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On today's show, grab your Xanax and say your prayers, because we are just days away from one of the biggest moments of the 2024 campaign. We'll get into how Joe Biden and Donald Trump are thinking about the first presidential debate, which, for the convicted felon candidate, includes publicly accusing his opponent of drug use and murder while polling his supporters on whether he should be nice at the debate. It's also the second anniversary of the Dobbs decision, and we'll talk about how President Biden and Democrats are launching a big push to make sure everyone knows what's at stake. But first, we are here in New York again at the Sirius XM studios. again because it's book launch week and as of right now, right now, right now, you can finally get a copy of Democracy or Else How to Save America in 10 easy steps.

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Fauci, sitting up there at the top of the charts.

Honestly. That guy.

Yeah.

He's got it coming. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you like, did you like the pandemic? Yeah.

No mask.

No mask in the picture.

No mask in the picture. What kind of message, Fauci?

Did you see him throw that ball out at the Nationals game, at the baseball game, when he threw that first pitch? Oh my gosh. Terrible.

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Anyway, I'm glad that you're going to bring out the, uh, you know, the Wuhan thing, right?

He did.

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I did an interview about the book where someone said he appreciated that it was short and also appreciated that the font was large.

Such a high school paper.

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If I took this shirt off, you'd see a beautiful, beautiful person, but you'd see wounds all over, all over me. I've taken a lot of wounds. I can tell you more than I suspect any president ever who likes the 10 commandments, by the way, going up in the school, they think it's such a bad thing. I said, has anyone read the, thou shalt, not steal, thou shalt, I mean, has anybody read this incredible stuff? It's just incredible.

You guys realize there's a nonzero chance. He just read the 10 commandments before that, before that event. This is some great stuff. Have you seen this?

I also think that he could. only, I actually think he didn't read any of them. I think he could realize that the only other one he could remember is thou shalt not commit adultery. And so he's like, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not, yeah, he's really gone.

He's really gone. offer on those. He's of course talking about the 10 commandments, because the governor of Louisiana just signed a law requiring every public school to display them in the classroom, which is something the Supreme Court said was unconstitutional when Kentucky tried it back in 1980.. But, of course, new Supreme Court, new state trying it. So who knows?

I do think it's worth pointing out that five presidents were shot while in office.

That's a good point.

So they probably had it worse and more wounds.

A horse fell on top of Ulysses S. Grant. I'm reading his personal memoirs, I'm reading, I'm reading, I'm reading, I'm reading his memoir.

He's been talking about it nonstop. all, I feel like I know the whole book.

Hey, listen, Ulysses S. Grant, great writer, huge fan.

Also 10 commandments is a lot like our book, where it could have been nine chapters. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So the two of them are about coveting and then acting on the coveted. Right. Right.

Don't commit adultery, but also don't lust after your neighbor's wife, which everyone's.

broken that one. Redundant. I hear.

Who lives down the block?

What are we talking about? Anyway, what do you guys, what do you guys think about the panderer? What does he do? What does he do with the faith and freedom conference in DC? Do you think they booked that in advance?

Well, he says at the top of it that they tried to cancel it, but I told him, you know, I'm too afraid to not go to the faith and freedom conference. So they moved it to during the day so he could do the rally at night.

Is he afraid he might go to hell?

Yeah. Or yeah, I think so. I think so. But I, I just view it as he's gone every year, because I think that we forget, because it feels like another era. But at the beginning, these are the people that went with Ted Cruz.

At the end of the day, I think every campaign he's run is just a base turnout election. And I think that there was a 2021 Pew poll about kind of like religion and public life. And in that poll, 54% said the federal government should enforce the separation of church and state. And you would imagine that putting the 10 commandments in public schools under cut set, but you know, that they, 30% want public school teachers to be allowed to lead students in Christian prayers. 46 do not.

