#2160 - Billy Carson
2024-06-04 02:43:21
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Yeah, so the thing is about that photo of the moon that they do with the phones, they found out that that's kind of bullshit.
No, I took, let me show you some of mine.
I know, I took it too, but what it is, is it's AI. And so, what someone did on...
I mean, this is AI?
Yeah, what someone did online, one of them, clever kids. Yeah. They took a very blurry photo of the moon, and they put it on a screen across the room. And then they zoomed in on it as if it's the moon, and the camera showed detailed craters.
Oh, well, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about like this, you know.
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's a real picture. Yeah, yeah. So that you just used the 100x zoom.
Yeah.
You didn't use the moon photo thing.
Yeah, no. There's a moon shot. This is just me standing outside.
There's a moon shot aspect to that. that's a little...
I gotta check that. I didn't know about that one.
Yeah, if you zoom in on it, if you zoom in on the moon.
. Okay, I don't think that's real. See, that's what I'm talking about. I think that's AI.
The AI recreates it? Yeah. Really?
Wow. Yeah. I know. I was showing off to my family. It's pretty incredible.
Yeah, listen.
I have the 22,, I think the S22 Ultra. Yeah. I have the older one, and I would take photos of the moon. I'm like, look, iPhone's bullshit. It can't do this.
But it turned out. it looks like I got fooled.
Oh, man.
Yeah, because he's.
. You can't hide stuff like that on the Internet. Technology stuff. Those guys are too good. They know everything.
They know everything. Yeah. But we were just talking about the difference. I'm really thinking about switching to Android. I'm just tired of being trapped.
Yeah.
And it's just like this resist.
. Everybody's like, don't do that. I'm like, oh, my God. It's like a mind virus. Everybody's culturally locked in to having a blue bubble.
But when you tell them you're going to switch from Apple, then Agent Smith shows up from the Matrix, inhabits their body, and they try to tell you to stop doing it. Don't do it. Try to convince you not to leave.
It's like if you were a Catholic and you said, I'm going to become a Baptist.
Right.
People are going, don't do it.
Right.
Don't do it. Like, what are you talking about?
Yeah, yeah.
It's not that much different. I know.
It's crazy.
It's weird. People get... They get weird with everything. They get weird with their beliefs. They get weird with what they subscribe...
What group they attach themselves to. So true. It's so strange. And I think this is a good way to segue into what you do. Because these subjects, so many of these subjects, so many people have an instantaneous reaction.
That instantaneous reaction is, oh, hogwash.
Yeah.
If this was true, I would already know about it. It would be taught in universities. It would all be... But then you find out no one is really just kind of trying to piece stuff together, specifically talking about these ancient tablets, which are, to me, some of the most interesting things about ancient history, particularly what came out of ancient Sumer. Yeah.
Ancient Sumer, when you look at their tablets, what are they saying? And why would they dedicate so much time to talking about this stuff?
Exactly.
Why do they have pictures of giant, enormous, people-looking things with a humanoid with a tail sitting on their lap? Is this just fiction? Why would they detail this? And how do they have a representation of the solar system with the correct amount of planets and relatively the correct order and size? It's not exact, but it's an artistic version of the real thing.
And how the hell, how the hell, how the hell, 6,000, 5,000 years ago, do they know that? And what explanations do we have? Like, what's the conventional explanations when people tried to dismiss what they knew in ancient Sumer?
Well, the conventional explanation is always going to the term mythology. They throw mythology around, you know, left and right, to cover up the fact that they have no clue or idea. So they turn it into mythology. so they can kind of say it's all fantasy and fairy tales, and this is how they expressed themselves or how they understood the universe. It's all mythology.
It's all fake. But in reality, it's not all fake. These people left behind such detailed records and information. It's a time capsule of information on stone tablets for us today to be able to decipher, break down, and understand, and that's what we're here to do now.
When you look at these ancient languages, like cuneiform, can you read that? Do you know how to read it?
Yeah, a small amount of it, yeah. How does it work? Studying it from books that I had bought right off of Amazon. Oh. Yeah, so basically, you take a stick.
It looks like a stick with kind of a curved end, right? Almost sharpened. It's called a stylus.
Oh, just like a stylus for an iPad.
Exactly. Very similar, right? And then you take a piece of wet clay, and right before it's too wet or too dry, right in the middle stage, you then start wedging, making these incredible lines into the clay, and then from that, you get this cuneiform text. So this text. literally, you know, some of the letters actually relate to complete ideas, but it's incredible work, and it takes a long time to do, and then you have to let this thing dry, and then it becomes stone.
So if people were supposed to be trying to worry about how they're going to get their next meal, shelter for the night, and all these kind of things, who has time to sit down and write these incredible works of art, like the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example? Yeah. I think they really were writing down, and also they were transcribing information that was given to them by these quote-unquote gods, with a lowercase g.
So when you're reading things like the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Epic of Gilgamesh, for people who don't know, is one of the oldest versions of a lot of the stories that you hear in the Bible. Very similar to them. There always seems to be a great flood, there's a few heroes, there's angry gods, there's a bunch of stuff going on, and Zechariah Sitchin's work was like the most controversial on the Sumerian text, right? Yes. Because there's a whole website called Sitchiniswrong.com, and people go crazy about him.
But when he starts talking about it, when you read some of the things that they wrote, and when you see some of the images that they created, images that look like the double helix of DNA, there's a bunch that now we represent, the caduceus, which represents pharmacies and drugs, that's the old version of an image of the double helix of DNA, or at least it looks super similar to that.
Oh, it definitely is, because it's referenced even in the Egyptian Book of the Dead and other ancient texts, so there's no coincidences here. Now, Zechariah Sitchin, I don't particularly go by his work, not because it's controversial, I believe he was one of the greatest researchers of all time, and the reason why is because he laid out so much information for us to begin to scratch our head and ask questions. But what I figured out was that by going through the UCLA CDLI online cuneiform digital library, say that fast ten times, I was able to take stone tablets and decipher them myself. So anyone can go online to the UCLA CDLI online cuneiform digital library and read these stone tablets for themselves. You don't need Zechariah Sitchin, you don't need anyone else.
And as I began to break these tablets down.
Do they have them transcribed, or are you reading the actual tablets?
They transcribe them. They actually transcribe them into English for you.
Is there controversy? as far as, are there different versions of the transcription? Do some people think it's interpreted differently? Is there some debate about that?
Only when it comes to where some of the text is missing. There could be pieces chipped off of tablets. You see that corner missing from that tablet right there on the epiglottis?
Just look, how wild is that. Just how wild is that that that exists, and that this was... It's so hard for people to put in their brain 5,000 years of time, and that there's these people that have this very bizarre language. Like when you look at that language... We don't even know what it sounds like, right?
No, and the language popped up out of nowhere. You're talking about a civilization that appeared out of nothing.
It looks like computer code.
It does.
Doesn't it?
Yes, it does.
Just imagine a human being deciding that they were going to write down in these very bizarre.
. And they all agreed that all these things mean a certain thing, so they had to somehow or another, have a Rosetta Stone or something where they're documenting it so that people can learn it and teach it. And then we're looking at it 5,000 years later. Yeah. It's so amazing.
It is. And what's incredible is this text was translated in the 1800s, long before Zachariah Citrin was born. So there are some rumors that, oh, he was the only one that could decipher these tablets. Well, no. George Smith, who worked as an Assyriologist and wrote many books and deciphered these Sumerian tablets in the 1800s.
So we're talking about text that had been deciphered for a few hundred years, nothing that was just deciphered recently.
So what are the first decipherings? What year was the first deciphering?
It was in the 1800s. I think around 1850, George Smith. He actually worked at the—I believe it was Cambridge.
