#2135 - Neal Brennan
2024-04-12 02:30:11
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I could say for the air, but we're on the air. Oh, we are on the air, we're rolling. I just turned my monitor on because I could see myself and I didn't want to be. But what in sketches? I'll just open up with a Chappelle story.
Cause that's what everybody thinks they're doing here. Dave would be watching himself on the monitor. And then, and I'd be like, I don't know, man, just be in it. And then I'd turn and I'd tell the cameraman to turn around. I'd be like, Did Neil tell you to turn it around?
So he couldn't watch himself. It just felt like you're just if you're doing Rick James, maybe just be Rick James, not see yourself as Rick James, maybe like, affirmed.
Well, yeah, Rick James would.
Look at a monitor. Absolutely, imagine that's actually a good move, by the way. Rest in.
Peace, Oh my God, rest in peace. We lost the juice.
We love you, Sam Tripoli posted.
Something on Twitter today, it was O.J. Simpson just said, I did it, he posted on Instagram. But I guarantee you that that's fake. it looks like a fake tweet, yeah.
I watched There's.
A lot of fake tweets, there's a video of a compilation of Norm doing O.J. jokes, and it's 11 minutes.
And I watched it, I watched it and then went back and started. It was. It's so glorious, it was so relentless. He was so good.
He was so fucking funny, we're talking about. O.J. No, he was Norm, was so fucking funny and the glint in his eyes. And half the time he was bombing on SNL, cause it wasn't really his crowd, and he didn't care, he did not care.
And he kind of got fired for it. Well, he had a he had a view, you know, he.
Had a he had a a a a frequency that he was on. And comics loved it and the audience loved it. But yeah, it wasn't, wasn't necessarily SNL, yeah, it was the the audience, audiences.
Audiences at home liked it. Yeah, it's 11 minutes of norm, just like, and then this stare after the punchline, as it's either working or not, it's just glorious, that's skinny norm.
Look how skinny he is there. Yep, the suit too big. Yeah, and yeah, they didn't. It wasn't like, well, well, uh, it wasn't like lauded within SNL.
Sorry, it was like his own like guerrilla unit, him and this guy, Jim Downey, who wrote kind of all of.
It themselves, well, SNL, seems like they handicapped themselves, like they're handcuffing themselves.
Back then it was, but less, less back then. But now, for sure. I haven't watched very much. I'm, I'm me and Joe's are friends, I haven't. I just haven't seen it in a long time. He's very funny, but like, and uh, but. But I haven't seen it.
I I, Yeah, I haven't seen it. I had a sketch that I wanted, just I wrote so that so the week Shane got fired, whatever.
Unhired. I thought of a sketch and I texted I was going to be in New York and I have. So I had like a sort of open door policy at SNL where I could just write, cause I wrote there with Dave. So so I had a sketch idea for Joe's, where it's like it was a it was. A couple is getting ready to. They're in bed and they're like, So any um STds you want to you want to tell me about? And they're like, No, I'm cleaning the uh, any uh podcasts.
And we wrote, and then it was like, Ah, I did one. It was. It was like it was a good idea about Shane, but like, whatever? And then we wrote it and then it kind of got shelved. Like the, uh. My understanding was some of the people at the show didn't appreciate this. And then I was hoping Joe's, I was going to text Shane and be like, Hey, there's a sketch.
You should do. But I didn't want to be like, there's room for a show like, Well, Gillian Keeves is that? if you watch Gillian Keeves? I mean, I think I've seen a couple of this. It's fucking amazing. It's underappreciated within the Gillian Keeves fans. It's really appreciated. But the mainstream does not know how good those sketches are. He does, a only fans dad, a dad who needs to make money.
And so he does only fans. It's insane, it's insane. Does this Trump? Speed dating sketch? Oh my God.
That one, I think I saw that they're so good because it's Buck Wild, because they're on the internet. And Patrion. And you kind of get away with doing whatever the fuck you want and it just has to be funny. And but that's really, you can't do that anywhere.
You know, if you're on network television, you're dealing with so many executives, they're all terrified and everyone's scared, and everyone's ideologically captured. And there's certain things you can't joke around about, and it's like, God, there's so much ground you can't cover. And it's just you handicapped yourself, you just, you just handcuff yourself.
Well, it's also the the as two aged men who have seen many parts of many eras of show business. It seemed it's it's so the whole thing has got the the TV. Now. Feels like a 78 year old woman who still thinks she's fine, and it's like, Bitch, you're not fine, no more. Do. You don't got to carry yourself like, like you? Like, you know, everyone wants to fuck me, and it's like, not really.
You, you have all like the props from when everyone wanted to fuck you. But there's a lot of other women out here now and they still think they haven't really adjusted. They kind of can't, right, you know what I mean like?
How do you reduce network television? How do you reduce late night TV? How do you reduce sketch shows? how do you? It's all, it still has to be what it always was.
The format is just it's so restrictive, the fact that you have to break for commercials, the fact that you have a specific amount of time. It all. That is just you can't compete with the internet because of that, it's just you just can't, and then you have all the meddling.
I mean, you've done networks, I mean, you've dealt with comedy central. It was fucking insane over there, it was insane trying to tell them what is funny and what is not funny.
I will say, after six episodes of Chappelle show. They actually said, I believe the quote was we don't understand your show, so kind of just do whatever you want. They really said like, we don't understand your show.
It's funny.
Right, there was a, there was a they we. We did the sketch, the mad real world. And one of the execs said, Like, it's an unfunny, it's a collection of unfunny scenes back to back. And and I and I was like, Well, could we at least show it to the audience? Do you mind?
And then we showed it and it crushed, of course, and then I kind of, it's the only, and I and I and I got in the execs kind of ear. And I was like, I heard what you said about this, and she was like, Hey, Neil, take it.
Oh, they were bad.
Cause I was like, I was kind of.
Attached to it.
I was attached to it and I was also very I knew it's with any of these things, you know, you dave any anyone who's started the show. They're jumping out of the plane, let them pack their own shoot, you know what I mean, like, you're jumping out of the plane. If you don't want to say it, or you're not confident in it, then you shouldn't have to say it, right.
And they wanted to pack the shoot the way they thought a parachute should be packed.
And if it doesn't work, then you guys can.
It's really like someone who's watched surgery, who wants to cut. It's. It's so dumb, it's so dumb. They don't know what they're doing, and they their instincts are almost always wrong.
And if they're lucky, they find someone who's really good, who can kind of work around their nonsense and still create a quality show. But a lot of the times, it just gets in the way so much that you you get like 60, 70 of what you could have had.
Yeah, and you got to come, you got to also hope that you get that. The audience overwhelms the network, meaning South Park got off to a hot start.
Well, South Park was South Park before comedy Central was comedy Central, right?
Yeah, they made a video.
They were a little wilder. Back then, Comedy Central was kind of the Renegade, you know, and then South Park became so undeniable. You had to just leave them alone. They were so good.
You just had to go, just shut the fuck up and leave them alone.
Yeah, and that kind of has to happen. Yeah, so like, and it kind of happened with Chappelle's show pretty quickly, like after the blind white Supremacist, there was first episode.
Today they were kind of like, Oh, and then the ratings were good, so they kind of didn't. They tried to meddle, but they kind of their heart wasn't in it.
It hit a cultural landmark. Yeah, it hit, it, hit this thing where Chappelle's show was the show. It's like, When is it on? when is it on again?
Yeah, Where's the Man? show? was more like, Ah, yeah, doing pretty good. I think maybe we can help it somehow. Yeah, or there it's. You kind of either want to, you need to, if you, you just have to succeed a big way and then they'll stop.
