Tim Dillon: Disney, Boomers, and the Creepy Corporations that Pretend to Love You
2024-05-30 02:05:42
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Here's the latest. Do you have strong feelings about Disney?
Yeah, I do.
It's terrible.
You think Disney's terrible?
I think it's become terrible.
I kind of agree with that, but I can't quite articulate why.
Well, it's lazy.
Disney's lazy.
It's the, you know, it's like, you know, when people take their kids on vacation there, it's like, I understand it. But there's other places to go that are real, that have actual history. You could teach your kids about the country, you could teach them about anything, you could teach them about things that have actually happened. I don't think Disney World is a terrible place to go, but you shouldn't be doing it every year. There's people that go every year, there's people that go without children, there's people that go.-.
Without children, yes.
Why would they go without children because people are sick? I mean, there's this whole, you know, there's this whole group of Disney adults, people that really enjoy Disney World. They meet their wives at Disney World, they meet their husbands at Disney World. And yet somehow, then not procreate. And they love it, and they say they remain children forever, which I don't think is the goal of life.
And yeah, I just think it's, you know, it's upsetting when I see it.
So it's like, it's like an emotional retardation. The kids-.
Yeah, you're looking at people that are stunted, they're unable, for whatever reason, to access other. There's a lot of art in America, there's, you know, a lot of literature, there's a lot of film. It's not all cartoons, it's not all Disney. Not to take anything away from, you know, a lot of the great Disney classics. But it's supposed to be the beginning of your journey, and not the whole thing, you know what? I mean, the little Mermaid is supposed to start you off, but then you go and find other things. And what's terribly depressing to me, or disturbing, or both, is that. You have people that are still as into it as they were when they were five, except they're 40..
I think that's a big problem and it's not cheap.
I mean, I've never been-.
No, it's hot, it's very hot, and it's not cheap, and it's. They have all these meal plans now that they offer people which is like these terrible, you know, kind of gross food that they'll give you throughout the day. You know, if you pay like an all-inclusive fee, someone will go and put a churro in your mouth every half hour and then you have, you know, you know, it's. There's a lot of. There's a lot of Disney like people out there talking about how to do the parks. There are these people, plus size people that are now trying to review Disney rides to see if they fit in them.
There are people that's I have YouTube videos dedicated to the type of shoes you have to wear. At Disney World. Because there's a lot of walking, there's people that go, I love Disney World, but I refuse to walk. Is there a way can I get? So, I mean, it's it's become very big with the maybe voluntarily disabled community where you have.-.
Is anyone voluntarily disabled?
It seems to be we have a few people. I mean, I'm not an Olympic swimmer, I'm not, I'm not going out there and, you know, shitting on people. But I'm saying there are people that seem more excited about the scooters and the wheelchairs and everything like that. And a lot of them love Disney World.
What's the connection? Just societal collapse.
Well, societal collapse is, I think, the big connection. But there's something about being a child forever and a place that tells you you should be a child forever, and that it is good to have the qualities of a child forever.
So it's like a diaper fetish.
It's kind of a diaper fetish, it's kind of like there was a woman who in New Hampshire, wanted to open a diaper spa where adults would wear diapers. Because they have some type of fetish where they like to be in diapers. And this woman was trying to open it in this tiny New Hampshire town, and many people in the town got mad at her. You know, it's very hard to open a small business.
And nobody really wanted that. And it was a diaper spa. I was for it because I said, if you make the migrants that are coming into this country work at the diaper Spa, they'll just go to Europe. So I said, we don't need a wall, we just need to, like, kind of, you know, get everyone over to the diaper spa.
But I put the kind of modern, a lot of the modern Disney world, cultural stuff, kind of just above. The diaper spa. Where you have people that are going to this place where they feel like children, I don't know what it is. I think you should go for your children, it's an experience for them when it becomes about you in any way, I think it's sick.
But it also seems like kind of important, like this is a measure of something.
Yes, I do. I mean, I think that this is a weird, there's a weird obsession with, you know, this idea that you're like, this is me. I have no shame.
And I'm, you know, there should be things I think that people are ashamed of, or they like, quietly. Maybe if you love Disney World and you're an adult, you shouldn't announce it to the world. I don't need sweatshirts and t-shirts and tank tops and mickey hats. And I don't need to see on your social media how much you adore Disney World, you know, and if you can't fit in a ride at Disney World. Just I don't need you to review that on YouTube. For everyone, like, there is something about keeping some things close to the vest.
Because they're shameful.
Well, because they're certainly not ideal. And the idea that it's, you know, this is not your best self that you're putting out there. And I understand as a comedian, there's a lot of things that we do where we don't put out our best self. You know? But then there are, you know? But we always try to make that funny, and we make it funny and we make a joke out of it. But there are a lot of people out there now, I feel like that are forcing the world to accept them in their worst iteration, if that makes any sense.
Without admitting that that iteration sucks.
Yeah, without admitting that that iteration, at the very least, needs some work. And I think there's a lot of people out there that are just like, Hey, this is me, this is it.
That sounds like giving up.
There's a lot of giving up, I think.
Do you feel that around us people are giving up?
I think there's a lot of people that don't see a future, and technology has made the world pretty isolating. And I think, which is the exact opposite of what it was intended to.
Yes, I remember that you're old enough to remember the promise of technology which would bring us together.
Connection Everybody's going to be together, but it seems pretty isolating and I think a lot of people are out there and they're not. They don't see any future that they are excited about. And they don't think they can have a family or afford the standard of living that they would want a family to have. And so I think there are a lot of people out there that struggle with that, for sure.
And technology is related to that.
Well, I think technology has.
Certainly, it's lessened community, and I think physical communities have suffered a little bit. Because all of the way that everyone grows up now is pretty flattened, everybody's been flattened by technology. Meaning everybody's looking at the same things, the same algorithms, they're being fed, the same stimuli, the same inputs. Whereas when I grew up, you would meet people from different regions of the country, and they grew up completely different.
And they had different musical tastes, and they had completely different histories and cultural influences.
And accents.
And accents and everything, and everybody came together, and there was this really interesting cultural diffusion. That happened when you met someone from Louisiana and someone from Seattle, Washington. Now, I got to be honest with you, I feel like that's less true. I feel like it's less true. Because I think everybody's kind of growing up with these same algorithms, they're being fed the same things.
And when you meet people, they're not as interesting as they once were. Because you've all kind of had a similar childhood, whether you know it or not. Because you've been fed the exact same stimuli over and over again every day on your phone.
Which, I mean, even leaving aside the potential for, like, controlling people's brains and making them obedient serfs, which does seem like the point to me. It homogenizes everything and makes everyone just sort of flat and boring.
It makes everybody boring. And it's one of the things that, again, you would think that the great promise of technology would be the exact opposite. Which is that everybody was going to be more unique or more interesting, but that hasn't happened.
Well, I sort of noticed this with the early Apple ads, and the idea behind the personal computer was this is your window into the world. But it's also a way to broadcast your own unique qualities. And you're you, you're distinct from everyone else. And then you look at the Apple store and everyone's dressed exactly the same, they have the same nose ring, the same t-shirt. The store, to me, just screamed, Obey.
Right?
Well, that's what it seems like. Yeah, there seems to be a comfort in that type of making everything very clean and homogenized. Where everybody is kind of, you know, expected to have the same value system, and that value system is kind of being given to them.
I was really struck last night at the dinner that we had. By how many people you know and by how many places you are. All the time, like, all the time, not just on tour, but like, you seem to be talking to people. And that was the opposite of the life. I thought comedians lived. Where you're sort of alone online in your hotel room. Well, how do you do that?
Yeah, well, I'm. I can't speak for all comedians, but I know a lot of us do travel a lot and a lot of us talk to. But I've always just been very curious about the world. So I'm incredibly curious about why things are the way they are. Why certain people and certain ideas become popular, why certain things seem to be inevitable, how the society is set up. The things that we know, the things we don't know, the kind of hidden, you know, power structures that we start to realize how enduring they are. As we get older, you don't realize that when you're young, everything when you're young seems to be, you know. I remember watching Saturday Night Live as a kid, which was a hilarious show that I loved, and it was bush and gore and it was very funny. And it was these two guys, uh, and you know, we had Will Ferrell.
