Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump Jr. Respond to the Trump Verdict

Here's the episode. I used to think, if you.

And it's not democracy, the way, it's not the republic, they're preserving opposite.

Once they it's almost like you get kidnapped, and the kidnapper has a mask on. But once he shows you his face, he's got to kill you. Correct. And they've.

I think we're now figuring that out. We understand it, I think the system's probably been broken, for, you know, much longer than any of us would care to admit. And for me, I saw it.

So, so, you know, there, but even like knowing that I was a target, I was like, I still believed because I wanted to, right. I want to get it. America is the greatest place in the world and you can do it. And I'm like, you know, it's the FBI. And I, you know, again, there's some door kickers that I'm still like, Hey, they're home team.

I get it. They're doing, eventually those guys are going to have to speak up, though. Right. I gave, we're long past, I gave the door kickers a pass for far too long, which is like, Hey, you know, they can't go against the leadership. But like when you're watching this kind of bastardization of justice, when you're watching this sort of lopsided level, when they're, you know, they, they spend more time, you know, kicking down the doors of an Amish farmer selling unpasteurized milk and actually going after people committing terror because, you know, they're trans or, you know, whatever it is that they are.

Uh, you really lose that ability to get that pass that I really wanted them to give. But I, you know, I wanted to believe that everything I grew up believing was accurate, and it's all bullshit. It's just all bullshit. So we have to fix that. That's, that's why we fight now to actually make it so.

I mean, it's never happened before, but arguably, I'd say probably the most heavily armed populace, if they want it to have been right. Of course. But of course it wasn't an insurrection. It didn't matter. And they just wanted to run out the clock.

If you're the father of five kids. Yeah. And yet I still, at the beginning of it, I was like, and then it just, your eyes start to open and you see the games and you see the people that are on your side and you see the, you know, the Lindsey Graham's of the world, right? They get on TV and they're on, you know, Fox or something like that. And they're like, well, we must subpoena these people and we must get to the bottom of this.

I'm like, well, you're like the chairman of the judiciary committee. You have the authority to do that. But you're talking about doing the thing that you have the authority to do, but you're unwilling to actually exercise that power. So that was what disgusted me most about. like the Republicans, right?

You're telling your base, the people who are watching, you know, like you're fighting, but you know damn well that you're not actually fighting. And we see that so much. That's the difference between the Democrats. I mean, they'll put their opposition in jail. They'll smother them.

They'll silence them. There's nothing they won't do to preserve power. We, you know, we'll write a strongly worded memo and do nothing to follow up. And I think, as long as you have that sort of imbalance in the response, nothing changes, because, you know, the Democrats, they'll take their win. They'll run, run to the bank.

They'll laugh their ass off along the way. And nothing changes until we.

I'll just say, speak for myself. And there would be an MSNBC panel of former federal prosecutors telling their audience that I deserved it. And they'd be laughing. The Lincoln Project would send out a, you know, congratulatory tweet. And I was like, wow, this, there's a, there's sort of a lack of humanity.

There's a coldness. There's an evil.

Like. I can't name literally a single metric, a single one, geopolitical, economic, or otherwise, like where we're better off now. And yet they'll outrace us. They'll do this. The media still pushes it as though, you know, biodynamics is doing wonderfully for you.

Like, I get it. I'm the son of a billionaire. I'm pissed off at the grocery store. Like, I'm not, I'm not like one of these woke guys on one of these channels where it's like, my three month old baby was talking about nuclear proliferation on the Carilion Peninsula, Tucker. And, and she was crying.

She's, she was scared. It's like, I get it. Like, I understand where I'm coming from. I'm totally comfortable with that. I've been blessed.

But like, if I'm sitting there with sticker shock, like what's the country feeling? You know, if I see what's going on in my interest rates and my mortgage, like, man, how much longer can we do this? Then you talk about wars and trillions of dollars of spending. And then the Republicans are telling us that, you know, the Ukraine is the number one most important issue for Republicans across our country. I've heard that from Mitch McConnell dozens of times.