Yeah. No, I think that's right. I think that the vulnerability for Trump and the general election is this Christian nationalist project 2025 stuff. I think people are, even some people who've probably voted for him in the past, are a little creeped out by some of the Mike Johnson, a wing of the party, the Mike Johnson wing of the party. And, you know, I do think the country is more religious than some liberals might believe, but I don't think people want the 10 commandments in your, uh, in your kid's school.

Well, there's a funny moment in this, in, at the faith and freedom summit, where he says, uh, you may got you, you, you like, he's getting tons of applause. They're loving every second of it. And then he goes, now this crowd may not care as much about this, but they're also going out to Catholics. And it was a little bit of a, it's like, Hey man, long history there. Yeah.

He's not up to speed on the Huguenots. Yeah.

The, uh, the Huguenots, I was just in North Carolina for a couple of days and I was with a few different local candidates. and abortion is a huge issue. The extremism, the Republicans on democracy is a huge issue. But the other really big issue that a lot of these candidates were talking about was the Republican legislature taking money from public schools and giving them to private and religious schools. And it's just a really big issue down there.

school that has a vaccine mandate or a mask mandate. And I will shut down the federal department of education and we will move everything back to the States. And you know what we'll do? We'll give them about half the money that we send them now. And for half the money, they'll have a lot of money left over.

Look, I know we're a nerd to Trump. That has to be one of the most unpopular things a mainstream candidate has said in a very long time. We're going to have education funding. You put that, we're going to get rid of all vaccine mandates. It's for that's, that's measles and mumps.

Let me tell you what happened there at camp David, where Joe Biden is prepping debate. I can imagine. I will bet you that someone saw that tweet that Trump just said that maybe our, maybe our pal Ben LeBolt and, and, and alerted Mike Donilon and Ron Klain and everyone else, and Anita Dunn, everyone else at debate prep. And they instantly said, this has to be a moment at the debate. because you're right.

You put that, so those are two, I mean, honestly, those are two ads. You do the vaccine ads, by the way, side by side with outbreaks of preventable childhood illnesses. We've seen them in Florida. We've seen them elsewhere because of this anti-vax fervor. That's one thing.

So yeah, one of the things that overshadowed that comment was Trump continuing to accuse Biden of taking debate performance enhancing drugs. His surrogates are getting in on the game too. Dr. Ronny Jackson, congressman from Texas, is apparently sending a letter to the White House demanding a drug test before the debate. Ooh, a letter.

I had one pitch. I had one pitch. And here's a, here's, here's, here's my pitch. You know, Donald, I am on a performance enhancing drug and I'll tell you right now what it is. Right before I come out on stage, Jill and I find a very private place where no one can see, and she tells me she loves me.

Which you and I both know so well, that's funny.

Just hit him. Just like, cause. you know, look, I've had, I've had the love of my life by my side at every debate, every big decision, and that, and that kind of love, you know it, Donald.

I think you should just say, yeah, I am. What's it to you, narc?

What are the ethics of PEDs?

What are we doing here?

Are we debating Barry Bonds being in the hall of fame? What are we even talking about? Yeah.

It's none of your business, Donald. You take your own shit.

Take whatever you need.

Now we're dodging. Now we're dodging the question. I hope he does get a fucking shot. I hope they give him whatever they give Secretariat. I do too.

Yeah, I don't care. Take whatever you need.

Whatever you need to do, buddy.

It's actually very controversial to say that Secretariat was using performance enhancing drugs.

Well, I think all of the horses were at that time. They all were on a certain kind of steroids, but everyone's like, wow, when he died, his heart was four times the size of a normal horse's heart. It's like, why do you think that happened?

Because he loved too deeply.

Yes, that's right.

Anyway, Dr. Rani, keep sending your fucking letters, dude.

And I said, Dana, I have an idea. Why don't you set up a migrant league of fighters and have your regular league of fighters, and then you have the champion of your league. These are the greatest fighters in the world. Fight the champion of the migrants. I think the migrant guy might win.

That's true. That's true. He's had worse ideas.

Give me your huddled masses and I will put them in a cage fighting league as public spectacle.