Yeah, they. It has to be so undeniable that they have to get out of the way. And you have to actually say that you got to get out of the way. Like, leave us alone if you don't leave us alone.
Yeah, if you don't leave us alone, we're not going to do it and that's the only way to do it. It's like, that format is just so limiting, and you know, that format was all that existed.
And that was the essential format for television, it was the only way to do it. You had commercials, you had an 8pm time slot. this is all simple, you have 44 minutes with commercials.
Do it.
What would you do if you were the owner of NBC Universe? You know what I mean, like, I don't know what these companies should do. Comedy Central is basically a production company now.
Like, they don't.
Yeah, well, they're doing the right thing, I think, in switching to streaming, right? So it's just a matter of being able to get enough quality stuff on streaming and get people over there. So they're gonna have to shell out a lot of money for big properties.
And they've done that with, like, you know, Disney's done that and Paramount's done that. And a few of these viable streaming platforms have managed to make, like, really good shows and put them on streaming, and they can still do that. You know, like there's shows like Shogun, you know, which is just fucking so good, but you know, it exists in both.
It exists in streaming and on television, and they kind of make it for that. You know, you still have the commercial breaks, but when you watch on streaming, you just get the full episode.
Yeah, I also think there's probably very little input from advertisers, meaning if something's popular, people will just want to advertise on it. They won't give a shit what the message is.
It family hour. Does this line up with Procter and Gamble's values or any of that shit? It's just like, Yeah, we are their eyeballs, let's go.
Yeah, but even then, I mean, there's people that try to push back. Even against Shogun, there was this thing about, like wiring their own Black people on Shogun. Well, what do you think it's about? It's about Japan?
It's like, What are you talking about? It's about Japan in the 1600s, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is exactly what it is.
Yeah, I hope that didn't get very far.
No, it doesn't get far, but it's like they try. And that's the indicative of the kind of pressures that those people feel behind the scenes. Because behind the scenes, it's all a bunch of grifters, it's all a bunch of network executive grifters that are all just working a DEI angle.
And they're trying to make like, where's the diversity? I mean, how many times you had pitches where you bring it in, they're like, where's the diversity?
Like, I don't have that problem because I generally come with a diverse. yeah, I am Mr. white diversity, but like, I hear you.
Yeah, and yeah, I don't. The the DEI behind the scenes shit, I think that they're just they're scared, they're just scared. There's just like, What's the latest priority culturally?
So they go like, we have to service that priority, or I'm going to get in some kind of trouble.
100%.
And they don't know, they don't, they're just blowing in the wind.
And they're so expendable. You can move network executives around like chess pieces, just move them around like chess, yeah, not even chess pieces. Yeah, it's not even tic-tac-toe.
Yeah, just move them along, they don't matter, they really don't matter, and basically anybody could do that job. As long as you have good quality television, as long as the people that are making it, you know, the the Paul Sims of the world, the people that make really good shows, just leave them the fuck alone.
And they'll make great.
Well, yeah, that's the thing I was gonna say. It's like, my standards are higher than yours.
Well, you actually.
I want to bomb less than you do, right? I'm more. I don't want this to go poorly. I understand that it's because they're basically backseat drivers.
They kind of are like, extra like, overcranked, yeah. But like, you know, I'm worried, I'm more worried than you. I'm again jumping out of the plane.
Yeah, let me pack the parachute. Yeah, that's. That's why, that's not why they moved to L.A.
Well, they also want to make their mark on everything. Yeah, that's exactly right. They want to jizz in the soup every chance they can.
There was a thing I remember on when we were doing half-baked, I wanted to do. I wanted to say, Hey, let us do what we want. And then at the end, we'll pass around a hat. And you guys can take credit for something like, Oh, the title, okay, that's not bad. Oh, the cat.
Like, just take, we just let us do the fucking thing, right, but that's they want to do the fucking thing. Yeah, always.
They want you to get started, you you get the started. And then I'll come in and be a producer, I'll be my what I imagined a producer was. Yeah, and they did, but they don't have any original, I mean, but the goodness is. But you kind of defeated them.
I mean, podcasts, YouTube, etc. It's like they're on there, it's hard not to kind of curb, stomp them.
Well, it's just they almost can't compete with the instantaneous access, the free access. You can get it anywhere, get it on your phone, get it on a tablet, get it on your computer, you get it anywhere, and it's available anytime you want it. You can pause it.
You can leave, you don't have to wait for a time slot, you can watch all of them when they come out. It's just that that format that exists, like the Netflix format of releasing the entire season of show, you can't compete with that.
People love that, they love binging, they love it, they they love the fact that it's available anytime you want it, they love the fact there's no commercials.
All that shit is just they're just trapped. And if I was a network executive, if I was at the top of the food chain, I would be really thinking like, is there another way to do this? Does it have to be this way? Does it have to be commercial breaks, cause nobody watches those?
They're not good, they're not.
Funny, okay, but you? I've heard and I haven't experienced, cause I haven't made a show at Netflix. Other than Stand up. The. There are things that they they need you to hit certain shit by minute 10. Uh, the end of every episode has to be a cliffhanger.
Oh, really, that's what I've heard, I haven't experienced firsthand, but so so it's. As a you know, show creator, I wonder if there is a imperative to want it. You kind of want to know the with the information in terms of, like, when do people turn the shit off?
Right, when do it, will, will it? I heard something like, if they watch the first three, then they'll watch 10 like you have to. So they're like, front load, the first three with plot, character, maybe set. I don't even know what the so, I'm kind of talking out of my ass a little bit. But I do know that they have information, so it's a formula that they're, yeah.
That they want. It's like, you want people to watch your shit or not, like I, I I in my my new specials. 53 minutes. Cause I don't need it. I'd never. I've never been like, Oh, good.
It's an hour 20.
I it's never better longer to me and I 53 minutes is perfect. Yeah, um, uh, and I moved, jokes up.
I was like, that's a that joke, that's. It's like, when you do the live show. The first really big laugh, like in my live show, is probably at. I think it was at 11 and I so in in Netflix. I moved it up to like seven or eight. You know what I mean, like, like, the big, big, like, oh fuck, like a different energy laugh, yeah.
Move it up. That's weird, though, but I but I get it's a four, I'm d. I'm meeting them where they are, yeah.
Do you know what I mean? I know what you're saying? Yeah, but I don't feel like I'm selling myself out or like I'm the integrity of my act.
It's like, that's just how I did it, right. You're just formatting it for this very specific system. As opposed to a live show where you're like, setting things up and yeah, and at a live show they can't.
Go anywhere, they're there, they're there, they're invested at home, they can watch everything ever recorded.
Yeah, right, I'm competing with everything that's ever been made. The Godfather.
Yeah, can I beat the IS? It's better than the Godfather Apocalypse now.
Yep, heat, yep, that's.
All right, rocky, rocky, anything, all of it.
And every comedy, special, every one and norm, yep, and.
O.J. and Patrice Yeah, everything, yep.
All the old stuff, all the new stuff, everything all together. Yep, it's an insane time for your attention, like, just try to captivate people's attention now.
It's just it's an insane proposition, there's just so much available. Are you I?
Mean, what's funny is you kind of it's, you're not, it's not even the tortoise and the hare. You just haven't changed. You're just like, I don't know, I just talk for fucking three hours.
Well.
This is what I did in the beginning, so I just keep doing what I do. I do it because I like doing it this way. And in the beginning, like Ari was the first one, he was like, you gotta edit it.
