Armchair Anonymous: Crazy Concerts

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Yeah, you can. Well, the last one.

Yeah, you can listen to that one.

Okay, great. So these, you can listen. Proceed. So these are crazy concert stories. But additionally, we want to announce the prompts for February.

Maybe you'll share it.

I doubt anyone will be able to stop me. So. crazy AA stories. Disastrous Valentine's Day.

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Very tasty. But today is crazy concert stories. Please enjoy.

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Okay.

Crazy concert stories. We can do it.

Fun.

Ready for Jess?

Jess, I'm ready for Jess. Jess.

Hello. Hi. Oh, hi.

Is this Jess?

Yes. How are you guys?

Good. Are you double checking that you're recording? I can tell you have a look of consernation on your face.

Yes, I was just making sure I'm recording. I missed a button. So my video wasn't starting. So I was like, please don't leave. So slight panic, but we're good.

Rest assured, all these start with a slight panic. What did you say, like 75%? Technical difficulty, something. Very par for the course.

Perfect.

Did you have a happy New Year?

I had the best New Year.

The best.

Literally just got back into town from London 12 hours ago. Wow. So the timing couldn't be more perfect.

What is New Year's Eve in London like?

Well, we actually got tickets to go down onto the Thames. So, like we did the whole fireworks down on the river. A hundred thousand people. Oh my gosh. It was insane, but so worth it.

Ah, enchanted.

So it's their version of Times Square?

Yeah.

And were you imbibing? Were you pounding Guinnesses or anything?

No, not at all. Not really my vibe.

No Mandy?

No. Me and two of my best friends went and it was magical to see the Christmas lights and do New Year's. It was everything. Oh, wonderful.

Yay, I'm so happy to hear that.

That's a resounding vote for going and it's an encouragement.

I'll go. I'm there. Very busy, but very much worth it.

Okay, so you have a crazy concert story that I presume did not take place in London. Although, who knows, because you're a world traveler.

No, it actually took place in Des Moines, Iowa.

Oh, wonderful.

This was in August of 2014..

Okay, great. Ten years ago, come August.

Okay, so something you should know about me is I collect set lists from concerts. And so I've got like five binders full of set lists from concerts dating back to like 2007. probably. I don't get one at every show.

Yeah, I was gonna say this is what they tape to the ground. Is that how you're getting it? What? That's so cool. So you've got to like bamboozle and charm people.

Yeah, yeah.

So I've got a cool one to show you, Dax, actually. So this is an Avent Brothers set list.

What?

Look how like creative, of course.

For the listener, it has a drawing on it.

There's a monster face in the middle of it.

Yeah, the Avent Brothers sound engineer does a special one for each show. And if you time it right, you can get one from him. And so that was a very special one to me.

I love this.

This isn't about the Avent Brothers, but I thought I had to show you that one.

I love that. And just really quick, obviously, your life is concerts. You love concerts and music.

Oh, my gosh. I counted my set list before the show, and I've got 175.. Wow. Oh my. That's just ones that I get at shows.

What do you think your batting average is?

Probably about half.

Wow.

OK, so you've been to like 400 concerts.

At least.

And an average ticket price will just, we're going to say $50, OK? So that's $404,000, then, times five. It's $20,000 on concerts.

That's a great way to spend your money. I love it.

It is experiential.

But also, maybe this is part of the story. So if it is, you can not answer. But how do you do this?

Well, she probably don't want to tell anyone because she doesn't want competition. I know, but I want to know.

Yeah, don't get any ideas, people. So it's kind of part of the story. I'll just get into the story.

There we go.

So I also kind of went through a phase of winning radio contests. Oh my god. My whole motto was, you can't win if you don't enter. So I was just putting my email on everything. And I've won a lot of cool experiences.

But outdoor.

Outdoors, yep. At this time, I had never seen this band before, so I was very excited. But I wasn't wanting to get all up in the middle of it. I was just kind of on the outskirts with my friend, just keeping it casual, enjoying the music. So concert gets over.