It's just not right. I've, I speak in front of, I've spoken in front of more Republicans in the last year than Mitch McConnell has in his entire lifetime. And I think I've surveyed, probably I do it live, like just at a speech, you know, a thousand people here, 500 people here, 5,000 people there. It's not, it's been a top 10 issue at about 60, 65,000 people for three people. One of them, uh, was a DC sort of Beltway guy.

He felt very strongly about it. Probably he was profiteering off of it. Uh, one of them misunderstood the question. So he thought it was a double negative. So it was not in fact, a top 10 issue for him, because I do, is it top three or top 10??

And one of them, it was top 10, but not top three. And I said, sir, you know, and I'll ask him, I don't care. I'll, you know, I want to hear it out. Like, why is, well, I'm from Kiev, Ukraine. I was like, I'm going to give you a pass.

So I'm going to effectively say out of about 65,000 people surveyed in the last, you know, let's call it two years, 18 months, whatever it is since the war started, a little more, I guess. Uh, exactly. You know, basically zero people have been in favor of this, but the leader of the Senate will tell us it's the number one issue for Republicans across the country. It's just not so.

I am a teetotaler. So the other three, and it's a good restaurant, but not like a famous restaurant, a restaurant I've eaten at for many years. The bill was $800 for, for $800, not drinking and no, nothing crazy, like salad, steak, dessert, 800 bucks. And I thought, you know, I'm pretty insulated from costs, but I thought I can't, I can't, how do people live here? My experience was opposite.

Like, you know, I'm not happy at the pump, but like.

I mean, it's literally. You know too much.

Uh, like many of the other cases, like when, you know, one of the cases in New York where they, literally, they changed New York state law to be able to, for one year, they changed the law for one year to be able to go back and change a statute of limitations so that you could go after my father. And then after that year, after that is filed and they go after my father, that was the G Carroll case. It reverts back to the normal statute of limitations because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to do it. This was very similar. This was a case that was, you know, at best misdemeanor type stuff.

Remember, Hillary Clinton started, uh, with, with a similar thing. She got fined, uh, $8,000.. I believe it was for starting. what was the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, with the, uh, steel dossier leaks and, and all of this, right? That was an $8,000 fine.

They want to put my father in jail, for, you know, upwards of a hundred years, depending on how you look at it. And, uh, that's never been done before in these things. because, basically, someone in an accounting department put legal expenses for, you know, paying a lawyer. It's, it's, it's unheard of, but you, you have experts when they say, well, it's a federal election, uh, crime. They wouldn't let the person who wrote the rules, like wrote them is the foremost expert in all of that actually testify for us.

Uh, the jury didn't have to be unanimous on the things that they just all had to sort of come to a general, okay, four guys agreed on this and four people agreed on that. And for that's unanimous, uh, the bastardization of all of this thing. And it, just having been in the courtroom candidly, was watching, you know, when the prosecution, you know, uh, objected to something that we said, it was always, you know, sustained. Uh, they let them, you know, just, we couldn't ask anything when, when it was us asking the questions, the uncomfortable questions of their witnesses, all of a sudden, you know, we were overruled every time. Uh, you, just, the list goes on and on and on.

So you've made the case and.

The federal election commission, the FEC, that would have, you know, would have been one of the things that's around it. They could have tried it. The IRS could have done these things because if it was a tax thing, all of them chose to pass, including again, Alvin Bragg, the guy who's trying it and just tried it right now, passed on this a couple of years ago. Biden's number three at his DOJ comes up and all of a sudden now they're filing the charges. Conveniently, right before an election.

There's no other, there's literally no other explanation for it. When you look at the despastorization of this, you have a judge who's a Biden donor. His daughter is one of the number.

Can I ask you a dumb question?

We got fined almost a half a billion dollars for paying back a bank on time with interest. The bank, who's the alleged victim, is on the stand, being like, no, we love Trump. We want to do more business with Trump, not less. Having their portfolio was a feather in our cap that we used to generate. other business.