You have to edit it. No one wants to listen to three hours. I'm like, then don't listen, it's that simple, I don't care.
I'm just going to do the best thing that I can do to do it how I feel like.
Doing it, and that's it, yeah, but you know, that doesn't work for most people, most of the.
Time. Most of the time it doesn't work, but it works. I'm not even, you know, it worked, but I'm.
Telling you like, Do you ever think about why? or do you even give a shit? Um, none of your.
Business I think if you think about why, you'll second guess your own instincts, yeah, and that's never good, yeah.
Cause they've been good to me so far. I know what I'm, I just stick with me, I know what I like. And if I'm actually genuinely interested in that thing, this subject, I think other people will as well. Like, if I bring on someone who's a beekeeper, I don't think, wow, that's going to be a big episode.
All I think is like, I'm interested in bees. I want to talk to someone who's really interested in bees, like, tell me what, how do you do it? What's going on?
What's that? what is your? Do you look at which episodes do well, or you just firewall it? None of?
Your business? none of my business. Yeah, I don't care, I don't pay attention.
I mean, I know, I hear, I hear this one's huge, this one's huge, whatever. I don't pay attention, I just this is what I'm interested in.
I want to talk to this guy. I had a mushroom, I had Paul Stamets on yesterday mushroom expert.
Amazing guys got his own protocol, I know that's his stuff right there. Host defense.
Is this psilocybin? No, no, no, that's agaricon and turkey tail, that's his immune stack that he uses. There's all sorts of medicinal mushrooms that have no psychoactive.
Effects And is any of this stuff proven? Yeah, yeah, there's peer reviewed studies.
Random controlled trials double blind, placebo controlled styles with Agaricon. Yeah, we talked about that yesterday, too. Yeah, he's a real scientist.
So what? The stuff that he does is very, very legit, and you know, he's also he's very diligent in the way he sources the mushrooms. They test them, find out which ones have efficacy, which ones don't, because you can have like. He was explaining that Agaricon. They've identified. He has 107 strains that he has personally, and out of those strains, they've identified at least four of them. That are like the most hyper beneficial, and they haven't tested them all.
But those four, then, that's the one they sell great, yeah. And then some of them are different from different things. Like some of them are better for Pox viruses, where other ones are better for RNA viruses.
It's very, very interesting, very interesting what they've done good. I mean, yeah, that's, you know.
This shit, it's, it's cool, it's. We have lived in a time with a good amount of change. Yeah, oh.
There's a lot of change, there's a lot of change going on, for better and worse. Yeah, I don't know how much worse. There's a lot of confusion, but I think ultimately there's more information and that's always better.
And there's more freedom of communication. Although there's a lot of attempts at restricting for freedom of communication, there's still more avenues of communication than there's ever been before. Which is almost always good. And and we've talked about this.
Before. But the trusting that people can, people can figure it out, yeah, well, they have to learn.
To figure it out, just like people had to learn what things to eat that are poison and what things are edible. You know, like, you have to learn that, and we have to learn that with information.
We have to learn that with everything, we have to learn that with styles of communication. We have to learn that with the. You know, people that are really shitty to people like that, people don't like that, that's not necessary.
And learn that, and we people need to learn that, and that's how you learn it. You learn it by watching people sort of get ahead, but just by being cunts and they don't want to go so far and the audience turns on them.
And then, you know, recognize that some people are just, you know, communicators, and you're just calm and nice. And that's better. And you could still get all the same information and still have interesting debates and conversations. You don't have to be a cunt.
Yeah, the the I cause I think about, I'm not very so I feel like you're paranoid or not paranoid, you're skeptical of control, right?
Yeah, and I tend, and I and I always go. Why am I not skeptical of control? Like, compared to you, or compared to like a guy like Dave, who's also very skeptical of any sort of authority or, or, uh, institution? And I think I was thinking, I'm so glad to not be under the Catholic Church anymore, that everything is better to me.
Like the government, I don't give a fuck, like, I truly don't. Apple, you want to listen in good?
I don't give a shit, you can't send me to hell, so I don't even care if you overhear me. I don't I. Just this is better than the way I grew up.
Right, even, uh, and then I'm, but I am. I'm skeptical, it's, it's one of those yin yang things where I'm skeptical of too much, uh, information, chaos. You know it, it, it really. I'm sure this will be probably the balance of the next at least 20.
Years. Well, information chaos is also engineered, and that's one thing to take into consideration that information chaos is not always organic. I agree.
But and then what about that, if, if, if?
You know, Russia, China are are enemies in quotes. Wink wink, whatever. Yep, like, what, you know if somebody, somebody dave made a point that if you're, if a country has racial divisions anyway, and then, and then an outside actor, so, you know, foments them. It's the country's fault for having them in the first place. And it's like, Yeah, but that's kind of bullshit. Cause like, if there's a marriage that is having trouble and then someone comes in and fucks with it, that's the outside person's fault.
That because the married people want it to be good. Do you know what I mean? Like, America is going to have conflict naturally, and I think it's natural to have that, and it's okay to have that.
And we need to figure that out. But the once the outside actor comes in, I still blame the outside actor for fomenting and that's, and I feel the same way with the information. Stuff like, I'm, I'm with you. In terms of like, we do need freedom, but I still blame the outside actor for coming in, creating more chaos.
I think it's an unavoidable evil. If you're going to have freedom, you're going to have the freedom of bots, you're going to have the freedom of people. That hire people in these troll farms, where they have thousands and thousands of accounts and they just push different narratives and they get involved. You know, we had Renee Diresta on once, who studied this? And one of the things that she studied about? What are the things that Russia had done during the 2016 election? was the creation of memes.
And some of them were really funny, and they were memes that were very specifically designed to push certain narratives and make fun of certain things. And that they had made so many accounts, thousands and thousands of accounts, they had actually organized a Texas Secession meeting across the street from another.
I know that shit was, it's so like Monty Python.
A Muslim meeting? Yeah, they wanted these people to be fighting with each other, and they do that online constantly. There's so many times. Well, I'll see something that's contentious, something that's socially, something that's like, very explosive.
And then I'll look in the comments and I'll see some outrageous statements. And it's like a couple of letters and a number for the account, and I'll click on the account and I'll go into it. Oh, it's a fake account. How many of those are there? There's fucking hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
There's an F.BI analyst that did an estimation, and he thinks that there's 80. He thinks 80 of the Twitter accounts that are in circulation, at least at the time, were trolls.
And so that would be part of the information chaos that I'm a bit like. This is going to be bad, it's bad now, and it's probably only going to get worse with AI and all that shit. And I don't, but I don't know what the. I don't know if we talked about this. But like, if there was a governing body, you know, let's say like, let's say over all of social media, sort of morality or whatever, or ethics. Who would you even put on it?
You can't, it can't be done, it can't be done because the government can't be trusted because they're doing it.
Right, but let's say the people elected it. Do you know what I mean, if there was a way to get right, get around the government?
It's not possible.
For instance, like who who? Jon Stewart.
Yeah, but they would, people would have access to that, like Jon Stewart couldn't talk about China on Apple, so he left, he left. Yeah, it doesn't work.
No, I'm with you, that's that's corporate. I'm saying, like, who are even...?
I think the solution is more complex, the solution is technology ramped up to a point where lying is impossible, and I think that is going to be tight. You're going to be able to have opinions, but lying about specific facts, I think is going to be far more difficult. With widespread use of AI, and also when people have universal ability to translate languages instantaneously.
