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And so I think that was like a North Star that people can have, you know, when they conceive of something in high school or college, or even younger, these dreams or goals are, I think, divinely inspired and kind of align us with our higher purpose. And so I was blessed and fortunate to be named by Donald Trump when he was president in his first term, to represent the United States in the Kingdom of Denmark. And that's Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands. But I had been running our family business. It was a commercial real estate business.

And I'm a mom. My husband passed away in 2015.. And, you know, I had been very, very active in Republican politics for decades. But I had seen that a lot of the people that I worked to help get elect, they weren't really working for the people. They were working because they liked their pensions and their cocktail parties in Washington, D.C.

and on that circuit. And and I really feared that we were losing our country to the I'll just call them radical left Democrats, who no longer love our country, who don't share our values anymore, who don't support our greatest ally in the Middle East, Israel. And that is a shift that I never thought I'd see in America. But I remember maybe 10 years ago, maybe even less, the Democrat platform was being explained from the podium and the people in the audience, the party members, booed when they talked about Israel and they talked about, you know, sort of key values that we as Americans had shared over the decades.

But I found that as ambassador, they told us this that when we went through ambassador school, they said, you're going to use every skill and knowledge set that you have ever gained in life. You're going to need it as ambassador. And it's true, because I ran for the Senate in Pennsylvania last cycle. And being an ambassador for President Trump in a Western European country is harder than being a candidate in a statewide race just because they're. it's very, very challenging.

We'll leave it at that, even with our great allies.

You went to ambassador school. Now, is that what is ambassador school? Is that part of the Foreign Service Institute or what?

And so, and then we had country specific briefings in various areas. So we were, I think, exceptionally well prepared to go off to post. Now, there's no preparation like the first day. Right. I mean, that's like you're.

you're in the water and you've never done this before. But even the non careers had never done this before. So even it's challenging for anyone to go and run an embassy where you haven't done the hiring. Mostly, you may have hired your assistant or your deputy. But everybody else is, you know, they're, they're not yours.

It's not like you're running a private company, which I had done. And instead, you had to create a coalition and get people engaged and committed to your mission and then get them to help fulfill your mission and make it their mission. So how do you do that? How do you achieve wins for the United, the people of the United States, and and do it so that our country becomes wealthier, more secure, and we build those ties that we need to succeed? Wow, wow.

I, you know, I'll tell you one of the first stories. Last fall, I was invited down to Panama, to kind of, you know, by Michael Yan and Vander Steele. And I wanted to personally, I wanted to kind of check out the Chinese influence down there in the upcoming election, which went the populist way. Somebody from the embassy reached out to us and from Ambassador Ponte, and they wanted it talk to us. And, you know, our response and my response was, well, we can talk, but everything's going to be on the record, out in the open.

You know, I think I think bottom line, I think the person was sent to silence us. I was very disappointed by this whole encounter. So what? what's going on? Do you think it's Foreign Service Institute?

Do they teach America first values at the Foreign Service Institute?

And the number one trading partner for many, maybe a majority of those countries is not the U.S. or a neighbor country. It is China. So when, when we are not succeeding in our own hemisphere with trade, with security cooperation, when that is being wrested from us by China without us resisting, we've got a problem, for instance. And regarding putting America first.

I think that is a good point. The Foreign Service Institute does a fantastic job preparing ambassadors with the government rules. There's a lot that non-career ambassadors don't know about these directives and laws that surround working for the government. They have acronym names, the FAM, the FA, and you have to follow the rules.

And and that is an important education. But I think that if there was one change, it probably would be and not just at the Foreign Service Institute, but across the U.S. government. The fact that we're all working for the American people and the American taxpayers, not for foreign governments or the women of some oppressed country. Name one oppressed country, because that's not our mission.

Our mission is actually to benefit the American people. full stop. And so if it doesn't fall into that bucket, I don't believe this is my personal opinion. Now, I'm not speaking for President Trump, the Trump campaign or America First Policy Institute. I think every action personally should benefit the American people.

