his mind, ever take that away from his brain. It's always going to be here. It's going to be like, Oh, I know where you're at. Okay.

No problem. Oh, no, but no, no, I know what you want. I know, deep down inside, you want my throne. No problem. Versus a role.

He could have played like a, uh, uh, Godfather. What is it? Uh, that, that Robert Duvall plays. I always butchers him as Tom Hagner. What's the guy's name?

The consigliere to, to the boss. You obviously watch many movies.

Very obviously you're a big movie guy here, but no, I think that's the part. I think once he did that, it was bad for him, but he's 45.. He's got plenty of run rate. He just needs to be a phenomenal flag carrier. And what kind of flag carrier ever ascend to the alpha position?

For sure. Biden was a flag carrier. Yeah, for sure. George Bush senior is a flag carrier. Uh, Nixon was a flag carrier.

You know, there's a, the model of flag here is actually very easy to be a president. Ulysses S. Grant was a flag carrier, right? And then, boom, he became two term, not necessarily the best president, but they did become a president. So if he's solving for being a president, you can do it, but you gotta be a great flag carrier.

Uh, most of the time, flag carriers are not the best communicators. Most of the time, flag carriers are not the best to get up there and do what they do. They need somebody to edify them. So if you're not the best orator speaker, uh, you're a very good day to day. getting policies and stuff done, which he can do is a very smart guy.

You need a big orator with a big mic to defend you and back you up. He lost that mic and he's got to figure out it would have gained a mic back for 2028.. Fascinating. I think.

Oh man. I mean, listen, anybody, that's a big talent, deep down inside, there's probably some ego, some, a lot of ego, like I'm better than you. ego. I'm smart in that guy. And you know, it's, it's tough to admit to a mistake while you're going through it.

Some of these guys made massive mistakes, right? Now, the problem like what the position you take with Candace, that's a problematic position. to give him credit. He came out and said, uh, you know, daily wire is not a platform where a publisher, as a publisher, we can't let go of anybody. You're right.

Yeah, totally fine. You can do that for sure. And then the argument as well, you know, we had Dave Rubin on and Ruben says, well, you know, you don't know the whole story and you know, what's going on there. And she had said something and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. Okay.

Yeah. She questioned certain questions. Now you may say we're not comfortable with this. No problem. Um, but your position, when, you know, you knock off, you, you go after, you know, Candace, talk about crisis kink, and then you're playing the games.

And then, if the story comes out, the fact that they use Candace asking Ben for a debate as a form of getting the gag order, if that story comes out, let's just say that story is true. I think Glenn Greenwald reported on it. If that is true, if it's not true, well then Glenn Greenwald has got to go through and say what he's got to say. But if that story is true, that they use the tweet from Candace to almost lure in and then call the lawyers to, if that story ever comes out in the next year, two years, three years, if that comes out, that's a, that's very problematic, because talent is going to have to feel comfortable, going somewhere. Great talent is going to, uh, great talent is going to have to go somewhere that they feel safe.

They feel protected. A Dana White is a great case study for this. Conor McGregor, a diva, loud, problematic, sometimes chaotic. Dana knows how to work with them. Okay.

Phil Jackson, nobody wanted Dennis Rodman. Phil knows how to work with Dennis Rodman. Come here. We'll win. He goes to the Lakers.

Come here. We'll win. They did right. And before Chuck, uh, daily, who was a coach of the Pistons, you know, Draymond green, Steve Kirk can handle it, right? It's sometimes talent.

If you look at how they are, there needs to be somebody that knows how to work with them as well. You have to show, as a publisher, as a media company, that you know how to get talent, build them up. And also, you know how to be on closed doors to massage and work with them while they're going through their changes. as a talent. If you don't know how to manage ego and manage divas, uh, you're eventually going to lose your best talent to elsewhere that knows how to do that.

And number two, the divas are always going to be scared of someone like you. Cause that's the one thing they don't want. They don't want to go to a place to be like, Hey, here's what I need you to do. And then what eventually ends up happening is the following eventually, look at Fox's reputation. You got Bill O'Reilly, you got Beck, you got Megan, you got you.

