Billie Eilish and FINNEAS

My name is Billie Eilish and I feel really excited about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Hi, my name is Phineas and I feel dubious about being Conan O'Brien's friend.

Okay, Phineas, we've run out of time for you.

Uh, well.

Professional pills, pure testosterone. What? They're trying to get me into a lower register, oh.

Same-sies oh oh, oh oh.

No, I don't say ditto. No, no, I don't do you. I've never heard you say ditto.

This episode or this podcast in general?

The whole podcast, I just think it's an important part of American history.

Oh boy, you couldn't even finish the sentence.

I couldn't do it, I tried, no. I'm excited about this episode because today is a conversation with Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas. I love their work, I really do.

Well, I wouldn't know, because I was relegated back in the nosebleed seats there in the shadows, so you guys could have.

And your mic was turned down in our earphones, I can barely hear you.

That was Conan's request.

Also, that's my normal seat, you're describing, where I usually sit. Rise up, Blair.

Rise up Yeah, I don't think it's right either.

Well, here's what happened. Because there's two main chairs and two microphones, usually, if there's one guest, the guest sits there and then you sit in your seat. But because it was Billie Eilish and Finneas, there was no choice but to place you in a Ralph's supermarket several blocks away.

I'm seeing another mic stand right here, I know we've got extra mics, I'm just wondering.

We couldn't have you creeping up in between Billie Eilish and Finneas sandwiched in between them.

Absolutely.

And if not sandwiched in the same chair, at least.

Okay, no, creepo.

And I'll take either of them.

Absolutely not, you wouldn't have had room. She got really comfortable at one part, and then as she was getting comfortable, I was too. This is what I was going to say about Billie Eilish's star power.

And I was sitting on a milk bucket in the shadows.

I think that if I did what she did, I would be cool, like her. I think that's what I was doing. The reason that she's Billie Eilish is that she's not thinking about any of it, she just is well, also, she's 21 and I'm 40..

Yeah.

They're very Californian, I don't know about you, but I wanted to be like, Hey man, I'm from California too, bro.

Hey dude, hey dude, I was going to be like you. So did I get it?

That's why you were on the milk bucket.

What, I understand that I think you should have gone a bit farther.

Yeah, maybe the other way. Hello dudes, I live in Pasadena and I am most doodler as well.

Why, my dudes?

What's spanking?

What's spanking my chilly willies? Hey guys cool, want to come to the Rose Bowl swap? meet with me? And we could find some bakelite tea mugs.

Hey, I'm going up to Fuckman's leap to have some cordials later. Want to come what?

What was that?

You lost me completely, I don't know what you're talking about, everybody got lost with that.

Well, it'll come out.

No, please leave it.

Yeah, I think you had a stroke. What's Fuckman's leap? I don't know, it just came out. Wait, so you don't even that's not even a real thing.

I don't know what it is.

Who improvises Fuckman's leap? That's insane, that is not coming out, that is a pure moment of insanity.

It's come out of my mouth before, but I don't know what it is, fuckman.

Hey dudes, we were on a riff about you being square in front of Billie Eilish, and then your attempt to be a quote square guy is to say. We're all going up to Fuckman's Leap, which, for the record, is the coolest sounding place I've ever heard in my life, and boom, that shows that I've got it. I want to die. On Fuckman's Leap Conan O'Brien committed suicide today. He jumped off Fuckman's Leap.

This is the problem. We're doing a whole day of segment and intro recordings and there's no celebrity in here today. I mean, no offense, and it just feels too like, groovy, you know, we're too jazzy right now.

I'm too comfortable, I love it. I think it's great if it brought us Fuckman's Leap, I say more of this, too jazzy and groovy.

You're so with it.

Let's get to it because this was an exciting one. My guests today are Grammy award-winning singer-songwriters. they have won, like between them, I think, 155 Grammys. It's ridiculous. And they have taken the music industry by storm with their albums. When we fall asleep, where do we go? And happier than ever.