Fascinating, fascinating. I, yeah, I had a number of encounters. I'm not going to say which countries are in. There is one very, very important strategic partner that I would travel to regularly. And they had an acting ambassador for a moment.

Oh, yeah. And I want to ask you about that. Charging affair versus ambassador. But they had an acting, oh, I guess they would have been a charging affair until this is, during the Obama years. But they said things.

I just felt like throttling this person. I, this is what I always learn in the special operations community and government service, working with, working very sensitive matters with foreign partners. They love authenticity and transparency and they can see right through non-authenticity and non-transparency. And this one country, the person was very, very, both in the prep meetings and in the actual meetings with the partner nation.

There's a difference between self-deprecating humor and bashing the United States. And they definitely bashing the United States. I just, it blew my mind. I mean, where is, where does this, where does this come from? But I saw that in a number of times.

I just, just blew my mind.

It's not post-World War II anymore that we're not helping them survive. They're rich and they can afford to do things like pay for their own defense. They choose not to. And we allow it. It's kind of like keeping a grown child on an allowance and not requiring them to pull their weight and grow up.

And instead, we continue to just take care of them as if they're. As if they are our child, when they're not our people, the people of America are the ones who should be supported and helped by our tax dollars and our government. But instead, it seems like we want to take care of everybody. But at home, wow. I mean, you and I are in airports all the time and they're.

they're pretty crummy in the US. Not all the roads are looking so good. We've got bridges that fall down even when presidents visit them. So, you know, there's, there's infrastructure needs in our country as our country matures. And those investments, I mean, all that money shoveled out by this Congress with this leftist Democrat President Biden and Vice President Harris.

And we can see not a lot of good. There's some things happening on the highways and things. But you for I'll just throw out an example. Eight billion dollars have been appropriated to build electric car chargers. Now, notwithstanding, that, government has never built a gas station on private property for citizens to to buy gas.

But they're literally they've. they've. they've spent about eight billion dollars. And I think they have around. No.

Yeah, they have around eight, seven or eight car chargers have actually been built. And I'm not sure they all work. And so you can see that government is just so wasteful. It misappropriates capital. It squeezes out private investment.

And, and so when you give government more and a bigger mandate, good things don't come of it. Instead, what happened under President Trump when he did his historic tax cuts and Jobs Act, it? it set our country's economy on just on a on a wonderful path to success. It unleashed the animal spirits when he reduced regulations. By the end of the administration, I think eight regulations were removed for every new regulation.

He had promised two regulations would go away for every new one. But he actually achieved eight regulations removed for every new regulation. And that just benefited the mom and pop shops especially. They don't have armies of lawyers like these big corporations do to keep up with the just the tsunami of regulations that the Biden-Harris administration have just piled on their.

I was in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. And this is what the Dems and do-gooder socialists don't understand is the drag coefficient of regulation. They say, you want to cut taxes and these regulations help people. No, they don't. They deter, they inhibit.

And I remember drawing up that target list. So many things, so many things that really make things go slower, cost more, inefficient. Wow. Wow. We got.

we got a couple of minutes left. I wanted to go down at the beginning of the next one. I want to ask you about negotiating skills, because you said something there a few minutes ago that I thought was very important. And I'll share a story I just learned from a career FSO.

But the time remaining, what was the number one issue with Denmark? Was there a number one issue with Denmark to work?

We hadn't had a diplomatic relationship in Greenland for 67 years. When I got there, we had our most northern base in the world up in northern Greenland called Tullier Base, which now is named by an Inuit name, Pitific Space Base, because President Trump created Space Force and it's part of Space Force. And so it's an early warning radar system, protects us against North Korean missiles. And so that was my number one goal. So there's one.

But the other was Denmark is rich, super rich, isn't paying its fair share to NATO. And it's not just about paying money, which they're not paying as much as they should. And they say they will. They said they would by 2024.. We're here.

They're not. And they're saying, well, we're going to buy, I don't know, X now, 2030, 2032, whatever it is. But the fact is, it's not just money. They're not recruiting and training enough young soldiers. They're soldiers.