Okay. What do all four of you guys have in common? I know them all. Of course you do. You guys were all number one.

You guys crushed it on cable TV for God knows how many years. And you guys all had a ugly fallen out at the end. Fox has to rebuild that reputation. If they want to attract talent like that, if not, what they're going to end up catching themselves doing is especially at a time where more people are realizing, I don't need you. This is very problematic.

Like it's not like the leverages on them. They can, the way, the way some of these media companies are acting today, they could have gone away with that 20 years ago. You can't today, because talent has a choice. They didn't have a choice 20 years ago. Where am I going to go?

20 years ago? Think about it. 20 years ago, if I'm working for CNN or MSNBC and I got a show and Rachel Maddow and whatever, Brian Stelter, and you know, all the guys that you, and all of a sudden they go super left and you're in between the Maddow show. Boom. You know what?

I just don't think they have a place for me. This guy's done. Wait, that actually happened to me. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm reading.

And so I was like, that sounds so familiar. Well, you know, and then Jon Stewart, you know, well, let me tell you, you just got to stop. By the way, that would be a very good, interesting podcast. if you ever do with Jon Stewart. I don't know.

Um, yeah, it would be,

I, but I just try to think, I have such contempt for him. I guess maybe that would make it hard. I like interviewing people. I disagree with Chris Cuomo. I interviewed and you know, I totally disagree with Chris Cuomo on so much and I've made fun of him so much.

I've been really mean to him, but I don't have contempt for Chris Cuomo at all. actually. Uh, but Jon Stewart, I have total contempt for him. I don't, I think he's like, I. just, I don't have no respect at all and I never have.

And that hasn't changed in the 20 years since I last saw him. So it's, it's hard to interview. Have you ever interviewed someone you have no respect for at all? Of course. It's hard.

Of course it is. I don't like it. It's not easy. I don't give a shit. what you say.

I mean, you're pathetic. Yeah. It's not even your real name. Like everything about you is fake. You're just fake.

And you're kind of a dumb person posing as a smart person, like everything about it. Ugh, barf. So I don't know if I could do that.

Right. But Jon Stewart's like a freaking NPR listener who takes it seriously. He's just like, I'm just so over.

Well, I thought I won then.

I'm a little out of it. But you may have won. Oh, I lost in the court of public opinion, for sure. Right. That's the part.

It's not even a conversation. Yeah. So you were.

But for the most part, you know, uh, look at Marco Rubio. Oh, he's a considered a vice presidential, uh, potential. What? After what happened? hands?

Yeah. And people move on. People, you know, this is a very media. politics, sports. You talk shit, you get pissed, cannot believe it, cliquish, all this stuff.

And then eventually somebody, typically behind closed door, says, what matters more, your ego or America? Well, can I have both? Not all the time. Okay. Then America, you're going to raise your kids here.

Yes. All right. Let's figure this thing out. And we move.

People are still mad at Chris Cuomo about COVID. That's my, is that your take on it?

more now, I think it's more now. And here's why it's more now, because at least four years ago, one side loved him and the other side hated him. four years ago. Now, both sides hate him. You may say why?

Very simple. So he was there to the left, to the establishment. He was a hero. Yes. You should take the vaccine.

What is all this horse, you know, Ivermectin, stuff? What's this all about? You're being irresponsible. Byron, Donaldson. Yes.

What a great citizen. Cuomo is right. Face of CNN, big pharma and all these guys. We like what he's doing. Right.

And the writer's like, why are you making me take it? I don't want to take it. Let it be my choice. Now you mean to tell me you're going from that position to on the podcast saying, I'm taking Ivermectin now. And yeah, I guess Joe Rogan was right.

You're saying that now. And I'm Vax injured. And I'm not only Vax injured. And then, when I ask him, if COVID comes back in 2026 and they're forcing everybody to take the vaccine, would you take it? He says, absolutely not.

So you wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take it. Okay. So obviously, when he says that, you have to keep in mind that, how is Fauci feel about that? Probably not good.