Right now, it's a little clunky. You could read tweets and you could say, translate the tweet, you can. You can do things like that, but you don't necessarily know what the fuck is going on. When it's universal, when you're going to have instantaneous translation into that, you're going to. It's going to be far more difficult to deceive people. When you have instantaneous access to AI, which is as long as the AI is not biased, which we've seen, AI is programmed, and the Google AI. You know, founding fathers....
We talked about this like eight years ago when I pitched a robo president, and then it became, if there's a robo, if there's an AI president, then it's. The thing that's going to be argued about is what information are we loading in?
Right, right. And what are the values that the AI has like? Is the values for the human race? is the values for New York City? is the value for the country in general? Yeah.
What is the values and what is its imperative? Like, what is it trying to do? Yeah, but the thing is like, that's rudimentary AI as AI scales up and gets far more advanced. And it's going to happen very quickly, it's going to bypass all that stuff.
And it's going to come up with some sort of a moral, ethical foundation that everybody is going to have to operate under. That's good. It's going to be very weird, Neil, and it's going to be very weird, very quickly, very quickly.
I totally agree with you. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I mean, in some ways, whenever I hear about AI, I'm like, Help us AI, come and see when they're like, it may obliterate us.
I'm like, but if it doesn't, please help us AI, please help us get out of all this garbage we've gotten ourselves into.
Yeah, it could both help us and obliterate us. It's going to be a wild ride, it's going to be a wild ride.
When do you think it'll be?
Four years at the most, in four years we're fucked. In four years everything's tossed, everything's fucked. I mean, there's so many things that we kind of like, let slide today that you're not going to be able to let, like congressional insider trading slide.
It's going to be a real problem. You're not going to be able to have bills where you have a border funding bill that also has funding for Ukraine. Like, there's all that kind of stuff is going to have to go by the wayside.
Do you think AI will prevent that? Yeah, how come?
Well, because people will be able to analyze everything about every bill instantaneously. It's not going to be as simple as you know, you have to sit down and read a 2000 page bill. It's going to be AI is going to break it down, and it's also going to break down who the people are that propose the bill.
And then also what the influences these people have in terms of who their donors are. And you're going to get like very specific breakdowns of what all these things are, and people will be far more informed.
I my feeling on that is that people are, in some ways, are informed and we're all kind of powerless to change it.
There's a little bit of that right now.
You know what I mean, like citizens united, or like dark money, or astroturfing, or or, or pork and bills, or tying things together, or emergency. It's just all this shit of, like, how the fuck are we supposed to even move the needle at all as people, right at all?
It's, it seems, impossible, the way the shit's set up.
Yeah, um, it does now.
And I don't, and AI doesn't seem like, Oh, I don't think that. I don't think the problem is a lack of understanding, I think the problem is a. It's the system set up so that it's the only way to get a law made is like getting a building named it. You got to have 10 million bucks.
Yeah, there's a little bit of that going on, too. I mean, it's. There's no way to run for president unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars backing it, which is just insane. It's insane. And money and politics.
There's no way to run for Senate. Yeah, without without a hundred, you know, a hundred.
Right, you're getting a job, it's $150,000 a year.
And you're spending people in the primary have a hundred.
Yeah.
Sweetie.
And then that's, yeah, it's like Nikki Haley that had no chance of being president at hundreds of millions of dollars.
Yeah, and that's just like, Oh, fourth runner up.
Yeah.
Congratulations. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, and I don't, and that's one of the things where, like, how does AI help us? Supreme Court's locked in for as long as they live. Fucking insane, yeah.
Until you die a star like a sci-fi star Chamber Until you die. Wow, that's a horrible idea.
It's not even dependent upon whether or not your ideas are, even they even make sense. Like you see Katenji Brown Jackson, who? They asked her what a woman is, and she said, I'm not a biologist, yeah.
Right, but you're a woman like, maybe take a crack at that.
You know, what's funny is because you're, you go more right? You go to her and I'm thinking, Alito, you go, did you see what's whatever Alito goes?
Well, I'm just talking about one specific thing, that's ridiculous. If you ask me what a man is, I can tell you what a man is, and I'm not a biologist either, but I am a man.
Yep, uh, yeah, so the I do worry about. To me, it's not even a lack of information. Sometimes it's a lack of information. I mostly think it's rigged against the people.
It's rigged against the citizens to not have any say in any of this shit.
It definitely is somewhat. But you also do need someone who actually understands the law to withhold the constitution, to uphold it, and to make sure that, like, you don't pass. Things that do violate very core tenants of how our society is structured. What did Alito do that?
Oh, I don't know, I've just as a liberal, I'm just like, it seems like those guys want to like, get.
I'm pretty liberal, I'm just liberal, what a liberal used to be.
Right, you know, that's what I'm saying, you learn more, lean more, right, I learned.
I don't even lean more right, I lean more center, which is right now. Yeah, it's just it's so. The left has gone to so far to the left, it's gone so far into this strange territory, bizarre land of cult-like thinking.
It's, uh, it's driven by the it's sort of everyone's afraid of upsetting.
Uh, the. It's the tyranny of the minority. No one can say, Hey, do me a favor, shut the fuck up. Or we're going to lose all of this. If we make this about just your minor grievance or issue, we're going to lose the whole thing. But they, it becomes about the various, you know, di, or transgender or whatever. All these things that are that are not unimportant, but they're just not the most important. And no, you're not allowed to say to someone anymore.
Your shit is not the most important thing because of whatever, the egomania of our culture. Everyone's issue is the number one issue. And it's like, No, it's the number one issue for you. But it's not the number one issue for half of the population of the country.
Well, it's also the thing is, if you oppose any of these protected ideas, you'll get you get attacked. Yeah, you get attacked and labeled as the worst thing possible.
Yeah, whatever that is when you're in, when you agree with them in 99 of other issues, but they because it's, they just prioritize. It's just this thing of, like, No, this is. It's like the kids playing soccer, where it's just running a bunch of. This is the most important thing, and it's like, is this really? And then you can't go, the fuck are you talking about?
Do you have to go? Yes? Uh, I honor you have to start bowing, and I honor you have to do the Nancy Pelosi down on a knee with the Kente club. It's like, No, that's an important issue, it can't be the. it might not be the most important issue.
And then they go, well, then we're not, we're going to withhold our vote. Oh, really, you're a fucking child and you don't understand the way politics work if you're going to withhold your vote because of one issue.
Yeah.
Uh, and it happens, oh, and it's just, and it's also a revolving thing of. Like, we're going to withhold because of Israel, we're going to withhold because of transgender, we're going to withhold because of DEI, we're going to withhold. Uh, on and on and on and on.
Yeah, and it's as someone who is on their side. It's a bit like, Oh, please shut the fuck up because you're going to blow this for all of us.
Well, each party becomes captured by the most extreme versions of it. Yeah, you look at the right. the right gets captured by, you know, what people think of the right. The thing like Proud boys or something like that, yeah.
I think of the Or guns just got, yeah.
The left, they think of, or now, abortion.
Yeah, yeah.
There's always something, there's always something that's ridiculous.
And there are, and then you. And then it turns out that, like the Republican stats on abortion are, like, 55 of Republicans think abortion should be legal. You know what I mean? And it's like, Well, then how the fuck did they? Because it's, you know, it's almost like they did, it's. They always say about removing. They're like the dog who caught the car, you know, like they, they. They use, uh, abortion as a, you know, driving issue, thinking like, it'll never happen. And then they it happened, they're like, Oh, fuck.
Yeah.
