Boeing CEO Testifies, New Mexico Wildfires, Hospital Hacks

2024-06-19 00:16:00

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The head of Boeing was grilled on the hill about safety practices in two fatal crashes

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of 737 Max planes.

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I apologize for the grief that we have caused.

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The families who lost loved ones say an apology isn't enough.

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I'm A. Martinez, that's Leila Fadal, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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New Mexico's governor declares a state of emergency as two wildfires force the evacuation

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of thousands.

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The message to New Mexicans is that every resource available while we combat these fires

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is available.

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Does the state have what it needs?

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And one of the country's largest health systems is still recovering from a massive cyber attack

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that caused dangerous mix-ups and serious complications with patient care.

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The head of troubled planemaker Boeing was questioned pretty aggressively on Capitol

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Hill yesterday.

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Yes, CEO Dave Calhoun testified in public for the first time since a door plug panel

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blew out of a 737 MaxJet in midair.

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That incident renewed deep concerns about Boeing's focus on quality control and safety.

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NPR's Joel Rose has been following all of this and joins us now.

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Good morning, Joel.

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Hi, Laila.

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So, this hearing has been a long time coming.

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What was it like?

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It started with a dramatic moment.

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Before his prepared remarks, Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun turned around to face the gallery

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in the hearing room, and he offered an apology to the families of people who were killed

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in the crashes of two Boeing 737 MaxJets in 2018 and 2019.

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They killed 346 people in total.

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Some of those family members were in the room yesterday when Calhoun testified, holding

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up photographs of loved ones who died in the crashes.

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And many still want to see Boeing's leaders held accountable.

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Nadia Miliron lost her daughter, Samia Stumo, in the crash.

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She spoke to reporters before the hearing, and she said she believes Boeing and Calhoun

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are still putting profits ahead of safety.

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When they get pressed for time and they need to produce a lot of planes quickly, they throw

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all of their safety rubrics out the window.

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So it isn't about what he has in place.

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He does have everything in place.

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He just doesn't follow it.

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So what did Boeing's CEO have to say?

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Well, Calhoun said Boeing has heard these concerns about its safety culture, quote,

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loud and clear.

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He talked about the detailed action plan that Boeing has given federal regulators, how it

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slowed production of the 737, and other steps that the company is taking to try to shore

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up quality at its own factories and at its suppliers.

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And Calhoun also talked about the loss of veteran employees during the COVID-19 pandemic.

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He said that loss of experience has really hurt Boeing and its suppliers.

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We turned over a lot of people, and yes, a lot of experienced people.

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Our supply chain experienced enormous turnover.

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So much of this relates to an untrained workforce.

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It's all about that, honestly.

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Calhoun said the company is trying to ramp up training to get younger employees up to speed.

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Calhoun is himself leaving his job at the end of this year.

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No word yet on who will replace him as CEO.

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And how did senators react?

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Senators were very skeptical of Calhoun, I think on both sides of the aisle.

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They noted that Calhoun himself has gotten a big raise, while most of his Boeing workforce

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has not.

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Here's Josh Hawley, a Republican senator from Missouri.

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I don't think the problem's with the employees.

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It's the C-suite.

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It's the management.

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It's what you've done to this company.

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That's where the problem is.

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The problem's at the top.

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And I just hope to God that you don't destroy this company before it can be saved.

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Senators also noted that Boeing's leaders have said a lot of these things before, after

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those two previous MAX crashes.

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Senators said they wanted to see fewer promises and more action from the company.

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Now, Boeing could still face criminal prosecution.

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Where does that stand?

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This goes back to those crashes of two 737 MAX jets more than five years ago.

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Boeing struck a deal with the Justice Department to avoid prosecution for misleading regulators

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about the safety of those planes.

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Basically, the company was put on probation for three years.

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Family members of the crash victims have long criticized that as a sweetheart deal, and

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they want to see Boeing's leaders held accountable.

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Federal prosecutors now say Boeing has not held up its end of that deal.

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They are expected to announce soon what they're going to do next, whether they will take Boeing

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to court or just extend its probation.

