The Dan Bongino Sunday Special 04/30/23 - Kyle Seraphin, Steve Deace and some epic Dan rants
2023-04-30 01:01:13
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First up today, we talked with former FBI agent Kyle Serfin about a breaking story about an actual insurrection in Minnesota. This was a crazy story about George Floyd Square. If you haven't heard this, listen to this interview and you'll see how our DOJ is just.
Completely lost in the media, just won't pick up on the story.
Check it out.
All right, so this guy's a good friend of mine and it's why I'm long. He's one of the reasons why I'm long on America. Because there are some good people left, matter of fact, a lot of good people who really care about the republic. Saving it and moving us back the Freedom train, back to the Freedom station, not farther away from it. His name is Kyle Serfin. You can follow him on Twitter at Kyle Serfin S-e-r-a-p-h-i-n. Check him out at kyleserfin..com.
He's also on rumble as well, which we love.
Kyle, welcome back to the show. always good to have you.
Thanks so much for having me back on, Dan.
You got it, so you contacted me this morning about a particularly disturbing story. One of the things with you being so vocal as a whistleblower, and I'm proud to say I.
Know you for that? It takes a lot of guts to do what you did. Give up a very prosperous, great job in the FBI to go and speak. The truth is, people now know you're the real deal and they come to you.
And you got wind of a story out of Minnesota that I got to tell you. I had to kind of read twice before I got back to you. That's why it took so long. Thinking no way can't be that obvious. Why don't you tell the audience what you heard is going down over there?
Sure, so for the background. I've got friends that are in politics right now in Minneapolis, that are in Minnesota. I've got some friends that are former law enforcement out there, and then obviously I've got some connections also within the bureau. But what I had was somebody come to me and let me know that. There is an ongoing remnant of 2020 autonomous zone that's hanging out in the middle of a major American city, that being Minneapolis, Minnesota. Which is a crazy thing to think that they are still doing these blockades, that there's still a no-go zone for the Minneapolis Police Department. That's controlled by criminal gangs. And they essentially have an open-air drug market where they can pretty much do anything.
Now I'm told right now that the cops can go in there and get people that are dying of an overdose, but they can't do any enforcement actions. EMS is able to go in now and do the same sort of thing, cart people off. So they're letting them haul out their dead and the people that are dying from the drugs that are going on. But they're not able to do any of the enforcement. So this is essentially a piece of America that is being held hostage by an organized crime group.
So there's effectively just to sum up where we are before we move to the next step, the angle to this. There's a chop zone outside of Seattle, essentially it's in Minnesota at this point, and the chop zone is basically, by any definition, standard definition, basically an insurrection. People are saying, your rules don't apply here, we own this.
You cannot enforce American and state laws in Minnesota. In here, it's an insurrection by definition. But where that zone is is quite interesting. Why don't you describe that angle there?
So the zone is it's George Floyd Square, also known as St. George of Fentanyl Square, so you can imagine why that is. And I guess it's fairly well known that this area of Minneapolis, this is the 38th Street and Chicago area, I'm told, is just kind of a no-go zone. Like you just don't go in there and do enforcement actions.
Like I said, they could pick up the dead, that's pretty much what they're able to do. So basic service is not really available to folks there, and I'd love to hear it more. People want to reach out to me on Twitter.
By all means, if they have a personal experience. I've got someone that's going to go do some some recce work and take some photos over there in the next couple of days. And kind of get us some on the ground truth from it.
Anyone who has any info on this? He's at Kyle Serafin on Twitter.
S-e-r-a-p-h-i-n, common spelling for Kyle at Kyle Serafin.
So, Kyle? We've established so far from some sources that there appears to be an insurrection going on in Minnesota. Effectively an autonomous chop zone, which, by law, is tautologically.
Illegal.
And it happens to be in the area of the George Floyd Square over there. Now, the FBI could could do something about that, right? If there was some open air drug dealing in the DOJ, you could have DEA, you could have IRS, you could have a task force go in there and enforce American laws. I mean, they did that on Capitol Hill for the insurrection on January 6th. Remember that?
A lot of people went to jail. That's kind of how you and I met you, exposing how the political targeting happened for a lot of that. So what's happening? are they? are they breaking it up?
Are they declaring an insurrection? Is Christopher Wray doing a press conference about it? What are you hearing?
So there's two pieces to it. So number one, the federal law that would be involved, particularly in organized crime, you know, goes back to the 60s, but it's a 18 U.S...C. 1962. This is going to be the stuff that's going to go after Rico, the Rico statute, that's the racketeering and the influence of organized crime.
So they have a tool that they can use. And as you might expect, not everybody is bad in any organization by any means. And that's the same case for the FBI there, so we've got FBI agents. We've got task force officers that are working on building a solid case against this. This criminal organization that's holding this territory. But what has happened? And this is not the first time I've heard what we call main justice.
So that's Washington, D.
C.
HAS has put the Kibosh on their ability to go forward with both the prosecution and, more importantly, the enforcement action to break this thing up. And they were planning on going in in a safe way, the way that you would think, you know, time frame, I'm not going to disclose because I don't think that's relevant. But basically, DOJ is putting extra conditions and things that were not originally part of the initial prosecution and the initial case. So they're stopping that.
They're putting a kibosh on it.
See media people, this is called a story, this is called a breaking news event. You may want to pay attention to Kyle, follow him on Twitter if you're interested in that kind of stuff. You know stories like an insurrection going on in Minnesota and the potential.
I'm not getting out ahead of my skis. Neither is Kyle. That's what I respect about the man. But it seems kind of interesting that they've got a case. The FBI agents and the people reaching out have said, you know what, we got a decent case here. And it appears extra conditions have been layered on Kyle. I can speculate here.
Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that this would be? It would be visuals of maybe FBI vehicles showing up in George Floyd Square? Doing actual law enforcement? And that liberals in the Biden administration, the DOJ may not like the optics of that law enforcement be damned.
That's 100 percent what I think it is. We're being told that there's a DOJ official whose name is Kim Dahmers. D-a-m-m-e-r-s who doesn't want this happening, doesn't want, you know? FBI Squad Task Force officers from local PD getting into George Floyd Square and doing the things they do. And you'd have people wearing uniforms, you'd have people wearing camouflage, because, for whatever reason, FBI still wears camouflage, even in urban areas. But they're going to go out there, they'll have an evidence response team, grabbing things and doing the things they do. And so there's going to be placards and it's going to be a strong physical and visual response. Because that's what needs to happen when you, when you lose a piece of American territory to some folks that are operating outside the law.
And they don't want that, so that's what we're being told is going on. Unfortunately, even the local prosecutors want to get this thing done because a good case is a good case and good people want to do good cases. But when you're getting held back by the by the headquarters units, then you can't do your work. And they won't move forward with prosecution because they still work for a paycheck and they get told how they can and can't do things.
We're talking to Kyle Serafin, kyleserafin.
Com if you want to learn more. He's on rumble as well as former FBI agent whistleblower S-e-r-a-p-h-i-n, You know, Kyle, you're right.
You know, I was an agent, you were an agent.
Good cases are good cases. I don't remember a time.
I mean, I got on in 1999 and I, I don't remember my supervisors in the New York field.
Office, which was a rather big office, too, it wasn't full of tomato cans and ham and eggers. I mean, the guy who ran the New York Field Office was probably going to be the next director or some kind of deputy director.
It was a big deal. I don't remember them ever. These were smart guys. Saying to me, you know, we got to consider the political ramifications. I'm not saying they were naive to it, you know? If there was a case involving, say, a local politician, obviously that's a politically sensitive case.
We'd run that up the headquarters and we were in Treasury at the time before we went.
To DHS, it would be run through probably all the way up to the Secretary of the Trade and to the White House. I think what you're saying and where we, you know, when we met originally, one of the things that's offended you is.
Political ramifications of a case and making decisions based on politics are not the same thing. OK, like locking people up for a January 6th insurrection or whatever. Grandma who trespassed? Because you don't like their politics while leaving a essentially a new chop zone in Minnesota because their politics are sensitive to your cause. And that that's Third World Republic stuff.
It really is, yeah, you can't, you can't. You can't make decisions whether or not to go forward with a case if it's righteous, based on how it's going to look. That you can, you can be cautious about how you move forward with it. That you make sure that you're 100 percent correct in your allegations, that you're. You know, there are ways that you can make sure that you firm up the ground that you're standing on.
But what you don't want to do is go well. We're just not going to touch this because this is going to hurt some feelings of certain people. And we need those people on our side. You know, the DOJ doesn't get to have a side. That's the whole reason why it's supposed to exist, it's supposed to be apolitical, even with a political appointee at the top of it. Same thing.
That's why you're supposed to have a 10 year term for the F.BI director. They're not supposed to be involved in politics, they're literally supposed to spend the different terms of multiple executives, so once they're in, they're not supposed to be beholden. It's kind of like the way we're supposed to do judges, with the sort of, you know, lifetime appointing.
But this is not what we see right now. We're seeing them make expressly political decisions on prosecution, not on how the prosecution is done. That's not OK.
We're talking to Kyle Serafin media people again. this is called the story. You may want to reach out to Kyle. I'm just saying, we have an insurrection going on. By your own definition in Minnesota, that it appears the DOJ doesn't want to do anything about because of the political optics. That's called a huge story.
So you can reach out to him on Twitter, he's there at Kyle Serafin. S-c-r-a-p-h-i-n Kyle, let's do a little test, let's see how many people actually reach out to you.
I know there's some conservative people who will be concerned about this, but I can guarantee you, not the Slimes or the Washington Post will say a damn thing. I got to run after this question. But final question, an update on your situation. You know, the F.B.I. has treated you terribly this entire time, you brought up legitimate issues.
You are unquestionably a whistleblower. That whole story about the targeting of Catholics, I mean, that was, which was an abomination, that was you. This is a government funded entity, it's not Google.
It's the FBI, we pay for it, and so do you. What's the status with your case, with them?
How are they treating you?
Well, they've gone back and forth with me saying that, you know, I'm still an employee, which is patently absurd. I had my badge, my gun taken, actually today's April 18th, so there's exactly one year to the day that they took my badge, my gun. And walked me out of the building. In front of all my colleagues and friends, and so on, so that happened.
And then, you know, not too long after that, in June, they took my paycheck, so I haven't been paid in 10 months. So we had a little a little thing on my podcast where we just went through their allegations against me. They've added about 13 different charges now, including felonies. Because, you know, I was probably the worst employee they ever had if you listen to the way they wrote it. But it only happened the minute I became whistleblower.
So all that stuff goes down. I would have let them know that, even though I'm still, I was supposedly still on the Charmin toilet paper rolls of the FB.I. They usually use the word rolls all the time. I've asked them to pull my sheet off and said, Look, I will acknowledge that you broke up with me and I'll make it easy for you. I will also break up with you.
I, you know, formally resign from not being paid from this job for a year. And you guys can have it. I don't need to do that anymore.
So, just to be clear, you had no gun, no badge, and no salary, and yet they claim you work there. That's, that's, that's fascinating, that's quite a situation that what, that's awesome.
What a job, no gun, no badge, no salary. Sign me up, baby, I'll take it, Kyle. Where can the listeners find your podcast?
They should really listen to you, you've got, you've broken a ton of stories.
This is not the first one.
And it's kind of unfair.