What was his take? When he's reading all these wacky stories and all the Anunnaki stuff, what's his take on it?
He is literally subscribing to this information, the way almost that you and I see it today. These people saw something, experienced something, interacted with something, and he cataloged it, and it inspired him to write a complete translation of the Enuma Elish and the Seven Tablets of Creation. And he talks about the fact that that information was copied right from those tablets and put into the Old Testament of the Bible. And so, you know, not exactly like it's going to go from here to the Bible, but it went to other ancient papyruses and scriptures and so forth. And then later on, when it was discovered in caves, people took those and then said, okay, we've got to put this into a book, and then it became the Bible much later, around 100 A.D.
But he subscribed to the theory that these people interacted with beings in some way, shape, or form, and that also this information is so incredible that it became part of the biblical text.
Did you ever read the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Yes, yeah.
So the Dead Sea Scrolls, what was it found in? What year was that? It was in Qumran, right?
It was Qumran, but I think, again, this was also, I believe, in the late 1800s or early 1900s.
This is when they found them? So these things are written on animal skins, and this is the old, I mean, this is a very old version of those exact same stories, or some of similar stories. There's a lot of weirdness in the Dead Sea Scrolls. I haven't read it, but is there any references to anything that's similar, like Anunnaki-type characters, the Nephilim, or anything like that in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
They show up everywhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in the Enuma Elish, in the Ebuchadreziz. Of course, even in the Bible, they're known as the Anak, A-N-A-K. We were grasshoppers in their eyesight, it says in the biblical text. So no matter where you go in any culture, you're going to discover that these beings, in some way or shape or form, engaged. mankind, brought knowledge, teaching, building techniques, and just so much more wisdom and information, esoteric wisdom, alchemy.
All these things came from these people.
So the craziest version of this story is that they genetically engineered us out of lower primates and put us here to mine gold, and then established different types of civilizations and taught us how to build things, taught us all these different things, and enough time has passed that we've kind of forgotten. That's the wackiest version of it, right?
Right, right. That's the bare-bones minimum.
Yeah, the wackiest version is that they made us. We've talked about this a couple times, but how bizarre it is that human beings have this incredible fascination for gold. We're fascinated with gold. This fascination with gold is really weird. Like, why, back when it was basically useless?
You couldn't make a knife out of it. It didn't make sense that this would be so valuable. Just because it's rare, you're barely alive. We're going back to full-on hunter-gatherer ancestors with spears and stone chip. And then, after that, gold emerges.
And it stays. It stays forever. Now, when you read Zachariah Sitchin's book, he talks about this in the 1970s. His description of it was that they needed to suspend gold particles in the atmosphere because their atmosphere was being destroyed. Then you move to somewhere around the 2000s, when climate scientists start proposing this idea of suspending reflective particles in the atmosphere.
And then, when you realize the unique properties of gold, how unusual it is in terms of a building material, you can coat things. The reason why things are coated in gold, silver-plated, gold-plated. rather, you can take a tiny piece of gold and cover an enormous area with it. It's a strange metal. Like, really weird.
And what the supposed story is, it's very common on Earth, very rare on Nibiru.
Yeah, that's the story. I started looking into this gold thing myself, and here's what I came up with. When you start analyzing the text, you discover that there was an encampment in a place called South Africa at Adam's Calendar. Now, at Adam's Calendar, there's actually the very first gold mines discovered. They're dating them back to about 200,000 years ago.
And that's incredible, because there's a building there that looks like a worn-down structure. Now, in the tablets, it talks about the fact that the Igigi, who were the working-class Anunnaki beings who were cleaning out the Euphrates and Tigris River so they can create irrigation and create a bustling civilization. Also, they were doing the actual construction themselves. No people needed, just them working. They were like the construction workers.
And Anu and Enki and Enlil, these leader gods, were like the foremen, the master architects and so forth, the boss. So these people were working, but they weren't supposed to be enslaved. They were volunteers. They got tired of doing the work, according to them, for about 250,000 years of labor on Earth and also according to them, on Mars. This is in the text.
They call it Lamu. And so they decided to go to war against Enki and Enlil and Anu because their demands had not been met. So they went to meet them in the Epic of Atrahasis. They go to Adam's calendar. They go to that same structure that was discovered, where that gold mine is located.
I was like, holy crap, there is some link here to gold. Specifically, exactly, I don't know. But I know, if you're an advanced civilization, you need gold. And the people that you have working it for you probably think, you know, it's to adorn yourself or in recognition of the gods. So they'll wear it and they'll utilize it, but not for technology.
But what's crazy is they go to war. They get ready to go to battle, and then Enki says, I have an idea that will stop this war. There's an existing being on this planet. Existing, not something that doesn't exist. Existing.
We can add our essence to it with a slain god. So they're talking about taking the DNA or genetics from one of themselves and mixing it with the DNA of the hominid that was here. It's not specified whether it was, you know, an ape, man or anything, but they don't specify in the tablets. But to create a worker being, and they began to do this genetic modification, probably disconnecting some of our DNA, making genetic modifications to us to get us to take orders from them. They inserted something called a worship gene, which was just discovered recently, that human beings have a gene inside of them that can be turned on and turned off.
It can be turned off in a laboratory setting. It can also be turned off with a magnetic field around your head. And when it's off, you don't want to worship anything outside of yourself. You look inside, and when it's on, you look to get something from the outside. So this is incredible.
So they engineered a gene inside of us to make us worship them. How genius.
It's incredible, because then you're not a slave anymore. You're doing this for the honor of the gods.
And for people who think all this talk is really crazy, I want to put into perspective that we talked about this the other day, that during the—was it—which war? was it where the Soviet Union was experimenting? It was scientists in the Soviet Union, correct? They were experimenting with creating a chimpanzee-human-being hybrid that they would probably send to war. So, instead of having regular people, we would make this monster, this freak, ape man, and send him to war and have him crush the enemies.
How crazy is that? They knew how strong chimps are. I got an idea. Let's turn you a chimp-human, and that way, if he dies, who gives a fuck? We made him.
Get him to go to work for us. And now, if you're a supremely enlightened being, wouldn't you think of human beings, with all of our folly and all of our chaos and all of our war and bullshit and the Internet and disinformation and misinformation, wouldn't you think of us kind of the same way? we would think about that chimp hybrid thing? If I was the president of Russia, would I want my cousins to go to war? Or would I want to send this freak that I made in a lab?
Yeah, and what's interesting, I'm glad you said made in a lab. They had talked briefly in that text about fashioning people.
How did they say it?
They said the word fashioning, fashioning a being.
Do you remember the actual quote?
I would have to look it up, the actual quote.
But they described it as fashioning.
Because they said even the lamb hadn't been fashioned yet, so they had fashioned lambs.
It's also in the Epic of Gilgamesh. They fashioned the friend that Gilgamesh went on the journey with. He wasn't born from a woman's womb. They created him. They created him an artificial being to go on this journey in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
So they used that phrase several times in the Talmud. But they said, no, wait. It was almost like. that's not a good idea, because in some ways, it seems as if they had known that the idea of making too many artificially created people wouldn't be a good idea. Now, they didn't go deeper than that.
But you can see where we are today with AI and everything else and these robots that are coming. Maybe they knew something about that. But they decided to take a biological being and genetically modify and program that to do the work. And that's exactly what they did.
Well, if they really knew what we would be capable of and that we would be illogical, overpopulation would be a gigantic issue. And in many parts, I mean, it's not really that big of an issue here, except for in cities. But in many parts of the world, it's the whole country. The whole country is New York City, which is just fucking bonkers. And you've got to wonder.
It's actually not true. It's not even that bad, even in China. China has a lot of open space. But when you're in those cities, they are massive. And they are filled with people.