Doesn't matter, you're a victim.

It's pure and simple political persecution. They're going after, there's nothing that they won't do to stop Trump. They understand. now, with years of experience in the White House, I think going in as a novice was great in many ways, but you also don't know who the snakes are. You don't know who the people who are going to actually help you and be sort of loyal to the cause.

That causes, being the duly elected president of the United States, doing the things you said you would do versus doing what the swamp wants, slow rolling what the president wants, all those unelected officials. I think the notion of Trump coming back now actually scares them so much more, because he has that knowledge. He has that understanding, and I think that will make him so much more effective in a.

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So are you worried? Well, a couple questions. Will this stop the campaign? Like what effect?

But if anything, I would say it's actually strengthened his resolve. I think he was in 16.. It was the elevator ride right before the escalator ride. Now we find out who our real friends are. He knew what was going to happen.

He knew the celebrities would go, but he knew that and he did it anyway. I think after 2020, he understood that if he just went home, he could go play golf and go back to building buildings and making millions and getting paid to give speeches and stuff like that. It's just too much at stake. And so he's, he's just unwilling to stop.

We saw the nonsense.

It's, it's so much stronger right now. And we're still six months out. That doesn't mean they won't, do, you know, again, I don't even pretend to think that, Hey, it's going to be fair and they're not going to cheat. And they're not, I used to probably think that, Hey, there's only so far they can go. Like how, you know, they're going to roll this guy over the line and a gurney.

and, you know, pretend, he's, cause I used to think they actually had maybe a little bit of shame. Uh, but that's not actually at all true. I don't think they care anymore. They're, they're laughing at, you know, when they use democracy, it's a soundbite.

I'm sure they had boomer parents who indulge them, of course, but I mean, someone needs to be punished at some point, right? So it stops.

Uh, and it's actually hard. It's hard for me to say those things because I'd love not to have to play that game. But I don't believe there's another answer other than like, we have to fight fire with fire. As long as we're playing T-ball, while they're playing fast, pitch, hard ball, they're going to win. They're going to take their power.

They're and laugh every step of the way. Uh, there's, there's just not enough actual fighters there. I mean, when you look at, even honestly, look at, the Republican bench, it's not very deep. No. You know, in terms of the guys that you'd actually hate, who's the guy I want in a Fox hole?

Who's the guy that'll actually fight? Who's the guy that's not going to succumb to the pressures of Washington, DC? Who are they? I mean, like right now, I mean, I love a guy like a JD Vance, you know, there, there, there are a couple, but man, that list is who's next.

Mike Lee is kind of becoming that guy. Mike Lee's a fighter. I like Mike, and, you know, and it's interesting. It's one of those, you know, in 2016,, Mike Lee and I almost got a fist fight on the convention floor. Like, you know, we were very different, but, like, he's, a guy that I text with probably daily.

Yeah. Uh, and so it's interesting that, you know, once you actually have that relationship, you can actually, people come around and it's like, okay, you were.

You know, if you're like, Hey, say whatever you want. When you're speaking to a group of 10 people in your little hometown, you know, you come to DC, you can vote with the Republicans, like 80, 80% of the time when it actually matters. As long as you, you vote with us, Washington Post, isn't going to come after you. They're not going to be protesting in front of your home. It's an easy existence.

You'll get invited to the cool person, Christmas party. You know, sorry, holiday party. I don't want to, you know, they don't celebrate Christmas because they don't believe in God, right? The Democrats, their gods, are evolving, right? Because, you know, Greta Thunberg is the high priestess of climate change.

Fauci is the, you know, the Lord of science and COVID. And these days it's Vladimir Zelinsky, the high priest of Ukraine, which is apparently the number one issue for Republicans across the country. But I've not people, they choose to be their deities and, you know, and everything follows that path until, you know, until they burn out, flame out, or, you know, get exposed for what they really are.

