Campaigns Look To Court, France Seeks Calm, Twitter Rations Views

2023-07-03 00:14:02

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Supreme Court rulings are the focus of presidential campaigns.

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It is about an attack on foundational freedoms.

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Vice President Harris said that to NPR.

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How do Republican candidates see it?

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I'm Rob Schmitz with Steve Inskeep, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Is France any closer to ending almost a week of violent protests?

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A police shooting of a teenager led to riots and thousands of arrests.

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Last night, tens of thousands of French police tried to keep the peace.

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I do believe that there is a national movement afoot to attack hard-won and hard-fought freedoms.

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Vice President Kamala Harris is talking there with our colleague Michelle Martin.

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Harris was referring to several big Supreme Court decisions.

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The court took rights from the people of America.

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Congress can put those rights back in place.

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We cannot through executive action.

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Congress can.

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And with that remark, on NPR's morning edition, Harris pointed to the next election.

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Americans will vote for President and Congress.

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So how will the candidates use the court rulings as a pitch to voters?

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NPR's senior political editor and correspondent Domenico Montanaro is here.

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Domenico, good morning.

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Hey, good morning, Steve.

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Okay, so the court said President Biden overreached when he forgave more than $400 billion worth of student loans.

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Biden says he's going to try to forgive them in some other way.

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But what happens now?

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Yeah, I mean, Biden's going to try another path, you know,

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through the Education Department and the Higher Education Act.

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But a lot of legal scholars thought that how Biden went about this originally

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was not going to hold up in court, especially with this conservative majority court.

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And it did not.

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Some are blaming Biden for what they see as over-promising and under-delivering.

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The White House hopes to blunt that by blaming Republicans and the court.

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Here was the president speaking about this decision.

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What I did I thought was appropriate and was able to be done and would get done.

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I didn't give Boris false hope, but the Republicans snatched away

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the hope that they were given, and it's real, real hope.

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You know, how younger voters in particular interpret this is going to be key because

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they're a critical part of the Democratic base and they've been skeptical of Biden.

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Yeah, interesting question.

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Do they blame the president because it didn't happen or blame the court for getting in the way?

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Two other big decisions I want to ask about.

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The court sided with a Colorado web designer who wanted clearance in advance

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to deny wedding services to same-sex couples.

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The court said fine.

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The court also struck down using race as a factor for elite university admissions.

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So how did those rulings compare to public opinion?

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Well, when you look at public opinion on these rulings, it's mixed.

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I mean, the country is becoming increasingly supportive of LGBTQ rights in general,

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but for affirmative action, it's a little more complicated.

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In general, Americans say they're in favor of continuing affirmative action programs.

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But when pollsters ask specifically about the use of race in college admissions,

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majorities say they're against the practice.

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That's especially true of whites and Asian Americans.

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The question here really is whether this decision motivates Black voters to go out

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and vote in some respects because we're seeing right now that we're in a moment

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where many Black Americans feel under assault with not just this decision,

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but policies that have been enacted across the country.

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And when you add that to the anger that many people feel in the middle

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and on the left about abortion rights,

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Democrats certainly hope that these decisions will keep their base engaged

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ahead of the next presidential election next year.

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There's certainly a partisan difference on views of the Supreme Court.

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Republican presidential candidates have been praising it.

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Oh, absolutely.

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You know, the candidates very much lined up behind the court.

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Former President Trump took credit for appointing these justices.

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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis actually fired back at Trump,

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pointing out that in 2015, Trump had said he was fine with affirmative action.

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Former Vice President Pence even went so far as to say that there's no

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racial inequity in schools any longer,

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and that affirmative action may have been necessary 50 years ago, but not any longer.

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When you just look at test scores, though, I mean,

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the racial achievement gap is still wide.

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And, you know, even if it's a bit smaller than the 60s and 70s,

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you know, Republican candidates are really running to the right on a host of policies,

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many of which are unpopular with the broader public.

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Domenico, thanks as always for your insights.

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Really appreciate it.

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You're welcome.

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That's NPR's Domenico Montanaro.

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An army of police, 45,000 of them,

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were on the streets of cities in France again last night.

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And the police presence is finally starting to seem like enough.

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They arrested far fewer people than on previous nights.

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The country has faced almost a week of violent protests

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after police killed a 17-year-old during a traffic stop last Tuesday.

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NPR's Eleanor Beardsley joins us now from France.

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Hey there, Eleanor.

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Hi, guys.

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What was the weekend like?

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Well, you know, I was in the southern Mediterranean port city of Marseille,

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which has been one of the most hard-hit cities.

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Here's what it sounded like, Steve.

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There were pitched running battles going on between the riot police

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and groups of young people across the old port and through the streets.

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Surreal scenes of these mostly young protesters, some as young as 14,

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playing cat and mouse game with the cops as they rampaged through the city

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while startled tourists looked on.

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And I talked to some of these young rioters.

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Let's listen.

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What they told me is that the cops are racist and treat them horribly,

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smack them around.

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You know, most of these kids, they're French,

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but they're of Arab or African origin.

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And they said the cops should be protecting us,

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but instead we're scared of them.

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And that's why we're out here to teach the cops a lesson.

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They said that's why we're smashing things.

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They've looted more than 400 shops in Marseille alone,

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burned cars, damaged buildings.

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And remember, scenes like this, as you said, have played out all over France.

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There's been widespread vandalism

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and the senseless destruction of community property like schools and town halls.

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Remember, this all started last Tuesday

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when the police shot and killed a 17-year-old named Nael at a traffic stop.

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They first said that he tried to ram them with his car.

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Then a video came out showing that the cop had actually

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killed him through the window at point-blank range.

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He's been charged with voluntary homicide, but that's when the violence started.