I get to do it on my show. You should get some of this yourself and be able to explain it in your way, not directed by me. So how can they find you?
Very kind. We're on Apple, we're on Spotify, we're on iHeartRadio, we're on all the places. You might find podcasts, you could look for, just the Kyle Serafin show, and then, as you said, we're on Rumble. So if they want to see the video version of it, they can check out there.
And it's essentially just my smiling face talking to. There's not a whole lot more to it, but we do have some really interesting guests that come on as well. I know it.
Hey, listen, that's how we found each other. And listen, man, I get the golden. What's the golden? Rule of podcast content is king daddy-o? Nobody gives a damn about the effects.
You know dancing, you know little Willy Wonka, things in the background, nobody cares. Produce good content, and I'm telling you, people will find your show.
That's why people like you.
Check them out, folks. KYLE Serafin That is an incredible story. I really hope someone in conservative media reaches out to you.
Because this is an explosive, explosive revelation. I don't think I'm overselling that. Kyle, thanks for your time. We appreciate it.
Always appreciate the time, Dan thanks.
You got it, man, and I want to say publicly thank you to Kyle for rescuing the guest segment.
We like preservers, he grabbed the preserver and he actually got on the ship. Sometimes we throw the preserver and guests don't want it. They're like, I'm going to drown, I'm going to drown.
Leave me in the Pacific to be eaten by the hammerhead sharks. I don't even know if they're in the Pacific. Thank you, Kyle.
That was a great segment.
And yeah, call that breaking news. We have an insurrection going on and the DOJ don't want to do anything about it. Dear media people, again, that's called the story. You may want to check that out up.
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Tax Day was last week. That made me think I went off on air.
Fares shares all this other nonsense the left keeps talking about, and the importance of going to work.
Get to work here was one of those rants.
Check this out.
I think tomorrow is tax day, right?
It's been pushed through the 18th.
Is it today?
I don't know, I heard it had been pushed through tomorrow, I don't know, I'm not sure. You better look that up.
I think they pushed it till tomorrow. No, no, look it up, I'm serious, you did look it up.
I think they pushed it till tomorrow.
I could be wrong.
But usually it's on A because someone was talking about that this morning on Fox. And I got to tell you I was a little, I was a little confused about it.
Too, but I have to, uh, till tomorrow, so I'm right. Can you acknowledge that? Please, Jim, open your mic.
Can you please tell the whole world?
Yes, you dan Bongino are correct, yeah.
Yeah, thank you. thank you Jim.
I'm wrong a lot, I'm wrong a lot. I'm once in a while I I need to be, I need the world to hear I was right.
Once in a while, uh, I got. I listened, man, I'm a sensitive guy. No, I, I'm only saying that because I'm I'm messing around with Jim, because I thought that too. Usually when it falls on a weekend, it's on that Monday. And I was watching Fox this morning. And I think it was Dana Perino who asked the same question.
He's like, why is it tomorrow? That doesn't make a lot of sense, but this whole tax thing.
So when? How do I hold on? Let me get a drink of water here, I just gonna make it ugly. Nothing pisses me off more than the whole tax day argument, because what I find really incredible about it, the whole tax and taxes thing, is that these lazy.
Freaking bums who don't do anything for a living. Most notably Liberal Democrats.
Who sit around in mama's basement, you know, with the Lubriderm and some Ben and Jerry's, and you know, you can probably figure out the rest.
They really don't, I mean, they're, they're typically incels and everything like that. They sit in their mama's basement and they whine endlessly about Tucker and.
Mark Levin and Trump all day, uh, it's all you hear from them, right?
They do nothing, they add zero value to society at all.
I mean, none, none.
Zero. They have really flat rumps because they sit on them all day. It's like, Man is that what is that? is that? A my gosh, you okay there? Your pants don't fit.
Yes, that's fine. It's not supposed to be flat like that, there's a gluteus maximus, supposed to have a little like to it.
Right?
What happened?
Well, I sit on, Uh, they'll be at Ben and Jerry's and they do nothing, they add no value to society at all. Now I'm in an interesting spot as your humble host here, right?
I grew up, I'd say middle-class. dad was a plumber, my mom worked in a supermarket in Smithtown, Long Island. Parents get divorced. Not a sob story, whatever, everybody's got that.
Who cares? But it it it, you know, that got a little weird after that, so we kind of started teetering at the lower end of the middle class. After the divorce thing, mom didn't have a job for a little while.
Then she started working at Con Edison and they they she got laid off.
So, you know, we went through some struggles and you know, we the big deal for us was having, like, London broil for dinner, which now I eat.
It tastes like shoe leather, but back in the day, that tasted like caviar. I mean, you'd have to cut that. And did you ever have London Broil? I mean, if you don't smoke that thing for like, four days, that's tough to eat.
Right?
And I worked really hard, man, it's you work hard, too. It's I'm not unusual in that respect, but I did. I went through a lot of struggles.
You know, I went to Stony Brook University for my first year of college.
And things didn't really work out.
I missed home, I went home.
I got really depressed about things.
There's a lot of bad stuff going on in my life at the time, you know, friends doing dumb stuff. I just felt really alienated, I was living by myself.
I was only, I think, 19 at the time. We had a house burned down, I was living with my aunt and uncle in Wontaw. And not semi-autobiography. I'm just trying to make a point.
Just roll with me for a minute. I was living with my aunt and uncle in Wontaw, Long Island. The house burned down, We lost the dog, I lost everything I owned.
I came out of that with a pair of ripped gap jeans and a pair of black Doc Martin boots, that was it. Nothing left, I mean, pictures, videotapes. Every money, you know, had like a thousand dollars in a potato salad cup that I had saved up from working at a store. And I've gone. I mean, I had nothing.
I was left with absolutely nothing, so I moved out. I'm living in a SIM, totally depressed.