We're just doing gladiators, right?

That's just gladiators.

Gladiators.

It's just gladiators.

Gladiators 2 is coming out soon. This could be some sort of sponsored content opportunity.

I mean, on brand for the xenophobic game show host, I guess, right?

Yeah, he's just, you know, he's finding a silly way to say that there are superhuman monsters. Dehumanize. Yeah.

These beasts. He likes to dehumanize people who aren't American. That's his shtick.

It's always interesting when you road test these lines for the first time and you can hear the audience being like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. They're kind of like offended by that. Not offended, but they're shocked by it at least.

Well, I'm not surprised that Dana White didn't think it was a good idea. And he's no lib.

No, he is not.

He is not. So Trump's talking a lot about migrants in the run up to the debate, and he's been hinting at how he might attack Biden on the issue Thursday night. Spoiler. He's not going to challenge him to the migrant league. But Greg Sargent over at the New Republic wrote a piece about how Trump posted the news of the gruesome murder of a girl in Texas, allegedly by two men with records of violating immigration law, called it, quote, a new Biden migrant killing and said, quote, I look forward to seeing him at the fake debate on Thursday.

I mean, it's a continuation of what he's been doing. I mean, remember, back around the State of the Union, Republicans are very focused on the murder of a woman named Lakin Riley in Georgia, who was allegedly killed by someone who was in the U.S. illegally. So I'm not at all surprised to do this. I mean, the challenge here for Biden is stories like the ones he's trying to tell that are kind of lurid and, you know, specific and emotional, are powerful and memorable.

Yeah. Love it. How do you think Biden should respond? Yeah.

So here's sort of how I sort of respond to it. And, you know, there was a... Greg Sargent wrote a piece and he asked James Carville, he asked Dan Pfeiffer, he asked you, John. Me. You, John, are in that piece.

You brought this to my attention.

I feel like there was, you know, I think there's a few different points to make, but I think it is worth saying some version of these are horrible crimes. And some of these folks have been in and out of the country for years, even while you were president. And we have to solve this problem. And I got a group of people together to solve it. Democrats and Republicans.

Well, the other thing is, I think that's all right. And then Trump's going to... Fox News and the right wing media have been linking these murders also to Joe Biden's new policy that he announced last week that we talked about, where he is granting a pathway to citizenship for two spouses, undocumented spouses of American citizens who've been here for 10 years. And they're somehow saying that that's going to cause more migrant murders, which is fucking preposterous. And so, you know, if you're Biden, you say, look, my, my plan is about keeping families together who've been here for years, who are law abiding citizens, and their undocumented spouses and children.

Yeah. I think there's a simple way to say to like, there was a crisis at the border the day I walked into office. There's a crisis on the border on day one. This is because you didn't solve it. You talked about it.

You're using the in a typical disgusting manner. You are using these murders to make a political point about the border, because you don't really care about the border. You don't really care about immigration. You just care about the politics. You think it wins.

The second I saw it, I didn't I. the second I saw that Trump had said this, I didn't look at an article before I even saw any news about it. I was like, he talked to a rich person, talked to a rich person who's a Silicon Valley type person who says this kind of thing. And he just repeated it because he was talking to other people that he thought might like it. And so then the campaign had to walk.

Yeah, this is part of a little sales pitch that he gives to get money from naive idiots in the business world or in Silicon Valley, by the way, and he found a few at the online.

podcast. He sure did.

He found a whole bunch. And, by the way, he's absolutely never going to go through with this proposal. if elected. His entire base wants to limit immigration. There's no way.

Well, how do we know he won't? Because he was president for four years, didn't do it, didn't want to do it, opposed it.

But this is part of this broader wish list, which is like tax cuts. Now he's flip flopped on cryptocurrency. Now he's the crypto guy. He's going to cut regulations. But yeah, these Silicon Valley types are basically desperate for software engineers to come into the country.