He's incapable of getting through a teleprompter. He would get lost at this table. And I, you know, I don't say that as like glibly, it's just, it's just, it's sad. I feel bad. You know, he can't get through basic things, and yet he's the leader of the free world or whoever's pulling the, you know, the marionette strings.

You know, Trump, locked in a courtroom for five weeks while he should be campaigning. That's, that's really good for them. because he can't, he can bring that message to people. People understand what he's saying. It resonates with them.

He's able to bring people over who would not have otherwise been able to, or would have ever voted Republican. He's one of the few guys that can do that, you know, sort of expose the left for what it is, expose what we're talking about, break through the noise put out there by, you know, the mainstream media, break through the noise and sort of the manipulation of big tech. Those are, you know, and those are trillion dollar industries that are, that are functioning as the marketing department for today's Democrat party. And, you know, to be able to single-handedly sort of break some of those walls down, you know, I mean, if I felt like, if I was in charge of that, if I was in charge of the Democrats, we'd be winning elections 99.9 to 0.01, you know, and yet they're still close. You know, I think our messaging is there and I think it's really important, perhaps, honestly, the stuff that they've done to my father, our family, perhaps it's the most important thing to happen to America in recent history, in that it's exposed just how bad it is.

You can't hide from it anymore. It's not like, I get it, like you come home from a long day of work, you're trying to feed your family, you're listening to five minutes of, you know, Brian Stelter on TV. He's like, well, there's got to be something to it. You know, during the early campaign stuff, if I watch TV to hear about myself, I'm like, man, I hate me too. It's so bad.

People feel it every day. They're not going for it anymore. And I think it's why they're watching you here or me on Rumble or whatever it may be. They're going to other places to hear an alternate viewpoint, because, you know, the machine just.

you even see it now, because I see, you know, just the algorithm. It's like, it'll show me just enough of what I want to see, but never promote anything else. You know, and my meta platforms, I haven't grown in three years, and yet everyone that comes up to me, hey, you've got the greatest Instagram I've ever seen. So the people who are already following me will see my stuff. So it appears, it's almost like it's AI, designed to let you think you're not being censored or that you're able to see the stuff that you want.

Oh, I'm aware. But they're preventing that growth. You're well aware of that. So, you know, the evolution of that is making it harder. You know, in 16,, 17,, 18, when I was starting to get censored by, you know, let's call it Twitter 1.0, you know, they're like, well, how do you know you're being censored?

I was like, well, because yesterday I got 7,500 retweets on a post. Today I got three, and it's, you know, like I do my own social. When I hit that button, I know what it's going to do. I know when it's, again, that's a decent post. That's hot.

That's going to go big. And it's like when it goes big for about 30 seconds and then it's like, you see exactly what they're doing, but they're coming up with better ways to make it appear as though they're not censoring, while still, you know, continuing to perpetuate and push, you know, the ideals that they espouse and value.

the convictions come down, 34 yesterday, and your father goes out there and just basically raises the middle finger and says, we're going to win anyway. And within hours, Benning Thompson of Mississippi, who's a monster Democratic congressman, says, introduces legislation to pull a secret service. So basically they're saying, okay, we'll kill you now.

Of course it is.

We've seen this, the double standard that's out there. I mean, you know. But how hard is it for you? Congresswoman after congresswoman. You have a Hamas caucus, you know, in Congress calling for, you know, the death of people in the Middle East.

It's, you know, well, that's okay. You can't do that. If we did something similar, we'd be, we'd be blocked. We'd be off of every platform. We'd be canceled.

And, you know, again, different games. We're playing two very, very different games. But that's so threatening. We're going to, I mean, Tony Fauci has seen, he doesn't even.

I happen to know for a fact, because it's my dog park, former dog park. And he's got, you know, three guys following him, but they want to pull it from your desk.

as it relates to Gorsuch and others, it's insanity. If they did that to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, if they were picketing in front of their house, like they did Amy Cooley Barrett, that would be a serious problem. Those people would go to jail. Of course. But, you know, well, we'll let the, you know, if that's the conservative justice, we'll let them suffer a little bit.