And things got really dark, things got really dark for me. I used to go to this bagel store and there was this guy I'd help out once in a while, and there was this guy who worked there, Anthony.
And I was really in a dark place and you want to be candid with you. I was like, in the darkest place possible. I mean, I really just didn't want to go on, it was bad.
It was bad. It runs in my family, this depression, and when you're depressed, like clinically depressed, and then life starts to really break bad. So, in other words, like, depression is weird because you're just sad about stuff that that makes no sense. You're like, sad because baseballs are white.
Like, that's depression, I can't describe it any other way.
Like, Oh my gosh, the baseballs like, it's weird.
It's not attached to anything.
But when you're depressed and stuff breaks really bad, it gets really bad.
And I understand, so when people talk about mental illness and stuff, my ears perk up. Because I know what that's like to be there. And it really is a dark place.
And I remember, you know, the turning point was I was talking to this kid, Anthony, who was not a particularly great guy. But he'd had some struggles too, you know, notably some drugs and some crime and stuff.
And he didn't really want to hear my sob stories at all.
He really didn't. And that's the problem with victim culture now, is that, you know everybody who's victims, everybody feels bad.
Oh my gosh, I'm a trans person, you're being targeted.
How? exactly how are you being targeted for? what? who's targeting you? someone specifically?
I don't want anybody targeted. You're trans, you're adult. I may have disagreements for your lifestyle, but I don't want you targeted for anything. I don't want anybody attacking you or anything. It doesn't help the argument at all.
We can have a political debate, but you know, everybody's a victim now, right? But this kid wasn't allowing that at all.
He wasn't allowing that at all, he said. To me. He's like, listen, if you're going to do something stupid to yourself, right? It was like a Friday or something like that, he said. I don't really care, like at all, not even a little bit.
He's like, I just wish you'd give me a heads up because I need to have someone cover a.
Shift on Monday. If you're not going to help out, just let us know.
And it was so matter of fact, and I got to tell you, man, it was a real like Road to Damascus moment.
And from that point on, like, things kind of turned a lot and I really started busting my ass. I had a really good GPA in my freshman year in Stony Brook, my sophomore year, I totally collapsed.
I think I had a one six. I was put on academic probation, which I had never. I was always a pretty smart kid. I had never been on academic probation in my life for anything. It was humiliating and embarrassing, but then I was committed man, and I turned it around and I busted my ass.
It was the last two and a half years of college, I wound up graduating like a three, five. I got into graduate school for neuropsychology and a super competitive program. I wound up later going back to school, getting an MBA at Penn State. I took the McAts.
I wanted to go to medical school, didn't get in there, but dusted off and went to business school instead.
And after growing up really middle class and at the lower end of middle class. And knowing that struggle, it was precisely that struggle that made me say to myself, You know what, man, I ain't doing that again, I ain't doing it again. And folks, if someone would have rescued me from that struggle instead of that guy Anthony telling me I don't really give a about your struggle? What I care about is you're going to show up on Monday to work or not. Made me realize that the only one that was going to pull me out of this struggle was me.
And then I better cut the BS and stop telling people sob stories about how awful my life was, because it's not. You still live in the greatest country on Earth, and this place is rife with opportunities. If you just open the freaking door and walk through. And I didn't want to do that.
I wanted to sit in the doorway and complain.
And I busted my ass.
I became a police officer, and, you know what, good enough wasn't good enough, I said, You know what?
I want to be a secret service agent, and I did that too. Then I left there. I said I want to run for office, took a shot at that.
Didn't work out. Then I said, I want to own a business. First business. We started, worked out okay, but wasn't a success. It was a lot of work.
We thought it would be, and I scrapped it, but I learned a lot about running a business.
Then we went into other investments.
Some worked out, some didn't, and then we wound up with a really successful one.
And all that happened, and I get this tax bill because I don't really do the administrative.
Portion of the business, my wife and my legal team handles all that. But my wife was on speakerphone talking to the accountant this past week, and the accountant's telling her what we made and all this. And folks, I'm serious when I tell you this, I really have no idea.
I mean, I have an idea, but I don't know plus or minus 20, I just don't know.
I don't keep track of it, my wife does. I said, No, I trust her, obviously that's why I married her.
But the accountant said the number and I was like, Wow, that was a lot of work. Wrote a book, do a Fox show, do a podcast, do a radio show, got involved with a couple. Businesses, were involved in some new investments, some IP projects, other things.
And then he told me the tax bill.
Folks, I almost lost it.
I'd just eaten and it was one of those moments where I was like, Oh, he's got the pepto. The indigestion kicked in right away. I said, You're kidding.
That's what we're paying, the government taxes.
You're joking, right? She said. No, I'm not kidding, and I thought, Wait, what?
Wait, really, for what? What are we getting out of this deal? Because let me tell you something, my entire life I've been poor or middle class, and I didn't really get much from the G, the government.
I don't know what I got a bunch of grief, maybe a bunch of stupid political speeches, but I feel like I kind of put into work. I have no objection whatsoever, none philosophically, to financing a military, a court system. And, as I said, our seniors, you were promised a crap deal with Social Security and Medicare.
It failed, but I get it.
I don't want seniors eating cat food. I'm happy to pay for them in a pay go program, and I get that.
But when she gave me the tax bill, I thought to myself, or when I heard about it on the.
Speakerphone.
Do you have any idea what I could do with that money?
Invested in probably 10 20 other businesses, create, I don't know, five, 10 more good quality jobs to change people's lives. I could hire a staff of two, three more. Do another renovation on our studio over here. That would put construction workers into business in this local neighborhood I live in.
And that's not what happened with any of it, it's going to go to the government, you know what's going to happen. You might as well flush it down a toilet and burn that crap, because it's going to be spent on a bunch of garbage. And a bunch of feel good. Make you feel like a victim.