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That's NPR Transportation Correspondent Joel Rose.

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Thank you, Joel.

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You're welcome.

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Two fast-growing wildfires have upended the lives of thousands of people near Rudoso,

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New Mexico.

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The village of about 7,000 people remains completely evacuated, and the deadly fires

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have already burned more than 20,000 acres in just a day.

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KC Counts with member station KRWG in Las Cruces is watching the fires closely.

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So, KC, how do these fires start, and what's the local response been there?

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Well, good morning.

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Thank you for having us.

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The cause is still under investigation, but these fires grew so very fast.

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There was air support almost immediately, but we had some 20 to 25-mile-per-hour winds

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that are always a challenge for firefighters.

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Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham gave an update to New Mexicans during a news conference yesterday.

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More than 17 agencies are on the ground working together, both federal and state.

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More than 800 personnel are on the ground providing services, acting as first responders,

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and battling the fire.

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Now, Monday, authorities ate an evacuation for all of Rudoso and several surrounding

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areas by late afternoon.

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Yesterday, another 2,600 people were told to leave the community of Rudoso Downs.

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Initial response to the fires was from the Mescalero Apache tribe, on whose land it was

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first discovered.

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Yesterday, they called in a lot more help.

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A federal incident management team has arrived.

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They'll be taking charge of the fire starting this morning.

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Yeah, winds make things really difficult to contain and also very dangerous.

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Do we know how many homes have burned and if anyone has been injured or killed?

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Well, Governor Lujan Grisham said one person has died.

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We don't have confirmed reports of other deaths or serious injuries at this time, and we don't

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know anything about that person who has lost their life.

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We do know about 7,000 people in and around Rudoso are still evacuated.

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The State Forestry Division has said about 1,400 structures have been lost.

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Now, that's an update by last night.

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Earlier in the day, it was 500 structures.

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So you can just see how quickly things are changing there.

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It's unclear at this point how many of those are homes versus businesses.

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We've seen pictures and videos circulating that appear to show homes and some well-known

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businesses that are destroyed.

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So you're in Las Cruces.

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That's about two hours from the fire.

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But I understand that you have property in Rudoso.

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What's that town like and what are you hearing from people who've had to evacuate?

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Yeah, it's a resort town.

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So it's a cool place at 7,000 feet in elevation where people from all over New Mexico and

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Texas go to cool off from the triple-digit heat in the summertime.

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And of course, it's surrounded by pine forest.

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There's a ski area and the Mescalero Apache tribe operates that as well as a couple of

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popular casinos.

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There's also a horse racing track in Rudoso Downs.

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We have our property there.

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Our tenant who rents our home full-time got out safely.

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But she shared some video with me through the Facebook Messenger app.

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There was just fire on all sides.

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It was terrifying.

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And people are just feeling really anxious to get more information now at this point.

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Oh, of course.

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I mean, they feel cut off like any other person would be in a fire like that.

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What's the outlook for the fire today?

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Yeah, there's some good news weather-wise.

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There's some rain chances for the rest of the week.

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Really strong ones.

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But of course, that could bring the possibility of lightning with these scattered thunderstorms.

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So by tomorrow, we're starting to see some really healthy rain chances.

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That will be a huge help.

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KC Counts is with member station KRWG in Las Cruces, New Mexico.

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KC, thanks.

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Thank you.

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Ascension, one of the country's largest health systems, has been dealing with the

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effects of a ransomware attack for more than a month.

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The Catholic health system runs 140 hospitals and other facilities in 18 states and Washington, D.C.

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Doctors and nurses say patients have been put at risk.

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Kate Wells of member station Michigan Public is joining us from Ann Arbor, Michigan.

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She's been reporting on the national impact of this with Rachana Pradhan of KFF Health News.

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Kate, hi.

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Hi, Layla.

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So the cyber attack started on May 8th.

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How has it disrupted care?

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Yeah, so for weeks, it took out all the hospitals' access to electronic health records and basically

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every system that Ascension uses to do everything from tracking patients to ordering labs and

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tests to just making sure that the right medication goes to the right patient.