Okay, I guess it's, I guess Arizona goes. Okay, we're going back to 1864 or whatever. It's a law from the 1800s that they upheld two days ago.
Well, it's always interesting how ignorant people are about the West, the rest of the world, too. Like, I'm going to Europe, where women have the right to choose, well, go to France because they have a limitation there too. It's like, I think it's a national limitation.
Also, try to get a try to get a citizenship. How are you going to do that? How are you gonna do it? Look it up once, but they haven't looked it up. I've been doing a joke about how American women are like, American men are the worst.
And I'm like, Oh, who do you think's coming? who do you? who's coming? Italian guys? First of all, they're bringing their moms, that's A and B. You're going to have to start cooking dinner at 2.15 every afternoon.
I hope you're happy.
Well, that's the least of your worries. Sharia law.
I mean, that's the ultimate punchline. It's like, Middle Eastern guys, I'm not even going to finish this joke because it's they don't have the best sense of humor about about their yeah. But if you look up like, look up genital mutilation, it's really grim. In terms of the what these other guys are out here doing. Ladies not like us American hero men, No, but it is, it really is like a pretty people.
Don't look it up, they just they like sulking.
Yeah, but also there's so many issues that most people are just not informed. They just know what their side goes with, and so they adhere to whatever the whatever the doctrine is.
I was, I remember looking up abortion laws worldwide four or five years ago and be like, Oh, it wasn't as like blanket as I thought.
Well, Burr had the best bid on that. I think you should have the right to choose, but I also think you're killing a baby.
Yeah, yeah, uh-huh.
I mean, at a certain point in time, it is a baby, so the question is who gets to decide?
That's the whole thing of when, cause I did a joke like, I, you know, liberals have to support everybody, not fetuses. And and the New York Times wrote me up like, I just saw Neil Brennan do it, sort of anti-abortion joke. And it was like joining Bill Burr and George Carlin, and I was like, Are you trying to insult me?
Cause thank you for that fucking, uh barbed insult. But but yeah, like the even knowing when, even if you go, no, I believe it doesn't start. It's all sort of, ah, scientists like the heartbeat or the fetal, whatever. It's all a bit like, you're all guessing, yeah, and I will. Also, I'll admit I'm guessing it's just which guess, uh, suits my needs.
Do you know what I mean, like, if I'm if I got a girl that I'm not trying to be with? Who's who's, uh, who's pregnant, who's who's periods? Late? I'm, like, I believe in abortion to the fifth trimester, like I believe in it late. Whereas if I'm, if I'm, you know, not. If I'm 65 and can't get somebody or whatever, probably can't get someone 65 or whatever, whatever age. There is no.
Age of Uh, Al Pacino just had a kid. Al Pacino is 80 years old.
Yeah.
And he also wanted to make sure the kid was his, which is like a great way to start.
Somebody I know was doing pickup at school with with De Niro.
Like recently, it was just like, Yeah, I can't believe you're still doing this.
Well, isn't this as like, I mean, how many times has he been married? These guys just did just dive right back in.
Yeah, I've never understood that, I've never understood that. Need, like, Rupert Murdoch just did it. I think Murdoch just got engaged.
I think they're just comfortable with having a partner and they just don't want to exist in this weird state where they're texting people and calling people. Especially when you're in your seventies, you know you're trying to hook up.
Don't get me wrong, it's humiliating.
Right, I bet, if you're a 70 year old, famous guy and you get divorced, I bet, I bet. It's probably pretty easy to find someone new who, like, plays the role, and probably pretty easy to get duped pretty.
Yeah, cause they know like the time is on my if I'm the girl, my time. I just got to ride this baby out, yeah.
All you have to do is just be the right person that this guy needs for a small amount of time. And you don't have to work ever, ever again, ever. Like, if you're a person who's running around, they're scratching out 60, 70 grand a year and barely getting by. And then you hook up with Robert de Niro.
And in order to change your life, you just have to need to. You need to stand in Robert de Niro's eyeline with what my friend calls available sexual energy.
Yeah, available sexual energy and just be nice, just be nice to him, that's all he needs, just talk to him.
You're candy striping.
Yeah, you just don't. You don't have to work hard, so don't be offensive, don't be rude, don't don't fuck with them.
Don't insult them, don't play the same games that you'd play with a 30 year old guy that doesn't have any money. nope, play, play a different game.
If he doesn't text you back, it's because he doesn't know how to text Sweetie, because he's a fucking old dude.
Or he can't, he doesn't have his glasses, so he can't see what you wrote him.
A lot of this, yep, that's. The sad part about being our age is anytime I go look at this meme, all my friends have to put glasses on and start holding, just like.
Christ fucking humiliation.
You can mitigate some of that. Um, there's a, there's a. There's certain vitamins that you could take that stop macular degeneration. um, Pure encapsulations has a macular support formula.
But does it work legit?
Yeah, it stopped, it, stopped it for me.
For you.
Yeah, totally stopped it, totally stopped it.
You were like, Do you wear glasses?
I can, yeah, I read, I wear, I wear glasses when I write. you know, I wear reading glasses when I write. But I can look at my phone. No problem, I can read websites.
No, did it get better or just stopped?
Got a little better, yeah, little better. With red light to red light therapy, you have a red light bed that I lay in.
And that do you are your eyes open, yeah.
Yeah, keep your eyes open.
And, uh, you're laying in a bed.
Yeah, it's just staring at red lights, just chilling. Usually I just listen to books.
Yeah, I would like to do that, cause it's it gets, it's worse, it just gets. It's such a bummer.
Ari got surgery, he got lasix on his eyes, and then his eyes got worse. After the surgery, they got better.
That can happen sometimes, right?
You have the natural course of macular degeneration that takes place as you age. So his eyes were great at first, like, this is great. I don't have to wear glasses anymore. And then a couple of years later, five, six, seven years later, starts getting really shitty again, and it's just they go, Yeah, that's just yeah.
I think that happened to Bill Maher, too. It got worse, he couldn't, he kept getting lasix.
I maybe I'm remembering this wrong. And then at a certain point they're like, we can't lasix you and you just have to wear glasses.
That's scary. Getting more and more eye surgeries is fucking terrifying.
Yeah, that's, that's probably the the one that makes you wince the most, cause those those videos.
It doesn't go well every time, like there's certain times where people get infections or it just doesn't heal.
Or you just your eyes are fucked, you have a halo around lights and shit.
Oh yeah, I have a friend who can't drive at night, he got lasix and now he can't drive at night.
I think I I would murder the doctor if that happened to me.
He was so upset because he's like I could have driven at night and just worn glasses when I had to read things. He goes Now I can't drive at night. Cause if he headlights see him, it's just like he's blinded by halos, he can't see around the circle. Like he doesn't know where the car is, where the headlight is.
He just sees this circle of light that surrounds things like headlights and streetlights, just terrible.
Um, yeah, I don't that would. That would make me, so that would make me feel so sorry for myself if I went for surgery and was, like, worse off.
Yeah, that's a problem with some surgeries, and the problem with surgeons is that. You know, when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail, and you know, that's the only solution.
I mean, yeah, that's most, you know, I've had a bunch of surgeries that.
I avoided where doctors are like, you're going to need surgery? and I was like, Are you fucking sure? like, Are you sure?
Knees, shoulders, shoulders is a big one.
Yeah, I wound up getting stem cells in my back. I had a bulging discs and they're like, you got to get that trimmed. And I was like, Are you sure that's the only way to do it?
It's not the only way to do it. Spinal decompression stem cells fixed it. I have zero problems. yeah, zero problems with my neck.