Programs where it's not going to teach people that they have a way to walk through the door and take advantage of. This country rife with opportunities. But it's going to tell them, stand in the doorway. We'll pay you to stand there and just keep complaining. The more you complain, we'll give you more money.
My biggest objection to the Republican Party, as it's constituted now, not all of them. I don't like to stigmatize people, but my biggest objection is that we have not made a bigger issue about get your freaking ass to work.
That we constantly dilly dally around and play this compassionate conservatism crap, when that's not what the world needs right now. I'm not telling you you've got to insult people and scream at people, I can do that, but I'm telling you you better make an issue out of the value of work. Getting your rump, picking it up off a chair, your ass, and taking it to a job, and producing something of value, producing something of value.
Because that's the reason you're here. You sitting around and getting paid to do nothing when you're perfectly capable of working is not compassion, it's the very definition of evil. It steals from you the opportunity to see the opportunity right in front of your face. Because you're blinded by a bevy of benefits the government's paying you to not recognize the opportunity right in front of you.
It is the biggest mistake this party ever made. It's getting into things like earned income tax credits. Oh, it incentivizes work, none of this. All it does is distort the tax code. Here, here, here's what we do.
You want to make people great, you want to get people back to work.
Incentivize them to go back to work.
I don't care if they pay no taxes, up to $100,000.
I don't care and make it fair for everyone else. The economy would explode tomorrow. I'm just throwing that number out.
There'd be a massive cliff, obviously.
We got to stop beating around the bush, man, we got to just be straight with people and clear with people. And it's us, the government, giving people money that's destroyed people's lives. There's nothing compassionate about it at all.
There is nothing compassionate if you have the capability to work.
You need, you need to feel that.
You need to feel that to say, I don't want to go back there, it's the only way.
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Here's Steve Dace talking about the medical issues he's been dealing with.
He's a good friend, a great conservative, he's talking about liberal Hollywood, how he got around it and his new movie, Nefarious. It's a really great movie. Check this out.
Happy to have one of my favorite people, always a reliable guest.
You know what I like about having this particular guest on?
He has been in radio a whole lot longer than me, years, years before I was.
So when you say, Steve, I got 30 seconds left, he wraps it up in 30 seconds.
He's got like a magic timer in his head, welcoming back to the show our good friend Steve Dace.
Steve, so good to have you on the show. How are you feeling first?
I know you're getting that a lot, but the audience was following this little health crisis you went through.
You doing all right.
I'm okay, you know, we're still fighting this infection off. I get a little low-grade fever every now and then, as my body is still fighting this dreaded MRSA infection, and it's still draining. But for the most part, I'm out of the woods and I appreciate you asking.
It was quite an ordeal and a very, very painful one on top of that.
Listen, that is no joke, you know, I hate when someone mentions it and you go, Oh, I had this too. But in this case, when I first started doing the grappling stuff. And they weren't cleaning the mats, you know, 15 20 years ago.
You just like, went on the mat and whatever. I got MRSA in my lower leg and I was in the hospital for days. I think I had to take. Was it Rosepin or something I forget?
But these injectable antibiotics, that's serious stuff, I mean, that can quite literally kill you, that's no joke.
No, it is no joke. There is one oral antibiotic on planet Earth that will treat it and you can have a lot of reactions to it. If that doesn't work, then you have to do what you did. Still now, years later, you still go to the hospital and intravenously have to have them put the antibiotics into you to beat it.
Luckily, I am tolerating that antibiotic and so I was able to come back to work.
Good, yeah, and every time I have surgery, they make me. Even now, 20 years later, I've got to wipe down with this special chlorohexanate cloth. It's just crazy.
So glad to hear you're doing good. I want to get to the movie. I just want to hit one topic with you. The movie's called Nefarious Folks. It is to say, tearing it up is an understatement.
Don't take my word for it, by the way.
Just go read the reviews.
Don't listen to me. I mean, I loved it, I thought it was amazing. I'm not saying that biased, I'm telling you, read the reviews.
I don't even want to tell you about the ending. Steve's going to tell you about the movie, but first, Steve, the topic du jour. I know in the media that's been eating everyone's time up.
Is clearly what happened yesterday with Dominion and Fox. I've been covering it for the first two hours of the show.
It's not the case, the outcome, it's the media response on the left. That I've got to tell you, stuns me. And there's nobody more qualified to comment on this than you. You've been in the media a lot longer than me. I cannot believe the victory laps. Being taken by people on the left-wing media with a documented history of lying on the air who are like, this is great.
We could pay out billions for lies. Now. It's just amazing.
Well, they are used to a system, Dan, where they're not held accountable for anything. You know, Julie Swetnick can go on National TV on MSNBC with Michael Avenatti and claim that Brett Kavanaugh is actually a marauding gang rapist.
Jim, How did we not know about the Julie Swetnick? How did we forget the Julie Swetnick? This is why they say, I'm sorry, Steve, go ahead, that is so right.
Julie Swetnick How did we forget the best example ever?
Go ahead. I mean, they're just not held accountable for anything for nothing. And so I don't think the old political dichotomy where both Republicans and Democrats were very concerned about going too far. Left of center and right of center. Because of the blowback and the reverb from the other side, which is a natural relationship in any kind of a duopoly, doesn't exist any longer. The other side has no fear about going off to the lunatic fringe. There is no fear whatsoever that you will find a federal judge of your own. And go after them for the lies that they tell and use that as a precedent against them.
None. They have no fear, and I hate to say it, but sadly, I'm not really sure at this point why they would. And that's kind of where we are. They understand that this is, you know, this duopoly is a teeter-totter brother, and it's heavily tilted to one side at the moment.
Yeah.