And that is probably what you would imagine a higher being would do if it was, like us, like kind of illogical and kind of a little bit reckless and has a little bit too much technology for the average person that didn't develop the technology. But all of a sudden, you've got some 85 IQ dope who has access to all the things that all these geniuses have created. I mean, you could figure – we talked to Michio Kaku. He built a nuclear reactor in his house when he was a kid.
I heard about that. That was crazy. That's crazy.
I know. That's so crazy. But there's a lot of different stuff that you can do and have access to technology that is beyond anything you would ever be able to invent with your own mind. But because we share things across the board, you would imagine that if you were an enlightened being from another planet that's a million years more advanced than us, you'd go, I see where this one's going. Do you have that cousin who's an alcoholic?
and then he wins the lottery? Like, oh, shit, Derek just won the lottery. Fuck! This is going to be crazy. Derek's got $200 million.
This is going to be fucking insane.
It's crazy. And they knew they were going outside their own guidelines and their own laws, their parameters, because they made a statement in the text. They said the creator of all is going to punish them or they would have to answer to the creator of all for what they did here. So that lets you know they weren't really gods. They knew themselves that they weren't the creator of the universe, but that they masqueraded as gods on this planet.
Just like we did when different versions of human civilization would find primitive tribes, like the cargo tribe. Cargo cults. The cargo cult that you talked about in your documentary. That is so fascinating that, during World War II, planes landed on these remote places, and these people built mock planes to show what the thing was that came to visit them, that they thought were like gods. Wild.
Do you think that if the Anunnaki are real and if Nibiru really exists and there's another planet with highly intelligent beings that are far more advanced than us, if that's the case, do you think there's more advanced and more advanced, just like we are to chimpanzees, they are to us, and then another race is to them, and then it just keeps going on and on forever until you're god?
Absolutely. I believe there's levels to the game. Just like there's levels in terms of how we live on this planet. We have a first world, second world, third world, just here on Earth. Now magnify that as a fractal, as a universe as a whole, you have civilizations that are a million, two million, maybe even a billion years ahead, and every civilization progressing within the universe at a specific rate.
So you can have beings that have already, maybe even shed their corporeal bodies and only exist as beings of energetic light, and then you have everything all the way back down towards us. In the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, he actually says that he has achieved the ability to incarnate at will on and in the plane he desires. He claims to be able to incarnate whenever he wants, and even into other dimensions, which is wild.
That's next level.
Yeah, that's next level.
It does make sense that if we're capable of doing what we're doing, we're talking about your phone, the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, with zooms and all this different shit, that's magic to someone just 200 years ago. And if it keeps going, and you keep playing this out as far as possible, it kind of makes sense that there would be levels to the kind of intelligent life that exists in the universe beyond our comprehension. If you talk to Terrence Howard, do you know his theory about how planets are created? That it's just things ejecting from the sun over billions and billions of years, and that there's a Goldilocks zone where you can create life, and that's where the people are. And then, as this Goldilocks zone gets, you have to be super technologically proficient in order to control your environment to the extent where you no longer require the sun in order to keep you alive.
That kind of makes sense if the Bureau's out there past Pluto.
Oh, it makes a lot of sense. It makes sense that they... Shout out to Terrence Howard, because I just talked to him a couple hours ago.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I mean, so. we were talking about web conjugations and everything.
Fuck me up for like three days. I left this podcast. for three days. I was like, God damn. First of all, how the fuck is he so smart?
Like, how would you ever imagine that a dude who's an actor on a television show or in a movie? is that smart? Right, right. Like, freaky smart.
Right.
But his theory about the creation of planets, I was like, oh, that makes sense.
Oh, it makes a lot of sense.
We watch stuff fly off the sun all the time, and that this matter over time would coalesce and become a planet.
Yeah, it creates an accretion disk, and everything in space creates an accretion disk. So, once that matter... What is that word?
Accretion disk?
Yeah, accretion disk. So once you have a certain amount of mass in space, it instantaneously, on its own, wants to create this circular, like the shape of our Milky Way galaxy, wants to start circling and swerving around itself, and then, as it does that, it begins to create friction. And as that friction increases, the matter begins to collapse in towards each other, all right, based on its own energy, and then it then forms a ball. And that then builds and attracts more mass until it builds into a moon or a planet or whatever.
What do you do when you encounter flat-Earth people?
Oh, man, I just try to be quiet. I just tell them, look, it's not my thing. I remember a flat-Earth society offered me money years and years ago, and I was like, no, I don't believe the Earth is flat. I'm not getting involved with this. And they really attacked me hard, death threats and everything else.
They get very upset. Yeah. I do not understand. I just think it's people committing to an idea. It just doesn't make sense.
Well, it's a religion. now. They turned it into a religion. Any time that people can attack you so brutally over that, I mean, I'm on live talking about quantum physics, and they're in the chat. The Earth is flat.
The Earth is—I mean, so that's—.
I'm fascinated by it because— It's interesting. Yeah, because it's the ultimate conspiracy theory. The ultimate conspiracy theory is that we are all on a set, and that the Earth is flat. It's a disk. It's a wall.
The government's aware of it. They won't let you pass a certain distance. Yeah, there's ice walls. And that space is just lights in the sky. Right.
That's it. And the sun is a bulb and all this kind of stuff. It's wild.
And it's attached to a version of Christianity, which is very interesting.
It is. It's tied into Christianity, the 6,000-year-old theme. The Earth is only 6,000 years old. The reason why people think the Earth is 6,000 years old is because most of the tablets are 6,000 years old. And the Bible was written from the information that came from tablets.
So that's as far back as anybody's, quote-unquote, knowledge seems to extend. That's where the 6,000-year-old theory comes from. But they've taken that thing and turned it into a religion. I remember one guy DM'd me, and he was going off and telling me he was going to shoot me in the head and all this stuff. And I said, let me ask you a question.
If there's no atmosphere, then what are you breathing right now? He goes, what do you mean? I'm breathing oxygen. I said, well, that's a gas. Gas doesn't exist.
I said, well, then, you should be dead, then, because you're breathing a gas. I said, what else are you inhaling? when you breathe? He goes, oxygen. I said, well, no, you're breathing in helium, krypton.
Mostly nitrogen. Yeah, nitrogen. I said, you're breathing in all these other gases. Oxygen is only about 21% of that. Otherwise, you'd be dead.
He couldn't tell. I said, did you graduate from high school? He said, no. I said, I stopped talking. That's when I realized, don't waste your energy on these people.
Well, there's a lot of dudes, unfortunately, who just get on YouTube, and they listen to very charismatic people talk that don't know what they're talking about, which I do all the time. But they do it in a way where they pretend they know something is true. that's not true. And people get sucked into it. I know.
And I just don't understand why you would think that Earth is the only one out of all these things that we've observed. that's flat. It just doesn't make any sense. And I think, this is respectfully to all these people that believe that, I think it's a giant waste of time. It is.
I think, concentrating on the shape of the Earth, even if it was flat, who fucking cares?
It means nothing.
Look at what's going on out there. It would be kind of crazy if it was flat. That would kind of like bolster the idea that we're the shit. Right. And that we're just so much more powerful and advanced and special than everything else in the universe, because we're the only ones that exist on a flat plane.
Right. But the whole thing is just so insane. Just what we know about the physical universe itself and about atoms, and just what we know about all the matter that exists in our lives is insane.
Yeah, it's insane. I mean, obviously, they haven't tapped into, even, forget quantum, standard physics. They don't comprehend it. And so because of that, they're lost. I mean, satellites don't exist, obviously, to them.
But that's a kooky one.
I remember Hurricane Maria.
The satellites don't exist. This is a kooky one. Bro, you can watch them.