Yeah, you look like a puppy from a cartoon.

Yeah, you gotta, you know.

You gotta be a Dicksonian orphan.

And so I lock eyes with a roadie. Sometimes you can tell that it's the one. Sometimes you got to move on. They're not giving you the time of day. Well, I lock eyes with him and I say, may I please have a set list?

No!

Same time that I'm grabbing it. Uh-oh. So, mind you, this is computer paper. Like. this is what they print them on.

Yeah, he was giving it to you.

Yeah, what is happening? And so we like bring it over the barrier and we're standing there kind of squaring off. And I'm just like, he gave that to me. Please let go. And she is just maniacally laughing.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait. Wow, wow, wow. Wait. Wow.

Okay, so so many things are happening. She wanted it, but then she didn't. Then she's trying to destroy it, then she lets go. And then I'm going to fucking punch her, but I'm going to punch her in the vagina.

That's a very- Yeah.

Deadlocks, eyes with me, winds up, punches me in the vagina.

Okay, Jess, is it possible, because she was hammered, she thought she was being playful. Like. maybe she and her buddies punch each other in the vagina, like dudes on Jackass or something. Maybe she's a cheerleader.

Grab him by the pussy. She thought it was part of that thing.

Catch him by the pussy. Yeah. You can't say grab him by the pussy because that's different.

Oh, that was true.

I'm going to go with no based on her crazy laughter.

What was the band?

Group Love.

Hey, that's my first time hearing it.

They're probably spectacular. Yeah, but okay.

Rob, is that a band, you know?

Yeah, I know Group Love.

Of course he does. Would you do this? Would you punch a woman in the vagina if she had a setlet? You weren't even sure you wanted? No.

It was wild. And of course I let go.

Oh, you did.

It like. took the air out of me. It hurt. Yeah.

Can I ask some more specific questions? And if they're inappropriate, you just flag them and we won't continue. But did she punch your mom's pubis or did she get you in the clitoris? Because I feel like if you got punched in the clitoris, that would be extremely painful. Whereas the mom's pubis might be tolerable.

It was like bone.

It was bone.

Okay, so great.

She went like straight or up?

Uppercut or cross?

Because she was shorter than me. I think that maybe played into the location.

What if that was as high as she could punch? What Jess hadn't told us is that she was two foot four.

She wanted to punch your face, but that was as high as she could go.

And Jess didn't tell us she's six foot eleven. Right.

So I let go of the setlets because it takes the breath out of me. Almost doubled over. Maybe not so much pain as like what the hell just happened.

Shocks. Yeah. You've been struck. You've been assaulted.

Exactly. And she takes off with the setlist.

She won.

And I'll turn around to my friend and she saw this whole thing go down and we just bust out laughing, because what else can you do? Like, it was so ridiculous that you had to laugh.

See, now boys would have had this whole round of guilt that they didn't then punch the person who punched you in the vagina. She didn't feel any like I let you down here. I didn't cold cock her from the side.

No, like it happened so fast and we knew that she was drunk. I was mad in the moment. But like looking back, it's a funny story and I'm talking to you guys.

So, but you didn't get your list, and that feels unjust and it feels like violence won that day.

Well, here is going to be my question.

Just or did I? Yeah.

Okay. Okay.

There's more. I love more.

Really quick. I was just going to ask is generally, when I've been on a stage, the setlist is in front of all the musicians. It's not like there's just one.

How many are there normally?

Probably for each musician and then maybe some for the tax.

Absolutely. So I just kind of come to terms. I wasn't getting a set list. That's fine. I have this story.

Yeah, they'd want to know this happen at their show.

Yeah, exactly. I like wait my turn and I'm like just chatting with him, and I was like, I've got to tell you the craziest thing just happened. tell him the whole story and he goes, you know what? Wait right here. I'll be right back.

That's sweet.

You really earned that, though.

But then, when I was writing this story and I thought that the girl had run away with the whole set list. Well, come to find out, we had actually torn it in half, and so I still have.

that half to look at this.