Yeah, man, you're right. And I mean, we were talking about Covid examples. I mean, how many people have a legally actionable case under this new pseudo standard? Now? Who were told to get the vaccine because it prevents Covid? Who may have come down with myocarditis, or family members who may have suffered worse? I mean, you wrote the book about Fauci, you got you and Dan, and you got the fourth Reich out.
Now you actually wrote books on this, I mean, is under this new pseudo standard, is this legally actionable?
I mean, if I were, if I were Peter McCullough, maybe the most decorated cardiologist in American history, I were Harvey Rich, one of the most academically cited MDs in American history. You know, Scott Atlas, Jay Bhattacharya, John Ioannidis at Stanford University. You know these scientists who were shunned, who were scarlet lettered for daring to question the narrative. I mean, Peter McCullough has founded three different medical journals. They have tried to literally take his medical license away.
If I'm those guys now, I am looking at this precedent and saying, OK, you want to get nuts, let's get nuts. But I think the problem you're still going to have is we're not a nation of laws and we never have been, we're a nation of political will, and we always will be. And so all right now, all the will, and for most of the will, seems to be on one side.
And I mean, look at what's going on with DESantis and Disney right now. I mean, we have people wearing our own jersey saying Disney's the victim. This isn't liberal government, this isn't free market economics.
OK, yeah, we can't have that.
So we we finally got somebody who punched them back right in the face and now we're like, Well, we're not supposed to do that. I mean, there's a gentleman's agreement here, you know?
Yeah, no, I'm with you 100 percent on that.
Yeah, that's totally, totally, totally unacceptable. The Disney is clearly in the wrong, clearly in the wrong, totally mischaracterized.
The bill called it the Don't say gay bill, which is totally ridiculous, which is almost slanderous in and of itself. But I want to get to the movie, Steve, you're. You have this story you told called nefarious, which got turned into a movie. Now. I think the problem, which you'd acknowledge having commented on this stuff in the past, is a lot of the movies in the conservative ecosystem.
Sometimes, you know, the production wasn't great, the stories were kind of, you know, some of them came off a little bit grifty in the early days. Now we're getting our act together. There's a ton of solid, strong Christian movies, the Kelsey Grammer movie just did phenomenal numbers.
Your movie is incredible, the story's amazing, the production's incredible, the reviews on it have been outstanding. How did you think of the story?
What was the movie process like, and how did you get this thing pushed through with all these crazy liberals out there dominating the entertainment space?
Well, to your last question. The only way that we thought we could do it to tell the story we wanted to, is if we financed it ourselves. And so my company spent millions of dollars. It has not spent on me the last few years to make this film, from even to the marketing budget. So we would not have to compromise anything. And, you know, I wrote a book back in 2016 called The Nefarious Plot.
And I got inspired to do it on my first trip to Washington, D.
C Where best to get inspired to write a book about a demonic takeover of America than Washington, D..C? And the guys who did God's Not Dead and Unplanned heard about the book and they were like, we got to turn that into a movie. And the question, though, is, how do you take kind of a screw tape letters? Kind of a polemic where a demon rants at you for 200 pages and translate that to a movie?
And so what we show in the movie is the origin of this manuscript. where did this demonic manuscript come from? And it comes from Death Row in Oklahoma, where a serial killer named Edward Wayne Brady because all serial killers apparently must have three names. And on the day he's to be executed, he claims he is in. He didn't do these of his own free will.
He was demonically possessed and the court appoints an atheist psychiatrist. Because unless I guess you have Jordan Peterson, there aren't any other kind to come in and do this cursory sort of psychiatric eval. Check the box. Let's move on and fry this guy, and he's going to get a lot more than he bargained for.
And he's going to learn the true origin of a lot of his views that he think are progressive, enlightened, tolerant. And over the course of this film, it's going to absolutely wreck him to see what the true origin of his worldview is. And then he's going to have to come to grips with whether to stick with that or to turn from that darkness and walk back into the light.
We're talking to Steve Dace. Steve Dace has a movie out. it's called Nefarious, and it's tearing it up again. Folks, don't listen to me or Steve.
Read the reviews yourself. The movie's incredible, I don't want to say too much and give it away. He kind of just laid out the general plot, but you're going to be asking a lot of questions of yourself when this movie's over.
I promise you, Steve, you went and saw it nefarious in a few different. I've been following you on Twitter and you went and saw it yourself in a number of different movie theaters. That's got to be a pretty cool experience.
You're sitting there and you're like, Gosh, one day I was driving to D.
C or whatever. And I thought of this story and now here it is on the big screen right here.
It's really been surreal and that's what kind of made this. There's never a good time for a MRSA infection, but the timing of this, you know when? This is supposed to be really one of the best weeks of my entire life has certainly taken some of the joy from it. But still, once I'm in that theater. And a chance to sit there with people and gauge their reactions and watch what they think. To hear them collectively laugh, collectively, gasp, sigh, silent during some of the interactions between our psychiatrist. James and Nefarious, portrayed by Sean Patrick Flannery of Boondock Saints Fame, who is incredible in the movie.
That was really freaking cool, man, I'm not going to lie, it was just really freaking cool.
Did you spend any time on the set at all? I haven't been on the movie.
I think, maybe what was that like?
Well, that was also supposed to be fun. We had the IOTC Hollywood Union try to shut us down in a right-to-work state with a frivolous suit. And so I actually was going to go down there and just watch the movie film for several days. Instead, I had to go to war and get a hold of the governor, the attorney general, the legislature, so we could even film the movie. So again, that took some of the joy away from it.
But seeing Sean's performance in person was mesmerizing. And then, oh, by the way, it took us $100,000, but we actually beat the union in NLRB court last month. I mean, how frivolous does your claim have to be if a Biden NLRB magistrate rules against you at the Hollywood Union? And that tells you? That's just part of the opposition. We have had to making this movie and getting it out to the public all along.
