Congress Votes On Aid, Auto Workers Vote On Unionizing, New Melatonin Guidelines

2024-04-20 00:14:02

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He's serving Ukraine first in America last.

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Vocal critics in his own party didn't want him to do it, but today's speaker, Mike Johnson,

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is letting the House vote on aid to Ukraine.

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Will it cost him his gavel?

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I'm Aisha Roscoe.

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And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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We expect votes on assistance to U.S. allies this afternoon over the objections of Republicans,

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including Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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There's already teed up a measure to oust the speaker.

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What to watch?

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But also...

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More voting.

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VW workers in Chattanooga have been deciding over the last three days whether to join the

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UAW.

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They've said no twice over the last decade.

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We have the latest results.

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It's been another topsy-turvy week in the Republican-led House of Representatives, and

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it's not over yet.

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The House is voting today on aid for Ukraine as part of a larger package to support U.S.

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allies, and it could cost Speaker Mike Johnson.

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We have to do the right thing.

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And I'm going to allow an opportunity for every single member of the House to vote their

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conscience and their will on this.

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And I think that's the way this institution is supposed to work.

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And I'm willing to take personal risk for that, because we have to do the right thing.

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And history will judge us.

1Speaker 1
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The personal risk Mr. Johnson's referring to there is his job.

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That's enough of his fellow Republicans have signed on to an effort that could remove him

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from the speakership.

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And PR congressional correspondent Claudia Grisales joins us.

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Claudia, thanks so much for being with us.

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Good to be with you, Scott.

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Mr. Johnson was once opposed to giving more aid to Ukraine.

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What changed?

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A lot.

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Yes.

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Johnson was opposed without assurances of new U.S. border policy changes being attached

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to this legislation.

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It was that reason he refused to take up a Senate bipartisan bill, because it did not

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have those changes.

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But we've since learned that Johnson changed his position after intelligence briefings

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and extensive prayer.

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Here he is earlier this week talking about the risks if Ukraine is defeated by Russian

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President Vladimir Putin.

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I think that Vladimir Putin would continue to march through Europe if he were allowed.

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I think he might go to the Balkans next.

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I think he might have a showdown with Poland or one of our NATO allies.

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He also quoted President John Quincy Adams saying, quote, duty is ours, results are God's.

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So now Johnson is facing threats from members of his own party to resign or asking him to

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resign or these threats that he could be forced down.

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Where's that threat stand now?

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Well, Georgia Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene started the initial steps for so-called motion

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to vacate.

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And she could take additional steps to force a vote because of this Ukraine aid getting

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on the floor.

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This has been a red line for her.

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Also, she's had two more Republicans join her to co-sponsor that effort, Thomas Massey

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of Kentucky and Paul Gosar of Arizona.

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This could be the vote she needs to force him out of office.

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But again, she has not forced this vote yet.

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And it is possible Democrats step in to save Johnson.

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And Democrats played an enormous role in moving this package of foreign aid bills to the floor

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in the first place, didn't they?

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Yes, exactly.

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And this aid also includes aid to Israel and allies in the Indo-Pacific.

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And they would not be getting votes today if Democrats had not stepped in.

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Here's Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries talking to reporters yesterday.

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House Democrats have once again cleared the way for legislation that is important to the

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American people to be processed and considered on the House floor.

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And what he's referring to is some rare moves we saw this week with Democrats helping get

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a procedural rule passed to allow votes on this bill today.

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And Jeffries defended Johnson's role as well, saying that he played a bipartisan role to

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get this done.

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Have Democrats signaled that they might step in to save Speaker Johnson?

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Publicly, no, but they have signaled they might.

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This is very different from what we saw when House Speaker Kevin McCarthy was ousted.

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Democrats railed against McCarthy.

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And that is not the case here.

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In fact, Jeffries earlier this year said it was possible Democrats would protect Johnson

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if he put foreign aid on the floor.

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And he was asked about this again yesterday and said the caucus would have to have a discussion.

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But he did note this aid needed to pass in totality first.

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And the Senate's still up there, aren't they?

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Exactly.

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They reauthorized the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, ahead of a critical

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deadline.

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And they're hoping to work through the weekend to take up these foreign aid bills, assuming

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the House passes them.

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And here's Claudia Grisales.

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Claudia, thanks so much for being with us.

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Thank you.

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Now that union vote in Tennessee and a historic win for the United Auto Workers, Volkswagen

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workers at a plant in Chattanooga have voted overwhelmingly to join the union.

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Part of a larger push that the UAW is making across the South.

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Stephen Bissaha of the Gulf States Newsroom spent the night at an election result watch

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party with workers.

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He joins us now from Chattanooga.

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Stephen, thanks for being with us.

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Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Must have been a happy mood at the party.

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Yeah, it really leaned into the party side of election watch party.

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From the very beginning, there was a lot of excitement in the air, along with some tension

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and anxiety over how it was going to go.

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That quickly broke when the ballot counting started coming in Friday night.

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Because union, they grabbed onto a quick lead and held onto it by a wide margin the whole

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time.

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Robert Crum has been at Volkswagen for 12 years, and he voted for the union in two previous

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elections that both failed.

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So how does it feel to finally be a union member?

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Sense of security, a sense of relief.

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Yeah, it feels really, really good.

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More of a surreal moment.