How is people from CDC, the doctors, how do they feel about it? Probably not good. How about some of the people from his side that were all on a show and he was taking care of him, defending him. They can't stand him right now, because what he's doing is he's bringing back something that's been under the and almost disappeared. because everybody's now talking about what immigration, everybody's talking about all these other issues and immigration, you know, election 2024..

Yeah. What happened? What about the gain of function? Yeah. But forget about it.

But let's focus on all this stuff. What about what China, let's talk about. October 7th. Exactly. So I think, what he's.

Clearly, his former allies are mad. They feel betrayed. He's exposing the lies, but doesn't that give him new allies? I mean, I'm having dinner tonight, for example, with Glenn Greenwald, who I love and consider a friend of mine. Sure.

And Glenn Greenwald must have written 50 pieces attacking me 20 years ago. Right. But then we aligned on a couple of big issues, real issues. And I'm like, I'm happy to be friends with Glenn Greenwald. I've changed my views on a lot of issues.

I believe in repentance. I think change is essential as the facts change. So should your conclusions. like this is all good. And so normally the once was lost now and found.

people find a new home, but he doesn't seem to have found a new home. No, because he hasn't.

It's the.

Imagine all of a sudden you get so close to Fauci and you're all of a sudden hanging out with Rachel Maddow. You guys are best friends and you're hanging out with all these guys on the left. And suddenly you sit there and say, no, the right was wrong. Everybody should take the vaccine. Everybody should go through it.

Okay. So, imagine you take a position like that. Suddenly, how's your wife feel about it? How's your family feel about it? How do your lineage of what you've done, your history, where you come from, how did they feel about it?

So you have to sleep next to your wife. Now, you know, so for Chris, as he's going through this process and you're talking to the guy off camera, my kids absolutely love this guy. when he comes in. He wrestles, does jujitsu with my kids. They're doing this, they're doing that off camera.

We have the most fieriest arguments. Hour, two, hour, three hour, just absolute, like boom, boom, boom. And then, Hey, okay, man, I'll talk to you next week. Done. Right.

And a part of me, I'm not speaking on his behalf. This is something he needs to make a decision for himself is when I go through it and I process it, he gives me zero vibes of somebody's on the left. Zero.

Vaccine, not for it. now. Doesn't like what happened with it. You know, when he thinks about certain things with military, there's so many things that you can go on, but it goes, you know, he has risen, you know, who's the only person that texts me when it's Easter or any of these, the first guy that texts me, it's him. So, spiritually, what he's going through, these are all stuff that you're looking at.

Like, okay, maybe he's going through it. Maybe he's going through what he's doing right now, but for him to come out.

But they don't respect you more for repeating their lies. They actually see you as a bitch. when you do that. They want you to be strong. They're feminists in the first place because they haven't been around men who are just honest and correct and strong.

So you cannot be afraid of them. And I really get the feeling like he can't say certain things because he's afraid of the feminists. I put something above.

His father, his brother, I put that as number one. And I feel like if he comes out and fully flips, he gets that. And the other part, for me, is a...

There's that community as well. Who are those people? That's the dumbest thing I've.

No. What mistakes did you make that you?

I followed orders. Those are the marks of a weak man. And I was, and I'm embarrassed of that. By the way, I apologize all the time. As long as it's sincere, then you win.

Lying makes you weak. Telling the truth makes you strong. It's super simple. You know, it's crazy. Check this out.

And that led into the consulting from David consulting. You go to bed, David.com or Manect, all that stuff. That's the entrepreneur side. We would look at what words in the titles would do best words. Okay.

So let's go through a couple of them. Rules. Very good word for YouTube. 20 rules of whatever. 10 rules of whatever.

So rules for whatever reason, great word for YouTube. People want to get rules, 12 rules for life. Jordan Peterson, 20 rules for money, 7 million views on YouTube. that I did 10 years ago. And people want to learn the rules of money.

Basic video. It's nothing crazy about it. 20 rules for money. Okay. Another word.

And I'm kind of going through this thing as an entrepreneur, as a whatever. So, you know, uh, seven keys to success as a parent, as an entrepreneur, as a journalist, as a doctor, as a student, as a whatever. at the end of the title. Okay. So that's end of the title triggers back.

as a student. I'm a student. Boom. That audience, it's an evergreen title. People keep coming back and watching it.