When I visited the forces in the NATO forces, and I think it was Poland, I met Welsh soldiers and I met Danish soldiers. The Danish soldiers could have been the parents, the fathers of these Welsh soldiers. They were so old. They were maybe 10 years younger than me. That's how old they were.

So, beyond the fighting age for men, more, you know, more close to leadership or retirement age. And so they're not training, they're not buying enough equipment. And then nobody's maintaining their equipment. I mean, Germany, most of the tanks when I was there, they weren't even operable. They all had to be refurbished.

So there's a lot of there's a lot of lack of initiative in the, in the European countries. And they're big talkers. And I know they can do more and they should do more.

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One of the things that you mentioned, defense, spend right at the tail of the last segment here. And I think Denmark is right at 2 percent now. But for most of the last 20 years, that that metric was in effect. They have not been at 2 percent. Horrible, horrible.

What do you, Senator Wicker said? 5 percent is the new 2 percent. What do you think about that? And should we be in holding our partners feet to the fire?

But they can. They just have to be able to absorb it, you know, absorb the responsibility and then perform. But, for instance, a lot of our NATO allies are not producing what NATO has asked them to do. If you're going to be a member of a club, you have to pay in your dues and you have to do whatever is required. And there's a report card that comes out on every country from NATO.

And until a couple of years ago, Denmark would actually publish it online, what their report card was. And it said, you know, that NATO expected a medium heavy brigade brigade, but they they weren't going to in any case be ready to to deliver that. So so the the requirements that NATO puts on these countries, they're not necessarily fulfilling them. We need actual, honest partners that can defend their own territory. That's Article three of NATO, is that you have to defend your own territory before Article five.

You come to the defense of your allies. Most. I mean, look at the defense of the UK. They could not prosecute that war in the Falklands today. They don't have the Navy for it.

Look at our Navy forces, what we had after World War One or World War Two. And then look at us. today. I think we're down to maybe 300 ships from thousands. So is that?

do we have credible deterrence against rapidly modernizing China? The PRC is rapidly modernizing and building up their military and they're spending a lot more than they're disclosing. Remember, there's a lot. So if in the U.S. we over classify information in China, they put out a fake number and then they've got the real number background.

So you don't believe anything that comes out of China, whether it's economic numbers or military spending numbers. But they're innovative, as is Russia. Russia is learning a lot in this Ukraine war. And I fear that our Pentagon is so. this is me personally talking, not for President Trump or his campaign or AFPI.

But I believe that our Pentagon is so 1950s, centered, like old style and not nimble, as we must be in a world that is rapidly modernizing with AI. And I know that our military is great. It's the greatest military in the world. But we must adapt to the times. And I don't think, I don't think that we're adapting quickly enough.

I got so many things. You're just fantastic.

I was speaking with a career foreign service officer about two weeks ago, and they said something that I said, hold it, stop. What did you just say? Because I said, I didn't know this in my entire 40 year career in uniform and as a civilian for the government. He said, FSOs never receive any formal training in negotiating skills. And it ties in with something you said at the beginning.

We and I go, that blew me away. I said, in special operations, as a senior civilian, I went through a number of formal courses and training on how to conduct a negotiation. And most people say, well, hey, I had a college degree. I've bought a car. I bought a house.

I know what to do in negotiation. Come on. I mean, this is insulting. I have to go through a negotiation. And I go, wow, that blew me away.

I said, so, you have FSOs, foreign service officers, who are responsible for life and death decisions, negotiating the American position, who have, according to this FSO, zero training in negotiations. I go, wow, that is something we need to change. No wonder we give away the farm and we haven't even gotten to the table yet. What are your thoughts on that?

And if you haven't been in private business and really hung by your fingernails from the windowsill, you don't really understand how to really negotiate. And I'll just give you, like the most mundane example. At my residence, we had a front drive and we had a back drive and the back drive had an easement over an easement for more than 100 years before the Nazis had that residence. That was an easement to the back gate of that house. And that's how they load in supplies, how they load in for big parties.