I mean, it's crazy. Hurricane Maria comes and destroys the Caribbean. And unfortunately, I have some loved ones that were involved in that. And I posted a picture of the hurricane because I was raising money for hurricane supplies. And they were commenting and attacking, that's a fake image.
It doesn't exist. I'm like, wow.
Let me ask you this. How much of that is bullshit? Like, how much of that is government, either, entities from other foreign governments, where they jump into these subjects to make people seem really stupid? And when people say something really stupid, if they have, one of the things they like to do is put a foreign flag, like American flag, rather, in their little profile. Yeah, yeah.
And they're just saying the dumbest shit. Yeah. And I'm going, I don't know if this is a real person. I think it's not. I think it's one of those things that's designed to muddy up any discourse about anything.
Yeah, it's a psyop. I'm telling you. I told people a long time ago, this whole flutter thing was a CIA psyop.
I think it was.
Just drop it in there and see what happens.
If it wasn't a CIA psyop, it was someone from 4chan who just wanted to be silly. Yeah. And went so hard with explanations that a lot of gullible people without science degrees, like me, they went along with it. And it's just one of those things where it's just, man, what a giant waste of time.
It is a waste of energy. And there's so much more we can learn, like these ancient texts. And people say, why are you always focused on the ancient past? Well, because the past is prologue. If we don't understand what happened back, then, we're doomed to continue to repeat these cycles of time that we've been in for quite some time, for eons.
Yeah, I mean, it's just direct evidence that civilizations don't last when they go kooky.
Yes.
And the things go sideways and there's natural disasters and wars that reshape landscapes. It's like, look, it's all there and it's happening right now. And if we're not aware of it, it'll happen to us. And then we'll be a footnote of history. We'll be one of those things.
There was this amazing country called America. They got crazy. They created all this art and culture. And they did amazing things. But they went fucking sideways.
They sold out the money. They got involved in wars. And then the next thing you know, the world is operating essentially like communist China. The whole world. That's possible too, kids.
You've got to fight for this. Whatever this thing is that we have, this is like super fucking unique. But if you don't want to look at the past, if you're not fascinated by ancient structures, if you're not fascinated by what kind of technology and knowledge that they have 4,500 plus years ago to make pyramids, who are these people? What were they doing? How did they do that?
And what was that thing? Was that a power plant? Right. I know, you know that theory.
Absolutely.
That is a crazy theory. that sounds so – it sounds completely wackadoo. But then, when you have it laid out to you – Christopher, what's his last name?
Dunn. Christopher Dunn. I just had him on my podcast a few weeks ago.
I just had him. a couple weeks ago too. I just had a brain fart. His depiction of the mechanisms that would be involved in turning this giant structure into some sort of a power plant, you hear about it and you go, wait a minute. Whoa.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And him and I have very similar theories on how the power generation occurred. And I believe that the Nile used to run up close to the pyramids and the water would run underneath the pyramid and that would create something called physiostatic electricity. as it ran underneath that magnetized crystal granite. Those ions would pour up into the chamber, move up the grand gallery where there used to be resonating rods.
You can see the slots where the rods used to be. They're removed now, but the slots are still there. Then it would be pushed into the king's chamber where it would be amplified and some type of fusion would take place. Then forced up through the apex. And then the crystal granite obelisks around the region would capture that ambient wireless electricity.
And then, if you had something called a jet, which looks like a Tesla coil, you can capture that energy and you can transfer it into a device for gold electroplating. For any other electrical tools you need, like some of the tools they had to have used to create some of these incredible works of art. We can see the tool marks, so we know they had the tools. But they had wireless electricity way back then.
That's insane. If that's true, that's insane. Because you would think there would be some kind of physical evidence of a device. Like something left over. Some sort of ancient chainsaw.
Like something.
They did a great job cleaning up. They poured sand over Giza to bury another couple hundred pyramids there at Giza.
Do you think they poured sand? Do you think that's just natural erosion over time? Because when Giza, when the pyramids existed, it was a very different place. If you go back before the pyramids, like 9,000 years ago, it was a lush rainforest. And then, over time, it became sand.
And the same with the entire Sahara Desert, which is really crazy. We were talking about it the other day. They find whale bones in the Sahara Desert.
Yeah. I'm going to the Valley of the Whales in a few weeks in Egypt, actually. It's incredible that there's whale bones out there also. So we're going out there to the Valley of the Whales.
Whale bones. Yeah. Whoa. So the point being that this place has changed radically. Like absolutely radically, over time.
So who knows what's. Do you know why those things were covered up? Is it possible that it was just sand over time?
Well, if you look at the tablets again, they talk about this war. Right. And this war that occurred, there's a lot of wars, obviously, but this one particular war, it seems like the same one that damaged the area or the region of the Giza Plateau. Also Mohenjo-Daro and the Indus Valley up there by Pakistan. And the reason why it's interesting is, if you look at the war in the text and then go to those areas, it looks now almost you can begin to see, oh, wait a minute.
It looks like war. Mohenjo-Daro, Indus Valley, the buildings turned to glass. The sand turned to glass and the bodies are still laying in the street right now. today, holding hands. Never been scavenged by animals.
Wait a minute. Where is this?
Mohenjo-Daro.
Are there photos that we can look at?
Oh, yeah. Look it up. Mohenjo-Daro, Indus Valley, dead bodies still laying in the street thousands of years later.
And guess what? They just lay there? No one's covered them up?
No one's covered them up. Yeah. When you put a Geiger counter over them, higher than background level radiation. Really? Yeah.
But aren't stones higher than background level radiation?
Some stones are. Some stones are, especially like diorite and crystal granite. But these bodies, these, are just bones. How come they're higher than background level radiation?
I can't wait to see this. Why haven't I ever heard of this?
Mohenjo-Daro. M-O-H-E-N. There you go.
Whoa.
Yeah. This is evidence of a nuclear war or nuclear type of war.
Go back to the other, that one there, that one's insane. Yeah.
There's bodies that are sitting on the edge of steps next to their own buildings that they lived in. The building is turned to glass. That's 3,000 plus degree temperature weapons fire.
So there's a bunch of people that seem to die all at once, just scattered around?
Yeah.
And what's the conventional explanation for how these people died?
They have no idea. They have zero idea. The only thing that you can-.
That was just a couple, Jamie. Go to the other, just the Mohenjo-Daro, mythical massacre.
Yeah.
So did they think it's a massacre? Is there any- Look at that body. It's just laying there.
Just laying there. And that building, those stones are vitrified, which means 3,000 plus degree temperature. Oh, shit. What kind of, you know, what could have caused that level of temperature, energetic release?
Well, it could have been a low atmosphere asteroid.
It could have been.
I mean, just like-.
That's possible.
Tunguska.
Yeah. It could have been, but then their bones would have been splattered apart and broken up into pieces.
Good call. Yeah. That's a good call. Yeah. Because they don't seem to be broken apart.
No, they're not broken apart. Right. That impact would have shattered the bones and spread them out over a great distance.
Right, but without impact, even if you just look at the one that burst in the atmosphere in Tunguska, it just flattened trees.
Flattened everything.
I think it's some insane, like a million acres or something crazy.
Yeah, it's incredible.
How big was the Tunguska explosion? That one's, yeah, so those bodies would be toast because the trees were ripped apart.
The buildings would have been flattened.
The legs would have flown off. Right. There's no way they would just be laying there like that. Exactly. That's interesting.
And they don't seem to be like chopped up. No. Did they have any evidence of stab wounds or anything on them?
They don't have any evidence of any injury, of any kind of attack or any cutting or like swords or anything.
They just all got cooked.