I forgot, I think Daryl Hammond did Al Gore and it was really funny, and you thought that was what the world was. It was these just we have two people. They have opposing ideas, yes.
We all go vote and then one of those people becomes a president for four years. And then that person, it acts. Uh, an agenda that people either disagree with or agree with to, you know, and that person has varying degrees of success. And then they're judged four years later.
That's what I thought.
That's what everyone thought. I think my understanding now of this country is so much deeper and more complex and more interesting than it. It, uh, you know, originally was. Because now I, I believe that those things are only part of the larger story of of how the country actually operates.
What changed your view, like, when was the moment when you realized that's not actually what's happening?
I was, I read a book called Family of Secrets, which was an interesting book by a guy named Russ Baker, and he wrote it about the Bush family. And it was about, uh, you know, basically a lot of these events, from from JFK to Watergate. That he had kind of this alternate understanding of how these events had happened. And he had gone and interviewed lots of people and he had researched. I think the book took him about five years and I. It was a it came out in, I think 2007 or 2009, maybe, and I was reading it. I was in the mortgage business that had fallen apart and there was nothing to do.
So we'd all sit in our offices and kind of fuck off because it was nothing to do. So. I was reading this book and, um, it was, really, did you get it? Uh, Barnes and Noble? Or, you know, it was just a. it was a book. yeah, it was just a book on your own.
Yeah.
Just on my own and me and a friend were reading it and we each got them and I was reading it and I. I started to analyze things in a way that I never had before, and basically, I was it was. It was kind of this light that went off in my head and I'm like, Well, what if everyone's lying, you know? what if everyone's not telling the truth? What would it look like then?
What would it look like if everyone was just making things up or telling you what you wanted to hear? And I mean, it was like, you know, it really is an interesting way to look at things. It's a bit cynical, but when you start looking at all these things, you go, it doesn't even make sense. It doesn't make sense. That you'd have a country where you have all these billionaires and then they would be told what to do by these people in Congress that have no money. And some of them are are, you know, relatively uneducated. And you have all these billionaires that are, you know, controlling large sectors of the economy. But they're just going to take edicts from, like the guy, the local milkman that ran for Congress and Georgia, and the he's going to tell those guys what to do.
That never made sense to me, and it also never made sense to me that when I watched SNL as a kid, you know, I'd watch these debates. And they were almost identical to the ones on TV. They were kind of silly and they were, you know, you'd have these two guys. And Bush wasn't a great speaker, and Gore was kind of insufferable, and they did these characters really well. But I'm like, it's so weird that a comedy show is almost identical to the actual world that we live in. I'm like, there's no way that that's the only level of power in the country, there's very little chance that that's how it is.
And then, you know, you start reading. You read books like The Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot, about creation of the National Security State, about the Dulles Brothers and how influential they were. And you, you read all these books that you found at Salon.com and stuff like that, and then wrote that book. It was completely, uh, you know, removed from polite society, but you read all these books, you get interested in it. It was just very interesting to me.
You know, I was an actor as a little kid, and I, you know what kind of actor, you know? Not a successful one. But my parents would like, you know, take me into the city for auditions. I wouldn't get anything. Because I was, you know, I was a cute little kid, but I had like, a gravelly voice and I. It just didn't work, right?
Oh, you didn't even smoke. Can you talk like that?
They knew it was coming, my body knew I was going to start, so they prepared. But I realized how acting was interesting because in Hollywood, you know, I was really close to getting a job once. But I was four inches too tall and the kid that got it was four inches shorter and he looked better. Next to the star of the show was Grace Under Fire. Brett Butler was a sitcom.
And you realize how arbitrary a lot of these decisions are that are made. And when you're a little kid, you become a little cynical, because you're, you're, you're, you're auditioning for all this stuff and you're looking at the way that. And sometimes, like, the director's son gets the job, and sometimes, like, you don't even know why. You know you, you didn't get the job, you did a great job, and you're, you're.
Basically, as a as a young person, you're, you're aware of the, you know, the limits of, like, certain types of meritocracy. Where it's like, there's stuff behind the scenes happening. And I think, you know, I started to think about politics in that way, and it was funny to me, it was much funnier.
Did you have anyone to talk to about this?
Friends, people that I grew up with that, you know, might've been into it too, you know, but it wasn't. It was kind of, yeah.
So, but this was pre-2016.
Oh yeah, this was like 2009 10, you know, and it would just seem very funny to me.
What did you make of 9-11 through that lens?
Well, when I was young, I was very supportive of, like the Iraq war and George W. Bush, you know, but I was, you know, on cocaine and that really, that helps. It really did. It's a patriotic drug, to be honest, but I was believing everything that everyone said. We were invaded by these people, and we were invaded. Because they don't have shopping malls in Afghanistan, and they don't have McDonald's, and they can't get chicken nuggets like I do with my friends.
They can't smoke pot in the mall, so they all decided to kill us. Well, that's terrible. So we have to go over there and build shopping malls. So that these guys can go hang out and, you know, get, you know, whatever you know they need, so that they're not miserable and all that stuff. And I believed it.
I believed all of it, and I was a fervent advocate of that because it made a lot of sense. I'm like, we've got a good thing, they've got a thing that's not too good, we have to go and help them.
And it was this, this thing, where I just believed that and I believed in it. And I voted for Bush, and I thought that, you know, my first vote was for Bush. It was the second term and I had friends that went off to Iraq. I'm like, we got to do this, we have to, you know, we can't dishonor their memory by pulling out and doing all this stuff.
I really believe that I've now completely, you know, switched. I now see it as a complete disaster, a huge mistake and error. And as far as 9-11. At that point, I was, you know, believed that it was exactly how they said it happened. And now, you know, quite frankly, I don't know. I mean, it seems improbable that all of these things happened the way that they said that they happened.
I don't know what exactly happened and people have attacked me for saying that, you know, because I just I question now more than I did.
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Well, you've been attacked for admitting that you're agnostic on it.
Yeah, people will call you names, and, you know, try to use that as some type of, and you know about this, people calling you names. When you say, yeah, I don't really know what happened on 9-11. They go. They try to use that as a pejorative against you and say, you're a conspiracy theorist, you're a nut job, you're whatever, and you go, Okay, I mean, it's those things, don't mean as much.
But do you ever think to yourself, like anyone who believes, like, the story at the White House press briefing is a fucking moron?
Yes, I think that, and it's funny to me, how wrong we are. being wrong is funny. So that's one of the reasons I became interested in. This dimension of power in America. Is because I actually either you laugh or you cry. And I started to laugh and I think how wrong everybody is.
So how do you, I mean, your insight, which is really smart, that, you know? The former milkman from Georgia is probably not giving orders to the Gallagher. That's right, like that doesn't actually make any sense.
That makes no sense, right?
How do you think things really work?
Well, I mean, I think that you have a group of people that have a lot of power and a lot of influence, and they probably have different ideas. They're probably not a monolith, they probably are different religions and races, and they have to, but they, they're interested in preserving their level of power. I think that becomes their main, their main, you know, objective. And I think this is the thing that they all kind of relate on, whether they sue each other or dislike each other, or have wars with each other in the press.
And we tend to think that these are blood feuds, and these are, and probably some of them are. But at the end of the day, they are all interested in retaining their level of power in American society and all over the world. And I think those people operate in a lot of different ways, but a huge way, I believe that they operate is subverting the democratic process here and all over the world. Meaning, like, the will of the people cannot get in the way of whatever they want to do.
So I think they have to disguise that agenda in any way that they can. You know, the new thing now, for example, is which I, you know, this is very, you know, you know. Today I'm in a diner and I'm watching, I'm having breakfast, and I'm watching. You know, this terrible airstrike in Rafa, this, you know, this place I didn't even know, existed a month ago, right? And I'm not like, a and this guy's holding this headless child. It's, it's, it's horrific, and we're watching it in the diner and and um, you know, you're watching it. And listen, I think Israel should exist.
I believe they have a right to exist. Antisemitism exists, blah, blah, blah. I know that it's not all great over there, but you're watching this and then you go. This seems unreal, it seems very extreme. And then the position of people on the internet, uh, that will are supporting this no matter what. Without any is, well, do you know that how Hamas treats gay people and women?