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By the end of the night, about 73% of the votes were in favor of the union.

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What has Volkswagen's reaction been?

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That was one of the big questions last night.

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Would Volkswagen fight this union election, this win?

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This is the only Volkswagen plant in the world without some form of worker representation,

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so working with unions is the norm.

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But at the same time, they've pushed back at past attempts to unionize this facility.

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This time around, workers say Volkswagen has been pretty neutral, and shortly after the

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count ended, workers were all opening up their phones to read this email from Volkswagen,

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noting that, yes, workers had voted to unionize and thanking workers for their vote.

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So still seemingly pretty neutral.

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But the real test is going to be seeing how negotiations go for the first contract.

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And what's next for the UAW beyond this plant there in Chattanooga?

2Speaker 2
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Well, UAW's goal is recruiting non-unionized workers, mostly in the South, and this win

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really builds a ton of momentum for that, and importantly, it's proof that it's possible

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to even do this in the South.

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Here's UAW President Sean Fain at the watch party.

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They said Southern workers aren't ready for it.

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They said non-unionized autoworkers didn't have it in them.

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But you all said, watch this!

2Speaker 2
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Next month, there's going to be another union vote at a Mercedes-Benz plant in Alabama,

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and there's lots of similarities to this plant.

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Both are large with several thousand workers, and workers I talked to at Mercedes are also

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pretty fired up.

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The UAW said well more than a majority of workers at Mercedes signed union cards and

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used similar language when describing this Volkswagen plant where, again, they won.

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How are state and local leaders reacting?

2Speaker 2
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We haven't heard much yet, but earlier this week, we had six Southern governors kind of

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send out this joint statement speaking out against the union and really sending out this

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warning message saying that they fear unionizing could cost the South jobs.

1Speaker 1
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Call State Newsroom Senior Reporter Stephen Bissaha.

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Stephen, thanks so much for being with us.

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Thank you, Scott.

1Speaker 1
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Finally today, new guidelines for companies that make melatonin.

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They call for child deterrent packaging and other safety measures.

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Melatonin is a hormone that is widely used as a sleep aid, including by children.

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In recent years, nearly 11,000 kids have visited the emergency room after taking it.

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Here to tell us more is NPR's Maria Godoy.

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Hi, Maria.

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Hi, Aisha.

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These guidelines are coming from the dietary supplement industry itself.

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Why are they acting now?

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The guidelines come from the Council for Responsible Nutrition, and that's the leading industry

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trade group for dietary supplement makers.

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Steve Mister is the group's CEO, and he told me they've had a task force working on this

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for about a year, and there are really two issues here.

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One is that the number of really young kids accidentally taking melatonin has skyrocketed

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in recent years.

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Mister says this has coincided with an increased sales.

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This is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

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There's more melatonin out there, and more kids seem to be getting into it.

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And then the other issue is that more and more kids are taking melatonin on purpose

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as a sleep aid.

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A recent study found nearly one in five school-age kids and adolescents are now using it on a

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regular basis.

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The guidelines address both of these issues.

6Speaker 6
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And when we say child deterrent packaging and other safety measures, what does that

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actually mean?

3Speaker 3
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So, first of all, they call for packaging that's harder for young kids to open.

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And it's specifically for melatonin that's sold in flavored form, so gummies and chewables

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that might be appealing to kids, especially little ones who might think it's candy or

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even vitamins.

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And the guidelines also call for labels that clearly warn that melatonin can make you drowsy

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and should only be used with adult supervision and kept out of the reach of children.

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And it's only meant for occasional use, which is a point a lot of pediatricians have

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been making.

6Speaker 6
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So what is the concern about using melatonin regularly in kids?

3Speaker 3
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Well, so for one thing, there's just not a lot of research on melatonin use in children,

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especially not long term, and especially with the youngest kids.

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So there really is no guidelines for dosing, like when to give it or how much.

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It's possible for kids to take too much, which can lead to severe headaches, stomach

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pains, dizziness, and extreme drowsiness.

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There's also concerns about how much melatonin is in a given supplement.

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Some studies have found that some supplements contained much more melatonin than what was

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listed on the label, although the industry disputes those findings.

6Speaker 6
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Well, given these concerns, what should parents do if they can't get their kids to sleep?

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Should they not use melatonin at all?

3Speaker 3
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So every pediatrician I've talked to recommends focusing on sleep hygiene first, so turning

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off screens at least an hour before bedtime, using blackout shades and noise cancelling

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machines or earplugs, that kind of thing.

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Dr. Nia Hurd-Garris with Northwestern University and Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago

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says parents should definitely talk to their kids' pediatricians before giving them melatonin,

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especially if they're considering using it in the youngest kids, like preschoolers, because

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again, it's easy to give them too much.

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And even in older kids, she says melatonin use should be just very occasional.

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You tell me that you're using it three times a week and I'm like, that's more than I want

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you to be using it.

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What's going on?

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If it's once a year, you know, once every four or five months, maybe that's less of

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a red flag.

3Speaker 3
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And if you are going to use it, look for the lowest dose possible.

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Don't give it for more than three days at a time and look for a product that is tested

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by a third party like NSF or U.S. Pharmacopeia so that you've got some guarantee of what's

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in it.

6Speaker 6
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NPR's Maria Godoy, thanks so much, Maria.

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My pleasure.

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