Thanks for having us, yeah.

And I'll tell you, my story with you guys was, as you can tell, I'm a very old man, fought in the civil war on the good side.

Was that the one in 2019 or was this last year?

No, this was last year, this was last April. Yeah, I love that. Why?

Because the 2019 one was horrible.

It wasn't horrible.

It was bad.

Phineas tell her it wasn't bad.

It was terrible, it was not. Phineas thought so, too.

Well, the fable of Coachella, and it was true this year, it's true every year for everyone, is just that it's a technical clusterfuck. So we had this show that everyone in your life, I don't know what the equivalents are, necessarily outside of music. But Coachella is the thing that everybody puts all weight and stock in your entire career on.

Yes.

And they're like, better be perfect. And invariably it's a disaster and everybody's is, so I don't know why they act like yours won't be so. The first time we were on-.

I remember you because I saw the documentary. You guys had, I guess, a technical glitch.

Oh my god.

The screen went out, yeah, but you just roll with it and you fell at one point.

I sure did.

Which proves one of the things I learned in comedy a long time ago, which is mistakes are great. It's true. I hope you didn't get hurt.

No, no, no, it's true.

Oh so, you fell weekend two, yeah.

I fell weekend two, yeah.

That was our favorite if you were at weekend two-.

If you were at weekend two, I love that.

Two thumbs up.

I don't know if you remember I got on stage. Remember I had glow sticks and I was doing like a robot thing, and then you guys called security and I was beaten.

Vaguely.

How could that be? Vaguely, I did not jump on stage, but it was amazing to not just watch your performance, but watch all these huge stars around the, you know, close to the stage. You know, like Harry Styles, is there watching.

So cool.

Yeah, it's very cool, and it's, I mean, you guys have had such a journey in such a short time. This is something I've had in my life, which I always had a hard time processing. When I got to meet people I idolized when I was a kid. And then suddenly they're sitting next to me and they're on my show. What I do is I can't take it in in the moment.

No way, I mean, it's you can't. I mean, I've been saying this for like, a long time. Even about fans and love, you can't actually process love like that from people, specifically fans. And people in the world that you don't actually know that don't know you actually intimately.

Here's what I found is that when I revere somebody, when I love somebody and I'm looking up at them, it makes sense. Anybody tries to pay me, in any kind of way, a similar compliment. I know, I think, What is this bullshit, you know?

Honestly, tell me if you have the same thing. I almost lose respect a little bit for them because I'm like, and specifically if they're like, Oh, I love your song, Blank, and I'm like, that's not a very good song.

I really, I experience this a lot in my life.

People I'm like, their opinion is so important to me and they're so I just think they're really smart and talented and look up to them. And then they say, I loved this blank thing you did, and I just am like, Ooh, I don't know about you now.

Can you let us know which songs we should compliment you on?

That's actually good. I should, I should write them down.

You should have your team send ahead. These are the things she's proud of, and here are the songs not to mention.

I think, to be fair, that we have a larger, maybe not than anyone. But we make our music with so little input from other people that we like a higher percentage of it than a lot of people. I know the amount of artists that I talk to and go, what's the process of that?

I would say, we're not like that, we're really not like that. Yeah, I feel like I've watched some people's interviews and they talk about their albums and they're like, Oh, I can't even stand, I can't even listen to myself. And that's very much not how we are.

We listen to our music a lot.

I just think about me at 14 and some stupid music video I made and somebody complimenting that.

It's mostly things I've said in interviews.

Yeah, mostly.

We're going to try and get a couple of those too.

Yeah, I'm sure you will.

I'm never going to play them on a loop, get them out there. I watched your process, The world's a little blurry. I really love that documentary because it's about the process.

I know.

Bickering, you, prodding, having arguments, you know, arguing with your mom in the kitchen, and man, are you intimidating? I know Billy, when you're mad, I have, you know, a teenage daughter. I get terrified. So when I'm watching the documentary, it's as scary to me as any horror movie.