We'll make sure it, but it's effective, because then you see some of them, and they, some of them, are a little weaker than, you know, perhaps their principles. And, you know, they're, man, it's a little bit of, maybe I got to go a little light on this one, because it's not worth the headache. I mean.

But, you know, they're like, well, no, we're admitting it. now. It's like, no, but you got exactly what you wanted at the time. We understand there's no accountability for it. You know, that's election interference as much as anything else.

Also, you know, there was a stat, I think it was 17% of people said, had they known about the Hunter Biden laptop, it would have changed their vote in 2020.

. I mean, 17%? That's a lot of votes. And yet, you know, that was the gospel. And if you said anything about it, we've had the conversation about, you know, Wuhan lab leak theory.

No, no, no, of course it didn't come from the lab that studies the virus in question. It came from the wet market, three feet outside of the lab. And if you believe otherwise, we're going to pull your funding. If you're a doctor, you'll lose, you know, you'll lose tenure. if you're at a university.

You won't, you know, Fauci is going to not sign off on your, your, your grants anymore. And even if you were like, but you don't have to be a science, or like, Dawn, how would you know you're not a virologist? It's like, you don't have to be a virologist to know that it happened there. You just have to not be an imbecile. Like, you know, you can, you can have like mid double digit IQ and be like, of course, it came from the place that studies the exact virus in question.

that was at ground zero of where it released, and not from four feet outside of that. Like, it's insane. And yet think of the truly intelligent people in positions of power, in medicine and otherwise, who went along with this blindly, because, you know, it was easier to do. And, you know, there was a lot of money and,

You are a liar.

Or, you know, they always said, you know, the difference between the truth and the conspiracy theory is six months. You know, now it's like six minutes, but they'll still get what they want out of that six minutes. Use it to manipulate whatever they need to. And, you know, I don't see that stopping. I see more people being awake to it.

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So how does it play out from here over the next five months? I mean, they tried to put him in prison. They're still, do you think he... We got to overwhelm the margin of fraud. So it's, wait, it's, just to ask, it's July 11th is sentencing.

July 11th. Yeah, by the way, you think.

That's too far. Yeah, yeah. It's, nothing's too far. And again, until it happens to everyone, we have to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, thinking they're going to act above board. This is an arm's length transaction.

No, it's not. Like, what are you talking about? There's not a single aspect of this case that should stand in any court. But where do you appeal right now? To the New York appellate division, which is just as radical?

You know, if, and it's not just this case. Look at all the shade, all the craziness around Fannie Willis, right? That case. You look at Jack Smith and the FBI doctoring documents and setting up, staging photos and then leaking it to the Washington Post. The classified documents that end up on the front page of the Washington Post.

That's fine. Each one of these things wouldn't stand. If we did this to, meaning conservatives, some sort of Republican, did this to Obama, it would never end. It would be a perpetual story, and rightfully so. And yet, like, hey, as long as it's against a conservative, as long as it's against Trump, who's up against that machine, we're going to allow these things to happen.

It's not like one of these things doesn't have any serious hair on it, right? They're all shady as hell. And yet it doesn't matter. And our mainstream media almost refuses to cover it. They won't talk about these things.

My father, in many cases, is gagged. I mean, think about that. I mean, you know, First Amendment is kind of First Amendment, right? It's a big one for us. The president, former president of the United States, is not allowed to talk about the facts of the case because, you know, if people actually heard that from him, they'd realize just how much, you know, BS is in all of these things.

That should trouble a lot of people. You think it stops with Trump? Like, I mean, think about that. I mean, if they can do it to arguably one of the out there, most powerful people in the world, a bank account to be able to fight, a base to push it, venues to be a soapbox to speak from, if they can do it to him, who can't they do it to? But, more importantly, if they will so flagrantly and so corruptly do it to him, who won't they do it to?

I mean, that's the question we have to be asking. I mean, is anyone safe? And it's like COVID. People going blindly along, no, it's going to be different this time. I'm like, really?

