NH Republican Primary Showdown; The State of Global Democracy in 2024

2024-01-20 00:19:44

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Nikki Haley hopes to trounce her former boss in the New Hampshire primary.

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But last night, Senator Tim Scott endorsed former President Trump.

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Could that South Carolinian end up on the GOP ticket?

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I'm Aisha Roscoe.

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Despite two impeachments and multiple charges over his attempts to stay in power

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after losing the 2020 election, Trump continues to shore up his support among the GOP.

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And the world is watching.

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The dysfunction of American democracy has really given

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anti-democratic forces a lifeline.

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How so?

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Dozens of countries hold elections this year with billions of voters.

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Our correspondents explain what's at stake in some key regions

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as we take a step back to consider the state of global democracy.

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At a rally last night in Concord, New Hampshire.

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He's a senator from South Carolina.

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He's a fantastic man.

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Tim Scott.

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South Carolina Senator Tim Scott, a former Republican candidate for president,

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officially endorsed.

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Former President Donald Trump.

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Trump wants to finish off his competitors in New Hampshire,

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namely Nikki Haley.

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He's leading in the polls, but she is closing in on him there.

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Last night's endorsement of Trump is already fueling speculation

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that Tim Scott might become Trump's choice for running mate.

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NPR's Franco Ordonez is covering the campaign and joins us now.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, Aisha.

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So Franco, break this down for us.

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Why is Tim Scott's endorsement so significant?

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I mean, really, for so many reasons.

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You mentioned one, him potentially being a running mate.

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You know, he dropped his own bid for the White House in November.

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At the time, he said he had no plans to endorse a candidate.

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Trump was courting him.

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Haley was courting him.

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So was DeSantis, a source told me.

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I mean, Scott is popular.

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He's influential.

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And he's the only black Republican in the Senate.

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You see, we need a president who doesn't see black or white.

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We see a president who sees Americans as one American family.

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We need Trump, Trump.

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Aisha, this is really a big blow to Nikki Haley.

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Nikki Haley appointed Scott to the Senate when she was governor of South Carolina.

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And Scott also enjoys more support in their shared homestay,

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which is an important one in the primary calendar.

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It's really a big win for Trump.

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And I'll just note one more little thing that Elise Stefanik of New York,

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she was also in New Hampshire yesterday, kind of warming up the crowd.

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She's also in the running as potential running mate for Trump.

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You know, speaking of Haley, she's still behind Trump in the polls,

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but she has her best prospects for a win in New Hampshire.

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Why is that?

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Well, because for one, you know, Republicans in New Hampshire are generally more moderate.

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They're more traditional, fiscally conscious.

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But perhaps a bigger reason is those independent voters who

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here can pick what party's primary they want to vote in.

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And they're expected to vote in the Republican primary because that's where the action is.

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Plus, it is the first in the nation primary,

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and they really don't kid around about that in New Hampshire.

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Here's how the state's former attorney general, Tom Rath, explained it to me.

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We understand that our vote in this primary is probably our most significant political possession.

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And we take our role very, very serious.

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Haley's trailing Trump by over 10 points in the polls.

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But again, it's hard to predict how many of those

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independent voters are going to show up on Tuesday.

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You've only really talked about Trump and Haley,

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but I mean, isn't there somebody else in the race like DeSantis?

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Like he did beat Haley in Iowa.

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He did beat Haley in Iowa, but he's just not much of a factor in New Hampshire.

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I mean, DeSantis spent so much time in Iowa, so much energy, so much money,

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but he didn't really pay much attention to the Granite State.

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I mean, he's not even in the state this weekend.

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He's making appearances across South Carolina.

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Therefore, he's polling in the single digits in the Granite State,

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while Haley has invested so much in New Hampshire and is polling around 30%.

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I mean, this is really a two-person race now.

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She's been turning up the heat on Trump,

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something that she had been reluctant to do for much of the campaign, right?

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Yeah, I mean, her campaign is on the line here,

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and she really has to kind of turn up the heat.

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I wouldn't say that it's been red-hot, though, but her attacks have been stronger.

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You know, saying Trump's throwing a temper tantrum,

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that he's lying about her supporters.

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I mean, Ayesha, this is really the best chance for Haley to stop his campaign

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from basically running away with the nomination.

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The next two states are South Carolina and Nevada,

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where there are more Trump-style voters.

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So if someone's gonna rise from Trump's shadow, it really has to be here.

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That's NPR's Franco Odoñez.

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Thank you so much for joining us, Franco.

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Thanks, Ayesha.

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India, Indonesia, Mexico, South Africa, and of course, the United States.

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A huge swath of the globe will vote in national elections this year.

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What might these elections say about the strength or the frailty of democracy?

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We're joined by NPR correspondents from the world,

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Ada Peralta in Mexico City, Dia Hadid in Mumbai, India, and Frank Langfitt,

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NPR's global democracy correspondent who's based in Washington, D.C.