And, and so the team was like, well, we're going to have to, you know, tell them, we're only going to use it X, Y, Z. And I'm like, are you kidding me? This is a historical easement we have. I went into the documents for the, you know, the that the commune, the local authorities had given to this residence before it was owned by the U.S. government.

And I was like, absolutely not. This is a historical easement. We're not giving an inch, not a, not a centimeter.

This is a personal dispute and we need to apologize to the neighbor for the, for the irritation that he's been caused by a rogue employee. And we need to make this right. Well, you know, the lawyers get engaged. This is, you know, a European issue and blah, blah, blah. And do you want to give never an inch?

We never. just like Mike Pompeo's book, we never gave an inch because it was we were right. And if you don't understand going, looking at the law and precedent and and standing your ground, you can lose everywhere. And, and so I was happy to help a little bit there. But I think that the the tendency is to just kind of head scratch and not know what to do and not understand that, that there's no reason to give in unless there's a good reason.

And then you you better have that reason why you would capitulate on something where you stand with with authority and in the right.

Very, very good. I I went into a lot of complex discussions with our foreign partners and I I'll just leave it at this. I usually knew in advance, pretty clear detail their thoughts and opinions and feelings on what, what we were talking about. And afterwards, I kind of knew in great detail their thoughts and opinions about the whole proceedings.

And and and and I was. I also trained, gone through a number of trainings on how to establish negotiating positions and different courses of action. What is the agenda? What is the desired outcome?

And I just it just blows me away, because I've seen so many FSOs and careerists that I just get circles run around them. And and and the other side knows that if they just. Cross their arms and look uninterested, the Americans will, will cave and fold in a heartbeat, they'll fold like a lawn chair, you know, nothing flat, just unbelievable.

And the Greenlanders were so angry about this, they stopped all meetings with Americans, all the tracks of cooperation meetings. They ceased all. they ceased talking to us. Basically, they were so angry. And so it was a thorn in the side of the U.S.-Denmark relationship, too, because Greenland's part of Denmark, part of the kingdom.

And Denmark controls the security and the foreign policy of Greenland as part of their semi-autonomous status as Greenlanders.

And, and so I would go and sit down at the Pentagon, like, I don't know, every six weeks or eight weeks, and ask, could we renegotiate this Thule Air Base agreement, the maintenance agreement, and get to a good place? Even the Greenlandic premier wouldn't meet with me for more than the first year I was there. They were so upset. We would meet on the sidelines, but no formal engagement. He couldn't, because the people were so upset.

In fact, they were so upset that the Greenlandic pilots, when I would fly up there, would speak to me through clenched teeth about how they better not lose the airlift contract and the sea lift contract, as they had lost that maintenance contract. They were. so the Greenlanders were very, very angry. And we don't want that because China had made inroads there. They had rolled out the red carpet and tried to pull Greenland into their Belt and Road initiative, flown over the premier and his government, you know, the C-suite meetings.

What can we do for you? They wanted to finance and build, with the state-owned enterprise, the airports up in Greenland. And to date, it had been that the U.S. military, when we occupied Greenland during World War II, had built all the airports and all the ports. China, the PRC, tried to buy one of our old deepwater ports that we had given to Greenland after we left Greenland.

But how we got that done was really challenging to get that base contract renegotiated because the Pentagon was happy with it. And I understood they were saving American taxpayers dollars. That's important. But you also have to have a foreign policy strategy. You have to be able to have a relationship.

And when you take money from people without a good return for the American people, that's also not a win. And so we were able to renegotiate it with support from Greenland and Denmark and the U.S.

U.S. DOD and reestablished a diplomatic relationship and were able to put that consulate in Greenland while I was there. So my team and my team worked so hard on that, those issues. They, I mean, they never stopped. I think they were happy to have a rest left, actually, because we were so engaged with this sort of security cooperation agreements.

And we also got a trade and, you know, in other ways, cultural cooperation with Greenland and with the Faroe Islands, because they want trade with the U.S. And and so we were able to deliver those highly desired outcomes to those folks.

PIDFIC. PIDFIC. OK, so, and it was like, oh, this is really a bad situation and we got to make sure this doesn't happen. So is Huawei out of there? They're not.