And you go, How dumb do I look? How stupid do I? How stupid do I look? that? this is the argument, how dumb do I look? That you were expecting me to believe that American foreign policy has been about the rights of women, or, and is that why we were in Afghanistan? It had nothing to do with mining rights or lithium ion or any of that stuff.
It has nothing to do with the strategic importance of certain locations. It all has to do with teaching girls, protecting the gays and protecting gay people. And we're teaching women to read. It's crazy, it's crazy.
But that emotional appeal works on people and they go well. I guess we have to kill children, then that baby is homophobic, kill and you start going. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't make any sense. From a logical standpoint, it makes absolutely no sense. People can debate about Israel or what we should be doing, or giving them, or funding.
Right? But so again, it's like, you're taking this, you're shoehorning this narrative into this conflict, and it's, it's, it's, I think, the way a lot of these people that have an agenda operate where they go. We need to present this Ukraine war as a way that we are fighting a murderous dictator who's going to take over all of Europe. And even though there's not, there hasn't, wasn't evidence of that. No, no, it's really not a ton of evidence, there's almost none, you have to believe that.
Now I live in Beverly Hills, California, I live outside of the city limits, but I say I do, and the worst people in the world, you know, in Beverly Hills, right? I mean, monster people, like they make valets cry, Get my effing car, you know what I mean.
Like, people jump out of windows, they walk over their bodies to get in their Porsche. It's crazy. And that happened in a building I lived in.
But so these someone jumped out the window, yeah.
This Hollywood producer, Steve Bing, He killed himself.
I knew Steve.
And he jumped out of the window.
Do you think Steve killed himself?
I don't know, I don't know, but I did.
Steve was a great guy.
It's sad, I have no idea what happened.
Steve was the biggest donor to the Democratic Party under Clinton. Yeah.
That's a deadly move, huh?
Well, it's a little deadly. And then Steve began, I know, because he told me, began changing his views on things. And then the next thing, you know, Steve Bing has committed suicide, and I don't know. But a friend of mine who's very close to Steve Bing and I was friends with Steve Bing said, Ah, that was not. No, that's not what happened. That's very possible.
That's your building, I know where that is.
So I used to live there and I moved out of there because it has a dark energy, can you imagine?
Did you really move because of the dark energy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't really sleep. And friends would come over and we'd sit in the living room, one of these apartments, and they'd go, What's this? And we're not those people, we're not like Crystals people.
We're not-.
You sound spiritually sensitive, yeah.
I guess I'm sensitive enough to realize it was just something. And then there was like, a lot of like junkies. But, you know, beating each other up and beating up the girlfriends and stuff. And the cops would have to come all the time. Not a great building, I won't say which one it is.
I don't want to be sued because I did trash them on the podcast and they were upset.
But it was not a great building. But the same people who would walk over. And, you know, I talked to the valets, you know, the morning after that happened, there were people going, Oh, that's terrible anyway. It's the blue Porsche, let's go.
So this is the type of person that we're dealing with in Beverly Hills. And you need people that are kind of like that to a degree, I mean, you know, you do need people that are not. You know, singing kumbaya all the time. But let's just say these are not incredibly sensitive souls, yes.
They're living in Beverly Hills, right? I remember everyone had a Ukrainian flag immediately after the war started, like they had been shipped.
Well, because they care.
Yeah.
Unlike you, they care.
Yeah.
They care about democracy, right?
So all these people who, like, you know, kick their maid down the stairs.
I'm laughing because I grew up around people like that in Southern California.
So I know you're right, people that like, scream and yell at people in restaurants when something's not macro biotic. Or they apparently became all humanitarians in the span of one night, and then the Ukraine flags were all over the place. And if you asked any question about the Ukraine, or what was going on, or why Russia went in, or why they would be in NATO?
Because they hate our freedoms.
Yeah, right, so it was the same kind of argument, it's the same very strange Manichaean.
Right, good and evil argument, totally right.
And you would just say, you know, I had dinner with R.F.K and his wife, who I adore, and his son was there and his son served in Ukraine. Yes, Ken Conner, he's a brave kid.
God bless him, you know? I mean, hey God, you know, everyone does something right, of course, and he was talking about it.
And and he said, You know, and everyone at the table was, you know, saying, You know how hard it is to to. You know, we're sitting in Malibu to dinner, the good, you know, hard, you know, that's serving the Ukraine. I go, Yeah, but I'm defending Vladimir Putin in Malibu at a dinner party. That's actually tougher, you're honest.
It's actually you're the one who needs the medal.
I actually need the medal and I know, but it's so to me. I just thought, this is very funny. What shuts down comedy is fundamentalism.
Of course.
And so when people say to you you can't ask questions, you can't know things, it's, you know. It's why every dictator in the world hates comedians. They don't want anybody asking any questions about anything, and they shut everything down, and that's why people get they get offended very easily.
Usually have something to hide. The coolest people in the world are. The people will poke fun out on the show. And they don't care, and they think it's fun, and they don't think of this. Guy's a buffoon and who cares, you know?
Or maybe there's some truth in it that I should learn from, or whatever, or that perhaps.
But like, when you make fun of people and they lose their mind, it always suggests something right? So every time that I would ask about the Ukraine, I go, Why exactly? We've never heard of the Ukraine, and every vice documentary about the Ukraine was that they were a white supremacist, neo-Nazi country.
Yeah, every vice documentary was like a bunch of people in Ukraine walking around with SS tattoos and shields, and I go. And these people just overnight became like great allies and like brave people that we loved. So it was like, OK, listen, I feel bad their country got invaded and they're doing what they have to do and whatever.
But I just don't know, you know, it's just very interesting to hear. People that have never thought. I mean, these people that I live around, have never had a thought about another human being in their life, they've never had a thought. And in fact, they wouldn't even be effective at what they do if they did.
These agents and managers, they can't see it was a human being, they have to see it was a product, and that's what makes them good at what they do.
Of course, they have to see it was a product.
You can't work in a slaughterhouse. If you love cows, that's correct.
Yes, you can't, you can't pet the cow. no. Are you tired? Do you need some time off?
How's your wife? You have to look at the cow and go, it's 100 grand, get on the plane. And if you don't like it, do drugs, do drugs.
So what happens is they're the worst people I've ever known, they're the worst agents, and they're always the like the black sheep of a very wealthy family. And everyone else is successful, so it's always like, you have a guy, when you have an agent, they go. My brother works at Goldman Sachs, my sister is a neurosurgeon. And I do this because I have no talent or skills. Except I was born rich and I'm a sociopath and I don't have any educational background. But I was never going to work at Popeye's making chicken sandwiches.
So I sit here at a desk and that's who most of them are.
Can I ask you something? It's funny. In the last couple of years, obviously, I know a lot of people who have been canceled had these fake scandals, wherever they come from. And then every one of them has been dropped by his agent, and in a couple of cases, that agent has been Jay Suarez, I think. But other agents too. And a buddy of mine said to me, Well, I can't believe this happened.
I was really close to my agent, I know his kids, I went to his house all the time. And the second the person had any problem at all. The agent issues a statement like distancing himself from his own client and adding to the dog pile.
Well, this is what happens. This is kind of what they have to do.
But shouldn't that be a death penalty offense for the agent who would hire an agent who did that?
Everyone? Why? Because what happens is everybody in that town is full of shit.
Everybody and everybody kind of goes on that, like everybody. Like, it's the type of town where if someone calls you up and goes so-and-so, died, you go. Yeah, okay, no one believes anything, you go. Sure, they did, like, it's a complete, you know, it's a fun house.
It's a hall of mirrors, it's a it's a place. So the agent that drops you in many cases will call you and go, Hey, I'm really sorry the higher ups will drop me if I don't drop you. Everyone's on the chopping block there, from the CEO of Paramount to the person who's working making, you know, salads for their boss at CAA or UTI or WME.
Everyone's on the chopping block, there's nobody there, that really, everybody just goes with the wind. So if somebody doesn't like a comedian, if, like, the consensus is that that comedian's bad, everyone's like, they're bad. They're a demon from hell.
And then if it swings the other way and that comedian starts doing really well, they're like, they've had a great year. There's nothing behind their eyes, there's nothing there, and that's just the accepted reality of the town. So that's why.