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Thank you all very much for being with us.

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Thank you, Scott.

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Great to be here, Scott.

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Frank, let's begin with a sense of the significance of this year

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and some of what you'll be alert for.

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Yeah, I think this year, as you're pointing out,

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it's the biggest one for elections that anybody can remember.

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It's at least 70 countries, billions of voters eligible.

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And it's not just the numbers, Scott, it's the context.

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This is coming when democracy has been in decline for the last 17 years.

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That's according to Freedom House, a think tank here in D.C.

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You're seeing more and more disinformation campaigns, the specter of AI.

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And I think what you hear is people are very nervous about the integrity of elections.

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And there's also a concern that parties may win democratically and then turn around

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and actually try to undermine the democratic systems

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and the checks and balances in those countries.

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So I think people are going to be watching this year incredibly closely.

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Let me turn to you now, Dia and Eder.

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How do you see these issues in the part of the world you cover?

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Well, look, I feel like the conversation in my patch

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has moved on from the mechanics of elections.

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First, because the bad guys have become super sophisticated.

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They've gotten really good at playing the democracy game,

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at rigging elections through legal maneuvers or with lots of money.

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And the U.S. and the international community have often gone along,

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said those elections were good enough.

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But people have also grown disillusioned with the democratic process

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because it hasn't fixed some of the most pressing problems in Latin America.

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And this is among the most unequal regions in the world.

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And so many countries in Latin America are facing awful insecurity.

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And I think that's when leaders like the president of El Salvador emerge.

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Nayib Bukele doesn't pretend to be a Democrat.

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He's running for re-election in February,

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despite the fact that the Constitution clearly doesn't allow re-election.

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But the latest polls show that Salvadorans don't care.

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You know, why is that?

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Because he solved, during his first term,

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he solved one of the biggest problems they had.

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He threw nearly 70,000 people in jail

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with either no legal process or an inadequate legal process.

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And that meant that Salvadorans were no longer being extorted

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and they're no longer being killed by gangs on the streets.

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So, you know, there's a saying that I keep hearing here in Central America.

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And they say, we can't eat democracy.

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And so those democratic norms that the West obsesses over

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doesn't mean much in people's regular lives.

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Dia Hadid, what about South Asia?

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It's interesting what Ada is saying.

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This is the world's most populous region.

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And it's largely on paper democratic.

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It has institutions bequeathed to it by the British who once colonized this region.

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And here we've got three giants voting or having voted this year,

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Bangladesh, Pakistan and India.

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And what we see is each country is upholding elections,

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but there's an erosion of democratic standards.

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And it kind of echoes what Ada is saying in the sense of

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the mechanics might be all right,

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but what happens in between those elections is key.

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In fact, though, if I jump to Bangladesh first,

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where there are elections in early January,

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there was a wide ranging crackdown on the opposition

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before people went out to vote.

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And in fact, citizens were treated to the specter

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of the ruling party competing against itself and obviously winning.

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In Pakistan, where critics say the military hold ultimate power,

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there's also been a crackdown on what appears to be the most popular party,

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which is led by the former Prime Minister Imran Khan.

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But elections are still happening, you see.

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I have to ask, is the US given the events of January 6, 2021

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and subsequent investigations still considered to be a

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kind of living example of democracy across the globe?

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Scott, no, I don't think so.

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People follow American politics extremely closely around the world,

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but especially in Europe, where I last reported.

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And with the majority of Republicans supporting Trump,

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a man who lied about winning the election,

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tried to overturn those legitimate results,

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that would be sort of the definition of being anti-democratic.

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And so I think people are watching this election

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very, very closely to see what happens.

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Will there be another attempt to try to overturn the results?

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Or if Americans in the end vote for Donald Trump and he wins,

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this is someone who's been pretty clear that

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there are a number of democratic norms that he wants no part of.

7Speaker 7
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Eder?

6Speaker 6
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I think it becomes even more complicated.

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I mean, the dysfunction of American democracy

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has really given anti-democratic forces a lifeline,

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but it's what's also happened after January 6.

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And I'll take you back to El Salvador,

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because El Salvador, it's a huge deal here in Latin America.

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People look at it as a model.

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And President Bukele in El Salvador consistently says,

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look at the U.S. and look how human rights groups

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and the United States criticize me for going after the opposition.

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But right now, the United States is prosecuting a former president

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and the leading presidential candidate for the Republican Party and Donald Trump.

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And so President Bukele in El Salvador uses this to claim hypocrisy.

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And it seems to carry weight with the population.

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Frank Langford, there's been a rise in populism in the United States

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and also in much of Europe.

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How does that figure into the elections this year?

2Speaker 2
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I think it's very important election really to watch,

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which Americans won't usually focus on,

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is European Union parliamentary elections.

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27 members of the EU.