I know 16-year-old me is a scary thought, it's a scary sight to see. I mean, I think about myself and think about the people that I used to have to make them be put through. Being around me at that age. And I feel very I can't.

What about you? I mean, Phineas, you seem, and this is again, this is just from the documentary and performances. You seem like someone who doesn't lose his shit, but do you sometimes? Oh yeah.

Phineas is an incredible actor. I didn't know.

Incredible, genuinely. Are we talking about backstage? Are you kicking stuff? are you smashing things?

Do we tell stories?

Yeah, I think that's what we're here to do.

I was as a little kid, as like a five-year-old, six-year-old. I'm told that I was very explosive, and I have an infinite supply of rage.

That is all I have.

But I don't, yeah, but I don't. yeah, I don't know, I don't feel like, I'm like, I don't scream at anybody.

True or false? Yeah, I would agree, No, I would agree, I would agree.

My team will disagree. I have no anger issues. Are you an asshole? You're a total asshole, you know what I am?

No, are you an asshole?

I don't think I'm an well, you guys can back me up. I am not an asshole. I don't think everyone whose mortgage is paid by you, I know.

Now, remember before you answer.

Your checks don't come out till Monday.

I saw a full panel of people.

No, you're not an asshole. Can we meet you behind a building later and tell you what we feel? I think I've worked for him longer than anybody and I will say he's not an asshole, but he has made an art form of being passive aggressive. Because the way I grew up, the way I relate to Phineas, because I have a lot of anger. I have a temper, and I used to really get angry when I had a bad temper when I was a kid. And what I did is I learned I grew up in a family very unlike yours, where we weren't supposed to express negative things, Catholic we're not supposed to express. And no one was around saying, Well, how do you feel about what just happened?

Internal you have to have.

I think that's one of the things that has been.

I think you have to be a little tortured, that's what I think.

Yeah, there's some great quote, and I'm misquoting it. But it was like, a lot of the world's great work has been done by people who didn't feel quite well, it's true.

I think the caveat there is that it's this slog and it's this challenge, and then sometimes it's effortless for two hours. Yes, yes, we had that yesterday. We've been slogging through writing for months, and yesterday we had a couple hours where the faucet was on. It was really easy, but mostly it's not.

I feel bad that I interrupted your great creative flow and you had to come here and do the podcast.

That was yesterday.

What if it was going really great and they said, you've got to do that? Conan podcast?

We'd do it.

Thank you, thank you very much. Well, they have to say that now they're here, then their fans would be like, what did we miss out on?

We've done all of them.

You've done all of them. Pretty much. Yeah, Sony, you were with me when I did Bonnaroo.

Oh, because they make-.

Years ago, and it was what the hell it was like. Trench warfare, it's all mud. It takes place in the summer in Tennessee. You're in a tent.

I was working.

I would send you out for an iced coffee and you'd come back with, like a goose, here you go.

Oh, it's not an iced coffee.

Yeah, it was Bonnaroo. Yeah, it was a good time.

It's weirdly, in a way underwhelming when there's more people, right? Okay? So, like, I played my first stadiums over the summer, you know, I was playing markets that I hadn't played before, so I hadn't been there so I could. A lot of people wanted to go and I didn't want to do. You know, five shows in an arena, so might as well do a stadium or two stadiums or whatever. So I did a couple stadiums over the summer and that was really exciting because I was like, Ooh, I want to be in a stadium.

I know, but it's what people do.

But we were talking about it because she's-.

I didn't see you there, that's weird.

You know the name drop thing, where people say the first name of the person and then they say the last name. Like I was on Conan O'Brien, you know what I'm talking about, the name drop. You can't do that with Adele.

No, you can't. I was with Adele, Adele is just Adele. But anyway, we were talking about it because she's doing this Vegas residency and she's just, you know, not to out her. But she said, she's having the fucking time of her life and she's like, I love that.