Right. And then in the tablets, it says that the evil wind moved over the land after they released these weapons. And then Enki goes to his father. I mean, yeah, Enki goes to his father Anu and says, hey, can you stop the evil wind? Because he had fallen in love with some people, you know, and down there.
And he's like, there's nothing I can do. He said, get in your skyship and for a boat. That means get the hell out of here. And he said that people's hair was falling out. Their eyes were bleeding.
Their nose were bleeding. Their fingernails were curling off. That sounds like radiation sickness.
So you think it's radiation sickness that did this to all these people, or was it an impact that did this to all these people?
Nobody. Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
But they're not blown apart.
Right. They're not blown apart. It seems like whatever struck or whatever energetic weapon it was, it might not have been a weapon. Whatever it was, it seems like that shockwave reached them at some point and whatever was in that wave.
Just killed everybody.
That's what it did.
And they just don't know what it is. How does a conventional archaeologist describe it? Do they just say it's a massacre?
They just call it a mythical massacre and they stay away from it. When you look in the other text, the Mahabharata and the Bhagavad Gita, you find out about these wars. also. They're recorded. They have weapons called the Brahmaastra and the Brahmahanda weapon.
And these weapons, what they describe them as doing, duplicate what you saw there.
How do they describe them?
They describe them as weapons that, once released, can't be revolted or can't be turned back, and that they will obliterate any area, any city. And they say that one of the weapons can destroy any man on three worlds. It's crazy stuff. This is where Oppenheimer got his famous quote when he obviously tested the nuke, right? Right.
Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. He got that from the Mahabharata.
Yeah. What a great quote to say after you detonate the first nuclear bomb. Oh man, crazy.
What a great quote.
So the idea is that there were beings that were having wars on this planet. Do you believe they were having wars with people that were revolting, or were they having wars with other beings?
They were fighting with each other. And evidence of these wars can be found in the book of Deuteronomy, in the modern day Bible. These gods, and I do mean gods with an S, because everywhere in the Bible where it says gods singular, it's actually a mistranslation. The actual, if you backwards look up the translation in Arabic and then down to Aramaic and everything else, you find that it's gods plural. They were fighting each other over resources and people and control of the planet.
And so that's why in the book of Deuteronomy, God tells people, go to this city. And it's like a far city. They don't even know that these people exist. They go over there to kill them. He says, kill the women, kill the children and bring the spoils of war back to me.
And you see these wars in the Mahabharata, the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible, the Sumerian tablets. And these wars are just nonstop, the Indian Vedas. And it's always about attacking another city and even talk about Trojan horse methods to get behind the gates and then, to, you know, utilize that to attack and kill and bring back these spoils, which is pretty crazy stuff. It's like they were attacking each other. They had gone awry.
They had gone rogue out here on this planet and then began to fight over people and populations and resources.
And we would hope that we would get past that. But there's no evidence that we have so far. So, like why would we think that as AI gets implemented and technology escalates and all we're going to be able to do in the future in terms of being able to go visit other planets and duke it out on other planets. Like there was a whole story today about China just landed on the far side of the moon. So they landed a probe over there.
Yeah. Yeah, they did.
This is, you know, the China-America war on the moon. What if America claims a spot and China lands and plants a flag there and they're like, hey, fuck you, that's ours.
Now that's what's going to happen.
Especially if there's like something on the moon. they can mine. that's very valuable.
Oh, this stuff up there. I researched the Clementine mission years ago. NASA and the United States military sent a military, at that time. it was a top secret mission called Clementine. It was a low lunar orbiting satellite to go to the dark side of the moon.
And when I saw the name Clementine, I knew right away this thing ain't coming back. And as I began to dig deeper into the declassified documents, of course, it never came back. Oh, my darling Clementine, you were lost and gone forever.
Wow.
And I was right. And sure enough, it hit something on the dark side of the moon, which is really just the backside. It's not really dark there, but it hit something. But it sent back about 20 gigs of data. And these images are available to the general public.
They've been declassified. And there are strange anomalies on those images. This is pre-Photoshop, pre-everything. Things that shouldn't be there, that look like broken structures and junk and things that just seem to be laying around. So I think it was a recognizance mission to gather intel and data, which is probably why China's gone to that far side of the moon as well.
It's a race to see who can capture ancient technology and then reverse-engineer it and then weaponize it.
Well, that's the most fun theory ever. The most fun theory ever is that there's bases on the moon, on the dark side of the moon, that aliens have abandoned. Jamie, are there any photos of these anomalies? That's the most fun thing.
I can provide you some with links to the sources, too.
Okay, that'd be cool. But Jamie will probably find something. So what do these structures look like to you when you look at them?
There's dome structures there.
A dome?
There's domes. As a matter of fact, one of the astronauts, I think it was Neil Armstrong, if you get the declassified from the Freedom of Information Act documents, that are the black box audio and the black box redacted text statement from NASA, which is available to the general public, Neil says, look at those convex structures down there. I bet that people in there never get out. And he's talking about dome structures on the moon. And this is an exact statement that was made.
that's in the black box audio, which I can provide you to link to that as well.
Okay, so where are these structures? Do you see any of these that you find compelling?
You can look for anomalies on the backside of the moon. We utilize a lot of these on our Facebook groups. On Facebook, we have these groups, anomaly hunting groups. We formed the United Family of Anomaly Hunters, and we've cataloged about 60,000 anomalies. now.
A lot of them are on the dark side of the moon. But type in Clementine Moon Photos Anomaly. You may be able to find some. If not, I'll send you the link to some resources where you can look them up, and you can take a look at some of these crazy objects that are there.
So is that one right there in the upper right-hand corner?
Yeah, that one's there. It kind of looked like two pyramids onto the left of it. And then another structure, which almost seems like it has geometry. Underneath that, you see the blur? That looks like obfuscation.
Directly, you know, if you go back up to that top right. Top right? Yeah, top right B. Okay, you see that where his hand is? Now move to the left, going down slowly.
See that? Go back up again. See that, where his hand is over right now? It looks like obfuscation. Sometimes you can take these images and put them into Photoshop and take away the contrast, and all of a sudden structures pop right out.
But right above that, you see those shadows of those pyramid structures?
Right above that?
Yeah, you see those pyramids? You can see this dark shadow.
I see two lines.
Okay.
Well, I see the arrow that's pointing to that one straight line, and then I see what looks like two superimposed arrows.
Okay, do you see?
Yeah, those things.
Okay, yeah.
Those are superimposed, right?
No, those are shadows.
But look, those are the same things that are in the bottom. Aren't they just pointing at something? Aren't those pointers?
I think they may be highlighting something.
Right, I think it's a cursor mark or something. So I see what they're pointing to. They're pointing to that thing in the upper right-hand corner. that kind of looks like a pyramid.
Yeah, you see that right there?
Yeah. It kind of looks like a pyramid.
It's cleaned up a little bit. there in C. C is more clean. But those things don't look like they belong there.
Well, it's hard to tell.
Yeah, it's hard to tell. That pyramid right there is very famous. Where's that one? That's a very old image. That's on the moon.
There should be a link to that. There's a lot of that. That particular one has been around for years and years and years. It's kind of hard to think that that would form by natural. Now, what happens is we're not saying we know exactly what these things are.
We're just saying that we feel like they don't belong there.
Jamie, go back to that image that you were just looking at, the thing that looked like a pyramid. That one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, get that one big.
Hmm.
That one's crazy.
Yeah.
That one's very strange looking, because the way it points at the top and has flat sides. Yeah. You're like, yeah. If that's real, that's interesting. Yeah.
Do you know how tall that is? by any chance? That's a good question.
There's a measuring tool. We don't have it, obviously, access to it right here. God, it seems so flat on me. But there is a measuring tool. You can see the shadow, which gives you an idea of the height.