So it's like, no hard feelings, you're right.
You're having a human reaction.
Yeah, loyalty is so important.
To a video game.
That's what's happening, you're having a human reaction to a video game, which is what it is. It's just everybody's plugged into this matrix, nothing's real. What people do is real. Like the comedy and the movies and the art and the whatever and the books and all the things that people create.
But how people in the business handle them and respond to them is dictated. 100 by the winds that blow in, so if the woke wind blows in, they go. We're doing woke. Get every fat woman, get every minority, they're on television. I want women so fat.
They can't breathe on their own, I want them in wheelchairs, I want them to have one leg and I want them to be Indigenous. Go, and then when that makes no money, they go great.
White guys, let's do that, white guys are back. And then, if that, if people get mad again and they want to, they don't believe in it. The people there don't really believe in anything. It's just like they're just waiting to see which way they can go.
Some of them like, some of them like comedy, some of them like, kind of like comedy, and that's the best you could say for some of them.
Have you ever, in all your time in L.A. experienced an authentic human emotion?
One time I went to a Thai restaurant, it was closed and it was very sad.
Usually you have to look at other races for human emotions, like Mexican. You know what I mean? Like, you were like, going like, usually coming out of a church or doing something like that.
It's a very weird place. I've learned to love parts of it and hate parts of it. It's very different from where I lived. It's these vast canyons and mountains are very empty, and it's very hollow, and people are very passive aggressive and kind of laid back. And they're not as intense. I grew up in New York and Long Island with a lot of intense people. And there's a lot of like, you know. And it's just a town that functions primarily with the. The only rule there is that everything's always great.
So everybody is always like, Things are great, how are you? Oh, good? Like, no matter what's going on in their lives, they want to present this thing.
Everything's great because you want to be near winners, you want to be near good people and people that are doing well. And everybody just has to present that side of themselves at all times. Which is why people say, Oh, it's fake and that it's, you know, it's not real, but it is, it is. That's kind of the guiding principle.
Of that place, it's kind of dark. But what if things aren't great, like things aren't great for a lot of people?
Things are not great.
Who do you talk to?
Great question. I mean, I think there are like little groups of people that have honest moments. I've had honest moments there with people, but the people that I've had honest moments with. You know, it's very funny because it's the only place where someone will meet up with you and like, look around and you think they're selling you heroin. But then they're just going to say something remotely conservative, you know, it's really, yeah, you know, people kind of just like, oh, like, you know, the border is, oh, it doesn't look good.
Somebody be like, Biden is a little old, but it is a weird because everybody's, like, terrified of like, you know? But that's changing now because I think the institutions have less power and the internet has grown and people are more free, so I think it is changing. And there are definitely opportunities for people to kind of connect with an audience outside of that system. And I think that system is now also responding very positively, for the first time, to people that have gained an audience on the internet. I think they're starting to understand the value of that and that it isn't this world in which everybody's good or bad, or perfect or not. There are people that make mistakes, and there's people that also are, you know, really good people that are not reflected by a certain action.
You know what I mean, like, there's this idea that, like, people are entire people, they're not just one thing you didn't like.
That's exactly right.
And I think that's going to be, I think that's what's the future, hopefully. Is this nuance and complexity? Whereas we went through a period where it was very simple and everybody was like, bad, good ally, not enemy. You know? Now I think we're going to go, Oh, that guy and like, take a beat and be like, what's she about? and take a breath. And I do it all the time.
Like treating people as human beings.
Treating them with human beings, and I do it all the time with people that I completely disagree with on everything. Yeah, me too. This person's psychotic, but I take a step back and I go. Let me look at them as a human being. And not just a collection of tweets that make me want to vomit.
I want to ask you that, but before we pass on from L.A. I just. I haven't lived there in many years, but I visit overrun with homeless people, addicts mostly, but also non addicts. It's just a lot of people living outdoors. It's really sad. Visible sign of collapse in my view, but it's all black and all white pretty much. And L.A. I think, is majority Hispanic city.
It's a white Hispanic city, but I don't see any or many Hispanics living on the street.
What is that? Almost none.
Almost none. So in a city that's majority Mexican origin and there's nobody like that living on the street, like, what, why?
Well, I think if you look at No, I think this. A lot of these homeless encampments are open air drug markets. People don't want to talk about it, people don't want to, you know, malign people that are homeless that aren't on drugs, and of course, there are people that are homeless that aren't on drugs. But I will tell you this. Everybody in L.A. has observed people that are homeless that have mental issues, and some of those mental issues are brought on or exacerbated by drug use.
This is just plain and simple. This doesn't say that all poor people are drug addicts. No one's saying that, no one's saying that you have to be a drug addict to end up homeless. What people are saying-.
Let me just say, since both of us are sober for-.
That's correct, yeah.
And off drugs and alcohol. I think we have the right, actually, to assess this and let's stop the bullshit.
That's right. And all of the people that are struggling with addiction have not been helped by the people whose job it is to help them. And the government's job-.
That's right.
Is to provide a safe environment for everyone, for people that are addicted to drugs and people that aren't addicted to drugs. So the way to provide a safe environment for people that are addicted to drugs is not permit them to live on the street and use drugs in a tent. Exactly. It is not to permit people to use fentanyl on the street and to overdose on the street and die.
And this is not a compassionate thing, and this is not a good policy.
If you had a niece or nephew who is addicted to drugs, and you may, would you give them money for drugs and let them live on the street?
No, I've had members of my own family that-.
That's what I'm saying we all have.
Can't do it.
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There's a lot of excitement, there's something weird. I remember when they broke up this homeless encampment in Echo Park. Yeah, a lot of people were protesting, very excited, and they were like, and there's like, you know, people are nuts there, so then people go. Well, I go buy things there to help, I buy little lanyards and stuff that they're selling.
I go, Do you think this is a long term solution? When you have this homeless encampment in a park and that people are treating it like a farmer's market? All these, like wealthy white people that want to help, are going. They're giving the money for heroin and buying an avocado or some crazy thing, and I don't even know what's what people were selling there. But when the cops broke it up, there was a lot of tension in the community because the community was against it.
They didn't want the homeless encampment broken up. They were very angry. They were like, how dare these fascists break up this homeless encampment again where people were overdosed in their neighborhood? Yes, they want it.
That's the thing. I was standing the other day in San Francisco and this woman said to me, I said, she was, you know, I go, yeah, the city is falling apart, and I go, the mayor in London breeding. I don't know what she's really doing, She goes, she goes, Yep, she's trying to criminalize addiction. We went down that road.
And I'm like, wait a minute, so your? Your take is that the mayor of San Francisco is too conservative to try to criminalize addiction? I'm like, you got to criminalize the behaviors that are often inherent with addiction. Yes, you know, robbing people.
Yes, selling drugs, you know, crimes that involve procuring drugs, trafficking people. Like, there's all these things that happen, and you know you, just there's something that goes on.
And it's on the West Coast, more than the East Coast, for sure, where people don't.
Understand the value of of of of standards being enforced. They don't see it, they don't get it. They think that it's a completely, you know, insensitive way to look at the situation. And saying, like, we have a standard, you don't sleep in a tent.
You don't camp on the street, there are homeless shelters. You got to go, we have project room key, you got to go to a hotel room.
But if you're going to participate in that program, you have to submit to drug testing and counseling. Because we can't have people using drugs in that program and providing drugs to other people.
We're not going to pay people to commit suicide.
We're not going to pay people to kill themselves on the street and that's a standard, and we're forcing that standard. And that's people, for whatever reason, don't seem to believe that that is.
But maybe they're the ones who lack compassion, like, again, would you treat a loved one the way they treat the so-called homeless?
No, no, it's very interesting. I don't know what it is. Maybe they have this freak, weird fetish with people dying all around them, I don't know what.
It's very sick, I'm very honest.
Why know his Spanish? Why no Mexicans in the city? Well, you're already Mexican, I think, yeah.
And there are all kinds of problems in Mexican neighborhoods, sure, a lot of poverty, yeah, gangs, you know, a lot of problems.
But they come to California to be homeless in California. Well, maybe that's it because of the the the weather and then there's programs.
Shouldn't someone study what the Mexicans are doing and like, maybe do that?