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And I think the group to watch there is

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there's this group called the Identity and Democracy Group.

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It's a collection of right-wing populist parties.

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Right now, it's the sixth largest in the parliament.

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It's on track to become the third largest party.

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Some of those parties are very friendly to Vladimir Putin.

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And if they win big, there's a concern that they will

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try to push for some kind of settlement, undermine support for Ukraine.

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And I think the concern there is Putin could come out in some ways

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doing relatively well after this bungled invasion.

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And many people look at the Ukraine story as a democracy story.

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It's a sovereign nation, a democracy that was attacked

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by an authoritarian country.

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And what a lot of people in Europe absolutely don't want to see

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is that kind of behavior rewarded.

7Speaker 7
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Eder, what about populism in Central America, South America?

6Speaker 6
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So look, here in Mexico, we're having a presidential election

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and a lot of pro-democracy advocates are really worried.

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The president here, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, is a populist.

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He can't run for re-election, but he's handpicked a successor.

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And he is about to give another go right before leaving office

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to what he calls reforms to the electoral commission.

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Essentially, he wants to gut the commission.

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And in his term, Lopez Obrador has said, forget these institutions.

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The way I'm going to help the people is to take the money we spend

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on fair elections or on transparency and give it to the people.

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And his administration has actually cut checks to everyone,

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single mothers, students, the elderly.

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And right now, his handpicked successor,

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Claudia Sheinbaum, is leading in the polls by a huge margin.

7Speaker 7
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Dia, let me turn to you.

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India, the world's largest democracy,

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the most populist nation in the world.

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I feel the need for a separate question.

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What is the state of democracy and that part of democracy

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that relies on freedom of expression under Prime Minister Modi?

4Speaker 4
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Well, Scott, I've been speaking to many critics

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of the Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his style of rule,

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and yet they're unequivocal in that India remains a democracy

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and a democracy where parties contest and run for elections

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and really challenge each other at the ballot box.

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That remains strong.

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The issue is prominent critics aren't sure

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how much of India's legacy as a secular state

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with equal rights for all can survive

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under a third term of Narendra Modi.

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And that third term is almost inevitable.

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He is a wildly popular figure

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and he has certainly tapped into a yearning among many in India

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to see something of their faith and identity

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and religious practice reflected

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in the most senior person in the country.

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But I'm also meeting people

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who are on the fringes of Hindu nationalism,

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who are unhappy with Narendra Modi

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and unhappy with the BJP because they think it's too soft.

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They want a harder line against India's minorities,

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Muslims, Christians, Jews and others.

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They want to see Hindu rights being elevated

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in a more robust and aggressive way.

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And the critics that I'm speaking to just aren't sure

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how much of India's sense of equality,

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fairness before the law,

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its institutions itself are going to survive another assault

7Speaker 7
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Let me ask you all is there, what about bright spots?

6Speaker 6
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There's a glimmer of hope for democracy in my patch.

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Guatemala just inaugurated a pro-democratic reformist president

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and just before elections last summer,

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all I heard was desolation.

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Everyone thought the game was rigged.

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Everyone thought the same old people would win

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and instead democracy won.

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I know people are very despondent about democracy

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around the world these days and with good reason,

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but there are very bright spots.

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And one of the most obvious one is Taiwan.

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We just saw recently an election in which the Taiwanese

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defied the threats of mainland China

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and gave the Democratic Progressive Party

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a third straight term in the presidency.

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And of course, Taiwan is probably the next big battleground

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over democracy and sovereignty.

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I'm not a cynic and this goes beyond covering South Asia.

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I covered the Arab Spring and I saw people demand the right

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to decide their own leaders with their bodies.

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People who are denied democracy and then given it

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really don't take it for granted.

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It's often the reverse.

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I'm always struck by the apathy of people

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who come from democratic countries

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who don't quite understand what other people are fighting for.

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We want to thank all of you,

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Eder Peralta in Mexico City,

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Dia Hadid in Mumbai,

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Frank Langford,

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Tenpears Global Democracy Correspondent.

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Thanks so much.

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Thanks for doing it, Scott.

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Thank you, Scott.

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You're welcome, Scott.

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And that's up first for Saturday, January 20th, 2024.

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I'm Aisha Roscoe.

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And I'm Scott Simon.

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And Jim Kane is our deputy managing editor.

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Tomorrow on Up First,

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but rarely do they lead to apologies.

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Now, more patients, families, and even doctors

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are calling for a new approach that acknowledges the harms

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that come from failing to address medical mistakes.

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You should.

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And if you do, good job.

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Yes.

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On the TED Radio Hour, MIT psychologist Sherry Turkle.

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Her latest research into the intimate relationships

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people are having with chatbots.

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Technologies that say, I care about you.

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I love you.

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I'm here for you.

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Take care of me.

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That's on the TED Radio Hour from NPR.

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