They didn't provision.

So Faroe Islands, Greenland and Denmark. And I began to talk about them like almost day one, about China, China challenge. And please be aware. Wake up, read these studies, read what they're doing.

And and we were successful. Denmark was the first country to come out and say we're not going to use now that everybody's afraid of China and losing that trade. So they didn't say China. They were the foreign minister at that time, was the first one in all of Europe to come out publicly and say we're not going to use 5G equipment from a non-democratic country. And that's code for China.

And then we also encouraged him, and he did lobby other EU heads, foreign ministers and heads of state to not use Chinese made 5G, largely Huawei. There's other companies, too. But that was the one that was. it's one of the Chinese champions. Now they are building back up, but we did knock them down for a while, understanding that the reason not to use Chinese made 5G is the 5G is not about you and I talking or people making a phone call to their friend.

Largely, it's industrial processes. So it's how does your electric grid work? It's going to run it. It's going to run. the 5G is going to run the water systems of your nation or your state.

It's it's running public transportation. Everything that's done electronically would be run on that backbone of the Chinese 5G. And so they could do anything they wanted. You don't behave the way they want or say the right thing. They're going to turn something off.

Your grid goes down the water. And so those attacks could happen and certainly would at will. And so because they put not Keith Kroc, who, who was our E at the State Department and a phenomenal man who now has a tech diplomacy center at Purdue, used to say Huawei doesn't have a backdoor to get in and manipulate. They have a front door and it's purpose built to metal. And Africa is in great peril because of that Huawei incursion into Africa, all their comms.

I'm sure it's a big challenge to keep any secret because of Huawei's incursion into Africa and and how they've bribed and manipulated into into positions of control.

I spent years, part of the team pursuing Huawei, finally beat him down in the American market. Everyone will be right back. This Colonel Rhett John, with Ambassador Carla Sands, just having a great dialogue.

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and they just January this year they finally gave up on the American market period not just the American government market, but just the American market. and good for us, too bad for them, because they they are a giant vacuum cleaner right through the front door.

it's I call it the flying Huawei, and I've been going back and forth with the Costco general counsel on this topic and just trying to explain look, this is, this is absolutely ridiculous and sooner or later it's going to be significant liability to Costco because you turn rotors, you have to authenticate your personal phone, which means now your personal phone and all its information is authenticated to the DJI servers in Guangzhou, right across the border, and Shenzhou right from Hong Kong, and willfully enabling the Chinese mass collection system. we just had a student here I think it was went from felonies to misdemeanors a Chinese student who, in the spring here, decided to fly a DJI drone over Newport News ship, a shipyard, and yeah, you tell me that wasn't a Chinese Intel operation.

bad thing, not one, but five. the Bahamas, and I've been invited down there. I'm going to take a little trip to the Bahamas to kind of see what's going on. Haiti's collapsed. Haiti was one of the few nations that recognizes Taiwan.

wonder why it recollapsed there. but Bahamas is a situation. I gotta, I gotta ask you this situation. I've never seen a situation. there's a charge aid affairs in the Bahamas, which I think is a bad idea.

they need an ambassador. I don't understand why for years it's been a charge aid affairs. that charge aid affairs is French, for we don't care enough about the country to.

so they're acting in places. the ambassador and that's what charge a affairs means. and and they're necessary if you go traveling, you your charge a steps in. if you go for a medical emergency, the charge is in charge. if you leave the country and leave your post which many politicals do they don't always stay the whole time the charge a becomes the acting ambassador, and so that that's an important position that we need.

but they also need to be held accountable by the administration's, no matter Democrat or.

I've never seen this. the current chargé d'affaires and his names escaping me came from Diplomatic Security Service. I said I've never seen a charge a come from DSS before. that was really weird, that's.