Yes, I mean, our governor lives on a vineyard. So good luck, but, you know, good luck about the studying happening, yeah.
You do not see a ton of.
You really don't, you don't. Way disproportionate to the population, way, way disproportionate.
Well, it's also you don't see a lot of Mexican people not working.
That's what I'm saying. So maybe the solution is not work. Yeah, is not, is not actually having an effect.
A lot of the white people, no one has a job, even the ones that have money. They sit around, they kind of have smoothies, they what is that? they float around?
I don't know, but no one really works. I noticed. Float around for cafes, they have like kind of fake meetings, they take meetings all the time to another person.
And that's a meeting and they they go, what about, you know, what about this? and what do you think's going on? They have coffee and they go, This coffee is not as good as the last.
And you know, it's no one seems to be working.
Where's all the money come from?
I don't know, I have no idea, the CCP, I know, I don't know.
For real, though, I don't know who's floating it.
I mean, usually when I have a lazy friend, you go back in their family lineage. Someone got a bag of money somewhere. yeah, the dad, the grandpa, the great grandpa, someone's got money somewhere.
I don't know, I mean, with L..A. You meet a lot of people that are drifting around and they have, they're aimless.
And but but this is very expensive, especially very expensive.
I don't think that the Mexican culture is a Catholic culture, it's a religious culture, it's a culture of working, it's a culture of parties and food. And like, enjoying life and getting the most out of life. But it doesn't seem to be a culture that I would associate with aimlessness.
No, it doesn't seem aimless at all, it seems to be pretty, you know? And I mean, I'm sure there are problems in every community, but there's a lot of aimlessness. It's like, you know, that's a thing of people, people talk about people who talk about race and all this stuff. But it's like, you know? The white people in the West Coast are maybe the most damaging group of people to civil society I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, when you talk about the people that live in Seattle and Portland, the things, that laws that they pass and favor. And I've never seen a group of people wreak more havoc on a civil society in my life than the West Coast of the United States.
What's the motive there?
I don't know, I don't know if it's no sun, I don't know what it is, I don't know what it is.
I, I just know that they're trying to destroy things.
They're trying to destroy the in Portland. There was like a van, this woman, like driving around a van and just shooting people up. It was called a stabbing wagon, where they're just shooting up drug addicts on the street, and it was crazy.
It was like, insane, and this was like, and then they just reversed it. Portland's like, you know, hey, we're like, this is actually.
You don't have to be for the drug war, which, I'm really, for sure, you know, hassling people for partying at home. Even though I'm sober against that. Sure, but if you get to a place where some girl is shooting people up.
Yes, narcotics like she should be in prison.
There's always a limit, right? Because these people, they have all these ideas, and then what happens is like a few people die in front of them. In a whole foods, yeah.
And they start going well, maybe maybe, like it is, they got a little, and when someone dies in a whole foods in front of them, they start going. You know what? Because the consequences for a lot of these people are just so far removed that they're just not present, they're just not.
They're behind a gate, they're somewhere on the 40 minutes out of the city, whatever it is, and they just kind of don't care. But then people start dying in whole foods, and then they start going, Yeah, maybe this isn't ideal.
This might not be great, so it takes that, though it takes something extreme like that for these people to kind of wake up.
Obviously I'm a bad person, but I don't want the pivot to happen without someone being punished for this. Yeah, and as someone who grew up out there when it was really idyllic, it was sort of peak human civilization in 1975 in Laurel Canyon, right? And now it's dystopian.
It's like someone should have to be held to account for this, pay the price for that. They won't. They'll be like, actually, like, I was never for that.
It's like the Covid facts. I was, well, I always had concerns. No, you didn't, yeah.
I mean, it's interesting. Do you think they would treat the internet the way they treat the real world, like all these people who they love, how functional their sites are? Anyone that says anything gets banned immediately. Everything's very clean.
They work very well, you can access them pretty easily, they work a lot on the user experience. How's the user experience walking down the street? How's the 405 in the Castro?
How's the 405?
How's the user experience there? How are you interfacing with the person who just od'd in whole foods? Like, apply all of the same things to the real world. They just don't seem to care.
That's a brilliant observation.
They seem not to give a shit. They seem to care mainly about the digital world in which they're creating and ushering people into at a very rapid pace. And they don't seem to care about the real world. And if I was a conspiracy nut, I might say that. The worse the real world is, the more people are dependent on the digital world. And the quicker you can get them all there. That might be if I was, you know, having fun.
I might.
So you might like, shut down the entire u.
S economy and force everyone to stay indoors for a year.
Seems like it might be a decent plan.
But would that actually work? Would people choose Amazon over local retailers? Do you think? Yeah, yeah.
You know, you could transfer, you could cancel rent and then transfer all that wealth from local landlords and demonize them to corporate landlords. Oh, now own a lot of the United States, and if you've ever had a local landlord, which I have, you're much better off. I've been broke for years. I was a comedian.
You're much better off sitting down with someone face to face like this and going, I can get it Thursday. Then you are dealing with Blackrock.
So they're not as compassionate.
They seem not to be, they seem not to be so. This idea that we demonized anybody that owned a two family house and we said, look at this scumbag landlord. And they own a three family house where they live in one of the units, and the other two units are people that they rent to.
And we said, look at these people, their pieces, you know what happened? All the corporate landlords bought everything, own everything and are raising the price of residential real estate for everybody that, you know, is trying to buy a house. So it's weird where we are because we've got. I never hear anyone talk about.
No one talks about, no one cares, no one talks about the fact that. Most of the new constructions in London. At one point it was 60 percent, it might be more now or less, but at one point it was about 60 percent of all new constructions.
I bet it's higher now. Are being bought by foreign nationals with LLCs. They're not living there, that's doing in New York, I mean, they're doing it in all of these cities, most of these buildings.
You look at New York billionaire's row, there's four lights on this huge skyscraper. Who's there? No one's home, there's no school bus, no one's taking their kids to school.
It's, you know, a guy that comes in and is laundering money through real estate.
In cities like New York and London, and places that.
So that's why, as the economy craters, yeah, and people are just poorer because of inflation, yeah, housing prices don't drop.
No, it's don't drop, that's right.
It's being artificially propped up, and that's why these cities are really rich, wealthy city. You go, who has all this money, who has all this money to buy these apartments? And then you go, oh, it's criminals from all over the world that are washing a lot of dirty money in real estate.
And I'm sure, maybe just rich people that aren't criminals, but a lot of them, a lot of them are guys. If you look it up, there's like a guy, there's like a it'll be like a guy who poisoned a river in Zambia.
And that is that, and it's like, that's why all these real estate shows are fake, they're all not true, they're all these with these attractive women.
They walk around and they find these like, they find, like guys, a basketball player, a guy who's like an actor. None of them are even buying the houses, by the way. I know the people that work on these real estate shows, you know, they really sell the houses to a lot of people. That just come in. Speaking complete Mandarin.
And I have a friend who's a real estate agent and they come in, they speak complete Mandarin to a translator. He just points in his Beverly hills and pointing, There you go, they stand outside.
They look at the view and they're the ones who are actually buying houses. Or Russian nationals, oligarchs, or people from the United Arab Emirates, or people for the Brazilian mining magnets, or people from India. It's it's very, it's not really a lot of domestic buyers in L..A. it's in New York.
It's it's a ton of foreign nationals, you know, and that's why these real estate shows aren't true. If they were true, it would be a real estate agent greeting someone at the door and going, This is a beautiful house. How did things go at the Hague? Are you?
OK, everything was good at the Hague, great we saw that. Take a look at the veranda.
They have a great that would be the real show, but it's not the real show.
You know, but what about the people who live here? They can't afford housing?
They can't afford housing, and no one cares, no one cares, because they the whole game now is people just say, rent, rent, take Ubers.
You don't need a car, you don't need to own anything.
Doesn't matter what, you moved personally, yeah, in the opposite direction, yeah, so you made money after years of being poor.
Yes, it sounds like you didn't put as much in the market as you did into real estate.
Why? Real estate, to me, is something I understand I would probably get richer if I knew more about stocks, or if I knew. You know, I was caught up in that bitcoin craziness, where I still have a good amount of crypto. And I, you know, I remember, you know, we talked last night. I remember sitting at a table with, like, Jake, Paul and a few of these guys.
