The View From Iran, House Foreign Aid Bills, Supreme Court's Jan. 6 Case

2024-04-16 00:13:08

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Iran is calling its airstrikes on Israel a huge success, even though nearly all their

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missiles and drones were shot down.

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World leaders, including President Biden, want Israel to show restraint to this direct

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attack on Israeli territory.

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I'm Yami Martinez.

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That's Michelle Martin.

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And this is Up First from NPR News.

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It looks like House Speaker Mike Johnson could finally bring foreign aid for Ukraine and

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Israel up for a vote.

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Well, make that four votes.

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He says the U.S. must respond to terrorists and tyrants.

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They're watching to see if America will stand up for its allies and our own interests around

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the globe.

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And we will.

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Why is the speaker proposing four bills instead of one?

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And a January 6th case goes to the Supreme Court.

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It's about a law used to charge hundreds of defendants who invaded the Capitol, as well

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as Donald Trump.

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Stay with us.

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World leaders are calling on Israel to show restraint after Iran's unprecedented, but

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largely ineffective, airstrikes over the weekend.

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They are wary of these attacks spiraling into a broader regional conflict.

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National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby emphasized that Iran intended to cause

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quote significant destruction and casualties.

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Iranian leaders launched so many missiles and other munitions because they knew that

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many were going to be defeated.

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But the aim was to get as many of them through Israel's defenses as possible.

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And Israel's military chief of staff says a response will be coming, but didn't say

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when or how.

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NPR's Peter Kenyon is following developments from Istanbul.

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Good morning, Peter.

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Hello.

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So, Peter, Israel and the United States have made a point of letting the world know that

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their forces, along with some others, shot down 99 percent of Iran's missiles and drones.

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So what are the Iranians saying about this?

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Well, perhaps a bit surprisingly, given the failure of the Iranian attack to cause really

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significant damage, officials in Tehran from the president on down have been lavish with

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their praise for the operation.

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They're calling it a huge success.

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President Ebrahim Raisi said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC, had taught a lesson

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to the Zionist entity.

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That's how Iran sometimes refers to Israel.

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And Erna, the state news agency, quoted an Iranian lawmaker, Mujtaba Zanuri, as saying

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the IRGC's punitive operation was a victory and a cause of pride for the people as it

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humiliated the Israeli regime.

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OK, so we're calling this unprecedented because this was a direct attack on Israeli territory.

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Why did Iran feel it had to respond in such a dramatic manner?

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Well, Iran has long been committed to responding to any attacks against it, but usually it

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does so through its proxies in the region.

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After this airstrike on its consulate building in Damascus, which Iran blames on Israel,

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Tehran condemned what it called a major violation of international law.

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Iran also may have recalled the U.S. assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani in Baghdad

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in 2020, perhaps seeing a need for a show of strength to try and deter future strikes.

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Now, Iranian officials weren't alone in protesting the Damascus strike.

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The UN secretary-general, Antonio Guterres, strongly condemned the attack.

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He called for an immediate cessation of hostilities and added that neither the region nor the

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world can afford another war.

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So let me go back to that strike.

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Has Israel taken credit for it, and how has Israel justified it?

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Well, Israel said the strike took out a key IRGC general who had played an important role

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in getting weapons to Iran's proxy militia, Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has been exchanging

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fire with Israel in the north.

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So that was their explanation.

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So the U.S. and other countries are urging Israel not to respond.

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They're also looking at sanctions on Iran, which is already under a sanctions regime.

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So, Peter, do we have any sense of how effective further sanctions would actually be?

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Well, good question.

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Western countries have been levying sanctions on Iran for many years now.

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They do cause economic pain among ordinary Iranians, primarily.

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Whether they change Tehran's behavior is another question.

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And before we let you go, Peter, how are other countries viewing Iran after the attack?

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Well, Iran finds itself diplomatically isolated, even among countries that are not necessarily

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friendly with Israel.

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Russia does still support Tehran.

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That's very important to Iran.

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Moscow has a veto at the U.N. Security Council, for one thing.

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And China has generally followed Russia's lead when it comes to Iran.

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But in the region, many of Iran's neighbors have no love for the Islamic Republic or its

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proxy militias, Hezbollah in Lebanon, or the Houthis in Yemen.

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Now, Jordan, for instance, helped shoot down some of the Iranian drones and missiles Iran

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fired at Israel Sunday.

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Saudi Arabia is another important U.S. ally.

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And we should note that Hamas was badly hurt by the Israeli attack in the Gaza Strip.

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So that reduces Iran's ability to cause damage.

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That is NPR's Peter Kenyon in Istanbul.

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Peter, thank you.

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Thanks, Michelle.

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Meanwhile in Washington, D.C., House Speaker Mike Johnson is signaling that he is ready

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to move forward with aid for Israel and Ukraine.

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Divisions, though, among House Republicans have stalled the foreign aid package for months,

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even though it's already passed the Senate.

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But following Iran's attack on Israel over the weekend, there's increased pressure on

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Congress to act.

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So here to tell us more about all this is NPR Congressional Correspondent Deirdre Walsh.

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Deirdre, good morning to you.

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Good morning, Michelle.

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So how is the Speaker hoping to finally get this foreign aid package through the House?

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Well, he's not allowing a vote on the Senate package.

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Instead, he came up with a way to get around his own party's internal politics.

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Instead of one vote on that $95 billion package, the Speaker is breaking it up into four separate

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pieces, aid to Israel, aid to Ukraine, security assistance for Taiwan, and another piece that

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wasn't in the Senate package, a national security bill that is going to include several proposals,

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including a bill the House already passed to force the sale of TikTok or face a ban

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in the U.S.