You have one and a half set list signed by three of the members.

Oh, that's great.

I think I won the situation story. I get to chat with you guys.

Yeah, if you don't get blasted in the V, you're not getting those signatures or the second. It's true. It was worth it. I mean not that people should be trading.

No one should be punching anyone anywhere. But if you do find yourself getting punched, you probably earned something big in life.

That's right. Karma's coming your way.

What's the best set list? Like what's the one you're the most proud of?

I pulled it out for you guys. I was hoping you'd ask I cried when I got this one. I've got some big ones like the Eagles.

Oh, have you thought about like doing a coffee table book with all these? That's a good idea. That would be cool. It would be. Rob, do you want to publish that?

This is Adele.

Oh, wow.

Hello. I'm going to go through all of them.

That's amazing.

This was in July of 2016..

Hers is very simple.

I appreciate the simplicity.

Very English.

If I get a physical concert ticket, I put that in there too.

I love this.

This is so, Monica. It is. This is something she would have as well.

I just posted today for seeing my collection of Got Milk ads.

There you go. Yeah.

And it's very simple.

Yeah, it just makes me happy. And it's fun to look back on and remember those times and who I was there with.

Have you tried to get a job related to music and live performances?

Yes.

I worked for a venue in Des Moines for a couple of years. And it just kind of took the joy out of it.

Yeah, I don't mix work with pleasure.

That's what ruined this.

I was just too closed and knew too much.

It took the magic out of it.

Yeah. I'll go as a spectator. Enjoy it.

Finagle a set list, get punched in the crotch, and hit the road.

Are you a fan of Taylor? No, you're not.

Yeah, that face. No, I am. Oh, you are?

I'm the biggest fan. I don't know if you can tell.

Oh, my god, you're wearing a Travis.

I'm wearing my Travis Kelsey shirt.

Oh, my god. Whoa. OK, so then you went to the Eras tour? I did. Did you get one?

I did super last minute. I did it. And I'm going to be honest, I didn't even try. Yeah.

Yeah, don't try.

It was such a consuming experience. Leaving there was crazy. We didn't leave our row of seats for like five minutes. The lines just weren't moving. So I didn't even try, which I regret now.

If you had that in your possession?

You'd punch her in the vagina for it?

I'd send you a picture of it.

Yes, I would need that. Wow, so cool.

Well, now I want to get one for Jess. I feel like I should use all my superpower. What about for me? Jess has dedicated her whole life to this. I can't give it to you.

OK, if you go to the next, because there's more. If you go again, try to get one, and also try to get one for me. Of course.

And if I get one for you, I don't want to punch you in the vagina for it. But I would appreciate if you could kick me in the mom's pubis as a form of payment.

Pay it forward.

Pay, no more. Jess, so nice meeting you. And what an interesting and lovely. I feel like we just were on an episode of This American Life. Like, it's such a specific, wonderful.

I like the way it went. I'm really glad you won out in the end. Yeah. Happy ending.

I feel good about it.

Thanks for chatting with us. Yeah, great meeting with you.

You too. Have a happy new year. And happy birthday, Dax.

Oh, thank you. Oh, my god, happy birthday. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. All right.

If you honestly, Dax, if you get one and you give it to her, I'll be so pissed.

I would have to give it to her. Stop!

If you don't give me that, I'm quitting. And that you can.

Well, then you'll be pathetic and I'll have to give it to you.

OK.

I deserve it.

OK.

You didn't even know. it existed a second ago. And now you're like irritated that you don't have it.

If anyone is listening, who can get me this.

Get Jess the set list. And then, if you get a second one, give it to Monica.

She doesn't. even, she likes Travis.

I think because of Taylor.

Yeah.

I can't imagine. she owned that shirt eight months ago.

OK, just please, somebody get me that.

You're not even wearing a Travis shirt.

I'm never wearing a Travis shirt. I'm only wearing Taylor's shirt.