And Jake Paul's like, Are you investing in Cum Rocket? I said, What is that? and he was like, Well, it's a it's a coin, you know, it's a it's a shit coin. But it was going up. He's like, I've made all this money.
And I called my business manager like, 2 a.m in Miami, and I'm a sober guy, but I feel high because I'm calling my business manager at 2 a.m. Go. Should I invest in Cum Rocket?
And he goes, I think so, I think probably. So. This is how nuts everyone got.
Did you invest in Cum Rocket?
I didn't, I was, I was at the end of the day, I pulled out and I'm like, now let's just stick with the bitcoin and Ethereum.
You pulled out of cum rocket.
I pulled out of cum rocket, I said, You know what? This is too volatile.
Yeah, but you went with the withdrawal method.
I went with the withdrawal method of cum rocket. I said, we don't want it all over the place. But it was a crazy time, it was an insane time. NFTs people were making millions of dollars.
People were making all this money with Bitcoin, it was a complete house of cards, it was crazy. And I think Bitcoin is a good thing. I think having this decentralized currency is actually a really cool thing.
But like everything else, the world that grew around it was a world of criminals and con artists and flim flam artists. And people were full of shit and people that were just taking all this money and pumping all these things up, and just all these were stock scams and ponzi schemes and stuff like that. Real estate, to me, seemed the most safe because I understood it. I get it, I understand people always need houses, want houses.
They give you joy, they make you happy. There are things that promote other things in society that I think are good, like having a family and keeping a family. And having. I have a house on Long Island where I can have my family come and visit. And like, I'm an hour from my father, and I'm only a few hours from family that lives in Rhode Island.
Like, I think having places for people to gather is very important as part of my childhood, and those things are huge. And I don't think you get as much joy from Come Rocket, you know, as an investment, you might get more money, so I understand that.
But I've also watched friends not be able to, and I got lucky because I was a comedian. I got started a podcast. Joe Rogan helped me out a lot by putting me on a bunch and I got really lucky.
But I have friends that are hardworking people, firefighters, teachers, nurses, the people that actually do the jobs that make society work and run. And they're having a tough time now. Because interest rates are seven percent and the house values. And with the rates, I think it's the most time, the most expensive time to buy in. Like, 40 years. Yes, it's crazy.
So how closely do you follow residential real estate markets? Very are they going to come down?
Yes, the answer is eventually, yes. There's more inventory coming in 2025. I think that rates dropping will get people off the sidelines right now.
It's an inventory problem where there's just not a lot of houses, there's not a lot of houses on the market. Boomers don't want to die, and they don't want to sell their homes. Boomers used to sell their homes, go to Florida, get a condo, boomers don't want to do that.
They're actually retiring, in some cases, bigger homes. It's kind of hilarious and somewhat satanic, because this, this selfishness is so ingrained, so ingrained in them that their whole. The thing about the boomers is they've been alive for a very long time. Many of them have attained absolutely no wisdom.
So what they've done?
So that's not easy, by the way.
It's actually impressive, and what they've done is everything's material. So this big house that they lord around. I mean, some of my friend's parents, I mean, I'm writing a book about them, they're hilarious.
They know nothing, I mean nothing, but they lord around these big, suburban castles, and their whole sense of self worth comes from this. It comes from materialism. So the idea that they would leave this big house, which is every argument that a boomer ever tries to win, they just point at their house.
I mean, they don't know anything, they have zero idea, they've read no books about anything. There are very funny, the last really, truly funny generation, I think, because everyone has becoming flattened, but they are just very funny and deeply selfish.
I mean, it's, you know, it's funny to watch them, and you know, it is funny. But they're never going to get rid of these houses. So their their kids are kind of, you know, they're being held hostage. I mean, the whole economy, you know, I mean, Pelosi, Biden, these very old people, Mitch McConnell. They won't retire, none of them have any plans of retiring.
They want to die in office, and that's very much like across the board. Nobody will sell their house, nobody will step down at their job. It's just a generation of people that don't want to stop.
Because they're afraid of what's coming, they know they'll be punished for the next life.
I don't even know. They seem to be very ambivalent about that, they seem to face death and kind of a very like, they don't seem to be doing it.
I'm kind of they don't seem appropriately afraid.
Yeah, I was somewhat impressed by them, actually, they're, they're. they're sort of they're very casual about it, I think because it it, you know, their their main fears are discomfort.
And I think if they're gone, there won't be any more discomfort, there's no more traffic.
So you're writing a book about the boomers? Yeah, they were my teachers growing up, yeah, and it's not all bad, but they're, they're all bad. I hated them from first grade when I realized who they were.
They're funny, though, so to me, the thing that I I see when I say they're not all bad, they're terrible at all the things. You would, you would say that there, but they make me laugh, but they're very fun trend.
Yes, over the last 70 years, yes, they've driven and fallen for completely whatever dumb trend, from the pet rock to feminism, yes.
I can cove it like they're all in on every trend.
The thing with the boomers is they they their life started in their woodstock people, right?
So 100 percent they all went to.
We all believe my parents didn't because it was traffic. I kid you not, they turned around because there's too much traffic. Can you imagine there were boomers even then, and they literally turn their car around?
I mean, it's it's unforgivable, it's unforgivable behavior.
What happens is we are led to believe they're this very progressive generation of very interesting change agents, all the agents of change and spiritual people, right? And then we see, of course, that they're just selfish drug addicts that want to just do drugs in the field, which has its benefits. But let's not pretend it's a grand life strategy, right?
And and then they just kind of, you know, buy into the they're the most propagandized generation in terms of advertising. Yes, I mean, the Edward Bernays stuff, I mean, like.
They fell for everything, they fed us all poison growing up, they fell for everything, they fell for every corporate slogan My father, who I love but will cry at commercials.
He would cry at the Budweiser clydesdales into the 9-11 thing. He loved the Budweiser frog, like he loved commercial, they loved commercial. boomers adored commercials.
They liked a good Folgers commercial with family sitting together and they're drinking coffee. Boomers loved commercials. They thought that all of these things that corporations really cared about them, and they kind of they were very, somewhat naive, and I think they're.
They're kind of like spinning out a little bit now because they've realized a little bit, to some degree, how wrong they were about everything. And it was kind of now it's kind of becoming, you know, apparent.
But they like, being lied to is what you're saying.
Well, they liked it because it was all about comfort, the idea of moving into the suburbs and getting this house and having all these things. The mark of success became comfort, you know, for years in America, the mark of success was like, conquest. Or, yeah, going. And, you know, settling some achievement or achievement, or coming up with a company or an advancement, make people's lives better, you know? Then it became about comfort. It's where do you live? And how leafy green is the suburb?
Where's the pool? And it was just like, let's relax, let's grill. And I think what happened was a lot of these people just became kind of creatures of this environment where everybody was one, upping each other with cars. And, you know, like, but they still had that like hippie thing in them, so they would still do weird stuff. Like my friend's dad has like a band and it's like, he'll go and, you know, play in his band.
It's a terrible band, but they'll, they'll have fun. Like, you know, there were just these things that they like, keep from that era, even though they, you know, have, you know, gone fully down the road of, like, just materialism. And they didn't really like their children, that's the other thing I find funny.
They view their children was like obstacles to their own success and fulfillment. The boomers really didn't like their shows, the first generation people. It didn't really want their children to have it too much better than they did if they wanted them to have it better at all. It was kind of a weird, disgusting, I know, but it was just a very weird adversarial relationship.
My friend's mother just like faked. she didn't go to his wedding, she like, fake some injuries. She said. She was attacked in a she was like attacked in a supermarket.
It's blatantly untrue, what's blatantly untrue? She made up the story that she was like, attacked at a supermarket parking lot. She just was like, I'm attacked and I can't go. And she just missed his wedding.
She didn't go to his wedding. Why they're crazy, these people? I don't know, these boomers, I don't know why they do what they do, but they're just.
It's just very funny, It's like, so what? One very funny thing was. After my mother died, I swear to God. I was on the phone with my aunt, which is her sister, and I go, I go, what do we think about a funeral? Everything like that, you know, maybe Thursday.
She goes, I know she goes. We've got a boat thing. Not really.
Is her sister?