I don't know, she might not want that to be known, I don't know.

Mm-hmm. I've been drowning in a pool of that recently, just like, What am I, where do I, how do I evolve and what do I do? And you know, I've just, I feel like for the last month, I've been completely drowning. I feel like, because, dude, I mean, I achieved the kind of things before I even was 18. That are, you know, things that people work their entire lives for and maybe never even get.

I was really happy that your parents came. They're-.

They are outside.

Yeah, they're outside, I wouldn't let them in. Your father got in here twice and I had him taken out and I had someone shave his beard. Why?

It's really fun.

I love having our parents out. Yeah, yeah. There was a moment over the summer where I was having like, a I need to be an adult moment. And like, I need to have space. And I need to have my own this and my own that. And I need to go on tour alone, and I need to do this and this and this alone, I want to be independent.

Well, Billy moved away.

I did move away.

And I think, when you don't live with your folks anymore, you're, yeah.

It's nicer to it, makes you more grateful to do everything with them. So I'm like, now I just like, I, you know, when I have a free night, I like, go and hang out with my parents. That's the first thing I think of doing.

What is the pattern? I mean, I've seen it with my daughter, which is she was, you know, very smart, independent, cool, artistic. And then I could tell we were getting on her nerves. And then she went off to college and she'd come back from college. And she would ask us to do things that we know, for a fact she can do on her own, she'd be like, Could you pour me a glass of milk?

Wait, this girl's drinking just regular milk.

No, no, no, she has a flask of scotch that she has on her, that she pours into the milk. Okay, that's how we do it in our house, makes it even weirder.

Yeah, this is whole, we're talking a whole milk, two percent. This is not even like in L.A. Aren't you? Aren't you? Isn't she a Nepo baby? Isn't she on oat milk or almond milk or pistachio milk?

Yeah, yeah, two percent, no. I live in the Palisades and I'm a celebrity, so I found a special nine percent milk. It's got huge chunks of fat floating in it.

No, no one drinks the one percent milk.

There you go, got it? No, I drink the one percent of the one percent milk. Only Adele gets that.

Sorry guys, go back to the sweet thing about your daughter. Yeah, think about it.

But no, I think that's normal.

It's normal to, you know, that, to me, is almost defining not just your relationship with your parents, but the relationship you have with each other is. It's a push me pull you right. There's that mythical Dr. Dolittle beast of I don't want to fucking write a song. We got to write a song.

Right?

It's very true. Yeah, it's true.

Billy is the most comfortable I've ever seen anyone in a podcast. It makes me want to get more comfortable. Can I do it? Okay? Thank you.

Well, I've been thinking about doing it this whole time. And then I was like, but the mic doesn't move and it does.

No, the mic has so many joints.

The mic has a lot of joints.

Take it easy, Sona.

I might fall asleep. Oh, you will, okay, all right. I was once doing an interview with a very important journalist, and Sona was next to me in a restaurant, and you fell asleep in front of the journalist. Yes, I did.

How dare you do that in front of Matt Lauer?

Shut out to Matt Lauer, wherever you are.

No, we don't need to shut up. He's on that island in the Hamptons, right? It's just his house.

I had a call with Robert Rodriguez, who is incredibly talented and incredible and legend, and I fell asleep on that call. It's on Zoom, too, and then I drooled on my bedsheets.

Was this pre or post you having Covid?

This was post me having Covid.

Yeah, Billie had Covid, Once she had Covid, she got very lethargic. I got fucked up, super lethargy since Covid.

Never napped in my life before Covid, and now naps all the time. Now I be napping. That's her Covid story. But I was doing a zoom.

He's pitching you.

He's a big deal. He was pitching me because we were going to shoot this movie for....

Oh, like, you even remember what he said?

Is it the one you did, or is it a different one?