Zero problems with my shoulder I had a full length rotator cuff tear in my shoulder. And they were like, you're going to need surgery a hundred percent. And I went back to the doctor six months later. It's like, This is fucking crazy.
Like that, that tear doesn't exist anymore.
What did you do?
Stem cells, yeah.
And direct into it.
Direct into it, yeah.
And all was it. Did you have to go far? did. Was it just like local?
I did it in A. well, I did it in Vegas, and I did it in L.A. I did it several times. I think I did three injections in my shoulder and then six months later, I got another MRI. And they're like, you don't have a tear anymore.
The doctor was blown away cause this was all, you know, we're talking about. I think my injury was like 2015, 2016, somewhere around then. So this was all fairly recent. In terms of. Like, the amount of results, the kind of results that they were getting, and this doctor had never seen anything like it. He was blown away.
He'd been an orthopedic surgeon for 20 years.
Did you have to do anything? did you have to rehab it?
Yeah, I did re, I did regular rehab, like once I got the surgery, I did like I did a lot of rehabs.
But you're trying to bring back, what do you bring in?
You're regenerating tissue, you're regenerating tissue.
Can rehab help you with that, or is that just a stem cell?
It strengthens it, I think the the rehab with the stem that the key is. It's like not injuring it while you're healing. And the problem is, it starts feeling better. And then you start pushing and then you re-aggravate the injury, and then you're in this repetitive cycle. But if you can avoid that, like, Um, my friend Shane Dorian is a big wave surfer. And he got serious stem cells down in Tijuana, where they could do wild shit, and he got his entire back done.
So they put them under and they do every disc in his back and they're like, you can't do anything. Like, you can only walk for, like, a couple of months, like, that's all you could do. And for a guy like him, who's a world champion surfer, and he's an athlete and he's always exercising, he's always doing something that was crazy. Just not all you could do is walk.
But now he feels fucking incredible, and it's just months later.
And he has the back of a 20, his old back.
Well, it's definitely a lot better than it used to be. Yeah, you know, and that's the key to these things. And if you were allowed to do those in America, like you're allowed to do those overseas, I think you'd see remarkable improvements. But the problem is, then you have orthopedic surgeons who don't want this to happen. And they'll try to tell you not to do it. Because if more people do it, they start telling more people to do it.
People are going to avoid surgeries and they're going to be out of a job.
There's one of these in, Uh, Jimmy, if you bring this up, there was there's a. There's a film that they can put on teeth that will basically just prevent cavities forever. Really, yeah, I saw it, like, three weeks ago.
There's like a a microscopic film, invisible you'd like. They like, kind of paint it on. They want to do it on kids. Uh, like, uh, low income kids, and uh, and the it will again. Maybe I misread it, Jimmy. If you look it up, um, I haven't heard of that.
That's crazy, no, it's a new thing, but there are. And I'm not even. I mean, I, I am conspiracy minded in terms of like, yeah, people will try to prevent that, but I wonder which ones they'll let through.
Well, if there's money in painting people's kids with that stuff, they might let it through. The scariest one is fluoride, the fluoride in the water thing is bananas, because they're like, Oh, it prevents tooth decay. It also fucking causes a drop in IQ. That's absolutely measurable.
If you could see the difference between the amount of fluoride in a water and the amount of the the drop in IQS in that area, it's there's a direct correlation.
It's, but it's in, like, a lot of countries.
Fluoride is a weird one, man, because there's a lot of, like, very credible scientists that would point to the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxin. It's not good for you at all, and they're like, Oh yeah, but in small doses. But fucking says who, says who, and for what purpose? The way I pointed out, it's like, say, if someone gets skin cancer and you say, Okay, well, we're going to put sunscreen in all the apples. Well, hey, hold the fuck on, how about just brush your fucking teeth?
Why do you have to put that shit in the water? So every time I cook spaghetti, I have fluoride in my fucking spaghetti. Like, what are we doing?
Like, Yeah, I mean, I don't I. I'm curious because I looked this up recently because I've. What I've heard is the amount of fluoride that makes it toxic is like just a huge amount. It's like the dog eating chocolate thing, they would look up how much chocolate a dog has to eat to kill it. Yeah, it's like half its body weight or something.
It's like, it's a huge amount, and I what I remember is that in order for Florida to be toxic, it's got to be, um, a major amount, right?
But there's a correlation between high levels of fluoride in water and low IQS. There's, we don't really know, and it's developmental cycle of a child that you're interfering with. So if you take children and you give them this neurotoxin and you. You have it in the water to prevent them from getting cavities, and you literally lower their IQ. Which it seems possible.
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know how they came to the decision. Reason to do it.
There's no reason to do it, it's stupid. Cavity fighting liquid prevents 80 of cavities, finds largest U. s study. New treatment uses silver diamine fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities.
I should have never brought it.
Well, it's a surface thing, though, you're not covering.
Well, it's stuck in your mouth, though.
I think you're not drinking it.
What's it, what's it saying?
Dental cavities are distressing sensation that, if left untreated, can result in terrifying pain, swelling and relentless night restless nights. Team of researchers in New York University identified a cavity fighting solution that is both effective and affordable. New treatment uses silver diamine fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities and even shields the existing ones from getting worse. So that doesn't really prevent you from getting cavities, like stops cavities.
Didn't it just say it prevents cavities? Well, it says it an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities.
But it does. It cover the teeth and prevents future cavities.
I believe, I believe, maybe in the next paragraph, it'll say that.
Uh, it's quicker to apply and less expensive than sealant, so it seems like they're doing it on cavities, prevent and arrest cavities, reducing the need for drilling and filling. So they can prevent cavities on people that don't have cavities. And then they can fill the cavities with this stuff and prevent them from getting worse. Dental cavities are prevailing, concerns Centers for Disease Control.
But doesn't just brushing your fucking teeth prevent cavities?
Yeah, yes, I don't have cavities, I have.
I haven't had cavities since I was a little kid, I just brushed my teeth.
Thank you, Fluoride. I don't think that's tonight's episode that Joe wrote.
I don't use fluoride in my home.
Is that true?
Yeah, yeah, I, I try to avoid fluoride wherever possible, I just.
You live with, I mean, but the first half of your life was all was you were riddled with fluoride.
I'm sure I got it.
Until a couple, until you moved here.
I used to use fluoride teeth. No, even when I lived in L.A. No, that's not true. I never drank water out of the tap.
You had your own well.
Interesting, it's fucking terrible for you. It smells bad, it smells like chemicals. And even if it's like, mostly okay, it's like, why are you doing that to yourself?
Like, have you ever, like, seen any of the studies on fluoride?
And the ones I saw were just like, it's pretty minor, the ones I've seen.
It's not necessarily minor, it's poison and it's not necessary. There's no reason for it. And it seems like there's a lot of money tied into fluoride fluoridating drinking water.
Look up countries that fluorinate their fluoridize, fluorify, fluoridate their water. Um, cause it's I looked it up. Yeah, I looked it up. So if we're all have bad IQS, it's fine. Did you watch the Uh, Synanon thing?
The one that there's a HBO documentary about this, it's really you'll really like it. It's like it's called Synanon. It was like a group, it was a bit of a, it's, it was a cult.
And then they they. It started out as like kind of a self help, as like a 12 step fellowship. It's the classic. Then it became a cult. Then the leader goes crazy. I'm on it.
It's only episode two, but it really does follow, like the the the thing of, like every cult. At some point, the leader goes, Hey, I spoke to God and he needs me to fuck all your wives.