The movie's nefarious, folks nefarious. Go see it. There's nothing worse than leaving a movie and you're driving back with your wife in the car.
You know, I only go to movies with my wife, or sometimes with my daughter if it's a kid movie, whatever it may be.
And nobody's saying anything, you want to be in the car, right?
And you want to be like, Oh my gosh, what about that part and that part?
You'll have so many questions. The movie's called Nefarious Steve, a couple of thoughts, The Mercer thing. Listen, I'm not your preacher, obviously.
You know more about spirituality than I do. But my friend told me. And he always used to repeat this very famous quote to me all the time. He'd say, You know, the heavens have a way of putting a price on things.
God decided that for a reason.
Neither you nor I understand, but it'll make sense in the afterlife. You know, that challenge was put there for you for a reason, and I think you recognize that.
But on the movie set topic, I got two minutes left here. I listened to a podcast once about economics, and the guy was saying, you'll never see capitalism in action better than on a movie set. Everybody knows what to do, the lighting guy does this.
They don't even have to talk to each other. He's like, it's the difference between implicit and explicit knowledge. it's the reason centuries of capitalism have built in implicit knowledge that other socialist economies don't have. Because they've done this movie thing a thousand times, they just know to show up and what to do.
That's exactly right, and I mean, we had an incredible crew. And the post-production quality, you mentioned it, the production quality of this film in a theater, the cinematography, the sound design and the sound editing, I mean, it's really, really top-notch.
And on a side note, Dan, we're also hoping that maybe we can kind of stretch the boundaries. A little bit of more serious, gritty subject matter that as conservatives, Christians, we can tackle in films. I love Jesus Revolution. I agree with Dan. I'm glad for all its success. I'd like our film to take a step in eradicating all that's left of conservative movie cheese.
Just completely get rid of it once and for all.
Yeah, we've had, I'm glad you recognize we've had it.
We do documentaries good, we do docs good, but we haven't. It's not our space, I mean, we're not. I heard a conservative activist, you and I are both friends, would explain it to me.
One time he goes, Dan. In conservatism, all the people funding the movement are basically people in petrochemicals, energy and things like that. They don't have to be creative in their advertising, like, Hey, buy our gas here, whatever, he says. The liberals got all these Apple people and Android.
And they're like, Hey, buy our Cool Beats headphones because of this, so they're more creative. So it's taken us a while to get it, but we are getting it. Your movie is incredible. I think it's going to break a lot of ceilings, folks.
The movie's called Nefarious Steve. Is there a website? They can find locations and tickets?
You bet go to Nefarioustickets.com again that is nefarioustickets.com.
Buddy, congratulations on a tremendous, tremendous success. You're doing big things. Always happy to have you back on the show. Thanks for your time, Steve.
I appreciate it brother, it means a lot coming from you. God bless, take care.
You've got to feel better, buddy. That guy, man, he's a good dude and he got really sick right before his movie. But as I said before, don't pretend to understand why God does things he does. He is far, infinitely smarter than we are.
And there's a reason for everything Heaven's always put a price on things. It's for a reason we'll be tougher people in the end. Go see the movie Nefarioustickets.com.
It's incredible we'll be right back.
That was Steve Dace.
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Yeah, here he is. And you know, the benefit of a live podcast and a live radio show is stuff happens live while you're live, when you're live, and it happens live. I was doing this whole show on my pod there at 11 o'clock.
And you know, forgive me, we're going to have to do the weekend update thing later. This is not the time for it.
I tell you, if you want to watch my reaction, you can go watch the podcast. Afterwards. When it came through at about what, was it? about 1140 or so, if you're saying what? Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News and his last show was Friday.
I am absolutely shocked.
Things are starting to make a little more sense for me now.
I'm really in shock.
I mean, you can see my reaction live on the podcast.
If you watch it on.
You know, whatever, when it's recorded afterwards, it's always available there.
Tucker was a good friend.
We weren't like coffee buddies or drinking buddies or anything like that, but I can tell you whenever I needed to come on or something like that.
Is people were always open to it and from talking to a bunch of people who watch Fox.
But don't necessarily work there. They're stunned.
You can probably tell from my voice I had a hard time recovering. During the podcast, I had to take a break and read a spot to kind of just.
To get my kind of sea legs under me.
Because I don't know what to say.
I. It's interesting, too, because right before the news broke on social media.
People are calling me now, this is crazy, you have no idea my phone is blowing up, you're out.
Tucker's gone, let me get some water here.
Sorry, folks.
In the chat room during the podcast, someone had commented that Why isn't Dan talking about his show not being on on Fox on Saturday night? And I had said, because I had already addressed this on Thursday, there was no, you know, there was no. I already told people there was no reason to waste time on Monday show about.
Something I'd already discussed.
And you know, that's that's on me. Because I guess, you know, I'm assuming everybody was either watching a podcast. Or, or, you know, saw it on my Facebook page or saw my Twitter. And folks, some people don't. A lot of people don't have lives, they have soccer games for kids, they have plumbers coming over the house. They got to go to work and set up a website.
They don't have time for any of this stuff.
So they were asking me, what happened to your show? And I said, we just couldn't agree on a contract.
Which is what happened. And I'm sorry, you know, you didn't know I. I. I wasn't trying to certainly hide it from anyone.
But um, I am just shocked.
You know?
I'm in a unique spot here talking to you because my show is, uh.
Is a multi-platform show which isn't unique. I mean, there are a lot of people who have radio shows and podcasts and TV.
Shows um.
But very few of them have a unique podcast, a unique radio show, and a unique TV show, all three completely separate products. I should say hat.
I obviously after last week, I'm not doing my TV show anymore, you get the point.