No, it was the Hollywood Bowl, we did this Hollywood Bowl film of the album, whatever. And he was pitching me the ideas and I was like, I was fully. I had my phone propped up and I was laying on my pillow. It wasn't like I was sitting, you know? And I accidentally fell asleep. I was like, fully on my blanket, on my pillow, like this, watching, fell asleep, woke up, drool all over my pillow.

Did he know? Oh, yeah.

He was talking to me.

Yeah, but sometimes in our industry, people are so into their pitch, they don't notice that you've fallen asleep, you know? I wish he was like, I just had the greatest meeting. Billie Eilish.

She didn't say anything.

No, she was so awed by my idea.

Yeah, jaw dropping.

And at the end, when I said, Are you going to do it? She went. As of us, she was salivating for it. Yes, she was salivating, she was so happy.

He looks like a guy whose face could fall off. It does.

My face is barely hanging on phineas.

That's what they're saying. Phineas Yeah.

You know, it's comedy.

It's okay.

I like some of the stuff on YouTube.

It kind of has a face that looks like it might fall off. Is it actually a mask?

It looks like the staples are giving way.

And that would invariably make your face fall off. Yeah, I know what moment he's talking about.

He's talking about when you're hitting the belt, which was interesting to think about and to rewatch that scene. Because I remember, at that point in my life, my voice was maturing in a way I had never experienced before. And I was able to sing in a lot of ways that I hadn't ever before, and more like, I was able to open the door to singing like that, it was more like, I didn't know if I could, but I was trying to and I hadn't.

It's a vulnerable moment and I completely understand everything behind it. I understand 1,000 what you're talking about. And then at the same time, I think the internet, I mean, your generation has only grown up with it. We don't know what it does yet, but I can tell you this checking it out is not going to help the creative process.

No, I know, I know, I don't look at it anymore. I've deleted it all off my phone, which is such a huge deal for me. Because, dude, you didn't have the internet to grow up with, right? For me, it was a big part of, and not my childhood.

I'm like, Eww, stinky.

I don't like that and it's like, about, you know how I'm a like? A video came up, I was with my boyfriend the other day and we were sitting there. And this video came up. And it was like, it was like, Billie Eilish is a horrible person.

Jesus.

And then it was like a very serious video of why? And the person seemed like, very, you know, like in the right headspace. And they were saying all these things, and I was like,—.

They were convincing you.

Honestly, and I was like, Jeez, wow.

These are good points. It's just funny, I'm just like, wow.

It's just such a crazy reality that I live in. I'm like, That's my face. Oh, that's my face, Oh, that's my name. Oh, that's me.

That's why I never go to the gym.

That's why. But they probably thought you were going today, Yeah, they're like, he's going to the gym.

And the times I have gone to the gym, they do say Conan's working on his new album, but no, but I totally—you get to see firsthand both of you how skewed that reality is. Here's the thing about the internet, it's anonymous and they don't think you're seeing it.

Right, that's the problem.

And it's also because you're so freaking popular, it is kind of like a nice, provocative thing to do. The point is, if magically I could bring that person in here right now, that is not how they would talk to you.

Well, also, if they just took the time to have a conversation with me, we'd get along, of course you would. That's the part that freaks me out so much.

And I think a lot of the people, a lot of trolls, or a lot of people that are sort of lighting fires on the internet. I always think, if you could go to their house and just ring the bell and they answered, and you have it and talk to them. They'd say, Oh yeah, would you want to come in? Would you like?—?I have tea. If you want tea. Oh that, yeah, I mean, anyway, it's so nice to meet you.

No, of course not.

And I don't even think they really would believe it.

Well, I think that that's just the proof of, like that, we don't seem like people, and I know that's like the most common thing anybody says, but it's really the truth. Like, I am not viewed as just a person at all to those people. And they think that why would I be looking at the internet, and also if I was, why would it affect me?

And Porto was brave.