That's what you've got out of this?

When it's rigged the way it is, it doesn't matter.

But they're not going to let it play out. I mean, do you think they'll ever take their foot off the gas? No, it's not. They've gotten away with it for years.

I mean, that's perhaps the thing that's most important to me. Frankly, there's a component of me that I don't want to win the presidency if we don't have Congress in the Senate, because I'll probably be up on charges again. And we'll get to go through impeachment, you know, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, you know, for the next four years. And, you know, I don't think that's a great place to be. But I think, you know, apathy has caused us a lot of problems, especially on the conservative side, where, hey, we run businesses and we do these sorts of things.

And, you know, we want to spend time with our families and all noble things that are important. But we have to take the initiative to get involved at every level of these things, because the left has taken over every major institution in our country that controls, I mean, what they've done in education, manipulating our children, what they've done in entertainment, oftentimes the same thing. It can't stand if we actually want to have a future. You know, our kids, they graduate out, there's high schools behind districts, you know, no one can read or do math, but, you know, they know the 4,376 genders. And I imagine since this interview started, there's probably another 15 that I haven't included that.

So I don't want to be labeled, as, you know, whatever, a gender bigot by not including them. But that's the last I've been able to keep track of.

We just live in perilous times.

I mean, there are tech VC guys, respected guys, that, you know, Hillary donors, and even probably Biden donors that are like, okay, I've seen enough, you know, stroking, you know, six and seven figure checks now. Because, you know, I think people who are watching closely enough truly understand just how far we have fallen, just how close we are, perhaps, to that, you know, fulcrum point, where there's a point of no return, right?

And I think, if we ever let it get there, you know, there's no question in my mind that the Democrat elite, if they'd maintain and seize that power, and, you know, it'll happen like all sort of, you know, communist nations. And that's where we're at. And I think people see that. And people who may not even agree with Trump on everything, and you don't have to agree with Trump on anything like that, you know, I obviously agree with him on everything, Tucker,

as the dutiful subject, you know. It's reached a level of principle, though. Yeah, but it's like, again, you know, name a metric where we're better off under Joe Biden. You know, we're on the brink of, you know, World War III, with the world's largest nuclear superpower by volume of nuclear capable, you know, ballistic missiles. I don't know.

We're going to keep funding that. We're okaying, you know, a guy that was a former, like, weirdo actor to send the U.S.-made missiles into Russia, provoking that, I guess. And maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's the next distraction, right? You know, COVID was the distraction for 2020, to allow them to manipulate things.

Maybe World War III is the distraction, you know, for this election cycle.

100%. 100%. Do you think since you, last question,

Now they're talking about, well, who would, right? Well, why would,

Okay. The trans Admiral is only an Admiral because they're trans, not because they're competent or capable. and it doesn't matter. It's grotesque. A big part of, you know, signing up for that and possibly dying for your country, is actually believing in the things that you're fighting for.

That's the basics of patriotsism. That's exactly. And if you don't believe in those things and you understand that, you're going to be vilified, uh, you know, you're going to be forced to not learn how to shoot, but do diversity training. Why on earth would you do that? I wouldn't.

And that's the problem.

What does victory in Ukraine look like? I don't know what it means. Like, I don't know. Is it just like perpetual death of Ukrainians and Russians until they're all wiped out? and, you know, black rock comes in there and takes over all the farmland.

I mean, is that what it is? Cause it, I mean, it feels like that's what it is to me.

I'd have a hard time. I mean, honestly, the metric I use for this is not just the recruitment numbers, but the amount of guys that I know, you know, you know, I shoot a lot and whatever. the circles are tight, like that, are like fourth generation army. They're like, they're like, I would beat the crap out of my son if he decided to like, these are guys that, you know, their entire ethos is around that, that military background. They're great friends.

And they're like, I know they wouldn't even think about it. They disowned their children if they joined this military today. And that's sad.

Well, Godspeed. Thank you for that. Thank you, man.

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