Yeah, she goes, we're going to go on a boat with some friends, but she goes, we could get it. We maybe do it next, we figure it out next week.
So, but that's why there's so, that's why. I do love them. I don't hate, like I love them, because it's like they're horrible, but they make me laugh so much. And I was able to, you know, just fuse the stuff together to make it.
And the millennials suck too, and there's other generations that are problem. But they just they make me laugh, but they are terrible, they are really terrible.
And that's what makes them so funny.
What's so funny is they're getting credit for it, though. Finally, someone who's disliked them since, like, 1977, I really have to. Yeah, because they spoke entirely in cliches, they're so banal.
It's very banal, it's very, very.
It's very banal, shallow, and the materialist. You're exactly right, yeah. But now it seems like they're just reviled by everyone. Is that true?
Yes, they're kind of reviled by everyone, and they're either, they're just. I remember growing up, all my friends, parents, they all.
They all spoken like sayings, totally, and none of it meant anything. And you know, they would demonize perfectly good jobs like union jobs, yes.
Like, you want to be like that guy, you want to be like that guy. And they have these empty corporate Hellscape jobs it turned all turn them into alcoholics and everything, but they're like, you want to be like that guy.
And it was usually like an in shape guy, like working construction. Like, you want to be a scumbag like him, or do you want to sit in office like me and cheat on your mother?
So so is this? They always demonized other people, you were always in a rat race with other kids, They always talked about these other kids are doing better than you.
It was like, you know, kind of a weird, like a weird, but nothing was. Nothing was really focused on on excellence, as much as it was focused on winning to make them look good. So like, you know, if you had boomer parents in sports, they were always kind of like, they weren't getting you up and making you train. But they would go to the games and yell like, they would go like, there was this woman, this woman.
Her daughter was a swimmer, my mother was a swim coach. And this woman would get up and scream, you know, she'd be like, totally in her daughter's corner. They're just screaming and yelling.
But you'd never see her at any of the practices at 8 a.
M When the kids in the pool, you know, they wanted the end result, this was the whole thing.
So they're the ones who push the college lie, like Dylan needs to go to Princeton, and I'm so proud.
They have to go to college. Our kids went to college and they pushed that lie because again, all they wanted to do was get the kids away from them. So that's why they were 80 activities every week. You could martial arts, soccer, dance class, whatever it was, that they could put you in a car and put you away.
They drop you off somewhere. Good luck. So college was like, Great, here we go, we're done.
They went to college, you know?
Did you go to college?
No, I went to a community college for two years and dropped out. I won a Debate Championship gold medal in debate, and I just dropped out of college. I went to finance because I didn't like, I didn't like what your parents say.
Your boomer parents.
They were disappointed, they were thinking I would fail.
They knew you well.
I mean, so there are two options for a boomer kid, a millennial, or whatever you want to call me, a Gen X or whatever.
Succeeding, which they would be happy about because they would claim total credit for it and then failing, and then they would go well. You didn't listen to us, Of course, you failed, and I think with me they were very much like. He's going to be a big mess. We're going to get to tell people all the time how, how you didn't listen to anything.
We said, and this is why, but then it ended up. It looked like it was going one way, went the other way, so they're fine.
Now they're cool with it, but it's just it is. It was, they didn't expect it.
They didn't expect it.
Would you reckon?
They said to me, my father's wife said to me who I do like a lot. But she said she goes. How does someone like you, who made every wrong decision in their life, end up with a house like this? So, but that is the way today.
But that is the way they made the right decisions.
Does that occur to them? Never, never. It's interesting, but that is kind of the way that they, you know, the way they speak.
The results do sort of tell the story, right?
You would think, which is why you think, you know, but yeah, they were interesting, their spiritual life was materialism, yeah, and their their lives were.
Really, about themselves more than anyone else. There's never been a generation where it's been about them as much as it is. But, you know, my aunt said to me during Covid, it made me laugh. She goes, We're on the phone, I think I do.
They just made me laugh so much. She goes, she goes, I hope everybody gets this vaccine, and I said, Yeah, she goes. I hope everyone gets this vaccine. I said, yeah.
She goes because I want to travel, and I worked my whole life, she goes. I've worked my whole life. And by the way, everyone's worked their whole life, Of course, it's the funniest thing to say, everyone's worked their whole life.
Like, what are you talking? Like, OK, 20 people didn't work and they, you know, they grew up with whatever. But like, where she goes, everybody better get this vaccine. Because I want to travel, I want to go on cruises, and because I've worked my whole life. And I believe she's been retired for about 30 years.
But with full dental, maybe 25 years, right? Yeah, but like, it is just a fight. It's very funny the way that they are.
You know, they just it's, they're perfect.
So you said a minute ago that the internet has decentralized power and disempowered all these institutions. And those are the institutions that kind of decided who was successful and who wasn't. Particularly in the entertainment business or news sports even. Yeah, what does this mean for? Like, their ability to crush people, they don't like to cancel people.
They'll have to find new ways to do it, and I think they're, they're, they're a little panicked.
I think it hurts their ability to do it substantially, dramatically, that way. Yeah, I think dramatically.
You said you're friends with Louis C.
K Yeah, who? I don't know. I'm not defending Louis C.K, but I remember reading the details of that and thinking, you know, OK, maybe unattractive.
Louis has been able to have a great career.
Is that a crime? Like, what was that?
No, not at all. And he's been able to have a phenomenal career.
Why did they do that to him?
Well, I mean, it was a moment in which, and I don't know the details of every single accusation in that piece. But I do know that it was a moment where people weren't thinking.
But even if they were all wanted to punish, even if everything written about the guy that I read was true, you'd be like, all right, that's embarrassing.
Well, that was a time when it wasn't enough that someone admit to a mistake or admit it was about destroying people. Yes, about ending their lives. Why? I just think people get caught up in these moral panics and they want to hurt people.
And this is something deeply innate in our beings that have to be dealt with. We have to figure out, you know, why we do this. But this is something that people like mobs and they like getting right, you know, their pitchforks out.
And I think he's been able to have a phenomenal career and he's, you know, made movies. He's sold out Madison Square Garden, he's done all these things, his fans love him.
And he's one of the greatest comedians that's ever lived. So you, you have that. But yeah, it was a time when people just wanted other people to be hurt. It wasn't enough to say I fucked up, no matter who it was or what they did, and I think now I think people are.
People are looking at the full, the full picture of a human being and going like, you know what? I think we're all over that. I'm hoping we're all over that. But there are forces out there that are going to have to adjust, you know, so I don't know what they do.
Louis C.
K Was. They may go back to killing people. That's what they did for a while, that's what they did for a long time.
And then they, now they, then they start destroying their reputations. But before that, they killed them. Do you remember that? yes, they people would die in all these weird ways?
And cars would go off things and people get shot in the middle of hotels. And then it just started to be like, we're just going to take out people's reputations.
Does seem like people, a lot of people, are dying. Have you noticed this? And does he? Not? Not just Bing?
But right, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. it's. yeah, there's a lot of problems. Not good.
OK, but just in case it turns out that he not only survived this, yeah, this character assassination attempt, but thrived.
He thrived because his talent spoke for itself.
And people, is anyone keeping track of all the other guys who were destroyed?
I think, I think a lot of them are doing great, I think a lot of them are doing fine. Because I think, as we talked about, it's not the worst thing to have people turn on you because it makes you, it builds resilience. Yes, know who your real friends are. You fall back on your talent.
You lean on your talent, you lean on the things that you can do better than anyone else, and you try to make those even better. You have to be more effective in a way, yes.
You can't coast, the tide will not carry you, so you have to find ways to, you know, create your own environment and create your own inertia to move the things you're doing forward. Because you don't, you won't be carried anymore.
By the mainstream. So you have to just go, and I think that's ultimately a good thing.
Well, Sue, it's bad that people kiss your ass, it's bad for your soul, do you? I mean, you must deal with that.
No, I think I deal with people that lie to me all the time, like that is a version of kissing your ass. Of course, people lie, so it's people make things, you know, they just if they. You don't get a lot of good feedback all the time.
But then there are people that I trust to give me real feedback, and they're not people that I'm usually paying. You start paying people that can get complicated, but there are some people that I pay that I do trust to give me real feedback. But then there was a lot of people that earn money off.