Me and Phineas had a good laugh over that, I'm sorry, and there were all these—.

It's so extreme.

But it's also just it's not subtle at all. Yeah, yeah, it's not even a joke, it's not even like a play on words or anything.

It's not even clever.

A There's no remote truth to it. b. It's not something that someone crafted. Yeah, I mean,—.

Well, but I was going to say, though, that the person who started it and was kind of the one instigating all of it. And it was this person that was making these edits of me, where I looked—Do you remember those edits where I looked really?—?

They were like drawings, right?

They were drawings of me just to make me look really bad, and it was horribly mean. Shit, like mean. And I remember these tweets and everything, it was like hundreds of thousands of likes and responses and whatever.

No, it was like as if she's going to see this, as if.

She's never going to see any of this stuff.

She lives in a castle made of grammys hundred percent that goes thousands of feet into the air.

I just don't know what they think we're doing, I don't know.

It would be so funny if you won another Grammy and you were like, only 20 to go. So, like, build the final room.

Beyonce probably could.

Challenger.

Oh, it's the challenger. I love those cars.

Yeah, they're nice.

Matt Black.

They're nice.

And then we're talking just before we started this recording, and I find out that your dad trashed it, he did.

He did.

He's going to be so mad because he, very well, I mean, it wasn't his fault, it was not his fault, or so he says. Correct, we were in New York.

I was hosting SNL two Decembers ago. After we came back, I'd been home for days and my dad sits me down and he goes. So I didn't want to tell you this when you were in New York because I just didn't want to bum you out. But when you guys were gone, I was home alone and I wanted to go to this show. And I used your car and I didn't ask you because you were busy. I didn't want to bother you, but I just thought it would be fine. So I just used your car and I drove it to go see the show. Because I was late and I didn't have my keys and something, something. And he was going through a light and a car was turning left and smashed into my car. And got a nice classic, good old dent.

Do you know what I love about this? It's total role reversal. I know, because you're away at work, I got to go out of town to go to work.

I crashed it.

Your dad is like, Well, you were gone at work.

I used your car.

Where were you going to a rock and roll show?

It's true.

I told you not to go to those. It's totally true. I also had a party in the house.

But all the other little dings on the car? That's the first car I ever had, and I pretty much learned to drive in that car. And also having that nice car. With my parents and my brother's tiny little houses and tiny little driveways, and learning to park in a driveway, I bonked and clonked into lots of walls.

Yeah.

When I was 16, you know, learning to do it.

You don't have to answer this question if you don't want. Do you have some car that you drive seldom? That's hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Do you want to answer that? For me? No, he does not. You don't have any cool cars. Famously, for at least half of my career, I drove a 1992 Ford Taurus. He still has it.

Yes, I love it.

One of my great achievements was tricking Brad Pitt. he was on the show and I tricked him into shooting a segment where he drove it. And he's, of course, amazing at everything. So we got in it and peeled out and burned the clutch, and I refused to get it fixed because I was like, that clutch was burned by Brad Pitt.

That's sick.

And then, yeah, I have a Toyota Tacoma downstairs.

I like this answer because, to me, a friend of mine, Anton, one time said. We were talking about fancy cars and he was like, I'm rough on my cars. And I remember thinking like, Yeah, me too, you know what I mean? And I eat food in them and shit. I feel like the kind of person. It's like sneakerheads who have spotless white sneakers.

Yeah, I kind of agree.

I'm like, Where are you not walking? you know what I mean?

Well, it can get that way too with gear like guitars. I have a lot of guitars.

Our dad did, like, handyman work a lot our childhood to pay the bills, and one of the guys that he was a handyman for was a concert violinist. And the guy played a Stradivarius violin. And my dad talked to him one day when he was like, literally fixing the guy's shelf or whatever. And he was like, So the Strad is the one you play?

You have to play it, yeah.

Which, I think, as a philosophy, is like the way that you should be with everything in life.