I'd like to see it in real life, though. You know what I mean? Sometimes things fuck with you. But the angle is so unnatural looking.
Yeah, it definitely looks unnatural. We just try to catalog things that appear to be anomalies, things that appear to be out of place.
Right. It could be anything.
In the Sumerian tablature, there's this time where Enlil takes his son to the moon. And he says, well, grab your eagle's mask because you're going to need it. They were referencing that the atmosphere was harsh. Oh, eagle's mask. So when you see the Anunnaki with the eagle's head, that's actually their helmet.
It's a helmet. So they could breathe air.
Exactly. They talk about it twice, once to go to the moon and the second time to go to Mars.
Yeah. And there's been other depictions of ancient gods and people that look like they're wearing some kind of mask, too.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, one of the cooler ones is the bubble space head looking guys in the cave.
Yes.
And you're like, what did you guys see? Right. Like, what did you guys see in the middle of, like, hunting gazelles, trying to stay alive, trying to make a fire, and then you decided to draw that thing? What is that?
And we know they can draw, because they can show you what a gazelle is. They can show you what a cattle is. They can show you what a person looks like. Yes, yes. But then they draw that, and you have to think, well, why?
Right.
Why is that the only thing you drew? that's fake?
Right. Exactly.
It looks like a dude in a suit with a helmet on.
Right.
And here's the question. How many different things are visiting us? Like, and from how many different places?
Oh, a lot.
We can't just think everything's going to look exactly the same. That seems just as silly as thinking that all of our animals should look exactly the same.
I think we have three different levels of visitation going on simultaneously. One is corporeal beings in a physical body, most likely anatomically similar to us, you know, a bilateral, bipedal organism with two forward-facing eyes, maybe one or two sets of hands.
Do you think it's what we eventually become? That what they are?
It's possible that maybe we already are them. Just, you know, Earth could be an abandoned seed colony. Every culture that I've talked to indigenously around the planet all say they were seeded on this planet by Pleiadians or other beings, star brothers in various different places. Like the Dogons. Like the Dogons, the Nomo, the Hopi in the Lakota tribe, the star brothers.
The aboriginal elders say that they were seeded here by Pleiadians. All of a sudden, why is everybody having the same story that we were brought here? We could be genetically, I don't believe we're even from Earth, to be quite honest with you. Our psychotic rhythm doesn't even match Earth's rotation on its axis. We're slightly off.
It's actually better tuned to Mars orbit on its rotation on its own axis than it is Earth.
How does that work?
The psychotic rhythm of a human body, the wake and sleep cycle, is actually more tuned to Mars rotation on its own axis. A Mars day versus an Earth day, which is pretty weird. That we aren't synced to our own planet after all these thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of years. Is that the same as our circadian rhythm? Circadian rhythm, right.
How do they calculate? it's more tuned to Mars? How does that work?
Geneticists and scientists discovered that our perfect wake and sleep cycle is more tuned to Mars rotation on its axis, which is about 23 and something minute hours, versus Earth being 24 hours. They said, wow, this is incredible. The more they tested it and the more they studied it, they realized we're more tuned to the Mars than we are to Earth, which is pretty strange.
We are weird. We accept shit like leap year.
Right.
Like what kind of whack calendar do you have?
Here's make up stuff.
If some years the month is longer, what the fuck are you doing? I know. Make a better calendar. Isn't there a better calendar?
Yeah.
Shouldn't there be like a digital calendar that represents exactly what's going on and not go January?
Come on.
Get the fuck out of here. It's so dumb.
It's pretty bizarre. But you know what's interesting? If you want to say, oh, human beings could be aliens. Well, actually, every person on this planet is an alien. Even our planet itself is an alien.
Scientists just discovered something interesting. I've never talked about this shit on a podcast. You guys can look this up. So our Milky Way galaxy is pretty interesting because it's absorbing another galaxy at this exact moment, called the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. Not the Sagittarius Constellation.
That's something totally different. We are absorbing the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy at this exact moment. People thought for all these decades, looking, or even hundreds of years, looking up in the night sky, seeing that swath of stars going across. That's the Milky Way. Guess what?
We've been wrong the whole time. This is now being taught in universities and astrophysics. So what you're looking at, you're looking at the absorption or the merging of the Sagittarius with the Milky Way galaxy. And the exact point where it merges and drops into the Milky Way is right where our solar system is located. Which would explain the rogue planets that we know that are out there.
There's millions of rogue planets that have no sun. They're just floating free around. There's planets and solar systems that are orbiting far beyond the orbit of Pluto in our inner Oort cloud, admitted by astronomers, now. That there's other solar systems within this inner Oort cloud area orbiting our sun every 4200 years. So, all of a sudden, that's Corey Powell, the astronomer at Discovery Magazine, by the way, who said that.
So this is pretty interesting. We're talking about the fact that our solar system itself is an implant into the Milky Way, that we come from Sagittarius. We're not even part of the Milky Way galaxy.
Whoa. Okay. So when they're looking at our own solar system, they have an understanding that there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt. that's out there. And there's so many objects in there that are small.
And that's one of the reasons why they decided to declassify Pluto as a planet. Because there's other objects that are real similar in size.
Yeah, Maki, Maki and all those other planets.
But they think there's something large out there. They think there's something large out there that they haven't yet identified because of the way that gravity is responding. What is the reason for it?
Well, what happened is they discovered that in some way, millions of years ago, something moved through our solar system and captured its own weird orbit around our sun. And what's crazy is, the evidence is in our solar system. So Saturn and Neptune switched locations because of a gravitational field. Uranus has flipped on its side and orbits its equator. It's orbiting north and south, not east and west.
And they know that.
Like it got hit.
Like it got hit or something gravitationally, just tugged at it so hard that it flipped sideways. And it never stops. Never stops. And it moved through our solar system way out beyond the orbit of Pluto. And this thing captured its own orbit.
This is in the Enuma, Elish and the Seven Tables of Creation. This exact process that's been described now by astrophysicists and astronomers is an ancient text that we can read and we can see, Oh my God, this is exactly what this text is saying. It's talking about the creation of our solar system. It even talks about the creation of Earth. in that text.
It says that when Marduk, a.
k.
a. Nibiru, a moon of Nibiru, crashed into Tiamat, it broke into pieces and became the hammered bracelet. That's the asteroid belt. One giant chunk swung away, re-coalesced with everything, water, land, and organic material needed for life, and became the Earth, tugging with it the moon. So it's pretty crazy that the creation of this planet itself, and it says that it pushed, the net force pushed Mercury closer to the sun and pushed Venus closer to the sun.
And then we took the third spot in place around our orbit, around our sun. And then, of course, we have Mars, which used to be a moon, a habitable moon of Tiamat, a planet that was four to six times larger than Earth. And it slung into this crazy orbit. That's why Mars has this weird orbit, and you have to rendezvous with it. if you're NASA or anybody trying to rendezvous with Mars every two years doing this in Apogee or Perigee.
You have to, with Apogee or Perigee, one of them is further away than the other. One is 80 million miles, and the other one's closer. So if you rendezvous every two years, you can capture the orbit of Mars, and you can actually get there in four months. And then they looked at it and said, wow, they, meaning astrophysicists, this looks like this Mars wasn't originally in this type of orbit. It must have been orbiting something else in our solar system, which it was.
One side is charred black, and the other side is smooth. So the side where Tiamat exploded, those chunks hit Mars on, one side, created a very charred side. And the other side is the smoothest surface in the solar system, which is because of the global flood that that created. And then Mars' axis on its equator is tilted 45 degrees on its axis, which means the mass shifted it down 45 degrees. They had a major global catastrophe there on Mars.