We both heard that look the same, though. We thought she was going, oh, I'm gonna disappoint, Monica. But she was like, no, I like her so much I might throw up right now. It was actually like deep.

If I knew about this six months ago.

Set list?

Yeah. You would have tried to get it. A hundred percent. Yes, of course.

Were you on the ground level, though? No. You would have had to been by the stage.

No, I would have jumped.

You would have been tackled by security trying to get to me.

And then I would ask them, do you have access to the set list?

As they're handcuffing you.

Yeah, that's what I would do.

That's what I did.

Ready for Joe?

I don't know. I gotta also mention. Joe is Taylor's ex-boyfriend.

Maybe he can get me one.

Let's ask him. Do you know what Joe looks like? Is he totally anonymous?

I know what he looks like.

Do you want to date him? Kinda?

I wouldn't.

Date him?

I would not date him. If it made Taylor mad at me, though, I wouldn't.

It's inevitable you become attracted to whoever you look up to. That's why, in high school, if the popular girl picks you, then all the girls like you. It's over. Joe? Is this Taylor's ex-boyfriend?

Not that ex-boyfriend. But it's okay.

We're so happy to have you. I'm happier to have you than Joe. No, you're not.

You'd love to have the ex-boyfriend on.

I was gonna say, am I better? We'll find out, I guess.

It's a little early.

Yeah, exactly. Give me 15 minutes. We'll feel it at the end of it.

Okay. We'll evaluate. We'll reserve all judgments to the end. Joe, where are you other than in a makeshift tent, which is adorable?

My wife wonderfully helped me kind of concoct this little tent thing here for us. I'm in Gloucester, Massachusetts, which is about 40 minutes north of Boston.

We've talked to some Gloucestrians. That crazy story we heard about buying the motorcycle was in Gloucester, I think.

That sounds right up the alley of Gloucester, I'm not gonna lie.

Yeah, and the dude invited him in and it was weirdly sexual. Do you remember that?

Vaguely.

He went in, he's like, I'll be back in five minutes. He came out naked, or something insane.

He went to go get a motorcycle. This was a Craigslist thing. And then he ended up, the guy got confused with the ad he put out. He thought it was a blowjob.

Because he also had a men searching men ad. Confused over what Craigslist.

That's wild. I've had some weird experiences with a bike guy here. So I was worried it was gonna be the same thing, but it was nothing sexual. When it took that turn, I was like, I had a different guy. Hopefully, at least.

Okay, so you have a crazy concert story. And did it take place in the Boston area?

So it did not. North, in Guilford, New Hampshire. I grew up in the Lakes region. And at the time, I was about 17 years old.

Really quick. So beautiful. there. Is Lake Winnipesaukee, that's one of them?

Exactly. So. I grew up in a little town called Barnstead, New Hampshire. It's about 10 minutes from the entrance of the Alton Bay.

Well, we know where we're at. Monica hates when I do this, but I...

Yeah, but I have a question for 2024.. Why do men love knowing where things are in, like, geography?

Well, A, we have been in charge of the navigation for about 300,000 years. That's one biological reason. Two, in an act of being not other, I want him to know. I've stood where you're at. I know the smell's there.

Why do men do that? Like, women? don't connect over geography.

Because you have breasts, so everything's handled. Well, no, just there's very little work for you to have to do. Whereas me, I got nothing to offer, Joe, other than that I've been to his hometown. Okay. That, clear that up?

Yeah, now I get it. Now Dax and I are connected. Monica, we got to connect somehow. I know.

For you were Joe Alwyn, and you're talking about geography.

I guess you did. You tried to, but I was not the ex-boyfriend.

Yeah, why do all women want to know if there's any relationship to Taylor Swift? I think that was just me.

Bingo, exactly.

Okay, so, sorry, we're up in New Hampshire.

So I should probably preface this with I'm a heavy concert goer. I lost count at 700 concerts.

Oh, my God.