You don't need to preserve stuff, you should use it and like, get joy out of stuff.

Is there an indulgence that you've you guys have, like, dabbled in that you're like, okay? We've had all this success, we've worked really hard. I'm getting myself a falcon, you know?

The bird Yeah, yeah, caw, caw.

Phineas, What's up? It's my falcon. I've worked hard.

Well, Phineas reverted into old rich white guy mode and built a pickleball court.

I do a pickleball court. Yeah, wow, that's a super. That's, yeah, that hasn't made any of my music better.

Sure, hasn't. And you had robots built that you can play with.

But no, I feel like we don't, we haven't really. There hasn't been like a big, you know, purchase. I feel like, right, I'm about to get a new car, actually.

You know what, I have a feeling they're gonna send it to you for free now.

Yeah, I have a feeling they're not.

Trust me, I'm constantly mentioning, who do you think she is? Will Arnett?

They're gonna send it to her for free.

Wait, why would they send him free cars? He does the voiceover for all the commercials.

Oh, for what?

GMC trucks. Is that what he does?

I mean, he's got that perfect Bojack voice.

Yeah, he does one line and then Bateman does another line, they both do a line of cars.

But also it's so funny because he's changing his voice too, I know, and so when I hear Will doing those commercials, he's like, it accelerates, you know, it goes 1 to 40, and I'm thinking, that's not quite how will talks?

I wish I had Will's voice.

Imagine how cool that would be. Yeah, that's what you should do.

I just pulled up and that's how I spoke.

If only you had a different voice, Billie Eilish.

But then I sang, Like me.

But what if I talk like him and I sang like me, that would be great?

That's so funny.

That would be great if you sang, you did a whole concert as you and then it was over and you're like, What did you guys think?

Bless Phoebe Bridger's heart that that's kind of how she rolls.

She does have a very cool speaking voice, she does.

I get it, we're in the same boat. My voice is Will Arnett.

No real indulgences. I have a couple expensive guitars. I was buying the cheapest guitars I could as a kid.

Yeah, what's the guitar that you have? That's the first one that you get in the fire.

I have a Martin from like the 40s.

Come on, what about your little Coco guitar?

Well, that might be the one I get first. We were on tour in 2019 in the summer. It was like June 2019 and Billie's album had come out and it was doing great. It was like the first time I went to a guitar store with any funds ever in my life.

And he's like, No idiot.

How about insurance?

You're just supposed to break it.

But then we, like, immediately wrote Happier than ever and then recorded it with that guitar, and so till then.

Oh, that's the guitar.

Well, I was going to say that since then to my what would you call it? I don't know, to my annoyance.

Oh, everyone thinks it's a ukulele.

Everyone thinks it's a ukulele because it's a baby, it's a little sweet, tiny guitar.

Is it a six string, then?

Yeah, it's a regular ass guitar.

It just does sound teeny like a ukulele.

But so we do a lot of things where they're, like, the ukulele on Happier Than Ever is amazing, and it really bothers me. That's all I love that.

I really love that.

But it's a really easy. It's a kid's guitar, so it's so easy to play. Yeah, it's really nice. Your point about guitars have to be played.

Oh, yeah, I mean, it's made for a kid, literally, it's like what you would get for a kid if they wanted to learn how to play.

My favorite guitar move of all time is there's this famous shot of the Ramones on their way to a gig in Like 76.

In shopping bags.

Like, just paper shopping bags, and it's just like, No, we got our jeans on, we got our leather jacket, so cool.

How big are the bags?

They're just a normal grocery bag, so the guitar is sticking two thirds of the way.

Right, right, right. So then they just have the wrap around it.

They just are kind of using it, like, I don't know, put it in that fucking bag, let's go.

Come on.

Dee, Dee, where's Dee, Dee? let's go, I think that's.

CONan, How loud can you shout? You haven't even heard it? That's why I'm asking. I would like it if you stood in the corner and just shouted as loud as you could. Oh, no.