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And right now, things have gotten better.

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Gradually, Ascension says it's been able to restore access to things like electronic

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health records, but the staff that we've been talking to say things are not fully back

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to normal yet.

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They're still glitches and delays.

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So tell me more about what the staff has been telling you.

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You and Rachana talked with nurses and doctors in three states about what happened to patients

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during the first few weeks of the cyber attack.

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What did they say?

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Yeah, the staff that I talked to were genuinely worried about their patients' safety.

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I talked with a dozen doctors and nurses here in Michigan, and across the board, they described

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numerous close calls when the wrong medications would be ordered, when labs would just get

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lost, when patients were being tracked with sticky notes or Google Docs.

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An Ascension Hospital ER doctor that I talked to in Detroit said one of their patients was

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given a dangerous narcotic that was intended for another patient because of a paperwork

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mix-up, and that patient who got the wrong meds had to be put on a ventilator because

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of that and sent to the ICU.

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An ER nurse at the same hospital in Detroit told me about a patient of theirs who died.

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This was a woman who came in, and she went into cardiac arrest after staff had waited

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for four hours for these labs that they urgently needed to figure out how to treat her, and

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they just never received.

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The nurse told me at the time in May, they said, if I started having crushing chest pain

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in the middle of work, and I thought I was having a big one, I would grab someone to

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drive me to another hospital down the street.

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So they're describing pretty dangerous conditions.

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What's Ascension saying?

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So we ran all of these examples past Ascension, and they declined to comment on them, but

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they did tell us in an email, quote, we are confident that our care providers in our hospitals

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and facilities continue to provide quality medical care.

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They had said in an earlier statement that their staff was, quote, trained for these

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kinds of disruptions.

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But we spoke with experts who said, you know, this is beyond what most hospitals are probably

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prepared for.

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I talked with John Clark.

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He's an associate chief of pharmacy at the University of Michigan Health System, and

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he says, look, his health system can handle six to eight hours of downtime, no problem.

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And they've got emergency plans on the books for like two to three days.

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But at Ascension, these systems were down for weeks.

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I don't believe that anyone is fully prepared for a long term process like this.

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Yeah.

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And we've been seeing more and more of these massive cyber attacks in health care in the

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last few years.

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Why is that?

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Well, ransomware attackers have figured out that the health sector is kind of like the

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perfect prey here, right?

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They may not have the most secure systems.

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They're big businesses with a lot of revenue.

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And the stakes are really high for them, right?

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They've got these patients' lives on the line.

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So what we're watching in real time here is the hospital industry and also regulators

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try to catch up with what's been happening.

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That's Kate Wells with Michigan Public joining us from Ann Arbor, Michigan.

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Thank you so much for your reporting, Kate.

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You're welcome.

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We end today with the passing of baseball icon and Hall of Famer Willie Mays.

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Many fans that saw him play in person will argue that he was the greatest and most exciting

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player in the sports history.

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He had over 3,000 hits and more than 600 home runs with a batting average just over 300

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in 23 big league seasons.

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And while Mays was a force with a bat in his hands, he was also a graceful speedster with

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a glove while playing center field, making incredibly difficult plays look easy.

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His most famous catch was in the 1954 World Series when he ran down a long fly ball to

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deep center off the bat of Cleveland slugger Vic Wirtz at the Polo Grounds in New York.

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Willie Mays just brought this crowd to its feet with a catch, which must have been an

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optical illusion to a lot of people.

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That play came to be simply known as the catch.

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I was lucky enough to meet Willie Mays when I was traveling with the Los Angeles Dodgers

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as their pre- and post-game show host.

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We were at the Giants ballpark in San Francisco and I nervously introduced myself and my name

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caught his attention.

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It made him laugh because his nickname was the Say Hey Kid, and I'm A. Martinez, so it

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made him chuckle a little bit.

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Willie Mays was 93 years old.

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And that's Up First for Wednesday, June 19th.

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Happy Juneteenth, everyone.

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