Sorry guys. SYNANON Yeah, what is it about? It's also it's an old cult.
It's from the Seventies, yeah, the golden age, the late started in the sixties, went into the Seventies starts in black and white.
Yeah.
It's on HBO Max or whatever, everyone shaves their heads, it's fucking right up your alley. Uh, like, it's, Yeah, there's the guy.
Yeah.
They have audio of him screaming at them.
An attack against Synanon was attack against them.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's custom made for you.
That's crazy.
I've literally never been on for it, just came out last week. Um, oh, I, I have a thing in my in my new, uh, Netflix about where I'm talking about you. I'm talking to him, I'm talking about the outsize role that. Um, you know, because corporation corporate leaders have been are basically piece of shit. apologists are a piece of shit.
Clergy, moms, pastors are piece of shit. Now, somehow, it's all become like, Well, what are the clowns think now? It's up to the now, it's up to comedians to be the moral arbiters. And it's you, Dave. I mentioned Ellen, I mentioned Kevin Hart, I mentioned just all these people. That's like, Why are you?
Guys can sit. I mean, I know why, cause it's just everyone else couldn't do it. And comedians have opinions. And, like, Carlin was moral sometimes.
Uh, John Stewart is moral, you know, but I don't. But it's one of these things is like, it shouldn't be up to us guys.
Right?
We're like, we shouldn't be the backstop, weren't? We shouldn't be the moral backbone of America.
Well, one of the rare people, the rare groups of people that are allowed to speak freely.
Yeah.
And that's what it is. It's like, we're the one, as long as we could find an angle where it's funny.
Well, that's the thing is, people are mad, it's like on here, people get mad at you for not being. Uh, reading the talking points of the National Institutes of Health, you know what I mean, like, what are the? I never understand what people want you to be?
Like, what do you walk me through this? where Joe says everything you want him to say?
It's not possible.
It's also not, it's not a show anymore, right?
But you also, you can't make everyone happy, it's impossible. Yeah. And if you try to operate in this world where you're trying to make people happy versus just trying to be honest, you're fucked, you're fucked.
You're fucked from the jump, there's no way to do that, it's not possible. You won't be you anymore, you will be compromised.
Yeah, you know, I mean, I feel that about so many things. I feel that about reading comments. I don't think you should read comments.
I, I don't, I think that it's, it's a it's been a detriment to. Certainly like public comment or what, whatever we do, whatever like public speaking to. Because it really does kind of you think about, like, well, what are they going to? What's the worst thing you could possibly say about what I'm thinking of saying, right? And it's a bad way to approach things. It's also people that are deeply dishonest and deeply unhappy, and deep, yeah.
Like they did with your joke about abortion, like, Oh, he's just a grifter, he's a pro abortion grifter. Trying to get that right wing money instead of just trying to make a point. But everyone's trapped, they're trapped in these ideological bubbles, and they don't know what to do.
And it's a if you keep reading the comments on that bubble, you will stay trapped, you will stay trapped. You're, you're fucked. You have to be, you have to be able to think freely and express yourself freely. And you can be wrong, and if you're wrong, you have to be able to admit you're wrong.
And you have to be able to say why you're wrong and why you thought this, and why you think differently now. And that's just a function of being an honest human being, and it's possible to do. But god damn, that is a white water rafting trip that is fucking filled with rocks. Yeah, there's like there's bears catching salmon on your phone.
It's, it's crazy.
Scrape your fucking face, yeah.
It's scary, it's scary.
How do you like, do you, do you monitor yourself at all? Do you know what I mean? Like, do you have you had? Have you gone like, Boy, this is getting pretty, this is getting pretty. Uh, this megaphone's getting pretty big. You're having to hire a lot of security at your live shows. You know what I mean?
Like, just I'm assuming, like the bigger the venues are getting bigger, there's just more. Does it ever go?
Uh, does it? I mean, it's gotta be validating for you as a person, right? You gotta be like, Oh, I must've, I kinda, I must've done some shit, right? And then does it make you, uh, police yourself? Do you go like, let me really try to be?
I think it makes you you. You definitely have to be more clear with what you think and why you think it, instead of just shooting off the cuff, which I definitely used to do a lot when I was younger. I'd have an idea in my head and I just run with it, and then I'd try to defend that idea.
But even the fluoride thing, right? Yeah, what we just talked about, that's the same conversation we would have had 10 years ago, sure.
Right, yeah, does it? Do you now think of how do you go? I have to know what studies are, what and if that's a true. And it's been, uh, you know, replicated, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Or is it still kind of the same? Like, Yeah, I think I read that, the same thing we all do generally, which is like, Yeah, I read that, or I heard that or whatever.
Well, it's been a while, but I've read multiple studies.
No, no, yeah.
But I'm saying to multiple experts, if I didn't, I would say, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I know, I'm not sure. But fluoride is not healthy.
It's not a good thing to take. I'm just wondering about your process.
That's one of those ones where I can just say that, yeah, but then there's other things where it's like a vegan diet. I know people that do it, I know people that have pulled it off.
It's possible to do it. Hey, you look like, shit, No, I'm just kidding. You look all right. You look thin and healthy. But you can do it if you supplement carefully and you're a smart guy.
You know what to eat and what not to eat.
And I can get my blood tested.
Yeah, you get vitamin D, you have money, you can do all the things that you do to make sure that you're okay, and it absolutely can be done. I know people that eat a vegan diet, and I also think there's biodiversity, there's some people their ancestry is very different.
Their their genetics are very different, and they're they're much more vegan diet is more tolerable for them. Like Indian people, Indian people have been eating vegetarian food for so fucking long. You know? I would imagine that their body, their genes, have adapted if they've come from a long line of vegetarians.
Yeah, like, they're kind of stuck with vegetable, and they're, you know, they're kind of.
Stuck with, or they figured it out.
They have it, their body has figured if they're whatever it was deficient in, it's figured out a way around it by what was available to them, right?
But when we look at countries that consume more meat, they they're healthier and they live longer. Hong Kong is a great example of that, so there's some great studies that have done, been done on Hong Kong. They have, like, one of the highest meat consumptions and higher life expectancies.
And but again, it's like, how long have they been doing it? And the blue zone or the like? A little bit of protein, yeah, that's it's. I guess what you're saying is the acknowledgement that, like, shit's complicated and there's no one right or wrong answer.
There's also things like healthy user bias, like the most important thing that pretty much most of the objective doctors will say, the most important thing is physical activity. And then if you are not physically active and you eat well, you're almost better off smoking cigarettes and being physically active. Than than than doing that.
By the way, this is always fascinating to me because I've been asking people, Do you know what percentage of people die smokers die of lung cancer?
What percentage?
10 to 15%.
That's crazy.
Isn't that low? That's crazy, wouldn't you think? It's like 60? That's great, it's 10 to and I. I've looked it up repeatedly.
Like, am I misreading this? The amount of smokers that die of lung cancer is 10 to 15%.
But do they die of other stuff?
Well, yeah, of course, comorbidities et cetera, et cetera.
But like smoking just in general, like you're limiting your oxygen intake, there's a lot of factors, yeah.
But it's not as bad as you don't, right?
You know what I mean, this? This one doctor that I was talking to that was very adamant about that he goes. Physical activity If you don't have physical activity, you might as well be a drinker and a smoker.
Yeah, you're fucked, and then there's also the loneliness thing.
Oh yeah, that's a big one, man. It's a big factor. What percentage of folks? Studies found the risk of developing lung cancer increases to 14 if you smoke cigarettes?