I also think this is another, the details of the actual issue aside, it is a signal to a certain class of like, kind of, they think they're non-ideological. They think they're apolitical, but they're kind of like anti-woke, rich people who just think the left has gone crazy. And this is a permission structure to say, see, he's not, yeah, he says this stuff, but look, look, he'll do H-1B visas. He's okay. It's not so scary.

It's also for the shrinking, almost non-existent, Wall Street Journal editorial reading section of the Republican party. That's almost gone. now. Like, see, I'm going to be a little, you know, even though, again, the reason this policy is not real because, you know, Barack Obama proposed it, Hillary Clinton proposed in 2016 is because you just can't find enough Republicans in Congress to go along with. it.

Yeah. I mean, you have this sort of interesting thing that came away from that long, terrible interview was. Trump is clearly doing debate prep, but lying and saying he's not, because.

he's like, I don't need debate prep. I don't do it.

Why would I even bother? And he's like, I was reviewing a video of Joe Biden debating Paul Ryan. You're like, ah, that sounds like homework, sir.

That was very funny, by the way, when he was like, they're like, what do you, the Allen hosts were like, give us debate predictions. And he's like, well, people keep saying Joe Biden's, you know, not great, but he, I watched him debate Paul Ryan. He demolished Paul Ryan. And it's like, you also watched him debate someone else, you, though, maybe you don't remember, because you were like, so fucked up from COVID, when you were like, just spraying everyone in the debate room with your germs. and the first debate, you did debate, Donald, you did debate Joe Biden twice.

Yeah. I rewatched the first debate on the flight last night. You did?

Why?

That's cool. Way better than I remember. I had a great time. Now he does look so beet red. He looks like he's like in a sauna.

Can you give us some highlights? What was your favorite part of that?

What was my favorite?

What was your least favorite part?

Let me pull up my notes. Okay. One really important thing. I mean, we'll get to this in the abortion section, but Biden says abortion is on the ballot and Trump's like, abortion's not on the ballot. How do you know that?

Yeah. I hope so. That's good. Trump. apparently, when he was in Philly, talked to a reporter and said that he has picked the VP.

Interesting. Interesting. Yeah.

I mean, or maybe he's just lying, which he always does anyway.

Right. If he doesn't care that they feel uncomfortable or that it's weird, he just wants them to come and be there and to see who comes.

So it's the apprentice.

It would be funny to make them all share, like a hold room or, Oh, even a hotel room, put.

them all in the same suite and there's a, and there's a camera there. Yeah.

Yeah. And Burgum's like, uh, Marco, can you pass the Diet Cokes? Something like that.

I like that. Uh, one. Sure. Why not?

Yeah. That, that, that, that, that kind of like, that kind of back and forth.

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

Like, um, can I, I'm going to know you. Okay.

JD, can you pass the Daily Stormer? No. No. Okay.

Marco, Marco.

Turn up the toilet paper next time.

Marco, you guys mind. If I put on white noise and he presses it, it's just screens. I can't fall asleep without something really to distract me.

Uh, one other thing of note Trump mentioned over the weekend. He talked about the third party candidates on the ballot and praise two of them in particular. Here's a clip.

Cornel West, he's one of my favorite candidates. Cornel West. And I like, I like her also, Jill Stein. I like her very much. You know why she takes a hundred percent from them.

He takes a hundred percent. Just just reading the stage directions right there. By the way, this happened to be the same day that Cornel West announced that he's collected enough signatures to appear on the ballot in Michigan. Yikes, you guys think Trump's own words here could be an effective argument to third party voters. I know we've talked a lot about you know, telling someone who's thinking about voting third party, Hey, you're just gonna elect Trump is not always effective.

I think it's I really like it. I think it's a good thing to get out there. You know, look, this thing potentially come down to so few votes, and I do think that there's, you know, That subset of people that, when they're told that they're voting for Trump, have a kind of obstinate and like. well, You know, I didn't choose these candidates and you know, you, Biden, has to persuade me all the kind of stuff You'll hear from the kind of Group of people that are most amenable to someone like a Cornel West, and I think having Trump to say it directly is pretty hard.