When I earn money, that tell me everything's great all the time and I go, I don't know if that was great, I could know it was great. Like, their job is to just keep you in a positive mind frame so that you keep earning money. Their job is not to bring any negative or real things to the forefront.
I mean, don't you think it's good for you to be attacked and confronted and belittled and humiliated and brought to who you really are once again?
I think it's, it's certainly good. If you're a creative person, yes, you have to create, and you have to shake yourself out of a comfort zone, for sure.
Yeah.
Do you get enough hate that it keeps you human?
I think so, I think I get enough hate.
You got enough today.
I think I get enough of people that don't like what I do. Or say, for sure. I think things are appropriately difficult, meaning like, I have friction and that's good. I think that, you know, people.
I'm not. I'm not a person who, you know, is beloved with a lot of what I say. But my fans are people that like what I do, like me. But then there are people that need some convincing, I think that's good.
I think that's good. I don't mind that. When I sit down with people and, you know, my manager, people like that will tell me they go, yeah, they, you know, they like you, but they don't, they don't know really who you are. I think you get a lot of similar stuff from people, go well, they have ideas about you that are not from you.
They are just out there, so well, I agree.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with being attacked for your actual crimes, There's nothing wrong with that, and I welcome it. It's being called names that actually aren't accurate, yeah.
You know, I once was talking to a New York Times reporter who was telling me what a racist I was. Yeah, and I said, I'm actually I. First of all, I would tell you if I was racist, I'm really not a racist.
I'm actually a sexist, right? And that was hilarious, sort of true, and I thought, Well, that's a good line.
Yeah, didn't print it.
No, they won't print it. If someone said that to me in an interview, I would print that. Yeah, I participated once, I don't know a ton of, I know some people in journalism, but I participated once in this thing. Where, like, there's a few journalists that, like, wanted to talk to a comedian because they, they were like, we want to start using more comedy in our pieces.
And I was like, Wait, what? And they were just these totally unfunny like people. It was just tough. I was like, guys, just write the fucking news, but they wanted like, you know, they wanted like.
What did you tell them?
I just said, You know, I don't know. I think people that are good at this stuff are good at it, you know. And I just, I can't tell you how to make something funny, you know? Because they were basically saying, like, we think that our reach will grow dramatically if we're funny and I go, it might grow dramatically if you reported facts.
You know, that might do, they laugh.
No, they didn't, they were like, Well, so that's all.
Are there any journalists you like or read, or trust?
Sure, I mean, there's people that I read all the time, like who? I read Andrew Sullivan a lot. I don't always agree with him, but I think he's well worth a read.
I, I've read Seymour Hersh every article that he writes.
Good for me, too.
I, you know, I read, I read Barry Weiss, I'll read the Free Press. whether I agree or not. Taibbi, I'll read Taibbi.
I'll read your stuff from Daily Caller and people that have written there. I've read like, you know, and I'll read Thomas Friedman, I'll read Nicholas Crist, I'll read The Times, I read Washington Post.
I'll read an Apple bomb in the Atlantic. I disagree with her. I don't want to go to Russia tomorrow. I have an engagement, thank you.
Have a lunch. She's very hyped about the Russia thing, God bless, but I think why she's so mad at Russia, I don't know.
They all want to go to war with Russia. I have things, what is that? I have a kitchen renovation.
And do you think, by the way, it's a little weird as you're an adult man? Yeah, with a job? Yeah. It's a little weird to have someone like Anna Applebaum, or any of these people, like, tell you what your opinion should be.
Yeah, it's very strange. I mean, she's very aggressive on this Russia issue.
And there's this idea that I think we, we have this purpose. We have a deficit of purpose in the country. Yes, this is what I think, I think we have a deficit of purpose.
I think the elites feel it. The people that have lots and lots of, you know, time to think about these things, feel. The deficit of purpose. I think if you're working 20 hours a day to feed your family, you don't have a deficit of purpose. You don't, but I think if you're lounging around in a D..C.
Townhouse Trying to figure out what problems you need to go out and desperately solve. You have a deficit of purpose. And I think this idea gives them the sense that now we are back in World War II. And there is good and there is evil, and this is the purpose. This is why we've all been on the planet to confront the country with the most nuclear weapons of any other country. Over two regions of the two northern provinces in Ukraine, which if you google image them, I mean, take it. I mean, truly, truly.
And I'll give him part of this country too. There's a lot of this country, which parts are a lot. There's parts of it that we don't need. I'll give him part. If Putin wants it, yeah, we'll give him parts of California, North Jersey.
Yeah, we'll give him some parts of that, I think we should actually. Let's really fuck him, let's give him upstate New York, let's give him a lot of Michigan, let's give him stuff where he goes. Hey man, I'm good.
Could he fix connected, do you think?
I don't know if anyone could, I was just disconnected and I like the people there, but I don't know if anyone could. I actually said on stage, it would be nice if Putin invaded this.
What kind of response did you get?
They all laugh, they're great, they're great comedy. Yeah, they are, they get it.
But yeah, I mean, I think there's deficit of purpose. I think people like Ann Abelbaum, I'm sure she's lovely lady or whatever.
I don't think so.
She's a little vicious in the way she writes. Loathsome. Yeah, never met her, but it's very aggressive. It's very like, we got to go to, we got to go to Russia and we got to fight Putin.
And I'm like, Is it weird, some rich girl in D?
C is telling other people to fight war.
That's weird to me. I go, Are you? Is this a bad day thing? are you?
I, you know, I wake up and I go, I should jog, I should work, I should do better things that I don't end up doing, and I go. I should. You know, I should have a breakfast of, just, you know, some macrobiotic L.A. sludge.
That is more healthier. I never think I should go to war with Russia. No, I know I've never thought of that, I've never thought of that.
I, you know, I should take a road trip, I should connect with an old friend. I've never thought that I should go to war with Russia, I've never believed, I never thought that was a good way to spend a summer.
Do you think there's a reason that they don't want you to go to Russia?
I don't know, I don't know, I don't. I I think that they, like, we need enemies, we have a huge national security apparatus that relies on conflicts.
We sell a lot of weapons, yes, we have a huge investment in that, and you know, we're arming the Ukraine. And kind of an unwinnable war that everybody knew was unwinnable, and it was incredibly bloody, and it didn't have to be.
And, you know, this is something where the Secretary of State Anthony Blinken went and performed Rock of the Free World. I don't know if you saw that.
I did see it. Yeah, I mean, does that inspire confidence?
It's disturbing, it's crazy. If my child died in a war and then the secretary of state of the country that supposedly backing us showed up to play music. I would kind of be in the middle of the war, by the way, war's not over. It would be a little disturbing to me.
So it's just very strange. And then, you know, the Kamala Harris thing of, like, well, this was a bigger country, that invaded a smaller country, and that was her. I mean, Kamala Harris is like a Brentwood mom, you know? She's like a wine drunk kind of Brentwood mom. And so that's the way a mom would explain that.
That's what, like a Brentwood, California Pacific palisades, you know, tuna, tartar, chardonnay. Mom explains that she goes. It's a bigger country and they've invaded a smaller country. So that's the level of understanding they want us to have of of any conflict.
But maybe so, maybe that's not the truth is what you're suggesting.
Yeah, but imagine it's not. I imagine it's not everybody that I've spoken to. Respect people like RFK and everything.
There's a whole narrative that nobody's read about, nobody understands.
The war was ongoing since 2014.
Yeah, and just because we weren't paying attention doesn't mean.
Why did these Minsk accords not get signed? Why? I mean, like, you know?
What do you think it's really about?
I think it's about, you know, I think, you know when, when, when. People, like an apple bomb, write that Russia's a failed state and we need to westernize it.
This is in the Atlanta failed state.
She's written these things, and this is a common, maybe a state you don't like.
It's the opposite of a failed state, it's a coherent state.
Yeah, you can not like it, it's been around for a thousand years, it's not. I remember when it was my job to give shopping malls to Afghanistan.
The Afghan, Yes, I remember that. Oh, you do. I remember when I was a senior year in high school.
And everybody goes, Here's what we're doing, we're going to Afghanistan and Iraq, we're going to democratize the Middle East. This was the project, yeah.
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