I sure don't think it was street crime. I think it was a. I think it was a Chinese hit. Don Sanders was killed just out of the capital in Nassau. I'm really suspicious, but we have a sensitive US facility there.

it's public. you can, everybody can read about it and guess who provisions the IT for the entire island starts with an H. wow, so bad idea, bad idea. so we got about 10 minutes left. here I got a laundry list of other things.

where do we start? so Oh, kind of a little thing with Denmark. was Denmark part.

they bought a few f-35s. I would imagine NATO is going to ask them to purchase more. I also took them to Raytheon. they, when I went in there on their frigate and looked inside their missile silos, there were no missiles, and so I said to the head of their military okay, you know, these are great silos, but where are the missiles? they were like oh, madam ambassador, we can't afford to buy the missiles.

I was like really rich Denmark. no missiles in the silos. what's gonna happen if you're attacked? so we talked about it a lot in the news, and so they did buy missiles for their silos. but they are great partners.

I mean these are. these are things they need, you know, to be pressed by their their security partner to do more. we all took that peace dividend and spent less on our defense. we're still crawling out of a hole, I think, from the peace dividend when the wall fell and the Soviet Union fell and we put more money into social programs and things like that. but we have to be safe before we can put money into social programs.

we have to be secure. but Denmark was a great partner on blocking the Nord Stream 2, that Russian gas pipeline. the only place it was never completed was in first Danish waters and then their EEZ, and then we had the threat of sanctions, which I worked with with our ambassador or Chargé in Germany to work on sanctions on the providers to you know, the, the people that were fulfilling that contract on Nord Stream 2, the Russian gas pipeline, and we know the story. what happened is Joe Biden was elected president and within a few months. well, the first day he killed Keystone XL pipeline and then within several months, he said you know I'm not going to sanction that Russian gas pipeline, Nord Stream 2, and I think that's one of the pieces of the puzzle that Putin needed to get the green light to go into Ukraine.

I think the second one was when he saw the Afghanistan withdrawal and when these, you know, these people don't know what they're doing. and then the third, when Joe Biden and I think Kamala was standing there. I can't remember, but Kamala Harris was part of it. he said from the podium well, if there's a minor incursion into Ukraine by Russia, we're gonna let it go. he literally said that, and so that was the third, I think, piece of the puzzle that Putin needed.

I don't believe, if Donald Trump had been in the White House, that Putin would ever have invaded Ukraine. I do not believe that would have happened. I do not believe that the awful atrocities that happened when Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th of 2023 I don't think that would have happened if we had a strong leader in the White House. so leadership matters, and I hope that we will have stronger leadership in 2025..

what for the new administration? what are kind of some of the three, maybe three basic recommendations you would make for the D instrument or the diplomatic?

uh, I think it's actually ineffective.

the the Democrat worldview of dealing with international partners. and I I just it. just they don't assert an American position. the other, they don't know how to play hardball. they only play hardball with our friends, not with malign nations.

just it's the, it's the.

The perfect example is neither neither Biden nor Harris was at the plane steps when Netanyahu got off the plane just a few days ago. our greatest security ally in our greatest ally in the Middle East at in a hot war right now that we're helping them with. you have to show support to the world. the whole world is aligned against Israel right now and has become largely anti-semitic, and yet our Democrat party is also joining that that's.

that in itself was a message and an insult.

we actually work for the commander-in-chief and I think a lot of people in the U.S. government employ we've learned this. I have have forgotten that that they work for the commander-in-chief and are supposed to follow his and his his directives. David Bernhardt wrote a great book. you report to me that your listeners can go and and seek out.

he worked at interior under President Trump, but under other presidents in the past, and so he talks about that challenge of having these lone rangers out there, subverting, um, the work of uh that they're supposed to be doing. wow, wow, hey, ambassador this.

my thesis is it's actually lawful to to have a third term, since there was a break in services.

we're working to bring back america first, um, america first laws and and uh, and regulations that benefit the american people and don't hurt them. and then i'm on twitter, probably hottest on twitter at carlah sands, on instagram and facebook a little bit at carla sands, and i look forward to um hearing people's comments and i'm really i admire what you're doing. thank you so much, colonel john mills.

this has been colonel rett john, with just the fabulous ambassador, carla sands, and this has been the national security hour. we'll see you on the next episode.