If you smoke one to five cigarettes per day, your risk is around 7.
7. And if you smoke more than 35 cigarettes a day, you have a 26 chance of develop. Well, that's a lot.
That's all 35 cigarettes, though.
By 80, it's like a whole lifetime of smoking 35.
What is that, a pack and a half?
Yeah, almost two.
Is two packs 40.
Yeah.
Wow.
26 is still only out of four.
Yeah, it's like, you're. Which, by the way, is the exact same. Number of F.D.A. drugs that get pulled 25 of all F.D.A. approved drugs get pulled because they've killed too many people.
Oh, right, when they're like, Oh fuck, we didn't test it good enough.
Yeah, whoopsies we, we believe those pharmaceutical drug companies, yeah, that was, that was the weird one for me during the pandemic was the trust in the pharmaceutical drug companies. And especially when I started talking to experts that actually spent their living litigating financial settlements for adverse effects of drugs.
And you find out that scientists, when you hear about peer reviewed data, they're not even allowed to see the actual data. They see the analysis of the data by the pharmaceutical drug companies that perform the studies.
I, I, I'm of two minds about this cause. On the one hand, I agree with you and I've had similar experiences. And on the other hand, I'm like, people. I don't fucking have time to do the research on all of these things myself. And I have a lot of time, like, Do you know what I mean?
Like, I don't, I don't. They are. Everything's fucking corrupt and it's so aggravating and so, like, predictable, cause it's just human beings and they're just going to be corrupt. And you just have to hope that the thing that you're, the pill you're taking, wasn't a victim of the corruption or the operation. Or even the stem cell or whatever you do, you just have to hope it wasn't a victim of humanity. And so I'm with you, cause I've heard shit about that.
I've learned you can test for anything. It's a, you know, I've heard statisticians say you can make anything, you can crunch numbers any way you want to get to what you need.
Well, they certainly have done that, you know, and that's that's the big Vioxx scandal, like the in the emails when they released Vioxx, they literally said Vioxx is an anti-inflammatory that they use that is no better than non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen. And it's killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 60,000 Americans before it was pulled.
Well, there was that other one, the ibuprofen, not ibuprofen, the one, the antihistamine, that wasn't anything. What's that one? The sudafed one, the one that was like, a month and a half ago. Most cough medicine wasn't medicine.
What? Look at it, it's it was I was, I assumed you just did. You did, like an emergency episode about this. No, look at, I don't even know what to look up. Cough medicine. Uh, fraud.
Yeah, look up, cough medicine isn't medicine. It was fucking insane. And but again, I have my kid has a cold, right?
Right, so my kids, literally, it's stuffed up this very second, I'm a parent, the fuck am I supposed to do?
Right, you get medicine, this is medicine, it's at the store, cough medicine.
Got it, I got caught.
I'm a good parent. This should knock it out, and it turns out it's just a bunch of garbage.
What is it, Jamie? Do you find anything? Um, yeah, I got. I'm trying to dig through. I got conflicting information real quick.
This is what happens, Joe Yeah, this is what.
Well, the pharmaceutical drug companies are like little trolls, they put a bunch of fake studies.
Or shit's complicated.
Yeah, shit is definitely complicated, but there's also a lot of fun. No, I know.
That's the issue. It's with all this stuff. It's like, shit's complicated and people are corrupt and people try to thwart information and bad information rises. And there's no, it's just it's, it's spider meme.
Yeah, it's just everything's fucking incredibly complex.
Uh, OJ was dead for about an hour. Before I saw people connecting to the vaccine, OJ was telling people to get vaccinated. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe this guy who murdered his fucking wife and her boyfriend, maybe. He was racked with guilt his entire life and lived in a constant state of anxiety. And everywhere he went, people yelled at him and called him a.
Murderer? And maybe he didn't sleep good and he, but by the way, still made it to 76, right?
Which is like, I think two years older than most people die. I think the average age is like 72 74, like, what's the average American male life expectancy, Jamie?
It's either, let's guess I'd say 72, I want to say 72. Well, Black Man is way lower.
And fucking football players is probably 58.
Right, uh, but but which is interesting, too, because one of the things that is. One of his attorneys said that if CTE the information was available today, like it wasn't 94, they would have used that in his defense.
Right, okay.
Which is kind of crazy.
But does he, has he found more innocent?
76.
So 76 years, so he hit the number.
O.J. landed exactly on the average American number. I found it. So the F.D.A. press release says this, yeah. The advisor declares ineffectiveness of widely used over-the-counter decongestant active ingredient.
The active ingredient in decongestants was nothing.
Popular over-the-counter medicines for colds and allergies don't work, FDA panel said. And that's sudafed. What it really is is it took, I guess it's like this ingredient in there.
Sudafed benadryl and most decongestants don't work.
Wow. The over-the-counter histamine antihistamine Benadryl is not being pulled from the pharmacy shelves. And misleading headlines Despite misleading headlines such as Sudafed benadryl and most decongestants don't work, they're not being pulled from pharmacy shelves.
A F.DA Food and Drug Administration advisory committee voted 16 to zero on Tuesday. The current scientific data does not support the use of active ingredient phenylephrine and over-the-counter products such as Benadryl algae plus decongestion. This does not, however, pertain to antihistamines such as benadryl, which contain the active ingredient diphenhydramine.
Yeah, this is already confused. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm already like, Wait, what?
They're probably monkeying around with the stuff just to try to get it a little less, less scammy. It's a nasal decongestant. Mm-hmm, okay. Brand names of the medications include phenylephrine, such as Benadryl, have other products with distinct active ingredients.
So there's one ingredient that doesn't work. The F.D.A. committee voted on the question of whether or not the evidence supported the use of the active. How's that word moiety, moiety, moiety? Phenylephrine as an effective nasal decongestant?
The panel concluded that products which include phenylephrine are not effective against nasal congestion, though they were not deemed unsafe. But they don't work.
So that's like.
Parts of them work. One of the ingredients doesn't is is nothing.
But it says. But it says that that the products that include phenylephrine are not effective against nasal congestion. Though they were not deemed unsafe, it still says it doesn't work, right.
Yeah, there might be other ingredients that do work, but they might not work either, we'll have to wait and see.
Though the F.D.A. is not bound to the committee's recommendations, why should it be? It's only science. Very likely, the agency will follow its advice. In turn, this may lead to pharmacies pulling products containing oral.
Phenylephrine, at least until acceptably reformulated versions are offered. There are branded products that include names Sudafed and Benadryl that do work as nasal decongestants. They contain the active ingredient pseudoephrine pseudoephedrine.
Ephenadrine Yeah.
Pseudoephedrine Yep, but because the dangerous illicit substance methamphetamine can be made in illegal laboratories with pseudoephedrine, these products were placed behind the counter. Years ago, in 2005, Congress passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act, which required pharmacies and other retail stores to maintain purchase laws.
You got to show your driver's license.
I remember I bought some of that stuff once and I was like, What, what do I have to do? Yeah, and they were like, Yeah, people can make meth with this.
And you're like, Do you know who I am? I'm never going to stop talking about it.
I'm like, how much meth can you make off of one of these things? is it enough? Like, how many?
No, yeah, they they would do, they would go from pharmacy to pharmacy.
And just get boxes and boxes of it, yeah.
And then cook it up. It's just like, just fucking get a job.
Also just get Adderall.
Yeah, or yeah, exactly.
I mean, they'll prescribe that to you.
Just, Well, yeah, we're running, we're running, short, Joe.
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