To argue it. Oh, how worried are you about Cornel West? I'm quite, quite.

He's on the ballot in Michigan, and then there's a bunch of Republican operatives who have been working to get signatures to get him on The ballot in North Carolina. So we're North Carolina to become like a real swing state. It could be a challenge there, too. I mean, I think, for anyone who has like third party curious people in their lives. I do think when you're trying to dissuade them from that vote, You have to be careful not to just immediately go to shouting at them and saying you're just voting for Donald Trump, because a lot Of these third party voters are what they call double haters, which is they really dislike either candidate and they're thinking about staying home or third party, or, If you just sort of like, if you're only appeal to them, is you might elect Donald Trump.

Maybe that will feel insulting to them. I was just gonna say it is, that's what it feels like. Trump is insulting them And that might piss them off when you. I've been listening to focus groups of these third party voters And there are some who are like, honestly, it's just, it's a moral thing. I can't look at myself in the mirror.

Yeah, I also. I think there's people out there that say, like I, You know you, every four years you come to me and you say vote for the lesser of two evils, vote for the less of Two evils, and I don't want to do it anymore. I just can't do it anymore. And I do think that there is an argument to be made to that kind of person in this moment, that is about putting a vote for Joe Biden in the broader context of building power and How, as much as this may not be the candidate you wanted, a vote for Joe Biden helps you? to be in a position to like Make the change inside of the Democratic Party in a bigger way over the next several years, and that we that.

President, is a world where it's not, and you can just go to a couple core issues like hey, Have you noticed that it's the hottest year on record every year. Do you believe climate change is real? Okay Well, one person did something about climate change, which is Joe Biden. the other doesn't believe it's man-made. the other things, It's cool because it'll mean more beachfront property, is right.

I had a friend tell me who's like very unhappy with Joe Biden and Bennett protests over Gaza, to say like, you know What you're protesting, Joe Biden right now, voting for Joe Biden gives you the opportunity to keep protesting.

You saw roads in New York.

The chance to keep protesting there. it is Whatever it takes, guys, whatever it takes. We haven't heard a lot from Biden lately because he's been holed up in debate prep at Camp David, But campaign aides did talk to the New York Times for a piece about how the sides are preparing And what they hope to get out of it. one thing I thought was pretty interesting in the piece is that the campaign doesn't think the debate, even if it goes very well, is Going to immediately change things in terms of polling, but that it will be, as the piece says, quote, the starting bell for the general Election. What do you guys think?

I feel like both and great, as I know that does make sense to me. and like why does it make sense to me? and I think it's in part because One thing we've we've talked about is right that these Senate candidates, Like a Bob Casey or a room in Geico, are running a little bit ahead of Biden. Like, are those people that are right now saying they're either Geico, Trump or guy I go undecided. Is that real?

I asked chat GPT to make up some Trump style nicknames for the moderators that I'd like to read, you know.

Oh, okay. Wow, so he just he just didn't want to.

I mean, I thought about this Dan last week too. I think four months is a lifetime in politics. We memory hole literally everything, so they can of course come back from.

Something that's not good. I think you can come back for an insurrection. You can come back from a.

moment there is. I think, though, like Dark Dan argued, that I mean I agree with dance point, which is like I do think that Joe Biden's age is a threshold question for a lot of voters, and what they want to see Thursday night is something that gives them confidence in his ability to do the job for another four years. I think they feel like the State of the Union was one of those moments where he looked like sharp and on it And was punchy and giving it back to the Republicans when they're heckling him, And so hopefully we'll see a similar version of Joe Biden. now, like he will likely stutter, He will likely mumble through an answer. There'll be moments where all will cringe.

I don't care if Joe Biden forgets his name and falls off the stage still voting for him over Donald Trump. That's where it's coming. I mean, it's just like well sure, and at some point they are, but we lose our credibility.

I.