I've got hearing loss, you know, all the fun stuff. I've been to too many concerts. Throughout college, I would book concerts. So I've always been kind of in that local scene, especially in Southern New Hampshire.

In like the punk genre? What genre?

Yes. So I grew up in the hardcore scene. Absolutely loved it. So fun. So there was like a bar we would always go to.

Sure.

Oh, my God.

My parents are just so nice, so sweet, and they are coming through to pick their son up and they get shot up. So it's just like, I've seen some stuff. We're back in Guilford, New Hampshire, and it's around 2010.. So I had a few friends who ended up wanting to go to this festival. that's happening in Guilford, at Gunstock Mountain.

They're used to dealing with Christian rock.

Exactly. People who are just going to kind of sit there and vibe out to the music, not really move a lot. And now you've got a bunch of punk kids who are moshing and having a really good time and a little bit more rowdy. So Eye of the Breather starts playing. They start seeing that the crowd's kind of feeling it and they start calling for what's called a wall of death.

Very reminiscent of Braveheart.

Great visual. I always hated these. I always thought they were dumb. Even at 17, I was like, I'm going to get hurt. But I was feeling it and I was like, you know what?

Oh, so someone, the guy who bear, hugged you from behind and I hate to gender profile, but I'm assuming it was a dude. He grabs you, bear hug, and then kind of lifts you up into the air.

That's exactly what happens. But the kicker to this is it wasn't just someone who's part of this wall of death. It was a security guard.

It was a youth group leader.

I don't know, but it was someone who worked for this festival.

Yeah, he got infected.

Yeah, he was feeling the band. I don't know if he singled me out for some reason. At this point, I've pieced together from my friends, because I've got about five or six friends that I came here with. And they've helped fill in all of this time where I'm unconscious. It was a security guard who, for some reason, felt like targeting me and just grabbed me, picked me up.

Now they're like, oh, everyone's shocked.

Oh, my God. Someone got hurt. I mean, I can't. I know. I know how you're feeling.

I am.

And here's what I'm thinking. Your internal monologue is like, why do you guys have to do this? What is it you're trying to prove?

Remember when I was upset about geography? Now this story is just like.

And so I'm hearing your inner monologue right now. It's just like, what do they have to prove? What are they trying to prove? And then I'm getting defensive in my head because I also did it. And then I was thinking, yeah, it's rite of passages.

When you're telling this story, I was thinking, this is so ridiculous. I want to say it. But if I say it, Dax will probably have to defend it. And he'll be upset because he was in the punk scene. He'll feel like I'm attacking him.

No, I'll acknowledge it's complete lunacy.

Okay.

And you didn't need to say it, because I knew exactly what you were thinking. And I thought it through myself.

How can the band be like, oh no, someone's hurt? When they just five seconds ago was like, yeah, go, kill each other.

And I'll tell you, from my point of view, what's happening is- And these are our presidents. From my point of view, what's happening when you're in? it is, on the surface, it's violent. But it is this really sweet spot of violence, which is like, you actually don't have ill will for anybody. All you're doing is confronting your own fear.

That's perfect. It's kind of one of those things where you're signing up for some bruises walking out.

It's stupid, but we are the boys that didn't play football. Normally, we'd be out getting banged up on the football field, which is fine. You're over there fucking cheering in your cheerleading outfit. That's okay that they're doing that. But because we're over here not doing the version you like of violence, we're pieces of shit.

I don't like football.

I was a competition.

There were no football players. Okay, but you agree, football, there's no difference between what we're doing and football.

CTE. All right.

It's just one of those things, too, where kids get knocked down, you run over, you pick them up. You're not trying to hurt people. Exactly what Dax was saying. You're trying to prove to yourself you're not afraid.

You don't need to keep convincing me because I get it. I definitely get it.

And let me acknowledge, it's stupid as fuck. I get it. Yeah, there's a bunch of boys swinging into each other.

Yeah, of course, man. And especially at this time. While at death, I was like, this is dumb as hell, but I'm gonna do it. That teenage mindset.