But I say that because I've seen all three of these spaces.
And cable news, ladies and gentlemen, is having a real problem. They're having a problem with cord cutters.
That's not a Fox thing, that's a cable news thing in general.
And that you have a host in Primetime.
Like Tucker Carlson, who generates, you know?
Three to 3 million plus viewers a night. Uh, you know, to cut ties with that is, is, is.
I mean.
It's an earthquake in the cable news ecosystem.
You know?
I don't know what happened, and I know a lot of you probably tuning in to the radio show and the podcast today, saying, Well, Dan worked there.
He's got the inside scoop and folks, listen, I be clickbait.
I'm never going to be that host, I don't do that.
Hey, look inside scoop on Fox. It's, you know, sometimes it even turns into a fight with, you know, some people.
My own team.
I wish I was a little more, you know, out there with this stuff, and that's all right. I mean, that's their job there, but that's not what I do.
I don't know, I had no idea that was going to happen at all. I'm not candidly. Yeah, I know a lot of people are speculating like Bongino and Tucker out at the same time.
I can only tell you what happened in my negotiations. I covered it on on Thursday.
I don't think these two incidents are related at all. I I mean, I, I can just tell you, based I was there. I mean, I don't. I'll let you in on a little secret here. I don't, I don't have an agent.
I don't use an agent.
I have lawyers, but I negotiate my own deals.
I love business, I love negotiations.
So I say that because I was there on all the calls and I don't think these two incidents are related at all. But it is surprising that they would just announce this today. I mean that that's fairly obvious because I'm watching Fox now, and just 20 minutes ago an ad for Tucker's show ran tonight. So something must've kind of abruptly, abruptly happened.
And I, I'm shocked, I, I'm just I'm just really stunned.
I'm really stunned. I mean, does it have anything to do with the 60 minutes show yesterday? I'm sure there's going to be a thousand people speculating, but I would be guessing on that, and it's not fair to do that.
The Bongino rule matters to me, I say it as kind of a.
You know, a joke in chess, but it's not a joke.
Let a story flesh out. You can be first and we shouldn't be reporting. This is obviously news. Tucker's out.
That's not, that's not a that's not a Bongino rule item. He's out, that's already announced, he's out, I mean, that's. But for me to, you know, speculate on the reason is really wasting a lot of your time.
And it's unfair. It could be a thousand different things.
And the reason I'm, I'm. I'm confident that the first explanation may not be the right. One is because I was busy reading all weekend, as was my good buddy Jim. How I got fired from Fox, which I've told you is not. It's absolutely false. To get fired means. At some point, they said, we don't want you on the network, and that's not what happened.
That is not what happened at all. I was there. So that's kind of one of the reasons I'm on first pass here, hesitant to take any kind of explanation about what may have happened.
It leads into my first story perfectly.
When I it's give me like, a little bit and I'll.
I'll do a little weekend update later, but right now there's just, I mean, you want to talk about a fire hose? This is one of those stories where I'm telling you.
Man I, I'm, I'm, I'm just.
I'm shocked.
It's rare, as you know, for me to be speechless on something.
But if you would have given me a hundred stories, say fake headlines, and said, one of these things is going to happen today.
These AI generated headlines, one of them is going to happen.
Ranked them from the most likely to the least likely.
I would rank that one 98 to a hundred that Tucker would be leaving Fox.
All right, shocking, really shocking.
I mean, people are going to ask a lot of questions.
I think some of the questions I think we should wait.
You know, I think we, you know.
We shouldn't be like leftist PP tape hoaxers and just throwing out crazy stories about why, and it doesn't make any sense. I mean, we can just wait for the real story to come out. I'm sure Tucker, at some point we'll have some comment about what happened. And I think it's only fair to give him his space. You know, the lefty media, huh?
They don't. It is full of crap.
This ignored these idiots.
But something did happen yesterday and a lot of people are going to speculate about it. And that is the 60 minutes interview with Ray Apps, which was one of the most bizarre media moments. I think, outside of Tucker leaving Fox today, which is just like a, like, I said, a crazy story.
Well, here they come. Here's the stories now Forbes on Gino and Tucker out at Fox. I mean, here I, I.
Oh man.
This is going to be a crazy day, I'm going to get a thousand emails today. Does it have anything to do with 60 minutes yesterday? I don't, I don't know that. And again, it'd be totally unfair to speculate. But I was going to cover this and I am going to cover it because the 60 minutes interview yesterday with Ray Apps, one of the participants in the January 6th Stop the Steel Rally.
The interview is probably the craziest media moment of the year.
I've never seen anything like it.
We're a supposed news show. Remember? They portrayed themselves as journalists. I mean, we all remember Sir, so we all remember Sir. of course Sir. we all remember that.
I mean, that's one of our favorite moments of all time. They portrayed themselves as a news station.
They're interviewing Ray apps.
A participant in the Stop the Steel rally.
And they have all of this video and text evidence that of.
Of EPS is involvement in the January 6th rally and some of the statements he made to both the night before and the next day via text.
And it's the weirdest thing. EPS is answer to the whole thing, as I said some stupid things and it's like, that's it. The story just goes away, so it's crazy.
So you get, on one hand, you get a grandma. Went into the Capitol on January 6th and is being charged with trespass and thrown in the gulag. And then you get this other guy who is quite literally on video telling people we're going to go. Quote inside the Capitol. And CBS is calling conservatives conspiracy theorists for saying, Hey, you know what's going on here? Why would he? why would he do that?
Craziest media moment I ever seen. I'm going to take a break to digest all this, everything's going on, I'm going to get back to this.
I've got some audio from the interview.
I got a lot to talk about. It is a big news day again.
Tucker Carlson out at Fox. It just a earthquake in the media business like we haven't seen in a really, really long time. We'll be right back.
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