Disagree, but I think with it at the core of what the Biden campaign is trying to do here and all of their spin that Is not quite like that. but is. it's like they are trying to get the focus on Donald Trump right and the threat that Donald Trump poses. and I think what probably frustrates that campaign to no end. and you're right, It is a threshold.

That kind of points to what a what. a good outcome versus a bad outcome of the debate isn't. a good outcome of the debate is a debate in which Donald Trump is saying Joe Biden's on drugs and the conversation is about how extreme and It's a dangerous. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think what you're getting at is the fact that debates are stupid and irrelevant and have no bearing on the job of President. Mmm, right, I mean obviously, like this sort of, These two individuals are completely different and one has a set of policy views that would be good for the country, and one is a disaster. But for some reason we've decided that two old men standing at a podium yelling each other for 90 minutes Gives us some sort of insight.

Well, and unfortunately, it's. it is valuable and relevant just for the reason that you just mentioned, which is we memory hole everything. So just to refresh everyone's memory about who these two men are and what they stand for, is it's probably important.

I'm just gonna spare both of you the fact that the reason I think we have debates as an important form for making political Decisions you listen to this grant is masculinity. Sure, that's cool. Yeah.

Jake a lot of time on Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Jake flapper, Uh-huh, tap dance. Jake. Uh-huh. Jabbering, Jake. These are chat GPT, not me.

I don't think Trump's fake tapper is probably the yeah fake tappers just in there.

Dana the scoop bash.

You know, if chat GPT can't beat out Trump on a nickname for Jake tapper, then I'm not as worried about artificial intelligence.

Yeah, I do believe Donald Trump has technically passed the Turing test.

Tappy, McFlappy. It's the latest. Okay, you know, that's, that's fine. Now. We're just sort of bash.

We're gonna move on, you know, anyway.

Donald Trump, he ran on a platform of overturning Roe v. Wade and, As president, promised to appoint Supreme Court justices that would do that. They did that, and now these rights are being taken away. This is how it works, that elections matter that who's president, who's in the Senate dictates Who's on the Supreme Court, and has such a massive impact on your lives?

And not on every door. we're going to organize phone banks and register voters.

You might have recognized that first voice was vice president Kamala Harris. last voice was the first lady, Dr. Jill Biden, and the guy in the middle that was Doug Emhoff. at a Strict scrutiny live show in DC on Saturday night, Kate was telling us there was gonna be a surprise guest. last time.

Do you guys think she bought her tickets on the crooked website? Oh good question. We probably gave her a freebie. No.

As soon as I heard she was there, everyone slacking that she was there.

I was like, I hope we gave her a good seat. Nobody found a handheld mic and just kind of chucked it down there.

Yeah, and what do you think about this?

Again, Vice President Harris, anytime you would like to be on a cricket podcast. You don't just have to attend. you can, you can be.

On. we'll talk right. in this case. For example, any scheduling problem is a couldn't have been the case. you were there.

What do we do? we're sitting on other media outlets. do you have to do? you're out here on the front lines day after day.

Talking about how young Joe Biden is. put him on here the fuck in this White House.

Where else are you gonna send Joe Biden and Kamala Harris before pod Save America? where anyway the all-in pod?

Yeah, any youtuber and youtuber. We got invited to a Biden Influencer event in Los Angeles. That's true. We did. Barack Obama stopped by and he was like, oh, some of you have likes and follows.

We've been sorted into the influencer slash creator category. I find that troubling. it's digital content creators.

That's what. that's what we're accurate. Yeah, I guess, fine. Whatever. Anyway, back to abortion.

Biden slogan, right.

That includes everything from more standard stuff like Elizabeth Warren holding an event in Wisconsin to celebrity appearances, Padma Lakshmi. We'll be doing it at something in Atlanta. The campaign is also holding storytelling trainings to help people tell their own personal stories about abortion and reproductive care, Including some of the women who've already told their stories in ads. One of those women, Kaitlyn Joshua from Louisiana, is featured in a new ad that the Biden campaign just released today.