Well, and you get high afterwards. You're like, I was afraid, I lived, and this was fun.

It was a great story, great memory, right?

It's a roller coaster.

It is a roller coaster. And we're not done with the story either, which is kind of the funniest part.

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I'm blacked out, obviously right now, unconscious. Pretty sure I have a concussion. I did rehash this with my best friend, Jeff Wheeler. I gave him a call before I did this just to make sure I don't miss any parts here. But he was like.

Oh, scary.

Reaching for the sky, and obviously they all made the jokes of like God was talking to you because you're at this Christian festival. Very funny.

Oh.

So I'm not doing great. Band essentially stops all the set and everyone's like, is this kid okay? From what they said, it's about a minute of me being unconscious. Everyone's circled around me. Oh, my gosh, what's going on?

This is your first time seeing them.

They are calling for me to get up. And everyone's just pushing my body without realizing I'm on my feet, but I'm unconscious and they're getting me up there. So I'm getting pushed over the barrier and I come to kind of falling over the barrier, looking up, seeing that I am out on the other side of the crowd and the band singer is extending his hand to bring me up on stage. So I'm like, what do I do? This is crazy.

Oh boy.

They're all coming over to me and giving me like pats on the back. Like the lead singer arms, right? And I'm like dude. at this point. I'm like, where am I?

Oh, I want to see it. Can you show it to us?

I was going to say so. I think I can send it to you guys in the chat. This is like one of the first times I've ever worn a tank top in my life.

Oh, wow. So a lot of first on this thing.

Yeah, what am I doing? wearing a tank top? And, as you can see, this is me kind of jumping up and down, not really knowing what to do up there, when I don't know the words. Oh, yeah.

I think you look cute in your tank top. could have definitely dated Taylor Swift with this look.

Yeah. See, look at that.

You could have been one of her jokes. Yeah, one of her jokes.

Bummer.

All in all, though, Jo, this story is a win for you.

No, it is kind of a win. So after this all happened, the band was like come by our merch table. We just want to chat with you and say hey. So I came back and they were like, dude, fuck that security guard. That was insane.

Yeah, probably didn't help it after you had your head trauma, that you were jumping around and stuff.

Not ideal.

That couldn't have helped.

No, you don't want to bounce that brain around much.

It was already loose.

Swollen.

We're not doing great. So kind of all losses there, but hey, look at me now. I'm okay. I'm doing great, still going to shows, but now I'm kind of like the washed-up punk who sits up in the the rafters watching from afar.

Oh, that's wonderful. That really brings me back. I'm going to say one more thing, Monica. Okay. Well, do you have the tolerance for one more thing?

I think so.

Okay, most of the boys in this scene were very scared at high school and the thing that they were threatened by was violence, and that's what the jocks had over all these kids. So we have all these misfits. they come together. They're so afraid of violence and being hurt and they figure out a way to be brave within a group of people that they can trust. I think it's really cathartic, because you're at high school and you're just living in this veil of fear that you're going to get your ass kicked by all these Moncho assholes and you go there and it's a place you can confront that safely.

was like absolutely very similar experience for me. It's a great place to grow up and I feel like it gave me a lot of compassion. as crazy as that sounds. I know Monica is probably like wait, what all the friends that I used to go to those shows with? I'm still very much friends with now.

Oh, welcome, probably within the last year or so.

My wife got me hooked on to you guys. She has been a day one, er. So I was hoping, if you guys don't mind, if I could kind of call her in here. We love you either.

Yes, bring her in awesome.

This is Keely's. I didn't know if this would be coming, but this is our baby. I guess technically she is day one. er. Look at her.

She's so cute.

Her cheeks.

This is not real.

This is not real.

Hi.

You guys. Oh, my goodness. Welcome to our blanket fort.

Oh, we love it in here.

You built a beautiful fort. Thank you.

This is my lunch break. This is our Fitzy.

Oh, my gosh.

She's cute. She's so cute.

Thank you very much. Now, no one's gonna like what I have to say.