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But over the weekend, the grandmother of Nael actually begged people,

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please stop rioting.

1Speaker 1
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Finally, though, last evening, as Rob said, things were a little bit quieter.

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Does the government think the protests are finally losing steam?

2Speaker 2
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Yes, the government does think that.

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The interior minister says they have definitely diminished.

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This may be the end of them.

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But, you know, the nation is reeling.

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There's a definite sense of outrage that it's gone way too far.

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And it crystallized over something that happened this weekend, Steve.

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Rioters tried to drive a car into the house of one of the mayors

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of a suburban town of Paris.

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He was actually at the town hall dealing with the riots,

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but his wife and children were home.

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Two young children.

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She had to flee over the back garden wall and broke her leg doing so.

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The kids are OK, but there's been a huge outpouring of sympathy for the mayor

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and anger about it.

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And there's going to be gatherings and mayors across the country for civil peace.

1Speaker 1
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Eleanor, we've seen sometimes in the United States a backlash to protests

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that changes people's opinions of the original incident.

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But what does this incident and the strong feelings about it

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and the protests mean for the political leadership in France?

2Speaker 2
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Well, I think they're under intense pressure to do something

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about this deep-seated racism that we've seen in the police.

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But this is not new.

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It keeps coming back up.

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And about also the plight of these young people who feel like second-class citizens.

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So they've got to do something about that.

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But at the same time, the nation is revolted.

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And I think the far-right analysts are saying they're going to gain from this.

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They are all over the airwaves capitalizing on this.

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Just this morning, somebody from Marine Le Pen's party said,

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these are no-go zones.

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That used to sound extremist.

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Now people have seen it.

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They may gain followers.

1Speaker 1
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Capitalizing on the protests, you mean.

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Eleanor, thanks so much.

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Yes, thank you.

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And there's Eleanor Beardsley.

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Another day, another series of bizarre events on Twitter.

4Speaker 4
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Elon Musk is capping the number of tweets users can see each day.

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Social media channels typically want to draw as many eyes as possible to their content.

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So why impose limits on users instead?

1Speaker 1
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Let's put that question to NPR tech reporter Bobby Allen,

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who has been covering Elon Musk.

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Gets an email from him from time to time.

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Hey there, Bobby.

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Hey, Steve.

1Speaker 1
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OK, so what is Elon Musk doing?

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, I mean, even for erratic Musk, this is something of a surprise.

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He says it's an attempt to crack down on companies that scrape Twitter for data.

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The idea is that if there's a cap on how many tweets users can read,

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companies won't be able to do mass data scraping.

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He originally said unverified accounts can read 600 tweets,

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and verified accounts can read 6,000.

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After massive blowback, he raised the cap a few times.

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It now sits at 1,000 tweets for those without blue checks and 10,000 for those paying.

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Musk says this is all about artificial intelligence companies, right?

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They train AI models, as we know, by hoovering up tons of data from websites like Twitter.

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He says all the data scraping makes Twitter less stable for everyday users.

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It's hard to independently confirm whether this is really why Musk is doing this.

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But Steve, there is something we can say without question,

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and that is Musk is trying to make more money.

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Twitter has been burning cash for months,

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and by saying if you want to read more tweets, you gotta pay,

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Musk hopes more people will open their pocketbooks.

1Speaker 1
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Okay, well, you know, I think I'm like a lot of people.

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I have a love-hate relationship.

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I'm on Twitter a lot.

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I get a lot out of Twitter.

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But when I first found out I was being limited,

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I kind of wanted to say thank you for limiting my time on Twitter.

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How are other users responding?

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, you hear a lot of that.

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Some Twitter diehards are upset for that very reason.

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After hitting the threshold, you're now told your rate limit has been exceeded,

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and you literally can't see tweets from that point on.

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But there are some other things to consider.

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For instance, you know, governments and emergency services

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that use Twitter to get the word out about severe weather

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or other dangerous situations,

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now they could be cut off from the public.

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That could be a real problem.

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And advertisers are going to be restricted,

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and that will mean less revenue generated for Twitter.

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And some context, this is happening at a time

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when advertising spending has cratered at Twitter.

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It's down nearly 60% from a year ago.

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So bad time to be messing with ad revenue.

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The new limits were also, you know, so annoying to so many users

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that many once again said,

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I'm getting off Twitter, I'm going someplace else.

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Maybe Blue Sky, maybe Mastodon.

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We've been hearing this a lot since Musk bought Twitter back in October.

1Speaker 1
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Yeah, wasn't there just a wave of people urging everyone

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to jump ship just a few days ago?

3Speaker 3
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Yes, because Twitter, under Elon Musk,

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imposed a new rule that forced you to have an account

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in order to read a tweet.

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And social media experts say this is a very bad idea.

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It makes Twitter less open, less public, and more like a walled garden.

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Not to mention, you know, if somebody sends you a really funny tweet

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and you want to see the joke,

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you can't unless you have a Twitter account.

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So that's kind of a bummer for people who don't have Twitter.

1Speaker 1
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Okay, just a few seconds left.

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But are these latest changes permanent?

3Speaker 3
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We don't know.

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We know that Musk says that the cap on tweets is temporary.

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The you need an account to view a tweet thing may be permanent.

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But users are having fun with this.

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Steve, one wrote,

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just got rate limited at my 6,000th tweet

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and had to leave my office and spend time with my wife and kids

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for the first time in years.

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Turns out they're really cool people.

1Speaker 1
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NPR's Bobby Allen, part of your unlimited diet of NPR news.

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Bobby, thanks so much.

3Speaker 3
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Thanks, Steve.

1Speaker 1
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And that's Up First for this Monday, July 3rd.

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Rob, you knocked those names out of the park.

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Thank you so much.

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