I was right. around 11 weeks when I had a miscarriage. the pain that I was feeling was Excruciating. I was turned away from two emergency rooms. That was a direct result of Donald Trump overturning Roe v.

I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message. So let's talk about how this will come up at the debate. Trump's been Bragging about overturning Roe. He's been using Kellyanne Conway's presumably poll-tested argument that this is just all up to the states now and the states get to decide and people get to decide. He's also been lying about Democrats wanting live birth abortions, which isn't a thing.

He can. he can certainly build on the back and forth They had in the 2020 debate when when Biden was saying abortion is on the ballot. I mean, I think it's a complicated argument because Roe was then overturned despite Joe Biden winning. But the point he was making was about the Supreme Court justices that the next president will get to pick and if Trump is president, 8-1 majority, probably by the end. I mean he could.

I think Joe Biden has to basically just say Donald Trump is the reason Abortion was overturned in this country. I want to protect access to abortion. He wants to Make it a crime to have an abortion. He's already talking about what he's going to do in his next term and he's going to make it impossible Not just in reds, not just in red states, but in blue states for women to access reproductive care. That is the threat.

This is what he's bragging about Women who have been turned away from ERS, who are bleeding out. women who have been turned away, Who have gone into septic shock, a couple in Alabama who couldn't, who was just Wanted a baby so bad and went through IVF and couldn't continue because of the Alabama State Supreme Court and what they decided. he says that it's left to the states, but, like the fundamental truth is, no one knows the path that a pregnancy will take, and women deserve care when they need it, and no one knows when they'll need the care or or Where they'll need the care. and Donald Trump doesn't think you should have the right to that care. and that's what it is.

That's, that's what he's bragging, and they're not done. They're gonna. they want to pass a federal abortion ban. They want to criminalize medication abortion And, by the way, His coalition is just made up with a bunch of creepy, fucking weirdos who want to be a part of every Decision you make in your life, in your bedroom, whether it's IVF, whether it's contraception, Whether it's the birth control pill. like these guys are not done.

because I know, because this is where Kellyanne keeps wanting him to go is He'll say why? Joe, tell me, tell me what week you would have the restriction at, tell me how many weeks? How many weeks would you do? pick, pick a number? You can't?

You can't take the bait and respond to Trump. No, you need to say these are decisions that are being made by women and their doctors, not by you, Donald.

Yes, and that is the and that has been the problem since Dobbs is that doctors aren't making these decisions. These aren't medical decisions, These are great. Yeah, great. Yeah, by Greg.

Decisions. you want to make decisions? Yeah, and you wouldn't trust Donald Trump to watch your laptop at a fucking at a Starbucks.

No, I would not, absolutely not. I Couldn't. I can't imagine Donald Trump being in a Starbucks.

Does he drink coffee?

No, because he's on drugs. Which one provisional? No, I don't know. We're gonna say he's gonna. he's gonna submit to dr.

Ronnie's test, and then we will find out. as always, Donald Trump is projecting. Yes, and You, you, you're not really support. You don't do Ozempic in the ass, But but, but I do think that's probably what he's thinking about. Well, you do it.

I don't know either. Anyway, I think we're. I think this is. this is our show for today.

I think Trump has taken pro-vigil or some sort of upper on, for of course he has. of course, Of course, he is a sleepy old man.

He this guy again, you know, if he wants to, if Joe Biden wants me to debate, God bless him.

We don't know. Trump's brain Stopped the. the elasticity of his brain locked up in the late 80s, and that was an uppers era.

Oh, yeah, that was an uppers era, but he didn't drink. if you take an x-ray of his brain. It's just diet coke.

Yeah and coke.

Allegedly. All right, everyone. That's our show for today. We will have a show for you Thursday morning, because Wednesday night we're gonna have a live show in Brooklyn and that'll be out Thursday morning.

So there's a Thursday morning live show, post debate.

debate Friday night show Friday.

Yeah, it'll come out after that. Some of you might be thinking that's too many shows. You know what? I say to you eat shit, download it and delete it.

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