Okay.

But it's my turn. Okay. When you look at this most beautiful, cutest thing in the whole world. Do you want her in a wall of humans, running towards a wall of other humans? And I mean that sincerely.

And I can say sincerely, if it gives her a sense of belonging and community. Yeah, it's so worth it.

Exactly it. What about mom?

What does mom say about that?

I got my first concussion at seven, riding horses and rode horses my whole life. It's just gonna happen.

Whatever you love is gonna hurt you. That's how it works.

Wow.

Monica fucking was flying high in the air. She could have had the worst concussion of all of us.

It's true. High flyers.

Strangers catching you by the pussy.

I'm not letting that baby run in front of me.

Do you want this little baby to be caught by the pussy? Yeah. No, that's what you should be afraid of.

We made that joke when, the first couple days holding her, I was like.

Well, it's so nice to meet all three of you.

Yes. Thank you guys so much.

It's amazing to meet you. You guys mean so much to me. I lost my dad in 2017..

Oh, I'm sorry, love.

Thank you. There's a big communication gap in my drives home and just wanting to talk to him and you guys really filled that.

Oh, that's so special.

Thank you.

So nice to meet you. And can you believe someone would bonk this beautiful sweet boy in the head?

Yeah, if I was a Christian youth counselor, I would drop him like a bad habit. for sure. I mean, he's the opposition.

It's true that the most violent person there was the Christian whatever.

He didn't understand the rules. It's very hard to understand.

He wanted to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very subtle rules there. Well, great meeting you guys. Truly. Thanks for telling us that story, Jo. And good luck in everything in the new year.

Awesome. Thank you.

Bye. Thank you so much. Bye, guys. Oh, I want that baby. Me too.

I want that baby.

Bring that baby over.

You would not let that little baby run into a bunch of others.

Not a little baby.

Yeah.

But when she's 17..

Your little baby is always your little baby.

Right, but if Lincoln has a mohawk and runs into a wall dead at 17,, you know I'll be fucking cheering. You will? Absolutely. What if she gets concussions? That's not good.

You need to watch this.

Why is the thing that you did that gives concussions? Okay.

Okay, because I only did it for a couple years. This is what we're learning about CTE.

Yeah.

For real. It's the amount of time and not the severity of the one.

I'm only saying, if we did a comparison study between punk showgoers and high flyers, the rate of concussions would be much higher in the high flyers.

Well, you're mosh pitting them for like two years, three years.

You earned your stripes and then you hang on the outside.

Yeah, it's all for young kids. Okay, if you can max out at two years, I still don't know.

But you do see that they're both activities that could give you a concussion. Yeah, but one- You cared about one and we cared about another.

No, but one, the purpose is injury. What else is the-. What do you mean? Running into somebody else?

Do you know- What is a trust fall?

I know what a trust fall is.

Yeah, think of a trust fall. Is that to almost let someone die? No, it's to trust another person. You put your safety in another person's hands. You fall back knowing they're going to catch you.

I'm not talking about moshing. Oh, okay. Even though I don't like that either.

I know you don't like that.

But not as much. That's fine, I guess. But the wall of death, which the purpose is to collide.

The start of the mosh pit.

Yeah, it's probably-.

The only purpose is to have some injury by the end.

Well, I think the bigger point is no one's there that doesn't want to be there. And everyone that does it enjoys it and is happy they did it. But I don't like- So there's no victims.

Okay, but if there's like a group of-.

I think it just scares you. The whole notion of like all these boys in this pit slamming into each other is just scary.

No, it's not scary. I think it's community derail. It's a group of people in search of something central, which I love. But not when the thing at the base of it is pain and injury.

Well, I think it's rare, though.

The base of it's the music too. You're doing it along to the music.

It's like expressing how the music makes you feel collectively. Yeah. At first glance, it's one thing. But I think if you're an anthropologist and you really looked at it, you'd go, Oh, it's kind of a beautiful thing. No one's hurting each other.