Right. These are words, you know, what's one of the most powerful words, uh, that we would put on? titles. Absolutely crush it. Mistakes.

Yeah. 10 mistakes I made. Okay. So now, running an insurance company,

anytime, you and I would go up and we would only talk about the things we did, right. One of the worst speeches you give, nobody feels they can do it. So what I would do is sometimes I would get my best guys and some guys that have gone through some stuff. And let's just say their ego is not allowing it. And I'm picking the topics for my guys and all our guys already know what this is all about.

I would say, uh, you have 20 minutes at MGM grand arena. I want you to talk about, uh, the 10 biggest mistakes you made in your career. And they knew that would give me the smirk. Oh shit. I'm going through it.

Right. So then we'd go to the event. and then there's ways you spin mistakes. While the mistakes I made is trusting people too much. And it's always like, I don't know if you care, like a person, the mistake is always on the other person.

Like, Oh, you know, Diddy's apology. Hey, I, I, I, I, I never mentioned Cassie, never did. Right. But, but I think it's disgusting to watch that. It's disgusting to watch that.

But one of the most attractive qualities of a human being, there's a lot of qualities. You're looking like, I just don't like that guy, man. I want to like you. I can't like you. You're annoying.

One of the most attractive qualities of a human being is self-deprecation. Of course, when you can sit there and self deprecate, laugh at yourself, make fun of yourself. The audience is like, but why is that so appealing? Think it through. Because none of us walk on water.

We all make mistakes. It telegraphs strength. That's what strong people do.

Strong people are happy to admit them because they're transparent. They've got nothing to hide. That's a sign of strength. It's the surest sign of strength. In fact, it's the only sign of strength.

So not apologizing diminishes you dramatically. You're fearful. That's why you can't apologize. Right? Yeah.

But he's got it again. I'm not talking about Chris specifically, who again, I really like. And I will say just to be very clear again, if he can't fully.

apologize for the things he said that were demonstrably wrong, because he doesn't want to dishonor the memory of his father or alienate his brother, I respect that. I do. It's worth wrecking your career to remain loyal to your family. You know what I learned? We're on the.

Well, that's good influence. One of mine is a very intimidating, massive, uh, I don't know if you're into big dogs. I have a 15 pound Shih Tzu, extremely intimidating, but this guy loves me and he makes me feel very confident. by the way. That's what matters.

He believes in me. And that's where I get my. No matter how embarrassing the dog, as long as he loves you. He's amazing. He's been my number one therapist for 15 years.

But so, you know, when you look at the last three people you speak to, I can't take inventory of that. What do you think? What do you think? Sometimes you want to go through somebody and ask, what do you think? Maybe it's your wife.

Maybe it's your brother. Maybe it's a former mentor. Maybe it's a father. Maybe whoever you're, what do you think community is, is the reason why you're making the decision? the way that you are.

That's for sure. The better the, what do you think, community you have, the better way you handle conflicts. I don't know the, what do you think community is for Chris.

I love Dave. Yeah. Dave's a, uh, I think he's a, he's a star that can be a superstar in the right environment. That guy has what it takes to really strive. Um, anybody that gets a chance to sign him, they should.

And if he kind of signs with somebody long-term five years, he finds a way. Should he be a comedian or a political commentator? I think he cares about policies more than comedy. I think, uh, um, you know, he likes comedy. I think that's his creative side, but he has a serious side that he needs to find a way to tap into it.

I don't know what his vision is. He knows what he wants to do with his life, but Dave and Chris will be having a Friday night debate at our comedy club cigar lounge in Fort Lauderdale, May 31st, 69 PM, live audience. Who's going to win?

Whoever is straight up and doesn't.

Yeah. Fantastic. For real. Yeah. And very smart.

as a debater. I can say that guy is good. And, but second, Dave can say whatever he wants. You know, he's not, you know what I mean? He's already made his break, with, that's right.

You know, family members who disagree with him or whatever, but he's totally unencumbered. And Chris is from a very famous family, brother and dad were governing the state.