And then, after Mars, you have another little planet that survived called Ceres, C-E-R-E-S, which is also a result of this Tiamat exploding. People don't even talk about Ceres. It has the most fresh water of any other planet in our solar system.
And where is its location?
That's the next planet after Mars, Ceres. Really? C-E-R-E-S.
How big is it?
It's about maybe two-thirds smaller than Mars. It's a dwarf planet.
It falls in orbit between Mars and Jupiter, near the middle of the asteroid belt, with an orbital period. Click on that, Jamie.
When they flew by it about.
. You heard about this before?
I didn't know. there was another planet out there.
Listen, when they flew by it a few years ago, the lights were on. They sent a probe out there. What? The lights were on. And so they tried to say it was ice particles glistening in the sunlight.
So when they got to the dark side, guess what? The lights were on on the dark side. So they couldn't use the ice particle explanation anymore. So they just said, we don't know what it is.
What?
Ceres' small size means that even at its brightest, it's too dim to be seen by the naked eye, except under extremely dark skies. Its apparent magnitude ranges from 6.7 to 9.3, peaking in opposition when it's closest to Earth. Once every 15 to 16 months in the... How do you say that word? Synodic?
Synodic?
I don't know where you're at now.
16th month synodic period.
Oh, yeah. Synodic.
Synodic period.
As a result.
Synodic. As a result, its surface features are barely visible even with the most powerful telescopes, and little was known about it until the robotic NASA spacecraft Dawn approached Ceres for its orbital mission in 2015..
And we have high-resolution images of the surface. There are strange things there as well, which is pretty crazy.
What are the images of the surface?
You have to go to nasa.
gov and go to the Dawn images, and you can download.
. Or sometimes the European Space Agency has them as well, ES. And then you can grab those images. It's pretty crazy. Some things just don't look right there.
But there's a lot.
What doesn't look right?
Well, you know, if you look at Mohenjo-Daro, or areas of Egypt, that's, you know, or even, you know, Iraq, where it used to be Sumeria, structures that used to be there that are now worn down and weathered, they have similar looks there, similar things. They look similar there. Not saying that they are. I'm just saying that they look strange. Some things look strange.
We have a lot of strange things on Earth that aren't natural.
That's true. We sure do. We even have octagons and straight lines on Earth that are natural as well.
That was one of the craziest ones that Terence brought up. was the octagon on Saturn. Yeah. Was it Saturn?
Yeah, Saturn. Yeah, Saturn. Saturn.
That, when you look at the octagon on Saturn, it's mimicked in the model that they created by using.
. The whole idea. that he really blew my mind with was the Goldilocks Zone idea. That planets reach a certain distance from the sun, and that's when life starts happening, and this is a normal force that happens everywhere in the universe. And as time goes on, that planet is going to get further and further from the sun, and then it's going to lose its ability to do that, and then a new planet will move into the Goldilocks Zone.
And that is also going to become like us. And then so, if you are following this idea, if this idea makes sense, it means that this is just this sort of natural process that these intelligent creatures go through. And even though we're looking at like AI and we're looking at technology like, oh my god, we can't even be people anymore. Well, guess what? We can't be people anymore, because we're not going to make it if we don't.
There's a timeline. It seems like you're only going to live 100 years, so it's no big deal. But humans, if we keep going like a few million years, we're going to have a real problem. A billion years from now, we're not going to be around anymore. And then there's going to come a time where the sun doesn't exist anymore.
So if you get so intelligent that you can escape the boundaries of the physical world and you can move throughout the cosmos wherever you want, then you've escaped. You've escaped this fear. But it's almost like there's an intelligence test. An intelligence test that life goes through. Like we're going to give you all the tools, just like you're in the womb.
You're in the womb of Mother Earth. We're going to give you all the tools. But you've got to get out of the house. At a certain point in time, you've got to get out of the house. You're 24..
You're still living at home. Get the fuck out of the house.
They're waiting for us to grow up. Yeah.
Human beings are like babies. right now. It's a civilization trying to learn how to walk. And right now we're barely crawling. And then we plop down on our stomach and everybody screams and cries.
But we're getting to the point eventually where we'll go to the edge of a table and pull ourselves up. And then we'll take a couple of steps. And then we'll fall again. Everybody will think it's all over. Oh, my God.
We were doing so good. And it collapsed again. But no, that's just a fall. The baby will pull itself back up. It'll cry less.
And it'll take more steps until it falls again. Until it can get this controlled fall. And that's the definition of walking, controlling your fall. So we're in that process now. Like you said, this is a proving ground for us to be able to develop consciously, spiritually, ascend to higher levels.
And eventually, I believe, I'm pretty optimistic for mankind that we will get through this period.
Well, that's a beautiful thing to hear. I love when people are optimistic because I'm always like, I don't know which way to go. I tend to be optimistic.
Well, you know, it proves what these ancient beings were doing. They were creating breakaway civilizations throughout the entire Milky Way galaxy because of what you just said. The fact that, you know, planets won't be habitable forever. Even Earth. Let's say Earth, never moved and stayed right where it's at, in the Goldilocks zone.
We're going to lose our control over the weather because the moon is moving away at a few centimeters every single year. And as the moon backs off of Earth, our weather patterns are going to get more hectic and chaotic. And the wobble is going to be uncontrollable to the point where life won't be able to exist. Not, our kind of life won't be able to exist on this planet. So just losing the moon alone in a few million years is going to destroy us.
So we have to create breakaway civilizations. We have to get out of here. Which is what all these other advanced civilizations in these ancient texts have done.
Well, it only makes sense, if Terrence is correct about this idea of the Goldilocks zone, it only makes sense. And if there are other planets somewhere in another galaxy or ours that have the same exact sort of features. Water, the same temperature, the same mixture of amino acids and whatever the hell else is here that makes life. And then it happens there too. It just makes sense that some places are going to be more stable.
So they're going to have less natural disasters. So people will evolve faster and longer. They'll exist longer. But then there's the argument that the natural disasters are actually good. Because the natural disasters knock us back down, if we're about to destroy everything.
Knock us back down to some much more primitive version of ourselves. And then we have to rebuild society again over thousands of years. Which to the universe is a blink of an eye.
That's a blink of an eye. You're right. That's exactly what happened in the Emerald Tablets. You know, 36,000 years ago, Thoth, he arrives in this place called the Land of Khem. Ancient Khemit, before it was known as Egypt.
His father sent them on a mission to rebuild civilization back up to a higher level. Meaning that it already was at a higher level prior to this flood situation. And he says he gets into the great ship of the master and he takes off into the sky until the earth disappears. And then he goes to the appointed and he sees beneath him the children of the Land of Khem. And he descends down.
He doesn't sail in. He descends down. And when his ship lands, he opens his doors and he comes out with his crew. And he says the barbarians came at him to attack him with kludges and spears. He says, I raised my staff and sent out a ray of vibrations, stopping them still as fragments of stone of the mountain.
So he had a stun gun. He had a weapon that, you know, not lethal, non-lethal weapon that can freeze you in your tracks. And we have something just like that now in the military called the act of denial system. They can send a beam and a crowd coming to attack and make them stop still right in their tracks. They can make you feel like you're on fire, make you feel like you want to vomit.
They can even put voices in your head. They can make you be in extreme, extreme pain. It's called the act of denial system. So he's talking about technology back then that we have right now.
Dude, look at that. Do you think that's what that Havana syndrome thing is?
It's possible, man. This thing, if you put it above, like in the sky and aiming at an area and a beam spreads a little bit, you can create mass illness, mass sickness, mass hysteria. You can have everyone running around thinking that they've got somebody talking to them and telling, commanding them to do certain things. It's out of control. This weapon can be fully weaponized in a lethal way, in a way that can make people become psychotic.