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The Speaker said addressing all of these issues was a priority for him.

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We have terrorists and tyrants and terrible leaders around the world like Putin and Xi

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and Iran, and they're watching to see if America will stand up for its allies and our own interests

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around the globe.

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And we will.

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So why do it this way?

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Well, Johnson is trying to thread the needle.

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House Republicans are really united on approving additional aid for Israel.

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But on the issue of Ukraine, they're really split down the middle.

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Conservatives strongly oppose any more money for Ukraine.

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The Speaker argued splitting these issues up allows each member to vote on each topic

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separately and vote their conscience.

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Does he still face the threat of losing his job if he moves forward with these four bills,

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however they're packaged, just as the former Speaker Kevin McCarthy was removed with just

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a handful of votes from conservatives?

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He does.

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That threat is still out there from Georgia Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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She's one of the biggest opponents for approving any more aid for Ukraine.

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She's already introduced a resolution to oust the Speaker over this issue and others.

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She hasn't said whether she's going to force that vote.

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The Speaker really downplayed that factor last night, said he's not thinking about it.

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The bills are expected to be released later today, and the Speaker said he's aiming to

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have a House vote on these measures potentially by Friday night.

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Does this mean that the Ukraine aid, which is, I guess, the truly controversial part

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of all this, might actually pass after all these months?

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You know, it's unclear if this strategy is going to work.

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The Speaker has a really narrow majority.

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He admitted last night that Ukraine is the most controversial piece of this.

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He also said they're structuring the assistance Ukraine has alone as opposed to straight aid

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in the Senate bill.

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That's something that former President Trump has pushed.

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There's also a risk to doing it this way.

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It's unclear if it passes, if it will move as one package or as individual pieces to

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the Senate.

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And there's some changes to what the Senate approved back in February.

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So if it gets through the House, the Senate is going to have to vote again on it.

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Okay, so before we let you go, the attacks on Israel over the weekend kind of scrambled

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the House schedule.

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But there is still another issue on the House's to-do list, sending articles of impeachment

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against the Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas to the Senate.

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What can you tell us about that?

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What's the plan there?

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Well, the 11 House impeachment managers are going to deliver the articles to the Senate

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this afternoon.

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That starts the process for a trial in the Senate.

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All 100 senators will be sworn in as jurors on Wednesday.

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But Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is expected to move to dismiss or table these

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charges against Mayorkas.

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He just needs a simple majority to do that.

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He's expected to get that.

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That vote is also expected to happen on Wednesday.

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That effectively would end the trial.

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That is NPR's Deirdre Wall.

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Deirdre, thank you.

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Thanks, Michelle.

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The U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments today in a January 6th case that asks the question,

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how does one specific federal law define the obstruction of a congressional proceeding?

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That law has been used to prosecute hundreds of defendants charged with invading the Capitol

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that day.

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And the outcome of this case could also affect Donald Trump because the same law is also

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being used to charge him.

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Let's bring out NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg.

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Nina, we're now three years into the prosecutions of January 6th defendants.

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More than 800 people have pleaded guilty so far.

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Nearly 200 more have been convicted on some or all charges.

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So how and why is this case at the Supreme Court now?

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Well, because 353 of those people were charged with, among other things, obstructing or attempting

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to obstruct or impede a congressional proceeding.

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Namely, here, the counting of electoral ballots for president.

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All but one of the judges in the District of Columbia where these cases are litigated

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upheld the use of the charge.

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But one judge dismissed it in the case of Joseph Fisher, a former police officer, arrested

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for his actions inside the Capitol.

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The judge in Fisher's case ruled that the statute was meant to apply to the destruction

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of documents and records, not events like the invasion of the Capitol on January 6th.

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So what did Fisher do?

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The government says that on the cell phone video he took of himself, Fisher can be heard

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yelling charge right before he's seen in the scrum with police.

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And there are incriminating texts in which Fisher wrote things like, take Democratic

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Congress to the gallows, can't vote if they can't breathe, LOL.

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But none of that, A, is actually at issue in the arguments today.

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The question today is whether the statute that Fisher was charged with violating was

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meant to apply only to the destruction of documents and records and other evidence needed

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in a congressional proceeding, or whether the statute was meant to have a much broader

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reach covering any attempt to obstruct a congressional proceeding, including the counting of electoral

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votes.

5Speaker 5
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So what exactly are Fisher's lawyers arguing?

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They say that when Congress enacted the statute after the 2001 Enron scandal, its limited

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purpose was to make clear that shredding or altering documents or records is a crime,

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no more.

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They note that this is the most serious charge against Fisher, with a maximum penalty of

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20 years in prison, and that it allows prosecutors to use it as leverage in plea negotiations.

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That said, typically first offenders have been sentenced to between one and four years

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under the statute.

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Okay, prosecutors, what do they say?

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They contend that while the first section of the statute does apply to the destruction

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of documentary evidence, the second part of the statute makes it a crime to, quote, otherwise

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obstruct or impede any official congressional proceeding or attempt to do so.

5Speaker 5
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All right, so I take it then that for prosecutors, an adverse decision could have some pretty

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serious repercussions.

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It would halt ongoing cases under the statute.

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All those already sentenced would have to be resentenced, with many defendants facing

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far less in the way of penalties.

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In fact, pending a Supreme Court decision in this case, some lower court judges have

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conditionally ordered early release from prison for some January 6th defendants.

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All right, that's NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg.

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Nina, thanks.

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Thank you, Ray.

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And that's Up First for Tuesday, April 16th.

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