Oh, really.

All right, fuck it.

Take your headphones off.

I want to hear those pipes come on, ah.

Oh.

This is one of the weirdest moments of my life.

It is weird, you know what? I'll tell you something else.

It's so good.

And I'm like, I don't know. It's the thing I do at the end of a song. Yeah, and you know what, I'm happy to come and put that at the end of any song that you guys write.

We're definitely going to have you do that.

On the next record, yeah.

That was the most, that was the politest. Fuck you.

That was the actor.

I couldn't even look you in the eye when I said it.

Sha Ba Ha ha, look at that. That's a note that no one's ever hit before, right? Sona? They shouldn't.

There's no way we're done. What, yeah?

No way.

You're part of a huge machine. I was told I'd be murdered if you guys weren't out of here.

I don't even I don't actually have a hard out, do you?

No.

Ruh roh.

Who's lying?

Well, I have to be somewhere at six, but that's in like two hours, isn't it?

Actually, I have a hard out, so.

Matt.

Well, Matt, I want to bring this up because Matt Gourley is a James Bond fanatic, and I am as well simplified. And you know what's amazing, so much happened for you guys. And then it's like, Oh man, come on, let's go, we got to get to work on this James Bond theme.

It's incredible.

What are you talking about?

It's incredible and then it's great.

It's really good.

I want to know when you were in that luxury skybox with Adele, were you two just kind of like, Oh, a couple of bond?

Oh, I literally didn't think of it until just now, really.

Didn't even think about it. Oh my god, yeah.

Wow, interesting.

Which is crazy, too.

Which is funny because Skyfall, yeah, Skyfall is-.

We think it's so awesome.

Is like, my favorite Bond song. Yeah, well, one of my favorites, but there's so many good ones, there's so many good ones. But no, I didn't even think of it.

That's so funny.

But she was, like, part of why that was so exciting for me again, because I was young, you know, Bond wasn't like the way that it was for people in the generation.

You're the youngest bond performer ever, right?

Yeah, and so for me, when we were offered the idea to try, we weren't offered the gig, we were offered to try to get the gig.

Which is the deal I think everyone gets.

Which was an audition.

Pretty much yeah for Bond, I mean, because what if it sucks? You know what I'm saying?

But could you imagine Paul McCartney submitting live or Let die? And they're like, Yeah, I don't think so. yeah, I know it's true.

That happened with Radiohead, they'd probably be like.

This should be live and let die, I know.

Live or let die, that's more appropriate for Bond, though.

I was going to say.

I was going to say, but what if it was?

And.

He said, What is it?

He doesn't even know he said it wrong.

I don't think I did. I still can't hear myself because of my screen. What did I say? You said live or let die? didn't you? I think it should be live or let die.

Live or let die.

I also, he says, it's chromatically incorrect. Also when you were young and your heart was....

My God, what are you talking about?

Oh, in which we live, in the world in which we live in, I don't think that's chromatically correct, the world in which we live. You can't end on a preposition.

I just watched spit fly out of your mouth when you said that.

He gets really fired up about prepositions. Sorry guys, I don't know what happened to me.

Bond was cool, though.

Yeah, but I was going to say that I was pretty young. And so the thing that was honestly a big part of what was interesting to me about Bond was skyfall. To be honest, right? Yeah, that movie specifically, that was the first movie and song of Bond that I heard about Bond. Sorry to say it, no, that's fair.

Those animatics.

For years, I was like, this would be the coolest thing to get to do. We used to sit around and write potential fake bond themes.

So did you go to that well at all when you had to sit down and write this, or you just started completely from scratch? We looked through it.

And they were all bad.

We were like.

Yeah, let's look at our old ideas. It's so true.

It's so true, it's so true.

James Bond, James Bond River Left Town. Bond, bond, bond, bond, bond, bond, bond. Yeah, I don't think that one either.