You can make somebody think they're burning and on fire.
Whoa.
Active denial system demo.
Can we listen to what this guy's saying?
It can deter individuals on a military perimeter all the way up to a riotous crowd. All without permanent harm. It only penetrates 1, 6th, 4th of an inch of your skin. Goes very shallow into where your nerve receptors are.
They can't take the pain.
Whoa. No permanent injury caused by it. So what does it do to them?
It's on a frequency, a beam of frequency, just like Thoth says in the Emerald Tablets. I put this in my book because it's important.
Any of the guests volunteer to test out its effectiveness and safety, including the assistant commandant of the Marine Corps. Wow, he said fuck it. He said fuck it. The assistant secretary of the Navy. Most, described it as feeling like a hot oven or grill being opened up.
It is something that.
. Wow.
So that's what he used on them, thousands of years ago.
Holy shit. That video's from 2012.. Or something like it.
2012?
Oh, now they turned you into a statue.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Now it's over. In Medusa. Yeah. Medusa. Holy shit.
What do you think Medusa was? Frequency technology.
Imagine that. Imagine that story. We always thought that was just some crazy story. But imagine there's a technology back then that can actually turn you into stone. Right.
Now that we know that people can do things like that, and then we would imagine a thousand years of evolution, 10,000, 500,000, whatever these people are. Yeah. Whatever these things are that have the ability. It's kind of disappointing that they're still waging war, though. I've got to tell you that.
Yeah, it's crazy. That's a bummer. That's a real archaic mindset. You know, we have to find a way to rise above. This is why we need to understand exactly what happened, and how do we overcome what's been embedded into our epigenetic memories?
Because we're suffering from epigenetic mental hysteria, which is psychosis, and this war psychosis. We've been programmed, as human beings, to have consumption and fighting and competition over collaboration. Yeah. Everything is designed to keep us separate. Divide and conquer is the main mission, and it works so well for so many thousands of years.
This divide and conquer tactic that's been burnt into our DNA and our code has put us in a situation where we are not advancing as we should be. We're getting now. this technology leaked out to us, and yes, that's advancing pretty fast, but consciously and spiritually, it's holding us back. Everyone's putting themselves in boxes and saying, I'm a part of this thing, and I'm a part of that thing, and then we don't work together.
No, that's such an important point, and it needs to be drilled into people's heads. Yeah. We're distracting ourselves by getting involved in these stupid arguments over stupid things. Right. There's really important issues with the world, and those aren't being addressed.
One of the big ones is how do you stop people from killing each other? Right. How do you stop war? How do we stop this insane practice of having groups of people go up against groups of people they'd never even met and killing them?
Exactly.
Then we're all okay with this? We talk about how this is normal, and this has to be done, and war is ugly, and it's unfortunate, but we have to do it? Yeah. Are you fucking sure? Who's pulling the strings here?
People with $10,000 suits that don't get on the front line. Yeah. They send poor kids and young kids, young men and women, to die. Yeah. Exactly.
It's all about money.
It's all about money, and Smedley Butler wrote about it in 1933.
War is a racket. Yeah. That's right.
Read that from 1933, folks, and this was a general who—was he a general? He was general. Was his rank? Yeah. General.
He was a general who was retiring, and he wrote this piece about how he thought he was preserving democracy. He was really just making the place safe for bankers.
It's an ugly business that Eisenhower tried to warn us about in his leaving from office speech.
That's right.
When he stepped down, or when he was no longer the president, he left office and gave a speech about warning about the military-industrial complex and its influence.
He sure did.
I don't think they knew back then that people would be able to have YouTube and just watch that. If that's how they did it back then, imagine how good they are at it now.
Oh, man. They're masters at neuroscience. Applying neuroscience to the general population, they are masters at it, and they know how to get into the psyche of a human being, and they know how to turn us against each other while they themselves chop it all up. Like I always say, there is no Democrat or Republican. It doesn't exist.
The only thing that exists is a group of elite oligarchs that torture men, women, and children worldwide. That exists. They capitalize and monetize us, and they put their boot on our neck. But the thing that is left-wing and right-wing, I think it's the same bird.
Yeah. It's all just money. Yeah. It's all money, and they use social issues, whatever they are, whether it's Christianity or abortion rights or whatever it is. They just use those.
It's like little moves that they put in their little game. Yeah. And really what it's about is enriching themselves and staying in power. And the best way to stay in power is to control narratives and to control influence and make people believe a very specific thing and drill it into their head. But the problem is, like, I think human beings are more awake now than ever before, and they know this game.
now. At least a large number of us know this game.
It's shifting so fast. Yeah. It's shifting, like, incredibly fast, which is great. How old are you, Billy? I'll be 53 in September.
You look great.
Thanks, man.
So you and I are basically close to the same age. I'm 56.. And when we were kids, this version of the world was never discussed. You would have to be a complete kook to think that money is why wars are started. Oh, come on.
No one would ever do that.
Right.
You would be a complete kook to think that the pharmaceutical drug companies lie about their drugs. What are you talking about? They can't do that. They would be arrested. Yeah.
You'd be a kook. Yeah. And now, especially after the pandemic, that's how everybody feels. And watching these wars go on between Ukraine and Russia and Palestine and Israel, you're like, what the fuck is going on?
In the 21st century, this is still happening right now.
In large scale. And people are having debate over the acceptable amount of numbers of women and children that are allowed to die in a war.
Right. It's insane. It's insanity. It's insane. Earth is, you know, partly, it's a giant mental facility.
Mental health is a major issue on this planet. Yeah. When a person can look at someone and say they deserve to die because of their beliefs or their non-belief, that's a major problem. That's a sign of mental illness.
It's also a sign of like a spoiled child. It's almost like we skipped the line. Right. We didn't really do it. We didn't pay our dues to become people.
Yeah. We got turned into people. Yeah. You're right.
Anthropologists are looking at chimpanzees now and they're looking at them saying they're entering into the Stone Age. Yeah. Like, they're using tools now. Now, if you watch that same chimpanzee and you went a few million years in the future, who knows what it looks like? Probably looks like an upward looking human that has much more intricate tools.
Yeah. Who knows? if it's created stone weapons, structures, houses, they may develop a language. True. You could watch chimpanzees over the course of evolution, but that's too slow.
And so if you were another highly intelligent being from another planet, they're going to get there.
Give them a little push.
Give them a little something.
And the evidence of that is in some tablets called the Myth of Adapa, which means first man. The Myth of Adapa, an ancient Sumerian text. It's a tablet. And in this tablet, you can buy the book Myth of Adapa on Amazon. You can read it for yourself, completely translated.
And translated by scholars, by the way. And it's talking about the fact that, according to the Anunnaki, human beings were created in a way that, genetically, we were supposed to become more superior than them. They didn't know this was going to happen. And Lil was angry at his brother Enki, because Enki put a little extra in the sauce. Yeah, a little extra.
And he said that the mysteries to unlock the secrets of the universe is hidden within our bodies. And that we ourselves can rise to be even higher than them. This is a major thing to be putting into text like this. Now, who sits around and writes this?
That sounds insane. Yeah. How do they specifically describe that?
They describe it just like that. It says that human beings, or man, Adapa, Adapa was created to be even higher than us. And that all the secrets of the universe, the mysteries, are within our body. And I believe that because when I started studying DNA, that took me into a whole DNA study. I discovered this scientist called George Church.
And he created this e-book that he was able to take from a digital format. And he was able to download it onto one drop, one gram of DNA, a digital book. He converted it from A's, C's, T's, and G's, from 0's and 1's, I'm sorry. He converted it from 0's and 1's into A's, C's, T's, and G's. Read, write, put it on the DNA.
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